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Episode Date: December 12, 2025

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t-shirt, which just looks outstanding. You look great. You look better rested than I would have expected. So it seems like... Well, last night was a good one. Last night was a good week. Got all the big cries out at like 8, 9 p.m. So, okay. Like 2, 3 in the morning, we were good.

Okay, awesome. I'm glad you're getting some rest, getting acclimated. If people are like big cries, what do you guys talking about? DeManzi's going through a really hard time and he's been emotional lately. No, DeManzi's got one-month-old at home. And so he's dealing with... with that. Let's get right to it. Straight to voicemail brought to you by Boost Mobile. Mike Evans is back. I'm going to go ahead and say he's not going to average 215 yards a game

over the final four. So the thousand yard streak is over. Philip Rivers is returning. We will cover that in the gambling show. And listen, the producers are saying are Nick and Pablo beefing again. Listen, Nick and Pablo were never beefing. I have also never been shy or ambivalent

about the fact that maybe there is something psychologically wrong with me but I have a list and it's through no fault of their own of what I consider to be media rivals which is anyone in my field or my

field adjacent who is my age or younger and I have said many a time that I must vanquish them. And after yesterday, one less person to vanquish. Let's get to the Chiefs, Devonze. Go ahead. So your Chiefs are almost facing elimination. They are at a rough spot.

This is a must win against the Chargers this weekend. They are plus 500 to make the playoffs. You said with this game, you would believe in them again. You also had a crazy take about this being a must win for the Chargers on your show. Did you care to explain both of those? Okay, sure. So listen, all plus 500 doesn't seem like as long of a shot as it feels. Like plus 500, it feels like the way and what I said about what I would believe in is I understand it is irrational, so to speak.

But what is definitively true is if I know myself and if the chiefs win this weekend within the Titans on deck with the possibility of a Chargers collapse, I will be just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in Godfather 3 style. Like that, that is true. It's also noteworthy to me that this line is up to, I think, five and a half. The chiefs that haven't played a good 60-minute four-quarter football game in a month and a half are a five-and-a-half point favorite over the nine and four Los Angeles Chargers. And so I will get more to the Chief's side in the state. second but I do want to explain what I was saying yesterday about this being a must win for the Chargers and I suppose that is a matter of perspective but the per if

your perspective is that the Chargers in an aFC that will likely never again be this wide open in a playoff field where Herbert walks into it likely as essentially the second most experienced quarterback to Josh Allen in the AFC. Well, Aaron Rogers would be the most experienced, but I almost feel like at this point, like that circle has come all the way around to where his experience works against him because he's so damn old.

And so let me put it like this. This is maybe the better way to put it. In this playoff field, Herbert will be one of only three quarterbacks that are in the prime of their careers, with it being Josh, him, and the Prince. Most people believe he's better than the Prince. He's obviously older, more experienced than the young guys. So in that regard, that really works in their favor. They are coming on, they are, while still dealing with injuries,

getting healthier. They just got their running back back. They're Omari and Hampton, their first round pick. When Jim Harbaugh got there, he talked about winning multiple Super Bowls, right? He talked about this being a championship operation. And so if you are looking at the chargers from through the prism of, can they for the first time since Philip Rivers was there? go on a real playoff run, can they for the first time since the mid-1994 potentially make a Super Bowl? Then in order for you to believe they have that gear, they absolutely must go into Arrowhead and end the Chief's season.

This Chief's team is playing its worst football, is wildly banged up. And in fact, I do want to, I meant to check this before. I want to see if they've updated it real quick. Um, yes, they have. So the Chief's injury report, Tray Smith back, but Joanne Taylor still has not practiced. So much like the Chargers, the Chiefs, the Chiefs, Chiefs are going to be going, potentially going into this game without either of their starting tackles or their top backup tackle in Wanya Morris.

So, and the Chargers have the opportunity to end the Chiefs officially. Put them out. And if they don't, then I will feel like I know one thing. and start to be concerned on the Chargers' behalf of another thing. The thing I will feel like I know is this team doesn't have when three straight playoff games get to the Super Bowl gear. Because I don't think they, there are parts of that Eagles game that they should feel great about,

and then there are parts of that Eagles game where they should feel very, very fortunate that Jalen Hertz gave it away at the very end. So I will feel like I know they don't have a Super Bowl gear. And the thing that I would be concerned about DeMonse if they lose this game is that they might be playing in week 18 with the playoffs on the line. so that is the wrinkle here

