The Herd with Colin Cowherd - What's Wright - Best Of - Nick Wright reacts to Chiefs DISASTER vs. Jaguars, Bill Belichick NIGHTMARE at UNC, 49ers QB dilemma?

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.  Nick Wright reacts to Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, and the Kansas City Chiefs' disaster loss to Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars on Monday Nigh...t Football. Nick breaks down why this is the most concerning Chiefs regular season loss in years and whether he believes in his team to bounce back. Later, Nick reacts to rumors of Bill Belichick leaving UNC after less than one full season with the program. Would this leave a negative mark on Belichick's legacy? Lastly, Nick discusses whether the San Francisco 49ers could find themselves in a situation where they play Mac Jones over Brock Purdy later this season as well as looking ahead to Lions-Chiefs on Sunday Night Football of Week 6. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:05 Welcome to the best of the week for What's Right with Nick Wright. The best takes and moments from this week on the show. Enjoy. I didn't really sleep last night. I didn't got up this morning, took your sister to school, picked your mom up from the gym. I don't know if I said 10 words to either one of them. I then just laid on the couch, which I never do in the mornings and tried to like take a nap. that didn't work.
Starting point is 00:02:35 You know how I can tell your mom knows I'm in a teetering emotional place? I could probably guess what is it? Well, here's how I know that she knows and that she's empathetic. Because there were, she's doing like a whole giant house cleaning thing prior to her birthday. I knew it. Well, no, hold on. there within the 90 seconds when i came downstairs there were three things i saw her do that she had asked me to do previously and she wasn't even mad at me yeah i was like oh she legit feels bad for me right now
Starting point is 00:03:21 she's like she she she is really showing a real amount of empathy because i was supposed to put those coffee cups away i was supposed to throw that bad backpack away. And she's doing all of it. And she's doing with a smile on her face, which means she has correctly clocked that I'm not doing great. Hopefully this will be my catharsis. Let's get to Monday night football. Shout out to Madre. So we saw what Trevor Lawrence did to the chiefs yesterday. It was also his 26th birthday. And he walked out of there with a dub. What do you want to talk about first your prince's success or your chief's downfall in this game okay as much as i'd like to start with trevor we have start with the chiefs and here's the reason that game is so so much
Starting point is 00:04:13 more upsetting than the charger game or the eagle game and so much more upsetting than any recent memory regular season loss. One thing about the chiefs being the chiefs is they simply do not lose games like that. Now, they get outplayed sometimes. The offense we've seen over the last couple of years get stuck in the mud. They, you know, there are ways that they can lose a game
Starting point is 00:04:54 and other people panic or, you know, talk about in what bad shape the team is in. And I do not because of the full confidence that by the end of the year, Patrick will have figured stuff out or the team will get healthier or whatever it is. Losing a game like that last night, they don't blow two touchdown leads. Every other team in the league might, they don't. they did last night. Countless, countless special teams mistakes.
Starting point is 00:05:34 The multiple, the same player, Jack Cochran, who held on a big kick return earlier in the game, does the only thing he can't do on the final kickoff of the game, which is hold again, because in that moment, I thought, while I didn't like what had happened, 23 seconds, three timeouts, the chief's going to have the ball around the 25, 30 yard line, I fully trusted that we were at least going to get a kick to tie the game.
Starting point is 00:06:09 But that hold has the double whammy of they returned it, so you burned six of the 23 seconds, and you started on the 15. also with the special teams Bucker kicking it out of bounds when he has been shaky we are now five for five in games this year where Buckker makes a mistake either misses an extra point
Starting point is 00:06:38 miss it yes misses an extra point misses a kick or kicks it out of bounds and then and I'm not this oddly is the part of the game that was least bothersome to me, but was the most damaging, was, you know, Patrick made a mistake he simply doesn't make, which is the 99-yard pick six that flipped the entire game. Now that, you can fairly
Starting point is 00:07:08 say that cost them the game. I mean, that was a basically a true 14-point swing, but I know this might sound odd to the audience. That is the least. least of my concerns. The, the, committing that many penalties, that consistently. And now, what does make me feel like the chiefs are very close to being the chiefs again is, there is a direct correlation to how scary the chiefs are to the rest of the world and how quickly and loudly we get the idiotic conspiracy theories. once again when yes, they missed a DPI on an interception,
Starting point is 00:07:59 but this game would have been, well, I don't know that it was worse than when the Jags are down 14-0 and it's 3rd and 15, and there is a phantom DPI that kept them in the game. Like, calls get missed in both directions. People got mad because Patrick correctly pointed out to the ref, we get one yard on the rub route on Kelsey's touchdown. And I don't know what the hell Russell Yerick was looking at. He says the play was snapped at the two.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Juju is setting the pick at the one. That is the definition. You literally had the little hash mark showing you it was a yard. And so that I understand, listen, they missed, the refs missed a really bad call. There's no question about it. The chief's got to pick out of it. the chiefs were penalized, I think, 10 times more or nine times more than Jacksonville. That was not a, oh, the chiefs got all the calls, but also those weren't bad, except for the DPI on 3rd and 15, those weren't bad calls against the chiefs.
