The Herd with Colin Cowherd - What's Wright - Is Victor Wembanyama MVP? NBA Playoff DREAM scenarios + NFL stars in Olympics? | Nick Wright

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.   Nick Wright discusses whether or not the crown for best player in the world is up for grabs between Nikola Jokic, Victor Wembanyama, Luka Doncic, and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. Then, Nick discusses the Los Angeles Lakers' latest loss to the Detroit Pistons, and LeBron James being held scoreless in the first half. After, Nick reveals his NBA playoff wish list for dream matchups, his thoughts on March Madness, and whether or not NFL players should play flag football in the 2028 Olympics. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Those seem to be a little in conflict. but I'll take it. A lot to do today as this is where, so we will get to the tournament later in the show, but there are certain things that are major sporting events or moments that I just, you know, self-awareness is key to success in anything. And I think the audience, if you're a die-hard college basketball, person and you listen to college basketball pods or you're watching the games all throughout

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is when it finally starts to feel like every NBA game matters, where there's real stakes attached to seedings and how things could fall. so we'll get to all of that. And Wimby came out yesterday and with his chest said, yeah, I think I'm the MVP. Should be noted, by the way, if he wins MVP, his next contract is $50 million more than if he doesn't. And so now he has an opportunity this year or next year for that.

And so there is, you know, he obviously, has a case, but he also has, I don't think this is what he's thinking about, but major financial incentive because of the odd way the NBA does max and supermax and what you are or aren't eligible for. So we'll get to all of that, but first, straight to voicemail presented to you by our friends at Boost Mobile. Kevin Durant moves into the top five all time in scoring, which also does mean Michael Jordan is no longer the top five in. scoring, which does also mean it's kind of hard

to find the things Michael Jordan is first in. You know, field goal attempts per game in the modern era, he's first. Points per game, he is first, scoring average. But Luca's on his neck on that. Luke is less than one point per game behind him and could run him down.

but here is the thing that I really want to focus on with the Durant piece of it. LeBron is first all-time in points, first in shot attempts. Kareem is second all-time in points. Kareem is second in shot attempts. Karl Malone is third all-time in points. He's third in shot attempts. Kobe is fourth all-time in points. He's fourth in shot attempts.

Michael is sixth all-time in points. he's fifth in shot attempts because Kevin Durant is fifth all-time in points de Manzay while being 13th in field goal attempts. That's pretty remarkable. And I wouldn't call him that, but he does have a case that he's the most efficient scorer ever. Okay. And he does certainly have a case that he is, and not only a case, I might agree with him

if he were to say he's the most versatile scorer ever, being able to be elite from everywhere. Go ahead. Who will be better than him? Who would you give the title to the best score? As far as best scorer? Just best. Yeah.

I just bet get a bucket guy. I mean, I think Braun and MJ are the two best. Now, people blanche when you include LeBron in that. Because it's like non-iso game. Yeah, well, because they, for some reason, people are like, well, getting to the bucket doesn't count. Yeah. But it does. And so like the, you know, Apex LeBron was as surefire of a bucket as anybody, including game-win.

buzzer beating layups and dunks because you just couldn't stop him from getting there. But when people say score, a little too often score is conflated with jump shooter. Because also super high on the list for me of best scores ever is Kareem. Because he had an unguardable shot that scored, the skyhook. But when people say best scorers, they will mint. shit some people mention Alan Iverson before they mention Kareem because they look at they what they mean is perimeter guy who you know shoot tough jumpers yeah and so but I'm going to tell you someone else who might finish his career with the strongest argument and that's

Luca yeah Luke is as good of a score and we're not even talking about the points he creates for other people, but Kevin Durant's on the very, very, very short list and getting to fifth all time in points while being 13th in field goal attempts, only Brun did something similar, where he was way, way outpacing his career ranking in points. And he was way higher on the career points list than he was on the shot attempts list. So shout out to Kevin Durant. We're not even supposed to a full topic on it.

We kind of did. Pacers get their first one in five and a half weeks against the magic. That's actually really good for the Lakers that the Pacers finally won right before the Lakers play them. Now the Pacers can get back to losing. And Emil O'Doka says Houston disrespected the game. The Rockets are in free fall. And they are the team everybody is going to want to face in round. one. Reminder to everybody, like, rate, subscribe, review to our channel. It really does help us.

