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Episode Date: July 12, 2025

Nick Wright reacts to rumors that LeBron James may be traded from the Los Angeles Lakers after just half a season alongside Luka Doncic. Nick breaks down why he finds it ridiculous that LeBron is not ...commanding the same attention on the trade market as Kevin Durant did before his trade from the Phoenix Suns to the Houston Rockets. Did LeBron send LA a warning with his reaction, or lack of a reaction, to the Lakers acquiring Deandre Ayton? Later, Nick breaks down why it is ridiculous for people to rank Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen or Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson higher than Patrick Mahomes heading into the 2025 NFL season. Nick also explains why people who are doubting his Kansas City Chiefs clearly don't know what they are talking about. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:10 Welcome to the best of the week for What's Right with Nick Wright. The best takes and moments from this week on the show. Enjoy. So LeBron opted into his $52 million contract and then came the trade rumors. Rich Paul came out with a statement and said LeBron knows the Lakers are building for the future. He understands that, but he values a realistic chance of winning it all. you thought they were going to come away with a sinner. They ended up in DeAndre Hayton, who was a sinner?
Starting point is 00:02:39 But something about this whole process has been peeing you off. Do you care to share with the audience? Yeah. So I have just been mystified at the combination of misinformation, disingenuous commentary, and almost, huffing and puffing from the media like, oh, I guess we're forced to talk about LeBron again. What the fuck else has happened in free agency? The Kevin Durant trade that all of us knew was coming, that we talked about that.
Starting point is 00:03:22 That was awesome. That was exciting. Other than that, it's been the deadest free agency imaginable. One team had cap space. it was the Nets. They, they decided to use it just to take other teams bad contracts. There, Shams was telling us a month ago, this could be the craziest offseason ever. Nothing's happened. Other than the Durant move, the most notable move is Norman Powell, getting traded to Miami. Norman Powell, who by the way, oddly enough, the, the only time
Starting point is 00:03:56 Norman Powell's been discussed on, regularly on podcasts and TV shows, aside from once focused on the Clippers, was a different LeBron James thing when people were like, oh, won't anyone think of Norman Powell and his All-Star spot if LeBron knew he wasn't going to play? And so, but I, but I'm listening to and reading folks basically be like, all right, I guess we'll feed the content and engagement monster and have the boring, tired discussion of, could LeBron James be traded? You mean the greatest player of all time? Or you know what, to not argue with folks, the at worst second greatest player of all time who's never been traded, who is open now potentially to being traded, that's a boring
Starting point is 00:04:51 discussion, we'd rather talk about the Pacers losing Miles Turner because they don't want to pay the tax because Halliburton got hurt. That's what we'd rather talk about, Cam Whitmore for two second round picks. Like, what are we doing? This is, and it's not lost on me today, this very moment, is the 15-year anniversary. I didn't know that until I saw an article written about it this morning today's the 15 year anniversary of the decision which means we've had 15 years of enhanced more round the clock more 12 month a year 365 day NBA transaction interest from player empowerment to the owners trying to rustle it back super teams homegrown all of it it came because LeBron and Maverick put together a TV show and changed the whole paradigm.
Starting point is 00:05:55 And 15 years later, he's still one of, if not the most interesting person in the league. And folks who cover the league for a living seem almost resentful that this is a story. So I don't understand that. But that's, I guess, a matter of taste. that's a personal preference, so be it. But then there is what I consider the outright misinformation might be too strong, especially in today's climate, but just misleading and incorrect, I guess, opinions on LeBron's money and LeBron's value and LeBron's impact on winner.
Starting point is 00:06:45 because here's what I know. Last year we played, we had an offseason, by the way, we're in the Olympics. They had a whole, all the best players in the world came together in Paris to play a basketball tournament. And then they voted on who was the most valuable player in that tournament. And it was LeBron James. Now, I argued you could have gone co-MVPs because LeBron carried the team up until the final. and then Steph was so utterly brilliant in the semifinal and the final. If you wanted to split the baby, so be it.
