The Herd with Colin Cowherd - What’s Wright - NFL Week 14 Reaction: Eagles & Chiefs FALLING APART, Bills NOW OR NEVER, Shedeur drama | Nick Wright

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.  Nick Wright recaps Week 14 of the NFL season, starting with Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, and the Kansas City Chiefs' crushing Sunday Night Football loss vs.... CJ Stroud's Houston Texans. Is it all but over for KC this season? Then, Nick breaks down the wild Monday Night Football game between Justin Herbert's Los Angeles Chargers and Jalen Hurts' Philadelphia Eagles and what it means for both teams going forward. How big of a problem is Jalen Hurts for the Eagles? After, Nick discusses why it's now or never for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills to get to the Super Bowl, the struggles of Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens, and Shedeur Sanders conspiracies. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:59 This episode of What's Right with Think Right is presented to you by Boost Mobile. Demonsie, how are you? Great to see you. Look fantastic. I'm doing good. Rested. Doing good. Baby is now officially one month old.
Starting point is 00:03:13 100%. Yeah. All right, this is really embarrassing and I, you know, I have strengths and weaknesses as a parent, now also a grandparent. Is her birthday November 8th or 9th? It's the 9th. The 9th. Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I thought.
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Starting point is 00:04:15 we're crushing. We're going to annihilate it. So we do have to get to the Kansas Chiefs. We do have to get to an unbelievable Monday night football game. And I'm just telling you, I said this off the air. I'm saying it on the air now. Um, misery loves company, guys. And there is no silver lining to this chief season, but the only way that I'll be able to survive it is I might turn into the next few months a world class hater.
Starting point is 00:04:52 I'm just letting everyone know. I'm letting, listen, there's, I've got the, I have some carve outs. I have a soft spot of my heart for Matt Stafford and the Rams. I obviously like Baker and the Bucks. The Prince and the Jags sneaky, just winning games. And you know what? I've always said that I do believe at some point the Buffalo Bills are going to get over. And no better time than now.
Starting point is 00:05:26 And again, the hater in me also feels like having the yeah, but, yeah, but, You won the Super Bowl the year. Mahomes wasn't in the playoffs. I mean, it's like a mini Super. Like, uh, so those teams I feel good about. And I can see myself pulling for once the playoffs begin. Everybody else, but most notably, the Philadelphia Eagles, folks, we, we're, our ship is sinking together.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Baltimore Ravens. you might be overboard before me. Cincinnati Bengals, I don't even really think about the Bengals anymore, but they did beat the Chiefs once in a playoff game. You got nine losses already. We're all, we are all falling together. I got nothing against the Lions, but you know what? They're in, so they're fine.
Starting point is 00:06:28 We'll get into all of it. and then, but most notable, well, it doesn't matter. We'll get into all of it. We'll talk about the Chiefs in a second. First, this episode of What's Right and Nickrott is brought to you by Boost Mobile. And straight to voicemail, of course, is brought to you by Boost Mobile. And I do, I'm not going to do the thing. I did a couple weeks ago where the Chiefs lost and then I didn't lead with the Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:06:48 But I am going to spend 90 seconds on the college football playoff because I thought Miami should get in over Notre Dame. I also thought though Notre Dame had an argument to get in over Al, Alabama. But this is, and Yok it's past Jordan and Cruz says Josh Hart hands off his kid to Mitchell Robinson, but just real quick, oh, that's adorable. I love that.
Starting point is 00:07:11 I like that picture a lot. Go ahead. Oh, no, I just said in the think of it, the baby. On the pitch. Yeah. Give me 90 seconds here in the college football playoff because I just want to get on the record about this and we put this on the internet if we want to.
Starting point is 00:07:31 I supported expanding the playoff from four to 12, not because there were ever going to be 12 deserving teams, but because of a year just like this year, where there is one unimpeachable team that obviously deserves to be there in Indiana, and then more than three teams that have an argument they should be included in a chance to win the national championship. Those being, of course, Ohio State, Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon, Ole Miss, and there's one more than I'm forgetting.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Who was the seven seed? Was it Oklahoma? I should have pulled. Oh, A&M, pardon me. A&M and I and Oklahoma. Throw them in as well. the whole reason for expanding the playoffs, apologies to my friend today in him,
Starting point is 00:08:34 my buddy John Lopez, was to make sure you're not having to choose between Texas Tech and Oregon. The whole reason of expanding the playoffs was to make sure that you're not having choose between Ole Miss and Georgia, even though that wouldn't have been given what Georgia did that hard of a decision. The point of the playoff was not to make, make sure a team with Miami or Texas or Notre Dame or BYU or Alabama's resume gets in. So any of those teams that get in, just be happy about it.
Starting point is 00:09:12 And any of those teams, if you are arguing we were 10th, then you've lost. So I just don't care about Notre Dame versus Miami versus Alabama because the point of the playoff was not to accommodate them. The point of the playoff was to make sure that Texas Tech doesn't get left out for Oregon or vice versa. The playoff has accomplished that. So that's what matters here. You expand from 4 to 12 to make sure you, years like this year where there are six or seven teams that have a legitimate claim
Starting point is 00:09:56 their top four, all of them get in. That's why you do it. Everyone else, and it's not to say one of those teams can't somehow peel a championship. Ohio State did it last year. Not the point. Point is we, you did not expand the playoff to accommodate the Miami's and Notre Dame's of 2025. You expanded the playoff to make sure the Ole Miss and Oregon's of 2025 didn't get left out.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Okay. Like rate, subscribe review. Please. The Chiefs are six and seven, DeMaze. Yeah. It's grim. They have lost now four of their
Starting point is 00:10:50 last five after that game with Houston. This is the first time. I think it kind of looked like the cold was affecting the Chiefs. O'Line was cooked. Kelsey had some drops. Rice had some drops. Mahomes was limping around. Is there any type of silver lining or any type of hope that you're holding on to after those last game through the end of the season?
