The Herd with Colin Cowherd - World Series Game 2, Lonzo Ball, Jon Gruden, & Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: October 25, 2018

Colin discusses why people shouldn't be blaming Los Angeles Dodgers Manager Dave Roberts why Los Angeles Lakers G Lonzo Ball works well with the current team, what Oakland Raiders HC Jon Gruden should try to avoid, and why Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is in a tough spot. Guests include Greg Cosell, Jay Glazier, and Tom Penn. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Thursday. One hour from now Greg CoSell, our NFL meat sandwich, has good 10 to 15 minutes to football talk on the national football. league as we have all week long. Joy, how are you this morning? I'm great. How are you? I am doing well. You know, everybody wants to assign blame.

And a company will tell you by who they pay the big money to. They'll tell you who should take the blame. Who's making the decisions? Who's really important? In the NFL, Pete Carroll makes $7.5 million. That's double what his general manager makes. Sean Payton of the Saints makes $9 million a year. triple what his GM makes. But with the Dodgers, the general manager Andrew Friedman makes $7 million a year,

and the manager Dave Roberts makes $1 million. So stop blaming him. He wasn't allowed to play his best players last night because the guys upstairs run baseball. Everybody wants to. Did Dave Roberts just get dumb? Didn't he make all the great moves against Milwaukee? No, he just got dumb in a week. No.

The difference between that game last night is the Red Sox played all their best players, and their stars were allowed to be stars. And Mookiee Betts, a star, three hits. J.D. Martinez, star, huge RBI, 2 RBI single. David Price, star, sixth grade innings. Andrew Benendetti, great player, star, had a great catch. Dave Roberts went to his front office and said, I can't wait to, we're a home run hitting team. I'm going to pay.

Oh, no, you can't play your home run hitters. What would you mean? We were second in baseball and home runs. We led the National League in home runs, but the analytics overruled it upstairs and said, Cody Bellinger's not going to play. I want you to think about that. Cody Bellinger was the National League Championship Series MVP,

and he has not started for the first two games. Because he bets left-handed, and David Price is a left-hander, and the numbers and the projector and the nerds and the analytics, and the Dave Roberts wasn't allowed to play his stars. Can you imagine telling Mike Dantonia the Rockets? You can't start James Hardin and play him. Can I play him later? Yeah, a couple minutes late in the game. Why? Well, analytics say he'll Can you imagine Belichick being told by his general manager. Can't play Gronk. What about in the,

no, no, no, no. Analytics say you cannot play Gronk. He doesn't match up. Folks, the Dodgers three leading home run hitters, none started. Their National League Championship Series MVP didn't get a start. Their three leading home run hitters got three at bats, a whole game combined. Come on. You want to blame, listen, don't blame the bagel if you're overweight and don't blame traffic if you're late to work. Leave earlier. Eat better. You're blaming the wrong guy. Joe Girardi, they should hire Joe Girardi. You mean the guy fired in Miami, then fired in New York? He's got all the answers. He's got more money. He's got more stars and couldn't win in New York. So organizations tell you who matters. Companies, Amazon, Apple, Dodgers, Patriots, Chiefs, they tell you who matters.

They tell you who should blame. That's why I blame football coaches all the time. I blame football coaches all the time. I blame Brady Hoke at Michigan. They're paying you five million. Michigan's telling me who matters. I'm, I'll blame Pete Carroll. I'll blame Mike Tomlin because I know what you're making. I know what that means. Coaching matters in football. But in the NBA, I don't blame coaches. I get on Russell Westbrook. I get on Russell Westbrook. I get on John Wall. I get on star players. And in baseball, it's ridiculous to keep beating up on these managers. To me, in October Stars Trump analytics, I want manaletics. And David Ortiz and Arod after the game were saying, basically, you didn't play Bellinger. What did you expect?

They neutered their MVP. You can see it in his face. You see the body language. He's got family. He's got friends. Texan him. I'm saying, didn't you just win the MVP, bro? In the playoffs, nobody needs a day off. You go with your tundle, no matter what. Nobody's they struggle or not. The fans want to see that guy and the line up. And the longest, you don't have those guys in the line up. You're not going to get to where you want to be.

This is why I say, Joy, you've heard me say this. I get analytics. But in crunch time, I go man-alytics. I want James Harden on the floor. I don't care if LeBron doesn't shoot great free-throw percentages. I want them on the floor. Well, there's a reason that we look at intangibles with athletes and not just what their numbers are.

It matters. October. I want my stars on the field. Stars make things happen. Stars have more confidence. Stars have more alpha. Stars have more dog. I want stars,

not a slide ruler. Dave Roberts handcuffed last night by guys upstairs in a binder. And the guy upstairs is making $7 million and the manager's making a million. That tells me who should take the heat. And it's not the guy. wearing the Dodger hat in the dugout.

It's the guy upstairs. Let me shift to this. We knew coming into this season for the Lakers, we knew some things. We knew LeBron was going to make the Lakers better. We knew they didn't have a lot of three-point shooters. The one question we had, and I didn't have an answer for it, I had to see it pan out. I mean, I knew LeBron would make them better. He has.

They won last night, B. Phoenix. And I knew they didn't have enough three-point shooters. That stuff was easy. But the one thing I said, I'm not sure. I got to watch it pan out. Rondo or Lanzo? Who fits better with LeBron? Now, LeBron can make them both work,

but you'd prefer one's easier to play with. Well, we have an answer. Lonzo Ball should be starting. Lonzo Ball, now that Rondo, and Rondo's got nobody to blame but Rondo, Rondo gets into a fight, Rondo is the agitator, Lonzo's more of a lubricator, Lonzo is allowed to play now and getting more minutes.

Why? Because once again, Rondo agitates gets into a fight. And last night, 12.7 rebound, six assists. At one point, the Lakers had 30 assists to three turnovers. Lonzo's not a heavy turnover guy. He needs to start. And, you know, again, Rondo's got nobody to blame but Rondo on this. And the Lakers are playing intentionally fast because they don't have a bunch of shooters. They have a ton of depth.

they had 76 at half. Their style this year, because of their limitations on shooting, is play intentionally fast. I mean, they're just flying up and down the court. So if you're going to fly up and down the court, and that's the style that's going to work, and that's what Magic thinks, Luke thinks, LeBron thinks, Rob Polinka thinks. Everybody knows that. We're deep, we're young, we're athletic, we can run. We're not going to win a shooting contest.

If that's the style you're going to do, Lonzo's got to be your guy. Because I just, I was talking about this yesterday. I had lunch Saturday with Daryl Morey Houston Rockets. I'm not going to get into specific players, but we had this conversation at lunch, and it didn't include Lonzo or Rondo, but there's a lot of guys in the NBA, they over-dribble, over-dribble, over-dribble, over-dribble, over-dribble.

When there's an assist available, then they do it because they want the assist. Now, Rondo's very much like that. Rondo is a dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, he wants the assist. He'll take the air out of the ball. Lonzo's not that kind of player. But Mori and I were talking about this. There are a lot of NBA guards that end up with eight assists,

and they're really selfish players. Not all assist totals are the same. Rondo. Rondo is a dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, I can get an assist. There goes. Lonzo is a get rid of the ball fast. I don't give a rip about my numbers.

Rondo has always been, I'll play big in the playoffs, I'll play big in TV games, and I want the assist number. Lonzo doesn't give a rip. And the Lakers four games this year, 130, 140, 115, 119, they're going to move the ball up and down the court. Lonzo fits better. And by the way,

Lonzo now is stronger than last year and Lonzo is clearly a better shooter than last year. The two things we worry about Lonzo. My two knocks on him last year were he doesn't look like an NBA body. He looked like a college athlete playing NBA basketball. He looks bigger now. He looks like he put on 8 to 10 pounds.

He looks bigger and stronger. I always liked his length. I always liked his vision, but I'm like he doesn't look like an NBA guard needs to look. He does now. Secondly, I said he's got to get this shot. I don't care if he fixes it. He's just got to hit more threes. And now he is.

Here's a sequence last night, a sequence from who the Lakers should be starting alongside LeBron. Now, LeBron will bring the dribble across over to Lanzo. In rhythm for three. Yes, sir. Assists to LeBron, three-pointer for Lanzo. LeBron lobs it in. Lonzo in good position for the mismatch against Canaan. LeBron, he sought.

