The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Where You Land In The NFL Matters

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

In this edition of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, he tells you why it's undeniable that some NFL quarterbacks are drafted onto teams with stacked rosters and, not surprisingly, do better than those drafted to teams with less surrounding help, Mike McCarthy is a much better coach than the media gave him credit for when he coached Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, Mike Gundy's behavior is not surprising to Colin and don't flush Bill O'Brien's head coaching prowess. Guests include: Ryen Russillo, Joel Klatt, Albert Breer, James Conner and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor's off today back Monday. She's in Miami hanging out with family. John Goulet, the veteran newsman, will be picking up the slack. John, love you. So all of us, I mean, you'd have to be pretty arrogant, right, to not acknowledge if you've been marginally successful in life, some of it is probably due to your parents. Genetics. Did they, were they around? Did you have a strong upbringing?

I was very lucky. I didn't have a perfect childhood, but my dad was. a doctor, his brother was a doctor. My mom, before she came over from England, was an honor student. I had pretty bright parents. I think it matters. They were pretty smart. My mom gave me kind of a worldview. I grew up listening to some, you know, the BBC, and there was a lot of, we had a lot of books around the house. I'm very lucky. I think that's better than average, right? So you've got to be pretty arrogant not to at least acknowledge, you know, where did you come from? I always say this. I'm always really impressed. I always ask people, where are you from?

your parents still around. I'm always kind of blown away when I hear somebody that's had a little bit of a rough upbringing and they've just made themselves into something and their family into something. It matters. And into sports, it also matters where you land in the NFL, your first NFL family.

And I've said this. This is why I questioned Joe Burrow. I think he's going to have a much harder time succeeding in Cincinnati than perhaps, you know, Josh Allen had in Buffalo where he inherited a great young coach and an excellent young GM. But here's a story that breaks today that Jamal Adams, the best player for the New York Jets, wants out. He's demanding a trade.

The Jets are like, we're not going to trade you. He's their best player. Where you land is so important. Now, think about Sam Darnold. So Sam Darnold gets there in the 2018 draft. No other player for the Jets in that draft has really hit. He's hit. The following year in the draft, one of the worst drafts I've ever seen by any team,

one guy appears to be able to play, Quentin Williams. Star doubtful. Player, decent. Take Josh Allen. In the year he got drafted, the same as Sam Darnold, 2018. In that draft alone, the Buffalo Bills drafted a linebacker in the first round. Trumane Edwards, Edmonds. He's already a pro bowler.

By the way, last year's draft for Buffalo. They got a starter on the defensive end in the first round. They got a starter at right tackle in the second round, a starter at running back in the third round, and a starter at tied end in the fourth round. Just look at wide receiver. Sam Darnold's best wide receiver. He's gone now, Robbie Anderson.

Carolina got him for almost nothing. Josh Allen for Buffalo at wide receiver? They've added Cole Beasley in the slot. Stefan Diggs, a superstar, and a free agent John Brown who gives you 1,000 yards. That's just at wide receiver. That's just at the primary spot you need. Buffalo already has rebuilt their offensive line.

The Jets are trying to, fingers crossed. Josh Allen inherits a really, really Sean McDermott good head coach, and McDermott's got a buddy who's the GM. They've shown to be incredibly capable, drafting in free agency. The coach and GM for the Jets right now, cross your fingers. The first two are already canned. Where you land matters. It's about 75 to 80% of it.

That's why when Sam Darnold at the end of last year, after Mono, went six and two down the stretch with a bad O line, 13 TDs, four picks, 93 and a half passer rating, ran for two touchdowns. I said, this is crazy impressive. And this is why I wonder how Joe Burrow flourishes in Cincinnati. We just don't consider us. In life, we acknowledge, oh, yeah, good parents, good kid. In the NFL, it's like, well, he's got a lot of talent. Josh Allen is a complete project. The two times Josh Allen at Wyoming and college played decent teams, Iowa and Oregon,

he was dreadful. He was terrible. Then you put him in the NFL, and he's actually more consistent. He's got better mechanics. He's more dependable in the NFL in college. So consider that when I criticize Joe Burrow. It's not really about him as much as it is the people he'll have to pull, the Bengal organization. Jamal Adams, great player.

You can make an argument to keep him or move him. The name of the game in this sport is drafting well, finding stars, and then resigning him. Probably what I do. So I saw something that I thought was very interesting. So Fox Bet came out with something yesterday. It's called spread value of coaches. How many points is your coach worth? Now, we all know, you know, Bill Belichick's worth some points, right?

Nobody would deny that. And, you know, we know Joe Judge with the New York Giants right now probably isn't worth any points. Not yet. So they came out Fox Bet, and the names at the top are not surprising. Bill Belichick is worth a field goal. Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reed, Sean McVe, Doug Peterson, Pete Carroll, Sean McDermine. What, what?

Number eight is Mike McCarthy? Mike McCarthy is worth mostly the same as Sean McVeigh? What? He's worth more than Pete Carroll and Doug Peterson. He's almost, almost same as Andy Reed. Well, how's that possible? I'm just going to ask you a couple questions.

Did you know that Mike McCarthy's winning percentage? plus a Super Bowl is higher than Pete Carroll's, John Harbaugh, and Andy Reed. 62% did you know that? Did you know that Mike McCarthy has more playoff wins than Vince Lombardi, Tony Dungey, Mike Tomlin, Sean Peyton, Jimmy Johnson, and Mike Shanahan? Yeah, the guy that looks like a Chicago cop. Did you know that? How is it possible?

Fox Bet says he's better coach than Pete Carroll, right up there with Andy Reed. Why? Because we were forced to take a side. In Green Bay, we had to pick a side, right? The media was so, and this is so American media in 2020, political reports, was so giddy with Aaron Rogers. At one point, they were calling him the goat. I'm not making it up. We were calling him the goat.

Marino, Elway, Peyton, Farr, Stoback, Tom Brady, the goat? But the media foaming made us pick aside. How come Aaron's not winning more? How come he's not winning more Super Bowls? So the media said, Aaron is great and Mike McCarthy's a Milwaukee cop. But here's the funny thing is that McCarthy left and Aaron Rogers numbers went down. Is completion percentage down slightly? Is passer rating down slightly?

400 yards a game or 400 yards total for the season went now. with Devante Adams. That was with an improved defense. It's not like the bears were good last year. It's not like Detroit wasn't a complete grease fire last year. The division was worse than the year before. How is that possible? The bears weren't as good as a previous year.

The lions were terrible because Matt Stafford was out. Minnesota was about the same, not quite as good, but pretty good. Dalvin Cook got hurt. And the numbers went down. Is it possible that we always gave Aaron way too much credit? and Mike McCarthy not enough credit. I mean, it should be noted that Russell Wilson has more fourth quarter comebacks than Aaron Rogers despite almost 50 fewer NFL starts.

Well, we'll find the answer out this year. Okay, so right now if you think Aaron's the reason they want and Mike is just nothing, we're going to find out and we're going to know probably by December 10th, December 15th. Because Mike McCarthy now takes over the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott, who none of you think is great. You think he's good. You think he's his franchise guy. You think he's solid.

You think he's a good leader. You think he's reliable. But you don't think he's Farr. You don't think he's Brady. You don't think he's Breed. You don't think... If Mike McCarthy wins in Dallas and

Dack Prescott flourishes, can we all then be authentic and honest and acknowledge? Due to the fact we were forced to pick sides, we always gave Aaron way too much credit, and we never gave Mike McCarthy enough. I mean, he's not flashy. He doesn't have the square jaw.

He's not John Harbaugh. He's not incredible at the Mike like Mike Tomlin. He doesn't look as good for his age as Pete Carroll. He didn't have that Sean McVeigh cool factor, the Kyle Shanahan cool factor. Maybe he just can coach. Maybe because Aaron is so cool and Mike's not cool at all, that persuaded us to have one. One is the goat and what is a bum, but we will know by December 1st if we were over our skis

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Good to have you. My buddy Ryan Rosillo is going to be joined me in 10 minutes. He's got some good insight on Kyrie Irving. And Kyrie Irving wants to start his own league. Okay, we'll talk about that. Joel Clat, top of next hour. A lot of stuff here on a Friday. And all I know is there's going to be a declaration later in the show.

John, I hope you're ready. A declaration. It's going to be a big second hour for this show. So Oklahoma State has a football coach named Mike Gundy. A lot of people through the years remember him from a rant he had. I'm 40. I'm a man. You know, the haircut, a lot of swagger, very good offensive coach he used to play there.

So back in 1989, he was the quarterback of Oklahoma State. And a game against Colorado, there were multiple players for Colorado that said he used a racial slur-the-N-word during a game. He denied it. Alfred Williams, there's a story that came out yesterday about that incident, and Alfred Williams said, I'm not asking for Mike Gundy to be fired. Alfred Williams, by the way, was one of the best players maybe ever in the history of Colorado football, great player.

Buckas Award winner, multiple Pro Bowls, just great football player. He and multiple players said Gundy said it during the game. And now Gundy, you know, was in hot water, the O-A-N shirt, and Gundy had dumb comments about COVID-19 and hasn't been very good during the Black Lives Matter movement. And so then this story came out. And Alfred Williams said, listen, I'm not asking to fire the guy, but I want an apology. I want to see growth, which is what I have said from the very beginning. If we're asking for growth, don't ask for perfection. The least Mike Gundy can do is offer an apology and show growth. But what's interesting here is about Mike Gundy is it's not a surprise.

And I've followed college football since I was a kid. And there's about 12 really great jobs in college football. And when the jobs are open, it's a national search. Penn State, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, those are national jobs. Every other college football coach, after that, schools are just looking for somebody who's got a connection to the school who a couple boosters know. That's Mike Gundy. Since high school, he's only spent five years of his life not connected to Oklahoma State and Stillwater. He's a big deal there. He was a big recruit in high school, an hour out of town, Midwest City. He was a big deal in college there.

And he left for a couple years. He came back. He's a big deal there. He's a local football coach. And he's great on Saturday and he's probably great at that Wednesday luncheon with all the boosters. But he's been really bad this year in the offseason. Why? Because Black Lives Matter is a global movement.

And COVID-19 is a global. pandemic, and Mike is local. He's good at a booster luncheon. Don't ask for anything else. This is not Mike Shishchevsky, who's a national coach, NBA offers, legend in college, coached the Olympic team. Remember how smart he was when asked about COVID-19? Oklahoma and Texas are national jobs.

How smart have Tom Herman and Lincoln Riley been on not only COVID-19, but Black Lives Matter? unfortunately, and this is not picking on Mike Gundy, he is not a victim here. This is what you get a lot in college sports. I'm just trying to be instructive. There's a handful five or six, seven national college basketball jobs, maybe 10. There's maybe 10 to 12 national college football jobs where it's not about who a booster knows or a guy that's from here or a guy that used to coach here. you go big. And the big candidates like the Tom Hermons and like the Lincoln Riley's

and like the Mike Shoshchevsky's and like the Bill Sells, it's not a shock. They have flourished as we deal with COVID-19 and we have a real revolution going on globally, long overdue Black Lives Matter. Mike Gundy has handled it precisely how I would expect him to handle it. Here's John Goulet with the news. No, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Major League Baseball's Players Association submitted a proposal to the owners for a 70-game season, and their executive director, Tony Clark, said, quote, we believe this offer represents the basis for an agreement on a resumption of play. This proposal was immediately rejected by the owners. Commissioner Rob Manfred said on Thursday, quote, I told him 70 games was simply impossible given the calendar and the public health situation.

and he went ahead and made that proposal anyway. What is your reaction to the, I think it's the third edition of rejected proposal? I mean, again, everybody's being so overly dramatic. So 60 games is what the owners wanted. The players say we want 70. And I'm supposed to believe that's an outrageous ask. Let's settle it 66. 66 games works for TNT and Fox and ESPN.

The 66 games work. for the television partners, and that's where 63% of income and baseball comes from, the television contract. So, again, there's all this public outrage. Listen, if you owed me 20, you offered 10,

and then you moved it up to 16, I can't be outraged. We're close here. We're inches, not feet. We're feet not yards. It's, you know, just to me, get to 66. Let's move on. Doesn't it feel like base the owners have every right?