Starting point is 00:11:11 All right. Well, listen, the hope is like, do they have a path to the playoffs? And the answer is yes, technically. But, and the simplest way to explain their path to playoffs, and then we'll get into what has happened. But let me just get this out of the way. they have to go 4-0 home chargers at Titans
Starting point is 00:11:36 home Broncos at Raiders the Colts can't go 3 and 1 not worried about that I mean they're thinking about starting Phillip Rivers so the cults part of it to me is easy because the cults have Seahawks Niners
Starting point is 00:11:55 Jags Texans So let's just say the Colts are out. And then the Chargers have to go either 0 and 4 or 1 in 3 with one of the losses being to Denver in week 18. The simplest way to look at can the Chiefs make the playoffs is they have to beat the Chargers this weekend. they then have to beat the Titans, the Broncos, and the Raiders, and the Chargers have to then lose to Denver in week 18 and to either the Texans or the Cowboys in week 1617. If that happens, the Chiefs make it.
Starting point is 00:12:48 And when I lay it out that way, I can tell by the look on Demonsay's face, it doesn't seem impossible. It's like, okay, Chief's got to beat the Chargers. The Titans and the Raiders are awful. Home game against the Broncos, they could do it. And then for the Chargers, can they lose to Denver and Week 18 and to either the Texans or the Cowboys? It's like, oh, maybe. Like, yeah, that's possible.
Starting point is 00:13:19 The problem is this. As evidenced by the Chiefs game Sunday night, the Chiefs are not a reliable team right now. And they lost Sunday night for 10 different reasons, and they were all little microcosms for what's happened all season long that has put them in this position. In no particular order, just kind of running list, right?
Starting point is 00:14:07 Bad special teams for the first time of this era. That missed field goal at the end of the first half ended up being absolutely brutal, particularly because if they were up 13 to 10 instead of tied 10, 10, 10, they wouldn't have gone for that fourth and one, which then leads me to some very shaky situation coaching from Andy at times. It feels like he has been more aggressive than, not it feels like he has been way more aggressive
Starting point is 00:14:44 than any year, than years past, yet oddly passive in the Cowboys game when both teams are moving the ball up and down the field and then insanely aggressive in the Texans game when that Texans offense was dead on arrival. in the second half. Like that, going for that fourth down, when at that moment, Chris Jones has taken over the game entirely, is,
Starting point is 00:15:18 I hated it in real time. I don't care what the analytical model said. The flow of that game, the Texans were not scoring again. And the Chiefs didn't need to do that. I love Andy, but that was a mistake. So that bit them in this game. I mentioned Chris Jones.
Starting point is 00:15:37 He was unreal in the second half of this football game. But the fact that the Chiefs all year long have only been able to generate any type of quarterback pressure when Chris Jones is dominant is a collective failure. I don't know how many times I've talked to Monzae about third and last. longs. They gave up a third and 16 in this game. They gave up, listen, the third and 10 that they gave up on the pass interference was shaky, but they gave up a third and eight previously. Like third and long defense was a problem. I'm not, Patrick's game was odd, because obviously the stat line is the stat line, and he missed some throws. I also thought he had some heroic moments and was the least of our problems, but he did
Starting point is 00:16:45 throw that pick, the second pick he threw the one in the second half on third and six deep down the field, Hollywood Brown's open and he underthrows him. The inability to get on the same page on the deep ball has been a problem all year. And when he has gotten on the same page, like the bomb to Taekwuan Thornton, the perfect 60-yard pass, Thornton doesn't reel it in. Kelsey has actually been really good this year. He's second, I think, amongst tight-ins in yards and catches. But his bad moments have been awful.
Starting point is 00:17:29 The drop against Philly that flipped that game, the drop against the Texans that ended this game. The total inability to have any run game other than from Patrick Mahomes, aside from Kareem Hunt in the Colts game, has been a killer. Patrick's led them in rushing four times this year. They're 0 and 4 in those games. all and so going into this game you knew the offensive line was a problem they were down three starters
Starting point is 00:18:03 in the first play of the game one of the backups went down but honestly the third string kid that came in as a poli i think is how you say his name it's p o'le but i don't think it's pronounced pole um played really well and the chief's game plan knowing it was got to be quick quick they didn't lose because the offensive line was in shambles. They lost because they haven't executed. And this is why I was so adamant all of last year that I did not care what the advanced stats said, that that was a great team. because winning in the NFL, we haven't solved it yet through success rate and EPA per play
Starting point is 00:19:06 and DVOA. We just haven't. And it's one of the beautiful things about pro football is it hasn't been saber metric to the way baseball has where we just know everything. And last year's team, yes, of course, there were some lucky bounces. And yes, of course, there were a couple, a few wins that could have been losses. But overall, that team understood like a great tennis player does, the four or five highest leverage moments of a match, and that's when they execute their best.
Starting point is 00:19:51 This year, this chief's team, has been the exact opposite. And I can go, I can, week one, after being thoroughly outplayed, you have the chargers in a third and 15 to get the ball back. And Chris Jones doesn't keep contain Herbert runs and you lose. Week two, you're about to take the lead on the goal line.
Starting point is 00:20:21 and Kelsey doesn't secure the ball tips it up and it's intercepted. The loss to the Jags, Patrick doesn't see a lurking D-Linman with a chance to put the game away. It gets picked sixth and they lose. The loss against the Broncos, you have. Bo Nix in a third and eight with a fourth quarter lead and you let him complete an easy pass over the middle of the field. This has happened all year and the Texans game was no different. Fourth and one, tie game, ten minutes left, brutal cold, arrowhead on fire, on your own 30, against a team that has not scored in an hour and a half of real time.