the wrinkle here is and there's a lot of ifs here this is why it's plus 500 but if we assume the cults are not going to go well I guess for the Chargers case this doesn't really the cults doesn't really matter

but I'm going to include them anyway aren't going to go three and one or better down the stretch, than that final AFC playoff spot likely comes down to Chiefs Chargers. Again, if the Chiefs win this weekend. And if they do, and then we assume Kansas City

is going to beat Tennessee the following week, then it can start to get a little tight for the Chargers. because after the Chiefs game, they have three straight brutal opponents. They are at the Cowboys, home for the Texans, and then this is the game that I'm focused on, at Denver, in a game that might, for the Broncos, be, win this game and you are the one seed, Denver. and the Chargers will be in a position of if they lose to the Chiefs,

that if, again, I said there were going to be a lot of Ips, they don't win both of Cowboys Texans. If they lose just one of those games, then Week 18 in Denver could be win and you go to the playoffs, lose, and the Chiefs take your playoff spot. Again, that is assuming the Chiefs beat the Titans and Raiders, and they win a home game against Denver in Week 17. That'll be very difficult.

So that's the, for a team that I think has, as far as its organizational DNA, has a lot of getting tight in big spots. and whose quarterback in the three biggest, the two playoff games and the one other, if you remember, when and you're in week 18 game that he's played in, has not played anything close to his best ball. I'd be a little nervous about it. Go ahead. Yeah, I was about saying I felt like the last time he was in that spot, he threw like four picks. Well, no, the playoff game, the playoff game was four picks.

Yeah, okay. Last year. So the three, there's been one win in your in and two playoff games. The win in your in was against the Raiders in Week 18, where he had an 80 passer rating, completed 53% of his passes. They lost in overtime, and the Raiders with their interim head coach went to the playoffs. the playoff games were a 27 point lead late in the first half and then did absolutely nothing the entire second half

and they lost by a point to the Prince and then last year a one touchdown four interception 40 passer rating playoff game where he completed 44% of his passes so the chart flip side is Chargers win this weekend and it's all good. You essentially lock up a playoff spot. You definitionally knock the chiefs out of the postseason,

and it's good. And so that's why this is such a huge game for the Chargers. And for Kansas City, we are just going to find out if the three-time defending AFC champs have any fight left in them. Or if the last three years in large, you know, bigger the last seven years have taken a toll and, you know, this is it for the year. It'll be a sad way to go out if that's how they go out. But given how they've played the last month, I'm not going to sit here and project this confidence that there's no chance they go out that way.

Is that game going to have a roof on it? Is they going to be in a dome? Or is... Which game? When they play the chargers. No, it's in Camp City. Oh, yeah. All right.

No, no, no. I was curious about, I mean, if it was in a dome, I'm definitely taking the Chiefs, but it's not a dome, so I don't know. Oh, no, no, no. So the Chiefs have two home games left. The Chargers and the Broncos, two very tough games, and then two road games left, the Titans and the Raiders, the two worst teams in football. So the benefit is your home games are, your tough games are at home, but they just had a home game against the Texans that they weren't able to figure out a way to win on. So after being a great home team all year, that has been fractured a bit. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet.

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First off, your guy, Baker Mayfield, has kind of fallen off a cliff since a few weeks ago. They are asking if Jalen Hurts should be benched after winning a Super Bowl and Lamar Jackson is just not Lamar. I'm praying for you, Lamar. What's your level of concern for each quarterback first off and who do you expect a bounce back, a bounce back first from? Listen, I think Baker will bounce back, but this has been a real. grisly stretch for Baker, but I think Baker, that I don't know if there's a positive or negative, but I'm going to at least in my mind make it a positive. With Baker, it's very simple.

He's just not playing well. And he's had these little peaks and valleys in his career. Like, now, he is dealing with a left shoulder injury, and so that does make you a little concern because that can linger, and it's an injury he's dealt with before. but I think Baker will bounce back at least enough to where they stabilize, they win that division, and Baker's been a gamer in the playoffs his whole career. So Baker is the one I'm least concerned about. Okay.

Hurt's. I'm not so much concerned about him, DeMonte, as I am just accepting of what I feel like are some, his pretty, obvious limitations, which again, limitations doesn't mean you're bad. And having limitations does not mean that you're not a good quarterback or obviously the guy, the ratings is not good at something though. There's a limitation. Right. It means there are, it means you are not a whole complete.

