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Episode Date: August 8, 2025Nick Wright discusses Micah Parsons' ongoing contract dispute with Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. Matthew Stafford’s back injuries and what it means for the Los Angeles Rams, as well as Nic...k’s NFL futures bets. Then, Nick predicts what the 2025 Kansas City Chiefs will look like stylistically and how much they will rely on a slimmed-down Travis Kelce. Later, Nick previews the first week of the preseason, including expectations for Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Finally, as always, Nick and Damonza answer your questions including which NFL head coach would win in a battle royale. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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A ton to do today.
It is officially, as we have said a few times, football season,
and the Cowboys once again in August have kind of hijacked the news cycle.
But this one, I think, now I think I know that I feel at least, pardon me,
is a little different than the last couple years.
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The Bills make their Hard Knocks debut.
You know, DeManzi, it's kind of a sad thing that's happened.
I don't even.
Hard knocks is gone.
I'm not trying.
I'm not taking shots.
Hard knocks is gone from like, oh my God, appointment television to I don't even, like, the bills are one of the teams I'm most interested in.
And now it's just kind of like back burner.
And maybe that's also a part of that is, uh, the way people.
consume media these days. I figure if there's anything really awesome, I'll find out about it the
next day anyway and be able to go back and watch. But I, Hard Knocks once in a time was one of my
favorite shows ever. And now there's a super interesting team that is the only real alleged
rival of my team. And I know nothing about episode one. And so I think they just chose the wrong
team or something? No, that's my point. I don't think they could have picked a team other than
Kansas City that I would be more interested in and I'm still not watching it. I just think
that there is now so much access and there's in season Ardenox, off season Ardenox that it may be
lost a little bit of its, at least for me. They needed the bounds this year. Flares maybe the wrong
word, but exclusivity. Also, Antonio Pierce, life comes at your fast in the NFL. One week, you've
got the blueprint for stopping my homes the next week you're wearing old chiefs gear walking down
in uh st jose missouri hoping to get a job like such as life for a lot of former raider coaches
uh you talk a lot of big game about beating the chiefs you're not able to beat the chiefs and then you
say hey maybe you need a linebacker's coach and the NFL does not ban smelling salts they banned
the team providing smelling salts which is odd but it really seems like players
were not going to have it.
Like, that, have you,
Domante, have you ever tried smelling salts?
Yeah, I've done.
I've smelled them one time.
I'm pretty sure.
Like, one time.
So I, like, it was just like they were around.
Really?
So, yeah, I don't, I've never.
I don't think it was for an event.
Like, it wasn't like at a game or anything.
It was just like, try it.
You were like at a, like, a music festival or something and you, like,
you huff the smelling salt to get going.
I mean, not to get going.
Honestly, just took it just to see what,
like I've always seen people's reactions after they take that.
I needed to see.
When I was like 10 or 11,
I was having friends sleep over.
And one of my friends tried to like jump down the final few steps going into our basement.
We kind of had a low overhang from the ceiling and he whacked his head on it.
Bad,
bad enough that it like cracked the plaster or whatever.
And I, he,
I think was pretending now that I look back on it 30 years later to be unconscious.
But we were all freaked out.
And I remember vividly going upstairs and getting just table salt and putting a handful of it and like holding it up to his nose.
I was 10 years old, man.
I don't know what I was doing.
I thought you were going to say you actually found some smelling salts and you put it in.
No, no, no, no.
I just thought smelling salt was smelling salt was.
I was killed him.
I was like, let me, yeah, let me try to wake this kid up.
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I would not be having us lead with the Cowboys, DeMonse, if I thought what was going.
on was a bunch of nothing. But I don't think it's a bunch of nothing. So let's start there.
So the Micah Parsons trade request drama continues. Jerry Jones saying that Micah might not play
week one or he doesn't even know if that's going to be happening. But the weird thing is,
Mike has already reported camp. So he has to be playing. Is this just another maneuver by Jerry to make
headlines? No, I don't think it is. Now, Willie or Won't he play week one is interesting. And that is an
important clarification. Micah gave up. People famously remember a couple years ago,
Chris Jones sitting out week one, sitting in the luxury box with his agents watching the chiefs
lose to the Lions. The NFL rules on this are very, they're very straightforward.
If you never report to training camp, that is your right. And the only punitive
measure the team can take against you is financial 50,000 a day fines and then game checks
if you miss games. But other than that, they can't suspend you because of it.
Your contract doesn't toll because of it. And you in theory could hold out all the way until
the night before I think it's week 10, then show up, play the rest of the year and get credit
for a full season if you're willing to take the financial hit that's if you never show up if you do show
up you cannot leave it's a weird thing when if you show up and then leave it's like the NFL version
of going AWOL in the military they they give you a five-day letter that says you got to show back up
within five days and if you don't then you are on ice for the year
they can't even if they say all right never mind we're cool with it two weeks later doesn't matter
you are you're essentially a retired player for that season and your contract does not
advance a year so that's why nobody ever shows up and then leaves you can't do it that is so
micah by showing up and then when jerry says he might not play week one all that means is that
might he thinks micah might be like am i back but he can't not be there he can just be like i'm
too injured to play and the reason so that i just kind of sets the template for where we are
i want to further flesh out how we got here because there is an element of this story
that i think it's obviously been reported
It's how I know it.
