The Herd with Colin Cowherd - What's Wright - Chiefs-Bills: Patrick Mahomes vs. Josh Allen 10, Lamar RETURNS, Bo-Liever in Broncos? | Nick Wright

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.  Nick Wright previews Week 9 of the NFL season, starting with his Kansas City Chiefs taking on the Buffalo Bills in the 10th meeting between Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. Then, Nick sets his expectations for the Baltimore Ravens now that Lamar Jackson is back from injury ahead of their Thursday Night Football game against Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins. After, Nick weighs in on the 2024 QB class and what he thinks of Drake Maye, Bo Nix, and J.J. McCarthy, before answering some scary NFL questions. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If we didn't talk ever again, I was crying. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis'clock, he's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.

So listen to Point Game on the game. I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome in. What's driving the great episode 385. As always, this episode is brought to you by our great friends at Boost Mobile. Demandze, great to see you, great looking shirt. Weather must be gorgeous in L.A. today, even though I'm sure folks are going to be a little down as the Dodgers might be frittering away this world series.

and I have the hottest take. The hottest take about why the Dodgers are down three, two to the Blue Jays. Are you ready for it? What's the, what is that? The Blue Jays are better. Okay. The Blue Jays had a better record by one game. The Blue Jays don't have a massive liability that is their bullpen.

The Blue Jays are hot and confident and weird. What did you say? Bad on ball. They're connected. Well, yeah, exactly right. Put the ball in play. And here's the other thing. We were trying to figure out how to discuss this on, for first things first today,

which is a clumsy, if you will, almost topic, not clumsy topic, but it's unwieldy, which is how do you square this circle that. We have seen this postseason, Shohay Otani, have arguably, arguably the two greatest games anyone has ever played in the history of playoff baseball. The three home run 10 strikeout game and then the two home run, two double, five walk game. We've seen that just in the last week. how do you square that with and other than those two games he's been brutal

like what are you what it is it is it's and last postseason he was banged up but he wasn't great but you can't be like oh he's not a postseason performer because he literally might have had the two greatest playoff games ever played uh in the playoffs

but also aside and this is kind of reverse yeah but aside from that Mrs. and how was the play. You don't want to, yeah, but the two greatest baseball games any of us have ever seen, arguably. But aside from that, he hasn't been good. It's really weird. And so on first things first, we determined the way we're going to frame it is,

because Brew's been calling him the boat, the best of all time. Has this postseason helped or hurt his quest for that title? Hey, nine-strainings is tough, man. Otani's pitching and he's hitting. You know, extra game. It's really rough on the body, dude. So I do wonder how much of it is that? Is that of everyone the 18 inning game took the most out of Shohei

because the very next day, after being on base nine times, he then also had to pitch. But it's, listen, I think my prediction before the series was Blue Jays and seven. I think that's still what's going to happen because I think Yamamoto is, going to is going to pitch a gym in game six. And by the way, here is, I wonder, throw in the dock, if you guys could look it up for me, what Yamamoto's World Series MVP odds are.

I think before the World Series, he was 35 to 1. Yesterday, he was 16 to 1. Because if the Blue J, if the Dodgers do end up coming back, to win it. He's 14 to 1 now. So maybe he was, you know, 16 to 1 in some books, 14 to 1 another. If the Dodgers come back to win it and Yamamoto has two complete games, two of their four wins with Shohei cooling off a bit,

I wonder if he could win World Series MVP. I mean, the smart money right now would be on Vlad because it looks like the Blue Jays are going to win it. But that is, that is something. And I have been locked in to, playoff to playoff baseball in the world series i think it's been great and i'm thrilled we're getting at least six uh if not seven games so right now yamoto's got the third best odds but it's vladdie minus 200 show a plus 230 and then yamamoto at 14 to one all right let's get to straight to voicemail brought to you by our friends at boost mobile one of those things

straight to voicemail was the blue jays austin reeves holy moly now i saw i think it was, I don't want to get it wrong. I think Kenny Smith last night compared this, him to Jeremy Lynn, which is so wildly insulting to Austin. Austin's a legit, excellent player. And they called me a madman a few years ago when I said I'd rather have him than Bradley Beal. Austin's about to get that contract Bradley Beal got in Washington that immediately became an albatross. Austin's been great. I do wonder this. and this will tell you a lot about the Lakers priorities for the year, because when Luca's there, Austin becomes less critical.

