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Episode Date: November 26, 2025

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.  Nick Wright recaps Week 12 of the NFL season, starting with Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs overtime victory over the Indianapolis Colts and what it means for the AFC playoff picture. Then, Nick breaks down Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys' wild comeback against Jalen Hurts' Philadelphia Eagles and looks ahead to the Cowboys-Chiefs Thanksgiving game. After, Nick discusses Baker Mayfield's injury for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and debates whether or not he should jump ship to the Los Angeles Rams' bandwagon. Later, Nick grades Shedeur Sanders’ first win with the Cleveland Browns, jumps around the league in Quick Hitters, and answers your questions. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She's an outsider to win the French friend. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lernerabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcasts on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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DeMonze could be back to the pod, certainly, before the stretch run of the NFL season. But a ton to do today, and unlike last week, the Chiefs are not coming off a devastating, heart-wrenching, keep me up at night loss. So we will start with the Chiefs instead of with the NBA. I know that annoyed some of you last week. I want to make this clear. It's totally legitimate that it annoyed some of you last week. It would have annoyed me too, but you know what?

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Dominating the time of possession, dominating the yardage battle, and just not making championship plays would have signaled that this chief's team simply doesn't have the juice of championship. chiefs teams in years past. Thankfully, however, they are the chiefs. They do still have Patrick Mahomes and Chris Jones and Andy Reed. And despite fumbling inside the five-yard line while trailing by 11 in the fourth quarter, they then played perfect defensive football, good but not great, offensive football,

and it was enough to potentially derail is probably too strong, but really throw a wrench in this magical indie season and give Kansas City a chance to in 48 hours be for the first time or just the second time all year, two games above 500 really have their head above water and be able to have the mini-bye, take a deep breath before a very difficult stretch run of final five games,

two of which are cupcakes, the Titans and the Raiders, and three of which are teams fighting for exactly what the Chiefs are fighting for, aFC playoff spots and AFC playoff seating, with games against the Texans, Chargers, and Broncos. So how did they do it? Because right now they are still the 10 seed. They went into the week, the 9th seed,

but they come out of the week despite the win the 10 seed because the Texans won, the Chargers were off, the Jags won, we'll get to those games later. So how did they do it? They did it because the defense absolutely shut down start to finish Jonathan Taylor in one of the most impressive defensive performances any team has had all year.

They allowed 20, but seven of them were on a drive that started at the three, thanks to Patrick's interception. And so to essentially hold the highest scoring, highest yardage, most efficient, offense in the NFL to 13 points without forcing a turnover is just a remarkable job by that chief's defense and for the Colts to have the ball up 11 and go run pass pass and then have the ball up three and go pass pass pass.

pass and then have the ball up three again and go pass pass pass before you go to overtime and you go pass run run it's just it is a testament to the fact that the chief's defense was able to convince the cults by the fourth quarter of this game, you're simply not going to get Jonathan Taylor going. But it also, and it also was a testament to the fact that the Chief's defense right or wrong simply said, Daniel Jones, go ahead and beat us, we don't think you can. And he couldn't. And that gave the Chief's offense and Patrick.

just enough bites at the apple that they were able to overcome a really sloppy game. Not just the turnovers, but the red zone inefficiency, the missed open guys, and the herky-jurkey nature of the offense. And Rishi Rice, in the second half of that game, really for the first, time, maybe since his suspension, certainly since his first game back from the suspension, looked like the player that we saw at the end of his rookie year and the beginning of last season before he got injured, which is just a dynamic elite yard after catch player. Xavier Worthy made a huge play.