Starting point is 00:09:07 They were making mistakes. And here's the other piece of it. And this is what is so, and Patrick kind of said it without saying it when he said, we've already lost too many games. they they had a nightmare nightmare opening two weeks of the season and they had the opportunity to make it all back by week five go from oh and two to tied for first in the division one game out of first place in the entire conference and to And you guys notice, I didn't have Kansas City minus three and a half in Nick's picks. I actually think Jacksonville is better than people gave them credit for.
Starting point is 00:10:03 And I was saying all week, Jacksonville was three and one despite Trevor. And that if Trevor played well, they're a very dangerous team. And we'll get to Trevor later because that was just a perfect Trevor Lawrence game. Some horrible mistakes, some great throws. used his legs, you know, better than he usually does, even though he's great with that. So I didn't, it's not that I think losing to the Jags. It's just, that was a game that I feel like they, they needed. They really wanted that game and they didn't get it.
Starting point is 00:10:40 And it was also, like, and it was the Jaguars at the same time. Like, that's not. They needed it, DeMonsei, they wanted it, and they had it. Right. Like, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, While the chiefs don't blow teams out the way the other excellent teams in football do over the last few years, they just simply never beat themselves. And yesterday they beat themselves.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Yesterday is the first game in four years. The chiefs have won the turnover battle and lost the game. There have only been three games in the last four years where they have won or time. the turnover battle and lost the game. Week one against Detroit a couple years ago, the pick six. Week one against the Chargers this year, and neither team turned it over. And then this week, with a pick six.
Starting point is 00:11:39 And so all of that, just, it's just a horrible loss. Let me add another thing before I get to the other side of it. My biggest concern with Kansas City after week one, when every, there have been, let me rephrase it, there have been two concerns that I have had about the Chiefs, basically from week one on,
Starting point is 00:12:18 that while everyone else was focused on the homes in the passing game, I was simply not worried. one was the lack of any type of burst or explosion in the running game. Now, I thought that was Pacheco and Hunt's, both of them, you know, one of their better, if not each of their best games of the year. My hair's a mess. I apologize. But it still feels like that's a spot they need to upgrade.
Starting point is 00:12:50 And Patrick leading the team in rushing is unacceptable. makes me nervous. But the other thing that was greatly concerning to me about week one was their total inability to generate a pass rush without sending a blitz. And I felt like you saw that again last night. So those, the running back position, I think can be, of all the weaknesses you can have, that to me is the simplest to attempt to remedy because they should be able to relatively cheaply trade for and upgrade at running back the pass rush just has to get better and
Starting point is 00:13:40 Chris obviously has a brutal film on the play when Trevor fell down now I don't actually think him standing there or if he would have been going a hundred miles an hour It would have changed the impact of the play. But that is brutal, brutal tape. I think he could have absolutely made a play on it. He could have stopped him from scoring a touchdown. You think so? I think 100%.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I feel like he's watching the action from there. If he starts running off to the right, he might be able to intercept Trevor Lawrence. Oh, I agree. Not right. Right there, he starts running off to the right. My point is by the, I think if he would have been going full bore, If he would have been going full bore, he wouldn't have been be lying to the right.