Complete. Yeah. Well, you're not excellent at everything. Let me put it as kindly as I can. And I think what we're seeing and what we saw in 4K Monday night was Jalen Hertz limitations as a hit every quadrant of the field, drop back passer are glaring. And when he is in the situation he's in now where it's like,

oh, the offensive line went forward. from maybe the best in the league to mediocre. The running game went from the best in the league to mediocre. And we are going to need the quarterback to go out there and make plays. If Jalen is not willing to activate the quarterback-driven runs and scrambles more, then that Eagles offense is going to be very, very laborious. Everything is going to be hard. And so that is to me just a reality that is not going to change.

He's not going to get any taller. He's not going to all of a sudden become a pinpoint intermediate over the middle of the field passer. And you've got to find ways to scheme and coach and work around that. But I am really concerned about Philadelphia, and I am not writing in pen that they are winning that division. Because, again, there are some ifs here, I understand, but if you believe that the Cowboys are going to beat the Vikings this weekend, I do, beat the Chargers in Dallas next weekend.

They certainly could. And then win at the commanders. And then if you believe that the Eagles, let's just give them the next two wins, that they're going to win against the Raiders and win against the commanders, but then believe they are going to lose to the Buffalo Bills. So if the Cowboys go 3 and O and the Eagles go 2 and 1 with a loss in Buffalo,

then the Eagles will enter week 18 facing the situation of if Dallas beats the Giants and those games would be played simultaneously. The Eagles win the division by beating the commanders and their season is over by losing that game. and this Eagles team that has been hanging by a thread emotionally throughout the year, I would be very nervous about that becoming reality. And so it doesn't take some massive swoon for them to be facing a win-in-you're-in, losing-your-out week 18 game.

It's a somewhat, to me, likely scenario. So I'd be worried about that. With all that said to Monzae, I am most worried about what's going on in Baltimore. So Lamar didn't practice again yesterday. So that's now five straight weeks he's missed at least one day of practice. It was not, he was not listed as missing practice with an injury. It was listed as rest.

And Harbaugh was a lot. And Harbaugh was asked about it and said, listen, basically, if the player, you got to trust the player, and if a player says he needs it, then we're giving him the day. I think it is also very fair to say that this, I don't even know if I want to call it a strategy, but this trend of Lamar missing one of the practices in the week leading up to a game has not let, has shown. it sure appears to impact his play. He is in the midst of the worst stretch of football he's ever played. And this is just a blind theory, DeMonze. But I think Lamar is over Harvall. And I think Lamar is resigned to a degree, to the fifth,

of the season, and I think that Lamar is ready for the next chapter in Baltimore. And so I don't think we're all of a sudden about to see great Lamar. I think he'll be better than he's been the last month. But I don't think, I think Lamar is ready for the Harbaugh Todd Monkin mini era and the long Harbaugh era to be over. and I think the fact that John Harbaugh cannot seem to get a handle on the health and practice status of his star quarterback is an ominous, ominous sign. So the... I'm surprised you said it's hard. Like some of the stuff that I see going on with LeBron or LeBron.

Lamar, it doesn't really seem like. a hardball problem. It kind of seems like a Lamar problem, but you're saying that you might be despondent to him. And it's just like, yeah, I mean, I just,

I agree with, I think the biggest problem right now for Baltimore is their star quarterback's having the worst stretch of his career. But I, it just feels to me like it's more than that. Right now at play here. Do you, do you have a Baltimore Super Bowl take?

Well, that, well, it can feel like it kind of feeds into the, sag here. It kind of feeds into the betting show later. I think it would, you know, it would, it would require me to reveal one of my legs.

Oh, okay. So we tease that. I think, yeah, yeah, exactly. I'll save it for the next show. Okay. Because it will make more sense. Okay. Here is the glass one-tenth full

version of the Ravens. Moving forward. They're going to win just enough to win that terrible division. They win the final game against Pittsburgh, and they get in at 9 and 8 or something. And a Ravens team that has very consistently been this regular season juggernaut and then playoff underachiever reverses it this year, where they are a regular season underachiever, go into the playoffs with no expectation,

with people not believing in them, and that is why they end up going on a run. Do I believe that is likely? Absolutely not. Do I even know if that is possible? Not really. But that would be, if I were a Ravens fan,

that's what I would be trying to convince myself is going to happen. All right, let's talk Joe Burrow. So we all know Joe Burroughs had it pretty rough over there in Cincinnati. He had a press conference yesterday, and here's what he had to say. You know, if I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it. You know, I've been through a lot, and if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for? Have the Bengals broken Joe Burrow?

