The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Washington Redskins Employee Misconduct, Dak Prescott Signs Franchise Tag, Will Hobson, John Middlekauff and Ryan Russillo

Episode Date: July 17, 2020

On today's episode of The Herd, Doug Gottlieb is filling in for Colin Cowherd. Doug gives his take on on the alleged misconduct by the Washington Redskins organization and former employees. Doug is then joined by Washington Post writer, Will Hobson to get further insight on the debacle that seems to be circling around the team in Washington. Ryen Russillo joins the show to give his thoughts on Dak Prescott and the signing of his Franchise Tag, and what that means for him and the Cowboys moving forward. John Middlekauff also joins and Gottlieb gives a "Best For Last" for the ages! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be in, however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in for Colin Cowherd on a Friday. Will Hobson's going to join us in 15 minutes. No, not the former baseball player, Will Hobson. Will Hobson is one of the reporters from the Washington Post. the story that dropped yesterday in the afternoon.

And we were all kind of waiting for. Would it be the story, which ultimately led to Dan Snyder selling the Washington, formerly known as Redskins? Ryan Rusillo is going to join us in one hour. My man, John Middilkoff, Three Now Podcast, will join us in two hours. So we got a great show for you. I have my thoughts on Alex Rodriguez. Did he say salary?

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Let me get to this. The story dropped yesterday. Apparently the Washington Redskins, 15 former employees, 14 who are anonymous, one one young woman who chose to put her name out there said, look, it's terrible culture, a lot of sexual harassment, degrading behavior. And it's the type of stuff that while there didn't appear to be Me Too, mindful, Me Too, like, you know, quid pro quo. It was just, sophomoric is understating what a bad look it is.

for men in the workplace. It just is, right? Between comments being made and degrading behavior and comments about what women are wearing, it's, I would love to say this is from 20 years ago, but 20 years ago it wasn't really acceptable. Dan Snyder, the owner of the Washington Redskins, released this statement earlier today. The described behavior in yesterday's Washington Post article has no place in our franchise or society. The story has strengthened my commitment to setting the new culture and standard for our team, a process that began with the hiring of Coach Rivera earlier this year. Beth Wilkinson and her firm are empowered to do a full and unbiased investigation and to make any and all requisite recommendations. Upon completion of her work, we will institute new policies and procedures

and strengthen our human resources infrastructure to not only avoid these issues in the future, but most importantly create a team culture that is respectful and inclusive to all. It's Dan Snyder, who's the owner, majority owner, of the Washington football team formerly known as the Redskins. So look, they're going through a complete makeover. And with the exception of one of the men, a guy named Dennis Green who was accused of sexual harassment, with the exception of Dan Snyder, apparently, again, I can only go by what's written in the article, ordering, you know, berating some of these executives, although no specifics in terms of the berating was given,

with this as an exception, Dennis Green apparently was a college cheerleader, and so in front of other people, he told Dennis Green to do cartwheels when Dan Snyder was upset. So, but again, this isn't, this isn't, there isn't the, the depth, and of negativity in regards to racism like we saw with the L.A. Clippers.

And for people in the NFL who want to compare it to the Carolina Panthers, who ironically used to employ Ron Rivera, their former owner was directly accused of making inappropriate remarks of the sexual nature. So there's a difference there. And look, are there a lot of different things that tick people off about Dan Snyder? Yeah. Yeah. His business partners with the Redskins have already said we want out. He stuck his heels in the dirt and said we're never, bold face, you can put it in all caps.

We're never going to change the team's nickname. That, of course, has changed. Or will change. He famously charged people to watch at training camp wars previously. It was free. Like there's lots of things that he has done, and he's run the risk of losing sponsors. because of many of these details. But it doesn't, it doesn't appear that there's a smoking gun in this article, which is going to force him to sell the team.

But I walked away and who's the biggest story of the week? Who's the big, right? Pat Mahomes was last week. This week he was about the franchise tag and guys that got an extension. And the guy that didn't get an extension, but almost got one at the very last moment is Dak Prescott. I look at the mess that is the Redskins. And I think to myself, okay, they had two consecutive quarterbacks suffer broken legs, right?

They traded for Alex Smith, gave him a big contract. He breaks his leg in such a fashion. He's lucky to walk now. He wants to come back in play, but that seems so far-fetched, right? That was, you're going back two seasons ago. Then Colt McCoy replaces him. He breaks it. his leg. Then

they draft Duane Haskins who his own coach says isn't ready. The coaches of the Washington Redskins didn't want him. But the owner, Dan Snyder, did. Eventually they fire

the head coach after changing offensive coordinators mid-year. Like, that Redskins thing is a mess. Think about it. The Redskins' best season was 2016 since Dak entered the league. They were 8, 7, and 1. The Giants since 2016 are 23 and 41.

Think about that for a second. The Giants, and by the way, that's if you take away, and then if you take away Dax rookie season where DAC won 13 games, or the Cowboys won 13 games, the Giants won 11 made the playoffs. They're actually 12 and 36 the last three years. And over the past two years, the Eagles have suffered through all sorts of dysfunction because of injuries. injuries to Carson Wentz came back, maybe a little bit too early from the torn ACL. He wasn't right. They had the Super Bowl hangover. And then last year, they were so decimated by injuries.

They had practice squad guys late in the year, and the Eagles still went to the playoffs. Like, the Cowboys, we want to say that Dak Prescott is a winner. Right? That's always been the, you know, he's a winner. Look at his record. Okay, but they didn't actually win last year. They didn't beat the good teams last year. I walk away from this Redskins story and say,

man, the Redskins are such a complete and utter dumpster fire. How the hell did they even compete? How have they been able to manage with all of this stuff? Because, look, half of the guys that were accused of this stuff have been gone from the franchise since 2015, I believe. Another one left in 2018. And then they fired three more going back to win this. I'm sure when the story was first brought to their attention, three more were gone.

So, yeah, that insulates Dan Snyder. Unless there is a smoking gun email that says he knew that this behavior was going on and did nothing about it and didn't send it directly to HR or he told HR to shut it down, shut down any investigation, then I think Dan Snyder, he's still going to own the team that's just going to put in new, you know, they're going to say, we change the culture, we put in new HR department, we're going to hire some different people. We're going to be more diverse, not just in terms of race, but sexuality. and we're going to plow head forward. But what do people always say about the Patriots?

Well, you know, the Patriots are great, but they play in the AFC East. The AFC East is an epic and abject disaster. That's true. That's true. But if that's true, why haven't the Cowboys been better? Anybody? Right? Like, Dax's a winner.

Only when Zik was suspended, they didn't win. That was three years ago. Yes, they got to the playoffs two years ago. Last year, they did not when. They had five wins on their schedule. Two against the Giants, two against the Redskins, and one against the Miami Dolphins rule in the year. And honestly, they played the Jets at home.

That should have been six. Oh, sorry, the Jets were in New York, my bad. It doesn't matter. The Jets were awful. Awful. Yes, I know how they finished five and two with Sam Donald at the end of the season. But the Cowboys were loaded up.

had all these star players, the number one statistical offense in football, couldn't beat the Jets, couldn't beat the Eagles in Philadelphia, the Eagles playing scrubs at wide receiver. And so while I know that we want to, and we will talk about this Redskins story, and not just what's been reported, but maybe what wasn't able to be reported, because there was a delay between when the story was supposed to drop, which was yesterday morning, and when it actually came. out, which means they probably had to go back through and take some things out because there

was threats for litigation. Again, that doesn't mean that it happened in terms of what they were being, and maybe Snyder was being accused of, but it does make you at least suspicious that there's more there and that any real investigation will uncover the more there. But did we forget what happened with the giants? and Eli and Gino Smith a couple years ago. Did we forget that the Giants have been an abject disaster? And yes, the Eagles three years ago won a Super Bowl, but they had the Super Bowl hangover year

where Carson Wentz wasn't right coming off ACL. Is it Wenz's team? Is it Foles team? Who do they actually believe in? Yada, yada, yada. Remember, the Eagles had lost so much of their offensive play-calling personnel because, you know, some had left for their own jobs. like the Eagles haven't been great over the past two years either.

So why aren't the Cowboys? Why don't they line up and have six wins or at least five wins every single year considering what an abject disaster their division has been? Much like people say, well, the Patriots have that benefit. And you know what? And you know what the Patriots do? The Patriots win their division, usually get a first round by, play at home,

and have the benefit of everybody else beaten. up on each other before they get somebody to come into their place and eventually get to the EFC championship game. That's what works for Bill Belichick. That's what's worked for Tom Brady. Have they benefited greatly? Yes. Did did LeBron James benefit from playing in the Eastern Conference?

Of course he did. But he still got to the finals every time. Yes, he was a prohibitive favorite. Yes, when he went to Miami, it wasn't just about building a super team. It was about tearing down a playoff team in Toronto taking Chris Bosch. It was about tearing down a playoff team in Cleveland by leaving and going to Miami. It was about pulling out the last, you know, the really one leg of the chair with the Boston Celtics ultimately getting Ray Allen. So it wasn't just that they built up the heat.

It was that they took down most of the competition in the East. So they were prohibited favorites, but they did get to the finals. The NFC East has been a mess. Mess. Abject disaster. regime change in New York, quarterback changes in New York, Redskins quarterback turnstile, complete dysfunctional franchise head coach, not getting along with front office or president of football operations, owner wanting a quarterback, owner trying to fight off keeping a nickname, Eagles have

suffered through after a great season injuries and dysfunction because of the disease of me and all that followed winning a Super Bowl. And what are the Cowboys have to show for it? One playoff win. And the expression in the NFL is, deals that you want to get done, you get done. And remarkably, the Cowboys did not get a deal done with Dak Prescott. What do they know?

They know that they should have been. If he was that good, if they were that good, there should have been more wins and more playoff wins and playoff buys to show for it. All right, coming up next, one of the reporters that broke this story about Dan Snyder's football team, should it lead to Snyder being forced to sell the team? We'll discuss next. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Seaman is off for the weekend. So the big story we were all waiting for. And look, there is a, there's an old, and this circles around, centers around D.C., you know, news dump Friday, usually, and this comes from, whether it's White House or other government, bad news, you know, after 4 o'clock on a Friday, you call a press conference or you have a news dump. That's because people, especially on a holiday weekend, people are gone. It gets buried. That wasn't the case for the Washington Post. We were told it was supposed to drop yesterday morning. It dropped yesterday afternoon.

And the revelations are quite alarming. Fifteen former employees of the Washington Redskins basically accused of having a toxic culture, workplace, and sexual harassment. And obviously this coupled with the imminent name change and other issues with the Redskins leaves it very much up for discussion as to whether or not the NFL could step in and say, yeah, Dan Snyder, you've got to sell this football team. Let's get to Will Hobson. He's a sports reporter for the Washington Post. He joins us in the herd. You can follow him on Twitter at the Will Hobson,

Will with two L's. Will, let's start with this. How long has this article been in the works? More than two years. There was actually a near-time story in spring of 2018 about how the Redskins had been selling as a perk for suite holders, access to the cheerleaders. And after that story published, we had a few former employees the team reach out to us and say, you know, it's bigger than just the cheerleaders. It's the

sales force. It's the intern, it's every woman who goes through that building. And throughout the summer of 2018, Liz Clark and I interviewed a bunch of former employees. And unfortunately, just back then, we were unable to get anyone on the record and we couldn't get anything in away documentation to support some of the claims we were hearing. So we let it go. and then about two weeks ago, we picked it back up after hearing from one woman that she was interested in speak on the record and then getting some documentation and text messages and documents from a few others. All right. So why did she change her mind? Why did she go on the record? I think that, well, I think one, she's no longer interested in working in professional sports. So there's both, you know, so the women who declined to speak on the record, there is.

both a fear of getting sued by their pretzims or the guys they were accusing. But then also, you know, a lot of these women want to keep working in pro sports and they feel like if they, if their name is out there, they're going to be perceived by other teams as, you know, problem employees. Will Hobson joining us, the sports reporter for the Washington Post. We were told it was supposed to drop yesterday morning. It wasn't until the afternoon. Of course, in the meantime, Dan Snyder has hired a lawyer.

to investigate. Why? Why the delay? There was no delay on our end. I don't know. Who was telling you the story that's coming out yesterday morning? We put it out as fast as we could. Well, there were, okay, so there was some, I guess, internet rumors as to this big, this big story. Was that from your side, or do you believe that somebody else did it in order to kind of diminish the story when it ultimately came out? I don't think there was any, first but the rumors definitely weren't coming from our side, which I explained to an outraged person close to team leadership yesterday. I think the rumors developed organically because the Redskins, the three guys abruptly left the organization. They fired two scouts last weekend and didn't put out any information about why, and that's the usual time to release your director of pro personnel and your top scout.