I'm not going to act like DeMonte.
It hasn't been reported.
But I think it has been under,
I don't think it's been focused on enough.
And that is this.
Jerry Jones has not had one single negotiation with Micah Parsons agent.
I will say that again.
Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys have not had a single negotiation with Micah Parsons agent.
there is absolutely no justification for that whatsoever.
Jerry has made it clear since Micah's trade demand,
he has not talked to Micah or his agent.
There is absolutely no justification for that whatsoever.
Jerry has made it clear he believes he and Micah came to terms on a deal.
You guys know how I feel about that, that I think that holding a non-negotiating party to a deal that was struck via handshake with a negotiating party is unethical.
But even if you think that should be the framework of the deal, Jerry needs to communicate that to Micah's agent.
and the fact that they will not negotiate,
even if we think it's a combination of,
well, Jerry's being stubborn and thinks he and Micah have a handshake deal,
and the fact that Jerry doesn't mind the Cowboys staying in the headlines,
so he'll just get this done in late August or early September like he did with Dak and C.D.
I think undersells the damage with Jerry's commentary the last week he has done to this relationship.
Now, is it salvageable? Sure.
But there's two prongs here that, in my opinion, are pretty clearly problematic.
Prong one is, even if it gets done on the timeline of DAC the night before the first game,
DAC was practicing.
Dak was in doing all of the stuff to get ready for the season.
Micah's out there just chilling.
And if the cowboys play the freaking Philadelphia Eagles week one,
if they have any hope of having a surprisingly great season,
that starts with a fast start with upsetting the east.
Eagles in week one and you're off to the races. You're now obviously behind the eight ball on
that. But the other, I think, longer lasting concern is this is real damage to the trust and
relationship you have between you and your best player. And no one
has properly explained any justification for how Jerry's handled this.
You say there is no, go ahead.
Jerry needs to be talking to his agent.
Is his agent reaching out to Jerry?
Like is Jerry?
Yes.
We won't talk.
No.
So the, the 1053, the fan in Dallas, uh, yesterday reported that the agent reached out
twice in the last 18 months and then the cowboys won't call him.
Jerry's just saying we are and won't engage.
Say it again.
Jerry's just saying we already have it in writing.
No, not in writing that we have a handshake deal.
Jerry's saying it's not in writing, but we have it agreed upon.
But here is the other problem with that.
And this is, you know, yesterday's price is not today's price.
If you agreed to it in March and you think that's the deal you should have,
that should have been done, you should have figured out a way.
to get it signed in March.
But you also, Jerry, no.
Here is the problem with Jerry's comment this week about, I bought the Cowboys on a handshake deal.
100% that happens.
Like big, high level business and real estate transactions and acquisitions and mergers, all this stuff.
That happens over a dinner or on the goal.
course general framework handshake all the time but that is when both parties
involved are there are their organizations lead negotiator and I the
comp I used on TV yesterday that I was hesitant to use but because it has bad
connotations but I don't think anyone will misinterpret it it's why if
you're questioned by the police you say I don't want to talk to you my lawyer's going
to you like I I pay this guy to do this for me now my lawyer cannot agree to a
plea bargain without me signing off on it I am the final yes or no but I am not
engaging with you professional
interrogators or negotiators you know depending on the analogy you want to use when I'm not that and so
I do think like there is a lot of business that is done where you verbally in a meeting agree to something
and then you paper it later but first of all that has to involve the people
who are supposed to be the ones negotiating and second of all that absolutely
runs the risk of facts on the ground changing and a deal not being signed
and so I I am listen I have I like Micah full disclosure I know Micah
a little bit.
But he hasn't been talking to me about his negotiation.
But I've never disliked Jerry Jones.
I have found him cartoonish at times, a bit of a carnival barker,
but I think he serves a purpose in the NFL.
But this is ridiculous.
And to just once again remind the audience of
before we move on, the thing we did on Tuesday about this,
Micah's draft class,
the first overall pick, Trevor Lawrence, got a contract extension, top of the market.
The fifth overall pick, Jamar Chase, got a contract extension, top of the market.
The sixth overall pick, Jaylon Wado, got a contract extension, top of the market at the time for wide receiver twos.
The seventh overall pick, Penae Soule, got a contract extension.
top of the market for offensive tackles.
The eighth overall pick, Jay C. Horn and the ninth overall pick Pat Sertan Jr.
Pat Sertan, the second, pardon me, got contract extensions, top of the market for corners.
The 10th overall pick, Devante Smith, got a contract extension at the top of the wide receiver 2 market,
and the 13th overall pick, Rishon Slater, got a contract extension at the top of the tackle market.
the top 13 picks from that draft four years ago have not gotten extensions are
Zach Wilson who's been on a bunch of teams,
Trey Lance who's been on a bunch of teams,
Kyle Pitts who has underwhelmed,
Justin Fields, who's been on a bunch of teams,
and Micah Freaking Parsons.
It's an outrage.
And it's an outrage to not directly negotiate with Micah.