Starting point is 00:21:39 And you ran a play with no threat of a run against the best past Russian football. That's how you lose. And so that's just where they're at. And I'm not going to, where I will, and I don't know if people want to hear this or not. where I will give myself credit, I guess, but not really credit. This is just more an indictment on how other people, I think, either do sports fandom or media. I'm not going to make any of the excuses that people made in the other direction when the chiefs were winning. I'm not good, like, I'm not blaming the reps for the bad pass interference call that
Starting point is 00:22:37 it led to seven Texans points. Bad calls happen. I'm not saying it's bad luck. I'm not saying this is actually deep down a great team. They're not. And I talked, I don't know how much content I did after the Cowboys game. You didn't hear, you're not, you didn't hear me say one thing about the officials because it's the NFL, man. There's up and down officiating every single week.
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Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah. Because I will, now, there is a very real possibility of a cruel circumstance staring at me, which is, because, again, nothing, if the Chargers, beat the obviously if the charges beat the chiefs the chiefs are dead but the chargers could lose their next three and if they beat the broncos the chiefs are dead just dead i i think technically there is a different possibility of the whole like a fc south imploding but i don't think that's a like i'm that involves like the cardinals and the raiders winning games like so the for all intent and purposes. If the Chargers beat the Broncos, the Chief Seasons over, and that's in week.
Starting point is 00:28:20 That's in week 18. And my obvious... Broncos could be resting players at that time. So that's the... So that's what I've tried to game out in my head of do I think it's likely the Broncos are not playing for something that week. So let's actually, you know what? let's just real quick talk this out right now. Let's do it. Because what we know is the Broncos have at least right now. They don't really have a super easy.
Starting point is 00:29:05 But I don't know if that's good for the chiefs or not. So here's the deal. If we're assuming, obviously none of this matters if the chiefs don't beat the Broncos. So that puts the Broncos at three losses. We need Denver to be playing for, I can't, you know what, there's no way to figure this out, to be honest with you, because there's too many unknown tiebreakers because Denver and the Patriots didn't play head to head.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Right now, when Denver and the Pats are, have the same record. the Broncos have the tiebreaker, but so let me. I mean, so you want them to win their next two. This kind of seems like what you're saying. Yeah, I think, I think here's what I, but here's where I don't, wouldn't want them to win their next two. I wouldn't want them to win their next two if the Patriots are about to go on a bit of a swoon and then it gives the Broncos the.
Starting point is 00:30:18 possibility of having the one seed locked up going the worst case scenario is the Broncos have the one seed locked up going into week 18 that's a disaster the so this isn't good podcast content I'm not going to spend more time on this what I was the the because I can't figure out the exact you know ramifications right um what I so what would be the the the chief So the point that I was trying to make was, after all of the trash I've talked on the 11 and 2 Broncos all year, if they end up being so good that not only do they win the division, but they are able to rest players and that costs the chiefs a spot in the tournament, which again, for that to even be a possibility, Kansas City's got to win all of the rest of their games. that would be a cruel mistress, I'll tell you that much. But it's a position they put themselves in. Now, I do want to say one more thing, Demandze, before we get to the other stuff,
Starting point is 00:31:31 which is the, how does this impact the Mahomes goat stuff? And I'm going to try to do this quickly. But I don't even think it is debatable. what I'm about to say. It's just very simple kind of how linear time works, okay? Even when missing the playoffs this year, if they do, Patrick Mahomes, by any metric that you choose, stats, wins, postseason success, championships, championship appearances by any metric, has had the greatest first eight years as a starter or first nine years of his career of any player in league history, of any quarterback.
Starting point is 00:32:31 That is not a debate. That is just what the numbers are. Now, obviously, in his quest to become the goat, you have to incorporate two, realities. One is, the guy he's chasing beat him twice in the playoffs, and he'll never be able to beat him because he's long retired. That hurts. And the other one is, the guy he's chasing, played so incredibly long and had such an unbelievable final 10 years that it is unrealistic to think Patrick will play nearly as long as time.
Starting point is 00:33:24 And so he needed and needs to rack up accomplishments early and really be ahead of the pace because almost he's not I don't think he's going to play till he's 45. So all of that is just factually true. And so in that regard, this season hurts him a lot. But one can acknowledge that while also acknowledging that the idea that Tom Brady or those Pats never had dips or maybe not a season quite like this, but I'll get to that in a moment, is erroneous. Patrick has been a starter for eight years. Let's assume they missed the playoffs this year.
Starting point is 00:34:29 In those eight years, Patrick has more playoff wins. Eight years is a starter side by side, Patrick and Tom. They have the same number of Super Bowl wins. Patrick has more playoff wins, regular season wins, playoff appearances, regular season MVP's, Super Bowl MVP's. In those eight seasons, Tom missed the playoffs twice. Patrick missed the playoffs potentially once. In those eight seasons, there were three years where Tom's team, I'm sorry,
Starting point is 00:35:22 two years where Tom's team did not win a playoff game. game and three years where Tom's team did not make the conference championship game. In Patrick's, eight years, again, assuming they missed the playoffs, there will be one year where they didn't want a playoff game and one year where they didn't make the conference championship game. Now, people listening to this are yelling two things. Well, one of those years Tom was hurt, unfair to use that against them. It's totally true.
Starting point is 00:35:57 And I'm not using it against him. I am simply doing linear time. First eight seasons, here's what they did. And while you wouldn't use the year he was hurt and they missed the playoffs against him, you also certainly are not going to be like, that helps him. Like the year he didn't play helps him. The other thing people say with regularity is, well, the 02 year, when they missed the playoffs and won nine games,
Starting point is 00:36:28 Tom wasn't Tom. Okay. I mean, that's an okay opinion to have, but it is a weird opinion to have if the argument, if you are trying to make the argument that through eight years, Tom was better, then I don't think you can make the argument
Starting point is 00:36:52 that year two of that timeline doesn't count, because year two Patrick was so much better than year two Tom. That doesn't make sense. Now, if the argument is at the beginning, Tom wasn't as fully for himself, and when he became as fully for himself, they never had a year like this. That is true.