And then on Wednesday, the team's long-time announcer just really abruptly retired. And he's the type of guy that you would think if he was going to retire, they'd have some type of event for him. And he just released a statement and that was it. So I think people really started to speculate what is going on here that the two or three guys are just getting thrown overboard in pretty rapid fashion. There's the obvious question is how much of this, like Dan Snyder, What did he know, when did he know, and what did he do about it?

What were you able to ascertain? I mean, most of the women, I'd say mostly all the women who spoke to said, you know, I can't say with a degree of certainty that Dan knew this stuff was going on. Dan, they describe as kind of aloof, not spending a ton of time in the office. And what he does, he only talks to his, you know, the top executive staff. but the women do where they do lay the blame for this conduct with dan is a they had basically a non-existent human resources department that didn't have real policies in place to deal with this type of behavior and then b they say that they think he he just set the tone of verbal abuse that he they describe him as belittling his his executives and that that is like a trickle-down effect where they're they're dishing out the behavior that they're getting from the boss. Will Hobson, a sports reporter for the Washington Post. He and Liz Clark did this fascinating piece, which looks into the culture and dysfunctional culture of the Washington

Reskins. It's the article that everyone is talking about. Look, this is not your first rodeo in terms of professional sports and front office culture. How prevalent do you believe this behavior is in other franchises? I mean, I can't really say. I'll answer that question. in this way. I had some women that we spoke with with this story who do work for other NFL teams say you know, this is common. You deal with this everywhere. And I do think to a

certain extent that that rings true. But mostly everyone who spoke to acknowledge that these issues were particularly acute in the Redskins front office. And I mean, I spoke to one woman in particular this works for an NBA franchise now.

It says it's night and day. There's nothing like that going on over here. Ron Rivera is in charge of changing the culture, right? That's what Dan Snyder said. Like, he's going to come in and change the culture. As you said, you guys just picked this up two weeks ago. Did anybody who's currently with the Redskins notice any change in the culture since Coach Rivera has come over from Carolina shortly, I think, before the Super Bowl?

I, you know, I'm honestly not talking to too many current employees. And that that is something we do want to do, and that's something we certainly are very interested in. is to take the temperature in that organization right now. But they're not allowing those people to talk. Is that fair? Yeah, I mean, that's typically how it goes. And that's not unusual, nor what I suggest it's inappropriate. But that doesn't mean we can't still try.

Will Hobson joining us. He's a sports reporter for the Washington Post. The story is out. By the way, this is just a quick aside. I actually support that's behind the paywall. It's such a story that everybody wants to talk about. I know there's that's that's often discussed. But it's, you know, it's one of those things that we're, that within, within the media is it should it be behind?

Should it not? I mean, we're trying to get people to buy and, you know, and read your work on a daily or weekly basis. Sorry, you got to sign up behind the paywall. Having read it, I thought the, here's the part where it did correlate in terms of his behavior is copied from others. Dennis Green, one of the men who resigned, right? Did I read this right? Did he told him to do cartwheels because he was a college cheerleader? And did Dennis Green actually do the cartwheels?

That's the allegation. It was, Dennis relayed that anecdote to employees after the meeting. She wasn't in the room, so it's unclear if that actually happened. But other folks who are familiar with Dan said that type of conduct could absolutely have happened. It doesn't feel like there's any denying. at least we've seen of these allegations, have there been? No, the individuals have, well, the only one who did speak with us, former chief operating officer, Ms. Gershman, he did deny the conduct alleged.

But, yeah, I mean, with the other scouts, we're talking about things that, you know, text messages with our incidents that happened in, you know, a bar in Indianapolis, full view of multiple journalists and other team officials. Yeah. Last thing, as you mentioned, that Dan Snyder's seen as being mostly aloof, although he did set in place a culture based upon his verbal abuse of the people that he was in direct contact with, with those text messages and with any other information. Is there any direct link to Dan Snyder? At this point, no. No. What do you think should happen from the NFL standpoint? I mean, I think it makes sense to me for the league to monitor this independent review that the Redskins are doing to ensure that it actually is independent and not, you know, what you do see in corporate America a lot where a company brings in, quote-unquote, outside law firm to do these independent reviews that amazingly always seem to find that all the bad stuff was the fault of all the guys they already fired. going forward everything really fine well listen uh tell liz great job on this really interesting and in-depth read outstanding reporting journalism and thanks for joining us in the herd my pleasure

thanks my will will hobson joining us uh from the washington post look i i i do think it's it's fascinating you know um obviously ownership and leadership has a say in setting in place the culture and how about ron riva right ron rivaa ron rivaa goes from the culture of kerry of where the owner has to sell the team because he sexually harasses women within the organization. Rivera goes to the Redskins and the big thing with the Redskins was this. Will he have the power? The criticism of working for the Washington Redskins, or Washington formerly known as the Redskins is, you know, look, you can say and do whatever you want, but at the end of the day,

Dan Snyder, owner's going to own. That front office, the coaching staff did not want Dwayne Haskins as their quarterback, but Dwayne Haskins went to high school with one of Dan Snyder's kids, and Dan Snyder was absolutely convinced this is the guy. I actually think Ron Rivera, I mean, it's his football team. It means it's, it's, I mean, his football franchise, football franchise to go, I mean, he wasn't quite in, wasn't like he was in Shawshank prison. and he's, you know, climbing through a pile of feces like Andy Dufrain did.

And Carolina wasn't that bad. But Carolina did go through an ownership change. Cam Newton had been injured. They did kind of have these pieces that didn't fit together. They had all these mass retirements coming up of, you know, Luke Kikley had to retire early. And there was some ugliness there to now go to Washington. And granted, the pieces are not.

not set in place, but he arguably got the best player in the draft, best talent in the draft. And he now has, he'll have almost autonomy. Almost autonomy. Remarkable. Good for Ron Rivera. People question, why would you take that job? You'll never have a say. He's going to get to pick the nickname.

Pick the nickname, pick all of the front office staff, pick all the marketing staff, anybody he wants. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Good morning, Doug. Good morning, Ryan. Good to be with you here, my friend.

Let's start with some NBA, shall we? Let's do it. The Nets or some version of what we're calling the Brooklyn Nets right now, depending on, I don't know, no Kevin Durant, no Kyrie Irving, no, DeAndre Jordan, no Spencer Dinwiddie. Yes. Michael Beasley was on the Nets, not really on the Nets, failed the COVID test. So he flew to Orlando then had to fly back home.

Now he's not on the Nets. Yeah. If you can name six Nets. Oh, yeah, no chance. We got like a herd T-shirt for you. Yeah, no, thanks. I'm not even going to try. Without Googling.

I'll keep my dignity instead. So they are set to compete down in the NBA bubble in Orlando. But most of the intrigue regarding that team right now is who's their next head coach going to be. So we've been told that interim head coach. Coach Jacques Fawn will have every opportunity to try and prove he's the right man for the job. But now NBA insider Brian Windhorst is saying, keep an eye on Mark Jackson. So he pointed out that there has been some things on social media with Kevin Durant's business partner, Rich Kleinman, giving some praise towards Mark Jackson, using that as sort of a surrogate to say that,

well, we also know that Kevin Durant has a good relationship with Mark Jackson. there's probably some fire to go along with this smoke and to keep an eye on this relationship between Kevin Durant and his influence with the Brooklyn Nets right now and his relationship with Mark Jackson. It's going to be really interesting because Sean Marks is the general manager, right?

He's the one who cleared the cap space. He's the one who came in and fixed things, kind of created the culture. And that culture is one of the things that attracted Kyrie Irving and Kyrie Irving then in turn attracted Kevin Durant. But Sean Marks is a Spurs guy. Hey? You're talking about Jock Vaughn's coaching the team.

Currently, there have been some rumors. Maybe Greg Popovich. Maybe somebody else who's a Spurs guy comes over. Ema Yodoka, who's an assistant with the Spurs, a former player. Young can really very relatable. Mark Jackson does not seem to be a fit with Sean Marks, but he is a fit, especially with how Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant both want to play. right?

Give me the ball and everybody else get out of the way. He's an ISO guy. He's an old school 80s, 90s guy and he's a New Yorker.

So this would be, you want to know, what is that movie? Crimson Tide. Do you remember Crimson Tide? Can't say that I did. You haven't seen the movie Crimson Tide? No.

Denzel and, and Gene Hackman. And it's all about who has the con, who has control of the USS, Alabama. It's a submarine. I love sub-movies, and it's a really good one.

Sounds like it. Okay. Now, who has the con? Who has the con? Or Lord of the Flies? You read Lord of the Flies? Okay, who has the conch? Is it conch or conch?

Conch or conch? Probably both. Okay. Just like it's a potato or a potato. Right. Who has the con? Who has the conch? Who has the kunk?

Whatever in this, is it the players? Or is it the general manager in Sean Marks? That will, whoever they hire, will tell you who's in control. But it is interesting as you talk about the style of play and making the players happy. You know, what we just saw a couple of months ago in the last dance documentary with Michael Jordan is,

he never wanted Doug Collins fired. He loved the fact that Doug Collins always put the ball in his hand and it took Phil Jackson coming in and saying, do you want to lead the league in scoring or do you want to win championship? They were in the triangle offense, which he didn't initially like, and then it became, you know, a proponent obviously of the triangle. And of course, the triangle

helped Kobe Bryant, Shaquille, Neo, and Kobe win his five tiles. Yes, there is a parallel there. But also remember that Kevin Rand has tried that ball movement thing and fought against it. Fought against it. When he played

with the Warriors, right? Like, there were two different styles. He was an ISO guy and they were like, hey, let's just share the sugar a little bit. So, again, who wins? Tells you who has control. Let's turn to the NFL here, Doug. One of the bigger stories this week, aside from Dak Prescott, was Derek Henry, avoiding the franchise tag by getting a multi-year deal done with the Titans.

By avoiding the tag, the Titans were able to create another $4 million in cap space for 2020. What does this all mean, right? They now have about $23.6 million to still spend this season, and now the rumors about Chedavian Clowny ending up in Tennessee are starting to heat up a little bit. Titans' GM John Robinson wouldn't say, much telling ESPN, quote, we may or may not have had conversations. I'll leave it at that. But as most people are trying to discern where Clowny may end up, everyone knows the

Browns have made the highest offer. He seems reluctant to end up in Cleveland. Had made the highest offer. We don't see what happens now with the Miles Garrett contract. Correct. How that changes things. There's Seattle, who he played for last. They were waiting for him to kind of come back down to earth in terms of price-wise.

And then there's Tennessee kind of sit in the middle going like, hey, we got some cash. We signed Derek Henry do a short-term deal. I'm sure they want short, shorter term. And somewhere, you know, he's chasing the market money was, right? His original list price was way too high. No, no, no, no, wait a bit. I'll take a little bit less. Like, nah, you're still too high.