They're just going to stall because it helps them get the number down without having to do anything. It's just gamesmanship and it's tedious. So 49ers wide receiver, Debo Samuel, broke his foot this week during a throwing session with teammates. The second year receiver expected to miss three months, give or take. Samuel had 800 yards receiving for the NFC champion 49ers last season and emerged down the stretch as a pretty big threat. Are you concerned at all with the Niners that, They're going to suffer that kind of Super Bowl hangover we've seen some teams have recently? No, because I don't think it's a wide receiver-driven offense.

You know, it's like we've always said about Belichick. The Jenga piece with Bill Belichick has never been pass rushers in his defense. It's always been corners. He'll pay for him and draft him. He's let great pass rushers. Chandler Jones go. Richard Seymour. Seymour go.

I mean, so in Belichick's scheme, he gets a consistent pass rush, but the jenga piece is the corners. Well, in Kyle Shanahan's offense, it's always been about building the O line, and it elevates tight ends and running backs. So wide receivers are great. But, I mean, remember last year, they had to bring in Emmanuel Sanders. Dante Pettis has not worked as a draft pick. It's one only John Lynch's only, you know, early round whiffs. They had a kiddle got hurt. They brought into Manuel Sanders.

They had multiple injuries at wide receiver, and they still got to a Super Bowl. I would argue the full back in the 49er system has as much value as most wide receivers, even Debo. Well, and the only concern for me would be just that division is so tough that if you get a rash of injuries, I mean, you've always said that a lot of times getting the Super Bowl has to do with are you healthy or not? And you could easily fall behind the Seahawks. You have the Rams in the division. I know you like the Cardinals. That would be my only concern is that you lose a couple games early.

I think the Niners are a power. I think the Niners, I think the Niners are a power running team. I think that that's their identity. And I don't think the wide receiver situation has been settled a single year. I think they've had multiple pettus, whiffed, Debo flourish, got hurt, Emmanuel Sanders leaving. Kendrick Bourne now came from nowhere. So they've just figured wide receiver out.

What they're really built on is not the perimeter. And finally, Colin, no one has been more critical of Alabama's weak non-conference schedule over the years than you. They generally make their four non-conference games, three cupcakes, and then a neutral site game in Dallas against USC or Louisville or Duke. Not anymore, though. Alabama and Ohio State announced yesterday

they have agreed to a home-and-home series in 2027 and 28. The first year will be in Columbus the next year in Tuscaloosa. So listen to Alabama's future non-conference opponents, and these are not neutral site games. These are home-and-homes they've set up with all these schools. Texas in 22. 23, Wisconsin in 24, 25, Florida State, which we'll see if that's still a tough game, 25, 26. Notre Dame, they're playing in 28 and 29, and now Ohio State in 27, 28.

So I'm supposed to give Nick Saban credit. He will not be around for any of those except Texas. I was going to say in 2028, they play Notre Dame and Ohio State. So we can guarantee Nick Saban is retiring by 2027. Yeah. So I mean, this is, listen, we both acknowledge that he's great. Saban. One thing you can't deny is after about the third year at Alabama, he stopped going on the road. He plays one big game in a neutral site, three cupcakes, and has a buy before LSU. He has manipulated the schedule. It's what I always loved about Pete Carroll at USC. He would go to Virginia Tech. I'll go out east to play them. I'll go to Ohio State. I'll go to Texas. I love Nick. And he deserves to be the greatest college football coach of all time. But after about year three, he just started manipulating the schedule. And I'm tired of hearing

but we're in the SEC. Yes, Georgia's good. Florida this year's tasty. LSU's fun. But let's be honest, the middle of the SEC down is dysfunctional, just like everybody else. But other SEC teams don't do that.

I mean, LSU is doing a home, they're playing Texas. Auburn has played Oregon multiple times. Tennessee and LSU have always gone out of common. I mean, no, I mean, LSU's history is, they'll go anywhere anytime. That's why I respect LSU. Yeah, I mean, they're in,

I Auburn played Oregon this season. The Auburn's always been willing to travel places and play team. I don't buy the SEC thing. I think it's just he realized that I get to the final four as long as I don't have a loss. I'm not going to put one on the schedule. So he always schedules the down programs. Right. Oh, I'll play USC in Dallas when USC would be, what, a 20-point underdog.

It would probably be an 18, 17-underdog. Yeah. John Goulet with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd-Lie News. He's my buddy. We used to work together.

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Good morning, Carl. Good morning to you. I want to start with the NBA because I think your brand, a lot of people know. You've talked to GMs, you know it, you deep dive on it constantly, and you have excellent information. So I did think it's interesting. I think Kyrie Irving gets the right to an opinion. But this whole, we're going to start a league thing. And I thought, wait, the minimum you're making this league two years in is like,

or three years in is like two eight. I'm like, the player's not taken care of. What did you take of what became kind of a spectacle, a polarizing spectacle of Kyrie being the voice of the league during this lockout? Well, I think he did. Yeah. Right. I think there are two things that he deserves a lot of credit for.

He brought a voice to the voiceless. Other players who felt like this league's been run by stars, we just have to go along according to them. I have concerns. And I think Kyrie did that. And I actually think that that's a really cool thing that he did. Any player that's worried about health, worried about family, worried about the distance, this whole operator,

if you don't want to go down there and play, and then you think there's more important things in basketball, which we can totally understand, especially right now, then that's cool, too. I wouldn't criticize anybody for bringing up any of that stuff. But we are all products of our own resume, right? So Kyrie has had moments in the past. where he's left a lot of us going like, what's he doing?

So when this came out, and I first heard it from somebody saying, Kyrie is a different guy, sees the world differently. I think Dinwiddie is somebody who we've even seen one of his teammates who was like, maybe I'll do a go fund me to try to figure out a way to play for another team. And everybody's like, well, there's no way that's legal. So even though I like the concept and the conversation of could players actually come together and do this on their own, we know that in life there are two kinds of people, all right? one guy who most of us are is we like to see that number every two weeks in our checking account.

Okay. We like to see that direct deposit, that paycheck every two weeks. And then there are other people that go, what can I be worth in five or ten years? And the idea that you would get the top players in the NBA to all line up their contracts, to all expire at the exact same time, knowing that really what they're doing is sacrificing their current day earning power to set up generations after. It's an amazing idea. It's very selfless.

It's also incredibly unrealistic. You know, it's interesting. To go from an isolation situation with a pandemic to an isolation situation in Orlando, it is a big ask, especially when you watch baseball guys and you're going to watch football players and they're with their families. I think it's a tough ask, but be that as it may, I think the stars want to play. There's been a lot of discussion on, you know, this is a lot of time off. My gut feeling's always been, what an advantage for like Anthony Davis who can be brittle?

What an advantage for Kauai who has injuries or Hardin who burns out? I think we're going to see a veteran-dominated bubble in Orlando, no upsets, short, quick series with veterans dominating. Is that what you see? I'm way more on that side. And I feel like because this is so different, people have tried to come up with, like, different outcomes. And I'm all for that. You know, it gets boring to just go ahead and say, in a big Cleveland and Golden State every single year,

which actually would have been a good call because it happened most of the time, right? But I think because of this layoff, I've heard from more voices that I trust saying, you know, could Boston because they're younger find a way out of the east? Why are we going to start picking teams that were kind of middling teams? And I'm not saying they're bad, but four and five seeds. Like, why am I all of a sudden supposed to believe because there was time off that those teams now have an advantage in the teams that were dominant or at a disadvantage?

It doesn't really make any sense. Like, why is everybody off of Milwaukee now when they were trouncing the competition? and had a great home record. Okay, they also beat everybody on the road, too. They were historic in their point differential. So even though, you know, you could talk about Milwaukee's roster being older, look at who's actually playing the top five minutes. Janus is 26, Middleton's 28.

So, yeah, LeBron's a little bit older, but I would agree with you. I would think, like, didn't everybody love people being shut down and taking games off and taking time off? So I'm not going to be in this hurry to start picking all these unprecedented outcomes just because I think the middling team somehow have an advantage. It doesn't really make any sense to me. I want to go to football stuff. So when Khalil Mack got traded, I was like everybody else.

I was like, wow, you drafted him. He became the best pass rusher. I'd pay for him. And then all of a sudden a year later, you're like, well, the Raiders actually got a bunch of good players for him. And we tend to do this, that outside of a Patrick Mahomes or a Russell Wilson, they're not, most guys in the NFL you can trade. So that brings me to Jamal Adams.

He is easily the Jets best player. He is maybe the best blitzing safety I've seen in years. He's a total playmaker from special teams to defense. Greg Williams loves him. But boy, you could get a lot for him, and it's a lot to pay a safety. Where do you fall? They're not paying Sam Darnold anything. Where do you fall on the superstar player, Khalil Mack, Jamal Adams,

on a team with a million needs. You're the GM of the Jets. He wants to be traded. What would you do, Ryan? I would trade him. I would trade him because I wouldn't want to have to start every day with a Jamal Adams update for the next five years because that's what the story has been. He is a fantastic player. He's so much fun to watch. He's just different in the way he plays safety, so physical. Just seeing him roam and anticipate snap counts. He's all those things. I'm not knocking that. But this has been going on forever. Again, this is somebody in Jamal Adams who says, well, I can't, I don't want to talk about this anymore. And then he can't stop talking about it. And the whole thing spawned from him kind of wanting out. So I think he and his agent are playing this a little bit. bit more than just all of a sudden Douglas decided, hey, you know what I'm going to do? Just trade Jamal Adams. I'm bored today.

That's not what happened. And that's how this whole thing's been turned into the story. Like they just decided they wanted to get this guy. He hasn't been happy the whole time, Colin. So I don't think I'd want to deal with this. Like at some point, as great of the player is, if you don't want to be here and you're constantly planning these stories or you're commenting on them all, like I got a job to do. And there's another 50 plus guys that want to go out there and win games.

This is already a distraction and we're in a pandemic. Yeah. Another NFL topic. So Fox Bet came out today. I can't wait for this one. I love that. I'm already excited. I was waiting the whole time for this.

Okay. So they did, you know, coaching value. And it's all the guys you'd think. Belichick's a field goal, Sean Peyton McVeigh. And it's all the guys we like. And then all of a sudden you're like, the hell, Mike McCarthy is as good as Sean McVe? Mike McCarthy is ahead of Pete Carroll.

And my theory is we were forced five years. go to pick a side. Because Aaron's the goat, everybody kept saying, and it, well, how come he's not going to- Not you, man. Not me. So you're forced to pick a side. So it's like, okay, Aaron's great. Mike's a meatball. And all of a sudden, you're like, Mike leaves. Aaron's numbers don't go up, and Aaron's a little prickly. And is it possible? First of all, you're, is it possible that Mike's a little better than we think, and Aaron's not quite as good? I mean, what do you make of where McCarthy falls there. This is what the guy's in Vegas who make a live in betting.

They think he's just about as good as Andy Reed. Now, this is all about, this is Cowherd 101. You are psyched because you found a little bit of evidence that maybe backed your anti-Rogers stuff, okay? And then the brilliance of you, which only guys that do it for a living quite pretty good. You're asking me in a question a way where I have to kind of agree with you because you're being so soft in the way you're pedaling it.

We're like, is it possible? Could it remotely? Is there a 1% chance that, nah? You know, and all this stuff. And you go, okay, fine, sure you got me. And then, I was like, yeah, rack it. Actually, you don't say that. Sorry, no mind.

But you've been shorting Rogers, but that'd be like you shorting Kodak in the 80s. They'd be like, okay, 40 years later, yes, the phone trashed these disposable cameras. But in the 80s, it was still the best. Look, I would agree that Rogers has some holes lately that I did not expect to see. I've given up, right. I swear, like, the teammates. thing is a real thing. You and I have both worked with enough guys that played with Rogers. You're like, oh, wow. So it isn't the greatest time ever. Okay. All right. I'm now convinced

of this. But what I would say is that you've been on this for so long that this guy was the best. He's the best drawer of the football I think I've ever seen up into maybe Mahomes. And yes, there's some declining numbers when you really dig into it that are alarming. But now McCarthy by a gambling website is ranked the eighth best. And now that means you were right about Rogers for a decade. That's a reach. I just think it's, I like being called out on my show between Nick Wright and Rosillo. I get dogged about four times a week. All right, one more thing.