Starting point is 00:37:11 That cuts in both directions, though. Because if you're saying that early Tom doesn't get knocked for a nine and seven season because he wasn't really Tom Brady yet, then you can't then also be like, but all of the accomplishments count with the same way. He does, like the Super Bowl's count for him, the missed playoffs and count against him.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I'm not going to do any of that. I'm simply going to line up the eight years next to each other. And Patrick's first eight years, by any way you cut it, even with this year included, outstrip Tom's first eight years. Now, again, the obvious argument, against that is, yeah, but do you think Patrick's next 15 are going to look like Tom's?
Starting point is 00:38:00 That's going to be very, very difficult. But we're not there yet. And what I would also add is this. You know who also didn't think their next that the second decade of his career was going to look like it did for Tom Brady? Tom Brady and the Patriots. because 2011 to 2018 was the Pat's run that comes closest. That actually outstrips now, there's Chiefs run.
Starting point is 00:38:39 2011 to 2018. So the Patriots had 01 to 07, 7 years, four Super Bowl appearances, three championships. The Chiefs, 18 to 25, seven years, five Super Bowl appearances, three championships. championships. The Patriots in that time, or 18 to 24, I should have said it for the Chiefs. Patriots in that time missed the playoffs once, didn't make the Conference Championship game two times. The Chiefs missed the playoffs, zero times, didn't make the Conference Championship game zero times. And then there's the Patriot run of 11 to 18 that the Chiefs had been chasing.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Eight straight conference championship games, the only streak longer than the Chiefs won right now. Super Bowl appearances, same as the Chiefs. Three Super Bowl victories, same as the Chiefs. If the Chiefs missed the playoffs this year, then this eight-year run, they also went to three straight Super Bowls like the Chiefs did. Then this eight-year run falls just short of that one. But notice the timeline I did, DeMonsei, was 01 to 07 and then 11 to 18. And the reason I did that, and this is again, if people are
Starting point is 00:39:56 interested in being having a real discussion about the resume side by side, you then have to include that in 2008, 2009, and 2010, Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in those three years won a total of zero playoff games. So the only reason I bring that up is. Let's assume the Chiefs missed the playoffs this year. In year eight, I mean, it's the, the symmetry of this is kind of crazy. Tom Brady in his seventh year as a starter, walked onto the field in the Super Bowl, attempting to win his fourth championship and cement that team is the greatest team in the history of the league. They lost and the next year was a season from hell
Starting point is 00:41:08 because Tom got his knee blown out in week one. The next year, they won 10 games and got beat by 20 in the wild card round of the playoffs. And the next year, they were the number one seed and lost to Mark Sanchez at home in their their first playoff game. And then they started the 11 to 18, 8 straight conference championship game around. Patrick Mahomes, in his seventh year as a starter, walked onto the field, trying to win his fourth
Starting point is 00:41:44 Super Bowl, and knowing if we win this game, we are the greatest team of all time. They lost, and the following year was a season from hell. He didn't get hurt, but it looks like they're going to miss the playoffs. again, if Brady is following the Mahomes timeline, if Mahomes is following the Brady timeline, that would mean the Chiefs don't win a playoff game again until 2028. That the next two years, they don't win a playoff game.
Starting point is 00:42:19 I don't think that's going to happen. I also don't think Patrick's going to play 24 years. I don't think their careers are going to be identical moving forward. but through eight years, it's stunning how similar the overall team success has been. And the Patriots after that 07 season, and then the 08 season had to do a bit of a reboot. We'll see what the Chiefs have to do.
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Starting point is 00:44:52 Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.
Starting point is 00:45:03 We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it
Starting point is 00:45:21 one of the early names of our band. before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,
Starting point is 00:45:33 where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:45:48 Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
Starting point is 00:46:02 This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game.
Starting point is 00:46:23 This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsLyce comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines.
Starting point is 00:46:39 We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer-beaters to controversial calls, calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered.
Starting point is 00:46:59 SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsClyce on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs. And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm Breast. breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jench and won. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, before we get to Monday Night Football Demande, let's talk a little AFC title window.
Starting point is 00:48:36 The bills are now the favorite to win in the AFC after their win over the Bengals. Following them are the Broncos and the Patriots, but those are obviously younger teams with those newer quarterbacks. If Kansas City misses the playoffs, who is the favorite to win in the AFC or who has the most pressure? to win in the AFC. I'd say it's the bills. Oh, I mean, it's not, yeah, it's the bills by a country mile.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah. The bills have to make the Super Bowl this year. It's not even, that's not a hot take. That's not complex. It is, if they walk into the playoffs and the Ravens aren't there, and Joe Burroughs not there, and Patrick Mahomes isn't there, they have to come out of it. They have lost in the playoffs to Joe and Patrick five consecutive years.
Starting point is 00:49:45 2020, AFC championship game to Patrick. 2021, 13 second game, divisional round to Patrick. 2022, in their stadium in the snow to Joe. 2023, divisional round game in their stadium to Patrick. 24 AFC championship game at Arrowhead to Patrick. If they go to the postseason
Starting point is 00:50:11 and standing between them is Bo Nix is Denver Broncos second year stud first playoff appearance Drake May the Prince and the Jags
Starting point is 00:50:30 a more abundant offense in Houston who already beat them once and whoever the hell comes out of the AFC North. 42-year-old Aaron Rogers and the Steelers and then the Chargers and Justin Herbert, you have to make the Super Bowl. And I'm telling you right now, DeMonte, they would be my pick. Yeah, I mean. They've got it.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Josh is playing great. This is the moment. They would be my pick. Nobody wants to play them. Wilde is pretending like he's not scared. He's petrified. And the, it would be a catastrophe for Buffalo to not make the Super Bowl. And they look, listen.