Noah freaking Gray made a catch while unconscionable. which is still one of the more remarkable feats of this NFL season and the chief's offense did just enough against the Lou Anarumo Colts defense to where they're now stabilized by the way that is now four consecutive wins by Patrick against Lou Anarumo his alleged Cryptonite. Four wins in a row. After losing the first three games he faced against him, he's now won four straight. But the story of the game is the defense. The fact that the Colts had 13 3 and outs all year going into that game, which is remarkable. And I don't know how many

they had total in the game, but I do know they had four straight to end the game. And And Chris Jones, who has been, I think it's fair to say, underwhelming this year, picked a hell of a time to make his biggest impact. And listen, I know, I was watching the game with Danny. And Danny was, you know, we were talking about the chiefs and whether or not, you know, I think they have another gear and just watching. I think the offense hasn't looked quite as good. And I made the point, and this, maybe this is an excuse, maybe it's a justification,

but there's just not a lot of comparisons for it. I made the point of, I do think the chiefs, and this can apply to the coaches and the players, have to play a different style and a different brand of football. than every other team in the league because they are going on what they hope is their eighth consecutive 20 game season and the ability to peak at the end of the year to have your key guys healthy at the end of the year to have enough juice left in the tank and i bring that up with Chris because it is totally fair to say Chris Jones has not lived up this season to his reputation, to his contract, to all of those things.

But also, and I know this is not apples to oranges, but when you see the impact one 20 game super high usage season has on a guy like Sequan Barkley and more on him, it a bit and you see the lions it's like man couple really good years and now they seem to be scuttling a bit the rams who have been unbelievable had a you know in the midst of from when they won the super bowl to right now where they are the you know the super bowl favorites they they had a year where they won what six games where it all came apart for a season and so listen maybe chris was just not playing well or maybe there is a level of man i'm a 30-something-year-old detackle that's played the equivalent of eight seasons in the last seven

and i i need to make sure i have a gear that i can get to come thanksgiving time i don't know i just do know that by year eight of the Patriots run. So the Patriots initial run, 0-1 through 08, they had a year in there where they missed the playoffs. They had another year in there where they lost in round their first playoff game. They had another year in there where they lost in round two. and then 08 they miss the playoffs entirely when Tom gets hurt 09 and 10 are disappointing short playoff runs don't make a conference championship game

and then from 11 to 18 they go on their eight straight conference championship appearances five Super Bowls three victories which is you know the chiefs have done the five Super Bowls, three victories in seven years. And by 2018, that team was leaking some oil. And by 2019, they were done, just done, losing to Ryan Tannahill at home in the playoffs type of done. And so I just, I think it's very, very difficult to watch the Chiefs and determine are they just not as good?

Or, you know, have the, have the games caught up to them? Or are they likely, as they have to be fair, every other year of, you know, as this dynasty has gotten to your 5, 6, 7, simply have an extra gear for the playoffs and for the late in the season. Now, for Kansas City, the playoffs really have started. It's not single elimination. but it's damn close to double elimination. And the Cowboys game is going to be really hard.

I don't think the Cowboys defense is quite as good as it has looked the last two weeks, but it's obviously improved. And that Cowboys offense is exceptional. And really good pocket passing quarterbacks have given Kansas City some trouble as far as the inability to get off. the field the inability to generate a pass rush so i don't think that cowboys game is anything close to a

cinch however i do think that if both the cowboys and the chiefs are coming off season saving for the time being stirring home comebacks and then a very short turnaround to what will be the most watched regular season game in the history of professional football. Cowboys Chiefs on Thanksgiving. I do think the Chiefs are more likely to handle the jubilation of the win and the short week and the stage.

They're more likely to handle that game with professionalism and attention that it deserves. than Dallas is. And I also think that while the Chief's offense has been uneasy or uneven, I should say, when they have played bad defenses, they've looked exceptional. 37 on the Ravens, 28 and should have been 38 on the Jags, 30 on the Lions, 31 on the Raiders, 28 on the commanders.

Now you can say the bills have a bad defense, but the bill's bad defense is it's run defense. And the chiefs aren't really built to take advantage of that. So should be a great game. Cowboys barely holding on to any playoff hope. The chiefs have real reason for optimism, but they got to win Thursday. But it all would have been moot had they lost to the call. And the cults, on the other hand, I called them the 2024 Vikings early in the year, and I'll go ahead and stand by that.