Starting point is 00:07:21 That's fine. But he won the MVP of that. Then this year, we had a whole NBA season. And then the entirety of basketball media voted on awards. And after this season, if your name was not, Shea Gilges Alexander, Nikola Yokic, Janice Antenacompo, Jason Tatum, or Donovan Mitchell, basketball media said, You were not as valuable as LeBron James. Those are the five guys that finished higher an MVP voting.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Those are the five guys who received more first team all NBA votes. That's the entire list. Not Steph, not Kauai, not Durant, not who's the younger guys that I'm leaving out. Not Cade, not Halliburton in the regular season. He obviously came on huge in the postseason. None of those guys. we had an awards we had a season sixth most first team all NBA votes
Starting point is 00:08:24 sixth most sixth in the MVP voting and the reason I bring that up is then the discussion around LeBron James being the 13th highest paid player was well doesn't LeBron understand that a huge impediment to winning is his salary
Starting point is 00:08:47 in what world in what world is the leagues i don't know all be conservative eighth best player being the 13th highest paid player an impediment to winning we we just saw the golden state warriors trade for and then extend jimmy butler and the narrative surrounding that is that open steps championship window Jimmy Butler makes more money than LeBron and is worse than LeBron. Age. Say it again. But no, I'm talking about the right now.
Starting point is 00:09:30 The right now, because by the way, I would bet LeBron's got as many all-MBA caliber seasons, more all-MBA caliber seasons left in him than Jimmy Butler does. Jimmy Butler's done being an all-MBA player. LeBron was last year. And Steph and LeBron probably have about. the same amount of seasons left, give or take. And I'm talking about the here and the now. People thought that the Warriors made a great move,
Starting point is 00:10:00 giving Jimmy Butler that money. And it's a touch more than LeBron makes, and he's a worse player. Great player, but a worse player. In what universe is LeBron James making less than Carly Anthony, pounds and the same as Paul George, a bad contract. Not a world where he was second team all NBA and sixth and MVP voting. So there's that piece of it, that if you're the seventh or eighth best player in the sport,
Starting point is 00:10:36 and you're the 13th highest paid player in the sport, you're on a bargain contract. Then there was this piece of it. well if he was really focused on winning he should have taken less to help the lakers and that was that is a understandable opinion by fans and a just abhorrent job by the media in perpetuating that because lebron james if he had cut his salary de monse from 50 to If he had opted out of the 52 and said, you know what, I'll play for twin. You know how much cap space that opens up for the Los Angeles Lakers? Zero dollars.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Not a penny because they're that far over the cap already. If LeBron James had said, I'll go from 52 million to the league minimum, it would have opened up roughly $10 million in cap space for the Lakers. 10 million bucks. So this idea that the Lakers could have been these major players in free agency if LeBron had simply taken a discount is belied by just the facts. And it's also, it's also a, and we all know this is true, a disingenuous discussion. Because had LeBron, let's say LeBron opted out. and said, I'm going to be a free agent.
Starting point is 00:12:18 And guess what, guys? I'm going to play for the minimum. The entire conversation would be about stacking the deck, unfair, fake ring, like that. So there was him simply saying, I don't know, I'm the 13th highest paid guy in the league. I'm probably pretty underpaid. And that's even before you consider all of the off court stuff that I, bring to the table so yeah i'll just play for my 50 million is more than totally reasonable was there like so he go you have to but he opted into the contract like what what would his other options have been
Starting point is 00:13:00 you know he could have opted out and been a free agent he could have opted out and been a free agent and signed anywhere for the literally anywhere for the league minimum and leave 50 million on the table or a lot of places for the mid-level, which is about 14 million bucks. And the only team that could have signed him for more than $14 million would have been the nets, which would have made no sense. So those were, go ahead. And why did he not do that? Are you saying, like, because he thought the Lakers were going to do a better job with securing a better. Well, I mean, I think that there's, I think it's a, I don't think there is a perfect solution here for, for. you know what they're trying to accomplish all these things and i'm a big um believer of you can't
Starting point is 00:13:52 have everything you want in life and sometimes like you you know you have to make tradeoffs i'm not sitting here arguing that the lakers owe him something more than they owe lucca which is to try to win a damn championship this season and i'll get to the lakers piece of it in a minute i'm not saying that there is a perfect solution for what he's trying to accomplish. What I'm saying is the narrative that, A, a huge impediment to winning is, you know, when you pay a player way more than he's worth, that's going to hurt you.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Like the example of people use is, you know, Kobe at the end. When LeBron was, according to NBA voters, which I am not, was the sixth best player in the league last year. So that part is to me just erroneous. Then there is the, okay, you've made over a billion dollars. You want the Lakers to be more competitive, take less money, Dirk style, and give them flexibility. When you look at it, that him taking less money would not have given them any flexibility. And then there is this other part of it, which I mentioned on TV yesterday, and it was the way it was captioned, made it seem like more of a shot at Durant than I wanted it to be.