When Luca and LeBron are both there, Austin becomes almost wholly redundant. Do they consider selling super high on Austin to try to upgrade their perimeter defense and shooting, Or do they look at Austin as Lucas running mate for the next five years? I don't know the answer to that. And a lot of that has to do with how good the Lakers think they can be this season when they're fully healthy. So all that. And then they have Nick's Halloween costume, but I'm not dressing up for Halloween this year. Your little sister's going as a Ghostbuster.

So that's pretty cool. And this is. Like a little vacuum or something? A little Ray gun. Well, yeah. I don't know. I don't know if it's a vacuum. But, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think they, I mean, it's like a ghost vacuum or something. I'm not sure exactly what it is. But it's pretty good. It's a, it's a good costume. I like it. All right, Demons, A reminder everybody, like, rate, subscribe, review to the pod. A lot to do today. I am also a tad bit under the weather, if I'm being totally honest.

And so I'm going to power through. Let's get to the annual, the Bill's annual Super Bowl, their regular season game. against the Chiefs. Yeah, it is Super Bowl week over there in Buffalo and Buffalo's home home dogs this time. I know. What do you think we're going to learn more from or which team do you think we're going to learn more from in this game? So a lot here, right? And the bill's likely without Ed Oliver, which is brutal for them.

The Chiefs definitely without their starting left tackle, Josh Simmons. I do expect him back, by the way, in November, but he's not going to be there for this game. Trey Smith should be back, which is important. Those are the maybe most noteworthy injuries or absences. For the bills, the real question to me is, can this defense slow down what has become the most pro-lawful? with respect to the cults, the most prolific offense in the NFL.

That is, that's the question for Buffalo. And for Kansas City, it is actually a similar question in this regard, which is, the chiefs have, the defense the last two weeks has been unbelievable, but you're playing Marriota and you're playing the Raiders. when they have played legitimate quarterbacks, those teams have moved the ball. Now, listen, the Lions only scored 17 points, but they moved the ball. The Prince and the Jags moved the ball.

Baltimore, in the three quarters Lamar played, moved the ball. Philly actually struggled a bit moving the ball, but the Chargers moved the ball. So this Chief's defense can it generate enough of a pass rush without having to send blitz after blitz after blitz to disrupt Josh Allen. So those are the real, the focus is going to be on Allen and Mahomes, but as far as learning more about either of these teams, it's going to be more about the defensive side of the game. but I will also say this. If I were just to name a few, Bill Simmons, or Mike Greenberg, or Jim Rome,

or Joe Montana, or Stephen Ruiz, or Dominique Foxworth, some of these people are my good friends, or colleague or Colin Cowherd, my mentor and dear, dear friend, any of a dozen people who in September or August definitively declared that the best quarterback in football is Josh Allen, I'd be a little nervous this week because 20 some million people are going to watch the Chiefs go to Buffalo and what very well might be the last time

Mahomes and Allen ever play in that stadium. And I think they're going to watch Patrick put on an absolute master class. And I understand that it was very in vogue as it is every September. And again, I have been very complimentary of Josh the last couple years. But it was very in vogue to just flatly assert, oh, Josh Allen's the best player in the league after the first few weeks of the season. And since then, he's been good but not great.

the team has been just fine since that 3 and 0 start 2 and 2. And right now this year, the only win the bills have to hang their hat on is a Ravens win. That Ravens win that has not, I guess, I think it's fair to say, aged amazingly because the Ravens were such a mess. the first six weeks of the year. And this gets us to de Monzae the rivalry question. So go ahead. I'll let you. Yes, thank you.

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Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick Dick and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Like you said, this is going to be the 10th time that they face each other. So what would Alan need to do in this game for it to be considered a rivalry or a true rivalry? So I under, it is a rivalry.

