The Herd with Colin Cowherd - What's Wright - Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford Predictions w/ Nick Schulman

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

Nick Wright is joined by Poker Hall of Famer and seven-time World Series of Poker bracelet winner Nick Schulman to share their predictions for Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford in their super middleweight title showdown. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the fight of the decade the last few years at the very least it is poker hall of famer and for my money the sharpest of the boxing sharps nick shulman nick great to see you fight of the year fight of the decade how excited are you for canello crawford so excited great to be here every time football comes back, it's like I sort of remember what a big sort of deal you are, you know, so I really appreciate this crazy because you're my boy, you know, I'm kind of just poker in the fights. But whenever it comes like, oh, yeah, so, you know, I'm very honored to be here. And I know how hard you work. So thank you, sir. Well, thank you, brother. We have been, listen, if people didn't see your last appearance,

I'm going to give a quick recap of it. So Nick told us, Manny Packyow can win that fight. Yeah, throw the shades on. Nick said Manny Pachial can win the fight and Nick got Pachial at plus 400, correct? I remember 410, but, you know. Four 10. Okay, no, no, I'm not going to short change you 10 cents. He went off at 2 to 1 plus 190 plus 200 something. You got a great number. You were at the fight with six seats and I don't think in the moment realized the gravity of how bad you got scammed in that fight. I realized he was minus 800 on Penny live after the 10th round. Yeah. So, so, Manny, somehow that fight ended up being a majority draw, which is just as painful as it gets. And, but you were definitively on the right side of it. We, and now, to be fair, also, and here's the thing, I love boxing, but I love boxing the way some of the,

professional poker world loves, you know, like the EPL where they watch it and they bet it. But if you asked them to take like a hundred question tests, they wouldn't do great on it. And so I can't speak with real authority, which is why I bring you on. But you really liked some, an undercard. And so I was like, listen, this was the one. I forget who it was, but he was, I don't want to, I don't want you to tell me because it'll spoil the story. and so I bet it. I was like,

yeah, Nick likes it. I bet it. I was rolling with you. And then we turn the fight on. And I see the guy that I bet against is 6-8-150. And I text you. And I'm like, yo, we got like a foot and a half height difference. And you just text me back.

They don't call him the towering inferno for nothing for nothing. And our guys just couldn't land a shot. But. Well, yeah. Go ahead. No, no. I mean, no, please. So, but during that preview of the Pachial fight, we talked to little Canelo Crawford.

You gave away Ivy's gambling position. We talked about this, the magnitude of this fight. And we said we were going to do this again. So I am now, and I'm also going to say one more thing. And then we're really, I'm going to cede most of the four. to you because I do this and by the way if people are watching as Nick drinks some wine I have one rule for the podcast if I am doing broadcasting after 6 p.m. Eastern I'm drinking during it. This is we are taping this on a Wednesday night. I'll loop my friend will yeah thank you.

It will post sometime I think either Thursday or Friday set you up for the fight. But I'm doing this for three reasons. One is, it's the fight of the year and it needs to be covered. Another is, I love the idea of boxing becoming super mainstream again and I want to, and I want to help however I can because at its core, there is something just human about wanting to watch two grown men stand in the center of a ring and see who wins comes out and third and this is the part that nick may or may not appreciate i happen to truly believe that nick shulman's boxing knowledge plus his broadcasting chops would make help make boxing more mainstream if he was a part of some boxing broadcasts so this is my entry point to pushing him in that direction

direction. So I am going to essentially interview you as if I know nothing about the fight, even though I know at least a little bit about the fight. So the story going in for the undefeated Terrence Crawford against the legend Canelo Alvarez is that he is jumping what, from 154 to 168? How set the table for how he even got to 154, he being Crawford, and is that the story of the fight. That's, I mean, aside from them, both being all-time greats, that's absolutely the main focal point here. A weight jump of this magnitude is quite rare. You've seen guys move up the ranks. You've seen Pac-Yau beat bigger guys. Roy Jones, Jr., nobody thought he'd ever be fighting at light, heavy weight, heavy weight. He was up there doing crazy things. Sugar

Ray Leonard beating Marvin Hagler is the the one that everybody really talks about. Nobody gave Ray Leonard a chance in that fight. And he went in there and boxed. You know, he did his thing. But yeah, to move up two-way classes like this is somewhat unprecedented in the modern era. Why is he doing it?