Starting point is 00:15:34 But I said what I said, which was, and this is the part to me, de Monze, that I find no one can explain this to me correctly. nobody do who do you think right right now this moment and there's no wrong answer here to monzae because you might disagree with me who do you think right now this moment is better durant or lebron and do you think it's close in either direction off it offensively i'd say kevin durand but as far as the better player the better player like just yeah better all around I'd have to give it to LeBron. But either way, it's pretty close probably, right? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:16:21 Like if one guy's the eighth best player in the league, the other guy's the 10th best player in the league, or nine and 12 or whatever. Right. Right. So I, and despite the age, I think we can agree that LeBron is the more durable player has been. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:16:40 The LeBron is less likely to make. miss 30 games with an injury. That's just, that's not a matter of opinion. We just, we just know it, okay? So here's what I don't understand. Kevin Durant was available for trade. And the media lost its mind. Who should go after him? These are the teams. Durant doesn't want the Minnesota. Should Minnesota trade for him anyway? If you trade for him, do you just, do you want to just give him a contract? The Rockets were the. two seed gave up their leading score, a valuable defender who I don't like in Dylan Brooks, and the 10th pick of the draft. And everyone's reaction was like, what a great job by the Rockets.
Starting point is 00:17:31 They might win the title. A guy who at the very least is as good as Durant, and I think a touch better is available, potentially, and the same media's like, who'd fucking want him? I mean, real like, it doesn't make any sense. That's why I don't understand. stand. Like last year, last year, LeBron was better than Steph. They are similar. LeBron's older, but again, like at kind of similar places in their career. Steph's team was in 24 and 25 when they traded for Jimmy Butler, you felt like it made them contenders. They lost to the Timberwolves and five in the playoffs. LeBron's team was hanging on to the three four seed. They trade for Luca. You felt like it made
Starting point is 00:18:19 them contenders. They lost two, the Timberwolves and five in the playoffs. That's like they had after very similar Olympics, very similar seasons. LeBron finished higher an MVP and all NBA voting, but it was very close, right? If Steph Curry had released a statement like, I don't know about the future of the Warriors, and people thought he might be available, it would be a full stop freak out about what teams should package what things to try to get him. And we just saw it happen with Durant when last year, LeBron was better than both those guys. And the collective reaction is, well, I guess maybe, maybe a team or two should make a courtesy call. and a collective eye roll of, I can't believe we're having this discussion.
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Starting point is 00:24:27 see dkng.com slash audio. So Aiden is getting settled in in in L.A., getting all comfy and all that. Lucas sent him a welcome message. You know, welcome to LA, DeAndre Aden. excited to play with you next year. LeBron James has not said anything to him, though. Is there something to read into here? It's not nothing.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Yeah. So this, DeAndre did this interview two days ago, I think. Whatever it was, the interview that he did, we played a piece of on the TV show yesterday. And we did not play this piece because it was a radio interview in L.A. And I, you know, I hadn't, I didn't know that this was said. So credit to whomever clipped this and, you know, posted it because I didn't,
Starting point is 00:25:31 I hadn't listened to the full 15 minute or whatever radio interview it was. and so I had only seen kind of what had made mainstream, so to speak. But I saw this and I was like, oh, well, that's something. So, and the reason it's something is because it is either, how do I phrase this properly? LeBron's not going to be there? Well, that doesn't you talk to him? It's not, that is, so that is by no means like, oh, lock it in because of that, this. But it certainly added a little more fuel to the idea that LeBron James might not be a Laker next year.