Lonzo did two and one. Right wing. Lonzo, look at this. Throw it down. Tomahawk, Coosma, on the beautiful shovel assist from Lonzo. Lonzo ball style fits the style the Lakers are going to play to succeed this year much better. He gets the ball, he gets it out. he doesn't care about assist totals.

All assist totals are not the same. A lot of guys get nine a night, but they're selfish players. A lot of guys can get eight and they're less selfish. Lonzo is an incredibly unselfish player who's taller than Lonzo. He's more a lubricator socially in the locker room than Rondo. And now he's a better shooter than Rondo. You just, the toughest decision all year, the one we knew, They'd be better with LeBron.

Nobody argued that. And we knew they don't have a ton of shooters. That'll be a liability. This was the issue. Rondo Lanzo. We got our answer. By the way, you really think Rondo's going to be there in three years? I'm not sure he's going to be there about a trading deadline.

I'm dead serious. This franchise going forward is LeBron and who fits with him. We got an answer. Coming up next, I'll simplify the Amari Cooper to the Cowboy. deal. I'm going to set up the opportunity for you. What will we deem successful and what will we deem a failure? And I just want you to hear me out on why I like this. And it's not for the reason you think. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. So great to have you

Greg Kosal, top of next hour, NFL meat sandwich. Terrific. So happy you're here today. It is a Thursday. NFL game tonight on Fox. Talk more about that later. Texans. Brock Osweiler. Ow! Okay. So there are things in your life. I can't put a dollar value on, but they just seem way more valuable than what I paid for it. Let me give me an example. TSA precheck. I paid $85. I went to the airport. $85 for TSA precheck. That covers a couple of years. I don't know what it's worth. I can't sell it to anybody. There's no tangible value. But I know that I'm in a better mood when I go to the airport.

I know that I can pack differently. I can wear shoes, you know, that I don't have to take off. It changes my mood. It alleviates stress going to the airport. Forget when I'm in line. driving, packing for the airport. I don't know what TSA pre-check is worth. A hell of a lot more than $85 is what I paid for it.

So what is the value of things in your life? In football, we assess value based on fantasy points, because everybody plays fantasy football. So when Amari Cooper goes to the Cowboys, you're going to be like, well, unless he has like 85 catches and 12 touchdowns, he didn't do my fantasy team any good. the value is going to be different with Amari Cooper. The Cowboys right now average about 320 yards a game.

That's like 26th in the league. They're like 26, 29th, 30th on all their stats offensively. Yet if 50 yards a game extra, just 50, they go from 320 yards to 370, they're in the middle of the pack. That's really successful. If the safety has to shade over to Amari Cooper, therefore, allowing more running games and three to four more first downs. Remember this about the Dallas Cowboys. Remember what I'm about to tell you on the Dallas Cowboys.

They are 3 and 0 when they score 20 points. They don't need this guy to be over the top to be successful. They've never lost a game this year when they score 20. Their defense is good. They found their pass rushers. They found their linebackers. Their front sevens excellent. It's one of the best front sevens in football.

If Amari Cooper comes in and doesn't reward your fantasy team, well, that's not going to be how the Cowboys deem this successful. When I drive to an airport with TSA Pre, it is no longer a series of can'ts. I can't pack that. I can't wear that. I can't show up then. It's a series of, oh, I can wear that. I can pack that.

I can show up later. I can go run this errand before I go to the airport. Amari Cooper is going to alleviate Kant's. He's going to give you cans. When Scott Linehan drives to the airport, drive to the game, when Jason Garrett drives to practice, when DAC drives to practice, all those coordinators, all those coaches, all those players, it's now can. Oh, we can throw deep.

Oh, we can run these three trap plays because the safety now shades over to the right with Amari Cooper. Like, how do you define worth? How do you define success? If you got your franchise quarterback and you got your defense and you can bring in a player who makes both better, that you go from 26th in offense to 14th, just 55 more yards, four more first downs. That's successful. I mean, don't kid yourself. If the Cowboys made that field goal against Washington on Sunday,

they'd be four and three, and you'd be looking at this deal going, hell yeah we got a we got our guy but they're three and four and everybody's like oh by the way have a buy this week that's a perfect time for amari cooper to come in they got to buy learn the playbook how to buy by the way his last week in oakland had a buy so we got two week buy he's healthy he can learn the playbook and oh by the way next game up home Monday night football extra rest against tennessee not a good road team and also struggling in the secondary so just i don't know how to put a dollar everything can't be like well this this guy's worth this and guy's worth that. I just know in my life there are things like TSA precheck that I paid 85

bucks for and it feels a thousand times more valuable than that. And Amari Cooper is going to show you real value. You're not going to find all of it on your fantasy team. You get a safety to shade over Ezekiel Elliott can run three more trap plays that they couldn't run before because the box is jammed because nobody fears their perimeter weapons. It may be 50 yards a game. It may be three first downs. but I'll double down. I think he's going to work. I think he's going to be happy with it. Joey Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Right, sticking with that, obviously the Cowboys' wide receivers have struggled to produce in 2018, so it's no surprise that Zach Prescott was excited about acquiring Amari Cooper, but he's smart to try and temper expectations. Maybe he's talking to you, Colin.

Temper the expectations here. He said this isn't the magic pill. One player isn't going to make all these errors that we've had go away, but we have to do a better job, and we're going to find a way to play complimentary, complimentary football together. Very DeK Prescott answer. Yes, and I think he's absolutely right.

I think that's, by the way, Odell Beckham's got 53 catches, but Eli Manning sometimes presses to get the ball to Odell. Right. So that doesn't help the Giants. Amari Cooper's not the kind of guy or personality, like a Des or an Odell. Well, that was sort of the problem last year, right?

people felt like he was pressing it to Des. Like Eli. That's just demanding. That's right. And so Amari's going to come in. And I said before, if he gives you 50 catches and three touchdowns from the perimeter, oh, God, yeah, that's valuable. And he's good in the film room and he's good with teammates and he's good on the way to games. I just no longer believe that if you're not Tom Brady, that you can go without having a strong number one receiver.

Not everybody's going to have Julio Jones or AJ Green or Jarvis Landry, but you have to have a strong number one receiver. That is something that we learned. We thought that maybe they would be able to figure it out, but that doesn't work unless you're talking about. By the way, even Joy, when you and I were younger, especially me because I'm old, but even in the 70s and 80s,

when you thought receivers weren't that valuable, the Steelers Dynasty still had Lynn Swan. Right. Okay. And Bob Greasy and Miami still had Paul Warfield. And you go back and look at all the 70s, and by the way, the Raiders, Kenny Stabler had Cliff Branch and Freddie Blitnikoff. even in the run-the-ball era, the great, great teams, Cowboys had Michael Irvin.

Nineers had Jerry Wright. You've always had to have perimeter weapons, but to your point, they're even now more valuable. Right, because if you are a quarterback like Dak Prescott that isn't Tom Brady, who's a serviceable starting quarterback, which we believe, maybe we don't know what his ceiling is, but you're not Tom Brady. You need someone solid on the outside to help you out. So the Rams and Todd Gurley are obviously off to a blazing start. I mean, undefeated through the first seven games.

With that in mind, Vegas odds makers have made Gurley a little closer to Patrick Mahomes amongst the favorites to win MVP this season. So Mahomes is favorite still, followed by Gurley, Breeze, Rogers, and then Brady. Rogers is still in that? Oh, that's the odds. Yeah, odds. Yeah, that, I mean, Mahomes, you know, again, value. You know what's with the Rams?

I don't know. It's tough for me. The Rams are such an... And listen, Todd Gurley is having an incredible season. He should be in the conversation. But I don't know. First of all, I would give the nod to golf over Gurley, even with the season that Gurley's happened. You know who I would give this to, frankly, Aaron Rogers.

Okay, I've seen these chiefs without Patrick Mahomes. They got to the playoffs. I saw this exact coach and this exact roster last year they got to the playoffs. I also saw the Packers last year without Aaron Rogers Joy. They were the Cleveland Browns. By the way, if you took Gurley out of the Rams and you put in his backup, they win a lot of games. I don't think that they are undefeated. No, no, no.

But they're still a great team. I saw Green Bay without Aaron Rogers. And I know what that looked like. And it looked like that team in Ohio. I do think Drew Breeze is interesting, though. I think Breeze is probably my second. I think, again, I'm not diminishing anybody. I'm just saying, I saw the chiefs without Patrick Mahomes last year and all these players, and they made the playoffs.