And I think the cults, I think they'll be fine. But what I do know is their final six, and they have, my opinion, the cult started looking shaky three weeks ago. They lost to the Steelers. They got very fortunate to win against the Falcons in Berlin in overtime. They lost to the Chiefs. And now they go Texans, Jags, Seahawks, Niners, Jags, Texans. Six straight games against teams playing for something.

Four divisional games. three total road games Colts Colts need a win on Sunday against a Texan's defense that's going to be extra rested and feeling the best it's felt all year and they should have C.J. Stroud back.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, the Eagles blew it against Dallas. There's no other way to put it. And the Eagles, here is my takeaway, honestly, from that Eagles game. A.J. Brown is not wrong. There is something wrong with Philly's offense.

Philly's offense this year has eight halves. They've played 24, obviously. No, actually, that's not obvious. and I think it's wrong, because they've already had a buy. So they've played 22. In eight of their 22 halves, so more than a third, they have scored seven or fewer points. They have three scoreless halves of football.

Only the Titans are worse. And there are, they do not have Sequin to San Francisco. them this year. I know he's on the team. He ain't saving him. And this was the most predictable year over year decline imaginable. Literally every running back save one in NFL history that has had Seguan's type of workload last year saw a significant drop the following year. A lot of guys, their production dropped by half. That's what we're staring at with Sequin. And while the passing game at times looks dynamic,

they just can't string together a whole game. And right or wrong, Siriani consistently shows us with his decision making that for some reason or another, he does not fully trust Jalen. And the end of the half was bizarre. You have 18 seconds, you have the ball in the 30. And in today's NFL, you're 25 yards away from field goal range.

We know you think Jake Elliott's got a big leg, because later in the game, you issued a fourth and five attempt to kick a field goal. and seriani's explanation after the game was well the cowboys kicker is such a big leg we don't want to leave them time there was 18 seconds

there was no scenario at all except for a turnover where the cowboys were going to touch the ball much less kick a field goal even if you just threw four consecutive incomplete passes that takes a seconds like so that didn't make sense and Philly is obviously in good shape because of the division they're in so they're they're going to be a good seed they're going to be a division champion

they still have three games left against the commanders and raiders they're going to finish with a gaudy record I'm not worried honestly about any of those those things but The flashing siren that's been what is up with this offense continues to go off. And now getting Lane Johnson back, if you get him back in a month or so, that should help. But he's only been gone one game. And if I'm Philly, here's the other thing that I hate about this loss. my path to the one seed is now so much trickier.

In fact, I'm going to look. The Wild has got me going to this as my go-to. And I've always kind of actually liked this, but I used to use football outsiders or Aaron Shatz's. But the New York Times playoff predictor, they have the Eagles at 26% for the one seed. The Rams up to 57%. That's a big deal.

The extra playoff game plus not having the huge edge of potentially a warm weather contender having to come to your building. And right now, the projected playoff field of the Eagles being the two seed and hosting either the lions or the Niners, I wouldn't love either of those spots if I were filling. And by the way, speaking of the Niners, just real quick, I have never been proven more right more times than every time the Niners tried out either Mac Jones or Brock Purdy or all of last season.

For what was once such a controversial hot button take that Brock Purdy is not a force multiplier and is a Kyle Shanahan Niners amazing skill position player creation? Last year seeing him without those great players, this year seeing Mac Jones outplay him, and then last night seeing him throw them, three picks it's just every single time and i i know the the arguments i've won because they start becoming less and less uh prominent on the tv show i'm like okay the cost of being the annoying guy

is when you just smoke you're too much more likable co-hosts in a multi-year argument you just have to you have to take the win but take the win graciously, which I'm not always great at. So, Philly, I don't know. And here's the other piece. It can't all be on the offensive coordinator in Philly. I'm not saying Petulow is doing a great job, but if he's doing that bad of a job, then Siriani take over. but you have an offensive-minded head coach, you have a quarterback that carries himself like Michael Jordan,

figure it out. You have too much talent on that offense. That's an awful loss. And Dallas, on the other hand, right now, the Quinn and Williams trade is aging great. He's been excellent. I was not a fan of that trade. I still am not a fan of that trade,

