The Herd with Colin Cowherd - What's Wright - BEST OF: Stephen A. FIRES BACK at LeBron James, wild Patrick Mahomes story, why SGA is NBA MVP

Episode Date: March 15, 2025

Nick Wright reacts to Stephen A. Smith firing back at LeBron James following their confrontation at Knicks-Lakers. Later, Nick reflects on his 2017 pre-draft interview with Patrick Mahomes when Mahomes perfectly predicted his future. What has been most impressive about his run with the Chiefs? Next, Nick breaks down why Shai Gilgeous-Alexander deserves the NBA MVP over Nikola Jokic. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. What's your, about LeBron coming up to him. And then also he went on Sean Hannity's show last night. Yes. And does, and this got brought up and despite all the awful things Hannity has said

about LeBron over the years. So I have a lot of takes on this and I was going to leave this B. But the Gilbert Arena's show appearance was to me it has to be responded to. And there's so many different tentacles to this

So I will first First I want to make this point We in the media Have to be willing To occasionally Taken out Everyone does but particularly us We in the media

Have to be willing To at times be like That was a miss I was wrong I didn't handle that perfectly. And we in the media also have to recognize and acknowledge that no matter how big or prominent or wealthy or successful any of us ever get, we will never be from a fame,

or credibility to the audience standpoint on par with the biggest athletes that we cover. It'll never, Howard Cocell was not equal to Muhammad Ali. He was telling Ali's story. The audience was there for Ali. Bob Costas was not equal to Michael Jordan. He's telling Michael Jordan's story. Go ahead, DeMontz. With that point, don't you think, like,

Stephen A. Smith saying it's weak. LeBron James obviously has all the leverage on the court. Do you do not think that it's a little, I don't know? I don't want to say it's weak, but because he obviously does have leverage like nobody's going to be on Stephen A's yeah but you but you also you that's the thing so that's the thing you have to know in the media that you at some point the actual stars are the people we're talking about sometimes we can be good enough or successful enough or prominent enough or whatever

where we become kind of supporting actors, but it's their movie. People are here, they care so much about them, that we become important people because we talk about them. And so there is, there will never be a White House correspondent that is more important to the, the political discourse than the president. There will there and there will there will there will never be a Stephen A is and he has earned it earned it.

He he is the most prominent sports media member, which does make him bigger than some athletes but he will never be bigger than the biggest athletes. Like here's a good kind of, you know, back of the napkin mat. Do you remember De Manzee when I went after Patrick Beverly? Yeah. That is, I think, two people on kind of equal footing. But think about why that is.

You have me, I'm just saying we're about on equal footing. me, someone who's probably near the bottom of the top 10 in my field and someone like him who's near the top of the bottom 10 in his field. And that's where we meet. So you've got to like so the, and there was another little jab at Patrick Beverly fit in there. Um, but uh, so it is, it is so no I don't think it's unfair for LeBron to to respond we all like the and here is the other thing you got to be prepared in the moment with how you're going to respond I if they if you get checked and this idea like I got I told the story you know confronted is too sure strong, but questioned by Jalen Hertz mom, night before the Super Bowl.

And she was totally within her rights. I've told the story for nothing but good things say about her. And one of the only, there are not many bright sides for me that came out of that Super Bowl, but I respected her in that interaction so much that I was part of me, the little part of me that wasn't heartbroken about the result of the game, was happy for her because she was so adamant her son was going to win and that he was going to play great and all that happened. But in that moment, I had a choice to make. Do I snap fold my hand or do I say, okay, we can actually talk about it? What I don't think

is typically cool is to in the moment snap fold your hand and then after the fact, talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk about it. And here's the other pieces of it that I just, I'm going to go ahead and say, I have a hard time fully buying. On Gilbert's show, Stephen A said, essentially, my producers made me address it. I didn't want to. My producers made me address it. Bro,

that's not how that works. We all, we all know that. Like, that's, it's not how that works on first things first. I can't imagine that's how that works on first take. I cannot imagine. And I do not think that anybody

really believes like there is anything on that show that Stephen A's like I do not want to do this and they're like sorry you have to come on man that's not like that's not that's not a thing like maybe the day after a finals game if see if someone was like I don't want to talk about the basketball game they might be like well you have to and if not we're going to But I that's not a thing and the other thing was this because on Gilbert show Stephen A said oh I I thought in the moment this was about Brony it wasn't until I saw what LeBron's conversation mouth somewhat covered mouth not with Richard Jefferson that I knew this was actually about what I had said about him as a father.