Baker, please. Were you doing Baker? Okay, we'll do Baker. I actually think he's going to have a good year. I really do. I think last year he had the worst coach in the league, and I think the offensive line was awful. But here's my one take on Baker, is that you know how it works at big companies. if you're a good guy behind the scenes and your struggle,

you'll get one more year. So if Sam Darnold struggles this year, Ryan, they'll fire Gase, they'll keep Darnold. But Baker's had a lot of missteps. And if he struggles, they ain't firing Stafansky. They're moving off Baker. That's my takeaway. Like, okay, they fired the first coach.

They fired the second coach. I think Baker's immaturity has put a little pressure on him that he gets no more breaks. Is that fair this year? I don't know that you can say it's a lot of missteps just in the last year. I just think last year was a disaster. I do think they had the worst coach. They were completely unprepared every single week.

I mean, you watched them and you went, what's going on? I also think that Baker started to feel the pressure of knowing that he was under pressure all the time. So I felt like he was making throws that he wouldn't even made in the first half of the season. And some of this was just based on the expectation of them adding all this talent and having a little bit of a fool's goal finish to 2018. You and I talked about it. We talked about it on the show. We talked about it and we're hanging out. You're like, did you see who they actually be?

And then everybody get really excited about the Browns all of a sudden. So having said all those things, I think the quarterbacks, we're really stupid, I think, when we're talking about active quarterbacks, all of us collectively. Quarterbacks grab us by our shoulders and scream in our faces with years of evidence to be like, this is exactly who I am. Why in year eight are you guys going, well, if Cutler were able to just, you know, a little more tempo from them, like, no, like this is who he is.

why are we debating this anymore? I would be worried if Baker has a year similar to what he just had, knowing that it sounds ridiculous to run anybody off, especially the number one overall pick. But, you know, by year three, you kind of are who you are. And for Baker, you could argue, hey, that's not even a full three seasons. I'm not as anti him as you are because I think it was a collective disaster last season. But if it's not more like 2018 and it's more like 2019,

like I say with these QBs, like a lot of time, they're giving us all the answers to the test. We just refuse to believe the answer sometimes. That's a really good answer right there. Hey, look at the very nice place you're staying at. Things must be going well for you. Very nice. It's a rental.

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this weekend. So Fox Bet came out with what's the value of your coach? And this is all about betting. They're not trying to create clicks. This is betting. You can bet these, right? Most valuable coaches were very predictable. It's a Belichick worth a field goal and Sean Payton's worth two and a half points and McVeigh and all that stuff.

The last coach, the least valuable coach, he's worth negative points. He was the only coach in the NFL that was worth negative points, Bill O'Brien of Houston. Point zero four. Half a point. If he coaches your team, you're half a point worse. Really. So he's below Doug Marone. He's coached against Doug Maron 11 times.

Bill O'Brien is nine and two against Doug Marone with various quarterbacks. Joe Judge, Kevin Stavansky, Matt Rule, do we even know if they can coach in the NFL? Zach Taylor, Cincinnati? Cliff Kingsbury? Cliff Kingsbury's worth almost a point. Vic Fangio, you guys were beating up on him last year in Denver. He's worth over a point. Bill O'Brien's negative points. Okay.

This is what stinks about social media is that somebody gets a bit of evidence and it's an avalanche against Bill O'Brien. He's been a coach for six years in the NFL. He's had five winning seasons. He's won four division titles. Andrew Luck was in that division for a while. Four division titles. He has a winning record, 52 and 44.

Twice he's gotten to the divisional round of the playoffs. He had one bad year. Deshawn Watson tore his ACL. This is a guy that has won games. Lots of them with T.J. Yates and Tom Savage. This is a guy that has won with a great quarterback to Sean Watson, and then he had bad quarterbacks, and he won with great defense. He wins multiple ways.

Does everybody forget? Does everybody forget? In the last, I would say, 10 years in college football, the biggest tire fire, the biggest mess was that Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno debacle, that horrible mess at Penn State. They lost scholarships. it was bad publicity. They couldn't recruit.

He had to replace a legend and everybody in the world. Every coach in the Big Ten was like, you can't go to Penn State. Jerry Sandusky. Your kids aren't safe there. Oh, yeah, creepy. He goes eight and four and seven and five. He beat Michigan one year. He beat Wisconsin another year.

Like football powers, top 10, top 12, top 15 football powers. Eight and four, seven and five. Well, he had Christian Hakenberg. That guy just quit football. He's now playing. baseball. He didn't have a quarterback. He didn't have a top quarterback. Bill O'Brien keeps winning. Deshawn Watson, Hackenberg, T.J. H. Tom Savage. He won with the great defense. You're telling me he's the worst coach in the league. I'm supposed to believe that.

This is a little what happened to Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly was an unbelievable college coach. He made Oregon a national power. Like Oregon games, they were ahead 35-7 at half. I mean, I had friends who went to Oregon games. They got bored. They were destroying Pete Carroll. They were destroying USC. And then he goes to the NFL. He goes 10 and 6, 10 and 6 with like Mark Sanchez. And you're like, what? Everybody's like, terrible.

Because he traded away some stars. And NFL fans love their stars and their fantasy players. They love him. You trade them away and you're a bum. Bill O'Brien's a bad general manager. He's not good at that. I don't even think, I don't even think, frankly, Bill Belichick's good at that. I think the Patriots drafting is below NFL average.

They haven't drafted a pro bowler on offense. since Gronk. That was 10 years ago. So you've got to give me a break. They haven't rated lower than Matt Patricia. Matt Patricia's 9, 22, and 1 in the NFL as a coach. Bill O'Brien's got four division titles in six years. I mean, you don't have to love him, but we've got to be honest about that. He is not the worst coach in the NFL. He's a bad GM. I don't always love his picks, but he wins a bunch of games in a league. It's very hard to. You know, You know, we were talking about that Jamal Adams situation in New York. And Jamal Adams is a great player.

We tried to get them on the show today. We do have James Connor of the Pittsburgh Steelers in an hour and a half from now. But, you know, in sports, you get these situations where there's sports arguments, and I'm supposed to take one side or the other side. Ryan Rosillo just said, listen, I would trade Jamal Adams because I don't want to drive to the facility every day and he's responding on social media. Like if you're unhappy, you're unhappy. I totally get that take.

The Jamal Adams Jet story, I can make a list of five reasons both sides to keep him and trade him. Why would I keep him? He's their best player. You drafted him. Isn't that the game of the NFL? Draft players, hope they're great and re-sign him.

He's a complete playmaker, even on special teams. Greg Williams, the defensive coordinator, absolutely loves him. He makes a team back. better. You can keep him. And also, let's be honest about it. They're not paying Sam Darnold anything. They don't have a top five paid offensive line. They don't have star receivers. They're paying a lot of money to. There's a lot of money here with the Jets. They pay CJ mostly, Lavian Bell. That's it, the whole team. Or you could trade him. A,

he's unhappy. B, he tends to go to social media. C, you can get stuff for him. You can absolutely get a first round pick and probably a starter on your team. You could probably get a starter. You could get a high-end corner and a first-round pick for. I mean, I said this before with the Chargers. If the Chargers didn't have a safety to have Derwin James, go to the Chargers. As for one of their corners, they have three Pro Bowl-level corners and get a first-round pick. But this is not one of these you have to take either side. You could keep him, which Joe Douglas wants to, or you can move him. The only thing you can't deny, he is, the safety is the only player in the NFL when the snap starts. You can't see him on your TV. And he's on very, very

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So Joel Clatt in a couple of minutes. So pro football focus is this sort of data. grading analytic system. I like it because I'm a football nerd. You know, if you like the deep dive on stuff, I'm really into it. And I like predicting stuff and looking at it. And it gives you, you know, it confirms some stuff. I've always been fascinated by quarterbacks.

I was a crappy high school quarterback. I love the position. I've gone to these elite 11 camps. I just like the quarterback position. And increasingly in the NFL, the league really now is about head coach quarterback. If you're good there, you're good. You give me an A quarterback and an A coach. you'll make the playoffs, barring some catastrophic, you know, injury mess.

In fact, in the NFC, I predicted all my NFC teams this year. The only one where it's not like a great quarterback is Kirk Cousins. Everybody else, you know, it's a Shanahan, Garoppolo, Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll. I got Aaron Rogers in there. The only one, and I think Mike Zimmer is an A coach, a little conservative, is Kirk Cousins. And I think he, like Derek Carr, super efficient, clearly a franchise quarterback. Pro football focus, though, they dive even deeper. They came out with something that's interesting.

They ranked the NFL's best quarterbacks on first read throws. Like, that's what comes out of the sideline and the huddle. Coach dials it up. You go to the line and can you deliver on the coach's play? Top five are Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Andrew Luck, Jared Gough, and Aaron Rogers. All of them, by the way, had some real nice weapons, right? Had for Andrew Luck, have for the other guys. this is you call a play.

They go to the line. They may audible into the right prediction. The center does. And all of a sudden, boom, you hit it. Breeze Mahalms, luck, golf, Rogers. Now, before we go to the next one. Now, they also pro football focus. Say, what happens when the first throw isn't there?

You got to add a little bit. You got to make a decision. Pass rush now, three seconds. three and a half breaking down, this is where the quarterback has to be special. And I'm not saying Jared Goff and Drew Breeze aren't special. They're NFL starting quarterbacks. But it's on those second and third reads where now it's no coaching. Now it's quarterback.

Now the route peels off. The protection erodes. Let's go PFF's highest-gretted quarterbacks on non-first read thrills. Oh, wait. Number one, Russell Wilson, is miles ahead of everybody else. Mahalms Breeze, Carson Wentz 4, and Jimmy Garoppolo 5, both higher than Aaron Rogers. Isn't that funny? That the narrative, that it's all Shanahan and anybody but Jimmy Garoppolo?

No. This proves that it's a marriage, because we know Shanahan's good. but when the play breaks down and you go to a second read and a third read and the receivers now are ad-libbing and the protection breaks down and you're going to see the entire field in half a second, Wentz's four and Garoppolo right next to him at five. Folks, when it comes to quarterbacks, I don't even know why you listen to any other show.

Hear ye, hear ye, for as many years of loyal service to the position of quarterback and his relentless pursuits of the truth. We hereby proclaim calling Cowherd to be the king of all quarterback opinion. I mean, why are you arguing anymore? What is the, what's the point of listening to other shows? I think it's going to, you know, Clatt's waiting. Oh, Clad is? Your Highness.

Your Highness, okay, can be sarcastic. With that, I bring in Joel Clat, who, by the way, 44 quarterback records at Colorado via the Coward Global Satellite. Oh, my gosh. I really have to follow that. Like, I'm coming on after you do that. Okay. Hey, by the way, Ohio State Alabama. Yeah.

Now, Nick Saban schedules all the tough games. He'll be gone for almost all of them. 100%. But what was your takeaway on, we're starting to see. Alabama's going for a couple of year. Big Dog games. What do you make of it? I'm excited about it.

And I think that this trend hopefully will continue. with other programs, and we do see that with other programs, and we've seen it with other conferences over the last couple of years. But these are just those notable home and homes for Alabama that we see. Texas is coming up. That's going to be phenomenal. Wisconsin, Florida State, Ohio State, Notre Dame. These are games that are just good for college football, Colin, and it's, you know what's interesting is I actually think this season, and trust me, when I tell you this, I have no idea what it's going to look like this season. But this season, And part of what the athletic directors are worried about in terms of the coronavirus and how the schedule is going to play out, I think it's going to impact future schedules in that I think you're going to see more and more power five matchups moving forward because they're just more like-minded.

They have like protocols in terms of how they care for their athletes, what the name image and likeness is going to mean for those programs moving forward. For this season specifically, what are the protocols as far as testing and safety within those programs? So I love that Alabama and Ohio State scheduled this game. Kudos to Greg Byrne and Gene Smith for getting this done, the respective athletic directors, because this is great for college football. This is what the fans want to see. And I can't. Well, I just hope that Gus and I are still in a booth and get to do that game in the shoe.