Starting point is 00:26:29 That it's that, so if famously, or I shouldn't, I don't know if it's famous, but at least to me it is, LeBron, when he announced he was going back to Cleveland, and he did it with Lee Jenkins in an SI article, he listed all the guys he was excited to be playing with with the Caps. And he had not listed number one overall pick from a week prior, Andrew Wiggins. And one way to read that was the article was, the article was written before the draft or that he was, you know, he was only thinking about or
Starting point is 00:27:13 including the active veterans. And another way to look at it was LeBron expected that they would be trading Wiggins as part of getting a veteran win now guy. And that is exact. And so he did not want to include Andrew Wiggins when he did not think he was ever going to be playing with Andrew Wiggins, which is, uh, exactly what they did so here are before i give my opinion on what i what i think this actually is let's lay out all of the available pot options for this and we can you know put a percentage on
Starting point is 00:27:54 each of them at the end option one busy guy forgot that's like again like these are not power ranked in order. I'm just saying if we want to lay out all of the possibilities, right? Option one, busy guy forgot. I guess option two is not that busy, didn't forget, but has some feud with DeAndre Ait and we didn't know about and he's furious about this trade. I would say of all these, that's probably the least likely. I think if there was a DeAndre Ate and LeBron Beef, we would have known about it, right? Option three, he did. And DeAndre, didn't see the text. DeAndre's wrong. He, because he said Luca texted him and LeBron didn't. So at night and he didn't say anyone talked to him on the phone. It missed the text.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Got so many texts that, you know, when the news broke that he got a text from a number that he didn't have. It was like, yo, congrats, man. Let's get it. And he was like, okay, whatever. And it turns out that's LeBron James. Again, these are not power ranked in order. I'm just trying to lay out all of the available possibility. those first three, by the way, slim to very, very slim, but they're on the possibilities. All right, now the more salacious ones. That LeBron does not want to tell DeAndre Aitin, excited to play with you,
Starting point is 00:29:28 when he does not know if he will be playing with him. And then the last option is LeBron wants to, expects to be playing with DeAndre Aiton, but wants to keep maximum pressure on the Lakers to make every move possible to make their team better going into this year. And the only leverage he has over them right now is the specter of, well, maybe I don't think I'm going to be on this team. That, to me, those are the, those five possibilities cover, you know, 99% of the, call it 100% of what the reason could be. Here's how I would apply the likelihood of each. my first draft pick of that would be
Starting point is 00:30:36 LeBron thinks he's going to be on the Lakers did not reach out to DeAndre because he had a feeling it would become public that he had not yet reached out to DeAndre and wants to keep the pressure on Rob Polinka to continue to improve the roster which if we're being honest they have had a
Starting point is 00:31:02 underwhelming offseason. On that note, if I may, then I'll get back to the percentages parts because Brew and I got into this yesterday. Going into this off season, we felt like the Lakers, it was an absolute lock and mandatory that they upgrade the center position. They did do that,
Starting point is 00:31:26 and they did that in an interesting way where they didn't have to give up assets, where it didn't cost them a lot of money. And the talent upside is quite high, but it's also a guy who's six years into his career has been unreliable and not that mature and really alienated teammates and coaches. So I really think LeBron James is like,
Starting point is 00:31:47 man, y'all got D'Andre Aiden, that's not the center I wanted. I'm not texting. I'm not welcoming. Oh. Oh. So you, oh, so you think, oh, I should have included that one, I guess, as an option.
Starting point is 00:31:58 What is that? LeBron is, LeBron is pissed that it was a, yeah. Oh, so I didn't actually, so the reason I didn't even think of that, but that's obvious, I definitely should have. I guess that's kind of that, you know, in the pocket of DeAndre has some beef. Right. Oh, yeah, for sure. So here's the reason that I'm, I don't, put a pin in that real quick. And let me finish this other thought, then we'll get to that one.