What he ultimately signs for is going to be fascinating. Yeah, it certainly feels like Tennessee is trying to read the room. And they're just going, now it looks like we can't. be one of the highest bidders but if we don't have to overpay we're not going to i mean they certainly with everything they've done from paying ryan tannan hill to now paying derrick henry i mean they and the way that they had success at the end of last season i'm sure they look at themselves like hey we're we're in it to win it this year so i wouldn't be surprised if he ends up there but i'm sure they also don't want to spend more than they have to at this correct correct well dug uh you and i

We are fans of watching Tiger Woods play golf. Yep. It appears we are probably not going to see much more of Tiger, unfortunately, this weekend. This was the first time we've seen the Big Cat in Action since the pandemic hit. Yesterday, not bad. He was one under. Today, yikes. And I mean, big yikes.

Really? I haven't had to see it. Looked up to the TV. How bad? Six over on the day, which puts him at five over through 15 holes. projected cut is around two over. And this is the place I think he's won seven times right out of Mirfield Village and Jack's course. Now, what's interesting is they played there last week and it was like a muny to these guys.

Like that's interesting one weekend, one weekend if you let the rough grow up. Right. You know, if you trick up, trick up the greens and speed them up and they are rolling really fast. Yeah, he's, today has been awful and it looks like it's going to be a short weekend for Tiger Woods. Eldrick Tiger Woods. That's Rhyme Music with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news.

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cap and sparked quick opposition from the union. Now, keep in mind, he never said the words salary cap. They never said the word salary cap. Here's what he did say. The only way it's going to happen is if they get to the table and say, number one goal, let's get from $10 to $10 to $15 billion, then we split the economics evenly. This was Thursday during a conference call. But that's the type of conversation that instead of fighting and fighting against each other, there's too much competition out there right now. Earlier this morning, Rodriguez had this tweeted out response.

Yesterday, I was asked about the CBA expiring in 2021. I answered honestly but never mentioned the word salary cap. I suggested on the call that both sides, players and owners, work together to make baseball as big as the NFL and the NBA. I've been in contact with Tony Clark, the executive director of the MLBPA, to make sure that we're aligned in taking our sport to the next level and showcasing the world's best athletes. So Alex Rodriguez, who of course famously signed the biggest contract in the history of sport,

not once but twice, is seen by many as a hypocrite. you benefited from no salary cap, why shouldn't we benefit for no salary cap? Well, by the way, that's what Tony Clark had to say. Alex benefited as much as anybody from the battles this union fought against owners' repeated attempts to get a salary cap.

Now he's attempting to become an owner himself and his perspective appears to be different and that perspective does not reflect the best interest of the players. I will tell you this. There's a couple of flaws to the no salary cap ever option that the Major League Baseball Players Association would like you to

First of all, there is a luxury tax, which though it's not a hard salary cap, it does cause teams, even New York Yankees, to be much more financially cautious than they used to be. Secondly, there is no ceiling, but there is no floor. Whether it was the Astros when they tanked, going back to 2013, or the Miami Marlins the past couple of years under Derek Jeter. like shedding salary to pay nothing to nothing. And then, you know, you get the rich get taxed and you get to benefit from it. You put a team out there that cannot compete. That only happens in terms financially with no salary cap. It's one of the big misconceptions about the NFL salary cap.

They had a non-capped season, non-capped season. And there was a substantial number of players that thought, happy days are here. We're going to get paid. And what happened? teams didn't spend money. Everyone got lowballed. And it was a disaster for the players. So, of course, they won a salary cap.

Now, Major League Baseball has never had one. And the second you say revenue sharing, revenue sharing to MLBPA means salary cap. But keep in mind, Alex Rodriguez is quickly becoming a Derek Jeter or Michael Jordan. Star players who got paid a lot of money. They get to the other side of the table. like these contracts don't make any sense

of why would I spend all this money for this many years? All of a sudden you open up the books, you're like, holy hell, this is a terrible business model. A terrible business model. And look, I get it because we're sitting there and people are able to say, well, you know, they make a bunch of money when you sell the team. Well, what the hell is the purpose of buying the team?

Like, this is not a house that you're going to go and flip. Like, oh, you know, I went in and it didn't. I did the kitchen, put in some new floors. You know, I was just like, I was just like, what's it, Terrick and what's, what's his ex-wife's name down in Orange County? Christina and Terrick, right? Terrick and Christina? Yeah, we just, we went in, we scraped it, we flipped it. Like, that's not what you do with a baseball.

You get a baseball team. So you own a baseball team. I get the meds for bill, do a bill. I'm trying to flip them for like three in two years so I don't pay capital gains. No, that's not the way it works. How many does that? Because if you do, you'll never own a professional sports team ever again. They don't let you flip teams.

You know, I bought the Mets. And then I went, I was thinking about buying an NBA team. And then I felt like, no. They want stability. So you got to raise $2 billion in order to buy the team. You put in your own cash. And then you look at the books. You're like, wait.

Wait, this is losing money every time we try it out there? I'm supposed to sign a long-term contract to some guy who's not on steroids. anymore, so he's going to get worse as he gets older? Yeah, no thanks. There's the expression. Ain't no fun when the rabbit has the gun, but how interesting is it when a player becomes an owner or perspective on it. It also should be pointed out that Alex Rodriguez, his chameleon side, he's one of those

guys that fits into any room. Oh, yeah. Oh, now I'm an owner? Okay, now I'll be financially reasonable. When I'm a player, it's all about getting as much money as possible. When I'm a Yankee, I'm all about the Yankees. And when I was a Ranger, I was all about the Rangers. That's who Alex is.

And he's been very successful with it because he's a great ballplay. He's good looking. And he's bright enough to know what he should know and have people around him that fill in the blanks. All right, coming up next. The Redskins culture, overcoming adversity and what it means for Dwayne Haskins. This is the herd. One more herd.

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Former teammate of both me and Collins over the other place. He'll join us in 15 minutes. So get his thoughts on the... bubble and how losing two point guards affects the Lakers. Will we see college football? And who do we think violated the basic dress code of answering the door to room service in the NBA bubble? Basic, basic room service etiquette is what? Answer the door and what?

If you're not dressed, then you unlock the door like, I'm in the back, bro. Just go ahead, just leave it out there. And you like leave 20 bucks? I have a lot of questions about. at the NBA bubble, which I've forgotten to ask you and my best, my closest friends that are there, is this an all-inclusive thing? Right, like I see Myers-Leod crushing beers there.

So my guess is that these guys, like, are there just buckets of beer everywhere? How does that work? I have to know. I have to send some texts out. We had to put a tweet out. I need Ben Gulliver, we had him on. He covers the NBA on my show,

the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio, follows this one. We had been on, and I just, I got to know. I need to know. Is it an all-inclusive resort? Usually the food's not that. That's why they're complaining about the food. All-inclusive stuff is like the food's never that good. Right.

But they're just pitch of just, they're just ice filled with beer, and you just go by and you grab beer, and shh, done. If so, we know what, anytime you get an all-inclusive resort, it's like if you don't have at least two, two or three tattoos, you're not there. And everyone gains like 10 pounds. I've never been on a cruise, but I've heard of those cruises. That's basically what it's like.

And when you go to an all-inclusive thing, do you tip every time? You're supposed to not bring your money. Like, do you tip every time? There's lots of things about this NBA bubble, I think, are fascinating. I mean, a lot of people don't tip on takeout. Now you don't, do you tip an all-inclusive thing where you're not supposed to bring your wallet? And is that what the how the NBA is operating? Like, hey, once you're in the bubble, you go through quarantine,

the least we can do is pick up your tab on all meals. And, you know, the first couple of times you do it, you just order so much food, you're like, man, that's a lot of food. But, wow, who cares? Tried everything. But then, like, five days in, you're like, yeah, I've kind of tried everything. This is, we need to change this up. All right, let's get to the story of the day.

Doug Gottliebind for Collins, the herd. The Washington Redskins culture is front and center on the front page of most every newspaper and online website. That's because people don't like Dan Snyder. Many people didn't like the Redskins nickname. They're going to change the nickname. People want them to change the owner. And the Washington Post did a really well done expose in which 15 former employees,

one who went on the record, 14 who did not, claimed to have been verbally or sexually or physically harassed during their time with the Washington Redskins. It should be pointed out that, everyone who's accused of wrongdoing in the article is no longer with the Washington Redskins. And as Will Hobson told us from the Washington Post, one of the two reporters, they circled back around to the story just two weeks ago, just two weeks ago, when suddenly one of the women wanted to go on the record,

she wanted to go on the record, they had a story, they went and dialed up, you know, they got 14 other people, and this was what happened. Okay, let me start with this. When Will Hobson told me that it wasn't until two weeks ago that they went back to a story that they couldn't get any collaboration on

for the last two and a half, three years, what else happened two weeks ago? Right. The discussion, the renewed discussion about changing the nickname and Dan Snyder's quote, you know, put it in all caps, we're never changing the name. This is, again, it doesn't mean that the accusations are false.

Both of these things can be true. That the accusations can be true. It led to these men being fired, rightfully so. And the timing of it, it wasn't like a, it's not like a coup d'etat. Like, the timing of it is basically people have had enough of Dan Snyder. I don't think this rises to the level where he's going to lose, he lose the ability to own an NFL team. I mean, these stories come out all at one. You know, within the last two weeks,

minority owners want out. They own 40% of the team. They want out. These are friends of Dan Snyder who have done business with him. The team conducted an internal review to change the name. Apparently something that had been going on anyway, and Ron Rivera been a proponent of. And then you got this stuff like all happening at once.

Come on, man. I was born at night, not last night. None of this stuff would have happened if Dan Snyder was a great dude that people liked and didn't want to see him lose the team. I don't see him losing the team. But what I do see is a really, really, really tough road for Dwayne Haskins. Now, by all accounts, Dwayne Haskins has in whatever we call this sort of offseason, he's matured some.

He's been a better leader. He started to grow into being the veteran quarterback of the Washington yet to be named football team formerly known as the Washington Redskins. Dwayne Haskins played in nine games. last year, completed 58 and a half percent of his passes, seven touchdowns, seven interceptions. Of those games, they did win, they did win two, right? He had two starts in which he won, and one of them, of course, was against the Carolina Panthers, but I believe that was after Ron Rivera had lost his gig, right?

that was after he was fired. I mean, look, there wasn't, Dwayne Haskins is a guy that's a classic thrower. And I think Urban Meyer was on the herd earlier this week and he said the best prospect he'd ever recruited was Dwayne Haskins

when he signed him out of high school. And Dwayne Haskins threw a 50 touchdown passes playing for Urban Meyer. Like, look, Urban Meyer knows what he's doing a little bit. He knows football players. He's had Alex Smith. He's had Dwayne Haskins and he raved about his talent even though he said, like, look, he's not really ready.

So I look at this thing, and I'm, I think Dwayne Haskins got a tough uphill climb. The way it works in professional sports and somewhat in collegiate in sports is, you've got to have a rabbi in the room. You've got to have a guy who believes in you, who drafted you. Well, the GM or president, Bruce Allen's no longer there.

Nobody who is in the scouting department, you know, the director of pro scouting is one of the guys that was fired. Coaching staff is all new. And while Ron Rivera to this point has said it's Dwayne Haskins job, like, look, Alex Smith still wants to come back and play. Don't know if that's possible. Remember, Kyle Allen started for the Panthers last year and Ron Rivera traded for him. Now, is Kyle Allen the classic backup?