You know, I've seen that act without him. So this is a big story. It was a top prospect, Darius Bazley, who the basketball world's been talking about all week. He chose a $1 million internship with new balance over the G League. Remember we talked about the G League making an offer for higher contracts for players who want to come straight out of high school, play a year in G League, and then go to the NBA. Well, he opted to not do that. Just take the year off, essentially. Do the $1 million internship with New Balance over it.

He's repped by Rich Paul in Clutch Sports. So Jim Beheim had once expected to have, Basley, on his roster. He got a little petty. He said, LeBron did a nice job helping his client. It is LeBron's clients, right? So LeBron wrote back to that and said, Oh, they big mad.

Well, Beheim doubled down on it and had this to say. I don't think we should ever compensate players. They get more meals now so they can keep their meal money. Everybody says the coach makes this and the players don't make anything. The player is 17. I've been working my whole life. A lot of 17-year-old kids don't make money. By the way, David Schott, Stanford says the exact same thing. And by the way, those are both great coaches. But there is now a narrative that the poor player doesn't make anything. This opinion has come from African-American coaches, veteran coaches, young coaches.

A lot of basketball coaches are like, listen, you don't understand. We only get them for a year and we treat them like gold on private jets for a year with swag and... I don't think that it's a bad option for players to go to college because they do get the college experience. And obviously, you're competing and playing, but you're also risking your body. But to go as far as to say, like, they get more meals now so they can keep their meal money. Well, that sounds terrible. Come on, Jim.

Get a grip. We're not talking about meal money here. This kid just got a million dollar internship. Right. But let's, I'll throw this at you. Have you noticed, Joy, that Kuzma and Josh Hart are right now better than Lanzo and Brandon Ingram? consistently. Well, Kuzma stayed in college for four years and so did heart.

This idea that college basketball is terrible. No. No. You get really good coaches. Your body developed. My body, the difference between my body at 18 and 23. Well, look at Lonzo's body from last year and this year. But you're also running the risk that you injure yourself and then you never make those

NBA that NBA guaranteed money. That's true. So should NCAA say all players have an insurance policy that will pay for, not their parents? That's a very legitimate claim is that every player that plays college basketball has a $10 million contract if they get hurt. I have no problem with that. But this idea that college basketball is evil. No, no, no. I don't think that's what it is. I think it's, I think it's

been imbalanced for a long time. Yes. All of college sports. And then Beheim got into like, you know, do we pay the softball players and we pay the soccer players? And obviously there's, you know, how much do the women sports to get paid? Like, there's obviously a whole scale and it eliminates amateur sports. So that that is an issue. I've always just been of the opinion to just balance it out. It's a billion dollar industry. There's some way to compensate, not players in the moment, but you know, you use their likeness.

Like there's a balance. Right. Or, you know, if you use their face on something, maybe give them some money from it. Totally agree. But don't throw the meal money around. No, I do agree with that. If you use their face in marketing on billboards or in digital, like Tim Tebow had an absolute value to Florida football.

Reggie Bush to USC. And don't talk to me about the scholarship thing. Like, it's okay. Like, of course, that's the bare minimum they could do is allow them to go to school for free for what they bring to the colleges. All right. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

Good stuff. Jay Glazer on the show today. Top of the hour, Greg CoSell, NFL meat sandwich. We're absolutely packed. By the way, John Gruden has some thoughts on Derek Carr. I'm going to get to before the end of the hour. but before that NBA insider for Yahoo Sports and our friend Chris Haynes is joining us on in the chair. I used to say on the couch. It's now in the chair.

By the way, this guy always comes all decked out. You know, you could come like a warm-up suit. Bruce Ard after a while just gave up. He just came in warm-ups. Okay. So I said this to start my show, Chris, is that I knew a lot about the Lakers coming in. I knew LeBron would make them better and I knew they lacked three-point shooters. You were on the show.

We knew that. What I had to see develop. was Rondo and Lanzo. I got to tell you, not all assists are the same. There's a lot of ball pounders, pass to get the assist. When I watch the Lakers style,

which is clearly we're deep, we're going to run a lot. Lanzo fits better. He looks like he fits this team better, Chris. Look, I have to eat a little bit of crow early on in the season. I was very harsh on Lanzo. I said that I wasn't sure

that he would be able to play alongside LeBron James. And I talked about his lack of shooting and a bunch of my Twitter followers got on me last night about, you know, his accuracy thus far. But I would say this. If Lonzo really has improved on his shooting, if this is just not a mirage,

then he fits better alongside LeBron James. Exactly. And then you talk about ball pounders. That is Rondo, that is Chris Paulers, guys like that who hold the ball for 18 of the 24-second shot. And they end up with a siss, but they're not the same assist. Exactly. Lonzo, if you see him,

sometimes he does it too much, but you see him in transition, he'll pass that ball up. Get it up, let other guys make the plays. He's not bringing the ball all the way up and wants to get the assist. He allows other guys to get the hockey assist, and players love that.

Now, this is a very interesting point. So when I'm watching the game last night, and again, it was a big question mark to me. In fact, you think your Twitter followers, I came out, and I said, I don't think this thing's going to work. I wasn't even on the fence. Joy was here.

I'm like, I don't see how it works. But, man, I've watched these three games. The Lakers clearly, you can tell, a team will tell you what their game plan is without telling you. The Lakers are telling you. Without telling you, we've got 10 players we're deep. We can't shoot to win. We've got to run. We've got to be a transition team.

Now, that won't work in the playoffs. No doubt. to take this step up. You know, they brought Rondo in to be sort of a mentor, but Rondo still can play. He can still play some ball. So if Lanzo, like I said, if this accuracy is legit, he's going to have a career season playing with LeBron.

It's as simple as that. Chris, Chris Haines joining us, just think about this. Last year at this time, Lonzo was hitting 38% of his free throws. Yeah. The improvement on last year at this time, you and I don't know, you weren't on the show at the time, but I can remember saying to one of my guests,

he's a year at a high school. He has a high school body. Like, he's a man now. Like I watched him last night. I'm like, that's an NBA body and he's hitting three. I don't think we understand. We remember the Lonzo at the end of the year who had gotten better. You go a year ago to the Lonzo ball.

He was a year out of high school. So I think he's really made. Now, let's transition into this. Okay. I haven't checked the standings or anything. anything, but I would imagine the Cavaliers are struggling without LeBron.

Oh, God, they're 0 and 4. Give us an update on how that's going. It's going as most people expected. You look at LeBron when he left the first time to go to Miami. The team struggled. They were a lottery team for many years. I think that's going to be the case again, Kyle. You look at that squad as well.

They're kind of not fully committed to going young, because they still, they got an extension for Larry Nass, they got Kevin Love, they re-uped him. So they're in a bit of a puzzle here because they're not great, but they're not bad. And as you know, to be in the middle is not good.

It's quicksand. Yeah, it's quicksand, exactly. So they're in a bit of tough situation, but that's LeBron. He's good for about plus 20 wins. Okay, think about this. I want to remind people of this. The last 30 games, including the Owen 4th,

start this year. The last 30 games the Cavs have played without LeBron, they're 4 and 26. Now, I want to remind you, Michael Jordan left the Bulls. They went 57 wins to 55. And Michael's great. But I don't think people understand this here is when people talk about value, I've seen the Green Bay Packers without Aaron Rogers. He is more valuable than Tom Brady to his team. To his team. Okay. Andrew Luck, I've seen the Colour. without Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck's more valuable to his team than Tom Brady is to his team. Okay.

There has never been a player in the history of the league. The Lakers won when Wilt left. They won when, they won when, you know, magic left. I don't know. I look at LeBron and I'm like, Cleveland is last in the league in point differential.

They've been housed at home by Atlanta and Brooklyn. Atlanta. And Brooklyn. Those are two teams for you. But you look at, kind of we talk about ball dominant players. LeBron James is a system dominant player because everything is catered to his expertise and his skill set. And so a lot of times, these teams aren't that bad when they don't play with him, but they're so accustomed to having LeBron James on the floor because he does it all.

And so when they, when they're without him, they don't know how to play without him. This is interesting. It's a good point. They don't know how to play with him. He is the system. He's the system. He's system dominant. And like you said, there's never been a player like that.

Michael Jordan wasn't system dominant. LeBron James, you cater your offense to him, your defense to him, your transition to him. Almost like Cam Newton. If Cam Newton left Carolina, I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles lost Carson Wentz. Good point. And they won with Nick Foles. If Cam left Carolina, you have to have a completely new offense. System dominant.