Starting point is 00:14:29 He would have gone upfield, but it doesn't matter. I want to make this clear. It doesn't matter that he wouldn't have made the, I don't think he would have made the play. What matters is, how the hell are you doing that in that spot? You know what I mean? Like, what is the, he played it almost as if the chief's coaching point there was let them score so we get the ball back with a chance to tie it. But no one else on the defense was, you know, had that,
Starting point is 00:15:01 was feeling that way. And so all of those things, de Monzae are truly, greatly real, like, issues, and why this has been so such a troubling 12 hours. Now, the flip side. Patrick looks great. And she looks great. And the offense is, I mean, would they have 500 yards of offense yesterday almost? Now, again, that's not, Andy said it and he's right.
Starting point is 00:15:44 The goal of the game is not to put up a ton of yards. Just put up points. And our red zone issues, you know, he didn't say this. I'll say this. Patrick's bad mistake. the penalties, those things are how you lose football games. But Kansas City, particularly when Rishi gets back, I think is going to be back to being a very explosive offense again.
Starting point is 00:16:14 So that part is great. But two and three is not. And you just, you had the opportunity, had you taken care of, going into last night's game, you were, like, there were, there's the four and one bills who you play later this year, the four and one cults who you play later this year, and the Jags were sitting there with one loss, and you were playing them that night. And so it also puts a lot of pressure on next week. And next week is the Detroit Lions, who post-week 1 have looked like the best team in the league. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?
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Starting point is 00:22:34 We didn't make a memory. We ain't that making it look easy. We ain't that leaving people wanting forward. LeBron? Appreciate it. Okay. So, real quick, quick sidebar. What a guy.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Of course. Like, now, listen, I would have been wrong. I thought it had something to do with Amazon Prime Day because he works with Amazon. But Danny, yesterday when LeBron sent that tweet, he came. He's like, you saw LeBron's thing? I'm like, yeah. And he said, do you think it's anything? I was like, I would bet anything it's an ad.
Starting point is 00:23:21 And he asked me why. And he thought my answer was kind of ridiculous, but it's why I knew it was an ad. I said, because it's at noon. It's what he said it was going to be. And he's like, that's the reason? And I was like, yeah. It's like more of like a night thing.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Yes, it's prime time. If LeBron is going to announce his retirement for it. It's not going to be noon on a Tuesday. I'm just telling you right now. It's just, so I, there was real, like, questions. I got texts from people or whatever about what we, like, this show or the TV show or whatever. whatever, what are what we want to do. And I don't want to say I ignored them, but I, in my head, I ignored them.
Starting point is 00:24:19 I'm like, guys, I promise this is not like Intel. I didn't talk to, I didn't, I was so non-plussed by this. Like, I obviously am real close with some of LeBron's closest people. Maverick's a dear friend. I see Rich a few times a year. You know, Rich works with my agent. I didn't even send any of them a text Like with a question mark
Starting point is 00:24:44 Like there It was very obvious To me To me it was just like If he had sent the exact same tweet And it said Monday 7 p.m.
Starting point is 00:25:02 My heart would have skipped a beat I'd have been like oh man Aud run down changing up a little bit Yeah like maybe like there might be a There might be something here but Tuesday at noon the guy is not announcing his retirement Tuesday at noon now he was
Starting point is 00:25:17 if you didn't get the and I didn't show you the he's wearing the same shirt he wore to the original decision Miami like kind of right and the the script is the questions he was asked like the no powder
Starting point is 00:25:35 that it's all the exact same beats of the original decision but it was a good idea you. I said. Yes. Listen. I'll retire. Also, by the way, I don't know what Hennessy, you know, paid Braun, but I do know that they are now going to get a lot of free media out of it by simply LeBron sending one tweet.
Starting point is 00:25:58 So I don't know what his tweets are worth, but that, you know, I would consider that likely money well spent. All right. Back to the discussion we were having. What were we talking about? Oh, the Lions game now is massive. Oh, that's why I saw it. Because I was going to Hard Rock Bet to see going into last night. So here's a fun one, Demandze.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Wait, no. Going into last night, it was KC minus a point in a half. Now, typically, oddly, when a good team loses, if they don't suffer real injury, they become bigger favorites by a tiny bit the next week. I don't anticipate that's what will happen here. So what do you think, do you think the line moved or stayed the same? And if it moved in what direction?
Starting point is 00:26:54 You said yesterday it was minus one and a half. Kansas City favored by a point in a half. Point a half? Yeah. I think it probably, what is it, minus two now? Minus two and a half? It stayed the same. I thought there was a chance it would have gone the other way.
