The Herd with Colin Cowherd - What’s Wright - Best Of - Is Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer? MAJOR CONCERNS for Ravens ahead of clash with Chiefs | Nick Wright

Episode Date: September 28, 2025

Nick Wright breaks down why Russell Wilson is not a Hall of Famer following the New York Giants' decision to start Jaxson Dart in Week 4 of the NFL season. Next, Nick shares his major concerns with Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens following their Monday Night Football loss to the Detroit Lions. Nick then looks ahead to Baltimore's clash with Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, and the Kansas City Chiefs. Which 1-2 AFC contender has more to lose? #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the best of the week for What's Right with Nick Wright. The best takes and moments from this week on the show. Enjoy. So they are not letting Russ Cook anymore in New York. It's Jackson Dart time. They put him in a kind of a weird time. This could be a blessing or a curse.

They are playing the Chargers and they have a top-ranked defense. How do you see things going for Jackson Dart and the Giants? I think they might get a temporary shot in the arm. I'm not right. Listen, they're in New York. I think that defense is good. I am giving the Giants maybe a bigger chance than I should at making this a real game and then seeing what Jackson Dart can do.

When Daniel Jones took over, you know, not a few years ago, but a half decade ago, his first game, I think it was against. Tampa. He comes in, plays well, they steal a win. They're feeling good. Now, that team didn't end up being very good, but like in that moment, because I do think they were out on Russ. I am not as big on the Jackson Dart aura as other people are, but people seem to really like him. I guess we'll, you know, we'll see a guy strikes me as a little bit of like a frat bro, but whatever. I, I am open. been i i liked him um evidently that that chain isn't a chain it's his sister's necklace that he yeah the um yeah so like he borrowed it from her wore it now he wears it for good luck

i don't have that full story um i think it's been reported out out elsewhere um but they seem very excited about him to me the bigger story is about russ is his career over And is he a Hall of Famer? And my answer to those questions are, yes, his career is over, and no, he's not a Hall of Famer. And it is stunning how quickly this ended for him. It doesn't feel stunning because it feels like he's been bad for years now, which he has been. But Russell Wilson forced his way out of Seattle. The Broncos gave up a king's ransom for him and then paid him early a huge deal and he immediately was terrible.

And it was, it was not that long ago that people thought the Broncos were going to be a real threat because they got Russell Wilson. It was September of 2022 that they gave up multiple first round picks, gave him a huge deal, and then he and Nat Hackett lost that opening game to Gino and the Seahawks, and it's just been a disaster for him ever since. And I understand he has a good career winning percentage, and I understand that he has, you know, nine pro bowls, 10, no, 10 pro bowls because he oddly made the pro bowl last year. And listen, he was a really, really good player in Seattle.

But in his, during his career, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees, Big Ben, Patrick, Josh, Lamar. We're all Hall of Fame quarterbacks during his career. Philip Rivers was, in my opinion, better than Russ. I don't know that Rivers is getting in. Eli, I don't know that I think Eli was better than Russ, but Eli has the two Super Bowls versus one,

and Eli, I don't think, is getting in, at least not anytime soon. he didn't have as high of a peak as cam newton or matt ryan who are not getting in and the longevity part is not there for him he he had nine good to excellent years and that's it and for a quarterback you need more there was it's hard to find more than one year where he was a consensus top five quarterback it's impossible to find one year where he was a consensus top three quarterback and so I just don't think he's a Hall of Famer he was on a Hall of Fame trajectory and if Malcolm Butler doesn't pick that ball off and it is he has the

greatest start to a career in the history of the league a year one takes team to divisional round of the playoffs year two wins the super bowl over patent manning year three wins the super bowl over tom brady but malcolm butler did pick that ball off and the fact of the matter is the best teams he was on good teams that he was the centerpiece of he was on great teams that he was the caretaker of and i just don't think he's a hall ofamer And I don't know At this point, DeMonsay, I don't know Like, are the Bengals going to call

And try to get him? I don't think so. Like, I don't know where he goes. And he has a starter or is just a backup, right? We're talking backup. No, I'm talking about the Bengals as a starter right now. Oh, okay, yeah. Like with Burrow out.

