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Episode Date: March 27, 2026

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.   Nick Wright predicts the over/under win totals for every team in the NFC. Nick breaks down why he believes Dak Prescott's Dallas Cowboys will reclaim the NF...C East from Jalen Hurts' Philadelphia Eagles, whether Caleb Williams' Chicago Bears are being disrespected after winning the NFC North in Ben Johnson's first season as head coach, and who wins a loaded NFC West featuring Matthew Stafford's LA Rams, Brock Purdy's San Francisco 49ers, and Sam Darnold's Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:23 And a reminder to all of you, if you would like, rate, subscribe, review the pod. it helps us out greatly. Demonse, it is our now NFC way too early. We are not being tied or held to these takes over on your show. And maybe major news could change because maybe one of these teams is going to trade for Miles Garrett. There was, the Browns did some interesting accounting in changing Garrett's contract in changing Garrett's contract in. a way that doesn't really do anything other than make him more tradable from a salary cap perspective that plus de monse who is the team that was like hey you know we should change
Starting point is 00:03:14 the rules and allow teams to trade first round picks up to five years away that team was right on the cleveland browns so if i can you know impinge a bit of fit on Wendy's trademark, why would they do that? Why would the Cleveland Browns one week say
Starting point is 00:03:41 team should be able to trade picks in the 2030 draft and the next week reworked Miles Garrett's deal just to make him more tradable? I don't know. How'd I do on the Wendy?
Starting point is 00:03:56 So, now, he would go for more draft capital than any non-quarterback ever. I think it would be three firsts for Miles Gary. I really do. And maybe that would be too, maybe that would be a bad deal. Even with his eight, like how old is Miles Garrett right now? I don't think as old as you think.
Starting point is 00:04:22 I think 30 on the nose. Once again, of course, I'm right again. 30 on the nose. He's just so dominant. Three first. Well, so here's the reason I said that. I feel like. Well, Russell Wilson went for that.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Oh, okay. Yeah. And Sean Watson went for that. Now, those were utter catastrophes. Yeah. But when you consider the fact that, you know, he's coming off his best season ever, and the team never has the lead. And then you add, and I say that because it's so hard to get sacks you don't on the lead.
Starting point is 00:05:05 And then you add to it if Max Crosby was worth a good first, the 14th pick plus another one, would Miles Garrett be worth three firsts, particularly if the one that you know you have, this year is not a great one. So, again, I don't think they would do it, but would New England trade the 30 first pick plus two more first? Dallas keep in mind, has two firsts this year plus the worst first of them in Green Bay next year. Green Bay gets the better of those two first round picks.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Wait, what? Hold on. No. I'm sorry. The Jets get the better of Green Bay and Dallas's first round pick for the Quentin Williams trade. So it's still, Dallas has the worst first of Green Bay and their own a year from now, but the Jets get the Jets get it, not Green Bay. So I just, so just something noteworthy that obviously a lot of things can change.
Starting point is 00:06:22 The draft changes, a lot of stuff change where A.J. Brown goes, assuming he does go, all that. could change. All right, so what are we doing here, De Manzay? We are back with another round of too high, too low or just right, this time with our NFC win totals. So, yes, let's get into these lines presented to our friends or present from our friends at our hard rock bet. First off, we've got the NFC East and the Dallas Cowboys are set at eight and a half wins. It's minus 135 on the over, plus 110 on the under. So a little juice on the whole NFC East, their divisional matchups are the AFC South and NFC West.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Not easy. AFC South, again, I think median difficulty. NFC West, very tough. Dallas's strength of schedule games, however, I think pretty unlucky. This is because they have the second place schedule to Monzae, which means they draw 10, Tampa instead of Carolina, Baltimore instead of Pittsburgh, and Green Bay instead of Chicago. Now, I think Chicago is better than Green Bay, but you could argue those are the three toughest teams in those divisions. They draw them all with a second place schedule rather than a first place schedule.
Starting point is 00:07:47 But I think this is too low. I think the Cowboys are, you know, are going to draft two defensive players. in the first round. I think their offense is excellent. Eight and a half, I thought Schottenheimer did a good job last year. And I don't think the rest of the division has a great team in it. And so we'll talk more about Philly in a minute.