Starting point is 00:51:39 That game they played against Cincinnati, that's just what they get. It's just got to be Josh Allen, live or die with you, bro. We'll just, you know, crazy rhinoceros Josh Allen. And he looks awesome. And the roller coaster will be back to a degree. He'll have some ups and downs. But they shouldn't need. Here's the, here's how I would see.
Starting point is 00:52:09 it playing out. They shouldn't need Monster Josh Allen performance to go to Pittsburgh and win in round one. That should just happen. They should just be able to pretty methodically beat them. Round two, and then if the, let's just say the seeds hold, and you play Denver and New England in round two and three, or New England and Denver and round two and three, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:40 don't know which round round two whoever whenever you play bow nicks josh should just be able to make just that's a don't make mistakes see if bow nicks can you know make enough plays to where you defense though yes great defense and then against
Starting point is 00:53:05 against the patriots I think he'd have to go superhero I think he can do it. And it's just such a... Go ahead. They're plus 375 to win the AFC. Yeah, which makes them like co-favorites. They're my pick right now.
Starting point is 00:53:28 And here is the insane thing about the NFL this year to last year. Here's the full list of Monsei of teams that won 12 or more games last year. and their current situation. The Detroit Lions currently out of the playoffs. The Kansas City Chiefs currently out of the playoffs. The Philadelphia Eagles in the midst of a crisis. The Minnesota Vikings, awful. The Buffalo Bills, pause on them.
Starting point is 00:54:05 The Baltimore Ravens, disaster, and the Washington. and commanders season from hell. Seven teams won 12 or more games last year. Two of them, Minnesota and Washington, are dead. Another two, Kansas City and Baltimore, are hanging on for dear life. Detroit is trying to scrape its way in. Philadelphia is in the midst of a free fall. and Buffalo is sitting right there.
Starting point is 00:54:47 It could not be better set up for them. And that's why I am not taking Josh Allen going to his press conference and saying never a doubt as a shot at me. I'm taking it as he's trying to usher as much good karma as possible. And you know what? I'm good with it. You know, if it, if it's got to be anybody, I'm glad it's them. It's actually like, yeah, they deserve it.
Starting point is 00:55:27 They deserve it. Now, the Rams, we're not talking to any NFC right now. A bunch of NFC teams deserve it and are good enough. But just talking about the AFC. All right, let's go over to the NFC, DeMonte. So it was your first time rooting for the Eagles last night, and it went pretty poorly because they lost the game. I don't know how many turnovers they had that game,
Starting point is 00:55:47 That was one of the craziest games I've ever seen in my life. How bad are things in Philly after last night? I mean, bad enough that the headline for the Philly Inquirer today is, should they bench jail and hurts for Tanner McKee? That's pretty bad. Rough over there, man. I know nobody wants to hear this from me today. But I owe the audience honesty.
Starting point is 00:56:22 And even if this will piss off people that already don't like me, so be it. Because I think deep down, everybody knows it, particularly people on the team. The Eagles have a Jalen Hertz problem. He, for some reason, does not trust himself on quick decisions. And because of that, the offense does not function properly. And then a game like last night comes around where, he makes a mistake and it snowballs in honestly cartoonish fashion. I mean, the guy had thrown two picks on the year.
Starting point is 00:57:13 He threw four yesterday, including its first in 10 in overtime, inside the red zone. And he makes a hero play and they lose the game because of it. So I don't know. Like, you can't have this much. Is some wrong with the offense? There's some wrong with the offense. A.J. Brown sounding that alarm. None of his teammates.
Starting point is 00:57:49 What we didn't hear from any of the Eagles is, man, AJ needs to shut up. We're fine. It sure felt like a lot of the teammates were like, man, I'm glad he's taking those bullets because there is something wrong with you all. Exactly. Yeah. You go three and out more than any team on a percentage basis in the NFL in the last decade.
Starting point is 00:58:13 You have all this talent. And it can't just be Kevin Petula. It can't be. And I understand Jalen was unbelievable in the Super Bowl. I understand Jalen has had some truly spectacular huge games. There's no, there's no denying that. but the comp I have used repeatedly I will continue to use and it's not they are it's not identical but it's a lot of similarities the comp for Jalen Hertz and this era of Eagles football is Russell
Starting point is 00:58:53 Wilson and the Legion of Doom the Legion of Boom Seahawks great on the deep shot good with his legs, good in the short stuff, shaky in the intermediate, great defense, winner, great running game, wins a Super Bowl, loses a Super Bowl, jailed it in the reverse order, and for some reason or another, the team doesn't seem to fully vibe with him. Yeah, they have a vibe bunny in the locker room. I feel like when that type of stuff is going on. I'm positivity rabbit. I thought that was a joke. When I saw that, someone, one of our first things first, one of the producers texted that, I think it was Dusty, who's an Eagles fan.
Starting point is 00:59:47 You thought he got Sintelder or something? I thought what? You thought he got Sintel or something like it was a fake Twitter account. Oh, Sintel's, yes, exactly. I was like annoyed by it when he sent it to me. I'm like, God, I was like either. Fact check this stuff, man. Correct. I thought one of two things. I thought either Dusty got duped by the most obvious fake news ever or he was sending a joke.
Starting point is 01:00:19 And then I realized it was real. Yeah, Sequin came out. Yeah, man. If it works, it works. It didn't work last night, though. No. And now here's the Chargers side of this is interesting. and I never, here's the deal. This is so, I'm about to do something very unfair and borderline unprofessional. I'm just letting you know now, but I own the show.
