The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Why Shedeur Sanders WON'T work in Cleveland, NFL and PGA Tour connection, Lakers sell for 10 billion dollars

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

John dives into the latest with Shedeur Sanders and why getting a speeding ticket for going over 100 MPH is not the reason why he won't work out in Cleveland. Next, John discusses the new commissioner of the PGA Tour and how it connects with the NFL and is a great thing for the Tour. Later, John talks about the Buss family selling the Lakers for 10 billion dollars. 4:32 - Sanders gets pulled over  11:29 - PGA Tour and the NFL 25:30 - Lakers sell for 10 billion 30:01 - Fugazi Friday Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Shador Sanders. Screaming down the road, getting a ticket. Everyone freaking out. We need to relax a little bit. Rogers once said it. R-E-L-A-X. I will die. into that situation.

Is the next commissioner of the NFL running the PGA tour and the Lakers sell for $10 billion. So some thoughts overall on just sports valuations and why I think we overcomplicate some things when it comes to

winning and losing. Fugazi, Fugazi Friday. I watched a documentary on Netflix that just made me shake my head, so we'll dive into that. I was going to do a mailbag but somehow your boy, has like a wicked like head cold and I don't know, sinus infection or something

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I think Stapansky is good. I think their GM is clearly a dynamic smart guy. But their owner's nuts. And he's proven it. And it's not like he's cheap. He spent more cash over the last thing four or five years than any team in the NFL. It's not like he lacks money. I think he's one of the rich or

guys in the league. But he's proven over and over that he gets in the way of progress. And anytime you're the boss, whether it's you're the dad in a home, whether you're the boss of a mom and pop shop, whether you're someone like Jimmy Haslam and you own an NFL team, you can do whatever you want. And at any moment when the GM and the coach go, we just drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round, he goes, I want you to draft him in the fifth round. So it's just, it's a bizarre place.

It really is. So I don't think it's going to work because most things don't work in Cleveland when Jimmy Haslam has been in control. But when it comes to the situation of getting pulled over doing 100 miles an hour, I saw Coward go on. Like, I'm out, right? Judgment's a huge thing when it comes to quarterbacks. Coward, I'm going to see him next week, that his big deal was always, you know, the backward hat thing. And, you know, a lot of younger people always laughed at that. I was in Tahoe a month ago, and I was playing golf with this guy who owns a construction

company, really high level, impressive, successful guy. And when I told him that, you know, I work with Cal on and do the volume and everything, the first thing that came up was the backwards hat thing and how he loved that take. And this was a guy probably 55 plus. And that's something that resonates with older people. Well, doing 100 miles an hour when I was a kid and I was born in 84. So I got my license late 90s, maybe 2000 or 99. If I would have got pulled over doing 100 miles an hour, my dad would have beat the shit out of me.

That was the day and age when, you know, you could lay hands to children. I don't think that's quite allowed anymore. But I grew up on cars, like most people my age and definitely older, that when you hit about 80 miles an hour, the entire car rattled. Unless you had like a Corvette or a Ferrari. or something, if you're driving a Ford Bronco, a suburban, a van, you get to 80, you felt it. So when you told someone when I was a kid, you were doing 100 miles an hour, that would have been like telling someone you knew someone with a million dollars cash. It was like, damn, that's incredibly fast.

And I told the story when I went to Reno and I rented that Tesla, and I drove the thing around. And I've been telling everyone since, I can't get over how fast the fucking car is. that if I own that car and I had a 16-year-old, there is no chance I would let him drive that car. He would kill himself. Because I know at 16, when I drove a Ford Explorer, that I would say once you went above 70,

the whole thing shook, rattled and rolled, and you're like, is this thing going to blow up when I'm in the middle of the freeway? And I think most people listening to this, if you're of a certain age, you couldn't dream of going 100 miles an hour and 90% of the cars. Now, basically any new car, I'm not even talking Tesla's. I'm talking Ford trucks.