All right, now a serious topic. Alfred Williams is a great player at Colorado, maybe the best they've ever had. Great player. And back in 1989. Bucket Award winner. Yeah, yeah. No, he was in a great NFL player. So back in the late 80s.

he played for Colorado against Oklahoma State. Mike Gundy was the quarterback for Oklahoma State. And Alfred and several Colorado players claimed at the time during the game that Mike Gundy used a slur toward black players. And this week, stories came out about Gundy and racial insensitivity, and the stories came out. Now, Alfred Williams said, listen, I'm not calling for his job. We told you about this years ago.

And all I wants an apology and growth, which, by the way, I think that's an incredibly mature take, which is if we want growth, we can't demand perfection for the last 30 years. If the Oklahoma State wants to fire them, they can do whatever they want. But the apology minimum, but the whole story about Mike Gunney, I said, going forward, let's take it today forward. What does it mean for Gundy and Oklahoma State football? Well, I mean, that's a great question. And it's interesting. I know so many of these parties, you know, I'm close to them.

Because Colin, I actually worked with Alfred. Obviously, we went to Colorado together. I see him at alumni events. I worked with him at a radio station in Denver. Alfred's a great guy. And all those teammates that he referenced, I know them well from being an alumni. Obviously, covering Coach Gundy, I know him very well. So it's so fascinating.

They're also connected. The coach that maybe meant more to Alfred than anybody else in his college career was Bob Simmons, who ended up being the head coach at Oklahoma State, basically directly after this season that they were talking about, right in that time frame. So a lot of connections there. Obviously, it was documented at the time. It's been a long time since. But like you said, moving forward, it's really clear that Mike Gundy has stepped on his toes to put it softly in the last few weeks, right? And admittedly so, he's made some big mistakes. Now, this surfacing, if you want to call it better, resurfacing,

does not help matters. And Colin, I would be completely insensitive if I tried to, to talk about the human impact of what this is going to mean for Oklahoma State and their football team moving forward because I don't know. And I can't put myself in those shoes. But what I can talk about and give some level of opinion on is the organizational impact moving forward. So, Colin, I think that this is twofold for the organization or the program at Oklahoma State. First and foremost, I'm a big believer that leadership is everything in every organization, okay and everything rises and falls based on quality or poor leadership i'm also a huge believer that a house divided cannot stand right it's just impossible so whatever the cracks are or the fractures are

at oklahoma state due to all of this news in the recent weeks it remains to be seen whether they can put together this successful season in particular with one of their star players of the best running backs in the country tuba hubbard being right at the forefront of one of those stories he's one of the reasons why a lot of us, including myself, thought Oklahoma State would be a nice, dark horse pick to win the Big 12, potentially compete for a playoff spot. So that's their impact on the field. And then I think even greater than that is the potential impact in recruiting.

Recruiting is the lifeblood to any program. And it's been very apparent, both in basketball and in football, that these athletes with their social media presence, both in college and in high school, have an enormous amount of power with their. decision-making skills with where they take their talents and how they enter into college and enter into those scholarships. So it remains to be seen what this is going to do to him on the recruiting trail and rest

assured that the other schools that recruit against Oklahoma State will use this to their benefit on the recruiting trail. So, Talcott, you were a quarterback at Colorado, 44 school records as a Buffalo starting quarterback. Last year, Joe Burrow kind of sneaks up on us. And then Tua gets hurt. This year, we know Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields are the top two. They may go one and two, and both are seen as A plus prospects. There's no sneaking up.

Both would have been drafted top five this year if they were available. Yeah, potentially. Is A, is there a third? Give me another guy or two in college football because those two are done. but if you look at the last five years, Joel, and we've talked about this, the quality of high school college quarterback has exploded in the last seven or eight years. Okay, who else behind these two looks like could be the next Josh Allen kind of level player? Yeah, I'll give you a better one.

The next Carson Wince plays at his alma mater, Trey Lance at North Dakota State. I think he's going to be the third quarterback taken, and maybe could challenge for, you know, that second spot. This guy did not throw an interception last year. He rolls out there and runs for a thousand yards and I believe it was 14 touchdowns, if I'm not mistaken. He is big, strong arm runs that offense to perfection. And with Wince's success in the NFL, he's going to get more eyeballs. The scouts that I talk to say that Trey Lance could absolutely be put right in that category with Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields potentially if he has another big year. and he's going to have a couple of stages.

Think about this column. They play Oregon the opening week of the season. That's a big game. North Dakota State could win that game. There's no doubt they are a power, and they would be a really good Division I college football team, even in the Power 5 at this point. And he's going to have that opportunity to shine.

So he's the guy that I would point to us, the guy that could sneak up on those that maybe haven't heard of him or don't follow the North Dakota State moving into next year's draft. Joel Clatt joining us. You know, the college football season, practices are about to start. I still have a feeling that some of these big out-of-conference games, I'm crossing my fingers on the USC BAM as if they're going to be played at Ohio State, Oregon. Are there a series of games this year?

Like Michigan, Washington's interesting. Washington returns most of their defense. Jim Harbaugh has to win these big national games. Are there a handful of games you're really looking forward to early in the season? Yes. can I preface this by saying like Kansas could play Yukon at Jones Junior High School and I would be excited

for it right now I'm like right like Gus and I will climb two floors of scaffolding and call that game if if need be if that's the only one in town but so I'm excited for anything but if the schedule does play out as as it is currently made up yes you touched on a couple of them

let me just throw out a couple of more Ole Miss and Mississippi State in the Egg Bowl, and I know that that's not early season, right? But Notre Dame also plays Wisconsin at Lambo. That's a great one. There are several really, really good games in the non-conference. You touched on Ohio State and Oregon, Michigan and Washington, USC and Alabama. I can't wait for some of that. And this is the product of a lot of that scheduling that went on five, six, seven years ago that brought us some of these

home-and-home-home-type games, and I'm here for it, and I hope that it plays out. Just a real quick, Colin, I do think one of the things I'm hearing from athletic directors around the country right now is the one thing that they're nervous about is not these games, per se, these major programs against major programs, but the rest of the non-conference schedule, right? So let's say you're going to play U-TEP, you know, just for sake of argument, nothing against UTEP. But if they don't have the protocols in place and the testing regiments in place to take care of their

players like a Power 5 program would. Why would a Power 5 program put their players at risk by putting them on the same field with a program at the, you know, level of a U-TEP or something along those lines? So what I'm hearing is that you are getting some push from some athletic directors to go conference schedule only. Yeah. Only to avoid, Colin, some of those games with lower-level division schools that maybe don't have the testing regiments or protocols in place to keep their players as safe as the bigger

brands. By the way, is there, you know, I was just thinking about this this morning. Is there a big time program with a coach on the hot seat? And I thought to myself, Clay Helton and Tom Herman, does Tom Herman, it's interesting, he plays LSU early. And I thought to myself, Orgeron's got a pass. Does Tom Herman have to win that game for his boosters? Is Tom Herman in trouble if he doesn't get to 10 this year? He's the one with the experience, quarterback, the expectations. LSU is on borrow time. They just had maybe the greatest season that we've ever seen, but specifically from, from Borough and maybe from a team aspect as well, right? Like, they could kind of flop this year. And yes, they'll be rumblings and people won't be happy,

but they just won the national championship and went 15 and 0, beat Alabama and Tuscaloosa. They'll be fine, obviously. But Texas, they had expectations going into last year. Remember, it was just two years ago that they beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. Sky high expectations last year. If they, with Sam Ellinger, do not beat LSU, I think that you're going to start hearing some whispers. If there is a coach that is most, I don't want to say in trouble or on the hot seat, I just think most under pressure to win. And maybe this is the case all the time at Texas. But Tom Herman certainly is in that boat.

And he knows it. I've talked to him about it. He knows he needs to win. He knows he needs to win some of those big games. I think it starts with that LSU game early in the year. Yeah, big one. Joel Clatt, absolutely great seeing you. Best of you and the family.

Thanks, man. Yes, you as well. Have a good day, guys. All right, good stuff. Albert Breer is around the corner, and the 49ers lose that star-wide receiver. What does it mean? That's coming up.

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Both races are also on the Fox Sports app. By the way, I'm not supposed to tell you to watch other networks and stuff, but Sunday night on the MLB network, there's a documentary. Of course, we all watch the Michael Jordan 10-part documentary. There's a one-part documentary on Ken Griffey Jr. It's called Junior. I interviewed Harold Reynolds, who played with Junior for about four years in Seattle. That will be on my podcast tomorrow.

So I do a Saturday morning podcast, just download it. We'll put it on my Twitter and on my social media. You'll know where to find it. So, and it's fascinating. I just finished the interview with Harold. I'll post it in the morning. The stories about Ken Griffey Jr. are unbelievable. And I watched last weekend.

I watched the Sammy Sosa Mark McGuire documentary. And, you know, there's a lot of criticism about it that these guys basically cheated. And so why did we do a documentary in the first hour of it just talked about how great it was? And then at the end, they were like, yeah, they just took steroids. The amazing thing about Ken Griffey Jr. And, of course, I'm from the Pacific Northwest. He ended his career with a lot of injuries in Cincinnati. It never felt quite as great.

His dad was there. That's why I went. But he's the only player. He's the only player. I even heard a Jeter rumor once. Not saying it's true, but, you know, there were people. like how do he get so good? Griffey's the only player in the steroid era was never mentioned by anybody ever.

I mean, ever. I had players roll their eyes at guys I sure weren't on them. And they went, nah, how can he played so good after the injury? Why did he start? Hey, why did he? I mean, I heard rumors about everybody, everybody, except Ken Griffey Jr. Probably the greatest baseball individual talent of all time. So that's on the Major League Baseball Network.

that is Sunday. I'm not supposed to direct traffic to other places, but, you know, it's good. I'm going to watch. Listen, I talked about the Michael Jordan documentary for 10 weeks or six weeks, however long it was. So that's a good one. If you're a baseball fan, and I do think we're going to get baseball back. I think a lot of this is public, you know, spitting on each other, the owners and the players. But that, that'll be special because some of the highlights, some of the stuff he did,

some of the stories Harold Reynolds told me were just fantastic. It's just unbelievable. ball. There's a story about he got into a contest at Yankee Stadium once with a teammate and he does something before the game that I didn't know was possible. I honestly did not know it was humanly possible.

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It was officially announced yesterday that HBO's Hard Knocks will follow the Rams and the Chargers this season. This will be the first time the Chargers have ever appeared on Hard Knocks. The Rams were just on it four years ago for their initial season in L.A. So it feels more

like it's Hard Knocks following SoFi Stadium, maybe more. Yeah, I mean, it's funny about it. You don't have Jared Goff doesn't talk and Tyrod Taylor is not like a dynamic personality. So you don't have... We saw him on Hard Knocks before, too, with the Browns and he didn't really say anything. Well, I'm trying to think of who's

outspoken. Derwin James is a talker. Jaylon Ramsey's a talker. Sure. Bosa. The talent's amazing. There'll be stars all over it. But I always feel like it's nothing against Hard Knocks, but

we're getting so much access now to the NFL. This doesn't feel quite as as interesting to me as it used to. Maybe that's why you do two teams. Because now they're not doing twice as many shows. You're just adding more potential storyline. I thought the easy one, although they did Raiders last year, right?

Yeah. All right. Honestly, if I ask you, I think, I'm trying to think, if I said to you, three teams that are interesting, who would you put on hard knocks? I think Miami would two of them. That would be interesting. Although he's not a big talker either, though. No, you're right.

The Browns would always be interesting. All right, Cleveland's one. Sure. Cowboys, I would say, I'm a little biased. Yeah, no, that's fair. Generally, if not, if it gets boring, Jerry will say something interesting. to make it a better TV show. How about this? Wouldn't you like to see Aaron Rogers

behind the scenes? You hear all these stories sniping at teammates, cameras on him all the time. I think Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleur healthy ego, smart guys, a little snark fest here. I would say, so Cleveland,

Dallas, Green Bay. But you know what? Green Bay is not going to do it. And Dallas are also, they're ineligible because of the rules if you make the playoffs. They're too good. There's a lot of rules around it.

So you have admitted multiple times that you watch more Arizona Cardinal games last season than anyone outside of the Phoenix area. Watched, I think, 14 games last year. Of a 5 and 11 team. Yeah. But you're in. You like Kyler Murray. You're buying them.

