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Episode Date: April 11, 2026

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.   Nick Wright answers listener questions during a mailbag episode! Nick breaks down how close Nikola Jokic is to becoming a top ten player in NBA history, what Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs must accomplish this season to keep their dynasty in tact, and who the next three quarterbacks will be to win their first Super Bowl... Josh Allen? Caleb Williams? Lamar Jackson? #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome in while driving the great episode 444. It is our Friday mailbag episode. And we record these Thursday after the Thursday pod. And DeMons, a Thursday show ended because Daniel baited us into a Yokic MVP topic, which turned into a Yokic all-time ranking topic. And our very first mailback question is of a similar thrust. And so you can kind of consider these, you know, like if you listen to one pod right after the other, this we kind of segues well.

But I just kind of want to allow, we want to do Ion's question and then elaborate further on Joker, who, listen, who I think might win the title this year. I, if we get Nuggets spurs in round two, I will be picking the Nuggets. I think, and I, I think we very well may end up with. a Celtics Nuggets NBA finals. Like, I think that is absolutely on the board. And it'd be awesome. I'm all for it.

And so I am not short-changing joke. I don't feel Joker or the Nuggets at all, but I also care a lot about NBA history and the resonance of these things. And so let's get to Ion's questions. I and says it's been two more playoff runs since Yolk has title. He had one brutal loss to the wolves and couldn't beat the thunder last year. Yet people keep pushing them up in the rankings into the Steph and Akeen tier.

I don't get it. He's better than Janus and Durant, but is he a tier above? He has two good playoff runs and that's it. Shea could surpass that all this year. You think people are going too far with Yokic praise these days. Listen, I guess it depends on what you define. is people. If people are trying to argue, you know, he's one of the five greatest players ever, yes,

that's too far. Now, I do think he has pretty clearly established himself ahead of Janus and ahead of Durant. And I just, I don't get, like, Durant having two rings doesn't offset to me. the individual dominance of Joker and the fact that he was the unquestioned engine behind his ring and that he went through, you know, people can scoff at it, that LeBron and Anthony Davis-Lakers team had won a title, and Joker was unstoppable en route to that series.

And his other deep playoff run, he ran into a great team that two, 2020 Lakers team was a great team. They were the best team in the league start to finish. So, but and I, so if we expand you know, outside of my top 12, which we did

at the end of Thursday's pod, of Bron, Kareem, Jordan, Magic, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Akeem, Shaq Steph.

After that 12, if we were to remove Yokic, I then would have Dr. Jay and Moses. I and Moses is a great comp, by the way, in that Moses only as the one ring, has three MVP's

was this kind of forgotten how dominant he was. Dr. Jay's tricky because Dr. Jay's tricky because Dr. Jay was the greatest ABA player ever, then came over to the NBA and immediately started going to a bunch of finals, but didn't win his title until he and Moses came together.

I have jokers slotted right ahead of those guys as right now, the 13th greatest player ever. And the reason that it's not just DeMonsei, can he win another ring, it's about deep, consistent playoff runs because those guys that I mentioned, here's their playoff games played. Okay? And I'm just going to kind of go down the list as I see them.

Braun is at 292. Okay, that's ridiculous. It's three and a half seasons of playoff games. Tim Duncan is at 250. Kareem is at 237. Kobe is at 220. Shaq is at 216. Magic, who had a shortened career, is at 190.

I'm scrolling further to find the... So who have I? Wilt is at 160. And keep in mind, the playoffs, obviously, back then there weren't as many rounds. Bill Russell is at 165. Akeem is. at 145 and you people don't think of a keem as like a ton of deep playoff runs he's at 145 step is where is step hold on i can't find him oh step is at 155 did i did i did that cover everybody

did i leave anybody out did i say bird bird is at 164 and joker is at 94 playoff games so that's where you start hitting your head on if everyone on the list has played nearly double the playoff games as you it's just hard to break in to that group and i know shack only has the um one mbp but what shack does have is it's not just the three p and it's not just the three straight finals mbps it's that in the early 2000s, in back to back to back, NBA finals, Shaquille O'Neal did the following. In his first NBA finals, first championship, I should say,