Well, it's interesting. You know, when they first announced the fight, I will admit, I was thinking, wow. they made Terence an offer that he can't refuse to lock up generational wealth for his family. But this is wild that the number one pound for pound guy has to go up multiple divisions to fight, you know, one of the best guys at that weight. Perhaps Canello's slipping a little bit. But that was just my knee jerk.

and even Terrence said himself in an interview that he feels his ceiling is 154. He said that fairly recently. So I'm like, I got to take him at his word. But now that things have come to a head and the pre-fight has happened and everything, I think he believes he will win. I think his team believes he'll win. And I believe he'll win. So the and we'll listen the market is not you thought I don't listen you get a sharper price probably than most would and you and you've been looking at this for months.

But as we sit here today, it's right around minus 155 minus 135 or plus 135 like is that where I don't know what you're seeing. I was seeing more like 180 160. Okay. All right. So then I listen. So it meaning with Conello being. the favorite. The point I'm making is, Canello is the favorite, but he is not a overwhelming favorite. He's not even that substantial of a favorite for our, if it is minus, if it is minus 180, just to give context for that for our, you know, football fans out there, that is the same as the Packers money line when there are three point favorite against the commanders for Thursday night football. Like minus 180 is those those upsets happen all the time. So the so is it fair to say this.

The boxing world believes Terrence Crawford's the better fighter at this point than Canelo Alvarez, but because of the weight change, that is what's tilting the scale. Not that people think Canello and this is unfair, but is purely a better fighter. You know, it's so interesting, It's like every take you hear, for the most part, Canello's too big. He's too strong. If you talk to the public, that's what everybody thinks. And there's a few takes from trainers, too, that really kind of bothered me. Joel Diaz and Abel Sanchez come to mind.

They're just saying, like, Crawford's got no shot. Love him, but, you know, he can't do anything to Canello. I'll take you back to the last time I bet against Crawford. It was 2016. I was playing the World Series of poker, and I was playing with Ivy. I was just playing cash. And once again, just qualifier, I'm not a tout. I'm going to black out and go nuts and give all my picks and plays,

but just so you guys know, you know, protect yourself at all times in the betting. But Ivy said, you know, you like the fights, right, Nick? You want to go tonight? See Bud? I said, absolutely. So he slid me a ticket and he was fighting Victor Postal. And he was something like minus 600. I got somewhere around six to one on post all.

Rangy, good japs, smart, Eastern European. I'm always high up on the Eastern Europeans in general because they tend to be quite humble, pragmatic. You know, maybe a little bit of that's from poker, but also in boxing, they're a little bit slept on. And in America, sometimes this is a popularity contest. These guys can really fight. I don't want to interrupt the story. Please. Who's the favorite in this? Going back to 2016, Crawford was a six to one favorite.

Okay, so Crawford was minus 600. Yes. You bet the dog. I bet the dog. Got it. Go ahead. So I pulled up to the arena and, you know, much to my pleasure, I realized I had the best seat in the house. And I was alone for four rounds.

as Crawford was getting his shit off, switching stances. I knew he was great, but this was like something really special. And the camaraderie with his team and everything, Ivy pulled up middle of the fourth round and spent the entire fight on his phone, Benning Basketball. Just eight, seven and a half, not eight, texting. Every once in a while He'd like pop up And come with like a yes sir

You know but then right back to work So Finally in the ninth round I said by the way Phil Do you have a side Did you bet this fight? He said oh this fight I have Crawford Nick

But you never know It's boxing Anything can happen He got this smug kind of smart You know in a Bronx tale When when Mush bet the horse And Palmuntary rips up the tick that's what it felt like. I was like, okay, right? And a lot of people don't know this, but ever since then,

I've, I've actually been business partners with Bud and the business plan. Yeah, it's, it's crazy. And the business plan, it's a really simple one. He goes out there and fights and I bet on him every single fucking time. And guess what, Nick? Business has been booming. So why would I switch up on my man now? You know what I mean? So this is. So this is what I want. And listen, diehard boxing fans. And by the way, sorry to cut you off, but after post-all, he rattled off 11 straight stoppages. They call his resume into question, but he beat Jeff Horn, who was undefeated at the time, who beat Pac-Yahu.