Absolutely. I thought it was curious that Ron Rivera didn't reach out and wait for Cam Newton to be cut. Maybe that says something about Cam Newton. Maybe it says what he feels about Dwayne Haskins. But Dwayne Haskins' biggest supporter, his biggest fan is Dan Snyder, the still owner of the Washington football team. But as I told you last hour, like, look. Dan's not going to have a lot of say in this thing. They're going to have an HR department,

and the HR department's going to be super, super powerful. Otherwise, they're in trouble. He's going to have new members of the front office. Oh, yeah, and Ron Rivera is bringing in anybody and everybody who he liked and he worked with in Carolina. And while Kyle Allen can be kind of a teacher, Kyle Allen is, it's not like he's one. of these 40-year-old grizzly veterans who is okay not playing anymore, he wants another shot.

So too does Alex Smith. Dwayne Haskins hasn't lost the advocacy of Daniel Snyder. Just Daniel Snyder's voice within the room has been mostly muted. And then you combine that there's a new coaching staff. And then you combine the fact that, look, they're in a division where you would think the Giants are getting better. The Cowboys are loaded. and the Eagles should be

back this year. I think that's a tough road for the dude. And he's never had great feet. He's been a really, really good thrower. I mean, he's not a crazy athlete. But what he is, he's kind of classic pocket thrower with an adept touch. But remember, when he was a superstar, he wasn't a star,

he was a superstar at Ohio State. Look at the dudes he was throwing to. They had pros. else in the Big Ten had Joe's. Now, of a sudden, you don't have that advantage. So I look at Dwayne Haskins and I think, man, he was set up to fail last year because Jay Gruden and his staff didn't really want him. And Jay Gruden's offense was so complex.

Now you give him his second offense in two years with a staff that didn't draft him. Doesn't mean they don't like him, but they didn't draft him. So they don't have any kind of equity with them. But they carry in whatever bias they have after preparing for him and seeing him when he played against Carolina, 13 and 25, 147 yards, no touchdown passes, completely just 52% of his passes. And in a league where the move is towards more athletic quarterbacks, not just Lamar Jackson types, but guys that can move around and be athletic in and outside of the pocket throwing the football, that's not who Dwayne Haskins is. he's not an athlete. He's a classic thrower. I don't love it for him.

I feel like it's an uphill climb. And I feel like the changing of a culture is going to be an adverse situation for Dwayne Haskins. Through no fault of his own. He wasn't part of any of this front office culture. He wasn't any part of that nonsense? Now, maybe he can rise above and be a leader and they all get behind him,

but they didn't draft him. and the one guy who stood on the desk and said, you're taking this guy is the owner, and he doesn't have the swing he used to have. All right, coming up next. Ryan Rusillo joins the show upcoming next. What does he make of the situation with the Washington football team? Plus, the Lakers seem to be fighting an uphill battle

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Let's welcome him in from The Ringer. He is Ryan Rosillo. He's not only a former talented radio host. You hear him podcast on the Ringer, and of course he's a screenwriter, extraordinaire as well. Just Washington football team formerly Redskins. I'm sure you've read what the Washington Post had out there. What's your reaction? I mean, it's still really disappointing.

I think there are so many things that have gotten better in sports for women, opportunities that, you know, I would say even five, definitely 10 years ago, I would have been like, well, that's probably not going to happen. When I look at the way the NBA has not only changed its staffing, but the programming, I mean, it's incredible, you know, these are close friends of ours, and we talk about it all the time off the air. But the other part of it that we all know about is that some of these guys are just out of control, and they don't, they still don't know how to act.

and you know you read that stuff and you just go like that one personnel guy you're like what the hell is wrong with you man like are you serious like every single girl that covers the team every girl that shows up and you just you're just going to harass them all um so you know that was that was a part of it where i hate to keep saying this but you know working in sports as long as you have i don't think either of us were all that surprised by some of that stuff the smaller part of the story which is not as important important. But some of these people with their sources all week long will lead up to this and what they were saying it could possibly be. I don't know that I would ever believe any of these people ever again on any report because there's a lot of people out there that were connecting themselves to the story kind of for their own clout that were completely wrong about all the different directions that the story was going to go. Yeah, when a take-down piece is going to come out, people like Ryan Sillo are our guest, people like us in the media, we hear about it, right? Like, man, I heard this take-down piece.

I heard this take-down piece coming. And like, you just, unless you've spoken to the reports, unless you've actually seen it, like, you're just so much better to sit it out because it actually ends up diminishing the piece. Like, oh, that's it. That's it. Like, it's not that's it. Like, there's some stuff, there's some serious stuff in there.

By the way, there's this other part to it where, some men, and I don't know if all these guys are married or not, so I don't know, but like one guy said something in a bar. Some guys just don't know how to actually talk to women. That's actually, there's an element to it where like, hey, you're a creep. Hey, there's one guy who's looking up a woman's dress and equipment manager while she's on some stairwell. Like, who does that? But the don't even know how to have like a legit, does that line actually work?

In what world does you have a backside like a wagon work? How does that work? Who thinks that's going to work to get a lady? You know, I don't know. I don't know. I've, I just, you know, the conversations I had with women that I would consider some of my closest friends. And some of the stuff that they've told me that people have said to them, I just, I just shake my head.

I go, why would you even? even want, like, you don't even know the person. You don't even know they're interested in you and maybe, you know, this, the person is married. You know, I think sometimes with guys, especially in this industry, it's just something that I've always noticed, and it's a theory, but it's, you know, you're a younger guy and, you know, you work, work, work, you get married young, and then, you know, you start to actually have a little success, so now you're kind of important and then you're around

especially if we're talking about on air women you know generally very attractive women and they lose their mind like all of a sudden they have some power and it's this thing they've never experienced before they were never cool they never like they're socially

they're always socially awkward or whatever and then now all of a sudden they have this power and they think they can kind of get away with it and I've never I've never understood it It drives me crazy. It actually makes me furious at times, especially when it's people that I'm close friends with.

Yeah. Well, Ryan, we're still our guest here in the her. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. I look at it, and I do have this thing where I'm, like, how have the Cowboys, like, had not been better, right? Like, Dak obviously has done really well against Redskins and really well against the Giants. But you consider that in his four years, the Redskins have been a mess. Their best record is 8-7-1.

The Giants, first year, he was, DAC was a starter. They won 11 games. After that, they've been an abject disaster. I almost look at this, and I see all the dysfunction within the Redskins, knowing that the Giants have been through a complete rebuild. And then the last two years, let's be honest, the Eagles have really suffered the Super Bowl hangover. I do think there's a little bit of an indictment of DAC,

which leads me to kind of understand why the Cowboys could have gotten the deal done and chose to play a one-year deal instead. First of all, I think it's really hard to win playoff games. Okay? If you go through this exercise, I used to do it all the time, and you'll look at like some of the teams that we think are better franchises in the NFL. That team's done like nine years without winning a playoff game. And we lose track of it because we're not living it every single week with all 32 franchises.

But there's fan bases everywhere that can't believe they're all teams like, how long did the last time? I mean, think how long Dallas actually went. I mean, Minnesota had this absurd gap in there. You know, like, Minnesota, I can want a playoff game in forever. So I do think sometimes it's harder to win playoff games than maybe we expect. We spend so much time talking about Dallas, which is so incredibly boring because so many times, like, I get the attraction of Dallas. I get playing the hit.

But between the Zika and DAC updates, I mean, the DAC thing never really changed for like seven months. I heard last fall from an NFL guy, hey, it's like four years. It's like 140 and it's over 100 million guaranteed. So I was like, wow, that's pretty good on the guarantee number in cops to other people, but he must be really wanting to break the bank. So that's what I always kind of thought was happening. And then at the very end, the report comes out that, you know, maybe DAC was willing to kind of concede and do this, which I think at least on a shorter deal, not the home deal,

but on a shorter deal with how the cap may be recalculated with everything that's going on right now, that that shorter deal with that kind of guarantee may be worth it, knowing that if everything works out, he's probably going to do another big deal in three or four years. I'm just not going to do like an anti-DAC thing because there's enough quarterbacks that just kind of came up next where Jared Gough was just, just the next guy up and the Rams thought he was great, his press conference. So they gave him like 100 plus guaranteed, which didn't make any sense. And if Dak wanted to break the bank and go for more than that, that's fine.

And it's something you said, too. If you play the franchise pack right, now look, I think the franchise pack is terrible because it exists. It's a device to suppress salaries. But if you play it right in back-to-back years, you can clean up in two years and just straight cash and then clean up when you do your new deal with all sorts of new guarantees. So this really isn't that. I don't think it's insulting really by either side trying to execute this thing, but we've turned it into this massive standoff where I kind of understand both parties.

And I don't think it's really even a knock on DAC by what Dallas is trying to execute here. I don't think the franchise tag is a salary suppressor. I think it's why do you believe that? Because it exists. It's not, when people say like, oh, the franchise tag isn't that big of a deal, it's only to use this many times. Like, that's not the point. But the point is that it exists and it's always a tool that can be used against you with you are the premier guy getting free agency. So you never actually get to real free agency.

If quarterback- Correct, but that's not, but again, you're saying it exists to suppress salaries. I would disagree with you. I would say it exists, it exists so that players, so that teams can hold on to their players. It's what the NBA desperately wishes they had, so they didn't have all this movement. It's one of the reasons that the NFL believes they're more successful is that they don't have this. And we saw a lot of the shuffling of the deck this past us, far more so than we ever have. But a lot of that is because you've got quarterbacks kind of at the very, very end where they put themselves in position to be complete free agents.

But that's why it exists. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. This is why it's a personal salary. because if you don't have it, okay, if you're a quarterback who goes, hey, I want a new deal, my contract's up. Okay, well, then I guess if we're not interested in meeting your demands, you'll go to market.

And then we'll see what happens. If these top quarterbacks actually got to a true, true free agency, they'd be getting way beyond $100 million guaranteed. They would. Think of teams who haven't had a good quarterback for a decade. like, hey, do you want to get this guy? Okay, what's, what, I'm a hundred and a good feeling guaranteed. Who cares?

Perception has kept, I think, the guarantees down because we've all just assumed, like, oh, you can't do that with any of these guys. So the fact that you can just say, oh, well, who cares? We'll just tag them. Then you never get to, like, the free market that exists. I don't think it's a free market, but I think it's been collectively bargained. And I do think there's a penalty for teams where it does dollar for dollar go against the cap, and that's kind of what you have to balance out.

That goes up like $10 million every year. But it's not going. But it's, and it's, but it's, but you can't argue COVID in 2020, the cap that phone. It's gone up over $80 million in a decade. Yes, but if you're carrying that big of a cap number, it's going to hurt a team's ability to fill out a roster around in the short term, right? That's the, that's the benefit. All of these, all these GMs, they want long-term stability.

They're willing to overpay to get a little bit to get, you know, so long-term, I know what my quarterback is. It's the, you got to be reasonable about it. And, you know, the, the long-term deals don't always pan out to be the good ones, especially in other sports. Like, we talk about these other sports, like these long-term deals are good ones, point out how many have actually been good ones for teams. And I, and I think the NFL also, like, look, this is the only, only sport like this. You really are one Alex Smith hit away from being debilitated. I want to get to the NBA kind of, kind of quickly, Ryan Rusillo, our guest. I still think the Alex Smith things are, total exception, though. That doesn't happen

like ever. It happened to a quarterback and it sucks that it happened to them, but it's not happening to like a handful of quarterbacks every year. Okay, I bet. Okay. I mean, I, that's fair. That's absolutely fair. I also think that the long-term deals,

like the Pat Mahomes, those are the exception, right? Like, Brady's been the best. He's done these short-term deals time and again. And it's one of those things that quarterbacks can do because generally the Alex Smith thing doesn't happen to them. It's at both ends of the spectrum, the quarterbacks get screwed in terms of the top end, and then the running backs are left because how much leverage do you really have

when you can be replaced by two or three guys at pennies on the dollar in comparison, whereas quarterbacks can't really be replaced. It's one of those things where they collectively bargain, but it doesn't totally work for the sport because there's such a discrepancy in length of career, style of play, realistic, you know, a percentage of chance of injury. Is that fair? I just don't think the long-term, like long-term deals in the NFL of fake deals anyway. It's the money in the first three years and then they can rework these

things as they want to, they get the cap flexibility to have the bumps go up every single time. I read all the stuff on percentage of the salary cap, quarterback. I think it's an interesting trend, but I don't think it's a law. Ryan O'Sillo joining us in the herd. What's appropriate attire for answering the door when you get room servers. Well, you know, you're going to put some clothes on, man. I mean, I don't know what, like I think sometimes we forget how young pro athletes are, especially if you get older.