he was 38 points, 17 rebounds a night for the finals. And then in his next NBA finals against defensive. player of the year de Kimbe Matambo, he was 33 points, 16 rebounds a night. And then in his third NBA finals, he was 36 points, 12 rebounds a night, which means those three finals collectively, he averaged 35 and 15 with three blocks and four assists. So like that gives him real heft, if you will. Akeem, who's the other center, I still, and I know others don't, that I have a head of, that I have ahead of Joker, he is, and maybe Wimby takes it, but he is the greatest defensive

player of the last 50 years, and by his second year in the league, he had led a team to the NBA finals averaging 27, 12, and four blocks a game en route to it. He then, like Joker, was out in the... Joker's not out in the wilderness, but didn't have a championship caliber team around him. And even though De Manze, he was the greatest defensive player alive, Akeem had a playoff series as a 25-year-old that they lost. in four games where they lost in four.

He averaged 38 and 17 as the greatest defensive player. And then he won back-to-back championships and back-to-back finals MVPs, averaging over the course of those two finals, 31 and 11, 11 rebounds, along with four blocks a game, going up against two other first ballot Hall of Fame, centers, Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson along the way, and not shutting those guys down,

but winning those matchups. So, as great as Joker is, if you want to elbow some of those guys out of the top 12, much less the top 10, you're going to have the opportunities. Two, three more deep runs. Or one more, one more ring, multiple more deep runs

and we can start you know having those conversations is what I think is the fairest way to look at it all right go ahead de Mose Poppy Dreams asked do you think a team will ever three Pete in the NBA again

ever's a very long time and so my answer to that is is probably but I also think it is not de Monzae coincidental, but that as time has gone on and the talent level's gotten higher and the league has added more teams,

that the ceiling of championships one can win keeps lowering. So here's what I mean. Bill Russell, the player of the early days of the NBA, I mean post-Mikin, but of, integrated NBA won 11 championships. Call him the player of the late 50s, early 60s. Right? His teammate, John Havlicek, who was on his team for some of those championships and then played into the 70s.

He set the new bar, which is lower, the 70s era player for championships at 8. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who played in the 70s into the 80s, set the bar the ceiling of championships for that era at 6. Michael Jordan, who played in the 80s into the 90s, met that bar at 6. Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan, who started their career in the 90s and then played into the 2000s, set the bar of championships at five. And LeBron James and Steph Curry, who played in the 2000s into the 2010s and 20s,

have set the bar at championships at four. So you, like the defining guys, it keeps going lower. Yeah. And it's also one of the reasons why I don't find the Jordan Six versus LeBron's four to be as persuasive as other. I've never heard you bring out that argument when defending that case. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You know, so Magic who played in the 80s into the 90s has five.

Like the maximum realistic championships that can be one number seems to keep decreasing. And now what we're seeing, DeMonsei, is the 2020s guys, none of them have got. in their second yet. The 2010s into the 2020s guys, they're all sitting on one. Yeah. And now obviously, some of them are going to get two. Some of them may even get three, but are we going to see a three peat? Right. Three peat makes even harder, right? But so it's just the, what is realistic as far as number of championships seems to be

decreasing rather than increasing. And a three-peat, which, I mean, the Celtics had an eight-peat. The Bulls had back-to-back three-peats. The Pistons were a game away from having a three-peat, but it was on the front end. They lost a game seven of the finals and then won back-to-back championships. The Lakers had a three-peat. The reason I'm not going to dismiss it is we might be two and a half months from, the thunder being two-thirds of the way there.

But, yeah, it's not just gets harder in this sport in particular. Speaking of OECC, you know how with NBA, the champions, it seems like the next year after you win, just like a slump. OKC is kind of beating that, huh, with them winning a championship last year, and they've been pretty dominant this year. Well, I mean, listen, they've been dominant, but we felt that way about Boston at this point last year and Denver at this point the year before.

Not as dominant in the regular season. Like, we'll see. The defending champs keep getting popped in round two. Now, OK, see, we would think is going to avoid that. But everyone thought Denver was going to avoid it. Nobody thought Minnesota was going to beat them. And no one, like most people thought the Celtics were going to avoid that. People didn't think that the Knicks were going to beat them.