Starting point is 00:27:12 But I think the reason it didn't was because the Chief's offense did look really good. And that Jack's defense is legit. It's just so frustrating. And this is all I said going into it was, if they don't turn the ball over, they can't lose. And they may, listen, it was the worst type of turnover you can make. With that defense being how good it is, like Jacksonville's defense is, it's, It's legit. They even came in.
Starting point is 00:27:38 They got a pick six against Patrick Holmes. Like with the Travis Hunter thing, I think it's so unfortunate that he wants to play on both sides of the ball because I think he would make the defense that much more dominant. Or if he wanted to be 100% offense, he would just give Trevor Lawrence even that better of a hand. But I think, because it doesn't seem like he's being super effective on either side. That is correct. I guess he's maxed out his longest catching in the last two games. No, right now it's kind of the worst of both worlds.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Right. Listen, I know he made one really big play in this game Yeah But the Jags aren't at a shortage of weapons And right now The The They trade
Starting point is 00:28:23 The only way you can justify Trading what they traded For a non-quarterback Is because you thought you were getting two players But right now he's having less of an impact Then all the guys drafted around him who are just one-way players. And so that's the really disappointing part if you're Jacksonville.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Let me go to real quick. Because Mason Graham, who was the fifth pick, who was part of essentially the Travis Hunter trade, has been great. Abdul Carter is making a real impact. Will Campbell's the everyday left tackle. Mason Graham has been excellent. Gentie, I know that there have been some questions about Gentie. Gentie's great.
Starting point is 00:29:13 How often is he getting the ball and how often are they blocking for him? But you've seen more from him already and you've seen Travis. Membo has been excellent at tackle for the Jets, even though they've been terrible. And Tett McMillan has made a bigger impact. The wide receiver for Carolina. For Carolina. No, Tampa Bay receivers of Bucca, who's been unbelievable. But he was, you know, he was a mid-first-round pick.
Starting point is 00:29:45 He was 19. And so, yeah, I do think that they haven't yet figured out how to use Travis. Now, listen, on the Prince, this is why he's such a tough player to quit. Because he can make that throw to Brian Thomas Jr. Down the sideline. And he is, at Clemson, he ran a lot. And he is big and strong and all those things. And fast.
Starting point is 00:30:22 He also loves that leap over the goal line QB snake. That's not the first time it's been knocked out of his hands. he also will, as Aikman pointed out, miss some layups. And it's fair is fair. He should be better at this point than he is. But he is now positioning himself where he is going to have a real opportunity to have, you know, another postseason. and the best moment of his career came in the postseason. And so now, like, it's starting to take shape a little bit, right?
Starting point is 00:31:11 It feels to me, DeMonse, like the playoff teams we can say with confidence are Buffalo, Indie Jacksonville, the four-and-one teams. Like, we've just got to give them credit. one team out of the AFC North. I can't write off Baltimore yet, but that's the only way Baltimore does it is if Pittsburgh, the reason I'm not saying two teams out of the north is, if Pittsburgh just continues winning, Baltimore's cooked.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Like Baltimore, Baltimore's path is going to be that nine wins can win you the division. So there's four. And then I obviously believe the chiefs are going to be in. I can't, it would be unfair for me to say pencil the chief, like to put the chiefs in pen, because they're two and three. So if we have Buffalo, Indie, Jacksonville, and an AFC North team in, then it would be,
Starting point is 00:32:25 de Monzae, three spots for chiefs. Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers, Patriots. Three spots for those four teams. And right now, the team that probably, of those four teams, this moment, which team do you think is most anxious? Because to me, I think it's pretty clear. Out of, yeah. Of Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Patriots. If one of them is going to miss.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Oh, Chargers probably. Yeah. They're the most anxious. It's the Chargers. To me, it's definitely the Chargers. Jay and Daniels is more respectable, but coming off of injury. Yeah, yeah. And only scoring 10 points, and we'll get to that game later.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Wow. The producers don't always nail it on this show. They always try with their humor, but sometimes they miss. The catchy. This one's pretty good. Yeah. Because, you know, I obviously coined the tackle that turned the tide. And by the way, given how Patrick has played since that moment,
Starting point is 00:33:41 I think it's still, even though they lost and he threw the pick six, I think it still applies. I thought Patrick was for 75 out of 76 plays, excellent yesterday. Now, the one mistake he made, like, fair is fair. It flipped the game. And so I'm not giving them a pass. But if I were, if I were saying, was that encouraging? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Yeah. They said, was that the pick that made Nick sick? And you know who suggested that? Vic. All right. All right. Well done. Well done, guys.