But the fact that guys need to be reminded of this stuff, you know, I don't, part of me isn't surprised, but I kind of wish I were. Is it, do they have to come out of pocket or is an all-inclusive resort? Like, I can't really tell. Well, the Disney deal, usually you just have that band that you put on, which is genius because, you know, it's a lot like when you go to the casino, you wouldn't bet as much if you had to put cash on the table every single time. You know, same thing with the credit card.

Everybody's got it's hooked on plastic and you just, the mechanism of doing it, you just feel like they're not really spending real money. So it's good for the economy because we all end up spending a little bit of, more the disney band i mean you're never even taking anything out it's like a waving a little digital watch it's stuff so i thought everybody had the disney band which has a bunch of um different things going on with it and you know i've had it before when i went down there i did a couple of different events i was still with the fdn but trust me if those guys are paying for cash somebody's going to complain about an iG video so you know let's not the content will be there if you

need a question answered about a potential complaint or somebody salis bar. Well, actually, salad bars are out lot now anyway, but I'm sure someone will let us know. Okay. How much does it affect the Lakers to not have Rondo and Avery Bradley? Bradley's a bigger deal than Rondo is. I mean, Rondo wasn't very good in a lot of combinations on the floor. Like, there were certain LeBronto numbers where I went, oh, wow, that's even worse, which is kind of funny because when I watch Rondo, I actually thought physically and whether or not. I mean, Rondo's had so many moments in his career. We're like, okay, you're checked out, huh?

Like, you don't care. Which I always think it's funny about Rondo. Like, he's admitted he hasn't played defense for a long time. He has zero interest in playing defense. He's been a malcontent at times, and then he would just turn it on at certain spots and then would call out everybody else for criticizing him. I'm like, dude, you're essentially mailing it in doing these games, and it's painfully obvious, and you didn't admit to it at times. So why is it our fault for ever pointing it out?

So even though I thought specifically the things I liked about him, here, it just wasn't really a big part of any of the things that they were doing success-wise. Bradley is just another body that you can trust, although he's not really a point. He's somebody who defensively is terrific. He can have those kind of outboard up for scoring games. I mean, if he had 20, it's great, but if he had two, you wouldn't be shocked either. But I just felt like the James Davis combination was so good. And both Biggs and McGee and Howard ended up benefiting so much from LeBron in a way

that I didn't even really think would happen. And I was like, my gosh, everything is so easy for these guys. So, yeah, the rotation on paper isn't what the Clippers rotation is. We all know that going into it. But it felt like this stoppage messed up the Lakers probably more than anybody because the way they were playing and getting things rolling, I just started to buy into the whole thing a lot more. I just think I trust those two guys more than I trust anybody else.

So, you know, the Bradley thing is not just because it's a rotation thing. I don't know how those replacements are going to help out. But the rotation is short enough anyway. If LeBond and AD are terrific, that they're at least going to be in the Western Conference final anyway. I'll give you the one guy that I almost forgot existed in this discussion, and they weren't getting nearly as much as they thought they would get out of him. And I think he's going to be the deciding factor.

It's Kuzma. Because, look, Bradley was playing his best basketball as a Laker when they started playing great. I actually, I don't like losing Rondo in terms of the numbers of ball handlers, but Rondo, I don't know, I feel like you have a head coach that looks at Rondo and sees 2010 Rondo and it's 2020, and that's always dangerous, right? Where Rondo is, he's a guy who should barely be on the roster, and yet, you know, because of what he did 10 years ago, the coach might put him in the last five minutes of a game. Yeah, no, no doubt.

But our entire calculus about who the Lakers are, is taking into account that Kyle Kuzma was having a disappointing year. Now he's had essentially the entire offseason to get it right. I think he could be the guy who could change the entire calculus of this team. He could. I mean, he's certainly talented enough, but I mean, this is something you always said, which is a great line. Like, even the worst team at the leading score.

And, you know, Kuzma is a different guy with a different roster and now with less opportunity, and it hasn't always been smooth, which is to be understood. Like, I'm not, I mean, it's not even like a criticism to say, hey, how come? you're not as good right now. Kevin Love's numbers went way down once he was on the calves because it's like, hey, you don't get to be the guy taking a million shots and grabbing every single rebound like you were with Minnesota.

So I think the talent is there, but it hadn't ever really been the basketball fit, and maybe the scary thing for regrets everybody else is that really when LeBron and AD are going, it comes up with it doesn't matter who else is out there anyway. It really, that's how in love I am with that

combination. So it's definitely I'm not disagreeing with you at any point. I don't know if the break resets him and we see him engaged in a way where it's just more consistent and he understands his role a little bit or if it was just a break. And because of personnel, we see the same Kuzma again, but it's just, you know, is in an arena in Orlando. There's no home court advantage, but there's also no, you know, there's no road disadvantage, right?

So it does feel like there are going to be exhibition games more so than real. game, for the exception the team's trying to get into the playoffs, I guess. Who are we missing, right? Is it the Celtics? Is that the team? Is it the Sixers with Sartan Shake Milton at the point? Like, who's the team? There's three teams that ever, but there's got to be another team, isn't there? Okay, but I feel like everybody's done this because it's different. And by the way, this is, I don't think no people are really ready for this. And I'm not going to do it.

And whatever, I mean, social media, social media. But they're complaining those first few days and what the product, looks like and how weird it's going to feel. I don't know if people are ready for this because it's going to be weird. Like I've gone down there. I'm sure you probably have to. Like back when they just had the draft camp there where, you know, it had in Chicago forever and then they put it down in Orlando and they had all these great facilities.

So when all the stuff first went down, I was, you know, Orlando actually is probably a solution. And I had been there for like six years and you just sat way up into the stands and you could walk around back then. It's not going to happen now. And you just be watching all these games going at once. I mean, so it's not going to be the same execution, but the backdrops and all the stuff,

like it's going to feel like AAU stuff with huge guys that are older and fancier uniforms. And, you know, this is about sacrifice, like Silver said. So, you know, I don't think anybody really should be complaining about it, but everybody's going to. As far as what we're supposed to do and how we factor that in, I feel like people have gotten really motivated to try to pick out different outcomes now because of this. But I don't understand.

Like, why would the team that's the four or five seats now all of a sudden have some advantage. Just because of no home court, maybe, but home court value has even been diminished a little bit more in the playoffs than you probably realized because it used to be overwhelming back in the day. But, you know, if it's the Celtics because they're younger, you know, I looked at how the playoffs spacing breaks down and there's a little less, but there's still plenty of playoff games

in the more recent and real version of this where it was only a day off. And the Celtics, you know, I really like that team and Tateham going for 30 a game for like two months there. They never played together. They did, but they didn't. I mean, their top five guys in minutes all missed a good chunk, except for maybe Jalen. Now, Jalen is time, too.

So, like, I'm supposed to pick the team that hasn't been together. And then Philly, who was amazing at home, and now in Orlando system, I'm supposed to buy it to them when they were just atrocious on the road. And Houston, who, you know, it's almost like we're doing the NHL, helping with them or it's like, hey, could this team win it? Like, man, if the goalie gets hot, it's like, all right, let me just do that with every playoff team because you can do that constantly in the NHL playoffs.

So when you go like rockets, you never know what that shooting, if they could get hot. Yeah, I also know this, that seven-game series with that smaller lineup, that's a different test than kind of catching teams off guard right when they had made that trade. And sure, right, if Hardin and Westbrook go nuts, which they were, and Harding gets a shooting back, which I'm sure he's going to, he had kind of a lull there at the end of the year season, but it's still a six-seed team as of right now. So I'm supposed to pick the six-seat team to come out of the West over either of those LA teams.

Like, that doesn't seem to make any sense. So I think with the time off, and I get it, there's been a bit of a push to try to figure out, like, different outcomes, but I don't know why, like, hey, we have like 60 games with these teams. Why would you start picking teams that came in 40%? I don't know. I guess everything regresses to the mean, but we got to give us the reason to watch. these these other games.

Ryan, great stuff. Can't wait to hear the next pod. Dropping on the Ringer. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, though. It's Ryan Rosillo from the Ringer. I'm hearing something about one NBA team right now that I love, and I think actually you could throw into that mix

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You're close. My bad, dog. You did, in fact, have a great conversation there a little bit ago with Ryan Rusillo of the ringer. I did. You guys were discussing some of the real contenders down in Orlando for the NBA championship this season.

One team looking to make some of the changes is the 76ers not included on Ryan Rissillo's list. They're young, talented, but looking to take that next step and hopefully make a run in the east. 76ers head coach Brett Brown said this about Ben Simmons to the Philadelphia Inquirer, quote, he shot more threes in practice the last few days than he might have for almost half a season, and he looks good. They also went on to say that Simmons was going to make the move from point guard to not only play power forward, but all over the court, what are you thinking

about this change in Ben Simmons in the 76ers? Look, I actually like it. You know, he patterned his game growing up in Australia after Lamar Odom. Everybody wants to say, like, Magic Johnson, like, no. Lamar Odom was his guy, left-handed, also

6-10, obviously a better shooter, but I think that somewhere between Lamar Odom, and remember how they used Draymond Green, it was essentially the power forward and non-shooting he shoots, but he doesn't make it very often with the Warriors, but a great passer and very good teammate and tremendous player. The issue I would have with the Sixers is,

I don't get the Al Horford thing, right? How does he fit? How do they get more minutes for Al Horford? But yeah, you move them all over the court, and I also think it shows that they believe shake Milton can really score. Another score. You got to play all scores with Ben Simmons so that there's room in the paint for,

or room, you know, for guys to operate. I think that's more with, this is about than just Simmons. But yeah, he's got to shoot, even if he, I've said this as a guy who couldn't shoot either, the best way to get me to shoot is take me out if I don't, don't take open shot. You got to just take some with confidence. You make one third of them and you're going to be almost unguarded. So I guess the issue with that is, and as you've always said, you know, I'm a civilian and you're a basketball guy. Yeah. So, but doesn't that that sort of, you have to make space. What do you do with Joel Embed and how does that affect the spacing? And are you sort of

trying to highlight Simmons at the expense of someone like Embed? No, I mean, look, the problem is that Embed, what you're saying, Embed's strength is when he's at the block. There's a spot called the dunk spot or the dunker. If you look at a basketball court, you'll see like a hash mark on the baseline. That's where they have guys stand in space. Toronto used to play when he was with the Celtics. And that way, if you double team off him, you drop. to him he can catch it and dunk it. That's why they call it a dunker spot through his spaces out the court.

I think you put him there some. I think you make him into a cutter. What he can't do is he can't stand and spot up like he's a good shooter and then not shoot when he catches it when he's open. That's the big adjustment that has to be made. All right, we'll stick with the NBA here, Doug. You had a lot of questions about the NBA bubble,

how it works, how it operates. I apologize. I don't have any answers to those questions, but here's what I do have. 76ers forward Mike Scott sharing his breakfast on social media. It's without a doubt the largest stack of pancakes I've ever seen. By my count, it was 15 pancakes. Now, Mike Scott is reportedly 68240.