I want to, like, I don't think it's not a rivalry. It's the two best quarterbacks in the league, and it is two of the three best teams in the league over the last five years. I don't think you can call it the two best teams in the league because I think you have to give Philadelphia its credit. They've been to two Super Bowls. They've won one. But it is unlike any rivalry we've seen in NFL history, where despite the fact that the teams are, you know, in any given year,

even or one guy just has a slight advantage. Early on when they were playing, the Chiefs clearly had the better offensive weapons, the bills clearly had the better defense. The last couple years, the bills probably had the better offensive weapons, offensive line running back core, tight ends, you know, and the chiefs might have actually had the better defense. And one team has consistently won the regular season matchups.

And one team has won every single one of the postseason matchups. and it is and I you know ranted about this on the TV show yesterday so I don't have to spend too much time on it here but people so badly want it to be Brady Peyton and it has just been nothing like Brady Peyton and it's maddening to me Brady Peyton was Peyton was Peyton was the guy with the multiple MVP's, Peyton was the guy with the crazy stats, and Brady was the one with the rings. In this instance, and by the way, Peyton, in their third playoff matchup, beat Brady, and in their fourth playoff matchup, beat Brady, and in their fifth and final playoff matchup, beat Brady. A fact that nobody seems to remember but me is Peyton finished the

Brady-Payton playoff rivalry with a winning record. He was one in two with the Colts and two and O with the Broncos. But set that aside. Josh and Patrick, Patrick is the one with multiple MVP's. Patrick is the one with the gaudier stats. And Patrick is the only one that's ever won. So it is far closer to Jordan Ewing.

or LeBron Toronto than it is bird magic or Peyton Brady. What do you like? The Bron Toronto is crazy. I mean, that's what it's been. I mean, that's what they, even when Toronto had the better regular season record than Cleveland, even when they were the favorite in the series, which people will pretend it happened, but actually did in 2018. Well, Holmes has always had the gaudier stats.

I feel like some years Josh Allen was beating Patrick Wilms out on... Well, no. I mean, last year, Josh was literally league MVP. And the year before Josh had better individual numbers. But I'm talking about for the totality of their careers, Patrick has more passing yards, more touchdowns, fewer turnover, is a higher passer rating. And no, no, no, the last two years, Josh has had the... the better numbers.

And the last two years, they've played in the playoffs once in Josh's building, once in Patrick's. The last two years, Josh has had the ball in his hands, less than five minutes remaining, down three points, chance to go,

slay the dragon. And the last two years, the bills have walked off the field getting zero points from those drives and the chief celebrating. I mean, that's just what's happened. And, uh, and,

So I just, people so badly want Patrick Dabber here, and he just doesn't at this point. And as far as, can this game change that? No. Could, would the bills beating the chiefs in the playoffs finally change that? Sure. But we're far a long way from it. All right, let's talk MVP. Yeah, how far do you think that this game will go and decide in the MVP?

well and also another follow up on this could the loser still be eligible for him oh yeah i mean again we do too much we just finished week eight or we just finished week eight a lot of people are still eligible for mvp yeah you're not knocked out of it here but josh's MVP case right now to me is very shaky and i listen i i was on the record throughout last season that I thought at the end of last season he was the MVP. But right now this moment, Josh's team has a good but not great record, but that's the same with Patrick. They both have five wins. Josh is, however, 20th in the NFL in passing yards. he is tied for 14th in the NFL in passing touchdowns.

He is ninth in the NFL in passer rating. And you can say, well, you know, we've got to, and we do have to give Josh credit for the rushing piece of it. So he's rushed for 260 yards and has rushed for five touchdowns. The touchdown's more impressive than the yards, obviously. on that note. Josh has not up to this point played like an MVP. And the point I was making earlier after he was unbelievable in that Ravens game and he was unbelievable in the Dolphins game.

That was the game after the Dolphins game when Mike Greenberg said he's never seen anyone play the position better than Josh Allen. Since those three game, those opening three weeks, He's been mediocre. Against the Saints, through for 200 yards, two touchdowns in a pick. Against the Patriots and a loss, through for two touchdowns, one pick and 253 yards. Against the Falcons and a loss was bad. Two touchdowns, two picks, a 73 rating 180 yards.