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Customers will pay $25 per month as long as they remain active on the Boost Unlimited Plan. All right. Shador Sanders got the win and was named at least for the time being the starter. I thought it was noteworthy that they said Gabriel has cleared concussion protocol. But Shador is still the starter. That is obviously the right call. And I don't, I find so much of the Shador commentary to be disingenuous and idiotic

that I try not to swim in those waters, even though, man, oh man, if you are trying, if you are basing your Shador takes off What gets engagement? It's a very hard flame to avoid. So if you just, I mean, this is anecdotal, obviously. But yesterday's first things, first clips on Twitter, if I'm just looking at it by retweets or comments.

see and I'm not going to say what the topics were but just see if you can guess which one was the Shador topic number of retweets and in comments total on the first things first clips from yesterday's show clip one 199 clip 2 26 clip 3 44 clip 449 clip 449

clip 5 36 clip 7 85 clip 9 33 clip 12 or clip 10 sorry 32 clip 111 158 clip 12 158 clip 12 65 5 clip 12 65 clip 13 37 clip 14 172 one of those out to you guys, gets the people going. And so I also think part of that, the reason that that commentary has gotten so snake eating, it's tailish, is there are a lot of folks who their only outlet is their social media feed. And so all they have to go on is reaction. to things they put out on social media.

And so because of that, they're like, well, this is what people want. And this is what people have strong opinions on. The Shador thing to me is very, very simple. And I will do it as efficiently as possible. Shador, the player compared to Gabriel. And why Shador should be the starter. There is absolutely no chance, none. that Dylan Gabriel is ever an above-average NFL starter.

It would be delightful if Dylan proves me wrong. If Dylan Gabriel's friends or family see this clip, he uses it for motivation, grows a few inches, and gets a lot better. And then you can be like, Nick, you idiot, that's fine. I think it's 0% that he's ever an above-average NFL starter. And I think it's close to 0% that he's ever even, just a full-time starter.

It doesn't mean that's a bad draft pick. If he can just be a competent, backup, stopgap quarterback, that's worth a third round pick. So that's Gabriel. Shador has just enough traits and just enough collegiate pedigree and just enough

oh wow, look at that play that I give him a 5% chance. 5% 1% 1 in 20. of being a plus starter and a 10 to 15% chance of being a full-time starter for somebody, the Browns or otherwise. That and that alone is enough to say, all right, let's use these last half dozen games

to see what Shador has before we make massive decisions this offseason with our multiple first round picks. So in that regard, I greatly prefer Shador to Gabriel for the Browns right now with what they're trying to do. That's take one. Take two. What did I think of Shador's game? I thought it was fine.

He had one really nice chunk play over the middle, another potentially really nice chunk play to Jerry Judy. That was a really nice chunk play until Judy started celebrating early and fumbled. He had one grizzly interception, and then two swing passes, one of which went for a 60-yard touchdown, the other of which damn near got the Raiders back in the game, a bit of a mixed bag, and he was fine.

But that being fine was the most important thing. What he couldn't be was awful or in way over his skis. And he wasn't. And so that's positive. And then there is the third point, which is Shador's disposition or personality or comments before and after the game. And I don't think that Shador means any harm. And I do think he is a. a very likable guy, and from all accounts, a really good guy.

And I think he has handled growing up very rich and very famous better than most young people would. I believe that. I also think that while I always encourage confidence, particularly in athletes, particularly and guys that want to be starting quarterbacks. Some of Shador's comments have butted up against what I believe to be, and maybe he'll prove me wrong, delusion. So Shador really harping on, imagine what it'll look like when I have a full off season.