None of it works. You'd have to get different backs and different receivers. No doubt. And I think that's a very good point. By the way, do we have what Steph Curry did last night? Do we have the audio of that yet? He did something? Yes, Steph Curry last night.

Steph Curry does this from time to time reminding us, I'm the world's greatest shooter. Here's the tape. Is he feeling it? Yes. There me. Now, Steph has 11 points in the last minute and a half. Curry has not scored this quarter until now.

And Beal smelled it out. Curry three, he's not moving for them. They've almost degraded into it. Curry. God, he does that about three times a year. About every month and a half, you're like, you know what's funny? This is what I love about Steph, Chris. And he recruited Kevin Durant.

Yeah. I understand this. Mello struggled to play with Jeremy Lynn. He didn't like it. This guy said, I'm going to go, I got Clay Thompson next to me. How secure is Steph Curry? I'm going to go recruit a guy that needs shots to score. Steph Curry is not only a great player, his self-awareness, his understanding of the game.

Folks, you are looking at one of the, and I don't want to hear about he gets hurt and this and that. This is one of the smartest, greatest, most revolutionary, most important humans that has ever played this game. Well, I'm probably one of the most selfless superstars. Of all time. Yeah, he's definitely up there. When he, when Kevin Durant first went to the Golden State, you know, I had my doubts about if, this was the right move for Steph. Too many shooters.

Yeah, too many shooters. You know, he's coming into his own, and you bring arguably the second best player, you know, in the game on your team. But look, one thing that I didn't, that I took for granted is that the system, Golden State system, is geared towards Steph. It's all, everything, the running gun,

the moving without the ball, all of that is predicated because of Steph's skill set. And it's still like that today. Kevin Durant is still as good as he. he is. But when you're hitting all these threes, and when you can do the things that Steph can do, when he could spread the defense out to full court, basically.

No other player in the NBA history has ever been able to force the defense like that. That's when you know that he made that system, he runs that system, and he's always going to be the face of that franchise. I still think Kevin Durant is a better overall player. Yeah, that's right.

In terms of a better overall unstop, but in terms of running the, we We confuse these two all the time. We confuse, well, he's the best player. Listen, very few players as good as Alan Iverson ever. That doesn't mean he's as important, as invaluable, as revolutionary as Steph Curry. We forget there's a big difference sometimes between just Derek Jeter was not as talented as Arod.

Arod was more talented. Jeter was the heart and soul of the Yankees. Chris Haynes is his name, senior NBA guy Yahoo! Yahoo! Sports. Love having you on the show. My God, love being here. Love having you on the show. Coming up next, John Gruden. John.

Be very careful. Listen, this thing may work out eventually, but be very careful. That's coming up. Everybody's beating up on John Gruden and the Raiders. For the record, I did not like it initially as a move. Too much power, 10-year deal, but now out of the sport too long. That said, they are accumulating a lot of draft picks, which if they hit home runs, then it would be a very good move.

If you can nail, you know, the Rams got Todd Gurley, Jared Gough, and Aaron Donald in the first round over time. If you get three players that good, then they're good. The Raiders did draft. Amari Cooper, good player in the first round. Khalil Mack. But let me give an example. So John Gruden yesterday, he likes to talk in the microphone. He's very good at it. He and

Mike Tomlin and John Gruden are fun to listen with the microphone. They're like, by the way, if Mike Tomlin ever gets fired, network hire him. He's greater to Mike. Gruden's greater to Mike. Most of these coaches are the pits. They're boring. It's cliches. Tomlin's a home run. And Gruden's as good

or better. He was talking yesterday about Derek Carr and trades. I don't see us making any more trades. I didn't see us making a trade the other day. I really did it. But I don't see us making any more trades. But I'll never say never again to anybody. So if somebody calls about Eric Carr, that's not a...

I'm not going to speculate about that today. I don't see us making any more trades. Certainly, I don't see us trading our quarterback. You know, all I'll say about this is, be very careful about trading him. I want to give you an example. John Elway's dad was a coach. He grew up in a football family. He went to Stanford.

He ran an arena football team after playing to a league title. Stakehouses, car dealerships, super successful businessman. Oh yeah, he was the greatest quarterback that ever played until like Montana and, you know, Brady. I would say that's qualified. I'm not saying John Gruden's not. John Elway's as qualified a man in America to figure out who's a good quarterback. He played with him. He was.

he ran another league, and he drafted Brock Osweiler, got into a bidding war for him, thankfully he lost, drafted Paxton Lynch, and gave a bunch of money to Case Keenham. His number one hit was recruiting Peyton Manning, who he didn't have to scout. He already knew he was great. He just had a good dinner with him at one of his steakhouses, and Peyton Manning's like, you're a Hall of Famer, I'm going to be a Hall of Famer, I'm going to go play with the Broncos. So he's a great recruiter. John Elway struggling on the quarterback thing. Be very careful about giving up Derek Carr. Let me give you an example.

Marcus Marietta, James Winston. They're not as good as we thought they would be, are they? I'm out on Marietta, and I'm about two bad games and another bad decision by Winston being out on him. By the way, Wentz is way better than we thought. Mahomes is way better than I thought. Russell Wilson is way better than I thought. This quarterback thing is hard.

Kirk Cousins was drafted in the fourth round. RG3 in the first by the same team. Would you have guessed RG3 out of the league? Kirk Cousins, highest paid quarterback in the league for about six months. Would you guess that? This quarterback thing, even when you have them in-house, forget drafting them. Blake Bortles is in-house. And Tom Coughlin's like, I think we should give him a contract extension.

Six games later, Tom Coughlin's like, what the hell was I thinking? That's when you got him in house. You have film. You know them. You see him at practice. This quarterback thing is hard to figure out. I mean, think about it. When I say to you top 10 quarterbacks in the league, you get to about number six and

you start adding qualifiers. Well, I like Matt Ryan, but he didn't have much of an arm. I like Matt Stafford, but he doesn't have a signature win. You know, I like Andrew Luck, but he throws a lot of interceptions. I like Cam Newton, but it's not much of a precision. That's by about number six in the league. By about number six, there are things you don't like about him. Derek Carr's good.

Derek Carr's pretty good. Derek Carr walked into this league awful for a year. Then they got it rolling, had a very good offensive line. A little bit of a running game, he was real good. And then the Raiders did what the Raiders do. There's all sorts of dysfunction and chaos. But this is all you need to know. The five best quarterbacks in the NFL, I'm going to give them to you arguably.

Tom Brady, sixth round. Russell Wilson, third round. Drew Breeze, second round. Big Ben, third quarterback taken in his draft. and Aaron Rogers plummeted to the 24th pick. So all the general managers in the league, those are the five best. Most of them went to non-football powers. So don't kid yourself.

Even when you get the guy in house like Derek Carr and Blake Bortles, it's hard, man. This quarterback thing, John Elway, by the way, did you hear the story about John Elway yesterday? He had to release his backup, Chad Kelly. There's another guy who whiffed on. Chad Kelly kicked out of a high school team kicked out of his college team. Well, it's not like they used a very high pick on that one. No, but I mean, it's hard. Like there's certain things that are easy in the NFL, like quarterback is even when you have him in house.

This is what I was talking about yesterday, though. I don't understand it. It's not necessary for you to say that you're never going to make any moves. No one expects that. Literally no one. Fans don't expect you to not make any moves. They actually usually get mad at you if you don't. Don't say you're not going to trade anyone.

It doesn't make any sense. Just don't. We talked about this earlier this week. Baseball managers and NBA and hockey coaches, there are so many games. You can kind of say whatever you want at the podium, and it just disappears into the ether. You have a game the next night. When a football coach talks at his weekly presser, that's the only time he talks all week, and we will micro-analyze it.

Gruden came from television. He's a talker. he's highly verbal, he's wildly entertaining, he's a confident speaker, and the more he talks, the more trouble he gets in. For the record, I showed you this, Steph Curry. My staff tells me I have not been watching the Cavaliers, you know, because I'm very, very busy. I heard they're 0 and 4. Do we have a highlight reel so far of the cab season without LeBron James? Listen, they made the finals last year, so I would imagine they're fine this year. I haven't, I have not, they are 0 and 4, I've been told, worst in the NBA and point differential.