They're running back. Kenyon Drake was on NFL network yesterday and talked about the excitement for the team heading into 2020. I feel like the hype is wanted, to be honest. When you add, you know, arguably the best receiver in the league and DeAndre Hopkins, the most electric quarterback in the league, and Kyle Murray. You add me to the fold. You add a couple more pieces to the O line on defense. You know, you draft an Army Squiss knife and Isaiah Simmons, you know,

short the D-line and, you know, bring in other people to kind of just, I don't know, just build a great puzzle in what we have in Arizona. I feel like we're going to go out there and, you know, really take the league by storm, especially out of vision. First of all, for our radio listeners, we can't see. That piece of sound and video was with the background of two little dogs behind him. Yeah. I don't know.

That was weird. Secondly, take our division. I like where the Cardinals are heading. They'll score. They'll score some points, but that is, they're still the fourth best team in that division. Oh, yeah. No. I mean, they could be an up-and-coming team, but it doesn't matter if you go one in five against your division opponents.

The Cleveland Browns last year were an interesting bad. team. Arizona could be an incredibly interesting 7 and 9 football team. The NBA is lucky. If a team's bad in the NBA, they're not interesting. If a team in the NHL is bad, they're not interesting. Baseball teams are not interesting when they're bad. The NFL

has the ability, if the quarterback is the right guy, you can be 6 and 10 or 7 and 9 and a great watch. I watched a ton of Arizona last year. They were streaky. They had great quarters and awful ones, terrific halves and terrible ones in the same three-hour stretch. So I

I think they're going to be really interesting and fun and score points, but I just don't think they'll win a lot of games. I think there are 7 and 19. I think they would take that, don't you think? And finally, earlier this offseason, the Patriots placed the franchise tag on Guard Joe Tuny, which means they have until July 15th to reach a long-term deal. If they can't, he'll play the season.

He'll make just under $15 million and then become an unrestricted free agent. I doubt Belichick wants to see a player that good, make a bunch of money, which that's a lot of money for a guard and then walk away. So maybe a trade is possible. According to Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer, the Eagles are a team that might be interested in a trade or if a trade becomes possible. He said, quote, would they take a big swing on someone like New England's franchise tagged All-Pro Guard Joe Tooney? Based on what I know, I think they'd at least explore it. Yep.

Do you think the Patriots would really trade one of their few talented offensive players? Yes. Yes. Now, why would you do that? Because you want Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. This is what I said. So it's to tank. It's not called tank. Sorry, it's to reset.

Yes. If New England, what does New England want? Draft picks and a top five spot in the draft. Because we know outside of Jacksonville, most teams we think will be bad don't need a quarterback. Giants, Cincinnati. This is the move. So if they trade Joe Tuny, you're going to get probably a first or a second round pick. Maybe a second round pick if you traded him.

Okay, I get another pick. So what does New England have for picks now? 10 for next year? They have a lot. Okay. This is my point. I don't even get why people argue it. They know they're not a Super Bowl team.

So if they trade away Joe Tuny, because Philadelphia says we got some old players. We have a two-year window because some of our guys like Fletcher Cox, a lot of their stars are interior stars. They've had some injuries to deal with. So this is exactly what I've done. It's not called tanking. If they trade Tuny, we have officially been.

and right. They are trying to be they'll fight like hell, won't be able to score points. Dante Scarnacki is gone. It's Jared Stidham. You go six and ten. What are you talking? Jared Stidham is the most amazing quarterback that nobody knows about. So I don't even know what you're talking about.

Queen knowledge. If they trade Joe Tuny, can we just acknowledge I was right? Just say. Yes. This is clearly... We'll have someone else voice another proclamation. Yes. So it's a 5 and 11, 6 and 10. And remember the key is, is that the bad teams in the league there's about three we know

or bad. Two don't need quarterbacks. Jacksonville's going to be bad. They're going to get Fields or Trevor Lawrence. But there's two or maybe three elite quarterbacks.

So you just reboot, not cold tanking. You go five and 11. And you have the picks. If you have to move up four spots, you give out four picks to, you know, Washington or whoever. There you go. Veteran newsman John Gullet.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd law. news. Two things. First of all, Debo Samuel broke his foot out for 12 to 16 weeks for the 49ers. Won't be back until October.

My takeaway on that, it doesn't mean a ton. Number one, San Francisco is really their identity. Their DNA is they're a power running football team. Number two, the number one target when throwing is George Kittle at tight end. And number three, they had wide receiver issues last year and they got to the Super Bowl. Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan.

Their DNA, their jenga piece is the offensive line. If that's good, they're good. I don't worry about this at all. It's like Belichick. His jenga piece is cornerback. He trades away pass rushers. He trades away guys who can get after the quarterback. It's all about paying, finding, and developing corners.

So this story means nothing. They had wide receiver issues last year. This is a power football team. I thought they dipped last year when they lost their fullback. this is a non-story. By the way, if I look at my NFC predictions, I'll stick with them. I think it's the Superior Conference.

But of the teams I have getting to the playoffs, Eagles, Vikings, Packers, Saints, Bucks, Seahawks, and 49ers, of those seven teams, we now have seven. Six of them are based on the coach and the quarterback. Minnesota is the exception. The second story I want to get to is Jamal Adams is now demanding a trade. Joe Douglas said he's not going to trade him.

An interesting part of this. You can make argument either way. The virus obviously is more difficult for young quarterbacks, young coaches, or unsettled teams. So the Jets have a new general manager. And in the draft, they went out for specific areas of need. They needed a corner. They drafted it.

They needed a left tackle. They drafted it. They needed a wide receiver. They drafted it. They needed a defensive end. They drafted it. The problem being is they had no OTA. they don't know if they can play.

If those players, if they'd done an OTA and they had a sense that they had solved left tackle, receiver, defensive end, corner, guess what? You could pay Jamal Adams because you know you've got four or five potential starters at key spots. That's where the virus is tough, not just because Darnold's young,

but this is a team that has a team that has four or five areas of need. They know Jamal Adams is great. They don't have any sense if any of these draft picks are ready to play now. If they had an OTA, if you're moving into camp, you'd have a much greater sense, and I think they'd wrap up Jamal Adams.

And I think they will wrap them up. But for the Jets, I don't doubt they don't want 10 to 15 practices to take a look at their draft picks. Because I thought they had a really, really potentially explosive draft. They just don't know. They have no idea. Albert Brear, some NFL thoughts on the Joe Tuny rumor, Philadelphia, Patriots,

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from the Dallas Morning News to the Boston Globe. Now he's at Monday morning quarterback. A friend of the show. We love having him on. Albert Brewery is joining me now. at the Coward Global Satellite Network. Right, let's start with the story. We just talked about 10 minutes ago.

I have said I do think New England's rebooting. I think they want a quarterback. I think there's three next year. And then the Joe Tooney rumor comes out, and I think, okay, here we go. More draft picks. Move off an offensive line. It's not tanking.

It's called they've got a lot of equity with all their titles. It's rebooting and knowing this is the down year. Let's let sit them play and go get a superstar quarterback out of college. So just update us on what you hear on Eagles, Patriots and Tuny. Well, you know, I think this is going to be an interesting summer as far as trades go because teams haven't gotten a good look at their rosters. Colin, they normally have two months in the bank right now.

And so you really don't have an idea on how certain positions are going to evolve like you would at this point. And it especially goes for teams that have had an injury. And now losing Brandon Brooks, that's a big deal for the Philadelphia Eagles. They have two or three guys they really like in the pipeline. They've invested in their offensive line coach Jeff Stout. But Howie Roseman's history, if you go back over the years, is to invest in the offensive and defensive lines. And this is a position where if it becomes a position of need, if they get a few weeks in the camp and see it's a position of need,

I certainly wouldn't rule out the idea that Howie Roseman is making calls. And I can tell you, without a doubt, that Joe Tuny is a player that they really like. And if they had had a need there, if Brandon Brooks wasn't there in March, they would have made a serious runner to them. Wow. Jamal Adams wants out. Joe Douglas wants to pay him. Now, they pay Lavian Bell, C.J. Mosley, big money. They don't pay Donald anything. The offensive lines more expensive than last year, but not cost prohibitive. You know, he's got two years left. Where does this thing end up? You know, I had a couple of moles kind of whispered to me last fall when the whole thing was happening with the Cowboys. Jamal Adams is watching what Jalen Ramsey is doing and really looked at Jail and Ramsey. and saw a player of a similar sort of caliber that forced his way out of a situation. And so I think Jamal Adams has sort of looked at this as a potential option if the contract

talks didn't go the way that they hoped they'd go. And on top of that, Colin, the holdout rules now that are going in under the new CBA are incredibly, incredibly tough on players. So if you want to make a drive for a contract, you may have to do it earlier. I think that's part of what Jamal Adams is doing right now. in seeing if somebody else out there is willing to give him what he wants monetarily. And the Jets have some relationship building to do with Adams, too. There have been some, I'd say, just some strained relations there

between their star player and Adams. The one guy he's really close to in the building is the defensive coordinator, Greg Williams, who may wind up being the key to the entire thing. All right, Colin Kaepernick's names out there. A couple of coaches have commented your gut feeling on, Anthony Lynn called it the workout list, which teams have all Monday all NFL season long. What do you hear on Kaepernick?

I think he's going to have an opportunity. I think this is really going to come down to how he sort of looks at the opportunities that are presented to him. And what I mean by that is we've seen the NFL manufactured jobs for guys in the past. If he's presented with something that looks like that to him, is he going to see it as patronizing? And is he willing to take a job on low money that has no guarantee? that he's going to make the roster. Remember, in 2016, his last NFL season, he was in the

trade block for part of that year. And that summer, he was no guarantee to make the San Francisco 49ers roster. So that's the sort of situation he'd be walking into. And so I think a few things have to fall into place. But I do think some opportunity is going to be presented to him. And it's sort of going to depend on how he looks at those opportunities and what he wants out of those opportunities. So Sean McVe, coach of the Rams said this week, he goes, they don't want us to have contact. Football is a contact sport. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. not sure exactly how this stuff all works with the pandemic. It should be noted in Germany.

They're playing soccer. In Korea, they're playing baseball. We've got a lot of sports here, and they're playing. We got leagues around the world. In this pandemic, they're playing. Where are we at with the NFL? They're in white and sea mode. You know, they put out that set of protocols last week,

and I really sort of look at that as like a press release, you know, to show everybody how serious they're going to take COVID-19 and the effects it might have on their players and coaches. but behind the scenes, they've talked a lot about how over the next month, a lot of stuff could change. You're going to have baseball having started up, hockey, basketball. You're going to have more evidence what's happening over in Europe with those soccer leagues. And so I think what you saw last week with those protocols was sort of a framework. We're going to scale down from these, but this is what we're starting with.

And I could tell you what John Harbaugh said last week, every coach I've talked to since to a man agrees with John Harbaugh and feels like it would be impossible to run an NFL training camp under the protocols that they set out. So I would expect that there are going to be some adjustments. They've met this week. They still have some things they need to present to the union, the idea of expanded practice squads, the idea of a special COVID-19 reserve list. But I'm just telling you, Colin, they're really counting on the fact that this is going to look different a month from now than it does today. Mike McCarthy, there was a list that came out.

Fox Bet today had a list of how many points is every coach in the NFL worth? and Mike McCarthy was ahead of Pete Carroll aligned with Andy Reid and Sean McVeigh. And my theory was we were forced to pick aside years ago because everybody said Aaron's a goat, why is not he winning more and more and more games? And so we were all forced to pick aside. Aaron's great McCarthy is a bum. So this Dallas thing is fascinating to me because if McCarthy flourishes with Dak Prescott, Aaron's numbers went down last year.