Man, I knew it the next day. I was on here the next day and I told everyone that's what it was about. It was obvious that's what it was about. Everyone who's in these circles knows that's what it was about. When LeBron's people called you and you made fun of them, it was months ago, it was about that. It was about the I'm begging you as a father. So it's okay to say I was caught off guard. I just caught off guard didn't really know and then the other part of it like again and I say this every time and I'll say it again and

it's so funny that I texted with Stephen A the day this the morning before this all happened so like last I think this happened a week ago today I actually text with Stephen A that morning so before it all happened obviously I have and I'm still using current present tense I hope a good relationship with him but I have to be I have to be fair here because I'm not hesitant ever on this platform or on the TV show really to criticize colleagues if I think they're dead wrong. I can't just have the guys that I really like or my friends or whatever be like, ah, sacred cows here, especially when this, this is the story that continues to be the story. The implication with Gilbert and company

that, listen, maybe I'd have handled that differently, but I work for Walt Disney. Come on, man. Yeah, about like the fighting or like I was going to. I mean, that's what it seemed like was being implied. I thought the same. And like, I mean, like, come on, man. Like, listen, Stephen A to his credit has gotten in great shape and did like a real boxing thing. And would be a even, you know, at his, you know, he's in great shape for his age. And despite being a decade plus older than me, I'll say it would be a significant favor.

over most other media members. You know what I mean in hand to hand combat? If that's what we're talking about. But the idea that, oh, it's like, well, you know, hands are a little tied because I worked for the mouse. Otherwise, like, come on, man. Like what are we like that's not just. Go ahead.

I don't play a devil's advocate any longer, but this is the last time we'll do it. Do you like, like, what is in, like, is, are we saying that the only thing that Stephen A. Smith did wrong was call out LeBron James as a father. Like is everything else like in bounds? What's out of bounds? So here's, so here's what I think. That's a great follow up and a great question. The I think the I'm pleading with you as a father was out of line. It's also what LeBron was responding to. That was very clear from the morning after the event. I again, I said it on this show on a little emergency pod that we did right after or over the weekend, but before the RJ interaction with LeBron.

And it was, it was very clear that's what it was about. So that is you, now I talk with Bimani about that, but Mani says we need to normalize judging other people's parenting, which is an interesting. take. And like it's also he, you know, Bumani's, you know, glass house there, not glass house there, but money ain't got no kids. So he doesn't know how hard you guys can be sometimes. But, um, but the, that is, that's what triggered LeBron. Okay. That's what it was. Now is the criticism of Brani Fair. It, let me, I'm going to tweak how I word that. Go ahead. Well, I mean, And also like, there's a while back LeBron put out a tweet. And I get it's not Bronny that tweet.

Like it's just unfortunate that it's landing on Brony the kid when. So that tweet is I would argue. And this I think kind of speaks to how relatively well, not relatively well, but incredibly well. LeBron James has handled 25 years in the public eye. That tweet's one of the five biggest missteps of his whole career. honest to God, like it really is. But the fact that everyone keeps pointing to this tweet from three years ago as evidence that oh, LeBron was been building Brani up bigger than he was, I think speaks to the fact that after that tweet, LeBron pumped the brakes on it. Right?

Like that tweet was it put a bigger target on Brani's back. And so that was that was a mistake. that that's totally fair and that's that would be criticizing lebron you know that a decision he made like that's totally fair but that's not what this was about right so but so but to get back to your other question is is brawny james a fair target for criticism the answer that is yes he's an NBA player own man, NBA player. Is it also fair to say if this is going to be the one and only second round pick in the entire draft in the last two drafts, three drafts, that we are going to occasionally criticize on national television that if you have been one of one of the first one of the

of the more vocal critics, whether it was his summer league performance or his opening few G league games or those awful minutes against the Sixers, then if you really want to be fair, you've got to mix in the context and maybe include, oh, he's actually played really well since that moment. Now, I think it's probably like, does that make sense that if I'm, that anybody that you are is you don't have to talk about but you choose to talk about either super glowingly or super negatively or it's you know that you insert in it's probably fair to balance the scale to a degree you don't have to do that's why I keep doing the you know where he ranks amongst rookies and he is somewhere between