Okay, I've been told we'll have it next hour. I'd like an update on how the calves are doing. You know, I mean, they got to the finals. They only lost one player. Tristan Thompson tweeted the other day. There was a Tristan Thompson tweet. He said everything's good. And he goes, we should be the favorite because they got to the finals and they won

the Eastern Conference. Totally. I mean, so we'll check in next hour how the calves are doing. You know, I have been so busy with football in the World Series. I'm sure things are going swimmingly for the Cleveland Cavalators without LeBron. because remember Dan Gilbert told us he's needy, he's high maintenance, we're going to win championships without him. So we'll get our staff on this to check out and see how Cleveland's doing.

Greg CoSell, coming up next in LA, hour two and a Thursday, Jay Glazer 2, Tom Penn stops by it. This is The Herd, Hour 2, live in Los Angeles, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here on FS1. co-selling three minutes NFL meat sandwich. Best 10, 12 minutes of the week. If you love football, nobody's more objective or more tied in to the film of the NFL. He is like a handicapper. This guy has stuff, I don't know, didn't see.

Joy Taylor is joining me. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm very excited for this Cavs update. Well, listen, listen, if you're busy, we're right in the middle of the world series. We're very busy. You love baseball and you love football. And right now, we've got college football.

You really haven't been updated on like what happened to LeBron. and stuff. So let me just for two minutes, just give you an update on, you know, how LeBron's doing. So he has a new team now. The staff found just a random piece of video from LeBron, still the best player in the world easily in his like 16th year. Here's a random piece of video from LeBron last night with his new team. Here it is. Let's run it. Here he goes. Off the rebound. Coosman, shovel pass, LeBron, no look. McGee. Hello. Throw it down. Without question. LeBron around the back. LeBron in the lane.

LeBron off the glass. To himself. To score it. Oh, LeBron. It's almost like a... And then a steal and a try. And a chance and he nearly knocked it down. What a way that one is.

To end the half. A 44 point quarter for the Lakers. Well, 44-76 at half. He appears to be very happy in doing very well. Well, let's just check in now. Again, you're very busy. Let's check in with his old team. Yeah, I mean, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

They were in the final last year. So Tristan Thompson was on that team. And they just kept going to the finals over and over and over. They just lost one player. Tristan Thompson, quote on Twitter, we're still four-time Eastern Conference champs. So until you take us down from that, teams ain't got much to say. You know, he makes a very good point.

He makes a... Well, the first part of it wasn't a lie. Yeah. So let's update us on their game. so far. Ooh, well, they probably played the 95 Bulls, Showtime Lakers, Russell's Celtics. Who did they play in those first four where they got hammered? They played, oh, the Nets, the Hawks, the Timberwell.

Well, do we have some video? I mean, how do they look? You can, you know, a tweet and scores. Do we have some video how they look? Please. Yeah. Yeah. Super.

By the way, the NBA writers didn't think LeBron was the MVP. They should retroactive. go to James Harden House, steal the trophy, take it to the Palisades here in Los Angeles, and give it to LeBron. By the way, the calves are four in 26 and their last 30 games without LeBron James. The MVP voting last year, he didn't win it. By the way, Kauai Leonard missed the season. Spurs made the playoffs. James Harden missed 10 games. Rockets had a winning record in those 10 games.

The Cavaliers are 4 in 26. but he's not the most valuable. That team you just watched, he got him into the finals. And you bag on him because he can't beat the Warriors, the best basketball team ever, okay. We're so petty. I'm rubbing off on you, Colin.

I'm very petty. With that, my guy, Greg Kosell, over 30 years, NFL Films is joining us. We have a very interesting, very interesting week. Greg, I know you don't care about point spreads, but Green Bay is a nine and a half point dog to the Rams. That's like what the bills got at Minnesota. So

either the Rams are the greatest team ever invented or Green Bay's got limitations according to Vegas. Which is it? I think Green Bay has limitations. Yeah. I think you're... I don't know if I'd say the Rams are the greatest team ever, but Green Bay has limitations. That's a tough either or a question.

I didn't bring my number two pencil for that one. But let's talk about this. You're not a numbers guy in Vegas, but that number is telling you Vegas as like it's a one-man team. What do you see of the limitations? Well, I think that their defense is still a work in progress under the new coordinator, Mike Patton. They've been missing some players due to injury. They've struggled a bit in coverage. It's a very detailed defense with a lot

of moving parts, and it takes time. And offensively, the numbers clearly suggest, as the tape does, Colin, that they really have given up on the run game. I mean, Aaron Rogers has thrown almost 100 passes in the last two games. And he's a great quarterback. No one's arguing that point. But it's very hard to play that way. And it's also hard to play. That puts way too much pressure on your offensive line.

And if they're going to play that way this week, and they might feel that they have to, given who they're playing against, then they'll probably have some issues in pass protection. Good Lord. What a mess. You know, he was supposed to be now turning 35 in December. supposed to be the elder statesman.

The guy that right now is playing better and has a better team is Drew Brees. He's completing 77% of his throws, 13 TDs, no interceptions. How much of it, though, is Payton, Sean Payton delivering a system for him? Because I've never seen Brees this good. Let's go from Rogers in his struggles to Brees where a team went out and got, they traded two picks for Eli Apple. That tells me they think they can win this Super Bowl. That tells me they're all in on this year.

What does the tape say on Breeze this year? Well, I think Breeze is in some ways like Tom Brady in that he's very willing to sustaining throw play, and they'll take their shots based on scheme, but I think he does not force the ball when it's not there, and he's very willing to take a six- or seven-yard gain, knowing that that sustains. And I think based on what I saw on tape last week, even though the numbers weren't there, the volume was, I think their run game is getting back to where we could see what it was a year ago. where it was really the driving force of their offense because a year ago, Colin, as you probably know, I believe Breezed through the fewest number of past attempts that he has in any one of his years in New Orleans.

And I think they're going to slowly move back toward that. Yep. And I totally agree both Brady and Breeze this year have that foundational running game to support them, whereas Aaron Rogers, as you point out, does not. It's very hard, Colin, to throw the ball no matter how great your quarterback is. and we know we're in an era of some great older quarterbacks in the NFL. It's very hard to ask your quarterback to drop back 40 to 50 times a game and really have a consistent, sustaining type offense.

The numbers are there. The fantasy people love that, but it's very hard to play that way. Yeah. Let's shift to Amari Cooper. You know, he's not going to be a big fantasy guy. He's not going to have 70 catches and 12, you know, touchdowns. But if he can get the safeties to shade over, open up some trap run, plays for Dallas. I think he gives them an element they do not have, which is a very good athlete

on the perimeter. I think it's an area of need. I like, I watch these games. You watch the film, Greg. I like Dallas's front seven defensively. They're three and oh when they've scored 20 points. I think Amari Cooper, I don't know if he's worth a number one pick, but what does the film say? I think he adds real value. Well, here's the one back and three wide receivers. So now you add that that wide receiver, and he's very talented. We can talk about numbers, but he's very talented. Michael Gallup, the rookie from Colorado State, has slowly been progressing. In fact, they've been using him as their single receiver to the boundary, their ex-receiver.

Now, whether he stays there with Cooper, I don't know. But when you line up with three-wide, you're also setting up your run game much better because you're spreading the defense out. It's very hard to consistently run into what we call a heavy box, where there's a lot of defenders inside the box for the defense. you spread the defense out, and now Zeke Elliott can become a more effective player as well. So it has that ancillary impact on your offense. You get more talent, a wide receiver, but you also can run the ball theoretically better. Yeah, I think it's going to work. And again, I don't play fantasy football.

I'm for my audience playing it. But, you know, there are some things that I don't know if they're worth the money, but it seems to me when I look at Dallas, I see the defense, I see the left tackle, I see the running back. there's a lot of things I like about this team. I don't like them on the boundary. Now, suddenly I do. I want to shift to an ingre...

I am so happy for Philip Rivers. And I think, Greg, I am so... First of all, people aren't watching the Chargers play. Even in Los Angeles, they're watching the Rams. They are so aggressive. They are so good on the perimeter. And they've been doing this without Bosa. I got to tell you, even in Los Angeles, I tell my friends,

I'm not so sure the Chargers don't have better personnel in a lot of spots than the Rams. What are you seeing with this offense? Well, they're very talented on the perimeter. They've got three big wide receivers, and that really is helpful for a quarterback like Rivers, Rivers, who's always been a turn-it-loose, aggressive thrower. He will throw the football. They attack the seams. They attack vertically. There's a lot of intermediate crossers. This is not a dink and dunk offense. They push it down the field. They can run the ball. They can also line up in two tight ends and run the ball. They have a back in Austin Eccler, who's a terrific compliment for Gordon, who also can line up, detach from the formation. So they have every dimension you could want as an

offense. And Rivers, just like Breeze and Brady, is outstanding before the snap of the football. He reminds me sometimes of Andrew Luck, where he lets go of a ball and I'm like, oh, Andrew, what are you doing? And I want to shift to Andrew Luck because Chris Ballard took some heat, the GM, for going with two offensive linemen in his first few picks. But here's what I notice. He's not getting sacked as much. In fact, I read something the other day. He hasn't been sacked on like 150 dropbacks.