Starting point is 00:32:28 that's good. I'm glad you mentioned that one. So they did get a center and we can argue about if it was their best option, if it was the best of bad options, whatever it is. But the rest of the roster not only remained basically unchanged, but got a touch worse because switching out Doreen Finney Smith for Jake LaRavia is at the very least in the short term a downgrade. And so there would be real frustration there. So I would put, LeBron expects to be a Laker, but wants to keep the screws on the Lakers to continue to make moves as the reason for him not reaching out. I would put that at 65%.
Starting point is 00:33:19 I think that is the biggest percentage here. I would put, LeBron didn't reach out because he does not think he's going to. to be a Laker next year at 20%. I think there is a one in five shot right now that LeBron thinks, yeah, I'm not gonna be on the team. Now that's not huge, but it's not nothing. It's more likely than rolling a single die and rolling a six or any number on the die, any particular number on the die.
Starting point is 00:34:04 So 65% he's trying to keep the pressure on him. 20% he doesn't think he's going to be there. I will give Demonses, he, you know, this is not the player he wanted. And therefore, he didn't reach out at 5%. I will certainly. massively upgrade de Manzay's theory if we found out he did reach out to Jake Laravia. If he was like, yo, man, let's get it. Then your likelihood is way, way higher.
Starting point is 00:34:47 I will put it at busy guy just didn't do it at 5%. And that leaves what? Oh, that leaves five more percent left. And I will put it at, he did. reach out. DeAndre Aiton didn't have the number saved and did not know it was LeBron. It was like, why is this person texting me with a crown at 4%. And I will put, there is a longstanding, maybe based, maybe out of loyalty to his buddy Chris Paul, DeAndre Aiton Beef at 1%. So that's how I handicap this whole thing. It's not nothing, though.
Starting point is 00:35:31 So that's my takeaway. It's not nothing. And I am interested in the next time. Because you know what's also not nothing, DeMonzee? If we're doing the not nothing meter, the Lakers who sent out a bunch of press releases about a bunch of offseason moves, the Lakers not sending out a press release. about LeBron
Starting point is 00:36:03 opting into his player option. That's also not nothing. Now, does that mean it's everything? That's the social media guy. No, no, no, no. This press releases come from the team. Like, your official press release is released by the team and sent to all NBA media.
Starting point is 00:36:24 You want to know the most famous NBA press release ever? Hold on. I want to quote it to you exactly. this is an all-time one. So Pat Riley, who's never, my light just fell. Do I still look okay?
Starting point is 00:36:38 I hope so. So Pat Riley, on official in Miami Heat letterhead sent out to the league, league comes, and everyone covering the league. After
Starting point is 00:36:56 Danny Ainge, took a shot at Pat Riley. So let me give the background. Danny Ains told Boston, this is 2013, Danny Ains told Boston radio station, W.E.I. That LeBron James had no cause to challenge officials for failing to classify fouls assessed as Kirk, Heinrich, and Tage Gibson as flagrant.
Starting point is 00:37:25 He said, quote, I think the referees got the call right. I don't think it was a hard foul. I think the one involving LeBron against Boozer, that was a flagrant. I think the officials got it right. I think that it's almost embarrassing that LeBron would complain about officiating. And so Danny Aange, who was running the Celtics, comments on the radio about something that was happening between the heat and the Bulls. So Pat Riley has the Miami. Jimmy Heat press office type up an official press release that reads, and I quote, Danny Ains needs to shut the fuck up and manage his own team.
Starting point is 00:38:11 He was the biggest whiner going when he was playing, and I know that because I coached against him. End of statement. I like that right. At all time. At all time, I'll take the fine, but I've never liked this guy. I coached against him. We now play against him.
Starting point is 00:38:32 And I quote, Danny Ains needs to shut the fuck up and manage his own team. He was the biggest whiner going when he was playing, and I know that because I coached against him. Oh, my goodness gracious. Danny Ains then, again, I don't know why we're doing this. Ains then replies, I stand by what I said.