Imagine what it'll look like when I have all the practice reps. assumes to get a little litigious for a moment, some facts not in evidence, most notably that at any point in the near or even distant future, but certainly near future, that you're going to be a team's unquestioned starter, which the only way you're getting all the off-seasoned reps, all the practice reps is if you are the unequivocal QB1 for a team.

And I do not think that Shador is on the doorstep of that. And I also think if I had to crystal ball it and say 10 years out, is it more likely than not that there will ever be a season where Shador is. simply a team's incumbent, no competition involved, starting quarterback? I don't think that's going to happen. Shador clearly does. And good for him for believing it. I,

I don't, it's not that I did. I didn't like the comments he made before and after the game because I thought they were arrogant. I didn't like the comments he made because I thought he, it showed that he hasn't come to grips with where he is in the NFL quarterback hierarchy. So like, unless he just absolutely falls out in a way that would be truly unprecedented for a fifth round rookie and would be top five percentile for any rookie of any round of that position over the final six weeks. he is not going to enter next year as the clear-cut starter for any team. And it is going to take some really special performances over this last six weeks for the Browns to decide we're not spending a first round pick on a quarterback next year. and we're not trading for Kyler Murray or bringing in, you know, this year's version of Daniel Jones, whatever it is. And so I, I, while I find Shador's biggest detractors to be typically bad people,

and I find Shador's biggest supporters to be typically. very annoying people i am rooting for him but i think i mean we'll see how these this next month goes but i i think that he would serve himself well if at least internally and psychologically he reset his own personal expectations to where man Next year, I'm going to go into camp as the clear-cut number two somewhere. And then maybe by year three, there I will be able to compete for a starting job somewhere. That to me is a far more realistic and achievable path than imagine when I'm getting all the reps as the starter. Buddy, I don't know that that's happening ever.

And then, of course, the story of the game was the 10 sacks from the Browns. Listen, I said that I thought Miles Garrett might break the sack record against the Raiders. In their effort to make sure he didn't, everyone else got, you know, got. Gino. He had three. He's going to break the record. And I, the fact that he's only minus 850 for defensive player of the year surprises me. I think there's, I actually think there is value in that because I think he could get hurt next week and still winning. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? huge news. We created

our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And... Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Last night, a blown call changed a game. The morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real.

From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsSlice on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris.

Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian went. I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface, because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat.

to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, the other news of the weekend was John Morant calling Clay Thompson a bum, and they're back and forth. And I have two takes here before we get to the other NFL games that we'll do in quick hitter fashion. Take one is this.

If you think John Morant was a better player than Clay Thompson, I don't respect your basketball opinion. It's a basketball IQ test. First of all, I'm not, the only way you could have that opinion is if you're basically being like, who would win a one-on-one game. And I'm not certain that peak Jha against peak Clay, that peak. that peak jaw would win. He probably would because of the athleticism. But Clay's defense, shooting, and size would have him right there.

But who gives a shit who would win a one-on-one game? Clay Thompson was the more complete player, obviously the more mature player, understood how to play winning basketball, was the better teammate all of the above. So that's just about the, the the children and fools on the internet that are like well jaw has a point you guys don't know what you're watching the second point is this we are approaching defcon one for ja's career

in a way i cannot remember a player his caliber because he was a great great player, great player, that the only guys who have, his caliber, who have blown it up like this, like he appears to be trying to do, it was because of drugs or injury. Like, this is a clumsy comp, but I'll stand by it. He is barreling towards a poor man's version of the Derek Rose trajectory. except it'd be instead of blowing out your knee, you're just an asshole. Like Derek Rose, who won an MVP, by the way, who made a conference finals, who was on a 60-win team. His career got derailed because he blew his knee out.

And before he blew his knee out, ran into LeBron at his apex. Jaws just being a fool and it's a damn shame. And I don't know that I have much of a comp for it across sports. Usually drugs or injury. This is neither. This is rank immaturity. All right, let me quickly get to these other games. And then we're going to, we'll do our pick show tomorrow.