But the Broncos traded for him. They were done with him after a year. and a half. The Steelers signed him. They were done with him after a half year starting. The Giants signed him. They were done with him after three games started. I just think it's over.

And it's a pretty crummy ending. And so I don't, but like, to me, he's not a Hall of Fame player. He's a really good player with a really good career, but not a Hall of Fame player. and it sure seemed like the Giants could not wait to move on from him. As far as the Giants thought process here, Danny's been making this point and I think he's right. If Jackson Darts ready now, he was probably ready in week one. And if he wasn't ready in week one, he's probably not ready now. But I think that Brian Dable doesn't want to deal with,

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That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball like. After you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Farrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah.

This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip, just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey With all the snacks and drink Sidebar why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer?

Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would.

Come on. I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer.

I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, DeMonte. A tough night for your Baltimore Ravens and take us through before we get to it. So last night, my Baltimore Ravens, we coughed up another one. Lamar was running for his life. Derek Henry with another costly fumble.

Detroit came back on the next drive, converted on fourth, got a touchdown. So we did it for your team. We should do it for my team too. Should I be worried about my Ravens with how everything's going at the moment? So I'm glad you, listen, I'm glad you put it in that context. We did it for the Chiefs for being 0 and 2 and now 1 and 2. should we do it for Baltimore. And it is a very interesting test of sports media today.

And who has and has not earned benefits of the doubt? Because I, silly me, Chiefs Homer, lifelong Kansas City and got a tattoo about the team. Silly me, I would have thought that a team that has been to. seven consecutive conference championship games, been to five of the last six Super Bowls, won three of the last six Super Bowls, and been to three straight, that if any team would have earned a benefit of the doubt for sputtering out of the gates, it would be the Chiefs. But I was wrong.

It was a lot of talk about how systemically the team may be broken. about Patrick not being as good as he once was, Andy's play design not being as creative as it once was, and about how this team just isn't scary anymore. And, you know, an ad that we'll get to in a minute when over the New York Giants didn't exactly quiet that for most people. We'll get to my thoughts on it in a second and the tackle that turned the tide trademark, as Kevin Wilde would say.

I wonder how folks are going to discuss the Baltimore Ravens. Now that they are one and two with the one victory being an uninspiring one over the Cleveland Browns. Now that they, the Baltimore Ravens, who the benefit of doubt that they have earned is being to zero consecutive Super Bowls, zero in the last decade, one conference championship game appearance. If we are going to look at the Baltimore Ravens defense with the same critical eye that we have looked at the Kansas City Chiefs offense, a Baltimore Ravens defense that ultimately last year was not good enough, that up to this point this year has been downright awful. A Baltimore Ravens team that on top of that seems to situationally not be the most

buttoned up in football and a Baltimore Ravens team that all of a sudden second best player seems to have an odd fumbling problem. Now, I don't know if you agree with me or not on this, DeMonse. I do not think that game was lost on the Derek Henry fumble. I think that that game was lost on the Ravens entire inability to get us to stop Detroit from doing whatever they wanted on the ground. Yeah, that's fair. And the two 95 plus yard drives of Detroit just running it down their throat to me was a flashing red light of concern. and it is, you know, it's kind of perfect that, you know, the Chiefs and the Ravens now play each other on Sunday, because one of these teams is going to be 0 and 3 with three losses to the three legitimate teams they faced.

And the other team's going to be two and two and have steadied the ship. And we'll talk obviously more about that game on Thursday and Friday show. I think that I could... Oh, yeah, go ahead. We'll talk about it more. I was going to say, what do you think with Kansas City winning and Baltimore coming off this loss, that it's a bad scenario for the Chiefs could be a potential trap game? Well, no.

Again, this is... I blame Wilds for this, not you. Nobody seems to understand what trap game means anymore. Trap game... You're talking about maybe a let-down spot or something. Trap game is what... So let's say the Chiefs had been 2 and O going into the Giants game with the Ravens coming up the following week. Then the Giants are a trap game.