Yes. Do you think he ate all of them? Yes. Really? Oh, yeah. I mean, breakfast guys can just crush your breakfast, right? He'd wake up and they're hungry. They're crushed your breakfast.

I'd like to know, like, are there just like regular pancakes? You like paleo pancakes? Because there has to be a lot of syrup. By the way, that's a fair point. My kids don't do butter on top of their pancakes. That's such a huge mistake. Such a disconnect between generations. Such a disconnect.

I'm going to not great radio, but let me show you the picture of these pancakes. I've seen the picture. Yeah, I mean. Really impressive. You have to put butter in between each one of those pancakes, though. That's a big kid. So how many pancakes can you? Are you a pancake guy, breakfast food power rankings?

How many pancakes can you eat? I'm not a big pancake guy. I mean, I can eat pancakes. They are delicious. Yeah. I like waffles is ahead of pancakes. Where do you come out on French toast? That's fantastic.

All depends on the bread. Quality of the bread. Texas toast, French toast is probably the best. Yeah. Top, top, and then waffles and then pancakes. Yeah, look, I'm kind of lame. I'm mostly coffee for bread. breakfast guy?

Yeah, I mean, I get it. Or oatmeal, you know, but if I'm going to do some sort of carb, I would go waffles first, French toast, second, pancakes, third. Solid. We'll finish up with some NFL here. Doug, NFL insider, Tom Pelliserro, joined us on the Doug Ghalype show yesterday.

This morning, he's reporting that while the NFL and NFLPA continue to work on protocols and other issues, teams are starting to send players tentative dates to report for training camp, which players will have to attend or they face potential punishment. One player who's unhappy with current situation, just the most expensive athlete in an American sports history.

Patrick Mahomes saying on Twitter, quote, stuff is crazy, man, all this time we had, and now we're getting down to this. Does that mean he's unhappy? He is in reference to that they're still trying to hammer out protocols, testing. A lot of the players seem to be unhappy because they're only a couple weeks out from when they're supposed to report to training camp. Some are supposed to report, I think, tomorrow. Right.

And they don't have any answers, clear cut on how it's all going. going to work. Yeah, look, I think the NFL, what they've done is they've let everyone else try and figure things out and now they can figure some things out. The good thing is that they have enough money and there's not that many guys that it won't cost them as much to test people every day. They can learn about quarantine and whatever. But the big question is going to be, will the NFL take haircuts, players take haircuts because they feel like the, what's the salary cap's going to drop? Well, that's the news.

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I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin Cowherd. I will tell you, we have discussed the Washington, formerly known as the Redskins a ton, a ton,

on national radio. My show follows this one, which is on Foxported of the Doug Gottlieb show. You know, I've talked a lot about a team and it's like, a crummy football.

football team. And I'll get to what that means for Dak Prescott. But the story of the day is the Washington Post and these details of 15 former employees and their details of a toxic culture which has sexual harassment and just a lot of inappropriate behavior from six now former employees, none of whom are named Dan Snyder. My first blush is I don't think that this rises to the level where the NFL will make Dan Snyder sell the team. On the other hand, there is a lot of smoke there between the name change, the sponsors potentially pulling out the minority stockholders being unhappy. You are friends of his.

And now this and the fact the team is kind of a mess and the need for a new stadium. Like, yeh. I also think there's a little bit of desensitization by all. of us, right? There's been enough of these stories. You're like, really again? Some of them, you know, date back five, six years ago because some of these men left the Redskins and their interactions with these 14 unnamed women.

One woman went on the record. Obviously, it took place years ago. But there's enough there to you're like, yeah, that place is a mess. That place is a mess. and the biggest accusation of Dan Snyder is that they don't have an appropriate HR department. And it's interesting. HR and HR in the real world is like compliance in when you're playing sports in college. You think of them as the bad guy, but really, as long as they're reasonable people and you're a reasonable person,

like you can say something which is, you can't. It's inappropriate. Like, okay, my bad. It wasn't my intent. intent is not the place in the workplace. I don't believe this happens everywhere. I do believe that there are comments that are made that guys have to adjust their language. And I'm not talking about in this particular case.

Like, there's just dudes that said, did things. You're like, man. But I look at the Redskins. Like, man, they're going to go through a complete gut job. Complete. Here's from Dan Snyder, the owner. The behavior described in yesterday's Washington Post article has no place in our franchisor society.

This story has strengthened my commitment to setting a new culture and a new standard for our team and a process that began by hiring with the hiring of Coach Rivera earlier this year. Beth Wilkinson, her firm, are empowered to do a full, unbiased investigation and make any and all requisite recommendations. Upon completion of her work, we will institute new policies and procedures and strengthen our human resources infrastructure and not only avoid these issues in the future, but most importantly create a team culture that is respectful and inclusive to all, which I think leads a lot of us to think, why didn't you already have that? This is not like one guy. This is a bunch of different dudes, and they're all varying levels of importance.

But while it looks terrible for the Redskins, it's also interesting for a team like the Cowboys and a quarterback like Dak Prescott. we think of this we think of the new england patriots right we think of the new england patriots and a lot of people will point out yeah but they play in the afc east you play in the afc east and you win five or six games to start the year because you're just better than everybody in the afc east well that that puts you halfway to 12 and all you got to do is split the rest of your games you know you split the rest of your games you 12 wins, you get home field sometimes throughout, oftentimes just in the first round of the playoffs. It's an unfair advantage. Then you look at the Cowboys.

I will grant you that three years ago, the Philadelphia Eagles won a Super Bowl. But I would also point out that the year before that, they weren't great. And the two years that followed, they haven't been awesome. After the Super Bowl, when they claimed we're going to have fun, we're going to win, they, Carson Wentz came back a couple games in. Was it his team or Nick Foll's team? And they never really mesh and never really jelled and had the dreaded Super Bowl hangover. Outside of that, you got the Giants who, in the first year that Dak Press got won 13 games filling in for Tony Romo.

They won 11. After that, they want to combine 12 games over the past three years. And then you have the mess in Washington. Then you have the mess in Washington. So I look at it and you're like, look, I understand, playoff games are hard to win. Get that. But you would think in the last three years, what has Dax shown us?

Three years ago, Zeke got suspended for six games. Cowboys were never the same. Last year, everybody was hurt except for Carson Wentz on the Eagles. They couldn't score, couldn't beat the Eagles in Philadelphia, couldn't beat any of the good teams that they played. It is, in fact, you read this and you start to understand that between the quarterback changes, the coaching changes, the front office changes, and now the executive changes, the Redskins are complete and utter dysfunctional mess. The Giants have gone through massive changes, not just replacing Eli Manning, replacing their

general manager, their coaching staffs. They've been a mess. And over the last three years, you got in the playoffs once. How much better could the setup be for DAC? Which is why, let's not lose focus from the story of the week, which is DACC signs a frame Tender. And we know what that's about. It's about Dak saying, hey, Kirk Cousins isn't a top five quarterback, but he's actually the highest paid quarterback, highest paid player in the NFL over the last four years.

Dak thinking, you know, worst case scenario, I'll do that. And the Cowboys saying, we like Dak. Do we love him for four years so he can become a free agent again? Like, nah, we're going to overpay him? Nope. You know, you make the offer just in such a way where you believe. that he's going to turn it down. That's not a terrible idea.

It's not a terrible plan. And maybe it's because they know what we all suspect, which is, that's good, that's fine. Is that going to lead them to a championship? No. Will he prevent them from winning a championship? No. He's good enough.

He's just not great. And you sign those long-term, huge money deals, you better know. I think what the Cowboys want to make sure is they're not like an NBA team who's, you know, signing a really good player to a max contract. A max contract should be for the best players in the league.

And that's it. Those are the guys. But the problem is that, you know, he's the next quarterback around. And well, Jared Goff's contract is a bad contract. Like, if I'm sitting there, my argument to the Cowboys shouldn't be, hey, you know, Jared Goff got this like, the Jared Goff contract's insane. The Todd Gurley contract was bad, the Jared Gough contract was bad. How about we compare your contract to somebody whose contract makes sense?

Jimmy Garoppolo just went to a Super Bowl. He's making the mid-20s. So I look at the mess and the dysfunction within the Redskins, and I think, boy, Duane Haskins, the owner will have very, very little power. Still be his team, but it's going to be Ron Rivera's franchise. And Ron Rivera did not draft, did not choose, his son did not go to high school with Dwayne Haskins. And I look at the Cowboys and think, you know, if you really want to call it, Dak Prescott hasn't been able to seize on this magnificent opportunity nearly the way he should have.

And maybe that tells you exactly who Dak Prescott is, which is good, just not great. All right, coming up next, John Middokoff joins the show. what does he think about the Redskins situation? He used to work in the NFL. Is this par for the course, or is this only on a couple of different places in the league? What does it say about the rest of the NFC East? And why didn't the deal get done between Dak and the Cowboys? We'll find out next.

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and on my pod, I think it's about the million downloads a month, and his is well over a million downloads a month. He's John Middlkoff, former NFL Scout, who joins us in the herd. First things first, most importantly, what the hell happened to Tiger today? Wheels fell off. You know, when you're in your mid-40s and you take five months off, it's hard to lock back in, especially think about the PGA tour. Once they came back, all the top guys have been playing pretty steadily for the last month.

Tiger looked good playing with Tom and Peyton, but a little different animal when you play with all the guys in their 20s. Okay, but Mirfield is a place that he always plays well. You buy into this the golf ball thing, like the nuclear golf ball they're talking about? No, I mean, you're right. I think he's won there five times. I just think like you don't have, I read a stat. Now, again, it's a little skewed probably, but this is the best field in tournament history,

non-major. Yeah, I mean, he's playing with yesterday. he was playing with Rory and Brooks Kepka. Yeah, Kepka missed the cut too. So I just think the margin for error right now, just because every elite guy is playing, the cuts have been outrageous. Now, today, I think it's going to be like plus three,

but you just can't have an off round right now and make the cut, and Tiger just hasn't been planned. Yeah, yeah, it's also like they've really, it's really impressive what they've done to that course in one week, right? It's insane. Like last week, last week was a Muni. This week gets the U.S. Open.

I know. It's wild. And just don't cut that rough and speed up those greens and all the sides. Change the pin placements. And oh, my God, what happened to this course? This thing looks completely different. Okay, let's start with the Redskins. You've worked in the National Football League. The stuff you read, par for the course or the Redskins, the exception?

Again, in my experience, and there's only one team and one group of guys, I have never seen anything. And I worked with countless guys that became on to be GMs, had been GMs, never treated, you know, especially media members, female media members. I've never heard of that. So when I read that story, I don't know either one of the scouts, and I guess the play-by-play guy too, like that is, that's just, you know, Doug, I mean, in sports and an insurance company, like, they're just scumbed guys. Like, the guy's just kind of a scumbed. I mean, clearly, just a scumbed guy. I was never experienced that with anyone in a scouting or coaching staff.

People always had, again, I mean, for Coach Reed, that just wouldn't fly. But you just treated people in the building, media members, you know, anyone that you just was associated with the team or around the team with a lot of respect. That was just kind of the price of admission. So maybe that speaks to, you know, the overall just kind of culture there. I know unless I know people kind of assume that Dan Snyder knows, but you know how companies work. Sometimes not everything comes up the chain. And now if he knew and he didn't get rid of the guy,

then to me that's on him. But if he didn't know and we don't have that information yet, it's hard for me to just assume that everyone knows everything. No, I don't, I don't think you know. Or if you know, I mean, I don't know. Nothing I read says he's going to have to sell the team. No. I mean, to me, Mark Cuban stuff was way worse.