We're going to have to reevaluate the problem. in Green Bay. Do you suspect, Aaron will, I mean, it looks like they're drafting a team to not be as reliant on him. I guess my question is, your worldview of McCarthy when you talk to people in the NFL, how do you view him as a coach and how do you think it works in Dallas? I honestly thought for a time he was an innovator. And I know he wasn't looked at that way at the end, but you know who wasn't looked at

as an innovator back like eight years ago was Andy Reid. And the feeling in Philadelphia was that everything had gotten a little stale and a lot of the same old ideas were getting recycled. You know, and then he goes to Kansas City. He decides, I'm going to reinvent myself. He brought in Chris Alt from the University of Nevada to bring in some spread concepts, traded for Alex Smith. And now he's, again, looked at as one of the top offensive innovators in the game. And so I really think so much of this is up to Mike McCarthy. I think he showed motivation over the course of the last year to really change.

change and move forward as a coach, and now we get to see it. So Mike McCarthy is incredibly respected in the coaching ranks. And now, you know, I think he's got an opportunity to show that there is a Mike McCarthy 2.0 in there the same way in Kansas City we've seen that there was an Andy Reid 2.0 that may be better than the Andy Reid 1.0. Finally, you know, this pandemic is changing everything. I saw Dabo Sweeney got hurt for the 49ers. I thought, God, last year they went out and got Emmanuel Sanders.

They're a deal-making organization. Philadelphia, the Rams are deal-making organizations. Does the pandemic in a minute and a half here change the way teams could do business with trades, per se? It does because there's a lot of uncertainty about what the cap's going to look like going forward, right? Like so, and it's not so much the 2020 cap. It's the 2021 cap. If there's a big revenue shortfall in 2020, that means the cap through the formula would go down. in 2021, but the league in the union is not going to let that happen. So they're going to have to

start borrowing from future years. So they borrow from 2022, borrow from 2023. And that could that could amount to, Colin, is a flat cap for the next three or four years. And if that's the result of all of this, it might be more difficult to trade for someone like Jamal Adams, because you look at it and you say to yourself, we got to trade for him. So we're going to give up draft picks, which is cheap labor. And then we're going to bring him in here and pay them at the top of the market, that sort of math, I think, becomes a little bit more difficult for teams when there's so much financial uncertainty moving forward. Great stuff. All sorts of news. NFL reporter Albert Brewer, I can hear your kids in the background, go have fun with them on a Friday.

Thank you very much, bud. All right. Thanks, Colin. Have a great weekend. You bet. James Connor, running back, excellent running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've said, I don't know what to make of the Steelers this year. I am almost as a general rule, pro-stealer. I just kind of trust the Rooney's and Kevin Colbert and Tomlin and Big Ben. I don't know what kind of shape he's in. I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. Still like their old line.

Love their defensive front. So he will be joining us. Good stuff. All right. Last hour, James Connor and James McIntyre. Joy is back Monday. She's in Miami. Of course she's having a great time.

Everybody does in Miami. And Goula, you've done a yeoman effort so far. I was anointed king of quarterback opinions. Very good Friday for me. Hour three next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

Here we go. Show's flying by. Hope this is our best hour. It's hour three. We're live in Los Angeles. This is The Herd, wherever you may be. However you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, 10-year anniversary, wedding anniversary today. And you worked?

Yeah, no, I don't drink champagne in the morning. I don't even like champagne. It's got too much sugar. But I'm going to have a little champagne tonight. 10 years. Goulet, this whole marriage thing, settle down, make you sleep better at night, got somebody there for you.

You may want to consider that. Quite a lifestyle. Now, you go to bed very early, so that may cancel you right out. You can't watch every single game you want to when you're married. Sometimes you have to give up that Wisconsin and Michigan State football game on a Saturday night to go out and, you know, celebrate a wedding anniversary.

You don't have to give up the Ohio State Michigan game. When you get married, you don't have to give up the Super Bowl. That would be too far. I couldn't possibly give that up. Yeah. You don't have to give up like Mayweather, Connor McGregor. I took my wife to that. When you get married, you don't have to give up the headline games. But you can't say Denver Nuggets, Utah Jazz, and a Tuesday after Monday night football. That's out. You got to give that up. You got to give up like Purdue,

Wisconsin noon start Fox Sports. Got to give that one up. Giving up Purdue, how will I ever live? James Conner of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm not sure if he's married. Maybe we'll stay away from that topic. Good running back.

Big year, who knows? He'll be joining us in 15 minutes. And Jason McIntyre tomorrow's headlines today, wrapping up as he always done in funny fashion a Friday for us. So reports are that Jamal Adams, I believe he's one of the top ten players in the NFL. unbelievable. Best safety in the league right now has requested a trade out of New York,

and it's pretty obvious which teammate will be the most affected. Like I have always said, forever about young quarterbacks where you land is so important. Think about Sam Darnold. So Sam Darnold gets there in the 2018 draft. No other player for the Jets in that draft has really hit. He's hit. The following year in the draft, one of the worst drafts I've ever seen by any team one guy appears to be able to play, Quentin Williams. Star, doubtful. Player, decent. Take Josh Allen.

In the year he got drafted, the same as Sam Darnold, 2018. In that draft alone, the Buffalo Bills drafted a linebacker in the first round. Trumane Edwards, Edmonds. He's already a pro bowler. By the way, last year's draft for Buffalo. They got a starter on the defensive end in the first round. They got a starter at right tackle in the second round. at running back in the third round and a starter at

tied end in the fourth round. Just look at wide receiver. Sam Darnold's best wide receiver. He's gone now, Robbie Anderson. Carolina got him for almost nothing. Josh Allen for Buffalo at wide receiver? They've added Cole Beasley in the slot. Stefan Diggs, a superstar,

and a free agent John Brown who gives you 1,000 yards. That's just at wide receiver. That's just at the primary spot you need. Buffalo already has rebuilt their offensive line. The Jets are trying to, fingers crossed. Josh Allen inherits a really, really Sean McDermott good head coach, and McDermott's got a buddy who's the GM. They've shown to be incredibly capable drafting in free agency.

The coach and GM for the Jets right now, cross your fingers. The first two were already canned. Where you land matters. about 75 to 80% of it. That's why when Sam Darnold at the end of last year, after Mono, went six and two down the stretch with a bad O line, 13 TD's four picks, 93 and a half passer rating, ran for two touchdowns. I said, this is crazy impressive. And this is why I wonder how Joe Burrow flourishes in Cincinnati.

We just don't consider us. In life, we acknowledge, oh, yeah, good parents, good kid. In the NFL, it's like, well, he's got a lot of talent. Josh Allen is a complete project. The two times Josh Allen at Wyoming and college played decent teams, Iowa and Oregon, he was dreadful. He was terrible. Then you put him in the NFL, and he's actually more consistent.

He's got better mechanics. He's more dependable in the NFL in college. So consider that when I criticize Joe Burrow. It's not really about him as much as it is the people he'll have to pull, the Bengal organization. Jamal Adams, great player. You can make an argument to keep him or move him. The name of the game in this sport is drafting well, finding stars, and then resigning him. Probably what I do.

So I saw something that I thought was very interesting. So Fox Bet came out with something yesterday. It's called spread value of coaches. How many points is your coach worth? Now, we all know, you know, Bill Belichick's worth some points, right? Nobody would deny that. And, you know, we know Joe Judge with the New York Giants right now probably isn't worth any points, not yet. So they came out Fox Bet, and the names at the top are not surprising.

Bill Belichick is worth a field goal. Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reed, Sean McVeigh, Doug Peterson, Pete Carroll, Sean McDermine. What? Number eight is Mike McCarthy? Mike McCarthy is worth mostly the same as Sean McVeigh? What?

He's worth more than Pete Carroll and Doug Peterson? He's almost same as Andy Reed. Well, how's that possible? I'm just going to ask you a couple questions. Did you know that Mike McCarthy's winning percentage? plus a Super Bowl is higher than Pete Carroll's, John Harbaugh, and Andy Reed. 62% did you know that? Did you know that Mike McCarthy has more playoff wins than Vince Lombardi,

Tony Dungey, Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton, Jimmy Johnson, and Mike Shanahan? Yeah, the guy that looks like a Chicago cop. Did you know that? How is it possible? Fox Bet says he's better coach than Pete Carroll, right up there with Andy Reed. Why? Because we were forced to take a side. In Green Bay, we had to pick a side, right? The media was so, and this is so American media in 2020, political reports,

was so giddy with Aaron Rogers. At one point, they were calling him the goat. I'm not making it up. We were calling him the goat. Marino, Elway, Peyton, Farr, Stoback, Tom Brady, the goat? But the media foaming made us pick aside. How come Aaron's not winning more? How come he's not winning more Super Bowls?

So the media said, Aaron is great and Mike McCarthy's a Milwaukee cop. But here's the funny thing is that McCarthy left and Aaron Rogers numbers went down. Is completion percentage down slightly? Is passer rating down slightly? 400 yards a game or 400 yards total for the season went now. with Devante Adams. That was with an improved defense. It's not like the Bears were good last year.

It's not like Detroit wasn't a complete grease fire last year. The division was worse than the year before. How is that possible? The Bears weren't as good as the previous year. The Lions were terrible because Matt Stafford was out. Minnesota was about the same. Not quite as good, but pretty good. Dalvin Cook got hurt.

And the numbers went down. Is it possible that we always gave Aaron way too much credit? and Mike McCarthy not enough credit. I mean, it should be noted that Russell Wilson has more fourth quarter comebacks than Aaron Rogers despite almost 50 fewer NFL starts. Well, we'll find the answer out this year.

Okay, so right now, if you think Aaron's the reason they want, and Mike is just nothing, we're going to find out. And we're going to know probably by December 10th, December 15th. Because Mike McCarthy now takes over the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott, who none of you think is great. You think he's good. You think he's his franchise guy. You think he's solid.

You think he's a good leader. You think he's reliable. But you don't think he's Farr. You don't think he's Brady. You don't think he's Breed. You don't think... If Mike McCarthy wins in Dallas and Dak Prescott flourishes, can we all then be authentic and honest and acknowledge?

Due to the fact we were forced to pick sides, we always gave Aaron way too much credit, and we never gave Mike McCarthy enough. I mean, he's not flashy. He doesn't have the square jaw. He's not John Harbaugh. He's not incredible at the mic like Mike Tomlin. He doesn't look as good for his age as Pete Carroll.

He didn't have that Sean McVeigh cool factor, the Kyle Shanahan cool factor. Maybe he just can coach. Maybe because Aaron is so cool and Mike's not cool at all, that persuaded us to have one is a goat and what is a bum. But we will know by December 1st if we were over our skis on that. You know, I did ask my friend Ryan Rusillo earlier about this, who I've known for years.

And I said, do you buy into my, we just, we were, you know, forced to take aside. Aaron's great. McCarthy's no good. And that Foxbet has, McCarthy is an elite coach. And here was Ryan Rissillo's response to me. This is Cowherd 101. You are psyched because you found a little bit of evidence that maybe backs your anti-Rogers stuff, okay? And then the brilliance of you, which only guys that do it for a living can quite figure.

You're asking me in a question a way where I have to kind of agree with you because you're being so soft in the way you're pedaling it. We're like, is it possible? Could it remotely? Is there a 1% chance that? I would agree that Rogers has some holes lately that I did not expect to see. But what I would say is that you've been on this for so long that this. guy was the best. He's the best door of the football I think I've ever seen up into

maybe Mahomes. And yes, there's some declining numbers when you really dig into it that are alarming. But now McCarthy by a gambling website is ranked the eighth best and now that means you were right about Rogers for a decade. That's a reach. I get called out. You ever notice that? Who gets called out? Gottlieb

calls me out. Rossillo today calling me out and Nick Wright. Clat. I mean, seriously. I mean, you know, America's media icon. Can't get a break from his friends. And those are my friends. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays

at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. So I am flying after the show today, and what's interesting is I've been on a few airplanes in the last couple of months. There's nobody at the airport. So I

live pretty close to LAX, which is one of the busiest airports in the world, certainly in the United States, but there's nobody there. And so I've never done an interview with anybody at an airport, but James Connor of the Steelers is my first. He is at the airport. He is joining us live via the Coward Global Satellite Network. I want to see this. Hold on. Okay. So your airport looks like my airport. So where are you flying to today? I fly on a Fort Lauderdale. Oh, beautiful place.

So first thing I have to ask you, you're a workout guy. you're a workout guy you're in tremendous shape last time i saw a workout video you james you were throwing logs around are you still doing that how is your training going now well that that was the early stages of the quarantine so uh no no more logs but the training is going really really well i've been training up in Pittsburgh um head to flor for a lot of day able to get some training in now but uh you know it's going great my body feels great i feel healthy so excited about all what's to come have you been able to workout with any Steeler teammates anywhere to this point, James? Yeah, I got a couple workouts in with Juju, with Switzer.