My mom has like an SUV Lexus that's probably four or five years old. I drove that thing to Tahoe a couple years ago. And I remember going 90 miles an hour thinking, God, this is really smooth. You don't even realize how fast you are going. And that number resonates with older people. Went 100 miles an hour. Now, speed isn't relative. right, 100 miles an hour in 2025 is the same speed as it was in 1940.

The difference is the ability to get to those speeds in all these new cars. Like, I'm going to give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. Now, if you want to be critical, I'd be a hypocrite. Like, young people go out, stay up late at night. Fun shit happens then. I mean, I would be a raging hypocrite if I was like, why aren't you in bed at 1230 at night? Like at 22, 23, 24 years old, I was up a lot of the time too. And I didn't have a lot of money.

If you gave me a lot of money and a lot of free time, I didn't have a job, nothing to do for the summer. I would be out rocking and rolling too. But I think people being critical of the speed, it's easy to be because that number still resonates with a certain demo. I just think anyone with a newer car can relate. Like, it's pretty easy to hit that speed now and not realize it. how often when you get a new car or if you drive a new car because you're running that car and you're with your wife, you're with your friend, they go, man, you need to slow down and you look. You're like, I didn't even realize I was going that fast. So I think a lot of people are going to have takes like this is crazy. This is a reflection. I think a lot of people in souped up cars. Now listen, there is a line. You know, Henry Ruggs just gave a speech at some prison thing that he killed someone doing 150 miles an hour.

and I'm pro people having their ability to do what they want by a car I'm as pro gun as any young person in media I'll promise you that but there are certain things

that you should be trained for I'm a big believer in that and there are certain cars that I'm sorry a 25 year old a 60 year old I don't give a shit how old you are you should have to take some training

to get behind the wheel of that bad boy has too much power If you're not Dale Earnhardt Jr. If you're not Lewis Hamilton, you shouldn't be able to drive this thing. But, like, he's driving a supercharged ram truck. A lot of people have those trucks. They haul ass.

And a lot of cars now haul ass. And getting to 100 miles an hour is pretty easy to do. So when I see him say, like, I didn't even realize I was going that fast, I actually think it's pretty believable. I do that shit all the time. Now, do I think this is a reflection of a decision-making? I don't.

Don't. Do I think he's going to be a good quarterback for the Browns? I don't because most people are not. It took Joe Flacco having a little short run. They ran Baker Mayfield out of town. Now he's a top 10 quarterback. After they drafted him number one overall. So I would just bet against the Brown situation. But I think everyone overblowing 100 miles an hour, like that was way crazier when I was young. I don't think 100 miles an hour, given these cars that are on the road right now, I think you, especially younger people, be surprised how often. and people go way faster than they even realize they're going. There was a moment that happened this week with the PGA tour that I think has big implications to the NFL.

I'd never heard of this guy. Now, I'm not super locked into who Roger Goodell's team is, right? Like, you could ask me who are the coordinators for basically every team in the league. I couldn't get all the special teams coaches, but I get the OCs and DCs, probably of 90% of the league. and hell I could give a lot of like position position coaches when it came to like who are Roger Gazelle's

top three henchmen? I have no clue. Well it turns out Brian Rollap was a very very important guy for Roger Goodell in the NFL and he was just hired to be the CEO of the PGA tour. Before it was called the commissioner but for tax purposes they had to change because of this live thing and a lot of different variables that I don't even understand

I honestly don't even care but he's officially been named the CEO. up. And when you go to Brian Rollab's LinkedIn page, do you know what you see? You see a very, very ambitious person. And do you know what ambitious people do? They try to climb that ladder. And when they feel stuck on that ladder, they will do anything in their power to get to that next run. And Roger Goodell is 66 years old. And it came out, I think, over the course of the Tush Push owners meetings that like, some people internally are like, Raj, we need you to kind of have an answer to when you're going to retire and kind of the pushback was like I don't plan on going anywhere don't totally

blame him making $65 million a year he probably has a position that I don't know it's definitely like a top 10 CEO commissioner whatever you know that role uh someone that doesn't actually own the thing in American business uh I mean the guy's a member at Augusta national I mean it's kind of a big deal with his position and I wonder if you're Brian Roelap and you want that job and And for the last, I think, decade plus, he has been in charge of the media slash business rights. And he was a key guy in negotiating the last television deal that obviously has given historic returns. And he would have been the guy to negotiate this next television deal. And who knows?