Starting point is 00:34:18 But they said, is Trevor's TD the stumble that started the succession? That's pretty good. I think it's pretty good. Singers. I think it's pretty good. I like it, guys. All right, you guys made me feel a little bit better. God, I was upset.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Dang, I'm going to have to deal with. It's one thing that I'm going to have to deal with Colin in a couple hours. But you know who is privately, I'm sure. Take DeMonte off camera. Revelling in this in my pain. J-Mack. Oh, man. And I'll end the Chiefs.
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Starting point is 00:36:54 We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
Starting point is 00:37:34 But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luke. and Austin Reed.
Starting point is 00:37:53 And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series
Starting point is 00:38:11 because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing.
Starting point is 00:38:29 That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Criminless, we're joined by our first
Starting point is 00:38:51 ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers.
Starting point is 00:39:17 What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know.
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Starting point is 00:40:52 you get your podcast. Things have not been going well over there in UNC for Bill Belichick. They are off to a two and three start. And there's even talks of the documentary being canceled. Well, I think that's actually canceled. And there's other talks of Bill Belichick initiating his own million dollar buyout. You wanted to talk about this. Things are looking rough for Bill.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Yeah. So listen, I think that it is noteworthy what Ali Connolly is saying. So you guys might be like, who is Ali Connolly? People that listen to NFL Daily, Greg Rosenthal's great pod, are familiar with Ali Connolly. He also has a substack in a newsletter called The Read Optional. I think he also is involved in some of in, but he's in the UK. He's in the UK.
Starting point is 00:41:47 I don't know if he's British, if he's Irish. I'm not sure. I think he's British. I know that that's one you don't want to get wrong. my apologies. Regardless, the reason I am mentioning it is he was the guy who broke Belichick to North Carolina. And people initially, like, one of the reasons they, it didn't get taken as gospel initially was because it's like, why is this guy in the UK breaking this story?
Starting point is 00:42:15 But he had it first by a lot. so he then yesterday sent out the following tweet thread that I want to read to the audience again the guy who first had bellichick to carolina told us this bill bellichick has discussed buyout options with north carolina's hierarchy bellichick has signaled a willingness to trigger his own million dollar buyout if he can find a landing with another team or in media. He goes on. Members of Belichick's coaching staff have already spoken to other schools that are expected to be in the college football playoff about taking on roles during the postseason from one coach, quote, the racks are leaving the ship, end quote.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Some staffers believe a change will come within two weeks. reports of serious recruiting violations remain under investigation at UNC. Recruiting and practice violations have already been proven by the school according to multiple sources. Using recruiting violations to knock down a coach's buyout has become a standard practice. If Belichick cannot find a landing spot to trigger his own buyout, he's expected to accept a greatly reduced compromised rate. More on that in a second, I'll explain it. Belichick's community back to Ali Connolly Belichick's communication with his staff in the past two weeks
Starting point is 00:43:52 has been described as weird and distant by multiple members of UNC's coaching staff multiple coaches were unable to get a hold of him during UNC's by week last tweet from one UNC defensive assistant what we've done to these kids is effed up end of tweet thread so let me just give a little
Starting point is 00:44:15 explanation about the buyout stuff so people understand. If Belichick gets fired, they owe him like $20 million. If Belichick leaves on his own accord, one thought potentially for another job, they, Belichick or whoever's hiring him has to pay $1 million. What Ali is reporting is that it is now on the board that Belichick pays that million himself just to bounce, just to be out of there. Or if that doesn't happen, if he doesn't have, you know, like they said, soft landing, that he agrees to a greatly reduced number off that 20 million.