Ben, we threw it around. A couple guys on offense got together. So, yeah, we've been getting good work. Now, I've said I don't know what to make of the Steelers because Ben's 37-38, he comes off a really debilitating injury. Have you been around? Apologies. That's okay. All right.

It's the first time for everything. Yeah. So have you practiced with Ben at all? Yeah. Yeah, we were throwing out of that video that's playing. You know, I was in that video, and he was thrown around to us, and he's been looking good. Tell me about how he looked.

How did the ball feel? How did you feel? I feel like he's back. You know, he has no fear. You know, I trust his word. He said he feels healthy, so, you know, he's been slinging that thing around, and we're excited about it. So the Steelers, you still hold, I think, the all-time ACC record for its most rushing touchdowns in a season.

You can be a workhorse. There's no question about that. You've done that before. How do you envision your role as the Steelers? What is an ideal Sunday for you, James? Well, first and foremost, it's a victory. You know, it's always a good Sunday when we win, no matter how much we win by. So a victory, first and foremost.

And then it's a game that, you know, the run game was going solid. You know, backscat involves. You know, I believe in my talents, you know, get 100 on the ground. You know, the victory is the most important thing. But as long as we get the run game going and, you know, we make some nice runs, a couple first downs. That's all good. You know, Mike Tomlin is known as a defensive coach.

Does he sort of allow Ben to run the offense? Do you always have a sense that what Ben wants to do is what you guys do, when you go to the line of scrimmage? Man, I just execute the plan in the plays that we're calling the huddle. Ben, obviously, it's earned his trust. And so, you know, when he's out there, you know, we're behind him. And it's definitely a group effort, you know, it takes everybody to win. And so, Coach, he always says he doesn't care what good ideas come from.

We, you know, we make it work. And so, you know, I just execute, you know, my job. How is Mike Tomlin? Because he is one of the great communicators in the league. He looks like a guy that could still play. How is he different? Take every coach you've ever had in your life in football. How is Mike Tomlin different to you?

Coach T's awesome. Well, it's a different coach because it's a different level. We're professionals. It's my professional coach. So obviously, the jobs, it's obviously more serious. I mean, we're getting paid to do this. But I think he's a phenomenal leader. You know, I hope he can coach me as long as possible.

I want to stay. I respect all my football coaches, and he's my current coach, and it's the one I respect right now. James Connor joining us. When you look at the COVID situation, most young athletes that get it, it's asymptomatic. You wouldn't know you had it. That's like half the people who get it. When you talk about all these protocols, go here, go here, don't go here. How are you living your life?

Do you worry all about it as a professional athlete? I could argue that you're the safest person on the planet because you're a great athlete. you're young, you'd be asymptomatic. Do you talk about this with your friends, your family? How are you dealing with it? I'm just following the guidelines and doing everything they say to do. You know, I got my mask. My mask is right here.

I just took it off for the interview, so I don't think I'm not masked up in the airport. But, you know, I'm just following all precautions. You know, I've seen other people getting it, and so obviously it's real. So we just have to be safe and take all precautions. You were actually diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. about four to five years ago, you are now cancer-free. Did that ever change your perspective on life, on football? Did that change you at all, James?

Yeah, for sure. You know, going through what I went through at a young age, I think I definitely matured quick. And I have to grow up quick. I talk about all that in my book, Fear is a Choice. And so I definitely believe, you know, just the adversity that I went through, you know, prepared me for the adversity that I'm going to be coming up next with, and, you know, which everybody deals with his adversity. You can't really escape it.

So I think it definitely prepared me. Fear is a choice is his book. For the record, you played at Pitt with Aaron Donald. I just saw a poll the other day. He was considered the best pure football player in America in terms of grading.

So when you're playing with Aaron Donald, the first time you saw him at Pitt, like, did you know? Did you have any idea? Was he, I remember him in college, but did you know immediately, my lord, this guy's going to be unbelievable? Yeah, we definitely knew it. It was definitely obvious after the first practice. You could just see his work ethic, how we practice and how it translated.

We always knew that he was destined, you know, for greatness, just a high motor. You know, sometimes couldn't even practice with him just because inside run, you know, he'd be on the ball care before he can get the ball. So it was quite obvious that he was going to be. a problem. His book is Fear is a choice. So when do you believe you will finally, you're going to Fort Lauderdale now to get some workouts in? When have you been told when is your best guess on when you will report to the Steelers? You know, I really don't have a guess. We've been planning about here. I'm itching to get back, but I'm thinking maybe hopefully we can start training camp on time. I know training camp is late July. And so right now, just planning for

July, sometime mid to late July. James, you tend to be, you can be an interior runner, you guys can take a beating. Is this actually because of the virus and not the OTA? Is this the healthiest, the best you've felt? Could you actually argue this has been a great benefit for you

to not have as much practice? Well, you know, I can handle practice as well, but this time, this free time, I've definitely been focusing on my body. I think we've got to make advantage and take advantage of any time that you have all. I definitely, you know, my teammate at Pitt, Aaron Donald would tell me, you know,

every year you just got to work a little harder. So still in a process and I'm still getting better. So my body feels good. All right. Fourth year entering at Benner Pro Bowler, it's James Connor. He is sitting, I would imagine, in the Pittsburgh airport. And he's got his mask and he's heading to Fort Lauderd Air to work out. We appreciate you stopping by the show.

Awesome. Thank you, brother. All right. Good stuff. James Connor. Veteran Newsman John Guley. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

So, Colin, I have a little bit of an update on what Jamal Adams might want from his new team potentially. Okay. Where are you getting this from? ESPN reporter Jeremy Fowler tweeted this out a couple hours ago. Jamal Adams' future contract demands loom large in trade talks. If you want to pay among top defensive players, which one source whose team has looked into Adams believes, that's well above 20 million per year. Yeah. While the safety market is below 15 million, 20 million a year for a safety.

Yeah, that's not. So I got to trade a first round pick and maybe then some and then make him one of the top paid defensive players. I love Jamal Adams. I think he's great. I'm a Cowboys fan. I would love to have him. Not for that, though. I can't do $20 million and a first round pick.

Well, the other thing is now that that's out in the public space, what team would trade for him. I'm not trading for that. I mean, again, Jalen Ramsey's a corner and he's really, really good. How much value did he have to the Rams at the end of last year? I mean, it's Stefan Gilmore is one of only, I think, Lattimore and New Orleans. There's about two to three corners I'd pay big money for. It's just the reality that's like tight end. I can argue Kittl and Travis Kelsey are worth 12 to 15, but safety's just not worth that much.

We've talked about this before. if you took a football team and you were a general manager, anybody listening to me, and you said, so you just count the number of positions. I said, you're going to build a team, and your first eight players are all going to be good, guaranteed. Where would you put them? You'd go quarterback, left tackle, pass rusher. I think a lot of people would go with the new football, wide receiver, interior defensive line,

corner, I'm at six. Now I need my seventh. I don't think I'd go, I think I'd go back to the offensive line. I'd go center because he calls the audibles. So I, you know, when you start, I'd go right tackle. I'm just not sure if even the best safety in the league,

can you make him one of your three highest paid players? It's really hard. Can't pop anybody anymore. Like a lot of the impact of safety is, those big hits, a lot of those are gone. It's just, doesn't it deal with the Jets make more sense? You know what?

If you were, I saw yesterday that he put out a little, list of the teams he wanted to play for. Well, it was the teams everybody wants to play for. It's, you know, the Ravens and the 49ers. There's just no money for that stuff. So, you know, if I said to you, there's a really good team. God could they use a safety? It's Dallas.

But Dallas has seven, six elite contracts. So they're out. And a bad defense adding one great player, it's, they're still going to be a bad defense, right? I mean, they had Byron Jones last year and they couldn't, their secondary was still really bad. So, yeah, he'd be the best safety they've had since Darren Woodson. He can't fix the entire defense. You're not going to get the money you want and the good team.

Like, if you want to go to Cincinnati, fine. But find me the really good team that would pay big money for a safety. Baltimore is a really good team. They have a loaded secondary. They already pay Earl Thomas. They're not going to pay another one. So I think you have to be realistic about this. Remember, he's got two years left on his contract.

Now, Zieg got a deal two years left at running back. an equally precarious financial position. But I think Zeke in Dallas star running back with DAC made a lot of sense. So the Raiders proved this offseason that they are trying to get better on offense. They selected three receivers in the first three rounds of the draft, signed Jason Witten, running back Devante Booker and receiver Nelson Aguilar. Last year, the Raiders put up a lot of yards. They were 11th in yards.

24th in points, though. That ain't good. Ted and Darren Waller said on Sirius XM, NFF. radio that he thinks the Raiders can really take a step up with all the offensive talent on the team this year. I feel like just if you look at things across the board, starting with the office line and the quarterback, the improvement at the receiver position, you know, tight ends, trying to be consistent. Again, as a group, I feel like our offense has the potential to do a lot of great things, put up a lot of great numbers.

And the big thing for us is just finishing in the red zone this year. I know that we're doing everything that isn't our power to improve upon that. I know we will. So I feel like I don't see a top five offense being out of the time. picture. I feel like we have that much talent. We have guys that are buying in and we're going to have a balanced system. And, you know, I have high expectations. I feel like

everyone else would tell you something. You know, I was thinking about this. So the draft was in late April and we knew by March, we had a pandemic, right? So there was about five, six weeks ahead because as March 11th, the NBA delayed the season or posed, that didn't postpone.

They delayed the season. So it was March 11th. So the draft was six weeks later. If you thought that pandemic was going to limit OTAs, and most of us did by the draft, because remember the virus was really hitting. You can argue the teams that loaded up in the draft on wide receivers, the advantage is the one group you can train during a pandemic is wide receivers and tight ends, because Derek Carr, we're seeing video here, can take all the new guys, go to a park and play. Like Sam Darnold, that's the advantage. Like the Raiders drafted the position that can

actually be in great shape and work out during a pandemic. You can't do these massive offensive line drills. Plus they're in Vegas. It's not tough to convince a couple receivers. Hey, why don't you fly out to Vegas and we'll run some drills and then you can go out at night? I mean, that's an easy place to get people to come to. And they're doing it out in 110 degree heat. So they're getting in shape.

Offensively, they're going to be really good. That's really not the question. The question is, can they stop anybody? And does John Gruden actually like Derek Carr? I don't have a definitive answer for either of those questions. Yeah, neither do I. I like Derek Carr more than John Gruden. For sure.

Yeah. But Mario daisy isn't probably getting some of this work in, so is he going to be behind? So then do you just have to stick in the car? Derek Carr is better than Marcus Mariotta. Sure. Absolutely. But Gruden always likes the other guy. Yes.

No matter who it is. That's who John, that's John's DNA. So the Browns have one of the best duos in the league at wide receiver. They get a lot of the attention, obviously, with OBJ and Jarvis Landry. But their duo of running backs might actually be the better combo on their own team. Nick Chub and Kareem Hunt are both Pro Bowl-level running back. and Brown's offensive coordinator, Alex Van Pelt, thinks they need to keep both of them on the field as much as possible. I think you'd be crazy not to have your most talented guys on the field and whatever package that is.

So I would assume that we would be crazy not to put those two guys on the field together at the same time because they are both dynamic as runners and pass guys and protectives. Well, they're also going to be a running team. That was going to be my question to you. We always talk about Baker and OBJ. They'll run. They have two good running. backs and a coach that we think wants to just run the ball. Well, that's Stefansky's whole thing. Now, Stafansky could throw the ball deep because he had

Adam Thielen and Stefan Diggs, but Stifansky is a, his offensive history tells you, he'll take some shots down the field, but he wants ball control. Remember, he had Case Keenham. So in Keenham is sort of my Baker. Baker's got a better arm, but he, size and style and athletic ability, I think Baker's sort of Case Keenon with a better arm. We saw what they did with Dalvin Cook last year. He was the focal point of that offense. And they have two guys that can run the ball in this team. That's why Pro Football Focus has Baker, field's 2020 projections really low.