Maybe he's back in the mix in 2009 when it's time to negotiate that deal. Because Brian Rolap knows this. If you want to get a girl to like you, bring another girl around. she'll show more interest, I promise. If you want to raise, have another company offer you a job. And you'll find out how much the company you work with likes you. And if they do, how much they're willing to pay for your services. So Brian Rollap, by all accounts, and I've listened to some golf podcasts on this.

A lot of people in the golf world in that kind of the main crew of the Tiger Woods and the Jay Monaghan's, I don't even count him. But, you know, Arthur Blank and some of these other venture capitalists, they didn't even know if he was going to accept their job. So this was like a long full court press to try to land this individual to run the business operations for golf. And if he proves, because listen, I've been lucky enough to know a lot of these coaches and guys that are coordinators and then become head coaches. The one thing they'll say is like, I want to run my own operation. I want to show everyone that I can do it. It's why position coaches take coordinator jobs like, wait, you just left being the running back. coach or wide receiver coach for Andy Reed

to take the coordinator job for the worst team in the NFL. I was like, yeah, I want to be a coordinator. I want to show that I can call plays. And if I do a good job, I will become a head coach. And every single time, for the most part, like Ben Johnson last year when he hung up on the Washington commanders as they were flying,

like that's an outlier situation. Most guys jump at opportunities. And they become a head coach immediately when that opportunity or coordinator presents itself. It's no different in the corporate world. And so when you see Brian Rolap take this job, he knows if you can fix golf problems, not just unify them, but expand their business. And who's he rolling with and rubbing elbows with in that business? A lot of NFL people.

Where are probably the majority of NFL owners associated with? They're probably members of country clubs. And some of the country clubs, they're members at host these events. so he's going to be around them in a different capacity where he's in charge, where he's no longer walking into the, you know, four seasons in whatever city at some meetings behind Roger Goodell. He's not the boss. Tiger Woods stands next to him when they're walking in the meeting. So I see this guy, if it goes well, he's going to be the next commissioner of the NFL because he's not a golf guy.

He doesn't even have a registered handicap. He just admitted the other day. I play less than 10 rounds a year. So he's not getting into this because he's some golf junkie. He's getting into this to prove like, I'm ready for the bright lights. And here's the thing with the NFL. Because I look, the last couple commissioners, you know, there were basically three over the last 70 years. Pete Roselle, Paul Tagliabu, and Roger Goodell.

Hard to really put anything in context with Roselle back in the 60s. Completely different world. Radio and newspapers was much bigger than television. But when you go to Tagliabu in the late 80, he was the lead lawyer for the NFL. And obviously when Roger Goodell was named the commissioner in whatever, the mid-2000s, he was one of Tagliaboos underlings. They're not hiring from outside.

Like when Starbucks needed a new CEO, they hired Chipotle's. That's not happening in the NFL. Too many bodies are buried everywhere and there's too much on the line. They're not going outside the family. It's kind of like the mob. so Brian Rollap has been in this world for 20 years. He kind of in a weird way. Obviously, the PGA tour is a lot different than football, but a lot of similar people.

The owners are involved. They're involved with country clubs and obviously big money people. So he's involved in media rights deals gets to be the lead dog on those. And I would expect if all that goes well, you're looking at the next commissioner of the NFL whenever Roger Goodell decides to hang him up probably in his early 70s. The NBA Finals are here, and this is your last chance to bet on the NBA until next season. And the Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NBA is pulling out all the stops to make it a finals to remember. One team will be crowd the champ, and the other will be lost to history. Who you got winning at all?