Starting point is 00:45:04 But what Ali Connolly is reporting, the too long didn't read version is, this thing's already over. if you already have coaches talking about who they're going to coach this year's playoffs it's over there and that would be we have talked about like can bellichick is it fair can your legacy ever go backwards in sports right like all let's say brawn was in year 25 and averaged three points a game and was terrible. Like, would that be fair to hold against him? And my general rule has always been,
Starting point is 00:45:54 you shouldn't, you should not be penalized for continuing to do something. If, like, if your legacy was here, I'm putting my hand if you're listening up to my eyebrows, basically. And if you quit, it was going to end there. then continuing to play or coach, it doesn't necessarily have to raise it, but you shouldn't go backwards, right? There are rare instances, though,
Starting point is 00:46:23 where it feels like people do go backwards. I think Russell Wilson post Seattle. I think he went backwards a little. I think of Russell Wilson, after when Seattle had said, I'm retiring, and we never saw him be bad, we never saw him on awful teams,
Starting point is 00:46:42 We never saw teams repeatedly move on from him. We would hold him in a probably higher light. For Belichick, for the thing at Carolina, I didn't think he needed to be great there. But the fact that they are yet to be a Power 5 school, the three legitimate teams they've played have beaten them by an average of 26 points per game and they are averaging on scoring themselves 11 points per game and he might just be ready to call it holy smokes man i it is unfathomable that it would have gone on
Starting point is 00:47:37 this wrong this gone this wrong and i say this with all this with all sincerity. It is a bit of a lesson in not just hubris, but in what can happen if you only surround yourself with acolytes and with yes men. Like, the GM is Lombardi, whose whole, you know, the only relevance he has left in the NFL and in football is his relationship. relationship with Belichick. I don't, listen, I don't relish saying that for, I don't know how much of the audience knows this, but when I started with Fox, I did a three time a week, two time a week for a full football season podcast where it was just me and Mike Lombardi. It was called Make Me Smarter. I mean, I know the guy, but I get fair is fair. I have to call it what it is. Like, in the last day, decade, his connection to pro football has been his connection to Belichick.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Lombardi's kid is on the coaching staff. Both of Belichick's kids are on the coaching staff. They have not, there is not a lot of new ideas coming in. They seemingly did a very poor job in the transfer portal. And, I mean, there was the quote, I wish I could tell you where I saw. It's not like they were also going against the integrity of the game, their recruiting process and all that. Like he's,
Starting point is 00:49:16 it sounds like they were kind of cheating a little bit. Well, so that, so that, listen, I, I don't know. I,
Starting point is 00:49:24 how much of that is true or is. Yeah, I don't know enough yet about the recruiting violations. And I also, to be totally honest, don't even know what's legal and what's illegal in college. They're all probably doing it. Like,
Starting point is 00:49:36 I don't even know what, like, it seems like, I don't know how you could break the rules these days. Like, and so that, that part of it is odd, but set that aside. There was a quote from a coach of a non-power-5 school last week that said,
Starting point is 00:49:56 yeah, I knew North Carolina was going to be screwed because they were recruiting all the same players we were. He's like, whenever there's a team that is recruiting all of the guys we're after, I know that team's not going to be able to compete at the top level. But they, so they, and that sounds mean from the coach, but it's, that coach is, again, I'm not saying what school is at, because I don't know. But he's saying he's coaching a small school. And so they should not be going after this. North Carolina should be able to get elite players. And didn't, again, I don't want, I don't want to put you on the spot here.
Starting point is 00:50:36 But you had a friend or someone you knew. Yeah, he was. but he he ended up going to Colorado. But he went on and did the whole process. I think he was going to do it. But he ended up playing at Colorado this year. Okay. So, but he was recruited by Belichick's crew.
Starting point is 00:50:53 Yeah. As a transfer student, right? He wasn't a graduating senior. He was transferring somewhere, right? Those 70 kids that transferred into North Carolina did it? Yeah, four bill. Yeah. And if we are five games in and they're already talking buyout and just giving up, that's pathetic, man.
Starting point is 00:51:24 And I do think that, and I try to always be consistent and honest on this. I so the revisionist history that some folks do acting as if those first three Super Bowls weren't teams that were led by the defense which Belichick was in charge of I'm not down for that and the final Super Bowl they held the Sean McVay, Todd Gurley, good Jared Gough. Rams to three points. So I am not going to act like Belichick was carried by Tom Brady. I don't think that is the case at all. I think they both helped each other greatly. But I'm also not going to act like
Starting point is 00:52:17 that the last half decade has not been an abject disaster for Bill. He stopped being able to draft. He made outrageous coaching staff decisions. His personal life became very public and a legitimate distraction. All the bridges with New England seem to have been burnt, and now he goes to North Carolina,
Starting point is 00:52:47 and we're talking about it being over already. That's a train wreck. And there is not yet any coach, any modern coach, DeMonse, that has a close enough resume to Belichick's, to start a real who's the best coach ever debate. But if we get, you know, Andy is the obvious one that has a shot, but I'm not trying to make this about the Chiefs. I'm not even really trying to make this about Andy.