And also a reminder, keep sending in questions and comments. If you don't get them read on the show, don't despair, not that you despair anyway, but don't, we are going to do mailbag episodes as our third episode of a week periodically over the next few months. So we, you know, we're calling quite the list. or cultivating quite the list, and we'll get to those as many as we can at some point. All right, De Manzai, let's get to Victor Wimbunyama, best player in the world and the NBA MVP race. Yes, so on the TV show, you said that you believe Yolkid still has the title

for Best in the World, but that's for now because we have the postseason coming up, and guys like SGA, Luca, and Wimby will be gunning for that spot. Do you think that it's actually up for grabs and that any of those guys can do it? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So I think that if any of those, let's just go one by one. If the Thunder win the title and Shea, he's either going to win MVP or come in second, I would imagine. He's a huge favorite to win it, but it's not over yet. and Shea goes regular season MVP, finals MVP,

followed up by regular season MVP or runner up and finals MVP in back-to-back years, then he is the best player in the world. You can't, there would be no instance in league history where someone peeled that type of back-to-back season without being regarded as the best player in the world. So the, you know, Isaiah Thomas won back-to-back championships and won finals MVP, but was never close to a league MVP, and people didn't consider him the best in the world.

But everybody else, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, when he won his back-to-back without Shaq, He didn't win league MVP either of those years. So it at least was, you know, for many, arguable him versus Braun. Steph, when they won back-to-back, he won back-to-back MVs, but only won one title. And then the guy who beat him, the second year he won MVP was LeBron. And then the next two years, they won back-to-back titles. but Durant won finals MVP, but again, there was Braun hovering over all of it,

so it was at least, you know, in real question, particularly because people thought the Steph KD combo was, you know, a little unfair. So that's why there wasn't a, I think LeBron was pretty universally regarded in 1718, as the best player alive. And there wasn't somebody that said, I have all the hardware that you can win.

She would have all of it. And so Shea would have the argument. Luca is, here's the thing, DeMonte. I think that if the Lakers won the title, there would still be some hesitation to call Luca the best player in the world because he is so polarizing to a degree. but and what some people just don't like his game

just you know the and he has a glaring yeah but I think Luke is more polarizing in that people the the criticisms of SGA's game are purely like an aesthetic

criticism not a he has a hole in his game on this side of the ball however if Lucas scores 34 a game wins the scoring title, and then for the third time in his career, carries his team in the playoffs well beyond their seating, where they are going on the road and upsetting people.

The way he did against the number one seed Phoenix Suns, the way he did with Dallas against OKC and then against Minnesota, getting to the finals if he because they for them to win the title they will be underdogs if seeds hold in round two round three and round four and for them and the road team probably would have right right exactly right so i think luca while maybe it wouldn't be a majority opinion meaning more than 50% of the people feel it i think it would be a plurality opinion meaning he gets more votes than anybody else. And Wimby, if the Spurs win the title,

I think it will be a universally held opinion and probably correctly that Wimby is the best player in the world. And so, and then for Joker, it's, he kind of needs to hold serve and have the Celtics win. So I think Joker, By that I mean, I think Joker went around.

They get popped in round two by the Thunder, but he's excellent, similar to last year's series. And then the Celtics, Eastern Conference team wins. Celtics Pistons or Knicks. Then I think he would,

you know, have, and maintain an argument. But, but I will say, There's not a ton of precedent in NBA history for a guy to go three straight years of not making round three or deeper and still be considered the best player alive. This is not a lot of example of that. And so, and that's what it would be for Joker.

It would be what I'm describing as three straight round two exits. And so I do think right now it's a real argument. I think the best player alive is Joker. A lot of people think it's Shay. And we're talking about Wimby in a moment. Brew has been arguing Wimby. I think Luka is trying to build a case. And, you know, that's the entirety of the list, so to speak.

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and oppressor. And here's what he had to say. My first one would be that defense is 50% of the game and that it is undervalued so far in the MVP race. Second argument would be that we almost swept OKC in the season and we dominated him. My third argument would be that offense impact is not just points. Okay.

So before I even get to the actual merits of his point, what do you like, dislike, or you're ambivalent, Damanzi on him stumping for, I know he was asked the question. He was asked, what are your three points, but that he is stumping for himself to win MVP? I actually like it, because I feel like some guys probably go the opposite way

and they might feel in them in themselves that they should be. MVP and might not be saying it. And I think Wimby deserves it. I like it. Oh, so you think he is the MVP? Yeah, I'd say that's pretty fair to say. And I also just like Wendy. Yeah, and you don't like

you don't like the thunder. Okay. So let me go through his points. Because Brew and I got into a more heated than is typical for our show argument

discussion, whatever, yesterday about kind of Luca versus Wimby. And the first point people make is the one he made, which is defense is half the game. And that sounds smart and that sounds correct, except for the fact that when it comes to winning MVP of the league, defense is not and has never been half the game. and when it comes to individual impact a player can have, it has never been and should not be 50% defense, 50% offense. This is evidenced by the entire history of awards voting, up to and including Demonsé, the awards we have to give out. we have the all-MBA team, the 15 best players in the league, and then a supplemental