He beat David Benavita's brother in a fight where he didn't really engage, and then he found just a gorgeous stoppage. He beat Amir Khan. He beat Kelbrook. We'll get into it, but he beat the mean machine, Cavaliyoska. who's great please just sorry go on no no no so you got you got exactly where i was going which is and i promise for canello fans we're going to get there but i want the what really perked my ears up about this is when we were talking about this a month ago and you said ivy and now i'm going to sidebar it real quick i have this is a weird thing about the way i'm wired because of the

industry that I'm in and the people I've been around because of the industry that I'm in versus poker and the poker world. I have been lucky enough to, I mean, I guess I can say this because it was public. I didn't talk about it, but it was all over the internet. A few months ago, I'm at a Grizzlies game and at the Grizzlies Lakers and at the end of the game, LeBron James comes over, hugs my wife. wife tells her it's great to see her daps me up and like and i was as you know as um leonard decapri would say in the departed my hand didn't shake like that felt it didn't feel normal but like it was it wasn't like a as big of a thing as i think people would would assume here friday night

i'm going to kansas city to do our first thing's first show but then after the show Patrick Mahomes Steakhouse This is grand opening And I'll probably get to spend some time With Patrick Who I'd become I consider a friend

That's not like I'm not saying that For any reason other than like To set the table for what I'm about to say With that said About three months ago I was in Vegas At the World Series With Jared Blesnick

And Blez is like Hey you know what I was with blest but it wasn't blest who did this it was nacho barbaro legendary nacho i see him is for poor people and nacho says to me have you ever met ivy and i'm like no i actually haven't and nacho says he's like oh you have to meet ivy and in that moment my heart raced like i was a child like my my nerves of the situation it was so unlike anything that's happened to me as an adult because if you don't run in those circles and you're a poker fan or gambling fan,

he is LeBron Mahomes, whatever you want, like this legendary large-in-life figure, which is why I tell you all that to say this. When you said that Ivy thinks Bud might be the best ever, pound for pound, the best ever i was like holy shit that's not it that's not going to be a comment that's thrown around loosely so my question is i know he's one of all these fights what has happened over the last decade that is there a moment is there a sequence of moments what is the evidence or the reasoning someone would believe that reminder about our friends our new presenting sponsor hard rock bet everybody knows and loves the hard rock hotels and casinos and now you can use the top rated hard rock bet sports book to place your bets all NFL season and beyond hard rock bet is the only legal sports book in the state of florida the only one in florida and it's also available in arizona ohio new jersey indiana tennessee virginia illinois and colorado with more states launching all the time you can also play on hard rock bets online casino

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And, you know, that was indeed a profound sentiment from Ivy. my favorite bud moments in no particular order. Number one, the Kellbrook stoppage. Now, you can say what you want about where Brooke was at his career, was at in his career. And I've ran this back hundreds of times. And I'm not saying that to sound deep. I just, he landed the shortest little right hand.

they're both on the inside, kind of like right on top of each other, and they punch at the same time. As the legendary Connor McGregor once said, timing beats speed and precision beats power, but it shocked Brooke to where he kind of didn't know where he was. And if you go watch it for people that haven't seen it. It's the knockdown before the stoppage for the official stoppage. That's one. another one was Jose Benavides Jr. Comes to town, comes to Omaha, Nebraska, where Bud is from, starts going to the barbershop, starts talking crazy, right?

But then he gets out there and fights really not to win. Big respect to Jose and the whole family, but he's kind of on the back foot. It's hard to look great against these guys who don't really engage. He's just kind of jabbing, moving, shaking his head, nope, and somehow, some way, Bud found him in the 12th round and put him out with a crazy upper cut sequence, wild stuff. And again, do I think Canello would have beaten Kellbrook and Jose Benavides Jr? Yes, I do. So, you know, we're not overlooking the task at hand.

Another one was the Sean Porter stoppage. And there's a clip that any boxing fan knows, but it's going into the 11th round. I believe, maybe the 10th, I believe the 11th. Bud's corner says, we think he might be up on the cards. He wasn't, by the way. Porter, that is. And Bud looked really surprised. And he said, he's up.