Starting point is 01:00:53 So, we own the show, DeMons. We'll brace myself. No, it's not going to be, it's not what you think. I have a great Justin Herbert take. Great. 10 out of 10. I honestly feel like I kind of know where you're going with it, but what it, I won't guess or anything, but. No, because here's the deal. Like I said, I'm going to be a, like, world-class hater these next few months.
Starting point is 01:01:25 And this isn't hating on Justin Herbert. I know that I am going to be talking Justin Herbert with Justin Herbert's number one media apologist Danny Parkins. in about five and a half hours. And I don't want him to have any extra time to prepare for my argument. So I'm saving my Justin Herbert take. I'm telling you guys. So that is, to our wonderful sponsors, to all our partners, I promise I'll make up for it. But I, it is too important to me to try to really bamboozle Danny.
Starting point is 01:02:12 in a few hours that I don't want I don't want he already has an advantage of seeing the two of the TV for the first two hours of first things first getting an idea of where I'm at on stuff um but the too long didn't read short version of it is it's very very difficult to square the circle of Justin Herbert's biggest critics could not hate that game from him last night. And Justin Herbert's biggest supporters cannot love that game from him last night. That's the short version of it. But he has now put himself in position, as we talked about earlier, for the Chargers, where all they have to do is not collapse
Starting point is 01:03:07 and he gets a chance at playoff redemption. And he will be, oh, this, I just realized something. There's a decent possibility that the playoff game we get, if the Chargers make it, is Chargers Jags Part 2. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:32 In the playoffs and part 4 of their regular, of their whole careers, and Trevor's 3-0. Yeah. Oh, that would be unbelievable. That would be unbelievable. Um, all right. As the holiday, go ahead. Yeah, my bad.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Justin Herbert. No, you go. You know, he's kind of, he's hurt right now. Like, I just. Yeah. And then come that like the, I don't know, he's playing, he's playing the Texans in a couple weeks. He's got some tough stuff ahead.
Starting point is 01:04:00 But yeah. Tough stuff ahead. Cheaps up next. I thought he was gritty as hell yesterday with the running. Yeah. It was unbelievable the way he, I was stateline was what it was. But I always gritty. He did what needed to be done.
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Starting point is 01:05:23 We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.
Starting point is 01:05:35 Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. but this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band
Starting point is 01:05:54 before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas.
Starting point is 01:06:05 And then I wrote down on my little notepad Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
Starting point is 01:06:32 This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an acapella with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies,
Starting point is 01:07:07 and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you,
Starting point is 01:07:37 you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs. And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen she win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now
Starting point is 01:08:13 and actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
Starting point is 01:08:38 Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:09:02 All right, DeMonzie, let's keep going. All right, so my Ravens are slipping further. and further out of the picture with a divisional loss to the Steelers. After the loss to the Steelers, Lamar said that the frustration level was through the roof. He still thinks that we can maybe slip in there if we went out with these last four games. I am. Yeah. I think we can.
Starting point is 01:09:24 I don't know how the math and stuff works. But I know that we're not completely out of it. And let's win these four games and see what can happen out of there. And I am going to blame the refs. I am the type of person. That was what are you? you doing especially to Isaiah likely somebody that's had some questionable
Starting point is 01:09:40 history I guess over the last year and a half like why do that to do where is he going to go what are you talking about a football move what do I need to make a football move for him already in the end zone there's nowhere else to go but so here's no listen so here's the thing on that
Starting point is 01:09:56 specific call and you know I hate replay hate replay in sports it's made sports worse they promised us with NFL and some replay that the call on the field
Starting point is 01:10:12 would have precedent and it would only be overturned if it was clear and obvious. The NFL, by the way, then added this year like, hey, even better, expedited replay. And that's just going to fix obvious errors. In the Chiefs Texans game,
Starting point is 01:10:29 the call in the field was correct about a spot. Expedited replay came in and was like, no, no, no. He got the first down. And then Andy was like, you got to be kidding me. Challenged. And then the reps were like, our bad expedited replay was wrong. So the replay creep has gotten so massive to where it was like replay only will be for the Vinny Testa Verdi. We thought his helmet was the football. We gave him a touchdown mistakes. And now it's like, we're just going to get buzzed down.
Starting point is 01:11:06 base calls off vibes. So I hate, I hate it. My opinion on the likely thing is, whatever the call on the field was should have stood. So I do think it was close. And had they called it incomplete, I would have argued it should have stayed incomplete. Right. But for them to call that a touchdown and then overturn it, I think is incorrect. So I, so I agree with you that you guys got screwed on that call. Yeah. But that's not the problem for Baltimore. No.
Starting point is 01:11:43 Problem for Baltimore is they're not good. And Lamar is playing terribly. And something lost in the weeds of this past weekend. Was that two-minute drill Lamar attempted to run on Sunday? Was an abomination. They had the ball with a minute 56 and a timeout, pardon me, at the 26-yard line. and they had gone eight yards and there was 45 seconds left and they had used their timeout.
Starting point is 01:12:16 They got the ball with two minutes and a timeout and they ran out of time. I think we ended up. It was like a, we weren't going to be able to snap the ball in time or something like that. I feel like we're far off the line and how to use the timeout. Are you just saying like we shouldn't have been there to?