48th and 58th in every single minutes, games, points, assists, steals, which is what you would hope for from the 55th pick. So that's the other piece of this that I think is a little bit of bullshit. If you were, and this is not, I'm not talking about Stephen A here. Okay. If you are to a degree, I'm kind of talking about one of my dearest friends in the world, among others, but among other, not among my other dearest friends, but Monny is one of my dearest friends in the world. He's one of many people who were very loud and skeptical about Brani being drafted. I do think what's fair is if you were one of those people saying, this is a farce of a pick to at some point mention, he's acquitting himself pretty well in the G league, that he's averaging the exact same as the Lakers

first round pick last year in the G league. That he, you know what, like that, because I think it's pretty clear that the people who said this is a farce of a pick, if Brony in the G league was four points, you know, it was terrible. It would be like, see? And so I just, I do think though that stuff is,

You're only using it when it's convenient. Well, and again, I, I just, it's also not all that day to day relevant. I just, what I don't, I just have a really hard time with the sequence of, I didn't want to talk about this. I have now talked about it almost every single day on four different platforms since then. I didn't know what he was mad about when I got a call five weeks ago from his agent about the exact thing he's mad about. And anyone with kind of deductive reasoning knew that's what he's mad about. Having been on the record for 20 years about how many games you go to and about how everyone you talk to. about is welcome to come up and talk to you about anything they say and when that happens

to say it was weak and it was bullshit and this is why i started with the we're not on equal playing field with these guys he sometimes you don't get to respond like it you can respond that's Let me, don't. That's, I said that wrong. That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say is in that, I think what he's saying is I wanted a phone call so I could give my side of the story. And LeBron was saying, I don't give a shit about your side of the story.

I didn't like what you said. And I wanted you to stop it. And if we never speak again, no skin off my mind. back and that is a power imbalance because like LeBron's like I don't care about this relationship you might I don't and that just kind of is that that that's why I used the CoSell Ali thing now CoSell actually was incredibly helpful to Ali because Ali had the US government working against him and a lot of things so it's not a perfect example at all. But as helpful as Howard Kosell was to Muhammad Ali, Howard Kossel needed

Muhammad Ali in that relationship more than Ali ever needed, would need him. And no matter how wealthy or famous any of us get, we're not the actual stars. And then we also have. And then we also have to have the humility to at times just take an L. I don't know why that is so difficult for certain folks. Like and that's and I'm not just pointing out Stephen A there at all. That is that is a lot of people. Like that's a people. Well, particularly people that in our business, people in our, there is,

It's also why there's kind of this unspoken rule almost like, oh, you know, I'm in the media, I'm not going to criticize other media that I obviously don't subscribe to. I just think that is somewhat hypocritical almost. Like we can't, we we can't do what we do to these athletes and then act so wounded if somebody does it to us. us. Yeah, because I like, this guy needs to change this. Like that needs to happen. It's like I feel like judging these guys in some fashion.

And so listen, I really hope this is the end of this. I the in the Hannity thing. Produce made him do it. Well, I just, I don't. I don't. I don't look given all the things Sean Hannity has said about LeBron that I. find to be in inaccurate on their face and wildly unfair I think going on that turf and doing this was on now in it again in Stephen A's defense there it didn't look like he knew that question was coming

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He dropped 40. And then Yokic got a little get back. So they're kind of a weird situation for MVP right now. Who do you have? I think it's Shay. I don't think it's really that debatable. And I am consistent. Well, here's why, DeMonset.

And I heard Michael Malone, basically, if you're not willing to say, the NBA logo should be changed from Jerry West and Nikola Yokic, like you're not given Yokic enough respect by Michael Malone's standards. I mean, the idea that Yokic has won three of the last four MVPs. He won back-to-back MVPs prior to ever going on a deep playoff run,

which was not unprecedented, but close to unprecedented. And so, like, this idea that he's not getting enough respect is just, crazy. And here is why I feel the way I do about the MVP. And it is the same reason I felt it was very clear. Josh Allen was the MVP this past year in the NFL. We cannot play Calvin Ball with how we give out MVP awards.