all-defense team. You know what we don't have? The all-offense team. You know why? Because they're like, yeah, that'd pretty much just be the all-MBA team. We have the most valuable player award and then a supplemental award called defensive player of the year. You know what we don't have? Offensive player of the year because that would be redundant to MVP almost every season. Furthermore, just this century, we have had damn near 10 MVP

seasons by objectively bad defensive players. Yeah. Both Steve Nash years, Dirk's year, some would argue Russell Westbrook's year, certainly James Hardin's year, Steph's years, at least one or two of Joker's years, certainly the first one. So now, those are all, again, varying levels of bad defenders. but they are at best Joker's gotten way better defensively, I should say, by the way. Somewhere from mediocre to a Nash's case, downright damaging. Steph's first year,

he was, they were a great defense despite him, his first year winning MVP. Now, let me go ahead and ask folks this question. This century or any century, how many league MVP's have we had were their downright bad offensive players? The answer is none. It is not how we, now Wemby's saying he thinks that's a flaw in the system. And Wimby's defense is so sensational that maybe it bends the rules a bit on impact an individual defensive player can have on the game.

Offense, he also affects the offensive side pretty well, too, though, right? Does he not? So that's what I want to discuss here, because this is where Brew and I got into it a bit. Okay. But let me stay on the defense just for a second, then I'll get there, okay? So I do agree when it comes to a team winning the championship. Defense is as important as offense, and history backs that up. And in fact, a truly elite, elite defense has been as big, if not slightly bigger, historical signifier of championship chances than an elite offense.

And so team wise, I agree with that take. The distinction is one singular talent can impact a team's offense. more than one singular talent can impact a team's defense. And again, Wimby might actually be changing those rules in real time. Like his ability, he might be an unprecedented defensive performer with defensive impact. And then we get to Wimby's offense, which is where I am not comfortable for, someone we have never seen do it assign them the ability or the credit for doing things they don't do it's one thing when kevin durant goes to golden state if people are like well he could be

averaging 30 plus it's like well yeah we've seen him do it a bunch wimby averages 24 points and three assists a game. And folks seem to want to say, yeah, but he could average 30. It's just not how the spurs do things. Okay, I'm not, I am not going to say that you get to have everything when it comes to your MVP argument. And by that, I mean this. folks seem to believe that the Spurs, as Brew puts it,

egalitarian style of basketball is what's best for their ability to win games. Okay. So if Wimby took more shots, maybe they would have a slightly worse record. He shouldn't get the MVP boost from the better record that is caused by the style they play. and then also a boost of but hypothetically he could be averaging more points unless in that hypothetical we're also going to draw away a few of the wins that's first point second point is this i don't know if wimby would be quite as impactful defensively if they added to his offensive workload so what i'm not comfortable with is saying We know if he were taking way more shots and playing more minutes He would be play-to-play as dominant defensively because what we have seen from every player Across league history is as their offensive

Workload increases their defensive impact tends to decrease a bit. Kwai Leonard is a great example. Kauai Leonard's best defensive seats reasons were before he became the team's number one offensive option. And it is, now, Tim Duncan would be the argument as to a guy who won MVP's without gaudy offensive numbers. I would argue MVP Duncan was a better offensive player than Wimby is at the moment. but i don't think right now victor wimbunyama as great as he is and again i'm not trying to be the

anti wimby guy but it does seem like there's the the there is a bit of america's gone too far or is it just a touch just a touch it feels like it is an ongoing contest for wimby hyperbole yeah at the moment and so here is the question that i would have and this is where you know one of the arguments brew and i got in yesterday i don't think wimby if we are evaluating just offense just as offensive players i don't think he is one of the 10 best offensive players in the sport yet doesn't mean he won't be. But I think, and I'm going to do this off top my head, I think Shea is a better offensive player. I think Joker's a better offensive player. I think Luca's a better offensive player. I think Ant is a better offensive player. I think Steph Curry is a better

offensive player. I think Devin Booker is a better offensive player. I think Donovan Mitchell is a better offensive player. I think if we're going to give him, assume he gets back to himself, I think Jason Tatum is a better offensive player. I think Cade Cunningham is a better offensive player. The one I threw out yesterday that Brew lost his mind on, but I thought was like kind of, I was shocked. I was so much pushback. I think Tyrese Halliburton is a better offensive player. And I think we're seeing how much of that offense was relying on him. But even if you want to take Tyrese out, who am I? Oh, Jalen Brunson. I think is a better offensive player.