Starting point is 01:12:34 No, what I'm saying is, It's Lamar's job to understand. I can't, I can't start this drive on the 26 with a minute 56 left and one timeout. And then three minutes of real time later, be on the 34 with 45 seconds left and no timeouts. Something disastrous has happened. Listen, man, Lamar's been bad since he came back from the injury. And Harbaugh doesn't know what buttons to push. and even if they sneak into the playoffs,
Starting point is 01:13:12 they are getting clocked in round one. I have no faith in that team at all, none. Like the only reason they have a better path to the playoffs than Kansas City, but the reason that I will hold off the tiniest bit of hope is because Kansas City has been such a dominant playoff team, Baltimore's been the opposite. Now, maybe you could argue, oh, this year if they make it, it's going to be the inverse. Bad in the regular season are awesome in the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:13:43 At least the Chiefs have two games this year, the Ravens game and the Lions game. It's like, man, we were awesome on both sides of the ball for 60 minutes. The Ravens have zero games this year. We're like, man, we feel great about how both sides of the ball play. The closest they came to it was their winning against the Bears, and Lamar didn't play. So I don't know what's going on there. All right, let's talk Shador. Brown's head coach has announced that Shador is going to be the starter
Starting point is 01:14:15 through the end of the season. Kind of weird that he's making him the start of the end of the season because, you know, they went for that two-point conversion at the end of the game and Shador was out of the game. What's going on there? Okay. I thought Shador played really well. I was impressed.
Starting point is 01:14:30 Had some really nice moments. One awful throw, but that's so what? he's a rookie. And that's the type of performance that earns you the job the rest of the year. And now we'll see how he is over the next month, where to see if he maybe can prove everyone involved in the NFL draft process from a team perspective wrong. It's an amazing opportunity. And I don't, listen, I said this to Danny on Sunday, and this is the best way to explain it. Because I do think Shador is a good kid, and I do think he's charming, and I do think he's well-intentioned.
Starting point is 01:15:11 The, this is the best. He just strikes me as, like, some of the things that people dislike about his personality, not the play, the personality. I just feel like, oh, I know a lot of, I've known a lot of people like that. It's just like a really rich kid that doesn't quite get. get, you know, how it doesn't get how the way he acts kind of comes across to certain people. But it doesn't mean they're a bad person.
Starting point is 01:15:44 And it doesn't mean they're like they are ill like they, that they, that I do think that some of the stuff that, like, I'm not telling the guy to change or suggesting that he should change, but I do think the stuff that people have problems with or like the bigger things is like a very easy thing to turn off for like a second or like whatever little minute it may be when you're talking. Right.
Starting point is 01:16:03 Yeah. I do too. And I, and I just think it is, I just think there are, listen, there are, because he's also done it.
Starting point is 01:16:11 Like, I feel like I've seen him do that as well. But, yeah, but what comes naturally to use what comes naturally to you. Yeah, and the kid's a super famous rich kid. Right.
Starting point is 01:16:19 With a super famous, you know, dad and like, it just, again, that doesn't make you a bad person at all. Like, I,
Starting point is 01:16:26 I just think, I think sometimes that I see a lot of character traits where I'm like, Oh, I knew that kid. Like, I, the kid like that went to my school. Like he's a nice kid, basically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:43 It's a, it's a nice kid that doesn't, that sometimes just says things that people around him are like, does he even know? Like, does he get how that sounds? But they don't, that's fine. So that part doesn't really matter. It just is what it is. Like, um, he's good at football. What matters is his play. It seems like it.
Starting point is 01:17:01 And he. And he now was going to have. the opportunity to prove that he can do it on the field. And I thought he was really good on Sunday. Here's the thing on the two-point conversion call. That was quite simply one of the dumbest coaching decisions I've ever seen in my life. And it was dumb in every way something can be dumb. It was dumb in that, it looked like you had never practiced it. So if the argument is, no, we practiced it a ton and we were great at it, well, then, you know, you. Something's wrong with your execution game day.
Starting point is 01:17:48 So that's the first thing. Second thing was it doesn't need, it doesn't have to be that complicated. Trying to get two yards. You have Junkins do what looked like it was supposed to be like a reverse pass. That's ridiculous. Here's the other thing. By doing that, that was the only way you add to the noise. surrounding the dumb conspiracies with Shador.
Starting point is 01:18:22 Yeah. And you can say, oh, the football coach doesn't think about that, doesn't care about that, they don't worry about that. Bullshit. One of the big reasons Shador went in the draft as late as he did was because teams didn't want all the noise that came along with drafting him. And so even if you are just totally convinced, oh, calling a regular run play.
Starting point is 01:18:47 I'm not even saying Shador has to throw. the ball. He just called a Goddog. And a running play. They should have a quarterback and a running back on the, on the field. Just so it could be either way, a pass or run. And even if you're like, nope, we have, we have seen the future. And we have
Starting point is 01:19:05 a 48% chance of getting this by calling a traditional play, but a 58% chance of getting this by running this play. It's still not worth it. Because the knock on effect of the they were finally going to have a week with minimal outside noise. Shador played. He played well. You named him the starter. The folks that are like, they're setting him up to fail. They don't like him. All of it. We're going to,
Starting point is 01:19:40 there was nothing to say. And then after leading a 14-point comeback to the final two minutes, you call the single worst two-point conversion, anyone's called in the NFL all year. And so Hanlon Drazer is don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity. Like don't, don't assume someone was out to get you or there is a grand conspiracy when it could as easily be explained as that was just really dumb. and I'm here to tell you that was I don't think it's a conspiracy. And this is the biggest indictment on Stefansky for some of the things he's done. Some of the decisions Kevin Stefansky has made in his handling of the Brown's offense, that quarterback room, and Shador are so illogical. People think that there must be a,
Starting point is 01:20:52 conspiracy at hand because he can't be that dumb. It's just, just so, so ridiculous. I mean, you ever notice, go ahead, but keep cutting in right before the ad read.
Starting point is 01:21:08 I mean, it sure seems like there's some sabotaging going on around there. Seems like there's a little, a little bit of somebody not liking Shadour. That's what it seems like to me. Because how do you make that call? It makes no, that call made no sense at all.