Trap game is team flying high facing a bad opponent with a good opponent coming up. Trap game, perfect example. Trap game is what the Packers just dealt with. Yeah, the Browns. Looking great. Have the Cowboys, you know, kind of not revenge, but a big Micah game coming up. and then the Browns beat them. That's a trap game.

The Chiefs playing the Ravens, like not a trap game. It is a, what you're talking about is the Ravens all of a sudden potentially more desperate coming off the loss. But desperation is, you know, accounts for something. Whether or not this team is quite as good as everyone assigned them as being is something else. And so let's talk about the actual game itself. So the Ravens defense was disastrous start to finish. Now they didn't have Namdi Matabuque, but I don't know when they're getting him back. They didn't have Kyle Van Ney, but I don't know when they're getting him back.

And Roquan Smith was not good. Historically, he's been excellent. Last year was a little shaky. Last night he was not good. Obviously, folks are going to focus on the Derek Henry Fumble. I want to talk about Lamar for a second. And again, I texted this to Greg Rosenthal this morning about alleged, you know, because Greg said he didn't want to be lumped in with the quote, Lamar haters. And I texted Greg. I was like, the Lamar haters group is just Bill Polian from a decade ago in a draft evaluation.

And I guess me, because everyone else in the media is in pretty much lockstep that this guy is. is simply unimpeachably great and one of the greatest players we've ever seen. And while I do think he's one of the greatest players we've ever seen, I think last night he was not quite as good as the numbers suggest. And let me tell you why. Now, not just because I don't really care about the final 80 yards and touchdown when they were down 14 with less than two minutes left. That's not what I'm talking about.

even before that. Like you started the game 9 of 10. His pass rating was crazy. He was making some really good passes. There are two things last night that I feel are not one-offs that if I were a Raven fan would be concerning. One is Lamar's refusal to throw the ball away and his hesitation. to just take off and run and those two things

combining to him being sacked seven times is just a killer. Like he was great when he threw the ball. But he needed to throw the ball a little more or a little quicker or take off and run.

Those sacks were drive killers time and time again. So that's the kind of meat potatoes. I think with it being that crazy and it being seven sacks, that's something that will get corrected pretty fast. Yes, I would think so. But it was the concern there is it wasn't corrected during the game. It was five sacks, you know, when they were still in the game and still on that last drive before the drive when they punted with like six minutes left.

You know, he took, he got sacked once. there, and then another one he ran, but it was essentially a sack. Right, he gained like two yards, but they stopped him. Yeah, exactly. And here's the other one. And I'm just curious if other people noticed it. Man, he seemed to be wound tight from the opening snap. He was pissed off the whole game.

Yeah, he was tilted the entire time. I saw it. I don't know what it was. It was like very simple stuff in the beginning. So, he's just, you know. weird that the first drive of the game that they didn't score. I don't know which drive it was, but the first time they went three and out, his like body language and emotions are really. Seemed like something had been going on before.

Yeah. And so, and that is, we have seen that Lamar a handful of times before. It unfortunately for him more often than not is in the playoffs. where like early in the game you're like oh he is anxious about this spot but they were coming off a win like that though i didn't really get it why the last time they played detroit they annihilated him he has a hilarious record in his career against nfc teams i'm going to pull it up real quick because it now i think it was like 23 and 1 say it again okay i thought at this point he has like four losses total from the NFC. It might be less than that, apparently.

I think it's less, bro. So Lamar, no, you were right. You nailed it. So going into last night, he was 24 and four in against the NFC with 48 touchdowns, nine picks and like a 108 rating. I think maybe he had at some point won like 20 straight or something, whatever it was. He had had a ridiculous record against the NFC. He had beaten, they annihilated the lines last time they played him. They had just come off a win, and the offense had been great in both games. Or they scored 40 points in both games.