Now,
I mean, with Micah's agent,
me now if after directly negotiating with david muligeta you then determine micah wants 50 million a year
with 200 million guaranteed then you can break off negotiations then you can say too rich for our blood
but to never negotiate with him and instead hide behind we came to a hand
handshake deal in March is absolute nonsense.
I know you're trying to finish up,
as you're likely maybe what if from Tuesday changed with,
is any?
I still think it's likely the Cowboys re-sign him.
But I now would say maybe, maybe that he just plays out this year.
And the what if is what if they trade him.
And yeah, and I saw the Aaron Donald,
if he got traded to the Rams,
you'd come out of retirement thing.
I don't think the Rams can make it work.
But Micah, Jared,
verse, and an out of retirement error in Donald be pretty sick.
Yeah.
Then all of a sudden, I wouldn't be so worried about Matt Stafford's back.
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Let's get to Shador.
All right.
One of the most highly anticipated preseason games
since I've jumped on the football scene.
So Picketing and Gabriel are out.
Black hole, obviously, isn't playing for the obvious.
So with Shador's time to shine.
He's going to play against Carolina tomorrow.
Do you think that he has more to gain here or more to lose?
Oh, I think he has more to gain,
but he has a lot to lose.
too. I think that
what
he has to gain is
if he
cooks
and looks
you know, by cooks,
it just handles the
offense well,
makes a couple nice throws, doesn't make
avoids any horrific
mistakes, you know,
running around back and forth, taking a bad
sack, fumbles those things.
And then,
after game two of the preseason
when Dylan Gabriel will get to play
if Gabriel struggles
to me
and I think Gabriel is likely to struggle
and again folks can say Nick
this is your bias against small quarterbacks
and I would say that is correct
one of two things
de Manzee is likely
to would I shouldn't say
likely would have to happen.
If Shador plays well in preseason game one and then Gabriel struggles in
preseason game two, I would think one of these two things would happen.
One, Shador would elevate past Gabriel on the depth chart, which is all he could hope
for.
His Shador's goal, realistic goal was never be the week one starting quarterback.
Maybe it was personally, but it was not, you know, that shouldn't have been.
I shouldn't see.
I don't care what his personal goal is.
That's not a realistic goal for him to do as a fifth round pick with all those quarterbacks on the roster.
A realistic goal, however, was when we break camp, when preseason is over, I want to be the highest ranked rookie on the quarterback death turn.
I think that's very important.
And because that means when the inevitable flacco benching happens, he can get in there.
So that should be his, that's what he can, that's one of the things he can gain.
The other opportunity thing, and this might be a better opportunity to be totally honest, is if he plays well and then Gabriel struggles in weekend.
too and he doesn't move up the depth chart i wonder if another team calls cleveland's like hey
you know we'd be interested you drafted him for a fifth we'll give you a fourth like it didn't
make sense for us a few months ago and the team that i keep going back to man is the rams because
if stafford's back really is a problem you can't in my
my opinion, go into a year with your only real backup quarterback being Garapola.
Because he is himself such an injury risk.
But the Rams wouldn't be the only team that I would think it would make sense.
Now, obviously, the Steelers didn't have interest in shooting.
The Dolphins?
The Dolphins, I feel like, I was thinking more a team that is not looking at him
for this year, but might look for him long term.
Dolphins, they brought in Zach Wilson.
So you know what I mean?
But that's not a bad one.
The reason I said the Rams is they might have a need for spot starter this year,
but also this could be Stafford's last year.
You know what I mean?
So like that to me is an interesting one.
And I don't know.
there aren't again
it's not a lot
of obvious places
but I feel like should be looking
for other options
oh that's interesting
I got to look at see who the Cardinals
backup quarterback is I don't remember
that oh it's Jacoby
so yeah I mean that's not a
terrible one either
if I were Shador however
I don't think not that he would
necessarily have to say I wouldn't love
if the Cardinals
for me because the Cardinals hope is that Kyler is their guy for the next five years.
Like, the Browns are not a terrible spot for him in as much as they have no future plan.
The Rams would not be a terrible spot because they have this great head coach, but an old banged-up quarterback.
It's the same reason a lot of people thought the Steelers, in theory, could sign Rogers and still drafts Chador.
Like, you know, more as a long-term piece.
And so that is what he has to gain.
Here's what he has to lose, though, pal.
If he plays poorly, he is fourth string.
And he's going to stay there for the time being.
And you don't rise up from fourth string your rookie year ever.
And so this is, listen, this is pro sports.
He, everything, and this is a point.
point Danny made yesterday on the TV show,
uh,
that came across as harsh,
but is correct.
Shador did not earn starting the first preseason game.
Now, he has handled himself really well.
He has, I think, practiced well, that that's at least according to the reports.
But the Browns still have him listed as their
fourth string quarterback. He is starting because their first string quarterback's 40,
their second string quarterback's injured, and their third string quarterback's injured. So this isn't
an instance of, you know, rapid assent. This is an instance of everything falling just right
to give you this opportunity. And that can be a blessing or a curse, man. That can be
damn straight.
This is how I get out there
and show them what I can do.
And it also can be a shit.
I needed another few weeks.
I needed more training camp practices.
And now the image everyone's going to have of me is me going.
But if Dylan Gabriel does bad as well,
like it's not like even if Shador does bad,
like it doesn't mean that Gabriel is going to do well.