He didn't have to sell the team. So not once when I read that article did it cross my mind that Dan Snyder is going to lose the Washington, whatever the hell they're going to be called. I did. I read the article and I read the statement where he talks about the process began with the hiring of Ron Rivera. Like, dude, Ron Rivera basically runs that franchise now. He's going to get to pick the nickname, you know, and the mascot. And, you know, front office. He's bringing over front office members from Carolina.

anybody he'd liked, I don't think that bodes well for Dwayne Haskins because the owner was the guy who believed in Dwayne Haskins. And now look, so far, I'm sure their relationship is good. But if he didn't draft you and you didn't go to high school with his son, Ron Rivera starting from scratch and Dwayne Haskins has to be great to keep that job. Yeah, I do think the tough part about it. For Dwayne Haskins, he can't argue that he's getting a good opportunity this year, right? He's going to be a starting quarterback when the season starts, assuming the season starts. And the great part about the NFL, and Ron Rivera at the end of the day, was a former player, a guy that had to earn his kind of stripes in the league, linebacker from Cal.

So he's going to give him the opportunity, but by no means I don't think they're looking at him as just the savior of the franchise. And like you said, Rivera, think how much equity he's earned in that region around the country. I mean, he's already had a lot. I think he's one of easily the most respected coaches in the league and probably in all a sports, just a super high-level guy. But now, like you said, just carrying this franchise on his back, he speaks for the team on all these matters when he had nothing to do with any of this. I mean, he just showed up when, like mid-January.

So, yeah, I mean, Dwayne Haskins, you just, I don't think you can ask for anything more than an opportunity, and he's getting the opportunity. Plus, part of being the 15th overall pick, I mean, he's going to make. some cash no matter what those first round deals are guaranteed john minocoff our guest here in the herd dug got leap filling in for con why don't you think the dac prescott deal made you know when you see clarence hill say that they hadn't talked for a long period of time to me that tells you everything you need to know when people want to get something done they talk right when you care about something whether it personally or professionally you may go a week without talking but you'll

eventually reach out. And then, you know, when I see James Slater tweeting that there were offers between $33 and $35 million a year and around $10 million and guaranteed money as an option, and DAC got involved last minute, like, I put that on DAC in his camp. Like, what are they, screaming for, an extra $5 million? Like that amount of money, so he's going to get $30 this year. Well, he could have had 80 on top of that, you know, guaranteed today. Plus, we all know being the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Like he's on these commercials right now because he's the quarterback of the Cowboys. If he was Dak Prescott of just solid NFL teams, it would not be the same thing.

So to me, when I see those numbers out there and they were on the table, it's on Dak Prescott, not on the Cowboys. Yeah, I think he wants to be, he's like, well, look, worst case scenario, I'm Kirk Cousins. But Kirk Cousins had to change teams. Kirk Couss is very, very fortunate. Now, they re-uped Kirk Cousins, which is kind of had more money, which is always interesting to me. Didn't see that one coming. Yeah.

But they had to move some money around because they were in such cap hell that he ended up. But that's like a, we have this tendency to take one outlier and say, that's a path. Like, that's one outlier. I don't know if he's going to follow that path smartly. I got into an argument with a buddy because he thought that, because I took that tactic too, I said, listen, you can play it out like Kirk Cousins. The difference is three years ago. there were a lot less quarterbacks in the league.

You know, I mean, all these rookies came in. We've had other guys kind of anoint themselves as players. These older guys just won't seem to go away. And Cousins had, you know, four or five teams buying first services. At the end of this year, how many teams would be lined up, one, to really want DAC and two, give that type contract that Jerry just had on the table. You know, I think when you look back, Cousins, one, he, think how unique it was, the team that just lost in the NFC championship was in the quarterback market.

Like that's never happening. It just does not happen very often and willing to pay huge cash. And wouldn't you say the league, if you look back on that, you'd go, yeah, I would probably have avoided that. And Cousins has actually been statistically solid in Minnesota. I think he kind of gets unfairly kind of knocked. But, you know, he is what he is at the end of the day, right? He's somewhere between like 10 and 15. and that's probably what DAC is.

You know, the Jared Goffker cousin's kind of in that little mold. And I'm just, I know my personal philosophy, I struggle, Doug, to give huge, huge cash to guys that are just not big time. Because I think it's pretty consistent in sports over the years. When you give premium money to non-premium players, even good, just very good players, it's hard, especially at quarterback. Like, think how good the Vikings team has been. look at the Cowboys. They're equally as good. Now, you could argue, go, well, Zimmer is a better coach than Jason Garrett. Well, Dax's going to get his chance, you know, in theory this year with Mike McCarthy, a guy that's had a lot of success. John Middukoff joining us, former NFL Scout 3 and out is the podcast. Download it on the Heard Podcast Network.

You can also download my basketball podcast, All-Ball conversation with Charles Oakley. Okay, so I'm looking at some of these NFL players and there's a discussion over what to do. do about money because the NFL has told teams like, hey, you got to start lopping off some of this budget. We're going to have a budget. You're going to have a financial shortfall. In the short term, what happens with teams reporting and how do they save some of that money? I think that's a very challenging situation because as you see, the chiefs, I think it was the Texans. You know, football coaches just operate with football.

They deal with contracts with their players. I mean, they worry about that stuff. but they you know these football coaches are not consumed with the salary cap that's out of their control all that when you see that the chiefs reached out to these players to report all andy reed thinking is just he has week one circled and you know if he has to adapt and the season gets moved back or times changed then he'll adapt but he has to operate under those rules so i this is where it gets really complicated you have like think about you often hear these stories like in the military.

Like the guys on the front line are told to do things by these guys back at the base. And they're like, if these guys have no clue what they're talking about because they're back at the base, we're here and we shouldn't do this. And I think you see that sometimes in the league with these guys at Park Avenue in the league office. None of these guys have coached a team, ran a team. So you get these guys with these ideas, yet they have no, they don't understand how training camp works or what the protocols.

Because you see Richard Sherman and some of these guys tweeting, like, this doesn't make any sense. And you know what? It probably doesn't. But the coaches are in this. tough spot because no one really cares what they think until it comes to the games and then they do care what they think. But right now when it comes to the money, they're the last to know. And I think you see this kind of division of communication that just happens a lot in the NFL kind

of with the suits and then the coaches that just as much as it would shock people just aren't as consumed with the economics and the salary cap of the league probably as you think because they They don't control any of that. Okay, so do you think, I mean, what do you think the season looks like? Yeah, I am not going to get caught up because we saw this with baseball and we saw this with basketball. The tweets about this back and forth, I personally don't care at all. Because one thing we know always kind of the rise of the top and that's money. There's so much money on the line.

There's a reason the CBA, was it earlier this year, got signed, be just money. So they'll figure it out. Now, is it going to be easy? Is it going to be even possible? Probably not because you've seen Harbaugh and Sean McVeigh. It's pretty difficult to quote unquote social distance in the sport of football. And another thing I don't know if the public quite realized is like meeting rooms, despite being these billion dollar operations, these teams facilities, this is not college, aren't actually that big. Like the quarterback meeting room is like a tiny little classroom.

You know, there just isn't that much space, let alone practice where you're all touching each other. literally the point of football, right? You huddle. The quarterback touches the center every play. There are people tackled every play. The ball touches a bunch of guys. It's just hard. I don't know if it's realistic to try to follow these like these idealistic rules, you know,

that come along with Corona. And it just makes it very, very challenging. John Middukoff, our guest here, Doug Gottlieven for Colin. This is the herd. Derek Henry gets an extension. They were going to have to pay him 10 in change. Instead, it's 25 in change. for what's called a four-year contract,

but it feels like a two-and-a-half-three-year contract. I thought the rule was, don't give a guy a big second contract. And he's a guy who, it's a great trick, but he's a one-trick pony. You know, just a downhill force-of-nature type of runner. Do you like what Tennessee did? Yeah, I mean, you're basically just paying for,

he just turned 26 a little earlier this year, so 26 and 27 years old. and hoping he can just be essentially your horse, right? And he proved that at the end of the last year. I think it's a little bit risky, but I differentiate a deal in like the low to mid-20s and paying some of the running backs 45 to 50. Because to me, there's a big difference,

like really being on the hook for two years and being on the hook for four, right? That was the problem with Gurley. They gave him, what, like 45 guaranteed? That's basically an extra 20 of what Henry got. I think, you know, you kind of take care of them. in the sense, and this is where it gets tough, because the guy literally carried the team to the AFC championship. So how much money did he help make the franchise? I know you're not supposed to

look at that, but he's still, he's really valuable to them in the sense that he is a good player one. Like you said, he doesn't want to catch the ball, but in their scheme, they don't really ask him to, and they feel comfortable with them. Three, there's just a marketing element. Like, he's a star player from Alabama. They're in the South. You know, he's just kind of their guy. He's become a star. I can live with Pan, even a one-trick pony, given that he only really carries the ball. He doesn't catch the ball. In 2020, that's not ideal, but given how good he is at what they ask him to do. Okay. I'm really intrigued by this. John Middokoff, our guest here, Doug Gottlieb in for Colin here in the herd. How do you think the Patriots use Cam Newton?

That's a heck of a question. You know, I think we'd all be guessing, a little bit because they've never had anything close to that. It's definitely there have been rumors out there that they've desired to have whenever they moved on from Tom, a more mobile guy. To me, when I hear that, I think more like, even like a Jimmy Garapro,

just a guy that can throw on the move, things you can do bootlegs with. Obviously, Cam, if he's healthy, is much more than that. You would think, you know, given that Belichek studies football and even Josh,

like, is a big time grinder. Why wouldn't they implement just some, you know, Baltimore Ravens, some of the Kaepernick, you know, pistol, just mix it up a little bit. You know, if any team is going to implement schemes that they haven't run pretty quickly, it would be the Patriots, especially because Cam has done that before, right? I think when he won the MVP, what did he have double-digit rushing touchdowns? The Panthers forever, before he kind of got banged up these last couple years.

He used to run like quarterback power, you know, where they pull, basically just power what you run to a running back, but Cam would just keep the ball. Yeah, it's like single wing. Like single wing. It was unstoppable play. So you would think the Patriots, there's not a play that Belichick doesn't know how to, and Josh don't know how to install.

It's just going to be what Cam's health is, how they want to balance it. You know, they're not paying them anything. So could they just, when I was at Fresno State, I'll never forget Coach Hill once we knew Ryan Matthews was going to leave and eventually be a high pick. It was like, well, let's just keep giving him the rock because he ain't going to be here long.

So if Belichick, why don't you just keep giving Cam the Rock, he ain't going to be there that long potentially, so why not? Yeah, I guess the question, though, is, is he the same Cam Newton? Well, yeah, we don't know. I mean, if he is healthy, you try it out. If he's not, then that'll limit their playbook. So if he's not, and what I've heard, and I've told you this a bunch of time, the thing that most people I know in the league were more concerned of was the shoulder.

But not his foot was the shoulder. Yeah. Well, that's what I say, though. Like, you have people like, well, you know, he's got a big time arm. And he's, okay, you're using data. footage, right? The fact is that the Panthers, who felt like they knew him best,

brought in Norv Turner because I think they felt like running, they ran him too much and he was getting beaten up. And then he couldn't throw because his shoulder was screwed up. And when he came back, he changed his throwing motion and it wasn't good. So what leads us to believe that all of a sudden all that stuff is fixed?

Yeah, I think, and you know, the media views a lot of athletes, especially famous and guys that have a lot of success in whatever vacuum they were. when they were at their best, and that's not the way the real world works, but Belichick doesn't. So to me, Belichick doesn't come in, like, pigeonholed with Cam and what he's going to force him to do. He'll just take his time. They'll have ideas, and then they'll gauge wherever he's at physically.