You really don't like when, your franchise quarterback who's not yet turned 30 says if I want to keep doing this. That is, if I'm a Bengal fan, that's a five-alarm fire. And it is a shocking, it's a shocking enough quote. I thought about leading the show with it. But I feel like you guys, when the chiefs are down, want to hear my chiefs pain and cope. So I led with the chiefs. But Joe Burrow, who still has, what does he have?

Four years left on his massive deal? Yeah. Four years left on his five-year, $275 million contract. Him talking about if I want to keep doing this, I would be lying if I did not say it, at least briefly, gave me Andrew Luck vibes of, oh man. Has this guy just, his body's been through so much. He was so close, so early,

and now the team seems to be getting, further away, that he's like, I don't, I'm not enjoying this. And then also seeing his predecessors continuously, you know, make it to the postseason and battle it out and he's had to sit out a couple of them. Probably takes a toll on the brain. Three playoffs in a row. And I also think there is the emotional toll of, man, my second year in the league, I have the ball in my hands in the Super Bowl

with a chance to go win it after beating Mahomes. My third year in the league, I have the ball in my hands in Arrowhead with a chance to go back to the Super Bowl, tie game, and really vault myself above Patrick. Been in the league three years, made back-to-back Super Bowls. You have it. You've lost to me. and those two moments, those two drives,

where his blocking broke down, by the way, on both. He got hit on the final pass of both seasons. In the Chiefs game, he didn't even, it wasn't even a final pass. Chris Jones just sacked him. The Rams game, Aaron Donald gets right to him. But he's, he takes the field in year two in the Super Bowl saying, touchdown, I'm a champion forever. He takes the field, year three, AFC championship game, field goal.

I'm back in the Super Bowl, and I kind of own this Mahomes rivalry. And now we're at the end of year six, and that was his last playoff touch. That's tough. That's like a really, and then you add to it all of the physical, real, weird injuries he's dealt with turf toe and the wrist thing, and dealing with the different franchise holdouts and contract disputes every year. And it's just a tragic organization. Well, yes. And it is why some people said, you know, do an Elway or an Eli and don't go there.

And so, you know, people asking what would a Joe Burrow trade look like? I mean, as I did on TV yesterday, and I'll do on radio again, or on podcast today, to quote Mike Meltzer, being in a position where you have to trade Prime Joe Burrow is a fold the franchise moment. There is no getting around it. But what would a Joe Burrow trade look like? three first and three second rounders. You're only allowed to trade three picks in the league. Daniel says Miles Garrett and the Browns picks. They would never, listen, I don't think they would trade Joe Burrow,

but if they were to, they certainly wouldn't do it in the division, which is a bit of a shame because the Browns have all the picks. another team that has, you know, the team that could trade you for first round picks other than the Browns is the Rams because they have two picks in this upcoming draft. But, and that would be a really interesting one if the Rams did bleep them picks again, but that would only make sense if Stafford were retiring after this year. You know what I mean? Like they wouldn't, they, you couldn't roster Stafford and Burr.

to be like, hey, Burrow's going to sit a year and then take over so the timing of that wouldn't work. But this is, if I'm a Bengals fan,

I am terrified of that press conference, terrified of it. And we've seen guys walk away. We haven't. The only, you're way too young to remember this,

DeMonte, but the only, and he wasn't quite a star at this point in his career. But he, so hold, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna tell this story

in a different way. Once upon a time in, wow, I didn't even think about this. Great job, Nick, for putting this together in real time.

Once upon a time, there was a number one overall pick quarterback who, after seven, eight years in the league with some he was not Joe Burroughs level.

Don't get me wrong. But one year he led the league in touchdown passes, finished top five in MVP voting. It was actually his second year, probably his high watermark. Went to the playoffs a couple times, had

disappointing postseason defeats and one of the postseason suffered a catastrophic injury right when the first playoff game started essentially. That player, right after he turned 30, woke up one morning and said, I'm either retiring or you're trading me, but I am not taking another snap for this franchise. And that number one pick quarterback's name was Carson Palmer and Demandze. I'll give you one guess. What franchise do you think he played for?

The Chiefs? Oh, man, you blew that. That's the worst job you've done in a long time. Carson Palmer? No, who did Carson Palmer play for? The Bengals. I'm talking about Joe Burrow and the dysfunctional Bengals. And I gave this whole story.