No.
And I'm not saying the Dylan Gabriel is going to do poorly,
but it's like, I just,
No, that's fair.
But you've, you don't move.
If the third string and fourth string play poorly,
you don't move up the fourth string.
You know what I mean?
So like the.
But just as far as opportunity, like they wouldn't be looking to give them more shots.
I don't know.
I think it's.
So here's the thing.
Well, let me add one other thing that I'll answer that.
if the other thing that I think is likely to happen to Masei, if Gabriel and Shador both play poorly,
is they're just more likely to keep picket.
And then, you know what I mean?
And then there's more of a log jam.
Like, that's the other kind of hang up here.
And so, but then I am not, I don't believe, like, the Browns are setting up Shador to fail or some of these kind of Colorado-based.
conspiracies. I do think, however, there are some weird inter-office politics going on about
who wanted Gabriel, who wanted Chador, and who gets credit for who is good. And so if it's,
if a lot of the speculation is true, which is the front office and coaching staff,
staff wanted Gabriel and the owner wanted Shador.
Does it behoove the front office and coaching staff to be on like to be like,
well, the guy we wanted that we were the football people that we evaluated.
We were wrong.
He's no.
And so that part I think could potentially work against Shador a little bit.
But if he's good, he's good.
If he plays well, he plays well.
I think you should be conservative or like, you think he should.
Should you be flashy or do you pay more of a conservative role?
No, the goal should be Martin Cabrell, zero mistakes.
No messes.
It's got to just be zero mistakes.
No delay games.
No false starts.
180.
No 12 men in the huddle.
I thought, you know what I mean?
And honestly, in this, this setting,
interception and interception is pretty low on the list.
list of really problematic stuff.
I would say like most problematic, oddly, is like,
can't get the play in.
Can't get guys lined up in time.
You know, the pre-snap stuff is the stuff.
He's got it.
Second most problematic,
holding onto the ball way too long, taking bad sacks.
Third most problematic is trying to make a play with your legs and fumbling.
And then the next problematic is interception.
Because young quarterback, you know, not on the same page with receivers, whatever.
That's going to happen.
I mean, you obviously hope it doesn't, but that can happen.
It's the other stuff that they're going to want to be really tight on.
I also hope he gets three full quarters.
There's no reason he can't.
Uh, he can't play.
Say it again.
Flacco probably didn't even want to play.
No, it would be Snoop Huntley.
Oh, yes, Huntley.
Yeah.
The, but there's no reason he can't get the workload that Trey Lance got.
Right.
Where, you know what I mean?
Where he's playing the majority of the game.
Like, he can, he can get that workload.
All right, let's move on to, uh, the chiefs.
Uh, so Mahomes came out and said, I'm going to do whatever it's.
takes to win, whether that's passing for a lot of yards or not passing for a lot of yards.
So we've seen Kansas City win in a number of different ways.
How do you think that the offense or the chiefs need to look in order to succeed this year?
Listen, I do think there's an element of they need to get their swagger back and pump the ball
down the field.
Now, I think people need to remember how we got kind of to the point that we got to with this
offense being the way it is.
And I talked about this yesterday on TV, but I think it's worth revisiting.
Three years ago, they're playing the number one defense in the NFL in the Super Bowl.
They score 38 points without a single play longer than 25 yards.
And the longest play of the game is a Mahomes scramble.
The very next year, they come back.
They're in the Super Bowl.
The offense, having struggled all year long, receivers just openly revolting against Patrick.
In the Super Bowl, the biggest drive up to that point of Mahomes' life,
11 play, 64-yard, dink, dunk, dink, dunk field goal.
and then in overtime, one of the greatest drives in NFL history,
13 play, 75-yard drive where the longest play once again is a Mahomes scramble.
Dink, dunk, ding, dunk, no big explosives.
And then last year, offense just eking along and pulling games out of the fire.
So why am I saying when they've gone Super Bowl win, Super Bowl loss after being 17 and 1 going into the Super Bowl with Mahomes's starter?
Because I think one of the reasons Patrick started to press early in that Super Bowl de Monzae is because being down 14 for last year's chiefs felt so different than any of the previous year.
Chiefs. Down 14,
three years ago
was, okay, we can start
playing now. Down
10 in every Super Bowl
they've ever played in.
Take the lead back in a heartbeat.
And so
because it was so
deaf by a thousand cuts,
they felt they needed to
I think Patrick felt like,
man, we better score
right because we don't have this one
play of.
ability. So I think they need to get that back. And I think the better offensive line, hopefully
healthier receivers, even though Rishie's now dealing with a groin, Hollywood Brown's still out
with an ankle. That's not great. That should help that. I also saw there's an unbelievable stat
courtesy, an unbelievable stat courtesy of Warren Sharp that I would like to go over for a moment.
But so quarterback's record when trailing entering the fourth quarter over the last five years,
let me give you the top three from three to one, DeMonse.
In third place, best record when trailing, entering the fourth last five years, okay?
Jalen Hertz, eight and 14.
So that's pretty good.
I mean, it's third best.
It's that so 36% of the time the Eagles are trailing going into the fourth.
They win anyway when Jalen starts.