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You could argue three now with the Dodgers are truly like the elite NFL franchises. And that would be the Lakers and the Yankees. And I think you could factor in the Dodgers now as well, that they are the equivalent of the Dallas Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles, the New York Giants, San Francisco 49ers. They are their franchise. I mean, I think Vegas, if Mark Davis decided to sell at this point in time, when you factor in the stadium, when you factor in the area,

would go for a lot despite their lack of success. but my point is the Lakers are somewhat of an outlier. I mean, look at the Boston Celtics. Historic franchise went for $6 billion, which again, shitload of money, but the Lakers are worth, you know, 40% more. And they are. So I think a lot of conversation in pro sports is like, does your owner have enough money?

And in baseball, that really matters. I was with a buddy yesterday playing golf on Wednesday, who scouts in Major League Baseball. and it's safe to say that the team he works for doesn't spend as much as some of the big ducks and it can be frustrating and there are limitations at times even though his team has had success

at different points in time but he's not competing with the Dodgers and the Yankees and the Mets right and they're at a huge disadvantage where in football the Bengals if they chose to they can give Burrow they can give Jamar Chase they can give T. Higgins and if they want they give Trey Hendrickson $100 million

they have the money that they're just choosing not to, and we can argue till we're blue in the face, whether that's correct or wrong or whatever. But it's not from the lack of cash. Like the Oakland A's or the Tampa Bay raise legitimately don't have the money to pay Shohei Otani. They do not. They do not generate that type of revenue. They don't have that type cash reserves.

They do not have the capability to pay. Where in basketball, the Minnesota Timberwolves or the Phoenix Suns or you name any team can max out a guy for $250. million dollars, every single team. So this notion that the Lakers have been some big disadvantage because the bus family was much more mom and pop, they just happened to have this glamorous asset. While there's some truth to that, I mean, they lowballed Tyron Loo once upon a time. It hasn't stopped them. They pay as, I think there was like three or four more teams over the last 10 years that

have paid more in luxury tax. Like they have the money. I heard Brian Winhorse say that someone leaked the league's financials to, to him. I kind of vaguely remember this, but he remembers looking and seeing that the Lakers, in a week, made more than the Grizzlies did in a year on their television deal. So obviously, they get revenue platforms. But I think sometimes we overcomplicate sports, because all I hear is like, look at what the money has done to the Dodgers.

Well, yeah, they hired Andrew Friedman, who's widely considered one of the great baseball executives we've ever seen. Like, how did the country? Hubs and the Red Sox resurrect their franchises. They hired Theo Epstein. I've seen it with the A's. They had a guy named Billy Bean. Hell, look at the Lakers.

When did they become dominant in their early 80s? When they hired a guy named Pat Riley. And his general manager was named Jerry West. And then when they got Kobe and Shaq, what did they do? They hired Phil Jackson. Management has always mattered. Now, if you want to argue that management, you know, in any of these sports, especially football and basketball, there is no salary cap.

So that's when you can separate yourself 100%. So I agree with that. But you are not winning in sports, whether your owner is flushed with cash or whether he's not, if you do not have the right people running your teams. Jeffrey Lurie is really, really rich right now in Philadelphia. The Eagles have made a lot of money over the course of the Internet era, but especially the last 15 years.

Why do you think they've been to three Super Bowl since 2017? Why do you think they've won two of them? They have an elite general manager. Many would consider one of the best GMs in the league. Look at the Seattle Seahawks. I just had on John Schneider. Their owner, who passed away now in his daughters run at, Paul Allen, was as rich as any.

He was like Steve Balmer of the NFL, flushed with cash. For a long time, when he owned the team, they weren't that good. Well, when did they turn around the franchise? When I don't know, they hired Pete Carroll and John Schneider. I've seen it forever with the Raiders. They could never get it right. And their owner always lacked the funds.

Because a lot like the bus family, they didn't have anything else. All they have is the team. And while the team does generate them money, they are not flush with cash like they would be with Stan Cronky or, you know, the Glazer family. They just don't have the same amount of disposable cash to throw around. There are different levels to this. but the Raiders have struggled not because Mark Davis has lacked cash because they've hired poorly.