It was just a weird spot for him to be wound tight immediately. And those things concern me, man. So here is, here is the, I think, fair read, given everything I've said about the chiefs being fine, about where the Ravens are, as they now both sit at one and two. It is hard. Like, either the chiefs or the Ravens are going to be one and three Sunday night. It will still be so hard to find seven AFC playoff teams. without including both of the Chiefs and the Ravens.

And here's why. The Bills are 3 and 0, they're excellent. The Chargers are 3 and O, they're excellent. Okay? Here is the entire list of teams other than bills and chargers in the AFC that currently have a better record than the Ravens and Chiefs at 1 and 2. We're at two teams. The call two or 3 and O who look excellent,

but I think there is still a little bit of, waiting for the bottom to fall out. And then there are only three other teams, and they all feel totally fraudulent. The Cincinnati Bengals, the Cincinnati Bengals who don't have their quarterback, the Steelers who are not good, flatly not good,

and I worry, the side, you know, preview to Nick's picks, I cannot wait to be on the Vikings this weekend as they play a London or a Ireland game and that defense going after Aaron Rogers. And then the Jags, who, man, I can't, I, I have not been pleased with how the Jags have played through three weeks. That's it. Right. And I know it's the playoffs, obviously, don't start today. If the playoffs started today, the AFC would have a one and two playoff team.

Like one of the one and two teams would make it. So I will not say that the Ravens at one and two or even at one and three should panic as far as making the playoffs. What I will say is one of the reasons I have this confidence about the chiefs is for a near, nearly a decade now, every single year, they play their best ball in the postseason. Home or road, they play their best ball on the postseason, particularly the AFC side of the bracket. Haven't obviously always played their best ball in the Super Bowl, but in the postseason they have, or in the AFC side of the bracket, they have. The Ravens are the opposite. and I think that the defense last year looked hugely problematic and then turned it around at midseason.

I don't know if they're going to be able to do that again. And so they are still. They're very potent. Like this is a good offensive. I don't want to call them offensive juggernaut, but damn near. Like, this is a pretty good team. No. Yeah, absolutely.

do some stuff to you. But obviously, you're one of the better teams. You've got to be able to beat the good teams. Correct. Right. It's the, the Ravens are trying to win a Super Bowl. They're going to have to go through the bills, Kansas City, the chargers, just to get to whomever is in the other side of the bracket.

And if you were to tell me right now, honestly, if you have an, an all-time legend at quarterback, like the Chiefs and the Ravens both do. What would you rather, if you're going to have to have one part of your team really be struggling early in the season, what would you rather it be? Me personally, I'd rather it be the side of the ball that my all-time legend can help correct. So like if you're Kansas City, you,

the offense has not looked good, but Patrick is directly involved in that and has months to figure it out. If you're Baltimore, the defense has looked awful. Lamar's on the sidelines for that. And so that to me is legitimate reason for concern.

All right, let's talk the lion's side real quick, DeMazze. I'll see. They struggled in week one versus Green Bay, but they've been humming ever since. They are fifth in Super Bowl odds. Do you think that's too high, too low or just right? I don't mind it. Listen, I've been really impressed by how they've responded to that week one performance.

And last week putting 50 on the Bears and this week, I mean, they've scored what? 90 points in their last two games after having six points. points going in late, you know, late in week one. Really impressive. And Dan Campbell's game management is excellent. That going for that fourth down was objectively the right call and a call a lot of teams up seven wouldn't have done. And, you know, he is doing a lot to push towards, we'll be fine without. uh ben johnson so yeah no the lions look really really good by the way if you're thinking about

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I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,

not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam, Isaiah Thomas? And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about Define the Odds. like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything.

everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that Isaiah,

you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Farrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah.

This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.

With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got them. Do you want a white collar or something here? What are y'all doing? Microphones?

Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic.

You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the eye. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, so your chiefs of My Ravens Face Off this weekend. Yeah, they're both looking at one and three starts between the two. Who do you think has more on the line?