It looks like luck, at least. He may not have great weapons, but it does look like he's got more time to throw this year. Well, I think that's a function, too, of the offensive approach. I think it's a quicker pass game. The ball is coming out. Therefore, the ball's not being thrown down the field as much. If you watch them carefully, you're not seeing the deep balls.

thrown a lot. And do you need to do that once in a while? Yes, but that's, they used to really push it down the field. And that was actually a strength of luck because he was willing to do that. But now, with an understanding of an offensive line that's young and emerging, they're going with a quicker pass game. Now, they're not going to play an offense like the bills every week where they're going to be way ahead. But the key is not too many dropbacks. Last week, I think he dropped back less than 25 times. That won't happen every week, but you have to control that. And if Marlon Mac can present some kind of running game, then their offense is actually pretty good. Yeah, no, Marlon Mac has kind of flourished.

I'm glad you brought him up. No, I watched him last week, and I'm like, you know what? This is not a great roster yet, but they've done it. No. It's not a great roster, and they have to get him more weapons. But what I liked was he's not taking the body shots. I want to segue to Patrick Mahomes. And I get a lot of anger at this.

Like, Colin, you didn't buy Aaron Rogers when he first came. came in. Listen, I like Patrick Mahomes. I want to see him in sleet and hail. I want to see him when he has his offensive line breaks down. I still think he plays flag football sometimes. The next couple of weeks, he's got some tough opponents. Do you have, I still have my doubts. I know he's great. I know he's a talent. But what do you think going forward do you want to look at with Patrick Mahomes? Well, I think that, let's put it this way. I think he's a talented quarterback in a great offense because what I notice when I watch their offense, and this gets away from Mahomes, per se, but what I notice when I watch their offenses, they feature multiple personnel packages,

they feature multiple formation looks, they do a ton of shifting in motions, and there's such an emphasis on misdirection and deception in the play calling. So I'm not saying it's easy for Mahomes, believe me, it's never easy for an NFL quarterback, but the Chiefs do so much to cause problems for defenses. Look at what the Bengals did this week. The Bengals basically, said, boy, there's too much going on. We're just going to play a basic, simple defense because we can't handle all this stuff, and we don't have enough good people to handle it, because they've got weapons as well, obviously, the Chiefs. So he is in a great, great situation. There's times in every game where he's undisciplined, but they have so much talent and they do

so many good things, and their defenses started to play a little better, that it's very hard for them not to put up some points over the course of four quarters. By the way, let's shift the Deshawn Watson, who has some weapons too, but I don't think he has the offensive line. No. I mean, remember, he started hot, then this year he got beat up. I still like him. I do, too. I do.

When I watch him, he was my favorite quarterback coming out of that draft, but I said, I don't know if he's a superstar, but there's too much to like. I would take him if he was available. Let's do an update on Deshawn Watson. What do you see? I think that last week was another great example because their defense, which is actually can be very good, was able to take control of the game, and he dropped back in that game, I think, 25 or less times. You can't drop him back 45 times, Colin, at this point in his career for two reasons. The offensive line can't handle it, and he can't handle it, because the more he drops back, the more he becomes a little too

random. He has a tendency to drop his eyes. He has a tendency to leave the pocket prematurely. He can't get hit the way he's been hit this year. He's not a big body for a quarterback. He needs the game to be far more controlled. And then I think he can't. can grow into that. But I think he's a very good thrower. And he certainly has movement skills. But I like Sean Watson. I think that he'll develop into a really fine player. Yeah, just got to get him some help. Like Andrew Locke, you can only take that beating for so long. That's correct. Yeah. And he's taken too much of a beating. But there's just to me, there's too much to like with him. Plus, I don't get any off the field nonsense.

No, he's a great, great kid. Great kid. No nonsense off the field, which, by the way, at that position, it matters. Okay, finally, I watched every second of the Eagles and Panthers. It was wildly entertaining. Yep. And Cam in the fourth was Cam at his best. You know, I always struggle with his mechanics because he throws too much arm, not enough base, but I watched him in the fourth quarter. I love the play calling. I loved, I love he went over the top. I love the accuracy. Your play of the week is Cam. Yeah, and he was as refined and disciplined in the pocket on those three drives, I think, as we've seen him over a strong. You know, obviously he's always had moments like that, but I thought he was terrific. And you know, I want to show the final touchdown, and let's start it right now, because these plays, when people see them, they always wonder why guys are so wide open. These plays are so hard to defend.

And I want to show you why. There's two factors immediately. The tight alignment of Greg Olson, that makes it tough for the defense. And then Chris Manhart, he's going to go in motion. Now, when you're down here at the goal line, teams play man to man. they have to. Leroy Reynolds has Olson man to man. Okay, now Malcolm Jenkins, he has Manhurtz, who's the motion tight end, man to man. But the problem is, as we switch the angle, and there's Reynolds on Olson, and you're going to see exactly what happens here, as you see

Jenkins again on Manhart's just so people can see the change in the angle. This, everything about this looks like run, because what happens is you've got the ISO lead look, and then you have Cam Newton showing the ball to McCaffrey in the backfield. So what happens is Jenkins steps up to play Mannhurt, so looks like run to him. And then what Greg Olson does that's so good is he shows as if he's going to block. And what that does is it gets Leroy Reynolds, his man-coverage defender, eyes in the backfield because everything says run, and then it's too late.

So these kinds of plays are really difficult to defend. The Saints scored a touchdown on the exact same play to Benjamin Watson this week as well. And then people probably say, why are guys so open? It's so hard down at the goal line because that man, that man coverage when you have a pass run responsibility, it puts you in such major conflict. So good. Greg CoSell, 30-plus year NFL films. It gets smarter every time I watch and listen, Greg CoSell. Nice talking to you, bud. Thanks, Tom.

Jay Glazer, Tom Penn, join us. Coming up next, in the history of sports, the two greatest things, and they're not what you. what you think. And it's the only two great things in sports where there's not even an argument. You would be silly to argue them. And it ain't LeBron MJ. That's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Thursday night football returns tonight is the Sean Watson and the Red Hot Texans. Take on the Dolphins. It all starts at 7.30 Eastern on Fox and the Bell Network and streaming on Prime Video. This is actually a huge game for the Texans. This is a gigantic game for the

Houston Texans. They're in first place. Saxonville's not what we thought. Titans aren't what we thought. Indianapolis is back. They can really secure their position to Sean Watson. It's a huge game for the Houston Texans franchise tonight. They got the quarterback. They've been in first before, didn't have their quarterback,

and they'll be facing Brock Tober. More on that later. Okay, now every once in a while, two or three times a year, Steph Curry has to remind us, yeah, I'm the greatest shooter of all time. And last night was one of those nights. Watch. Is you feeling it?

Yes. There is. Now, Steph has 11 points in the last minute and a half. Curry has not scored this quarter until now. And Beal smelled it out. Curry three. Oh, I'm not moving for them. They've almost degraded into it.

Folks, it's not close. Like, do you understand? that he right now only trails about four guys all time and three-pointers made, and he's played half as many games or less or fewer than those guys. He is going to win, he is going to double virtually every other three-point shooter, the greatest of all time. It's like the gap in hockey between Wayne Gretzky and the second best player ever. If you took Wayne Gretzky, if you took his goals away,

and he's the leading goal score in hockey history. If you took all of his goals away, just on assists, he'd have more points than any hockey player ever. If you took every goal away, and by the way, he's the all-time leading goal score, he would still have more points than anybody in hockey history. It's the Grand Canyon. There's Gretzky, and then there's just like, you know,

the other guys who were really good. Like there's Steph Curry, he's going to be Gretzky. He's going to blow past all these shots. shooters like Ray Allen in about a year and a half, two years, and then play another seven. Folks, Steph Curry shoots three-pointers at a higher percentage than Russell Westbrook shoots field goals, and that includes layups and dunks for Westbrook. Westbrook's career at this point is a lot of layups, breaking free, a lot of points at the rim.