Second place, Lamar Jackson, 7 and 10.
41% of the time.
So that's almost half the time, bro, that the Ravens are trailing entering the fourth.
They win when Lamar's the quarterback.
So third place is 36% Jalen.
Second place is 41% Lamar.
This is again, courtesy Warren Sharp.
First place, record the last five years when trailing entering the fourth quarter.
Patrick Mahomes, 14 and 7, 67%.
That means the Chiefs would be an 11-12 win team if ever.
Every game they trailed going into the fourth quarter.
And the other, like, C.J. DeMonset is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
He's eighth on this list.
Two and ten, 20%.
Josh Allen is above average.
Three and 14, 18%.
Joe Burrow, four and 23, 15%.
Brock Purdy one in 10 9%.
Like, so I say that for this reason.
It's understandable that the chiefs kind of carry themselves like,
eh, we'll figure it out.
But it's harder to do that after you just got your teeth kicked in in the Super Bowl.
Yeah.
And that is, that is,
they need to
they need to
go ahead,
what you say?
Yeah,
and I think Josh Simmons,
the rookie left tackle
and Xavier Worthy's
Ascension is going to help that
quite a bit.
By the way,
late,
the Madden ratings for this year,
Xavier Worthy a higher rating
than Marvin Harrison,
Jr.
And Roma Dunesay.
Wow.
top 10 now just barely but still like that is the highest rated rookie receivers were
neighbors then brian thomas then Xavier worthy um so yeah I do think they need to bring back
as brew would call it the light show a bit and I'm optimistic that they can um all right let's
talk a little more chiefs where we get some other stuff Andy reads been hyping up your guy
Travis Kelsey.
He's saying that he's calling him,
he's calling him Sfelt,
saying he looks 20,
he's all slender.
A year ago,
you said Travis Kelsey's got about
eight more good games in him.
Great games.
Great games.
Not good.
Sorry.
Got eight great games left in him.
Has that number changed since,
like,
what would he have now at this time?
Well, so,
this year.
Yeah,
so I felt he,
I thought he,
I thought he used a couple last year.
Certainly, the playoff game against Houston.
Was peak, Travis.
And I also thought he left a lot out on the field,
the Christmas Day game against Pittsburgh,
that if they knew they won,
they were going to get the long rest that they all desperately needed.
Now, those aren't the only big games he had all year,
but some of the other big games he had, I just thought were, you know,
teams not being able to deal with him or, you know, how the game play in Philadelphia.
So, again, Swifties, please, because I got absolutely crushed for this take last year
because people misunderstood what I was saying.
I think when you are Travis's age at that position,
you have to be very diligent about when.
you go full throttle.
And I think he knows that he only has so many full throttle games left.
Now, do I think the added chip on his shoulder for the fact that he didn't play up to his standard he said last year and the way they got their ass kicked in the Super Bowl and the fact that he shed some weight had probably.
a better off season, maybe replenish some of those games.
That game count, yeah.
I've got to see him in week one to give this a real answer,
but I'm going to go out on a limb and say this.
I think Travis this year will once again be one of the three most impactful players
in his position.
I think Travis and Brock Bowers,
and then maybe Kittle, maybe Leporta,
maybe the kid in Arizona are the other candidates.
But I think Travis and Brock Bowers are going to be up there.
And I think Travis, especially because teams are going to have to respect the deep ball more this year,
he's going to have a lot more room to work with over that intermediate middle where he wants to.
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What's the news?
Huge news.
We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.
We invented a podcast?
Well, we didn't invent it.
We just contributed to it.
We're the first people to do podcasts.
Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.
We're starting a trend.
But this one's extra special.
So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?
I honestly don't remember.
I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names
of our band before Jonas Brothers
was...
This is how you guys remember it going down?
Yes.
I have a very different memory of this.
We were talking about a thing,
a bit for the podcast,
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Hey Jonas,
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All right, DeManzay, let's get to Travis Hunter.
So Travis Hunter is listed as the starting wire receiver and backup cornerback, playing both ways in practice.
And head coach Liam Cohen actually came out and told Rich Eisen, he thinks it's possible that Hunter wins the offensive.
and defensive rookie of the year.
So my question to you is, which bet do you like the most?
He's a defensive rookie of the year is at plus 800.
Offensive rookie of the year is at plus 1,000.
Either defensive rookie of the year or offensive rookie of the year plus 425,
and both is at plus 10,000.
Okay.
So here's what I would ask and see if we can find this,
our wonderful producers on draft kings.
What is his NFL MVP odds?
Because here's the only reason I ask that.
If he wins, I do not, let me put this on the front end.
I do not think he's going to be league MVP.
I do not think he's going to win offensive and defensive rookie of the year.
I want to make that clear.
But if he were to win offensive and defensive rookie of the year,
I think he's got to be in real consideration for league MVP.
So like if the bet is offensive, so plus 30,000.
So he's plus 10.
So you get three times better odds on him to be league MVP.
Then you do on him to win offensive and defensive rookie of the year simultaneously.
And I'm just telling you, man, if he were to have the type of season where he wins offensive and defensive rookie of the year, he's going to be a real MVP candidate.
Like the, so how many, what was Brian Thomas Jr's numbers last year?