They haven't throwing 20 touchdown passes and throwing for 3,500 yards. This is going to be a run team. That's what Cleveland's going to be. And finally, other sports are on hold right now, but horse racing is still running strong. We have top tier races on FS1 and FS2 throughout the month of June. You can go to

America's bestracing.net slash strong to learn more. And one of the biggest horse races of the year is tomorrow with the first leg of the Triple Crown, the Belmont Stakes. It's the first time ever that Belmont will take place before the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness. I know you're a big Triple Crown guy.

Well, this year, the Belmont, which is, you ever been to Belmont? It straddles the Queens Long Island line there. It used to be a mile and a half now. This year it's a mile and an eighth because the horses haven't been trained as much. So I don't miss Triple Crown races. They're great. I've never been to Belmont, but it's supposed to be a zoo, just a party. I yes I that's it's weird having that be the first one this year normally it's kind of at the end right it's like the big part and now it's like oh this is the this is the first one this is usually kind of the this is the phoenix open yes it's the phoenix open of pga belmont's the party right Kentucky derby is sort of the bougie stars a lot of private jets a lot of money crowd belmont's just bud light and let's kick it all Saturday good stuff veteran newsman john

Gulli. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Well, I wrap up every Friday show with one of my favorite segments and one of my favorite guys, Jason McIntyre, formerly of the big lead stops by. He has an uncanny ability to make bizarre predictions and they come true. It's called Tomorrow's Headlines Today, and he'll be joining us next in The Herd.

Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. By the way, Goulet, have you flown yet during the pandemic? Not yet. So today I'll be the third time I have flown. I've flown Delta because they have the flights to where I go. And it's only about 60% full. It's amazing. There's never, there's no traffic at these American airports.

So James Connor just joined us in the Pittsburgh airport. There was nobody there. What's funny is you get on the planes and there's not many people. They close the door. You take off. I've been early. I've taken off. not when you go to the airport and it says four o'clock flight, but you take off at 4.30.

You like take off within five minutes of the time. And you're early, like 20 minutes everywhere. So it's actually the experience of flying. It won't last forever. The airlines I'm on, they've been great. They give you something when you walk on the plane. They don't take too much time. There you go.

All right. Jason McIntyre joins us via the Cower Global Satellite Network. Have you been on a plane yet since the pandemic? Have not. You have not? No, but we're looking into. Now, your Utah flight is like 90 minutes, right? Right.

It's a short flight. We're looking to go across the country to see some family members. We're looking at like a six-hour flight. You know, that's a little different with two small kids. I'm trying to get both of them to wear a diaper, and they're like, no, Dad, I'm not wearing a diaper on the flight. Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't like to wear diapers either, even though I'm in my mid-50s.

So here we go. All right. It's called Tomorrow's Headlines Today. What will be the headline? for the team that lands disgruntled Jamal Adams. I still, you know, I'm still very upset about this petulant young star demanding a trade. The headline will be, that's Jamal, folks. Get him out of town, trade him the Baltimore Ravens.

I know this definitely. They're interested in Jamal Adams. Remember, the last time we saw the Ravens, they got trucked by Derek Henry in the playoffs. Can't stop the run. Their linebackers are weak. We know about the Earl. situation during the quarantine. I think Jamal Adams makes a lot of sense in Baltimore.

And, of course, Joe Douglas, the Jets, GMs spent a lot of time working in the Ravens organization. Great relationship. Colin, it just upsets me that a guy who's been in the league for about five minutes, right, three seasons. He has two years left on his deal. He's demanding a trade. And if you look at the list of teams, he's like, I just want to go to the best teams in the league. I'm out of here. I'm done with this.

Like, who are you? What have you done? He know he's a very good player, top five safety in the league, but Colin, I'm sorry. Like, this is, this attitude is unbecoming of somebody. Maybe Jerry Jones overpays, but if I'm the Jets, peace. See you later, Jamal Adams. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because you could fetch some money for him, but now that it's public that he wants $20 million a year, I think the trade market dries up.

So if you're the Jets, I mean, again, I think the new GM's a solid guy. I really do. I think Joe Douglas, I thought the draft was pretty good by Jet standards. But, you know, once it's out there that I want $20 million as a safety, I think the market. Colin, he said he wants to be the highest paid jet. C.J. Mosley, I think, is making $17 million. Yep. Okay, you're not paying a safety.

$17 million. Honey Badger made 14 mil. He's a great cover safety for the chiefs, help them instrumentally on that defense. Jamal Adams is like an in-the-box safety. One of those guys who's great at rushing the quarterback and tackling in the backfield. It's a passing league. I'm not paying him $15 million. Sorry.

All right. tomorrow's headlines today. What's the headline for the Rams this season? Yeah, the Rams are going to be featured on Hard Knocks. Very exciting out here in L.A. I'm sure at some point you will be featured in Hard Knots. The headline, unfortunately, will be Gough the Deep End. Listen, I like the Rams organization.

I've been to plenty of games. This season is not going to go well for them. They paid Jared Gough. And Colin, we talk about this endlessly on the show. Like when you pay your quarterback, top dollar, you got $110 million, you lose elsewhere. Colin, they lost their second and third leading sack artist, Dante Fowler, play Matthews. Of course, Todd Gurley's gone. Brandon Cooks is gone.

They lost their leading tackler at linebacker. I have the Rams finishing last in the NFC West. It's been a big fall since the Super Bowl two years ago. It feels to me like the Rams are kind of taking a gap year, Colin, to kind of recalibrate and see what's going on because they're going to be they lost a lot. I don't see a great season ahead for McVeigh. Well, it's funny because my theory was, though, was when

LeBron got in town for the Lakers, that meant you had the Lakers and you had the Dodgers that draw so many fans. You had a new MLS team and they were building a new stadium. And so they went out and signed some stars and gave up draft picks. I thought they were doing what is

probably you shouldn't do, but I understood it, which is some of the decisions were business over football, They roll the dice on a couple of big signings. I didn't like the Cook signing. I didn't like the girly signing. I can argue in favor of the Goff signing. But to your point, now I think they lack depth, and it's a roll of the dice year.

So tomorrow's loaded. Yeah. Tomorrow's headlines today. Headline for the Chargers this season. Now, they're also going to be featured on Hard Knocks, and a lot of Kaepernick talk. We'll get to that momentarily. I'm bullish on the Chargers, Colin. the headline will be bolting to the playoffs.

Yes, in the loaded AFC West, I've been hearing you cheerlead for the Denver Broncos. I like the Chargers a lot. Now, what happened last year was Philip Rivers, who we like a lot, right? Philip Rivers, good quarterback. He's going to the Hall of Fame. He was an abject failure last year,

20 interceptions, a turnover machine. And remember, Tyrod Taylor, Colin, got the Buffalo bill to the playoffs a year ago a couple years back by simply not turning the football over. Now you give him real weapons. Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Hunter Henry. I don't think the Melvin Gordon loss is significant. The defense is very good.

Derwin James, of course. We talk about safeties. Ingram Bosa. This is a playoff team. And I just want to quickly chime in here on Kaepernick. Colin, I understand a lot of people want Kaepernick in the league. And that may happen. I don't think the chargers are the right thing.

They just drafted Justin Herbert, what, fifth overall, sixth overall? And what are you going to do if you don't carry three quarterbacks? Are you going to make your rookie? Justin Herbert inactive every week because you got Kaepernick backing up Tyrod Taylor. I don't know that that's a great fit for Kaepernick, but I do like this charges team a lot this year. All right. Tomorrow's headlines today.

What will be the headline for the coach that wins Coach of the Year? I'm interested here. Yes, yes. Well, you know, I don't love this team a lot this year, but I like the potential and the coach, and I'm hedging my bets. The headline for Coach of the Year will be, I want to be. be, I want to be like my. Like Mike McCarthy.

How about Mike McCarthy, Colin? This guy knows offense. He's been coaching quarterbacks, offensive coordinator, head coach for 20 years now. And he basically gets handed a Ferrari. Cowboys' offense top five in efficiency last year. I know they lost one offensive lineman, Frederick. That's a big loss.

But they still have Ezekiel Elliott. They've got C.D. Lamb, Michael Gallup, Amari Cooper. I do believe this offense can be number one. one in the NFL. Yes, ahead of the Buccaneers. Yes, ahead of the Ravens and the Chiefs. The weapons are there.

And if McCarthy can win 11 games in a division with the giants who are not very good, the Redskins who are somewhat suspect, and we know the Eagles have offensive line issues, I don't love the Cowboys, but I can see McCarthy stealing Coach of the Year honors. Now, you're a guy that has, you've got a lot of this gambling stuff. You're very good on NFL picks. So Fox Bet came out, and they had the. betting value of the coaches. And what was interesting, the good guys were easy to figure out, but they had McCarthy

right in line with Sean McVeigh and Andy Reed. And my argument was that we were forced as a collective group in the media to pick aside with Aaron and McCarthy because the media went crazy about five years ago and was calling him the greatest quarterback ever. And so we had to decide. If Aaron's that good, McCarthy has to be a bum. Now that Aaron went down slightly last year with Matt LaFleur. Now we're having to reevaluate it.

And my takeaway is if McCarthy flourishes with DAC, 10 and 6th playoff team, I think we're going to look back and go, Aaron was prickly and difficult, great, but not as gut as we thought. I mean, what is your prediction for Aaron Rogers with LaFleur? Because it looked like in the draft they're looking to eventually, they're building a football team to run, not pass. I don't like what I saw with this Packers offseason. As you said, they're going to go to the ground game heavily

and probably more two tight end sets and a lot of running the football. Colin, that's not playing to Aaron Rogers' strengths. You have strengths, I have strengths. We know them. We play to them. The Packers are doing the opposite. They're going away from Roger's strengths and going to the ground game. I don't think it makes sense.

Meanwhile, I think we could see Dak, again, playing for big contract. If he doesn't get paid here this summer, you know, franchise tag, and then maybe they go overboard and make him the highest paid quarterback. But I love the potential from McCarthy to win coach of the year. A lot of value, I mean, in line with Sean McVe. McVeigh's divisions, brutal. I'm with you. I like McCarthy's chances. Jason McIntyre, formerly of the big lead.

Good seeing you, buddy. Roll the dice. Go to New Jersey. Have a great time. All right. My wife know that. Thank you. All right.

Thank you. By the way, we had, John, I don't know if you recall. this happened several hours ago, it probably slipped your mind. But we had kind of a proclamation on the show earlier. So pro football focus did a beyond deep dive. I mean, you got to look at a lot of film to do this. And so they graded quarterbacks on two things. First, the best quarterbacks in the NFL on first read throws.

So this is the coach, send you a play, you get the ball, you snap it, it's your first read, and you deliver a strike. not surprisingly, Drew Breeze is the best in the league, Patrick Mahomes, Andrew Luck, Jared Gough Rogers. Last two years, and it should be noted, most of these had either excellent coaches or a really big primary weapon. But where I thought it was fascinating is pro football focused then had the best quarterbacks on non-first read throws.

Now, what is that? That is play breaks down, first guys doubled, they roll coverage over, you've got to add lib. Once you add live to a second throw, you're now talking three seconds, up to four, four and a half. Receivers add lib. They break off their routes. The offensive line protection starts to erode. This is where a real quarterback play ensues.

And look two factors that jump out. What do you know that Russell Wilson is a mile ahead of everybody and two miles ahead of Aaron Rogers? And Jimmy Garoppolo is in the top five. in the entire NFL. Once again, the question is, when it comes to quarterbacks, John, why would people listen to any other show? Hear ye, hear ye,

for as many years of law service to the position of quarterback and his relentless pursuit of the truth. Yeah. We hereby proclaim Colin Cowherd to be the king of all quarterback opinion. Thank you. Thank you. I don't really look like royalty,

to be honest with you. You're pretty. You're right. I am British. British ancestry. I could be a king, right? Every time I look, I've been to Buckingham Palace before, right? Outside, right? Go to England a few times.

I go there every time. I'm a tourist. Can you imagine, I wouldn't want to be royalty. You can't go ever and get chicken wings and knock down a draft beer? What a miserable life. I always said that about Donald Trump before he was president. I never saw him in anything but a tie. Like, who wears a tie on Saturday?

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