And they said, you know, we think he might be up. And he said it again. He kind of said, how? And he looked at another member of his corner and he said he's up. And they said, bud, it's time to go. Got him right out next round. And it was an amazing. sequence. He sort of faked a left

upper cut, then let it go. It was like really beautiful boxing, sublime skills. There was one knockdown where Porter was genuinely shocked on the canvas. He looked at his corner. Then he got up. Then there was another knockdown

where they had a wild exchange in the center of the ring. That's where Porter started punching the canvas. It was a very kind of poignant moment, I guess. You know, he fought his ass off. He's a legend, but it was just kind of like, and his dad threw the towel and Kenny Porter in the corner. The David Avenisian knockout

in the center of the ring, a fairly unsung fighter, but again, this is an incredible display of power from in-close. They were off the clinch and he put him out cold in the middle

of the ring. This is when he went to another promotion, BK Prime or whatever. It was a little bit odd, but that one was shocking. And of course, Nick, the Errol Spence win in its entirety, but especially the little

right uppercut he landed off the ropes in the seventh or eighth round. That's a shot where when you watch it, you don't know what happened. Spence just went down. You have to run it back to see how crisp the timing was. This guy's throwing shots. When you think

about throwing something, it's not the timing is impeccable all right i mean that was this is crazy shit going on with this guy is an all time great and people are so sleep like the the bud disrespect has gotten wild and listen i will eat all these words if canello pieces them up and it's just another day at the office but it's not going to be he might not be able to win or overcome the weight but these guys that are acting like this isn't a generational talent who's already unified two divisions and jumping up two more to go for a third. What are we doing here?

Okay, so a few things here. That, that's why I, that Nick Schulman needs to be on these broadcasts. Any fight fan, though, there's millions of fight fans out there who could rattle off all those highlights too, but I love you, brother. Thank you. No, no, no. I know I know you're, I make you uncomfortable, but the point I'm making is you're right, a lot of people. There's a lot of fucking people, bro, who know all the stats I know.

but I am, I am aware, but they can't deliver it the way I can. That was, that was awesome. Here is my question before we go to the Canelo side of things. It's actually a two-part of the first one is this, because I'm going to show my own ignorance here. Is it fair to say Madrimov is not like a great fighter? No, no, that's unfair, actually. Okay. He is a great fighter.

and I feel really sorry for whoever has to fight that kid off back-to-back losses to Crawford and Virgil Ortiz. That's the same Madramov who was a heralded amateur who Dimitri Bevall brought into camp to prepare for Canello. And let me tell you something.

Nobody's gonna look good versus that guy. You might get the job done, but no one's gonna do that guy like. So people love talking about that performance. Like, by the way, Bud pieced him up and clearly won and had to wait for Turkey-A-Shek getting into the California Hall of Fame, eight different concerts, strobe lights, a smoke show.

It was a crazy delayed event. No problem. The game is the game, but let's not act like he went out there and looked bad. I really... That's not even why I was asking. It's kind of why I was asking, but here was the point. So Madramov is a great fighter. You know, back-to-back tough fights.

He's elite. He's very good. Very good. He is reserved for, you know... Okay, sure. but he's not a he's not a walkover that's a real fight but here is okay regardless of that I'm just looking at timeline since the Spence fight that's July of 23 but has fought Madrimov and now he fights Canello in that same time frame

I mean Canello has fought four has had four fights now I guess There's two ways to look at that. One is Bud should be fresh and healthy and clean. But how much is it the fact that Canello is just in the mix so much more, including fighting one of the Charlo brothers and fighting all of these unanimous decisions? It's going the distance. How much does that play into what we could see Saturday night? It's a great point.

It's very pertinent in activity is an issue. but for a guy like this who not only lives in the gym, everybody that's been around this guy attests to that. That's his happy place. That's where he relaxes in the gym. So this is a year-round guy, much like a Mayweather who, you know, unretired and we saw what he did to Juan Manuel Marquez,

where people were thinking, we don't know. I think it was a 15-month layoff and, you know, his boxing skills were just on full display. And also another thing about Bud, this guy's team is to me really special. Starting with Beaumac, Brian McIntyre, he just seemed so humble and so don't make it about me.

And he said something that I thought was really beautiful. Terence actually said this in an interview that when, you know, he strolled into the gym as a kid and has never switched up, same team. But as he was rising through the ranks, he went somewhere. I don't remember where. But there were other trainers there.

I don't know if it was Olympic trials or Golden Glock. I don't know what it was. But he said, Omak said to him, listen, any exercises you pick up over there, any tactics, any new wrinkles to your game, you know, bring them back to the gym. Teach him to me because I'm still learning on the job. And he says it to this day. They're always trying to add little things to their game.