Steph Curry shoots better at three-pointers than Westbrook shoots counting layups and dunks. Steve Kerr talked about the greatness of Steph Curry after the game. You get a guy taking 40 footers and you're on the sidelines going, yeah, that's a good shot. Good job. Explain that. We've never seen this before. James Harden is considered a great score and a great shooter. His three-point percentage is 36%. Steph is at 44.

Steph this year shooting 52. This is Gretsky. Michael Jordan and LeBron, you can make a lot of arguments. There's not even, the second best shooter analytically all time is Steve Nash. Reggie Miller wasn't close to this. Jason Terry, Kyle Corver. I get Ray Allen. He's so far above everybody.

He's going to blow past these guys in a year and a half to two years. And you'll be able to say when he's done playing, If you take out his first seven years in the league, he still has more three-pointers than anybody else. He's just, you can do things with Steph Curry spread the floor. You just can't. And he's also, for the record, he's also the best ball handler in the league. And maybe the smartest player in the league.

Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Speaking of smarts, the Rams are the last undefeated team in the NFL. and Sean McVay is one of the main reasons why. Yeah. And Rams GM, Les Sneed likened him to a very well-known coach, Nick Saban.

He said on the Jim Rome show that their similarities as football coaches are clear as day. If you meet the two, they're probably, and you were out to dinner with them, you might not think they're similar at all in terms of personality. But I do think at the core of what they're trying to accomplish, you know, in their role. is head football coach very, very similar. Both of them are football savants. Both of them are really, really good teachers. Both of them have very, very high standards

and do their best to prepare their players to meet those standards. So I think that's the similarity that Big Witts talking about. It's high praise for Sean McVeigh, although I would say that I don't think that Sean McVeigh is a grump. Yeah. No, I mean, again, at dinner, you wouldn't see it. But there are people in every business that are just a little quicker, like just a little faster. And, I mean, we've never seen a college football dynasty like this before. As you can talk to all about all the great ones, the Pete Carroll dynasty, the, you know, the Woody Hayes dynasty.

We've never seen anything like this. And the Rams, in a highly competitive league, they're a nine and a half point favorite over Aaron. Ron Rogers this weekend. That's a remarkable. I can't remember a Hall of Fame quarterback getting a touchdown. And that's not like a weather issue, like Dan Marino going to play in the snow. No, it's like a much better all-around team. By a mile. Coaching. Consistency. By a mile. By a mile. Okay. So Judah Smith-Schuster says he has a good reason for buying a bunch of mega-million's tickets. Did you buy a lottery ticket? No, did anybody win?

Yeah, somebody won. I don't know if it's been playing yet. I think the ticket was all the money up for. Or would you stretch it out over time? You know, because they always say... There are people that don't take the lump sum? Oh, I wouldn't take the lump sum. What do you mean? Okay, first of all, you have to take... If you take the lump sum...

You take less. You take 75%. So I'm not given the government 25% back. I mean, what did it go up to? What was the final number? It was at 1.6. A 1.6 billion? I'm not giving any of it back.

Secondly, we've had a nine-year run in the stock market of up. We're about to crash. I'm not going to get all that money, put it in the market, and then in a year, I loaves all the money in the market. I want you, I want to get every cent knowing. See, if you take all the money up front, there's pressure not to lose it. But if I get 30 years of checks, I can just literally drink cocktails all day and not worry about it. 30 years. Oh, I got 30 years left.

And can you even transfer it to your family? Like, you got to get the sum. No, kids get none of it. Kids get none of it? Why give them a drug habit? There's no point of giving kids that much money. Well, I mean, just wait until they turn. 35 or something. I'll give it to a butterfly museum or something.

Oh, give it to a butterfly museum. But you got to, you know what? This is why you don't play this lottery because you're far too rational about it. You're going to break down the percentages of what your odds are to win. Anyway, he bought over 100 tickets. He did not win. It was 1.6 billion. And he, according to Jeremy Fowler, Juju wanted to give Levy on Bell the massive contract he's been seeking. Juju Smith-Shooster, he tweeted out, bought 100 plus mega million tickets this week. And interview concluded. He said, I tried to win some so we could get Levy on back and it didn't work. The odds are pretty staggering, over $300, $1,300 million.

Don't you think it'd be stressful if somebody gave you $500 million and all of a sudden you put it in the market, and the market tanked, and all of a sudden you're freaking out? And it's like, or would you rather have $30 million a year until you die? Sometimes I doubt if there's space aliens and then you say stuff like that. What do you mean would I be stressed out if someone gave me $500 million? And it was down to $250 million in two days because Trump said something. and trash the market. Well, where are you going to put it at? You buy property and invest in businesses.

Give some to your family. By the way, because of global warming, you'll buy Miami two hours later. It's underwater. Well, I'm not going to buy Miami or, you know, a lot in California. We've got earthquakes. But there's other places in the world. You know what I want? I want to sit back in a chair and be like, waiter, another cocktail.

I got $30 million coming next June. That's what I want. That's what I want. Finally, Kevin Durantz is. not expecting to face the Wizards in the NBA finals in the spring and he gave last night Steve Kerr

a brutal reason to be asked to take out of the game. Katie said sub me out I don't want to play anymore man. They weak this video of this which I assume that we're playing but do you feel like that's disrespectful? Here we go. Here's the video. I don't want to play anymore. They

weak. Were they playing the Wizards? Yes. Oh my God. He had 38 and 7 and a plus minus of 26 in 31 minutes. Sub me out. That is the there's the great John Wall. Do you have a problem with this? You feel like it's disrespectful? No, I think it is

it's just, you know, that's what guys used to say when they played me at the Y. Sub me out, Coward's Week. It's not even worth it. I mean, that is, that, I've never seen an NBA facial. That's the greatest piece of video. That's better than the Steph Curry video. I don't have a problem with this at all. If this is, this is college or high school or something maybe, but

these are the pros. You just got to go out there and beat them. That's his hometown team, too. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. We got Jay Glazer next hour. Yeah, that whole lottery thing.

Somebody won, huh? All right. I just don't like stress. I don't want to have so much money. You know, financial advisors always tell you, take the money up front. You know why? Because they want your money.

I don't want the stress. I mean, I'm not great of math. It's not my gift. But like $1.6 billion. You've got to pay taxes on it. Let's say it goes down to what? Well, it goes down to $950 million. And then what?

And then you put it in the market. You don't have to put it all in the stock market. Nobody said you have to do that. Yeah, all good money goes to the stock market. There's lots of other ways you can invest your money. You know, in avocado farms. You can buy art. It never depreciates in value.

Art? Yes. Art who? Art. Art. Art. Art. Art.

Art. Art. Art. And my, I got to tell you something, we were, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we are, we are thinking about Aaron Rogers is a nine and a half point underdog this weekend. And there is something happening to Aaron Rogers, which is, is kind of a bummer if you love Aaron Rogers. And I don't think anybody's talked about this. And we'll talk about that around the corner as well. That's coming up.

He is an NBA salary expert, salary cap expert. He used to run the blazers. Memphis Grizzlies. He's my buddy now. He's the co-owner and the president of L.A.F.C., the L.A. Football Club, which is, by the way, going to make the playoffs. Get to that in a second. We had you on six months ago. Tom Penn is joining us. And I said, what's going to happen to LeBron James? And you said, no doubt about it, he's going to be a Laker. You were more confident than any guest I had. And there's a story out today from an NBA executive that says, Kevin Durant's changing teams, Kyrie's changing teams, and Kauai Leonard's change in. teams. Let's start with KD. Mr. Soothsayer, Tom Penn. What is your gut feeling? You'd be leaving the greatest dynasty of my life potentially. I think he stays. Why?

You just said it. Greatest dynasty of his life. I think they're happy. It's a joyous place. They love to play together. Last year was their hard year. You look at how much trouble and turmoil they had and they came through it and still won it. I think they got a little more smooth sailing this year, a lot more fun. Houston's not quite as good. Yeah, Houston's not quite as good. Well, who knows? They might be when they get their act together.

But they're still the clear favorites. And so much of this is the grind and it's hard to get through all this. That's what LeBron got into, right? Just the grind of it all in Cleveland became too much. Let's go to the sunshine, go to something new. I think, KD, there's not a grind there the way there is in other places. Steve Kerr's an amazing guy to play for. It's a highest-quality organization.