And against the Panthers last week, didn't have to do anything. And I mean, they won 40 to 9. You don't hold it against him. He threw for 160 yards. Um, so it is, right now, if we were talking NFL MVP as far as not projection to Monzae on who's going to win it, but on who, if the award were given out, if we had a midseason MVP, better candidates than Josh would be Drake May, who, honestly, I think would be the mid-season MVP.

I think right now this moment, Drake May has, you could argue, has been the MVP. Drake has a better case. Jonathan Taylor, if we're going to open it up to running backs, has a better case. Matthew Stafford. Yeah, I was about saying. Doesn't Baker? Like, I know he got knocked out, but given the totality, his season has been equal, if not better than Josh Allen's. Up to this point, yes.

And so right now, again, if we're voted on right now, my top five would be Drake, Stafford, Taylor, Baker, and Patrick. And then I think you'd, well, I'm going with Jonathan Taylor as the MVP of that team. if it's a quarterback only, then Daniel Jones would have to be involved. Jared Goff, some would argue, and Jalen Hertz, I wouldn't argue, but the 20 touchdowns to two turnovers is something else. And the insane passer rating, you know, is something else. It's just his yards are so low. It's a tough one.

But all those guys set Jalen aside because it's such a unique case have strong MVP cases at this moment than Josh. All right, a couple more questions on this. You joked on Tuesdays show that if the Chiefs lost the, or won the regular season matchup, that they might be in jeopardy to lose the postseason matchup. Are you at all worried about that with this game coming up? Well, here's what I find really interesting.

This is the first time these two teams, since Patrick and Josh have been there, are playing in the regular season with neither one of them in first in their own division. Usually both are in first. This is the only time that neither's been in first. And I do feel that the Chiefs historically

have had an edge in the playoff matchup against Buffalo de Monzae because, Buffalo goes all out for that regular season game. And the Chiefs to me have a pretty vanilla game plan. They obviously want to win and they've been important games, but a pretty vanilla game plan and try to use that regular season game as a scouting opportunity for the postseason game. I don't know that Kansas City or Buffalo, for that matter,

really has that luxury this matchup because neither one of these teams say it again I was going to assume with folks being hurt like you can't get a real temperature chest but no no it's because both of these teams are in a real divisional fight

neither one of these teams wants to be a wild card since Josh and Patrick have been there they've never neither one of them ever has been a wild card like and so where you have to start the postseason on the road both of these teams i'm sure believe they are still very alive for the number one seed the the chiefs get to play the cults i don't think the bills and cults play each other do they um they're saying both of them are going going at it i would think they're all i yeah because it's the the chiefs lose this game

I mean, they'll be going into week 10, the seventh seat. The bills lose this game, and New England takes an even stronger hold on the division. So it is, it's a super important spot for both teams. And I am pleasantly surprised that the chiefs are road favorites. like we've seen the bills come to Arrowhead and the Bills be road favorites. The Chiefs being road favorites with what people were saying about Kansas City just four weeks ago is pretty stunning. And if you want my full pick for this game, tomorrow's gambling show, this will be prominently featured. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet.

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Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an

a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Giamonka seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy, but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No.

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we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Coogler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. You meet the, like, the president? You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president?

Those law crusade. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one.

I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying. Yeah. It is an actual poem. Better version of Play Stupid Games win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was.

I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, DeMonze, let's get to Thursday night football as your Ravens once again try to keep their season alive. I didn't tune in for the show when you said this. Did you give us, like, the tackle that turned the tide, like a little thing? No, no. This is the hour producers being tricked being funny. All right.

So that's a pretty good one. After the spectacular, go ahead. Yeah, you say it. Spectacular season saving Snoop start. The Ravens are two and five. And Lamar Jackson is officially back and understands that every game is a must win at this point. We obviously need to win this game tonight.

What do you need to see from the Ravens to feel like we can do something in the posies? You've got to show that this defensive improvement's real. They played way better defensively against the Rams. They played a good very good to very good defensive game against the bears and now you have a dolphins team that seemed just dead. However, last week that dolphins team tore up the Falcons and that Falcons past defense has been good. And Tua had four touchdowns and six incompletions. They ran the ball well. Waddle got off like that's the best the dolphins have looked in a year.