So I'm going to let you have another try. No, it's the Bengals. So what team, the Bengals, good job. That was, that was, I was really trying to set, I, I know this happened literally when you were a top, the small child, but I thought I gave you enough context. Yeah, no, the nature of it. Yeah, 100%. The, uh, it was the Bengals. And so the only other guy, like, and I'm, Joe has not demanded a trade.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he has, but. Sounds like he's closer to demanding a trade than not demanding a. a trade at some point. Or walking away. Yeah. So I, tough spot, man. Are you thinking about upgrading to the

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Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeterside. help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

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and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real.

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And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinchin win. I mean, she went down. three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now.

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So last night, your Lakers got knocked out of the NBA Cup by a wimbyless spurs. This is coming right after Rich Paul said that the Lakers aren't even a Western Conference finals team. Oh, what? How should Lakers fans feel like right now? First of all, I haven't listened to the pod yet. but I'm being told Rich was just firing off takes, including advocating for, I think Lamar to be traded, advocating for Mahomes to be traded to the Cowboys, and then throwing in that, yeah, the Lakers don't have enough.

And here's the thing. about what Rich said and last night's game, because they're kind of tied together. First of all, it needs to be noted. People are talking about what Rich said, as if Rich has one client, LeBron James. It's like, wow, LeBron's agent says the Lakers don't have enough.

Rich has 50 clients all over the league. LeBron is obviously the most prominent, obviously the most noteworthy, and LeBron and Rich founded that agency together, but it is one could argue that, you know, Rich Anthony Davis, not one could argue, he is, Anthony Davis is a client, Tyrese Max, he's a client, like Rich has clients all over the place, right? And if he's going to do this pod, he's always going to be given takes about teams that, you know, his clients are on. It's why this is, going to be so fascinating to see and I really like Max Kellerman a lot and so I think it'll you know good for them on that venture and good for them for making waves with the first episode

furthermore I understand people might not like hearing it or might not like who the messenger was but does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right? now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team. Now, maybe that's more about that no one is because the Oklahoma City Thunder exists, who by the way, won their NBA Cup game last night by 50. And the biggest, to me, the most disappointing part of the Lakers losing that game was, I would have liked to see how the Lakers stack up against a fully healthy Thunder team in as meaningful of a regular season game as you're going to get the NBA Cup semifinals.

But instead, they lost to a wimbyless spurs, which speaks additionally to, I think, Rich's overall point, which again, I disagree that the Lakers are not Western Conference Finals, I do think if they got the right draw and if they're healthy, they could make the conference finals if they're on the opposite side of the bracket of the thunder, which means they're the two or the three seed. But when you see the Spurs are now have the same record as the Lakers at 17 and 7, and Wimby hasn't played in nearly a month, you do start to be, get concerned about, well, how, even if you set Oklahoma City aside,

where do the Lakers stack up in the West? Like, Denver is outstanding. Houston, unbelievably, has the best offense in the league. And the Spurs are, have won seven of ten. and their young guards are playing out of their mind, and Wimby at some point is coming back. So people can dislike what Rich said, because of who the messenger is,

but I don't think the message is totally incorrect. Now, evidently Wimby could return this weekend, which maybe gives us a chat, Wimby game in the NBA Cup semifinals, which would be sick. But I would imagine when Wimby comes back, he's going to be on a minute's restriction, and we're going to be very

cautious with him. Let's talk a little more NBA Cup Demonsei real quick. So the Knicks and the Magic are coming out to east, and the Thunder and the Spurs coming out to west, like you just discussed, and they just did win that came by nearly 50, and they're minus 250 to win the whole thing.

If they steamroll the tournaments of the league pack it up and just come again next year. Listen, the thunder in their current form right now look head and shoulders better than absolutely everyone. And it's not close. It's very hard to repeat. No one's done it since the Katie, Steph, Clay, Draymond Warriors, and no one's come close to doing it since then. Nobody's made the finals to defend their title, and I don't think anyone's made the conference finals the year. they were defending their title since the Katie Steff Warriors.

But it feels like it would take an act of God for this Oklahoma City team to not make the conference finals. And it would take a legendary, legendary. Nikola Yokic or Lukadanschich or and this is where you worry about the Rockets a bit

because they don't have one of those super villain guys that can just put a team on his back over the course of an entire one round against a super team I don't want there to be no drama or suspense or stakes

to this NBA season. But right now, Oklahoma City looks like one of the greatest teams ever. There is no way around that. And I told you guys a month ago that getting them at 16 to 1 to break the Warriors wins record, I liked that bet. And now God only knows what it is. It's probably like 5 to 1. And at that time, you could still get plus like $3.50 on them hitting 70 wins. At this point, I'd be shocked if they don't win 70. Because their depth makes them, they basically can deal with an injury to anyone on the roster other than Shea and be totally fine.