Listen, I saw Orlovsky this morning say it's clearly the chiefs. I know that the chiefs are the team that People have been far more panicked about than Baltimore. I think people have this flatly wrong. It is to me unquestionably Baltimore that has more on the line. And it is for two very distinct reasons that apply to Baltimore in a way they don't apply to Can City. The first one is this. If we believe these, even though one of these,

even though one of these teams is going to be one and three, that both of these teams still have Super Bowl aspirations, and that Baltimore certainly still has Super Bowl aspirations, they have to win this game for two reasons that are related to each other. One is maybe by winning this game, you won't have to go through Kansas City in the playoffs. And by winning this game, if you do have to play Kansas City in the playoffs,

you have some reason to believe you can beat them. Lamarres and the Ravens have lost five of the six games they've played against Patrick and the Chiefs. They have lost four in a row. They have lost in Baltimore. They have lost in Kansas City. Lamar, who has the highest passer rating in the history of the NFL, has an 80 passer rating against the Chiefs. Lamar has not played a singularly great game against Kansas City, except for one time,

the one time they won, and I think that was 36, 35, after a Clyde Edwards, Lear Fumble, and then Baltimore went for a fourth down, smartly late, nice, the game. There is a massive psychological edge the chiefs have over the Ravens. And even if the Ravens win this game, they are not going to have a psychological edge on Kansas City. And so, like, if the Ravens win, the Chiefs are not going to, if they were to play in the playoffs, go into that game thinking, we can't beat this team. But if the Chiefs win, how can Baltimore credibly? think that the chiefs don't simply have their number. And so I also think that the Ravens

upcoming, if they fall to one in three, a team that oddly to me, and we talked about it a lot Tuesday, felt tight and anxious in their game against Detroit, their next two games, home for the Texans with a great defense, but a terrible offense, and then home for the Rams, that's concerning. The Chiefs, meanwhile, game after this is Jacksonville. Now, you can say Jacksonville is better than Houston, and I know they're two and one, Houston's 0 and three, and Jacksonville just beat Houston. It still feels to me like Houston has a higher upside potentially than Jacksonville. So I...

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Right, correct. Then you, no, then they have the lions. But I also think because after the Lions, the Chiefs get Rishi Rice back, that there is a level of, okay, like, let's say they lose to Baltimore and lose to the Lions. And they're, and they beat Jacksonville. And they're two and four getting Rishi Rice back. I still feel like the team psychologically will feel like, all right. Now we're finally whole.

Yeah, let's just, we're not going to have home field. We're probably not going to win the division. Let's just see if we can get in and be scary. And that is, that's one of the reasons that I just, listen, I'm not going to panic about either of these weeks. Yeah, well, correct. Like, I just, unless you are going to go as far as to say, Kansas, the city, I fear, is going to miss the postseason. I don't think anybody actually believes they're not a terrifying team once the postseason begins, even if they get there by going

10 and 7. They got there by going 11 and 6 two years ago and won the Super Bowl, going to Buffalo, going to Baltimore. And so I just, I also think there is. a level of in the commentariat offensive bias that is showing up in the way

we talk about Buffalo or I'm sorry Baltimore and Kansas City Kansas City's offense has been its biggest concern Kansas City's offense kind of across the board is mid they're average

they're 13th in this 17th and that 14th in this 15th in that they're just average and that has caused massive concern Baltimore's defense has been its problem and they're awful in everything and that so the the side of the ball Kansas City is struggling on they're struggling to the tune of being average the side of the ball Baltimore is struggling on they're struggling to the tune of being horrible so and there is go ahead with that said about Baltimore's defensive, Kansas City, if the offense still struggles, then what?

Yeah, that, even with the Worthings coming back too. So the, so that's a good question. If they win a low scoring game, I do, then that is great. You know what I like? If they win, if they win the score, the way they beat Baltimore in the AFC title game, 17 to 10, then I, and the offense doesn't cook, but they win. win, I don't care. I do not care if they don't, you know, so because I also, but now if they, let me, I'm going

to say a bunch here, if they lose, if Baltimore scores a ton and the chiefs just can't keep up and they lose 28, 13, something like that, that'll be concerning about what the chief's offense actually is and how much just getting Rishi Rice back will fix it. I also have, and I don't know if statistically this has been proven or even it can be backed up or anything. But it feels to me like very often games take on a personality and like, One of the reasons Cowboys Giants was high flying the way it was, was the off one team's offense beget another team's offense. Does that make sense?