And I do part of the Ravens playoff making the playoffs conversation to Monzae is part of that's about the Ravens and part of that's about the Steelers and the Bengals. Two of the worst defenses in the league. Both two teams starting 40 year old quarterbacks. One of them is now her say it again. I mean, we're two and five right now. We're favorites to win the division. So yeah, it's a lot of all the guys. Right.

And so it's kind of. We can talk about the Ravens just by being mediocre might be able to find a way to eight wins. And eight wins could win the division. And if you're, and we can throw up the Ravens schedule. If you are a Raven supporter, you have to feel like we are going to win our next four. Tonight at Miami, then on extra rest at Minnesota and J.J. McCarthy. then at Cleveland and Dylan Gabriel or Shador or whomever, and then home for the Jets. You've got to feel like we are going to be six and five going into our stretch run of four divisional games,

two against Sinti, two against Pittsburgh, plus New England and Greenback. So that is the math on the Ravens finding a way to make the playoffs. The logic de Monzae on the Ravens actually being dangerous in the playoffs involves the defense having a second half of the season turnaround similar to last year. And we'll see if they can do it. As far as tonight, tonight's a weird spot because we have so little regard for Miami that it feels like anything short of a 30 to 10 bludgeoning is going to feel unimpressive. Like, if you really want to feel good about Baltimore, Lamar, and his first game back in a month, has to look sharp,

and more importantly, the defense has to look excellent. Like, of course, you would take a 28, 24 win, but I don't think you'd feel great about it, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I understand. They just locked up the Falcons,

or they did what they needed to do against the Falcons, but it would be a letdown if Miami came and hung around with the Russians. Ravens, given how their season is gone. 100%. And let me throw another scenario at you of something potentially coming down the tracks here. Okay. Let's just say that in these three games this weekend, the Vegas favorite holds.

Okay. So the Patriots who this weekend, they're, I mean, they're playing a, who are favored against the Falcons, the Patriots win. And the Ravens, who are playing the Dolphins tonight, the Ravens win. And the Chiefs who are playing the Bills, the Chiefs went, okay? And I'll go ahead and add, again, if we're just doing the Vegas favorites, hold. The Colts who are hosting the, or at the Steelers, the Colts win. And we're staring at going into week 10.

The Ravens are 3 and 5. The Steelers have fallen to 4 and 4. The Patriots have improved to 7 and 2 while the bills have fallen to 5 and 3. You would be staring at the very real possibility that the Buffalo Bills win 11 or 12 games and are the number one wild card in the AFC. And the 12 and 5 Buffalo Bills, first playoff game, is on the road at the number four seed,

the worst record of any divisional champ, and they are on the road at the 9 and 8 Baltimore Ravens. And Josh versus Lamar in Baltimore is game. one of the, is the, you know, opening AFC playoff game. Crazy. Crazy opening night. But now, let me say something else. Let's say the bills beat the Chiefs this weekend. And the Chiefs fall to four and four.

They are then potentially looking at a wild card. And maybe they would have to go to Baltimore in the first playoff in the wild card. Well, that'd be good for Lamar. I mean, if we beat either one of those teams going out the first round, I mean, that's the Super Bowl. That's the Super Bowl. And so, uh, it's just, if we assume the AFC North winner is going to be eight or nine wins at this point, they are going to be hosting a really good wildcard team. Because the best wildcard team is either going to be bills or Patriots or. or whomever comes in second in the AFC West.

So Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers. Like, that's a hell of a potential round one matchup. All right, speaking of the AFC West, we've got Denver facing off against Houston. Two of the most unstoppable defenses are going head to head this Sunday. The Broncos are playing Houston. We've seen the last five quarters of Broncos football, but somebody's been pretty skeptical and kind of called the positioning

that they're in right now. We're going to play it. Oh, we got a sound bite? I think we got a sound bite. I think we got a sound bite. Yeah, for you guys. All right, let me hear it. I think there is a chance the Broncos start like four and two.

And I'm dealing with a lot of chirping because they go Titans, Colts, Chargers, Bengals, Eagles really tough, jets, giants, cowboys. How many games that? Was that eight? That's eight games. So I think they, you know what? I think they might be able to even start six and two. Don't care.