Starting point is 01:21:22 It seems like that to a lot of people. And I'm just, and I'm here to tell you, I think the simpler explanation is despite his coach of the year awards, the guy, the Cleveland Browns keep trotting out there every year to be their head coach might not always make the best decisions. I don't think it necessarily has to be deeper than that. But listen, that's my team. You ever notice everything keeps going up, rents going up, streaming services going up, favorite burrito spot, think Salza should cost extra all of a sudden. Boost Mobile, you and your phone bill don't have to play the will this go up game. Why?
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Starting point is 01:22:41 Thursday night football, great win for the Lions. Cowboys, not dead yet. Is it cowboys, thanks to the Eagles, listen, it's very simple. Final four games. Cowboys have to win two more games than Philly. That's it. No tie breakers, no nothing, because Dallas has a tie. So it's very, very simple.
Starting point is 01:23:01 If Philly goes 2 and 2, Dallas has to go 4 and 0. If Philly goes 3 and 1, Dallas is dead. If Philly goes 1 and 3, Dallas has to go 3 and 1 or better. That's how they get in. Packers defeat the Bears 2821. I mean, this game probably deserved more time than we're giving it. This was a great game. Jordan Love played awesome.
Starting point is 01:23:24 Caleb had a miserable first half, a great second half, and then blew it at the end. I think Caleb is not quite there yet, but he still shows you these flashes of brilliance. Huge spot for the Bears in two weeks. They get a split with Green Bay. Then you make up for this game. You lose to Green Bay in two weeks. You can miss the playoffs outright. Next.
Starting point is 01:23:50 Saints defeat the bucks, 24 to 20. Disaster. my bucks are on shaky ground and baker's been shaky for a month i don't want to talk about it i it's not good i don't like any bit of it i cost me money tyler shuck running in the i did not enjoy that football game next seahawks defeat the falcons 37 to nine you call this yeah seeawks stevens unbelievable and poor kirk cousins had no shot and sam darnald at one o'clock with nobody watching look out. Next.
Starting point is 01:24:24 Yo, Jags defeat the Colts 3619. All right. Obviously, the news here is Daniel Jones and the Achilles, and you feel sick for him. It also, the cults, the last month for the Colts, franchise altering turn of events. Yeah. Trading two first round picks for Sauce Gardner,
Starting point is 01:24:46 seeing him go down with a cap strain, seeing your team fall apart, and then seeing Daniel Jones blow his Achilles. it's unspeakable how awful this was for them. The Jags, on the other hand, are legit, really good football team. Not quite, though, as good as this next team. Next, Amaze. Rams defeat the Cardinals 4517.
Starting point is 01:25:10 The Rams are a juggernaut right now. Just, I mean, just blowing people out with ease. Next. Broncos defeat the Raiders 2417. Yeah, listen, the Broncos. It wasn't as close as this. The story on this game is the craziest backdoor cover and overhit in the NFL this season. The Broncos beat you a bunch of different ways, man.
Starting point is 01:25:34 This was a special team's touchdown. I got to give them credit. Next. Vikings defeat the commanders 310. I didn't see that one coming. I got this one dead wrong. I know this will really surprise people. But Jaden Daniels got dinged up again.
Starting point is 01:25:51 and really, really brutal season all the way around for commanders fans. I feel badly for him. Last one. Probably shouldn't have been playing. Dolphins defeat the Jets 34 to 10. Spicey. Yeah, and the dolphins are in a weird spot because they have the same record as the chiefs. They're six and seven.
Starting point is 01:26:13 But for reasons I don't totally understand, even if they went out, they don't make the playoffs in any scenario. Like, they have that old athletic. I think they just lose all tiebreakers to everyone. And so the athletic playoff predictor, if they went out, gives them a 2% chance. Damn. If they went out. And so they're in, obviously, in really bad, bad shape. But McDaniel's got a job next year.
Starting point is 01:26:40 Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they say my good Daniel's job. All right. Before we go, I can't wait for this, guys. Are you a soccer fan? I've got good news for you. The world's biggest soccer tournament is coming to North America, including my hometown
Starting point is 01:26:56 Kansas, one of the 11 host cities. This year, it's bigger than ever, as the tournament has expanded to 48 teams featuring a record 104 matches. And you can bet on the tournament today using the Hard Rock Bet app. Favorites include defending champion Argentina, European powerhouses, England, France, Spain, and five-time champions, Brazil. Dark horses include North Carolina. Norway with Holland and Columbia, Morocco, and Japan, and host Mexico and Canada and the U.S.
Starting point is 01:27:27 are looking to make some serious noise on their home soil. So here is what I'm going to give for you guys as a fun route and something I think is going to happen. The U.S. got a great group draw in Australia, Paraguay, and then a little bit of a question mark as far as who the fourth team is going to be because it there's still a playoff to be played for six of the 48 teams and one of those playoff winners will come uh to the u.sss group it'll probably be turkey a but we don't know either way the u.s at plus 120 to win their group i like a lot i also once we once we have the full group set and we're going to do a ton of discussion of this tournament on our show.
Starting point is 01:28:30 But for right now, I think the U.S. to win Group D plus 120 makes a ton of sense. I also think that there was one other one I liked a lot as not necessarily. a long shot, but not the favorite. Oh, I would, I would consider Columbia to win Group K at plus 250, but the U.S. to win Group D at plus 120, and we'll talk more about the tournament later. Head over to the Hard Rock Bet app today, where you can bet on every single first round match with hundreds of markets available for each game. Additionally, you'll find a large selection of future markets, including group winners,
Starting point is 01:29:20 group runner ups, top scorer market, tournament MVP, and much more. Hard Rock Bet will be your home for next summer's soccer festival. All right, Demonsie, let's save the, I want to save the comments and questions for Thursday show, but I will address this one real quick because I saw it. J.F. asks, Nick, didn't you say at one point, great, players don't miss the playoffs in their prime. Yes, I absolutely did say that. About the NBA
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