And I don't even think he, who was the offensive?
Oh, Jaden, of course, was offensive rookie of the year.
but Brian Thomas Jr.
became closest of any of the receivers.
So he had 1,300 yards, basically in 10 touchdowns.
And then Jared Verse, I think, was defensive rookie of the year.
Not I think, I know, because that was one of our preseason bets.
And Jared Verse last year had four and a half sacks, two forced fumbles,
two fumble recoveries, 65 tackles.
I mean, if the guy threw, if you were to throw up a,
And I guess that's a bad comp because versus pass rushers.
So his stats are going to be different.
My answer to this question, by the way, is defensive rookie of the year?
Because Greg Jennings pointed this out.
He's not wrong.
It's very difficult for receiver to win offensive rookie of the year if you're not your team's number one option.
and Brian Thomas Jr. will be the number one option.
He'll be a strong too, but it's just, is he going to get the volume, you know, of numbers?
I mean, Randy did it with Chris Carter on the team, but that year, as great as Cici was, Randy was the number one option.
Randy was just, you know, it came in and totally changed the Vikings lives.
I here is to me though why I like this story
oh thank you
and sauce when he won defensive rookie
of the year had
uh wow only two picks that surprises me
um but obviously was awesome was all pro as a rookie um
I'm pretty sure he was all pro as a rookie regardless
75 tackles was this
the no I mean sauce is a great player um
75 tackles, 20 past breakups.
Yeah, I mean, that's that amazing season.
Here is to me, though, why I liked what Liam Cohen said.
It means de Monsei, they're going to give this kid a chance to go both ways for real.
And I just want to see it.
That's all.
I just don't want a false ceiling on what he can do.
Now, maybe it, the downside is you just have to pair it back a bit.
The upside is he changes the way your team can be run.
Like, that's the, to me,
prematurely going out and being like, listen,
he's only playing in spots on defense and or vice versa,
would just be silly.
I understand folks talking about he's got to tackle,
he's got a cover, you're going to run nine routes.
It's not the Big 12 anymore.
I get all of that.
But every coach that's ever been around this player has said he is literally built differently.
So give him a try.
Like, and I think the Jags are going to, and it's one of the reasons, you know what I'm starting to think to Maze?
Well, everybody is going to have a bunch of, you know,
AFC North.
You have the Ravens.
You have the Bengals.
You have the Steelers with Rogers.
AFC West.
You have the Chiefs and the Broncos and the Chargers.
Like, everybody is going to have one playoff team out of the east
and one playoff team out of the South.
I think we could have two playoff teams from the South.
I think the Texans.
and the Jags might end up being able to come out of the South.
The Jags with a nice little resurgent,
Trevor Lawrence year,
the Texans with maybe the best defense in football.
Like, I think, I just think there is, there's something there.
That's all.
Just something there.
We need.
You ain't lying, bro.
We need Trevor to come through.
You ain't lying.
It's a big year for my guy.
Yeah.
And de facto, a big year for me.
All right, let's talk Matt Stafford.
Stafford is dealing with an aggravated disc and has been taking epidurals.
You said the Rams don't work without Stafford.
With that said, is this team going to be a stay away for you as far as betting with this whole injury thing?
Well, right now I'm staying away.
I need to see, you know, talk to me in three weeks.
Here's the deal.
Here is my glass.
way too full oh texans and jaggs both make the playoffs plus 395
intriguing interesting very very interesting uh what are the jaggs to win the division
like 600 or something like that no no plus 300 it's like plus 300 or 350 okay it's
it's either plus 300 plus 350 all right believe it or not plus when i was that i was not
asking you like to just guess off the top of your head from memory plus 290 but you yeah plus
300 plus 290 maybe we moved it already just that quick um but uh okay all right these are things
to consider now when it comes to the rams yeah right now they're a stay away because the
stafford stuff here is the probably overly optimistic view the rams are actually
like most teams that undersell injuries,
the Rams are overselling this
because he's actually mostly fine,
but part of their negotiation,
remember,
he thought he might be traded.
And they will give you a little more money
and
you don't have to do a trade in September.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I said this,
I said this like two weeks ago and you were like,
oh, no,
I hope.
I hope that's the case. I think is what you said. But yeah. Yeah. So I think it's on the board.
And it's like, well, I'm the team leader. Like I, you know, I don't want to not be. It's like, all right, we'll make up a back injury.
Like, that's the hope. That's the hope. Um, it also doesn't help that I just can't take these NFL insiders. A lot of them.
I don't know what the real injury report is.
I'm going to be the only person that cares about this, but I care about this.
Fourth of July, Naji Harris, Chargers's Running Back, is in a fireworks incident.
Okay?
The local newspaper in Los Angeles or some local paper reports, A, this is bad.
man this guy like messed up his eyes badly the then all of a sudden the insiders parachute in and say oh no no no no don't you
worry talk to the agent minor no big deal escaped major injury well it's
August 7th and Harbaugh can give us no update on him whatsoever.
So like I don't, there is so much much manicuring of injury.
Every surgery went better than expected.
Every, every injury is reported as what a relief.
He's only going to be out four to six weeks.
Everything is just put in such rose-colored glasses because so much of this is just
relationship building with agents that I don't know what real injury news is.