Like, he's not, I don't think, putting that much stock into whatever he sees on Instagram. Sure. And once they put him through, the other thing is with the Patriots, there's no, there's no sacred cows. There's no, like, he doesn't just shoot. to the start of the front of the line. You know, it wouldn't shock me day one to practice. Like, Cam's not running with the once. Like, you've got to earn your stripes there.

So it's for as great and as much as we hype it up, and Belichick and Cam, and the combo and the Patriots, Cam Newton, we've seen it before with a lot of famous older players over the years that don't even make it through training camp. I mean, we can list all the, you know, the John Lynch's, the Reggie Wayne,

the, I mean, the Lyce. Jerry Rice. On and on. Jerry Rice's last year. Now, we don't think Cam, you know, is a little younger than those guys when they got there, but still, like, Belichick doesn't live off past performance. He just does not care. So Cam will have to earn his playing time or earn his starting job. Do we have a college football season?

I think we tried desperately, given not we. I mean, I have nothing to do with it. I mean, I hope. I mean, it pains me to think that we could be sitting here on Saturday. Now, you know, Roger, he'll change that schedule up quick. And if college is canceled, you'll start. start having NFL games on Saturday. But, yeah, I mean, I think it becomes a little more dire.

I think when you look at the SEC and the Big Ten and the Big 12, the amount of money they've been making, they just have so much incentive to attempt to play. Now, where it gets complicated, you know, is just with the student body, if they are not there to ask the football players that could just complicate matters and the media pressure and stuff, I think impacts college much, like the NFL does not care. Yeah, but the only thing, the only thing this. So the students aren't there. It makes it a safer environment for all players.

And many of those guys are taking online classes anyway. I agree. I'm just saying we all know the way I think it has the opportunity to play out, the counter arguments. And I think most guys want to be a college, right? Yep. They are the percentage of players that come from different areas that don't have the ability to test, they don't have the ability to eat, you know, just basic things that the media has no clue about.

And these football coaches know, even if you weren't able to play, you'd be better off having them there just train and hang out and keep, you know, take your online classes there. All right, playing some golf this weekend. I hope you hit him straight. We'll talk soon, okay? Have a good one, Doug. All right, that's John Middlethawth, three and out is, in fact, the podcast.

He joins us on The Herd. Let's get to Heardline News. Ryan Music. Is the Hurdline News. Talking some NFL there with John Middilcoff, so we will start with some NBA. James Hardin made his NBA bubble debut. and this is what he had to say about it.

I feel like I'm in a good place. Today was actually the first time that I actually played pickup, you know, some 5-on-5 contact in, you know, over a month. When you're actually out there, you get bombed and get up and down to court. It's totally different. So it felt really good today. I think I pushed myself through it today. And like I said, every single day, just continue to get better.

He also followed up by saying once Russell Westbrook gets back involved while he recovers from his positive COVID diagnosis, that they can compete with anyone. Or they can lose to anyone. Right? Like the thing about the Rockets is their style will be a departure, but one, there are going to be no secrets there. Like, it's going to be weird.

You'll be able to, you'll know everything, any play call, or whatever, any set. And there's not like a lot of sets or play calls that the Rockets will run. But it feels, you know, if you know how NBA playoff series go, usually after each game, there's an adjustment, and then there's adjustment to the adjustment. it goes game by game. They're kind of like, here's who we are.

So I don't know how they'll be that. It'll definitely come down to matchups. Definitely come down to matchups. I don't know. I thought they were a fun team, an interesting team, that could win a first round series. Now I'm not so sure just because I think the familiarity everyone will have with what they're doing will actually hurt them.

We'll stick with the NBA here, Doug. last night on TNT, Sir Charles. I heard this. Was asked to make a bold prediction for the NBA playoffs. Here's what he had to say. If the Portland Trailblazers get in the playoffs, they will beat the Los Angeles Lakers in the first round. What do you think?

That is a hot take from Sir Charles. Now, he was told to make a bold prediction. Yeah, it wasn't like he just said it off cuff. It was very specifically within the confine. of make a bold prediction. LeBron's never lost. Has he lost in the first round of the playoffs? Maybe when he's in Cleveland, I guess.

But is the number one seed? Don't think he... Look, Portland will... Portland's going to be interesting, right? They have Nirkage back. They have... What's dude's name from Gonzaga back? Zach Collins?

Zach Collins back as well. But yeah, I mean, do we think they're going to beat the Bronon and the Lakers? I do not. I do think that... you know, it will be a challenge for Caruso, who will end up having to check Damien Lillard. Like, it'll be a challenge, but, I mean, look, that's one of the things you have to understand. When you're doing a TV show and somebody says, make a bold prediction, it's a bold prediction.

Now, did they double back and say, do you think that will actually happen? He'd probably say, hell, no. But you told me to make a bold prediction, that's one. Right. And we'll love. Because they're not really an eight seed, right? Portland, if healthy, if right, doesn't be like they should be an eight seed. And the Lakers lost that momentum, don't have home court advantage,

and don't have two of their rotation guys, wouldn't really be a traditional one seat. Yeah, I mean, we talk a lot about the teams that we think are legitimate championship contenders, bucks, clippers, Lakers. But the team that's probably benefited the most from where they were when the season was still happening to now is definitely the trailblazers. And the Sixers are getting. Ben Simmons back. Those two.

That's true. Last one here. We'll finish up with some NFL, Doug. Some bad news. Executive Director of the NFL Players Association, DeMore Smith was talking earlier today. He shared some unfortunate numbers it looks like for some NFL teams and NFL players.

He said there are some estimates out there that each team could lose up to $70 million in 2020, making the salary cap almost flat with the projection of 120 in 2021. Yeah. It's going to be like if you don't think the, NFL teams are going to lose money. You have not been paying attention. You know, think about their revenue streams. And while they're losing money,

they're also carrying a big debt service with their stadiums. And they're not making every preseason game they cut. They cut two already. Those are money makers for NFL teams. And while you say, like, boo-hoo, well, look, the money they make it. That's football money. Goes into the pool. It's split up in a rev-share with the players,

and that goes to the salary cap. So this is a big thing. COVID has affected everybody else. Why wouldn't affect the NFL? That was always our biggest complaint with NFL players. I understand they would always have complaints about Thursday night football is the worst. But not one of them have I ever heard an NFL player ever go. Take back the money.

I hate playing on Thursday nights, but I love the fact that we all make a ton more money because of it. So a little bit of a contradiction. That's right. Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. I believe we have the greatest best for last in the history of the herd.

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Save an extra 15% when you switch by October 7th. Visit geico.com to learn more. Doug Gottliebind for calling, this is The Herd, and man, do we have a great best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. With all these NFL players making a huge deal about what their Madden rankings are, by the way, like Aaron Rogers in 89, okay, but behind Drew Brees in 93 and Tom Brady in 90, stop it. Stop it.

But it's a video game. Why is it important? Because Madden is the greatest video game franchise of all time, right? There are other great video game franchises, but, you know, COD and you could even go to, what's the one where you go around and you bash things up, bash up cars and stuff. God, why am I? Grand Theft Auto, right?

GTA, Grand Theft Auto as well. There are other great franchises. What I want to do was give you the top 10 greatest video games I've ever played. Now, would you have to keep in mind, don't worry about the gameplay as it compares to video games now. Of course, it's better. Everything is better now. But at the time, it was awesome. Here's my top 10.

Number 10. Was it left right, left, right, up, down, ABBA? Is that up, up, up, down, left right, BA, start. Contra was an incredible video game. Contra was an incredible video game. It was different than the movie Contra. Sally, I like you. I'll kill you last.

It's Arnold Schwarzenger. How was that? No? Anyway, awesome game. You run around and you shoot people. That's about it. But it was fun. It was good. Number nine. Golden Eye.

Who doesn't like a little James Bond, right? That was my... Sean Conrad Jim's Bond. GoldenEye's a great video game. One of the things is I actually won this video game, got to the actual end. It was a good movie, better video game, the best of the 007 video games.

Number eight. Mike Tyson Punchout. Bald Bull. Do you remember all the characters? You probably do. You know why? That means it's a great video game. Mike Tyson was the meanest, toughest, scariest dude on the face of the planet,

and he had a video game where you could pretend to be Mike Tyson and Kung Fu Panda would go into his little. little kung fu act and you could beat him? Yeah. Yeah. Number seven. NFL Blitz. Now, again, Madden the greatest NFL franchise and frankly, probably a better game, but in college, we had some wars over NFL Blitz. Mike Johnson and Kansas City, Missouri, if you're listening, yes, I don't know how you lost every single game. And thank you for all the beer money that I made off of you. Number six. Zelda, the legend of the original. I know this has become a franchise. There were two legends of

of Remo, Remo Williams The Adventure Begins. I think that ended. That was actually a movie. And there was a legend of Zelda, which no one had ever heard was a legend that became a video game. It was super fun. Number five. RC Pro Am.

Remember the little RC carts? Then you had the little nitrous and it was, that was cool. Part of it was I never had an RC remote control car as a kid. And this was the closest thing I had to it. Number four. RBI baseball. Again, other.

better game play games. But first of all, the first one came out when the Mets won the World Series and Bill Buckner, right? Angels were good. I was an angel guy. The Tigers were good. He had unbelievable pitchers. RBI baseball was the goat in baseball games. Number three. Lakers, Celtics, and the NBA playoffs.

That was an EA sports franchise. It was then Lakers Bulls in the NBA playoffs as well. I just, I know there's NBA jam. Arch rivals used to punch each other. That was a better arcade game. the video game. Lakers Celtics was the first one that you'd go deep on the bench, and the players were a lot like the players in the real NBA.

Number two. I'm going to stick with basketball. Double dribble. Double dribble. Double dribble and Blades of Steel both, I think, Kamani games, and I dominated both. If you played a two-player game and you went from right to left, you almost never missed a three in the corner.

Anyway, I know all the tricks, and I'm awesome. Double dribble. Number one. NHL 94. Had fighting. had one-timers. It actually made me watch hockey during a time when I was watching hockey

because Gretzky was in L.A. with the Kings. NHL-94, the greatest video game during its time that I ever play. And that's our best for last. Oh, we honorable mention all Maddens, Rainbow 6, Super Mario Brothers, the original one, Super Mario

Brothers, and Tecmo Bowl. Tecmo Bowl is a bit overrated because Bo Jackson was so awesome. It had four plays, kids. There was no audibles. It wasn't a game play. It was just, you know, it, because Bo Jackson was so awesome and because you could run off the screen and into the other side of the screen, I think people look at it in more glowing fashion than it actually should have been. Do you know what this is? This is our last weekend without real sports. No offense. Sorry, golf guy. Without like one of the big three sports. Baseball starts next

Thursday. So I guess I don't know if you do honey-doos. It's like weird. Usually you should reserve this time for like the end of August because in September it's like football. It's football. I got Saturday football. I got Sunday football. I got Sunday football. I got Monday football. And then I get to talk about football. And you have baseball playoffs.

We're not yet to NBA. NFL not back, but it's close to being reporting. But you have like legit baseball games. Yankees Red Sox is next Thursday. Is that right? Yankees somebody next Thursday. So this is the last weekend. Which is weird, though, because you.

Usually it's a weekend where you're like, all right, I got to do something this weekend because next weekend I'll be watching ball. But one, you'll remember baseball can kind of be boring, right? Can kind of be boring. And two, if you haven't been doing stuff around the house, what have you been doing? What have you been doing? Oh, it's Yankees National. My bad. Yankees National.

Thank you, in the meantime, I guess you react to the Redskins or Washington football team, whatever we want to call it, Washington Post story. Look, you can, Dan Snyder can be a jerk, can be a despicable guy, could stuck by the nickname way too long. But just based upon that article, yeah, there's some bad guys that all got fired from the Redskins. I don't, though the buck stops there, I just, I don't see a way in which the NFL forces him to sell the team. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is the herd. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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