Starting point is 00:53:24 The point I'm making is this. If somebody gets close, how it is ending for Bill will hurt him. The fact that it was just rank incompetence across the board the moment tom left even will make people do something that i think is unfair as i said a moment ago which is start to put a bit of a curve negative curve on what he did with tom and so i normally would not lead with this all the success came when he was with tom and then like every single thing he did after that. It's been a disaster.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Yeah. And so, and again, that's probably what the UNC thing was, is him trying to recover on that. It's like, oh, I went to college. Correct. Look at what I did. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Correct. Or, and that's one of the reasons he wanted to go to another NFL team, to show he could do it. And so it will just, like, again, just to bring up the Andy, piece of it. Like, Andy had an awesome run without Patrick Mahomes. You know, like double-digit playoff appearances, went to a Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:54:47 multiple conference championship appearances, all, like, they didn't get to the top of the mountain, but was an excellent coach without Patrick. Now, he had Donovan McNabb, he had Mike Vic. He had good, it's not like he had terrible quarterbacks, obviously. He had really, really good quarterbacks. And so it's not an apples to apples comp. I'm not acting like it is.
Starting point is 00:55:10 But, and nobody cares about, like, where did Vince Lombardi? You know how I know nobody cares? I don't even remember. Like Vince Lombardi, did he finish with the Saints? The, oh, no, Washington. Washington for a year. Like, people don't tend to care about, you know, the final chapter of an, all-time legend if it even if it doesn't go well but this is gone so horrifically like nobody
Starting point is 00:55:43 do does the audience remember what bill parcell's final stop was and it was the dolphins but he wasn't the head coach he was the you know basically the guy in charge of everything and so people don't don't typically hold that stuff against you, but this is such a train wreck that, and I, by the way, I believe Ali Connolly. If Ali Connolly says this could happen in the next couple weeks, this could happen in the next couple weeks. And what I think is now locked and why it's worth discussing, and then we'll move on, I think it is, I think it is now minus a thousand that Belichick is not the head coach of North Carolina next year, which leads us to this, and then I promise we will move on. I guess he's just not going to coach again.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Like, if the NFL was leery of him after the Patriot's stent, then I guess this is just how it ends. What a crummy ending, man. And... Hey, if they just start... winning games. They're not good. I mean, I don't think they recruited the right players.
Starting point is 00:57:08 I don't think they, and it seems like there was an article on W-R-A-L, yeah, I think, which is like a Rally, Raleigh, the city in North Carolina, is it Raleigh, Raleigh? I'm going to pronounce it wrong. Raleigh. Raleigh, I think it's not you pronounce it. But Manei used to live there. The, that, about the dysfunction and the infighting amongst players, about, about it's a bad situation man by the way if you're thinking about upgrading to the all new
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Starting point is 00:58:24 Huge news. We created our own podcast called. Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast for people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
Starting point is 00:59:11 But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what.
Starting point is 00:59:31 He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.
Starting point is 00:59:53 He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers
Starting point is 01:00:09 why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Sorry. Our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny, Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers.
Starting point is 01:00:53 What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know.
Starting point is 01:01:06 This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not amuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app,
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Starting point is 01:02:19 It's time to stop putting your healing on hold and start doing something about it. Listen to Just Here with Dr. Jade on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. your chiefs in prime time again this time against Detroit um Detroit we know has looked pretty well ever since that week one loss in Green Bay um Kansas City is two and three coming off a brutal loss of Jacksonville you guys really need this one how are you feeling well it would feel like it makes up for giving away the game to the Jacks right that after the after that Ravens game when they steadied themselves.
Starting point is 01:03:02 If you had said the chiefs are going to be three and three getting Rishi Rice back, you just said, okay, like now the assumption would have been they win at Jacksonville and lose at home to the Lions. I thought they could win both those games. They obviously, you know, could have won the Jags game. We spent a lot of time on it on Tuesday. We don't have to rehash it. They didn't do it.