So when I hear Stafford, they're like, oh, the team's not worried.
He'll be ready by week one.
I have no idea if that's true.
I just have none.
So it could be hugely concerning.
Also, maybe it's, he's just chilling.
Maybe he and his wife are developing next podcast project.
I don't know.
I hope he's just chilling because I like Stafford.
So with it, like he just got his, his big new contract with them, right?
It was like, yeah.
Was that over like last three or four?
So, yeah.
Well, no, he got, he got a contract.
This is like a month ago.
Like a month and a half ago or something.
Yeah, this summer.
Yeah.
Exactly.
He got an adjustment this summer.
Yeah.
And like the disc, like that thing had to have been lingering.
And I just don't think they would have.
Well, he's had a back stuff for a while.
Yeah.
So I don't know, man.
But the short, too long didn't read is, yes, I'm concerned.
but I'm hopeful.
You have a follow-up here?
Yeah, so you talked about them trading for Shadour.
Do you think that they're a candidate to go after someone like Kirk Cousins if this goes left?
No, because at this point, Jimmy Garplano, Kurt Cousins, tomato, you know what I mean?
Like, they already have Jimmy G there.
And I think Kirk is an injury concern in a different way.
So I don't, you know, I don't think that's the way they would go.
all right i want to power rank coaches and fights but before i do that i want to i'll take care of this
part de montzae i'm not going to ask you to read this um i just want to say something
to the dumbest people in the world stop throwing shit on the court at wmba games
and i'm not uh approved but this is objectively fucking hard
horrifying.
Like what, if we really, like, oh, Nick, it's fun, fun.
If you really just peel back a quarter of a layer,
why you're throwing that at those women in that league,
it's just, it's the type of shit that would get eyes rolled by high school juniors.
and now it's happened three times.
I am not going to overstate the danger of it.
I don't think you could do real injury,
but it would certainly hurt getting hit.
But more importantly,
DeMontze, as one of my favorite sayings goes,
we live in a society.
Like, can we all?
Just recognize a certain level of human adult decency.
Well, these...
And not do shit like this.
I think these are kids.
Is the...
I think that I got...
They showed me a picture of the last guy that did it.
Like, that guy's like 18, maybe.
Okay.
Maybe like 18, 19 years.
I'm here to tell you, buddy.
No, I'm not...
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm not excusing anything.
But it's like, you're like, grow up.
These aren't like 25.
30 year old people going in there.
These are the type of people
you would expect that for, I feel like.
I understand that.
I get that.
And I, here's the, I guess,
maybe the more refined take.
I'd feel
less strongly about this
if there were 18 year olds
doing this across sports.
Just watching Mets Phillies.
And you know what I mean?
down the third baseline.
This pops up.
You know what I mean?
We're watching
Pacers Knicks.
And it's like, stop the game.
I know that once upon a time,
I think it happened like in Buffalo,
like a snowstorm or something.
I feel like I vaguely remember it a few years ago.
But it just feels targeted.
And throwing sex toys
on the
court in that league with that gender and sexual orientation demographics of the league,
I just find to be extra objectionable.
And I will add, as far as the 18 year old piece of it, you did a lot of dumb shit as a
teenager.
There is nothing you did that would have made.
me as mad as this would have.
Think of your worst
five transgressions
and my reaction to it.
I promise you, if I
had gotten the phone call,
I got arrested
for what,
whatever they called it, disturbing the piece,
what'd you do?
Well, I was at the fever
game and dot, dot, dot.
I might have left you in there.
I might have been like, you know what?
Figure it out.
Like, that is just...
Yeah.
Okay, all right, real...
Now let's get to ask me the...
So Mike Vrable.
Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?
We have some big news.
What's the news, new?
Huge news.
We created our own podcast called...
Hey, Jonas.
We invented a podcast?
Well, we didn't invent it.
We just contributed to it.
We're the first people to do podcasts.
Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.
We're starting a trend.
But this one's extra special.
So how do we actually come up
the name Hey Jonas guys.
I honestly don't remember.
I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.
This is how you guys remember it going down?
Yes.
I have a very different memory of this.
We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas.
And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
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I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris.
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Brable got in a, like, tried to break up a training camp fight, got his feet.
face-blooded.
So,
top of the head.
That's another rule.
Like that,
you got to throw that.
You said there are like three rules.
I think the fourth rule is the coach cannot jump in and like try to stop the fight.
Well,
if you're a former player,
you can,
I think.
Okay.
If you're a former player in the shape that he's in,
I think it made good.
Um,
I mean.
All right.
I'm true.
I want to,
all right,
list of current NFL head coaches.
Um,
I wish I could sort by.
age.
But, so is the number one,
coach battle royale.
If they're all,
it's an NFL head coach fight to the death.
And I'm trying to figure out,
like,
I know who the last draft pick is.
I know that.
Who is it?
I don't want to pick on the guy.
But it's Mike McDaniel.
Oh, geez.
He's,
He's the last draft pick.
Mike McDaniel's our last pick of that draft.
Mike,
you mean,
he just,
and the,
I mean,
there's a few,
Dave,
Zach Taylor,
Ben Johnson,
those guys are not doing.