And if people don't know what the phrase Calvin Ball is, it's from the old cartoon Calvin and Hobbs, the comic strip, but it's where you just make up the rules as you go. It's essentially heads, you lose, tales I win. It's where whatever the rules need to be for me to win, those are the rules. And so two years ago, the NFL MVP, Josh had these amazing numbers, and not so much Josh, actually. It was really Brock Purdy and Dak had these

amazing numbers. Lamar had middling numbers, but his team had the best record. He played, you know, great in some big spots, and they gave it to Lamar. Then this year, Lamar has amazing numbers, but his team's record is, you know, mediocre compared to the other MVP candidates. Josh had good numbers, not as good as Lamar's. The team had the better record and people were like, no, some people are like, no, it should be Lamar again. Like, well, he can't win for one set of logic in 23 and an inference set of logic in 24. That, if we give Joker the MVP this year, then we need to go back last year and give the one he won there to Luca. Because last year, here was Luca's numbers.

34 points per game. The scoring champion by 3.5 points. Nine rebounds, 10 assists. He was 34, 9, and 10 on 49, 38 splits. Joker, who won the MVP, was 26 points per game, 12 rebounds, 9 assists, on 58, 36. splits. So why did Joker win it? Because the Denver Nuggets tied for the best record in the Western Conference. They had 57 wins and Lucas team was the five seed. They had 55 or they had 50

wins. Pardon me. That seven win golf is why not only did Joker win it, but it was not close if I remember. I'm going to check real quick. Joker had got 79 first place. votes. Shea got 15, Luca got 4. He ran away with him. So this year, when Joker's numbers are remarkable, and they are

remarkable, he's at 29, 13, and 10. Shea is going to win the scoring title, by the way, at 32 and a half, but then only 5 and 6. but Shea is the, in my opinion, rightful MVP because his team has 53 wins and the Nuggets have 42.

Would you not say Yokeets is more risk like if the Thunder didn't have SGA, you know, they'd be less off good. I think if Denver didn't have Yokic, they'd be absolutely aft. No, that is, listen. that's definitely true that Denver would completely collapse without Joker. That's definitely true. But that can't be the solo standard

and we can't change the rules year over year. And it is true and it has always been true that the hardest MVP to win is the next one. The easiest MVP to win is your first. And then to win a first. a second one, you usually have to be even better than you were for your first one.

And then to win your third one, you've got to be truly in historic territory. And then to win your fourth, you have to be, have a historic season and be one of the greatest players of all time and not have any first time attempted first time winner have a real case. So and Joker is one of the greatest players of all time and he is having a historic season. But the guys with four are Bron, Will, Russell, Jordan, Kareem. Those guys have four, five, or six. I'm not saying Joker's not allowed to join that group one day. What I am saying is we can't give Joker his third MVP, even though Luca had one of the most insane statistical regular seasons ever because Joker's team was better.

And then give Joker his fourth MVP because he's having an insane statistical regular season when Shay's team is better. Like if the, we have to be consistent with it. And and also like this idea that the Thunder would be okay without Shay. I don't agree with that. The Thunder without Shea would be I mean they wouldn't be in great shape. The point I was just making was

Yonkers would be ruined. No, Denver would instantly become one of the worst teams in the league. I get that. But Shea scoring 33 a game for a team that doesn't have another established star is super valuable. So like I just

I just like consistency in this stuff. I think from the beginning and we've just gotten really far off of what MVP means. I think it should have just been the actual most valuable player as I get like the I don't know.

So this is a point brumakes and I'm curious how you feel about it and then we can get to the NFL stuff quickly and I don't know why I ever say we're doing a quick show. I don't have the capability of it. Is that fair to the previous eras.