Issao Diages, another guy in his squad. corner. Wonderful story. Came from Guatemala. Tried to make a better life for himself. Tried to make it as a pro. Struggle to get fights. Had a little losing streak. He was in Cali. Went to Omaha. Met Brian McIntyre, Beaumac. They struggled. It was, you know, the grind was real. And then in walked 14-year-old Bud Crawford. And there's another guy in his team, Red Spikes. And again, you can see interviews with all the these guys, there's no ego there. These are students of the game. So inactivity is an issue for me more for the guys who they're in camp, they fight, and then they're partying or then

they're on vacation. A lot of boxers, because it's a vicious sport and life happens, you know, like it's, we're human beings end of the day. But this guy has wanted to be a world champion and since he was a kid and he's been unwavering in this pursuit, that's real. You know, that that's real life and he's coming. So I don't think it matters that much here, but it's, it is an issue. All right. Let's talk Canelo before we get to how the fight. I mean, it's obvious, you know, what side you're going, but how the fight you see it

playing out specifically. Because Canello's a legend in his own right. and Canelo is the guy who is going to be, I think it's fair to say, more comfortable, not because Bud's not used to spotlight, but because Canelo's not the one having to change weight glasses. What, again, I'm going to go, as I was saying before,

diehard boxing fans are going to love this either way. So for the casual fans, how did Canelo Alvarez become Canelo Alvarez? Like, why is he a legend? So Canelo, hi, sweetheart. Hi, baby. She can definitely stop by. Both of my daughters have co-hosts the show.

Oh, my goodness. You want to come and say hi for one second, baby? Yes, she absolutely. I don't like to put her on anything. Okay. Oh, well, then don't. Maybe I'm on TV right now. You know what I mean?

I love you so much, Mama. All right. Canelo has been a superstar for a long time. Just, just has it. But he turned pro at You know, which is insane. Obviously, he has the looks.

He has the charm. And he's an unbelievable fighter who's fought everybody. His style is so cool. He's like he's become a pressure sort of power puncher. But he used to be a slick boxer kind of incorporating all the elements. But this guy's put on major fights now for 15 years. And he's a global superstar. He's an icon.

You know, I don't, I mean, we could run through all his moments. No, no, no, no. We don't. We don't have to do that. But is there, what is the, is there, is it legitimate to worry that he's obvious, well, again, tell me if I'm saying, if anything he says unfair. It's fair to say, I think clearly, he's not in his prime. at this point is it fair and if you disagree tell me is it fair to say the question is how far down

from his prime he is and if you had to answer that question like where would you put him you know it's it's it's a little bit tricky for me i think about when he fought john rider i think in Mexico City. And that was the first time I ever watched and I said, man, you know, he looks a little bit stuck in the mud. He looks just a little bit slower. But he keeps beating guys outside of Beavall. And one thing I'll say, I do think sometimes he will do just enough now.

When he fought Charlo, Charlo wasn't really engaging. if we're racking up the rounds getting out of their unscathed and home to our families you know, I'm talking like I'm in there, but like you can't really fault him for that. When he fought

Edgar Berlanga, he had a really sweet knockdown, caught him with the left hook, it was like, this shot came out of nowhere fast. But then he just sort of, he gassed a little, he did his thing, you know what I mean? One, one 18, 110, and still, when he fought, um, what's a guy's name?

How long ago? Mungia. Jaime Mungia. Oh, Jaime, yeah. Again, yeah, it's kind of like, you felt like he could get the stoppage. Mungia then lost to an Italian dude with a job. I think the guy is like a teacher or a soccer coat, like something, like a nine to five, Nick.

And it's kind of like, okay, that didn't age particularly well, but he got the job done. And his last outing against William's skull, he was struggling to sort of cut the ring off. Listen, he's in Saudi Arabia. And again, he took no damage. He came out of there with a win. But to answer your question, he doesn't look like prime Canello to me, but he's very intelligent. he interviews every time I sleep on him I find everything he's saying is very smart

and sharp and calculated and you know I believe he will be prepared to the utmost for this fight and I don't think he's sleeping on Crawford but yeah I wonder after 65 professional fights 67 you know you never know I mean father time is undefeated well what's weird is Crawford's older Crawford's like older but younger in a way. Exactly right.