Starting point is 01:03:25 I am going to spend a lot of time on this game. during our pick show because the line is interesting. Of all the games where you thought the Chiefs might be home dogs, this would have been high on the list, and they're not. The Lions are the hottest team in the league,
Starting point is 01:03:46 and the Chiefs are coming off a mini meltdown against Jacksonville, and the Chiefs are still the favorites. This is what I'll say. Being two and four through six weeks, not a death knell, but not great. So how badly do they need it? They need it. And I also think they have played so many high leverage playoff games that you don't want to be playing a ton of high leverage regular season games leading into the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:04:27 And so the... Do you think the nonstop primetime games ever wave on Kansas City? Well, listen, yeah, I think the fact that they are the premier, I don't care what their record is, I don't care honestly that the Eagles won the Super Bowl. The Chiefs are the premier team in the league.
Starting point is 01:04:47 And because of that, for five years or six years now, they get everyone's best shot every single week. They, and they play, they're under the spotlight more than any other team. They have the, you know, the net, like you said, prime time, pressure, all of it, more than every other team. And I think they have dealt with it as well as any team in the history of the league since, you know, other than Brady's Pats to be totally fair. And they dealt with it to me as well as Brady's Pats. But they're not typically. in this position of a slow start.
Starting point is 01:05:30 Now, the last time they lost the Super Bowl, and I've said this many times, I'll say it again, they started that year three and four. And if they lose this game, they're going to start this year three and four. And you might say, well, they could start two and five. Their next games against the Raiders, and after that,
Starting point is 01:05:49 so they should be fine on that front. But I, I, I this is a huge spot and we'll talk about it more on Friday's show. I know you have a couple quick follow-ups on it. So Mahomes and Goff have gotten into a legendary shootout against each other before. What are you expecting in this one? I think it's going to, I think shootout is what it's going to be.
Starting point is 01:06:14 I think, and also golf, I believe, is one of the only active, maybe the only active starting quarterback that Patrick's played more than once that he's never beaten. I think he's 0 and 2 against golf. The 54-51 classic on Monday night, six, seven years ago and week one. Yeah, I think those are the only two times they've played. And so, I think that's an interesting little wrinkle to it. The Brewers can tell me if I'm wrong on that, but I think that's, and that might be hard to look up in real time. but I think that's the case. Go ahead. Golf, we know, is a different quarterback when he's under pressure.
Starting point is 01:06:59 Are you expecting a crazy game from Chris Jones or what are you expecting from Chris Jones? Well, listen, I think Chris, you know, Chris has to bounce back. It's a tough moment for him at the end of that game. I'm not going to overreact to it. It was a tough moment. And, you know, Patrick had a bad moment with the pick six. Chris had a bad moment with the play when Trevor fell down. And so you need your first.
Starting point is 01:07:21 ballot Hall of Fame guys to respond. And I expect they will. All right, next game. All right. So it looks like we got Mac Jones again. Party still dealing with that turf toe. You said there's no quarterback controversy in San Francisco. But if Mac Jones can manage to pull this one off against Tampa Bay,
Starting point is 01:07:39 who's kind of been humble as well. I don't think there will be a controversy in the building. I don't think Shanahan is going to, you know, consider not playing Brock when he's healthy. but I do think there will be a lot of noise surrounding it. And I also think the better Mac plays and the better the team plays, the more cautious they'll be with Purdy's injury that we're now told could linger all year. And I do think because of the injury, if Purdy comes back and plays really poorly, I think that they have an out,
Starting point is 01:08:20 to go back to Mack Jones without being like, we benched Brock. To be like, no, he's not healthy. And listen, I think Shanahan will just, they drafted a kid third overall. And before he had barely played, they were like, no, we're going with Purdy. They, you know, they are not, he will, he is willing to simply play whoever he thinks that season, those games. Give him the best chance. And I've been skeptical of the Niners, but you have to give him credit for being, four and one dealing with all these injuries.
Starting point is 01:08:54 And, you know, and some kiddle will be back. The other receivers, you know, will be back. I don't know how much to expect from my yuk, but they're a dangerous team at this point. And San Francisco, Tampa is just an awesome game. It's one of the games of the weekend. Hey, guys, it's us.
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