Wow. I mean, you kind of nailed it. I mean, well, we'll see. But I didn't, I thought that in that clip I had said they might start five and three. I didn't know I said they might start six and two. That makes me feel even better. Yeah. Let's save that for a potential Broncos spiral.

uh i mean you love that so you so you're standing on it you don't you don't feel differently at this point i'm going to say this what i'm going to say um bo nix has been awesome the last five quarters yeah the fourth quarter against the giants which might have just wrecked the entire giant season yep and the whole game against dallas which obviously i got stone wrong that Dallas game. He's looked great. If he plays anywhere close to that level, that team's awesome. They lead the league in sacks and they allow the few of sacks.

The defense is great. Now, Sir Tans injury is a real one and he's going to be out a month and that's significant. But I do think Broncos Texans is a really good Bo Nix test because the Texans, for all their struggles have a great defense and if bow looks now i think the broncos could win that game in theory without bow looking good and because i think the broncos defense yeah i mean the texan violate that old life right and so and tonsils injured like that's a oh tonsil's not on that team anymore he is injured but he's on the commanders so ignore that piece of it um but So I think this could be an ugly 17-13 game,

but if Beau looks good against Houston, I'll have to take them far more seriously. I find it very interesting that Vegas has no respect right now for Denver. The fact that they're one and a half point dogs against a Texan's team that's looked decent once all year is really noteworthy. to me. And so, go ahead. With a loss, with a loss, Houston would drop to three and five.

If they lost, should they start selling some stuff at the deadline? Yeah. I think that's a good take. The, if they win, they're in it. Like, this is a fork in the road game for Houston. Where they, and Houston's weird because their wins have been dominant wins. They shut out the Titans. They beat the Ravens by 34.

They handled the Niners easily last week. And their losses have been frustrating, like five points to the Rams, one point to the bucks. Touchdown to the Jags. The Seahawks game only eight, but they were dominated in that game. After the Broncos, they have two divisional games, Jags and Titans, before the schedule gets real tough, bills called the Chiefs. Houston could be an AFC playoff spoiler as far as making the playoffs,

but they have to win this game in order to do that. All right, let's go to Patriots Falcons. So the MVP race, we talked about this a little bit earlier, but it's down to three guys, Mahomes, Allen, and Drake May. May and the Patriots are going up against the Falcons, and it seems like they haven't exactly been on everybody's radar, but do you think that this game has the potential to kind of put May and the Patriots on everybody's radar?

Um, for sure. And I, I understand Mahomes, Alan and Drake are right now the three MVP favorites. I do, I think at the midway point of the season, we can't say like, you know, it's just these three guys. I think the MVP race can evolve over the course of the year. Um, and I right now, I, you know, Stafford has a great case, a great case. And to me, a far better case than Josh Allen. Drake may has a great case. And when you're a great quarterback and Drake may, might be that. Year two is not too early to be awesome. And Lamar won an MVP in year two. Patrick won the Super Bowl's second year as a starter. Burrow went to the Super Bowl, second year as a starter. Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl, second year as a starter. Like year two, you can be great already. And Drake May has been since week one playing the, as well as anybody in the league now so I I think the Patriots are better than the

cults I think the Patriots are the third most dangerous team in the aFC I think those chiefs bills pass but I don't think they right now have that universal respect to your point de Monzae so yeah I think that it's gonna be hard for them to get it only because they don't play anybody like all year long they already had the easiest schedule up to this point of the season and they have the second easiest schedule remaining they have I think you know three games left that can be statement games at the bucks home for the bills and at the Ravens everything is the rest of it is Falcons Bengals Jets

Giants Jets dolphins so The Patriots should have a really, really good record. This is one of the reasons I picked them to make the playoffs. And credit to them that post Buffalo, they've really taken care of business. Beat the Saints in a game that's probably closer than they liked. And then blew out the Titans and blew out the Browns. And Atlanta, I just can't get a beat on whatsoever. Such a weird team.

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All right, so they're throwing J.J. McCarthy in the fire. They kind of did that soft benching and had them on the sideline. And now he's facing the Detroit coming off a buy with a paid Aiden Hutchinson, who just signed a massive deal. What do you think this game's going to look like? I think Detroit's going to annihilate them. And I think that the Vikings are in real trouble. They clearly did not want to play JJ until he was fully healthy. That ankle sprain took a long time.