And I am not saying Wimby won't get there. I am not saying Wimby that maybe he is already there and we're just not seeing it. But what I'm not comfortable with is saying he gets credit for things he has not done. He is not doing and he has not yet done. and so I think that if if I were right now voting for league MVP my ballot would go number one she number two Luca number three wimby number four joker number five cade but cade's going to fall off for eligibility so jalen brown would take his spot that's that's what my and again if we want so I guess right now technically I've cade five jaylon brown

six, Jalen Brunson's seven is how I would stack it with assuming Cades going to lose out on the spot. But there are people are so fascinated by what Wimby is already doing that we're doing some weird psychological things on. So go ahead. It is most valuable player. Like you say Wimby's averaging 24 and 3, 23 and 3 right now. SGA is averaging 31 and 6.

I think it is most valuable player. I think that with what Wimby does on offense and the amount of shots that he affects on defense, I think together it makes him the most valuable player. Like in my opinion. I think that's how I think of it. So I get that. Like I know it's all defense, but. No, no, no.

And I don't. No, I totally understand that. What I'm saying is I think we have, Wimby is, but statistically, the exact same guy he was last year. Last year is 24, 11 and 3. This year is 2411 and 3. Efficiency is the same. I guess you can argue he got better defensively, but it feels like he has been basically the best defender in the league since the moment he walked into the league.

And to me, the big difference is the Spurs team around him has gotten so much better. Now, we can, now, the Spurs defense, he is the sun, the moon, and the stars for that. I don't feel that way about their offense. I don't think like Wimby's presence dramatically makes Deeran Fox a better offensive player. Or Harper and Castle are blue chip guys. And I think it is noteworthy that they're 10 and 5 in the 15 games he hasn't played. It's not, again, I'm not negging his case, but it's not as if they fall apart entirely without him.

And so if we are, I, the guy who, by eye test, the team is, team is absolutely most reliant on to be anything is Joker. Now, they actually went on,

I think they did decent the time he missed. But it's just watching him, it feels like everything revolves around him entirely. and I'm not it just feels like people are pressing fast forward and have been throughout Wimby's career I in the you know my pal Bill Simmons

yesterday on his pod for a reason I still don't totally understand did a Wimby's in year three but I want to compare him to all of the best year two's ever and part of it now I understand I understood why he wanted to do that when it came to Duncan and Kareem, guys who played four years in college. But, like, LeBron was younger than Wimby when he came out of school.

And LeBron in year three was second in the MVP race and averaged 31 points a game. And LeBron, when he was younger than Wimby is right now, took a team to the NBA finals. And so the Jordan in his rookie year, rookie year Michael Jordan was 28 a game. Jordan's year two, he got hurt. Jordan's year three, average 37. So like I... So you feel similarly about like Josh Allen?

You think a similar thing is being done? Just like kind of pushing some... No, this is actually very different than Alan because Alan was not this feat at fiend. like this this starts for Wimby before he was drafted um this was you know woe saying people think by his third year he can be the best offensive and defensive player in the league and again offensively i think he's a real i don't think he's a great offensive player yet i don't i think he's a really good offensive player far and away the best defensive player

the league and if that is enough to make him league MVP on a two seed so be it like i don't think it's outrageous to say he's league MVP what i am saying is this and because a lot of this has come up in the luka MVP discussion well defense is half the game and for the MVP award no it is not and it never has been and the last five guys to win defense defensive player of the year, did not, you know, got a combined, the five, five guys who won defensive player of the year, got a combined one fifth place MVP vote between the five guys, the five seasons. If defense were half the game, when it comes to voting for MVP, then they'd be, so I just, I don't think that is how it's been done. Um, and so there's my,

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In the first half. In the first half, apologies. You went as far to elevate the Lakers into the Celtics and Spurs tier. Are you walking that back a little bit? They didn't be Detroit one time this year either. I think that's the type of team you need to beat the Lakers. Oh, that's interesting. I mean, that means so they're 0-2 against Detroit.

Yeah, and the Spurs or maybe the Spurs obviously can bring similar defense. The Celtics, different style, but can bring great defense. The Thunder, more than any team in the league. league can bring a great physical defense. Here's why I'm the yes, I do think it was just one game. And you've won nine in a row. You're on this road trip. And I what I thought was most noteworthy about that game is the,

and the Lakers are a combined, I think, one and seven against Celtic Spurs Thunder. So that is certainly noteworthy. And they play the Thunder a couple more times here in the final two weeks of the year. The Lakers were down 18 and didn't pack it in. And they, you know, despite the fact that they're on this winning streak, despite the fact that they have some games to play with, and they know their next three, by the way, DeMonze,

are Pacers, Wizards, Nets. Yeah. They fought all the way back and had a lead with 30 seconds left. The end of game was clumsy. Jake LaRavia committed a terrible foul, and then Luca took a really tough shot down one. then a little bit more time there I'm talking about the buzzer

you're talking about the down three yeah or to force overtime and then their final possession what happened I think in the final possession de Monzae when they were down three was Luca got the ball and was concerned that the pistons were going to

intentionally foul to stop him from getting up a three and because of that he tried to be a little more herky jerky rather than just go into a shooting motion. And then all of a sudden he was, you know, he was screwed. But I do think, I think Lakers Spurs in a series is a 60-40 series. And I think Spurs, Edge, but I think a 60-40 series. And I think that if the Lakers were to get to the finals,

which is the only place they could play the Celtics, it would have meant that they streamed together basically three months of elite basketball. Like the last month, you know, the end of the regular season and the month and a half of the playoffs leading into the finals. I think the thunder are the best team in the league. And I put the fact that they had that little mid-season swoon a lot to kind of boredom. However, we are on.