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All right, DeManzai, let's go to some NFL talk. Jal Will asks, if Andy Reid was to retire, would you rather have a young new coach or an experienced veteran coach from a homes and company? Listen, I've been on the record about this for a while. If Andy Reed retires, I want Kyle Shanahan. Yeah. That's the coach I want. Pretty easy answer. And there's, you know, you throw in there Sean McVeigh, too.

Yeah. You think that would even be possible? Well, I don't know. I mean, I do wonder like. Like Shannon is like, oh, like I get the chance to actually work with a great quarterback instead of having. Yeah, if he's, right, if he's never won yet. and for if McVeigh, if Stafford retires and they're kind of out in the wilderness a bit, like, but no, I don't want a first time head coach for the end of Mahomes Prime.

Yeah. Is the, you know, the aunt. But I, so, and it becomes, depending on when Andy retires, it becomes one of the greatest jobs ever available in the NFL. Yeah. So that's what I want. All right, next. Dirk and his ass, what do the chiefs need to accomplish in 2026? to officially say the dynasty did not end in 2025 and it's still ongoing.

Make it back to the AFC championship game. If you make seven straight AFC championship games and then have every year of my home's career, you make it. Make five Super Bowls, win three, seven straight AFC championship games. And then you have one disaster year that I guess like silver lining. of the disaster year is they still have never lost in the playoffs prior to the AFC title game. But if you go disaster year followed by early playoff defeat, then it feels like we're on to a new era.

And that's why I've split up the Patriots Dynasty into two different ones. Because 08, Brady gets hurt, they miss the playoffs, 09 and 10, they get popped in early in the playoffs. you know, that to me was pretty clear. And then 11 to 18 was the next iteration of it. Now, if you're of the belief the Patriots dynasty was 01 to 18, then the Patriots, the Chiefs could go three years in a row without winning a playoff game. And it's still going as long as Reed and Mahomes are still there if they win a Super Bowl.

It's not how I view it. All right, next. Rigallo asked, do you think Caleb Williams can dethrone Patrick Rahomes as the most physically talented quarterback in the league, especially considering age and the fact that Patrick is coming off in ACO. Yeah, I think you can. I think now most physically talented is very different than best. Daniel asks isn't Josh. Josh is the most physically imposing.

So like, but this is, you know, it depends on how you look at it or whatever. They're all very different. It's the three strongest arms in the league. Josh, Caleb, and Patrick. Three guys who can hurt you with their legs, but very differently. Caleb and Patrick have the most creative, you know, kind of arm angle stuff. Patrick's the most accurate. Josh is, in my opinion, the most devastating runner.

Caleb at this point's the most creative. But, yeah, I think that, but so much of what makes Patrick great is all the stuff does pretty snap where he's just so far and away better than any other quarterback in the league at diagnosing stuff at setting uh uh protections all that stuff um all right next uh jacob asked nick who do you think are the next three quarterbacks to win their first super bowls uh so exclude mahomes hurts stafford darnel etc etc yeah so the next new super bowl champions my money would be on Josh what are you shaking your head about

oh no no no Daniel got in my ear and he's like Lamar and I was just like no I want to hear what he says yeah I don't think Burroughs going to win one in Cincinnati and you know Hertz is obviously already won one

no I would be I think it would be disrespectful to Lamar to say Trevor before Lamar. But I don't know that my money's on, that I necessarily think Lamar's going to win one. Josh is the easy number one pick. Easy.

For me, at least. Would you see a scenario and Dak getting one in the next couple of years? So I was, I mean, that's a scenario, yes, would he be one of my picks? I really do like Ben Johnson. I really like Caleb. I think Caleb's on my list. And then it's like a debate of like Lamar, Bo Nix because of how good that team was around him

and how good he was in the playoffs. Like I have to do it. I can't dismiss the results that we saw. Yeah. Purdy, because the Niners have been there, you know what? You've got to include that as at least a possibility. Drake May, you'd have to include as a real possibility.

But it wouldn't, I, I, the third one is hard. I will say Lamar, because he's so good in the regular season. And it was we talked about before, even if he's not great in the playoffs, they might be, you know, you can win anyway sometimes. That's how Peyton did it this first time. But I would be very surprised if the next first time Super Bowl champion quarterback is not Josh. Now, like, listen, I think Stafford's got the best, I think the Rams are the best team this year. So like, you know, Stafford one another.