Right. And here's what I mean. If all of a sudden we change it to just like, hey, who is the consensus best player in the league and is he having an awesome season and he's the MVP? And then all of a sudden, Joker ends with six and maybe one day Wimby ends with seven. It's like, wow. When that's not how we treated Kareem, LeBron, or Michael. like is that

like so is that fair I don't know yeah no say it again I said you have to make a new league I was joking but yeah no but yeah I mean it just and so and also

this is it should be noted Shay the going into this year the only guy on his team who had ever been an all star is going to run away with the scoring title

scores 33 a night on good efficiency only plays 34 minutes because they blow so many teams out his team has a historic net rating and they have won they are 11 games clear of the nuggets and the standings it's not like this is a

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You're not driving, are you? No, sir. Okay, all right, 10 years from now, close your eyes, think about it. In a perfect world, everything goes. great. You are doing exactly what you want to do. Take me 10 years from now. Describe where you are and what you don't have to tell me a city, but describe what your life is 10 years from this moment. Ten years from now, I hope to have a family, our wife and a kid or maybe two, and I'm playing in the NFL, one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and have a couple Super Bowl championships

with me. Well, there you go. So you already know your endpoint, man. So now that you know your end point, Every fork in the road, every decision you make, just keep in mind, that's the end point you're trying to get to. Where people screw up, at least in my SEC, is they don't know where they're trying to get to. So you get to fork in the road, and you don't know do I go left or right. But Patrick has said, it's got a wife and kids. So I guess that means he's got to be hitting the Dayton scene in the offseason a little bit, I guess. And you've got a couple quartered got a couple Super Bowl championships still playing in the league. You already knows where he's going.

He's got to figure out how to get there. Yes, sir, exactly. Step one, download Tinder. Thank you, Rachel. That is remarkable by Patrick that he said the goals that high and exceeded all of them. He said one or two kids, he's at three. I didn't know obviously when I was saying hit the dating scene that he was in a serious relationship. Yeah.

Yeah, you know what I mean? That he had the woman in mind. He had the woman in mind. and he said one of the best quarterbacks in the league with a couple championships. He's the best quarterback in the league and has three. I mean, that is a really, really cool thing. And then also him, me then like, yeah, right. So that was eight years ago.

That was eight years ago. So that was, that was, I, I had inspired. had no recollection of that. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, that's truly awesome. I mean, that's it on. He nailed it. Yeah. And so that that was really cool. So I don't know if he I'm gonna I'm gonna send if we put out that clip right there little throwback Thursday. Also again, folks who accuse me of hair plugs or anything look closely at that video. You see I have a full hair line. I just have a shaved head. I don't look like a guy who lost his hair.

Look, this is everywhere you can see. Doesn't matter. Point is, yeah, I mean, that's not a guy who's bald. That's a guy who shaved his head. Wasn't the greatest look, I would admit. Yeah, I was about to say, you can lose that one. I don't ever want to get back to that one unless you have to. The, um, but regardless, uh, I don't know.

My guess is Patrick doesn't remember that either, but if we put out that clip, I'll send it to him. That was really cool. Good for him. For the first time in his career, Rogers is a free agent. Pittsburgh, the Giants, and maybe a little bit of Minnesota, those are the teams that seem to be hawking them down. What are your thoughts? So here's what I think. I think that Aaron Rogers knows exactly where he's going

and exactly what he's doing, and Aaron Rogers wants the attention. And I don't think that. that they are still negotiating. I think that he is the main character in his story and in every story, it would seem. And he, you know, likes that, well, there's three teams right now, kind of in a bit of a two definitely in the Steelers and the Giants. And one maybe in the Vikings.

that are waiting on him. I don't understand the Vikings piece of it, DeMonsie, and here's why. It doesn't make sense to me that they were like, Daniel Jones, we'd like to give you around $10 million to back up J.J. McCarthy. And then Daniel Jones went to Indianapolis, and they're like, okay, Aaron Rogers, we'd like to give you $40 million to start in front of J.J. McCarthy like those you know that it doesn't seem like if you were if they had tried to retain Sam Darnold and lost him and then they pivoted Darren Rogers to be like okay that makes

you know that's cogent thought so to speak this one doesn't make sense to me and does you understand what I mean like I don't understand what you're saying like it's um it just seems like I'm looking for a car. I'm either going to get a Miata, two door, or a minivan. It's like, well, wait a minute. What are you trying to get out of this thing? Like the, and so I just don't, I don't follow it in that way. That's all. And so I don't know that he'll pick today. I really don't. I also will say this. The folks that believe the Steelers could be anything close to contenders with Aaron Rogers, they weren't contenders last year with Russell Wilson. Aaron Rogers at this point in his career is not better than Russell Wilson. I'm not saying he's worse. They're

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