That's what I was going to say. Crawford is older biologically, but seems to be the younger as a fighter. And I think that's, and again, maybe that's too simplistic. That's my view of it. What is the, are they splitting 200 million? I would have to think, uh, Saul is getting a little bit more, you know. Oh, no, I don't mean even split.

But I'm saying like the purse, the internet doesn't have this exactly right. I figured you might like, is it, is it realistic that Canello could be getting a hundred million and Bud could be getting 50 million, respectively minimum for this fight? I don't know because we're in unprecedented times where this guy, Turkey Alashik, has, come in with, you know, a big paper from Saudi Arabia and he genuinely loves the sport. And you know what? I was hating on him a little bit in the beginning. And there's some things that I still found a little bit unsettling. But end of the day, he is putting on immaculate fights and shows. And there does seem to be some integrity there as far as let's give the people what they want to see and, you know,

hopefully the judging and so on and so forth is as legit as we can hope for. Now we have Dana White in there promoting his first fight. He's in there. Is it fair to say? I don't love that. I don't really love it either. And I heard something today that they're not allowing these guys from the sanctioning bodies. You know the WBA, WBO, IBC.

You always get chills when they start rattling off the 80 belts. It's like he's the former unified WBA. But now I'm hearing White is not allowing Maricio Suleiman into the ring. Maricio is a, you know, a Mexican running one of the sanctioning. But I don't know. It's all getting messy and strange. And I don't, I kind of like the hood element of boxing. But something that when I say hood, I just mean, you know, the streets are involved in this sport.

But I want it to be fair. But some polymolognaug. brought up a great point that having multiple world titles gives more contenders a shot. You know, if you only have one belt, it's very, very hard to ever contend for it. But when you have multiple, then figure it out for a unified, undisputed champion, it kind of has some flavor, the four belt era. You know, I don't hate it. But anyway, it's complicated, Nick. I don't know what they're making, but it's a lot.

A lot. It's a lot. And it is, again, I'm going to, I'm throwing stuff at you we didn't talk about. But I, if I were to say in the last decade-ish, the biggest fights that you can count on one hand are what, I think it's pretty definitive, this is one of them. but it's like what are this is in line with you know give me a couple other fights as far as the anticipation not necessarily purse but all of it that goes into it this is equivalent or or bigger or similar to give me a couple all right ever sign up for a phone plan thinking wow amazing price and a few months later surprise your bills higher boost mobile you pay 20 dollars a

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From a purest standpoint, this is up there with anything that I think any boxing fan can recall in quite a while. So that's what I was asking. So like when we, we. But even purse-wise, they're saying this is, there's Mayweather Pack-Yow, Mayweather McGregor, and then this, as far as gate and everything, I've heard that. You know, you never know what's real and what's not. But this is up there with Tyson, with Tyson Holyfield. this is up there with Canelo Floyd

This is up there with Canelo Triple G1 Which Canello lost by the way Got gifted a draw Then this is up there with Canello Triple G2 Which he lost again He outperformed expectation

Did he back Triple G up for the first time In his career? Yes Was he was he swaggy with it And his hands were low And he's shaking his head Nope and exchanging With one of the scariest

Punchers in the history of boxing Yes do I feel he lost seven rounds absolutely but you know it is what it is that triple G how did you know dick you just could tell you felt you could feel the residual anger yeah yeah it does feel like there's at least a touch of bitterness mayweather delahoya when mayweather came out not only with 50 cent but the Mexican colored robe and the sombrero you know yeah I forgot about this is up there with these moments.

And let's of course not forget some of the shows Pac Yao put on. And I mean, you know, Usik, Fury, like there have been some huge fights. This is up there with any of them. Okay. I'm going to ask, if Canelo wins, it looks like what? If Crawford wins, it looks like what. And I was going to have my third question B, and you think. it's going to look like what but i think my second and third question the answers are the same but

if canello wins it how does it play out so i could see canello winning with sublime skills and reminding everybody what time it is and if you were asleep on him that was your mistake and he's still canello and this and that could he hurt and stop terence crawford i guess man i i guess it's possible. You know, I don't see it, but he is the smaller man, not in a literal sense. He actually has a longer reach and he's a little bit taller, but Canello's beefier. He's thicker. He has a bigger frame and he's more naturally filled out at this weight and he's been in there with some huge punchers. And he seems very, very hard to hurt all-time chin. I could see Canello, I suppose, backing Bud down and just wailing on him with huge shots and showing his craftiness and either

just winning a somewhat clear decision where Bud is is wounded in there at some point and it's just that's how it shakes out or I guess even getting the stoppage. If Bud wins. Hold on real quick. I want to stop you real quick. If some, and again, I want to make this incredibly clear, it is very important to Nick that nobody think he's trying to be a tout as he made it clear. Oh, it's the opposite.