The Seahawks are going to be right there. The Eagles think they're going to be right back in it. I believe I know others disagree. The chiefs are going to be right back in. All those guys have already won one. And I don't think Herbert and the Chargers have a Super Bowl caliber team, and we've never seen him play well in the playoffs. I'd love to be able to say Trevor,

but that would just, that's just what I want. I don't really have proof of concept that they're ready for that. All right, let's add, you know, let me do this Boost Mobile read. Then we have a very interesting question. Boost Mobile's proving you don't have to overpigant. for great wireless, unlock the savings with the $20 a month forever and limited plans, permanent price with no contracts and no price hikes. You can keep your phone and your number, but you save up to $600 a year compared to the major carriers. Stop overpaying and switch to a fair

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what is an increasingly scary and confusing world. And, you know, I've told this story before, but I'll tell it quickly again, about doing radio in Kansas City and having kind of like a moment of shame almost in that I wasn't, you know my dad's a firefighter my sister was like literally fighting for women's rights in cases that ended up going before the supreme court and my mom was doing very important work

for uh helping women in uh the business world like pro bono work essentially like helping people out and I'm they're just you know talking about who the chief should draft in the second round I was like what am I doing um and um my dad just flat out told me he was like you are helping the people who are doing those important jobs you're talking about have better days in you know giving them escapes giving you know yeah giving them moments of uh peace And so that's how I've always looked at it. And I also think, if I'm going to be a little extra weird or deep about it, in a geopolitical climate and domestically political climate,

where there are more and more arguments than ever before about what is reality, what is actual fact, What is fiction? What is truth? I think sports are really nice in that. We might argue a lot about sports, but we don't argue about no, actually, Michael Jordan didn't win six titles.

That's fake. No, actually, the Seahawks aren't the defending champions. The Pat's won that game. No, actually, UCLA, Michigan didn't win Monday. night. Like sports are one of the last places where we at least all agree on what happened. We can disagree about why it happened, should it have happened, all of it. But so much of the current world is we are disagreeing about what has occurred.

And sports, we're not, we don't do that. So I think that is, I think that is great. All right, scroll down a bit, DeMonte. Do J-Lo's question. J-Lo asks, would any of the first things first crew ever consider playing the NBA celebrity All-Star game? I would not. I am here to tell you guys, I do not understand why people play sports publicly or on television if they're not good at them. And once upon a time,

I, you know, I think, I think 24-year-old radio host Nick Wright in better shape who played basketball somewhat often could have gone out there and, you know, held my own against like other, I wasn't a celebrity. You had a quarter of three or something. Yeah, but not look ridiculous. Right. 41-year-old Nick Wright would look ridiculous. Now, KW is a good athlete and brew. used to be a good athlete and I think believes he still could be. Brew used to do work in these real NBA games against NBA guys.

Brew was a college basketball player and, you know, had a sick hook shot. But this is what I would say. If any or all of us were invited, I would counsel my. Yes, correct. That is exactly right. I would counsel my. wilds and brew I would counsel my crew

strongly I'm playing it in a man I would counsel them strongly let's not do this and and I yeah I would

I would love if at some point Demonset could play in one of those games that would be sick And I would love to coach one of those games. You know what I mean? Be one of those guys, but I ain't playing. You're not just going to, you're not going to catch me on video playing sports. It's just, there's just no way.

You would never, you would never hear at the end of it. It's the new meme. It's what they're putting under your comments under every video. Right. And I also feel like, I feel like, you know, Shams caught a bit of this. Yeah. Like the, it's just, it's just a no. win. All right, I got a run today. We will try to do a longer mailbag next week. A huge thanks to our

sponsored Hard Rock Bet and Boost Mobile. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Thank you to the volume and Blue Duck. Enjoy the Masters this weekend. Enjoy, I almost said, Happy Mother's Day. That's a month from now. What is this weekend is? Did you know De Manzee what Monday is? Do you know what it is? It's Earth Day, right? Okay, great. Oh, wait. Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. it's you and mom's anniversary. Right. And where will she be?

Oh, crap. Yeah, she's going to be out here. She's going to be with you. She's going to be with you and the baby. On the holiday anniversary. All right. Talk to you guys all on Tuesday. See you on TV.

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