Rams beat the bucks, Baker's injured, my beloved bucks are in trouble, and Stafford has won MVP. I mean, it's too early to say he's one MVP. It would be shocking if he doesn't win MVP. I don't know what those odds are, but right now, I would, if you could do it,

I'm not sure if our friends at Hard Rock Bet allow this, but if you could parlay Stafford MVP plus Miles Garrett defensive player of the year and get you know plus anything on it I'd like that a lot

Patriots beat the Bengals in one of the Patriots least impressive games of the year and only scoring 19 on that Bengals defense not great you might be like well they won 2620 there was a May pick six

and later there was a Flacco pick six. The Bengals, man, I'd be so, Jamar Chase had a very nice apology letter that seemed sincere, but I'd be so mad at Jamar Chase if I were a Bengals fan because I think they can win that game if he's there.

And then you're four and seven about to play the Ravens and potentially just be a game out of the playoffs. Packers beat the Vikings, 23 to 6. J.J. McCarthy. legitimately might be the single worst player in the entire NFL. Packers' defense is unbelievable.

Packers' offense still a little shaky. And Lions beat the Giants in a bad win. Great job by Jamar Gibbs. James probably should have been the Giants starter week one, not Russell Wilson. And James should be a starter somewhere next year. But the Vikings, they might, you know, the last time a super high first round pick only got one year was Josh Rosen and his team replaced him with Kyler Murray.

That's the last time this happened. It might happen again, getting only one year because he didn't play last year, because he might get replaced by Kyler Murray again, because he could, Kyler could go to the Vikings. The other quick hitters. Monday night football, we talked about a bit. The Panthers, good job, good effort on the season. You were competitive, but you're done.

And the Niners are frisky. As long as Christian McAfree's healthy and Kyle Shannon is calling plays and Bob Sala's calling the defense, they're frisky. Purdy is concerning. Oh, we didn't talk about Texans' bills. and listen, I know how we all know the rules, guys. When Josh Allen's great, he's the most talented quarterback ever, and when he's bad, it's Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott's fault.

He was bad against the Texans. That that Texan's defense is also ferocious, and that's a scary team down the stretch with the defense playing that way. Seahawks beat the Titans 30 to 24 in a game that was not nearly that close. Cam Ward actually played well. I thought that was one of the better Cam Ward game. of the year. Seahawks had full control. Jackson Smith and Jigba may be stealing the offensive player of the year from Jonathan Taylor, possibly. Ravens beat the Jets 2310 and a game the Jets

were in a ridiculous fourth down call by Aaron Glenn when the Ravens offense had done nothing combined with a breeze hall fumble made it to where the Jets, you know, squandes, you know, squand what could have been a close fourth quarter. Something's wrong with the Ravens offense, and Lamar hasn't been Lamar. Bears beat the Steelers. I knew Aaron Rogers was idiotic for him to play. He didn't play.

Steelers scored 28, 21 on offense, 7, because of a terrible Caleb Bumble, and the Bears get to 8 and 3. Jags beat the Cardinals 27, 24 in a game that I don't want to talk about for two reasons. One is Trevor was terrible, but more importantly, I don't want to get into the full details of this but have the Cardinals won that game, I would have won $34,000.

And watching how that game ended was difficult to deal with. God, that's a little pit. I didn't lose, I lost less than a grand. but I had I did a very foolish multi-legged money line parlay that when that game

went to overtime every other leg was already in and you guys know I'm on team never ever cash out under any circumstances so we let that sucker ride and that was a painful one Falcons beat the Saints 2410 in a game I didn't watch

second of. So that covers week 12 in the NFL. We will do our pick show that will air tomorrow. So be on the lookout for that. Like rate, subscribe review. Make sure you get our pick show in your

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We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel,

help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed the game.

This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12.

and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless, and at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast

for no nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garros. She's an outsider to win the French name. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lennar Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface.

Listen to the Renee Stubb. tennis podcasts on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes

for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an I-Hart podcast. Guaranteed Human.