on seven consecutive defending champions, not only not defending their title, not only not making it back to the finals, but seven straight have not made it or six straight, this seventh year would be the thunder, made it to the conference finals. And so the, there is a path that exists that we're going to get into,

later where the Lakers don't have to play the Thunder to make the finals. And do I think they can beat the Spurs? Do I think a Lakers team that has, in its major, in its rotation, Austin Reeves of a starting lineup, Austin Reeves with the least playoff experience is played in the conference finals. DeAndre Aiton, third least, or second, how am I saying this? second least playoff experience has been to the NBA finals.

Luca, who's been to a finals, Marcus Smart, who's been to a finals, and Bron, who's played like 300 playoff games, compared to the Spurs, who's starting lineup is, or five most important guys, Wimby was zero playoff games, Castle was zero playoff games,

Dylan Harper was zero playoff games. De Aaron Fox with seven playoffs games. And then Harrison Barnes with 71. You know, Harrison Barnes is the experience on the team. It's Barnes 71, Fox 7, and everyone else, if you go down the rotation, until you get to Luke Cornett, everyone else has zero. I do think that that matters. So I think that I'm fine with having thunder here and then Spurs, Celtics, Lakers, there, and then all, everyone else, Knicks, Pistons, Nuggets, Timberwolves, on that row beneath them. All right, what else you got here?

Yeah, so this is now back-to-back 12-point games from LeBron. is this the norm moving forward? 12 point games, I don't think so. But this was his first scoreless first half, De Manzay, in 16 years. And he said it after the game. What's best for the team is for me to take the third most shot. And it's correct. Like him being able to be Swiss Army knife LeBron,

deploy more of his energy as a defender and a cutter, is what's best for him. and LeBron is the greatest leader in the history of the NBA, the most versatile player in the history of the NBA, and the smartest player in the history of the NBA. He is going to play the... Now, here's the thing. If this Lakers team, Demase was mediocre,

and if he was... hadn't missed the beginning of the year and was all NBA eligible, if they were an average team and he could make the all NBA team, I think he would have a harder time taking on this role. Like, I'm not going to score a 17 a game for, you know, for a 42 and 40 team. 100%. And break my all NBA streak. But the all NBA streak got broken before Halloween because of the missed games.

And this team, while not a huge championship shot, has a championship shot. And so I think he's fine with the role. All right, you got a Luca question here. Luca got a technical over the weekend rescinded. Without upcoming games against the Pacers, Nets, and Wizards. Do you think he should intentionally get teed up? So I've been saying this and nobody seems to like this take. But I think that Luca absolutely in one of the next two games,

if the Lakers have a big lead late, should intentionally get a technical, serve his suspension, and reset the suspension clock. So here's the way it works. You get suspended on your 16th technical, and then it's every other one. Then it's 18, 20, 22. So right now, he has a zero technical margin of error.

Yep. If he were to get one in the Pacers game, he then misses the Nets game, and then he has a one technical. Exactly. That's not enough for Luca, though, man. Well, he's been really, he's been really good the last, ever since he got 15, he's been good. Yeah. And so, I just don't, what I don't want is, if he goes through these next. three games with no technicals.

They then have here, they have this stretch after these three, home for Cleveland. So honestly, because they play Washington and then Cleveland on a back-to-back, Lucas should get the technical against Brooklyn. Sit the Washington game, be rested for the Cleveland game

because it's on a back-to-back. Because then after that, you have this stretch, DeMonte. At OKC, at Dallas, home for OKC. At Dallas, Luke is going to be fired up. Do I see a scenario where he gets a technical in Dallas and then has to miss the home OKC game? I do.