Starting point is 00:08:17 And so I think this is too low. And Dallas right now is my preseason lean for, divisional winner. I think Dallas wins 11 games next year. Figuring themselves out it kind of here. I don't think there's any awful team and I don't
Starting point is 00:08:39 think there's any great team. I like Dallas in that spot. All right, next. The Giants are set at 7.5, minus 110 on the over and minus 110 on the under. Yeah, so they have again, still AFC South and NFC West, their strength of schedule games,
Starting point is 00:08:55 Cleveland and New Orleans along with every last place team that's like, wait, Detroit finished last, not Minnesota. You got to be kidding me. So Cleveland, New Orleans, though, that's good. You get a last place schedule. You go from the coaching issues they had to John Harbaugh. Hopefully Jackson Darts a little more in control. And Malik neighbors coming back from the injury.
Starting point is 00:09:25 all of that plus the top five draft pick, I think this win total is just right. I think the Giants are, if it were six and a half, I would say go over. Seven and a half, I think is just right. The fact that there's not juice on either side of it
Starting point is 00:09:43 means they are right down the middle. This is a seven or an eight win team, which would be an awesome year for the Giants. I know some people, they might be a trendy, worse to first pick DeMonse for some. I don't believe in the offensive infrastructure enough for that,
Starting point is 00:10:00 but I do like Harbaugh to bring a real organizational structure there. I think that's just right. Next. Fair. We got Philly. Their win totals at 10.5. Plus 105 on the over, minus 125 on the under. So a little juice to the under.
Starting point is 00:10:15 So they get the opposite of Dallas in that they got, you know, they have the first play strength of schedule, but it really seems easier than Dallas is. second place strength of schedule. Their strength of schedule games are Pittsburgh, Carolina, and Chicago. This is an under to me. I think Siriani enters the year on the hottest seat of just about any coach in the league this side of Todd Bowles.
Starting point is 00:10:43 I think because they're going to have to trade A.J. Brown, I think they will. After the draft, they're not going to get any benefit from that. year they're going to get future draft capital I think the aging and the some of the uncertainty on the offensive line which has been such a huge position of strength for them plus some of the players they lost defensively in free agency I think this is a you know bit of a we saw it throughout last year to a degree from Philly I think you know could they make the playoff sure could they win 10 games and maybe win the division. Maybe, but I think this is an under. I think they are more
Starting point is 00:11:29 likely to win nine games than they are to win 12 games. And so at 10 and a half, I'll go with the under. Next. A commander is set at seven and a half wins minus 110 on the over minus 110 on the under. Their strength of schedule games are Cincinnati, Atlanta and Minnesota. They of course play their own division plus the AFC South and NFC West. This is an under. I, okay. I don't think they, despite trying to address it this offseason, have the defensive personnel. I don't know that they're going to be able to protect Jaden. I, you know, my concerns about Jaden's ability to make it through a full season
Starting point is 00:12:09 are well-established, so I don't have talked about it more. But I think we're going to look back on the commander's run to the NFC title game as one of the more flukeish things of the last decade. that year remember they had so many down with a minute to go victories and a hail Mary and so now again maybe that applies some of that concern might apply to the bears when we get to them but i don't know they i trust their offensive coaching as much as i trust the bears i think my preseason prediction would be the commanders finished last in that division I think it's Dallas, Philly, Giants, Commanders, all kind of close.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Like 11 wins, 10 wins, 8 wins, 7 wins, something like that. But that's my lean there. So there's the NFC East, Cowboys over 8 and a half, Giants just right at 7.5, Eagles under 10 and a half, commanders under 7.5. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor. Demons, I already mentioned them, Hard Rock Bet, Florida's Sportsbook. If your bracket's already busted, you're not alone. But don't worry, you can still call the next big upset and turn your picks into payday on Hard Rock Bet. All tournament long, Hard Rock Bet is rolling out daily dance and boost, featuring a live profit boost and a parlay profit boost every single day.
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Starting point is 00:17:20 First off, we got the Bears at nine and a half wins. They are minus 105 on the over, minus 115 on the under. So they get this whole division gets, I think, the absolute best draw you can get as far as what division you play cross-conference and your own conference. They get the AFC East and the NFC South. Now, the Bears, because they won their division, their strength of schedule games, though, are Jacksonville, Philly, Seattle, so not easy. They are still, though, in my opinion, a little disrespected by this number because it's the third highest in their own division. It's lower than Detroit and Green Bay's number.