It is very important to me, right. It is very important to me that I want to respect Nick's wishes that he is not a tout and he is not trying to be. While also I want to get his picks. So it's a bit of a. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I am the one presenting this. If someone were going, it sounds to me that if someone's like, I'm fucking better. and Canello, would you, like, betting him to win by decision would be the way you would bet it?

You know something generally. Do you not even traffic? No, no, it's a great, no, it's a great question. I mean, you have to shop around. You know, there's so many different outs and bookies and legal accounts and ways to get down. So, number one, I would say, look for the best price. If you think Canello is going to win by decision, try to shop around. maybe you get, I don't know what that is.

That feels like it's probably like, that might even be a small dog because the knockout is on the table as well, or maybe it's pick-em-ish, but. I'm looking it up. So our lines, I agree with Nick, our lines are provided by our friends at Hard Rock Bet. But I think it's like plus 125. There you go.

So what I was going to say, And, you know, I don't know if Hard Rock Bet will appreciate this, but generally those props, they, the bookies and the geniuses they hire in the back office kind of know how to present a problem that's hard to solve. You can find value in props. You know, one of my biggest wins ever was a UFC fight where I bet a guy would win by sub like plus 2,800. It was glorious, you know. By the way, I'm on a huge UFC rip, but it doesn't happen. You know, it's about time. It's about time.

And on a hard rock bet, here is just what it is. If you wanted to bet Canelo, Canelo's straight to win is minus 165. Canello by knockout, technical knockout or DQ is plus 350. Canello by decision is plus 130. So that's, look, there's a lot of, there's a lot of fans out there who've watched. all his fights and a lot of people watching this now. You know, I get that boxing isn't your main thing, but you know,

you definitely have a lot of boxing heads out there. So it's really hard to say. If you feel the size imposition will be so dramatic for bud to handle, you know, bet him to win by knockout. I think Terrence is going to take his time, find his openings, and beat the brakes off him with respect and love to anybody that steps in the ring, And I think Bud is live for the stoppage, which is something like 10 to 1. No one thinks it's possible.

I do. I think he could land something that Canelo does not see, shock him from the head down to the toes, hit him with something crazy. And I really do believe that Terrence is live to stop Conello. But the most likely situation I see in my heart, and obviously I'm a super fan of Terran. Obviously, I'm biased. I love this guy. I can't. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a huge fan.

So you've got to be careful betting with your heart. And like I said, that wasn't a joke. You know, combat sports is different than team sports. Sure. Maybe you bet the chiefs every game because you love the chiefs. No, I actually don't. I just will never bet against them. You'll never bet against them.

Cool. For me with Bud though, like, this wasn't a, this isn't a joke. Like, I, at some point, my brain. switched on to I'm just never betting against this guy. It's not the most sophisticated theory, but I've believed for a long time that he's the best guy in the world. So, you know, it all leads to this moment. But it's very interesting. And the betting market, if I may, the market for this.

And I wonder how often you think about this in football or whatever it may be. But for this particular fight, conventional wisdom. says Canello's too big. It says that this is too tall of an order. In addition to which, Canello is an icon. He's a true household name. And Terrence Crawford is like a little bit niche still.

If you go up to people who don't follow boxing, it's maybe now... That is correct. You are correct. And yet... He hasn't fully crossed over. And yet, Canello is less than a two to one favorite. I don't quite understand it.

and it just feels to me like the streets might be talking or something, you know, some big players might be doing some things. But I will tell you this, my mark, I am not a trader. I'm not a finance guy. And my market analysis historically has been rather shaky.

I've come with some theories and they don't always pan out. But I'm a little confused by this line. Well, so this is, you brought us to, and we're going twice as long as I told you we would. So I'll wrap this up. quickly soon.