I feel like Ben Johnson can get in there.
He must,
he must be a little bit smaller guy.
Oh,
maybe.
I guess he's 6-1.
Maybe he's bigger than I thought.
Uh,
but I don't want to do the bottom of the draft.
Okay.
I want to do number one draft pick.
Dan Campbell.
Over Dravel?
Third.
I think this is,
I think we have a pretty strong top three.
I think we are going number one draft pick.
You know what?
It's between two guys.
Campbell to me is a clear third.
it's either Vrabel or D'Amico
as number one
I just feel like Vrable has fought more
in his life than D'Amico
so I'm going
he's got all those sons they're big
I like I
So I'm going number one Vrabel
Number two D'emico
Number three Dan Campbell
Dude
And
What? What are you laughing about?
What are you laughing about?
I don't even know what you're laughing
Dude, this guy says Daniel, I mean, not Daniel, but Andy Reed, I don't know if I was going to say this, but Andy Reed with a cheeseburger on the line.
Oh, that's pretty good.
Andy, listen, Andy's, even though he's old, Andy's a, like, he's not a top three or a top five pick.
But Andy, he was ready to fight Travis.
Like, Andy's not, Andy's not screwing around.
All right.
So there's my top three.
Three, we're going Brable, Damico, Dan Campbell.
Number four, I'm going Dan Quinn, head coach of the commanders, big dude.
Yeah.
Number five.
Where's Tom with that?
Is he like six?
Not as high as you'd think.
I mean, he's going to show up.
Oh, honestly.
Oh, yeah.
But Tomlin's like, McVeigh, though, is not that big.
he's jack but not that big i'm going so number five i had someone oh yeah i know who i'm going number
five because i think he'd fight dirty i think he's you think he's he's like dirty oh yeah can i take a guess
i think that like he could have you know suffer a traumatic injury and just keep going i'm going
Jim Harbaugh. God, I was not
to say one of the hardballs, yeah, 100%.
Yeah. No, I'm going Jim.
I'm going, I'm going, Jim. I'm going
Jim. Now it's six.
Now I'll start
to listen to Tomlin.
I
I am.
Too old? Oh, Todd Bowles.
Todd Bulls. Thank you. He'll beat somebody's ass.
Yeah. Todd Bowles has
whooped some ass in a fight. I don't care that he's
60.
Todd, yes.
Todd Bowles is six
Tomlin is seven
and now
once I get there
I'm taking a long
hard look at Andy
I'm taking a real
look at Andy Reed
I think I'm going
Andy 8
the thing about John Harbaugh's sneaky old
John Harbour horrible is 61.
You know what?
I'm going to Andy 8.
Kevin O'Connell's young and really big, but it feels like not a fighter.
Dable, I'm certain, has been in some scuffles.
But obviously, Siriani fights.
I still, though, I got to tell you.
I mean, you don't walk around for 40 years with that personality.
Not kidding.
I'm just telling you. That guy's got in some fights.
Yeah.
I got to tell you another guy who, again, is not going to be a high draft pick, but would, you know, wouldn't stop coming.
And that's the oldest coach in the NFL Pete Carroll.
Pete Carroll.
Pete Carroll wants to mix it up.
But there it is.
There's my list.
We don't have to go through anymore.
I think I think that was good.
But it is a very strong top three.
It's a very strong top three.
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Let's roll through a couple listener questions for we get out of here, pal.
W.
Why is Stafford so highly regarded?
He's never made an all-pro team.
has a career losing record, only two Pro Bowls, a 91 career quarterback rating in a passing era, and a 500 playoff record.
Jesus, this guy does not like that.
So, listen, I think that it's a combination of number one draft pick who had like individual super high highs instantly.
His third year in the league, his first year is a full-time starter.
he threw for 5,000 yards, 40 touchdown 16 picks.
So it was like, bam, you know what I mean?
So I think when you're a number one draft pick and your first real chance as a starter,
you pop like that.
People are like, holy shit.
So I think that.
I then think the fact that people felt like, man,
if only he could get out of Detroit, wonder what would happen.
And then he got out of Detroit and instantly won the Super Bowl.
So you know what I mean?
So big strong, huge arm talent was a big what if.
And then when the what if actually played out, he kicked ass.
In the playoffs with the Rams, it's not only his 5 and 2.
He has a 109 rating 15 touchdowns, three picks, beat Brady.
Like, you know, so I understand the raw numbers haven't always been there.
But I think combination of I test, draft pedigree.
agree. Super high highs, all of it.
All right. Let's go to Ben.
Ben asked, what was your best and worst bet from last year?
Worst bet. Best bet was Broncos over five and a half.
They ended up making the playoffs.
Worst bet was Steelers miss everything.
And I tied that into a bunch of stuff.
You know what I mean? So that one's pretty easy.
Um, the, all right.
Let's go to Danny.
Danny asked, what's your favorite
Prema Holmes era Chiefs moment?
About 10
Jamal Charles games.
Jamal was my favorite
player ever before Patrick
and Travis.
And
I mean,
Jamal, Jamal had like
a five touchdown game against the Broncos
that was sick.
A bunch of Jamal Charles moments.
Dorian says,
new nickname is Nick.
live in a society right. I like that.
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