They started this season without J-Dub. They've had different guys out and none of it matters. I'd love to see Wemby back and see what Wimby can do against them in the NBA Cup. but I think that'll really be a fair test of it because it would be Wimby's first game back. All right, let's talk a little more football before we move on. New England upset Buffalo back in October

and now Vegas doesn't know who should be favored in this next matchup. It's flip-flop back and forth. Who do you think should be favored in this Bill's New England game? Listen, I think the, and we'll talk about this more in the pick show, I think the bills are going to win, and part of that's because I think that the bills

like the the bills can't let the Patriots this quickly elbow them off their corner like the Patriots cannot and I understand this isn't like deep analysis but it is just how I feel the bills cannot allow the Patriots to become

the true class of the AFCE before the bills make a Super Bowl with Josh Allen. That would be a catastrophe. And so I just don't, I also think that Josh just played a 10 out of 10 game against Sensi. I do think, by the way, the Patriots are going to win the division. Don't get me wrong. Like, I think the Patriots are going to hold on

to their divisional lead and win the division. But I don't, man, this would be a disaster in Buffalo. If before they actually have a, like, play for a championship, New England becomes, like, the preseason favorites in the AFC East, which if they sweep them this year and have a more, a sturdier playoff run than Bucson. then they definitely will be. It would just be really sad.

It's like, oh, Patrick Mahomes, the boogeyman, the boogeyman. Then Drake May comes in. Correct. Drake May is the reason. Oh, if you while. Who do you think will be the best quarterback in the AFC in five years? In the AFC East, five years from now, five years from now, Drake. Yeah.

I think that it's not like Josh's, well, I don't know. Listen, I think Drake and Josh is going to be an awesome divisional quarterback rival. Drake and Josh is in there. That's crazy. I didn't realize it. Yeah. Is that one of your shows? Yeah, I can't, man.

That was one of my favorites back. I think it was Nickelodeon. But yeah, Drake and John. Yeah. And listen, I get a little annoyed with some of the Patriots stuff because of Wilds. But I think Drake May is awesome. I think he's awesome. And, you know, Josh Allen is an all-time great already.

So Drake May could be a perennial MVP candidate and not necessarily better than Josh Allen. But they, to me, what Josh has to deal with over the rest of the prime of his career with Drake May is so much tougher than what Patrick is going to have to deal with with Bo Nix or even. Herbert. Like, I think Drake May already is better than Herbert. And I think Drake May is already a top five quarterback. All right, let's talk a little Lions Rams quickly before we get to our gambling show for tomorrow. So the Rams are at the top of the NFC. You've got a lot of faith in them. They're at the top of your tears. They got Detroit this week, though. It's a big test. Who can make a bigger statement

with a win in this game? Well, listen, this game is wildly important for both teams, and it's wildly important for both teams in this regard. Like, the Rams have just been rolling and killing people. I know they lost two weeks ago, but that feels like a bit of a blip. But because of that loss two weeks ago, if they were to lose this game,

the chances of them going from pretty clearly the best team in the conference all year long to the five seed, because Seattle catches them becomes very real. And so it's important for the Rams in that regard. It's important for Detroit because Detroit has extra rest, is coming off maybe their best game and best win of the season, and they are fighting for their playoff lives. And so I expect the Rams to win this game.

And if the Rams do win this game, then all of a sudden we're right, back to where we've been with Detroit, which has gone win-loss, win-lossed de Manzay, dating back to week five. They beat the Bengals, lost to the Chiefs, beat the Bucks, lost to the Vikings,

beat the commanders, lost to the Eagles, beat the Giants, lost to the backers, beat the Cowboys, and now they play the Rams. And that's no way to make the postseason. And I like the Rams in this spot. Do I like them enough to lay the same? six points. That will find out on the gambling show tomorrow, which DeMonsie and I are about to record

right now. So thank you to everybody. Reminder, I didn't ask you guys to do this off the top. I was too busy basking in my... Did I just lose connection? Are my back? Are you guys with me? Maybe it's perfect time.

The pod, they knew we were taking a break. They were like, our internet's going to freeze up. Like, rate, subscribe, review, everybody, if you would, please. It greatly helps us. I didn't ask you that off the top. I'll ask you that right now. Our Red Hot, I mean, just winners after winners, gambling show, comes to you this time tomorrow. We will see you guys then.

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And I'm Nick. and guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

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nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on on TikTok. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless, and at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs' tennis podcast for no-nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerabakhina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on

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