Like it was that that game led to the, the personality almost of that game was quick drives, deep bombs, you score, I score, you score, I score. All right. The very next week, that same Giants offense played a Chief's team that was stuck in the mud, long drives, no explosives, and they didn't have any. So I, so that's the same Giants offense, right? Now, the Chief's defense is obviously better than the Cowboys defense, but not 35 points better,

you wouldn't think. And yet that's, you know, that's what we got in that game. And so my point is this. I think the Ravens offense, I don't think this is going to be a 31, 28 game. I think this is far more likely to be a, because we, the Eagles can be high flying and high scoring. The Chargers can be high scoring. Both teams have played the Chiefs and the game is kind of taken on the personality of the current Chiefs, which is these long drives, fight, for yards and I don't think that's just because of the chief's defense. I think that again, I can't prove it. Maybe what I'm saying right now sounds weird, but I just think sometimes games take on,

like I said, a personality almost. And there is somehow a butterfly effect of one team's offense hitting deep shots leading to another team's offense hitting deep shots. It's just for my ex. Because here's the other thing that's really weird about kind of consuming football and how we feel watching it. So you would agree to Monzae that that Chief's Giants game, the Chief's offense looked hard to watch and stagnant. Yeah. Right?

That was, it was a bad offensive game. and they finished with 20 it would have been 23 but 22 points because they missed the extra point you would agree so the chiefs in that game scored 22 you would agree that raven's lions the raven's offense was moving the ball seemingly at will and the problem in that game wasn't the offense yeah and you and you would have felt that way even if they didn't get that garbage time touchdown, you know, when they were down 14. The Ravens going into garbage time of that game had 24 points and it felt like the offense was doing whatever it wanted. The Chiefs fought and clawed and ugly football scored 22 points and it felt like the offense could do nothing.

So again, I'm not what I'm kind of almost talking about like ideas here. No, I agree, but the Giants defense is supposed to be decent. Yeah. And we don't look at the Lions as a great defense. And so the point I'm making is sometimes you can score 24 points and it can look, it can feel like your offense was humming and you can score 23 points and it can feel like your offense couldn't do anything. And so I just feel like we are going to get a slug fest in Kansas City where every yard is going to be, you know, hard to get. And here's the other reason.

I don't think Baltimore's past defense is as bad as the numbers suggest. I think their run defense is horrible, truly horrible. And I just don't know if the chiefs have the personnel to take full advantage of a horrible run defense. Like that was the story of Ravens Lions was the run defense. And so I, if there was ever going to be a time for Pacheco to live, look like Pacheco from a couple years ago, this would be this game. I just don't know if they had it. I don't know.

But I... Would you say... I do... Go ahead. Who do you think on your team needs to step up the most in this game? I think this is... What have I said about Travis? He's got five or six great games left in it. Yeah.

This would be a good time for one of them. He's had a rough start to the season. He has owned this matchup. Getting worthy back should open things up in the middle of the field a little bit more. And Tyquan Thornton all of a sudden, you have to take him seriously, at least as a deep threat. And so I, this would be a nice Travis Kelsey game. I am, I believe, listen, I think Kansas City is better than, Worthy's been out?

Yeah, that's a crazy question. But you think worthy coming back when I have like some positive. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. And now listen, I'm going to be holding my breath on the worthy stuff because we're only a few weeks removed from that shoulder dislocation. And he's going to the further down the road we get, the stronger that shoulder gets. So I don't think worthy is going to be like super featured in the game plan.

but I think just having him out there should help quite a bit. No surprise here. One of my picks on the gambling show is going to be the chiefs plus the points because I think they're going to win. DeMonsie and I will make, we're going to figure out some type of wager to make on this game. It won't be financial, but some type of wager to make on this game tomorrow during the gambling show. I have some ideas. Not financial? It feels like it can be financial on me.

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