Starting point is 00:18:13 I think the Bears find a way to 10 wins. Caleb in year two with Ben Johnson, year three overall. I don't mind them losing out on DJ more. The left tackle getting injured in the playoffs is tough for them. The center retiring is tough for them. So those are things they're going to have to deal with. And the defense, you know, they spent some money on defense they needed to because the defense is a little too turnover reliant.
Starting point is 00:18:44 With that said, games against the Jets, the Dolphins, the Saints, Carolina. Atlanta, you know, is not an easy one. Plus, you know, two against Minnesota, I think they find their way to 10 wins. So I slightly right now this moment lean to the over. Next.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Same. Detroit Lions, 10.5. wins minus 125 on the over plus 105 on the under. So their strength of schedule games are Titans, Giants, Cardinals. So I don't, I'm going to say this is just right because I worry about their offensive line deteriorating. I worry about how they finished the year. I still worry about them having a consistent pass rush outside of Hutchinson. However, games next year against home games,
Starting point is 00:19:58 against New Orleans, the Jets, Tennessee, and the Giants, plus road games against Atlanta, Miami, Arizona. That last place finish is really doing them a lot of favors there. So I'll say it's just right. Next. Green Bay Packers set at 10.5 wins plus 100 on the over, minus 120 on the under. Slight under. Their strength of schedule games, in my opinion, are real tough.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Houston, Dallas, and the Rams. I also don't. We saw that what a different team they were without Micah. I don't know when Mike is going to be back. He will be back, obviously. But very different than Mahomes' ACL recovery, where he's a quarterback and had surgery the next year. This is a pass rusher that relies on,
Starting point is 00:20:57 I'm sorry, had surgery the next day. Micah's a past rusher that had surgery weeks later. I just don't know that I expect him to be out there week one. So a slight under for Greenbeck. Next. Vikings are set at 8.5, plus one 10 on the over, minus 1.35 on the under. Sorry, Paul. I'm going under.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Their strength of schedule games are indie Washington and San Francisco. This is really a fade the public play, even though there's juice on the under. Because people are way too high on Kyler Murray to the Vikings. It just bothers me how. And it's really weird that they also signed Carson Wentz. And it's like, so J.J. McCarthy's going to be third string. That's weird. But I'm going under there.
Starting point is 00:21:49 All right, let's go to the NFC South. And if he's NFC South, we got the Falcons at seven and a half wins, plus 105 on the over, minus 125 on the under. Are you picking the division futures? Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. just real quick. For the NFC, I would lean,
Starting point is 00:22:09 lean getting plus 325. I think it's a coin flip, Detroit and Chicago for the division. And so the fact that I'm getting twice double the odds on Chicago as I would on Detroit, I'll take Chicago. So at least right now.
Starting point is 00:22:26 All right, NFC South. They draw the AFC North and NFC North. Atlanta's third place strength schedule games are Washington plus Kansas City and San Francisco. Bit of a bummer that that's your third place strength of schedule draw there. I will go with the under for the Falcons. I don't think to a tongue of Iloa all of a sudden is going to come save the day for
Starting point is 00:22:55 Kevin Stefansky and the Falcons and I don't want to spend much more time on it. This is wild what we're about to see here. So we got the Saints at 7 and a half. No, you skipped one. Oh, oh, my back. Carolina Panthers. Because I thought that was crazy. Six and a half wins, minus 150 on the over, plus 125 on the under.
Starting point is 00:23:16 Listen, I understand that their strength of schedule games are brutal. Denver, Seattle, and Philly. But six and a half wins for a defending division champ that is returning its quarterback and coach is a slap in the face. I mean, they went to toe with the Rams. I don't love it, but I will go with the over there. I mean, six and now there's a lot of juice on it. Six and a half wins is insulting for a defending division champion.
Starting point is 00:23:50 All right, next. You got the Saints at seven and a half wins, minus 120 on the over, minus 105 on the under. So last play schedule for the Saints doing a lot of work here. their strength of schedule games, in addition to playing the AFC and NFC North, Raiders, Cardinals, giants. With that said,
Starting point is 00:24:11 Raiders spent a lot of money. The Giants we just said, we thought could be mediocre. I think the Saints are bad. Tyler Shuck, you know, I thought played well last year to his credit. But they're in the bit in the midst of Terrant pulling themselves out of the abyss.