Starting point is 00:38:52 That's all. I don't care about Pat Riley. He can say whatever he wants. But this is just Danny Ains. talking. This isn't a press release. This is Danny and then Ains added, I don't want to mess up his Armani suits and all that hair goop. It would be way too expensive for me.
Starting point is 00:39:11 And so, I mean, this is that's so, sorry about that. I mean, Pat Riley's just such a legend. I mean, he's just such a legend. I remember when that came out. And I was like, I didn't even know that was like a loud. Like, in official communications. I guess, you know, what a simpler time. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?
Starting point is 00:39:35 We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about... what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band
Starting point is 00:40:06 before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad,
Starting point is 00:40:19 Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:40:54 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smyg, and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jenchian win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted.
Starting point is 00:41:26 She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Yeah, so Mahomes wants to get past that Super Bowl loss and get that nasty taste out of his mouth.
Starting point is 00:42:49 And he's also getting tired of all the talk saying that he wants to just settle all this on the football field. Yeah. This is another thing that really annoyed you, which I'm curious what the angle is here. What, what paged you off? Well, it's not, no, no, no. His comments didn't annoy me. The comments of the last week, which was, so here's the deal. If someone wants to have the courage to come out and be like, you know what, you know, here's
Starting point is 00:43:25 a take, free take for someone who wants it. Okay? Like it's just sometimes, sometimes I'm disappointed in my industry because there are these, I can see these. I'm like, oh, that would be a good take. I don't believe it, but no one has made, had this take. And it's right there. And I know it would cut through the noise and it, you could establish yourself with it and no one, no one, no one has said it. Now I don't believe this. This is not my take. So consider this like the the sports take version of developing some type of vaccine or cure for something and be like, we're not patenting it. Anyone can copy it, free for the world, public use. Here's a take. the last few years
Starting point is 00:44:28 Patrick Mahomes has pretty clearly not been judged based on his numbers he's been judged based on the fact that his team wins that he is a leader that he plays his best in the biggest spots
Starting point is 00:44:48 and that is how he has held on to the best quarterback alive moniker, despite the fact that his two biggest conference rivals, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, both won league and VPs in this time. And if that has allowed Mahomes to climb to the top of the quarterback mountain,
Starting point is 00:45:19 then the exact same standard should be used to evaluate. eight Jalen Hertz. And Jalen Hertz, who's never missed the playoffs, whose team wins double-digit games every year, who's been to two Super Bowl, has been awesome in both. Some would argue outplayed Mahomes in both, certainly in this last one, and has done it with what, you know, let's call it a polarizing coach and a polarizing receiver. in a tough city and now is coming off, you know, leading an offense to damn near a hundred points combined in the conference championship game in the Super Bowl and puts his body on the line,
Starting point is 00:46:16 doesn't care about his passing numbers for the most unstoppable play in football. That player, the defending Super Bowl MVP, he's the best quarterback alive. End of take. That take is, again, I do not believe it, but it doesn't have a ton of logical holes if someone wanted to have it. Instead, these dopes want to knock Mahomes off his perch
Starting point is 00:46:59 of best quarterback in the league, and they are doing it for one of three quarterbacks, really one of two and mostly one of just one, who's never once outplayed him in a big spot. It's the majority of quarterback rankings list right now at Josh Allen number one, which is hilarious and indefensible. And it is not an allowable. take until one time in a spot that matters.
Starting point is 00:47:41 It's not a quarterback Wednesday. He outplays Patrick. And the last two years, one in his building, one in the chief's building, he's had the ball in his hands chance to go do it. And it couldn't get 40 yards either time. So that's not allowed. Lamar can win every MVP from here until retirement. And until he wins a single big game, it's obviously.