I mean, they hired the reason that John Spitech and Pete Carroll are there is because Tom Brady and the crew of big money people came in and Mark Davis allows them to have a huge influence. And before like Antonio Pierce was their head coach last year. Of course they sucked. You know, so I think sometimes we factor in money and obviously it matters and having big, great infrastructure and the best training tables and the best, you know, jets when you're flying around. I understand that. But the Oklahoma City Thunder are good because their general manager is elite. So if you want to dominate and the Lakers wanted to dominate and obviously the bus family was over their head. because once Dr. Buss died, their kids just aren't that good at their job, right?

Even if their heart's in the right place, even if they love the Lakers, they just don't really know what they're doing. Because knowing what you're doing, I mean, we just talked about Jimmy Haslam. Jimmy Haslam has unlimited money. And it's like, he can't figure it out. David Tepper, same thing. Guys fucking stock trading genius. And his team has sucked constantly since he got the job. Why?

He can't figure out how to hire the right people. and when you do figure out how to hire the right people, usually your franchise doesn't mean you're going to dominate, doesn't mean you're going to become a rocket ship, but you're going to be way better than you were, and that's how you win in sports. And that's how you up the value of a franchise. Because most franchises aren't the Lakers,

whether they're winning or they're losing. Now we can get into a whole different conspiracy theory on over the last six months. Lucas trade in the middle of the night. Dallas gets their back scratch and gets the number one pick, and then sale happens when no one. one saw coming. So who knows? But I think sometimes we talk so much money, money, money, money. Well, let's be real. Uh, hire the right GM and coach. And you'll win. Uh, other than that,

I do want to get out of here on this Fugazi Friday about, I can't really relate to adrenaline junkies. Uh, I don't get, I never have like felt like I want to jump out of a plane and go skydiving. Uh, never felt like I, I want to get into a cage. Uh, I don't get into a cage. Uh, I don't get into a cage. and swim with great white sharks. There are just certain things that I just kind of stay away from. But I get it. Some people get their kind of rocks off doing stuff like that. Even helicopter skiing and just doing crazy stuff.

Well, I was watching this documentary on Netflix called The Titanic. And it's about that submarine that essentially exploded a couple years ago trying to look at the Titanic. Remember, they couldn't find them forever. I get individuals who are a little crazy like the guy. that ran this project. His name was like Stockton Rush. And this guy was actually in it for the wrong reasons. He just, he was in it for a selfish ego reasons. Like he wanted to be known as like a legendary human. Like he wanted to be known as like an Elon, a Bezos, like a guy that everyone had to respect and know and build like this billion dollar business. He actually didn't really just

do it for the pure nature of going really deep underneath the sea in a, uh, uh, in a summary that clearly should never have been that deep because it was destined to fail if you check out the documentary. But what I do not get is why these super rich people want to go on these excursions. Like my generation missed space. It is hard for me to relate to the guy, even if everyone sells me that it's going to be really safe. Bezos, Elon, whoever, get in that spaceship and go up to space. Like, I don't even need to think about it. It's an immediate no, no interest.

The Titanic thing of these rich billionaire guys, a couple of them that got in there and obviously they all died, I don't get the need to do this stuff. And especially with technology, like, can't you just YouTube it? So just watching this thing, and listen, I've always really respected. I love to swim in pools, really respect the ocean. I haven't gone to a school where a lot of surfers because we are basically at Cal Poly

basically half Northern California, half Southern California. And one thing that binds that Southern California kind of guy is, especially if you're from, you know, Newport down to San Diego, it's like a love of surfing. They like being in the water. And I just like, and when you surf, especially up at Cal Poly North,

like toward the Bay Area, like that's one of the great concentrations of great white. sharks and they are legitimately out there. It's like they don't even care. It's like, yeah, if we see one, we see one. I can't even like my heart would be pounding. Obviously surfing is just challenging to begin with. I was like, why do you, I feel no need to go out there.

Especially like Northern California, the water's fucking freezing. So it's like water's freezing. These waves are pretty big and they're just 18 foot great white sharks under me with seals swimming around that are essentially like, you know, their, their filet mignon swimming out of hair. Count me out. I just don't quite understand these adrenaline junkies that need to do this stuff. I can't even begin to relate.

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