Starting point is 00:24:29 I don't think they get to eight wins. I will go under in New Orleans. And last one. All right, we got Tampa at eight and a half wins, minus 115 on the over, minus 105 on the under. Strength of schedule games, both L.A. teams,
Starting point is 00:24:45 Chargers and Rams plus Dallas, can't quit Baker. I think they're going to win the division. I like them at plus 160 to win the division. I like Todd Bowles knows this, you know, it's go time in Atlanta for him. Baker also knows he ended last year disastrously. And Emeka Buka knows
Starting point is 00:25:04 his finally games were mortifying. No Mike Evans. So Abuka's role should enhance. I like their running game. Defense needs to be better. I think Tampa bounces back. The team I picked to go to the Super Bowl last year that then fell apart entirely. I will go with Tampa for the over. Before we get to the NFC West,
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Starting point is 00:26:02 visit boost mobile.com. All right, last division. It's the lowest win total. We got the Cardinals at four and a half wins plus 110 on the over and minus 135 on the under. All right. This is a bad job by me. Tied with the dolphins.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Tried with the dolphins for the lowest. Okay, that's what I thought. Their quarterback depth chart right now reads Jacoby Brissette, Gardner, Menshoe, Keaton Slovis, which says to me, they are ripe to be a team that takes a quarterback in the second or third round that has no business starting his rookie year, and they start him. This whole division gets the AFC West, which is brutal. NFC East, not so bad.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Their strength of schedule games are Jets, Lions, and New Orleans. I think Arizona's got the makings of the worst team in their conference. I hate going under a win total that low, but I feel like they've got 0 and 6 in the division written. So two against the Rams, two against the Niners, two against Seattle, plus Denver and Philly at home, Dallas, KC, the Chargers on the road. Their easiest games are Raiders, jets. Oh, wait. Detroit was one of their strength of schedule games.
Starting point is 00:27:29 I missed that. So that's a home game. So they're easy. It's Jets, Raiders, giant saints, I guess. Yeah. They could end up winning like one game this year. I mean, that's brutal. That's a brutal spot.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Next. Got the Rams at 10.5 wins, minus 160 on the over, plus 130 on the under. If Stafford's healthy, their position to be the best team. team in the league. And I love the, you know, they had one weakness last year, secondary. They took the Chiefs two best corners in McDuffie and Jalen Watson. Their strength of schedule games are Bill's Green Bay in Tampa, so not easy, but it still feels like a 13. Well, I do, but I have not read enough about that story. I've only really, to be totally honest, just seen the tweets and one picture.
Starting point is 00:28:27 It's not great. And I do wonder, I wonder if that's just enough for the Rams to remember we said he's going to get more than JSN. Yeah. But he hasn't signed anything yet. Right. So I wonder what impact that has there. Maybe they can compromise with them a little bit on the contract. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:45 But I still think there are a 13 win team. That's an over. Next. Next we've got the 49ers. They're at 10 and a half wins plus 125 on the over. minus 150 on the under. Their strength of schedule games are Miami, Minnesota, and Atlanta, so pretty nice. I'm going to say that's just right.
Starting point is 00:29:05 I think that that is respect for them. They're in a brutal division, but I think that win total is just right. So I'd stay away from it. Next. Seahawks at 10.5 wins, minus 135 on the over and plus 110 on the under. Their strength of schedule games are New England, Chicago, Carolina, not blue. brutal for a first place team. I actually think that's an over.
Starting point is 00:29:31 I got two teams in that division with big win totals that I would go over on Seattle and the Rams and the Niners just right. I think Seattle can win 11 games. I don't think they go 14, 13 wins again, but I think they can win 11. However, for the division, I like the Rams. The Rams are the slight division favorite. I think the Rams are a 13-win team chip on their shoulder, love their off-season.
Starting point is 00:29:56 All right, so a very quick recap, if we can. Our overs are, we are going over Dallas, eight and a half, over Chicago, nine and a half, over Carolina, six and a half, over Tampa, eight and a half, over the Rams, ten and a half,
Starting point is 00:30:20 over Seattle, ten and a half. Our unders were under, Philly 10 and a half, under Washington, 7 and a half, under Green Bay 10 and a half, under Minnesota 8 and a half, under Atlanta, 7 and a half, under the Saints, 7 and a half, under the Cardinals 4.5, and our just rights were just right on the Giants 7 and a half, Detroit 10 and a half, I don't think any there, and the Niners 10 and a half. I think that covers all of it.
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