Starting point is 00:48:05 not allowed. And Joe Burrow had outplayed Patrick in a big spot, had a chance to really put a stake in the heart of the Chiefs through fourth quarter interception, the conference championship game, lost, and hasn't been back to the playoffs since. And the amount of people trying to argue any one of those three guys has ascended past Patrick because Patrick got beat by jail and hurts and they played poorly in Super Bowl. It's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You then combine it with this whole, ooh, so the Chiefs era over. Based on what? That they were just the second best team in football last year? Based on the fact that they just completed the best three-year stretch in the history of the league and are tied for the best five and seven-year stretches in the
Starting point is 00:49:08 of the league. What is the piece of evidence you have? Like, oh, this might be the Broncos or chargers here. There is not. And so the, again, the Eagles have bragging rights and Jalen Hertz has bragging rights. And the Eagles have it because they won as a team. And Jalen Hertz has it because individually he played, you know, he was the best quarterback on the field that Sunday. but these a fc also rands that are being elevated because of what i just i can't i can't deal with it's just one time get one time can i just see it's what i said to that guy in hawaii this guy i'm walking I I I'm walking with the family down the boardwalk in Honolulu and this guy walks up to me and it's like a man this is Bill's country out here in my in my head I'm like no it's fucking not
Starting point is 00:50:18 man we're it's actually I'm not sure there's a place in the United States that is that is that is further removed literally geographically, but also spiritually from Buffalo, New York, as the boardwalk in Honolulu. Like, first of all, it's just a bad take. Second of all, get a life. I got out a few drinks. But I didn't say any of that. I'm like, okay, nice to meet you.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Like five minutes later, he runs me down. And was like, hey, man, I'm so sorry I said that. Can I please get a picture? And I'm like, sure. So I take the picture. He's like, yeah, man, thanks. Sorry about that. I'm like, it's all right.
Starting point is 00:51:11 But then I couldn't resist because I was like, I'm with my wife and kids. So I was like, I was like, hey, and listen, man, one day you'll win a big game. And I saw a look on his face and it stung. You know why it stung? The same reason why when people, people put up that picture of me and my homes a couple parades ago where I'm smiling and my nose is casting a shadow on my teeth. It stings because I know it's true. I'm like, damn, that is weird. That is like a thing that most people like it shouldn't be physically possible,
Starting point is 00:51:47 but it's a picture. It does cast a shadow. It does cast a shadow. Like that sucks. but that's why it stung him because he knows it's true and so i just don't that i it is it's really beyond dumb to me the the every other let me add one other thing and i said this to cowherd and he just laughed because he knew i was right not just like this year, but basically for all of modern NFL history. If there is a team in a division that everyone agrees, the same team has the division's best quarterback and the division's best coach, that team will be the pick to win that division. If there's no debate, like, it's just like, so I'll give you an example. In FC West, there's a debate,
Starting point is 00:53:12 is McVeigh or Shanahan the best coach? And I guess for some, there might be a debate is purdy or staff or the best quarterback. Not to me, but what I, like, there's, it's not often. there that it is crystal clear on both but when it is uh that team is everyone's picked to win the division and the amount of people this year they're going to pick fucking bo necks sorry for all the curse words today to win that division or justin herbert who again i i don't i don't know if he's won a big game since high school and i have to look at the high school i don't think he did at Oregon um i it's just it's just dumb you know what i just i just um people get fickle with the greatness i don't know people just don't yeah sometimes you're just doing it too much you heard it
Starting point is 00:54:10 but they think we have the next trent williams and josh simmons oh boy oh boy now that might be a little strong trilliams one of the greatest players of all time but if they just if josh simmons just ends up being the 10th best tackle left tackle in the league slightly above average it is such a i mean my home's been to five super rules he had different starting left tackle in all five it would be just such a massive massive value as that can be the case worse o line situation yet right well over the course of this no the thing is what what's weird is the chiefs had a really good guard, center guard. O line this year.
Starting point is 00:54:59 It was the worst tackle play he's had. And previously they had been bad up the middle, but good. And so it got really shaky by the end of it. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick.
Starting point is 00:55:14 And guess what? We created our own podcast called. Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Street.
Starting point is 00:55:54 reader Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Conky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast.
Starting point is 00:56:21 I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became. one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:56:43 I'm Joey Dardano. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to get. of good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to me. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest
Starting point is 00:57:08 people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite Wednesdays on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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