So just burn one soon and get your rest. All right, let's talk to Thunder Celtics. So the reigning champs are getting J-Dub back. Finally, they are facing off of my Celtics tomorrow, and that is the finals' favorite matchup. Who do you think this will be telling for? Well, I think that neither of these teams are going to look at all like they'll look come the finals. Because Tatum is just still, like, listen, we knew these growing pains were going to be coming for Tatum. His shots been off.

that's why getting him back in early March instead of early April was so important. So hopefully he's got the Russ knocked off by the playoffs. The Thunder with J-Dub coming back is so odd because he's their second best player. And over the last few years, he's had no impact whatsoever on whether they've won or lost. Like they have been record-wise over a huge sample just as good with him, or without him is with him. Now, I do think that him coming back is important, if for no other reason, then now someone,

if someone else gets hurt, you're not all of a sudden thin on guys. But aside from Shea, no one on the Thunder is irreplaceable. And so the Thunder are going to, you know, they'll work him back, in. They're going to continue to be excellent. And we're going to talk about their potential playoff matchups here in a minute. The interesting part of

the Tatum of this is Tatum slowly but surely trying to get back to being Jason Tatum and it is going to be slow. So he has not DeMonsey shot

50% from the field in a single game yet. and I'm fine with him. He's rebounding like crazy. He is like way above. He's at nine rebounds a game. He has four of his six, four of his eight games.

He's been back. He's been in double-digit rebounds. Getting where you fit in. He is getting to the line. He's just not making jump shots. That's fine. Oh, I'm sorry. And he's not getting to the line, is what I meant to say.

and he's not getting, he's not making his jump shots. He's got to get his legs underneath him. Are you still where you're at? Okay, you are clearly a couple weeks ago with what he means for the Celtics. So here's the thing. I want to kind of like make this clear on my Celtics pick to win the title. If there were not conferences, and you just had all 16 teams jumbled together in the playoffs,

by record. I don't think I would pick the Celtics to win that tournament. I know. That's fair. Just because like how soon they would have to see the West, like Tatum gets more time to ramp

up in the East and by the time you see the West. That's fair. Right. And so by the time the Celtics get to the finals, Tatum will have played nearly three months post Achilles. Right. I always, also think the Celtics are less likely to get beat the hell up en route to the finals as whomever comes out of the West. And so I, it's picking the Celtics to win the title

is part that I think they match up well with anybody. But also, I think that they are such a huge favorite to me to come out of the East, while the, the West to me has three very viable contenders that I I'm just very confident the Celtics are going to be there and I don't know in the West who's going to be there. There's an argument for obviously for the thunder, but I just talked about the issues with defending champs this decade and how hard it's been and the fact that the Spurs have owned them. There's an argument for the spurs. They're 21 and 2 and their last 23. Wimby is only getting better, but they have no playoff experience whatsoever. There's an argument for the Lakers, which is we have

seen Luca do this before, but they're clearly the worst defense of the three. Like there's, and and so I just don't know who's coming out of the West, and I feel like I know who's coming out of the East. Speaking of how these things, can go let's talk playoff matchups. A play in tournament begins in three weeks and the playoff picture is becoming more clear. Which matchups are you hoping to see? Okay, so let's start in the East, all right? In the East, I am not as fascinated by the Charlotte Hornets as others.

and I am not you know I don't think they would provide any resistance whatsoever for any team so I'm fine with Charlotte missing it and with respect to Bam I don't need to see the heat in the playoffs

just for pure cinema de Monzae I think a round one Pistons Magic series with Cade fresh off the collapsed lung or maybe missing time, we might get an old school early 2000s or 90s series where the games are like 83 to 78.

If we have the Pistons without Cade and that magic team, I want the Sixers to make it because I do think the Sixers whole are interesting. And I think if Embed's healthy, Embed and Maxie coming back, a Sixers Knicks round one would be delightful. I would just really like to see that. So listen,

I don't really, the East though, round one is not as interesting. We are going to get Boston and the Knicks in round two. And I think we're going to get Detroit and Cleveland in round two. and I think that's going to end up with us getting a Boston Detroit round through well Detroit I with the question on K but I don't trust Cleveland at all that's why I feel I feel like Boston Knicks round two is the most we're definitely getting that series the Knicks aren't going to fall to four and Boston's not climb into one the question about that series is

who's the two and who's the three that two that two me will be the defining series in the east. Now in the West, it gets fascinating, okay? The Warriors are cooked. They're going to make the play in, and they're going to lose in the play. So the Warriors are, listen, it's a bummer for Steph. Color Me shot, and they obviously just lost Moses Moody to a horrifying injury. The Warriors are cooked.

I don't believe the Blazers are going to get to the finish. line. So we are going to get in the first play-in game for the seven-seed DeMonsie, Suns Clippers. Okay? I, who would I want Oklahoma City to play? Who would I want San Antonio to play? I would like to see Suns Spurs and Thunder Clippers.

You know, I guess either one of those would be okay. I don't think either one of those teams can throw a scare in the Thunder or the Spurs. We win a game maybe two. Kauai obviously was just playing. Yeah, but the Clippers. I don't know. I spook okay, see a little bit. I mean, it'd be fun.