But you brought us to what was, for good or for bad, what is like an element of boxing, which is if the fights goes to the cards and it's a true coin flip, is there a, which of the two fighters

is it better for, let's just call it Vegas to be the winner? Well, I'm not, sure. I'm not sure, but one thing I do know is there's an old adage, you can't beat Canello in Vegas. You don't want to go to the cards with Canelo. What about the Eraslandi Lara fight where he landed eight headshots? And by the way, I still think he won the fight because Laura was so on

his bike, but it certainly was nuanced. He landed eight shots to the dome, Nick, eight. And one on decision. And one on the points. What about C.J. Raw. who had Canelo Mayweather 111-14. Floyd won 13 rounds of a 12-round fight. What happened there? So I don't want to get too into what might be going on with that

situation because, you know, I mean, but we can all speculate as to why it has seemed very hard to beat Canello on the cards, and there have been many cards that have come in where it's that sort of feeling in your stomach like men.

has to, maybe Bud just has to win in a stoppage. I'm feeling a changing of the tides. I'm feeling like integrity might, you know, and again, we'll see. We don't, only they know how this is going to go, but yeah. All right. Do you, um, can you, before

you go, and obviously, I would never publicly, maybe privately, but I would never publicly ask you for bet amounts. But can you tell me, us, your journey of betting this fight, because it's hard for me to believe it was one time, one ticket, one trip to the window.

No, honestly, I've only made one bet so far on this fight. It's on my mind. I want it to hit. It's a real amount of money, yeah. It's an amount of money, but my theory on this, so I refresh the line for this one for two weeks now every five to eight minutes. You know, I'm prone to rumination. I have some neurotic tendencies that can turn on me at times,

but also as a gift and a curse, you know, and I've accepted myself. But one of them, or something like this, is constantly refreshing the line. My theory is that on Mexican Independence Weekend, one of the biggest fights ever at Allegiance Stadium, a lot of Mexicans are going to come to town

and start firing Canelo. So my theory, which is not particularly advanced, is that if you want to bet, bud, conventional wisdom might be, to wait. So I'm eyeing it. I'd love to get bud at something like two to one would just be delightful. However, if I think it's right now in the short term, it's moved a little bit against you. If it's by against me, you mean kind of with me, but against what I want to have. Yeah.

So if I'm seeing those tendencies, I'm going to come in again probably pretty soon. And like I said, you know, I'm not a market expert, but I've done this enough for a long time. I tend to have some decent ideas about where the lines are going to end up. So that was my idea. We'll see. And I also have some bud by stoppage a little better than 10 to 1. That would be what an evening.

Oh, what an evening. Lord have mercy. That would be the, that would be the dream. My. His name is Nick Shulman, who was a first ballot poker hall of, famer. He's seven, seven time World Series of Poker bracelet winner. He is universally regarded as

America's favorite poker commentator. He one day will be regarded as one of the best boxing commentators out there if I have anything say about it. It is an honor and a privilege to call him my friend. And when it's not football season, I get to say. spend a lot of time with him in Vegas. When it is football season, we text about other people's losing football bets and our own gambling weekends. Nick, I appreciate you. You have made me, if I wasn't already, heavily invested in Terrence Bud Crawford winning.

He's a Midwestern kid like me. Is there anything I would imagine, I don't know, is there anything you want to promote, you want to tell the audience about anyone you want to shout out before we go? go. Any other final thoughts about the fight? Anything? No final thoughts. You know, Naoya in a way fights this weekend to put eyes on him. He's arguably the best fighter in the world. And, you know, it's a true honor to be on your platform. You know, I really appreciate it. And I just want to say when we were kicking in in Vegas

and you were getting all sorts of love left and right, it's touching how real you keep it and how, you know, nice you are to every single person that comes up to you. you daps you up, you're the same way off the air. And that, that touched me. You know, that's what it's all about, man. Well, thanks, man. Thank you so much for having me on. The one guy who said LeBron, you know, who did that stuff, which I get it. It was like, wanted to fight me.

No, that was, that was a lot. Then a, I think it's fair to say, a half drunk Scott Seaver almost tackled it. Yeah, Scott, you don't want to, you don't want Scotty, but, you know, aside from that gentleman. Aside from that, and he just sort of dropped it almost like, you know, like I'll see you outside.

Yeah, it was just kind of like, it was like, all right. But yeah. All right. Much love, man. Have a great trip. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Absolutely.

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