They trotted Carson Wentz out there week after week, even though he was injured. And I think that, you know, J.J. McCarthy, we've seen him play two games in the NFL in two years, and he's played one good quarter. Now, again, the sample size is nothing. and they have good weapons. But if I'm the Vikings, I'm very nervous about the way this season could unravel on me. And I think it's already kind of unraveling. And you see...

And Carson Wentz is gone, by the way. So it's just, it's just JJ right now. Right. No, yeah. I mean, Carson Wentz had surgery. Like Carson Wentz is out for the year. but getting blown out like you did by the Chargers is really disconcerting. And they, their wins this year, they beat the Bears in week one in the game they were outplayed,

but JJ had that great fourth quarter. They beat the Bengals by a million in week three in the first game without Burrow. And they beat the Browns in week five with, on a, a touchdown with 25 seconds left. Was that a London game? I'm trying to remember. Was that a London game? I feel like that was a London game.

I feel like that was up early in the morning. Who is it? The Vikings, Vikings Browns. It was a London game. And so I think the Lions are going to absolutely put it on them. And that might show up in tomorrow's pick show. All right, DeMonte, they want me to do a Halloween bit.

I don't know what they're Halloween version of Right-ins. We haven't done this in a while. We're bringing it back from the dead, back from the Tombstone Halloween bit. So it's time for you to fill in the blanks on the scariest team and the NFL.

Oh crap. Scariest team in the NFL. The scariest players in the NFL is and the scariest move of a team could make of the trade deadline would be. All right. The scariest team in the NFL is obviously the chiefs and the scariest players, obviously, Mahomes.

So let me do non-chiefs. I mean, it just is. Like, that's just, it's not even debatable. So let me do non-chiefs. The scariest non-chiefs team in the NFL right now is the Packers. Because if Jordan Love keeps up this level of play, that defense can be so good. And he's getting his weapons back.

Their ceiling is crazy high. The scariest player in the NFL right now, I'm going to give, again, non-Mahom's category to Jonathan Taylor because it just seems like he can pop for 60 yards at any given time, and that cult's offense has been unstoppable because of it. The scariest move a team could make at the deadline, and for me, would be the Patriots trading for A.J. Brown, Yeah.

Reuniting A.J. with Mike Vrable, giving Drake May a legitimate number one and really going for it. So those are my answers there. All right, let's do some listener questions real quick. Scott asked, why didn't you go to Toronto for the World Series and the Buffalo game? That would be a nice weekend. I mean, that would have been sick. I'm not, that is true. Going up to Toronto tomorrow night for game six and then seeing a potential game. seven and then on the way back home stopping by Buffalo for Chiefsville's.

That would have been awesome. You would get cooked in that stadium, wouldn't you? Yeah, you'd be bad. Yeah, you get fried. It'd be bad. Yeah, I'd legit need like Fox. Security. Yeah, for sure.

What's Stefan's question? Stefan asked, can we get your trade deadline wish list for the Chiefs? Listen, I've wanted A. Chan for a while. It doesn't look like they're trading him. I the chiefs have been adamant they're not adding a running back I'd still call about Camara but I think they're more likely to go after a D-Linman particularly with the second round pick Omar Norman Lott tearing his ACL

let's go to Indy Indy asked is pass rating becoming overrated Mahomes pass rating in 2018 was 113.8 and that was one of the best seasons in NFL history right now jalen hertz has a better rating than that at 114 so here's the thing the new style of play which is shorter passes very very uh good at avoiding interceptions and super high completion percentage kind of cracks the passer rating code and it's made it i agree like it is insane that the number of guys that have a pass rating above 105,

just totally nuts. And so I still think it's a good metric, but it's not good to compare era over era at this point. Because to your point, to the questioner's point, the... Indy. No, no, no. The...

Oh, yeah, the questioner, Indy. the high completion percentage, low mistake, but not a lot of boom plays is kind of a hack for passer rating, the way being a good rebounder is a hack for player efficiency rating in the NFL or in the NBA. All right, reminder everybody, like rate, subscribe, review. Huge thank you to volume and the blue duck.

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