I'd love to see it. Definitely wear them down a little, potentially. Well, that's the real question. Could the Clippers throw some body blows at OKC just enough? Like what the Clippers did. Was it the Clippers last year against the Nuggets, right? Yeah, the Clippers in round one against the Nuggets last year, took them seven. And then the Nuggets last year after going seven, they then took OKC seven and were

just out of gas at the end. Poor Aaron Gordon's hobbling around. And so, like, there is a tax on that. The thing I'm more interested in is the way it falls the rest of the bracket.

And I guess what I'm saying is I think the most likely bracket is the one we have right now if you froze it. OKC is obviously going to be the one, the spurs are the two. Lakers three, Nuggets, four, Timberwolves 5, rocket 6.

That is the best for the Lakers, get the rockets in round one, and the rockets seem very amenable to that. But also a Denver, Minnesota round one, when we, that was the insane down 3-2, Minnesota annihilates Denver in game 6 and then as a 20-point comeback in game 7 to end Denver's title defense, that would be a great round 1.

And if that were to happen, I'm telling you right now, Oklahoma City is rooting for Denver. I'm sorry, I said that wrong. Oklahoma City is rooting for Minnesota. Okay, C, for as great as they are, they just don't deal well with Joker.

It's not that anybody deals well with Joker, but Joker gives them more trouble than anybody. And that for the Lakers, this is the hope, okay? That the sons or the clippers can take the Spurs six games, wear them down just a bit, that you get the Rockets who hate each other in round one.

You just won back-to-back games in Houston. You deal with the Rockets. In round two, Luca is unguardable, and the Spurs aren't quite ready, and Denver clips the thunder. And all of a sudden, you have home court advantage,

and it's the team, that before you got Luca owned you, but since you've gotten Luca, you have had great success against, and it's Lakers Nuggets in the conference finals. That's the Lakers' ideal way for the playoffs to fall. All right, before we get to March Madness, Boost Mobile is proving you don't have to overpay for great wireless.

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It's not that I'm going to be like the old man yelling at a cloud here. And I wouldn't have said terrible tourney. That's too harsh. And I bet the next two weekends are great. But I miss what NIL in the transfer portal of D. and stripping mid-majors of continuity and the ability to build towards something is a bummer for the turning. It just is.

It may be it will create even better elite eights and final fours, but for the first few rounds of the tourney, what you used to have was these mid-major teams who guys have been there for three or four years together, grown together, played together. know each other and they can beat a team with a bunch of McDonald's all Americans and now that those mid-major teams just get stripped for parts and that is to me a bummer it's not a it it is your way to fix it I mean maybe there are some ideas but it's that would be a whole I don't want to flippantly throw those out, one, because I haven't spent a ton of time really deep thinking on it.

And the other is because I do think, in theory, it's good these kids are getting paid. Right. And I advocated for that for years. But I also do wonder, like, man, for some of these kids, you know, them getting paid should happen. But would they ultimately not only have a better college experience, but also maybe ultimately have higher earning lifetime potential by creating real roots in a community if they made 600 grand over four years playing for one school versus making 900 grand over four years playing versus making 900 grand over four years playing for three schools

and kind of just hopping from place to place. Like, I think that is complicated, so to speak. And so maybe in the summer we could do an episode on ideas. I don't want to flippantly throw stuff out because I don't like when I throw out an idea and then an hour later, I'm like, oh, obviously, that's why that wouldn't work. but it does, it has taken some of the character away from the tournament. All right, next. The Seahawks, they finally locked up JSN nearly $170 million.

What was your reaction to this? So just quick hitter, a bunch of them. One is Pooka's about to get paid probably a little bit more than this and deserves it. Another one. I think the price to trade for A.J. Brown just went up a bit. because his contract now is even more of a bargain. Another one. I think that this could,

this makes drafting a wide receiver in round one all the more attractive because it's now having that cost control of a wide receiver that you think can be a star. It's now a $40 plus million a year position. And it also made me wonder, are they going to have to give Darnold a new deal? Because now Darnold's receiver makes more money on an average annual basis than he does. All right, next. Got him paid.

Yeah, so the NFL stars got embarrassed in the flag football game by Team USA. How does it feel to see? How shocking was it to see NFL players get embarrassed like that? Well, listen, I was shocked. If I hadn't seen the games or highlights from it, I would have not believed it at the scores. But then once I saw what evidently flagged football is at this level. It's different. It's tag with a ball.

And I think it is. it that's just that is akin to what frisbee golf is to golf like it's pickleball is closer to tennis than that was to football it's not knocking those athletes at all and good for them that they i think state put their you know no pun intended planted their flag that they should be the ones at the olympics not the NFL players that's fine, but that ain't football. There's a hundred laterals. It's tag. They're playing tag, which is cool.

I'm not against it, but it's not football, which is totally fine. All right. Last couple things. So a few weeks ago, we were talking about Travis Kelsey potentially retiring, maybe next year. This is last year. I just signed a three-year deal. How surprising was this for you? Are you not surprised at all?

So I can no longer, you know, pussyfoot around this. And this, I've had dinner with this guy. I share an agent with this guy. I have nothing against him personally, much to the opposite. But Ian Rappaport's tweet about Travis Kelsey's contract. For me, when it comes to credible, I don't want to say credible reporting, that seems too harsh. But this is now the second time in a couple weeks that Rappaport has, via his very popular and followed Twitter account, blatantly

misinformed the public. So the first one was the trade. Remember who was it? Where they were like, well, essentially fifth round value. And it was... Offensive linemen for the Texans, I think.

Yeah. What it was? Juke rugs. Was it juice scrugs? But no, but it was, no, it was... No, no, that's right. it was jew scrugs was like the throw-in that we were saying made it it was a fourth and a seventh

plus jew scrugs that they were like so essentially fifth round value it was it was it was the david david montgomery trade whatever it was it was back and instead of just saying oh the deal terms changed you called a fourth a seventh and a player fifth round value this Kelsey thing is worse okay here is the contract Travis Kelsey signed America and I know this because it was fully reported while I was in Japan I'm not breaking this news he signed a deal that is a one year 12 million dollar deal that has three million dollars in earnable incentives That is the effective deal he signed, okay?

The actual pin to paper details on it are as follows. In year one, Travis Kelsey makes $12 million with $3 million possible and incentives. In year two, he makes the league minimum. And on the fifth day of the league year in year two, so early March of 2027, if he's on the roster, The chiefs pay him $40 million. And then in year three, he makes the league minimum again. You might say, well, that doesn't make any sense.

That is purely an accounting mechanism akin to teams using void years so they can spread this $12 million contract over the next three years. There is absolutely no shot, even if you're, Travis decides I want to keep playing that he is going to get a 40 million dollar balloon payment in early March. Everyone knows that, which is why if your goal is to inform the public, report the actual information, the real actionable intel is, Travis Kelsey is on. a de facto one year $12 million deal where he can make $3 million in incentives. To tweet the following out is disinformation.

Chiefs Pro Bowl tied in, Travis Kelsey, has signed his contract, officially locking him in for 2026. It's a three-year, $54.75 million deal that can be worth up to 57.735, 18.245 million average done by agent Mike Simon of milk honey sport. Year one is 12 million plus three million incentives. No, it can't. It cannot be worth up to 57 million. It can't be.

And it's, it is, again, I'm not Edward R. Murrow. And I'm not even a journalist. But if you are going to consider yourself, a reporter and your job is to inform the public about news, then you cannot willingly put out intentionally wildly misleading

information because you want the guy who runs Milk Honey Sport to owe you a favor. It cannot be worth up to 57.7.7.3. $3.5 million. It is not an $18.245 million average. It is a one-year $12 million deal that can be worth up to $15. And then in a fake year two, he makes the league minimum, and in a fake year three, he makes the league minimum,

and in between those years, they would owe him a $40 million check. Like, come on. So, whatever. He's not the only guy that does this, But this is this along with a fourth, a seventh, and a player being fifth round value is as egregious as it gets. That's twice just this offseason. So I'll deal like, if this gets written about or clipped or whatever, include this piece of it. Nothing personal.

And I've enjoyed our interactions. and if you're mad at me, you're mad at me. But come on, man. You know better. And it's not NFL. This is the last thing. The reason I care about this. It's not football fan's job to really like scour over the cap.com and then be like, oh, wait,

he's due $40 million early in the league year of 2027. There is not paying that. So this is just a cap mechanism. They're doing, they're busy, they're doing stuff. They see your trip. They're like, oh shit, Travis Kelsey. Thought he might retire. Three year deal.

18 million a year. Good for him. Let's move on. Also, you're setting up the poor chiefs in 11 and a half months when, you know, Travis retires, but they have to officially cut him for the swifties to be furious with us. took 40 million out of Travis and Taylor's pocket. It's not what happened. All right.

The producers really want me to do this. I'm doing it Thursday. I'm doing it Thursday. Public defender on Alligator's Thursday. We'll save it for then. Real quick, ask Brandon's one question before we go. Brandon says, you think there are four teams that can realistically win the title, OKC, San Antonio, Lakers, Boston.

If you were forced to pick a fifth, who would it be? No question, the fifth would be Denver, just on the power of Joker, and the sixth would be the Knicks. But I think both those teams are drawing very, very slim. All right, great job, everybody. Please like, rate, subscribe, review. Send my apologies to Interapaport. Thank you to Hard Rock and Boost.

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