I think he stays. So you would sell them on that. You're Steve Kerr, you read that, and all of a sudden you've got teams you know that are private jetting them around the country. You'd sell them on joyful, quality of life, new arena, California. That's the sales pitch. Heck yeah. Okay. Let's go to Kauai Leonard, who's a heck of a player.

Canada's got the taxes. People are going to be flying them on private jets. How do you keep them into – first of all, what's your guess on what Kauai does? I don't know. I don't know Kauai well enough. Not that I know these other guys well enough. but that situation is more unpredictable. He's a quirky and he's an odd and he's a difficult person.

I don't know if he falls in love with Toronto and stays in love with Toronto or if he does have his eyes on the prize here in L.A. and wants to come here. I think a lot of it is going to play out, but it's not a automatic. We were sitting here thinking Paul George was an automatic. He stayed. There are reasons players stay. Part of it's financial. You can get that extra money.

Part of it is just it feels good. We'll see what happens in Toronto. Great start. I mean, what a reminder of how phenomenal this guy is as a player. Yeah. Let's go to Kyrie Irving, who thinks the world's flat. He did at one point. Again, a little bit of a quirky personality, not as quirky, a little more verbal.

So you could talk to him. You could sit down with him, get a feel for him. But he is also somebody that he had a very brief career at Duke, didn't feel like he was a star. And he goes to Cleveland and felt like he was sort of overwhelmed. He wasn't the star. Then he goes to Boston. And now Jason Tatum is emerging.

Does he maybe not feel like I'm the star? Brad Stevens feels like almost he's a star. Can you see a situation where Kyrie strong personality bolts? Yeah, I think he does leave. You do? Yeah, for those reasons, plus mostly the financial pressure. If they're going to keep the young guys that they should invest in, Tatum and Brown they should invest in,

Kyrie, at his number, you know, at a full max number, is going to be so big that he likely moves. I think he goes to New York. Let me ask you something. Would it be the worst thing? Now, you're Danny Aange, who's done a great job. You sort of look at it, you could make an argument. They could be fine without him?

Yeah, well, they were last year. I mean, they needed him to get over the hump, maybe. But as the youth comes along, and as the rest of that super deep roster evolves, Danny may trade him because he's likely to know that he's not going to re-sign him. Very interesting. Tom Penn, former NBA Bigwig, a couple of teams now owner, co-owner, President L.A.F.C., of which I'm a season ticket holder for one team in Los Angeles. I like that. Thank you. Will Ferrell, sit right behind me. Nomar Garcia, Paramea,

ham sit right directly behind me. So it's a fun environment. Great stadium. Okay, let's do a little LeBron. I came into the year knowing LeBron would make the Lakers better, and they don't have enough shooters. What I didn't know is Lanzo LeBronzo, I got to tell you, Tom, I've watched all four games. Lanzo fits better than Rondo with LeBron. I think he does. he looks stronger. I think he's a better shooter. I think in 2018, I think Lanzo works better with LeBron. Yeah, well, that's not the issue or the question. The question is, does Lanzo fit with LeBron long-term? And that's what they need to decide. He's definitely where the future is if they keep him. And last night was a good example. What, 12, 6 and 7, LeBron learned last night this guy can play.

you know, this guy could fit with me. The evaluation process this year is all about the young guys. When Coosma goes for 37, you know, LeBron's like, okay, kid, when ball comes and plays the way he plays, as Ingram comes along, this year's all about sorting out who do they keep and build around and then adding in that other free agent. They've kept all their cap flexibility for next year for that reason alone. So he's in the evaluation period of who's with me for the long haul. If you, Tom, you've been in this situation before, Kuzma's young, Ingram's young, Josh Hart is surprisingly good and young, Lonzo Ball is young. If you had to make a choice today, and you can't keep them all, right?

You can't? You can? Yeah, they're all low numbers. That's the other thing with youth and in the rookie pipeline. They're all low salary numbers. You can keep those guys. It's a question until Julius Randall's contract expires and then you've got to re-sign them. But these other guys are still young and in the pipeline.

They're going to keep those guys. It's a question of fit. Similar to what LeBron did at Cleveland. He went and Kyrie's young, all those other young players. He makes them all so much better, and then they just see who's in it for the long haul. Yeah. All right. So I am a season ticket holder to one team.

MLS is in Los Angeles. There's two teams now. And it used to be one, and they won a title. And now there's yours with the other ones. You guys are rivals. But it's a different thing. It's urban. It's downtown.

It's right next to the Coliseum. you did something that in American sports is amazing. I thought it was genius. I've witnessed it multiple times. It is something you do behind the goal. Explain it, how it happened, and then we'll show video. The 3252. Yeah.

Yeah, our supporters. Look, in global soccer culture, there are the supporters, the avid fans that sing the entire match. We see that with international soccer. Yeah, well, it's here in L.A. as well. The 3252, and that coincides with the number of seats in the north end of the stadium. They sing and chant the entire game. They never stop.

It's a total spectacle. And it's what everybody remembers. And it's getting global attention because the rest of the world says, if you don't think America has passion for football, look at this. And this was a community that was built really one by one here in Los Angeles. It was like a political movement. There were early adopters, the passionate leaders, the guys you see right there that are up on the stands, the capos, they call them,

leading all of the songs. It's an amazing community. These are really quality people. They're embedded with the club. You, by the way, you created this. So you said to yourself, we want to create something special. We co-created it. You co-created it.

You flew a bunch of them overseas. We did. Tell the story. The core group went to Germany. They went to Dortmund. Which has the greatest fan base. The yellow wall. It's called the Yellow Wall and soccer.

It's the most active fan base in a stadium in the world. It's what you just saw there, but it's 25,000. people in one end zone unified organized it's awesome so it's like that but instead of 32 52 52 they're at 25000 but our supporter group went over our leaders met with them and just listened and learned and understood how deep it goes into the fabric of the club we don't use the word franchise we use the word club and we mean it and it's a it's a unique thing in soccer okay let's play the sound up on this so i've been to these games Everybody I take to these games is like they don't sit down.

I'm like, no, this is too... You can toss you in the middle of that, Colin. It's amazing. Get active. Well, that's too much for me. I sit by Will Ferrell and Mia Hamm and have a beer. So, yeah, Will's an owner. Me is a co-owner of the team.

Nomar's a co-owner. And here's the thing. This experience brings joy. Oh, don't question. This is what sports is about joy. It just brings joy to be. people. That's part of our, that's our mission. You know, that's our purpose. That's what happens with the Warriors. When you go to a game, it's just a joyous feeling. This is a joyous expression

and a feeling because of the 32.52. It's fun. Okay, by the way, I got a minute left. So the NBA doesn't like college basketball. We know that. Adam Silver doesn't like it. So he's created the G League, and now they're paying him 125. He wants kids to be able to go to the G League and just say, no, college basketball is bad. Let me make an argument quickly. Kuzma went to college four years. Josh Hart went to college four years. They're more ready to play the Brandon Ingram. College basketball is not evil, your take. Agree. It's the best farm system we got, for sure, because, number one, if you get good coaching in those situations, you get a chance to develop.

I mean, Josh Hart, he had a phenomenal coach. Jay Wright. Learned how to play, learned how to win. And then you learn how to play under pressure. You learn how to pray in front of an audience. You know, you go play in front of 60,000 people in the national championship game, even 12,000 people every single. Saturday or every Friday, that matters. So that's where you're breeding and developing the core qualities you need to win.

Yeah. Tom Penn, great seeing you, bud. Good to see you. I think you owe me lunch. I do. You do. Because the last time you took me to apply, I didn't love that place. Really?

Yeah, it was okay. You know, my standards are very, very needy. You are persnickety. I've never used that word. I've never heard that word. I like that word. Hour three next. Ah, hour three live.

in Los Angeles. This is the herd, wherever you may be. And however, you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here on FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me today. We've had all, we've given you everything today. We had Greg CoSell breaking down all sorts NFL stuff that was amazing. Just had Tom Penn on some Kevin Durant rumors about he's going to leave.

He thinks Kevin Durant stays. He thinks Kyrie Irving leaves. and he's not sure about Kauai Leonard. And he was the guy that said, we brought him on the couch six months ago. He said, LeBron's going to be a Laker. There's no doubt about it. So when Tommy talks about all these guys moving around, he usually has a good feel for it. Tonight, by the way, Brock Tober, Brock Oswider returns dolphins in Houston to take on Texans.

Huge game for the Texans tonight. Also, NBA double-header Celtics face Oklahoma City. Russell Westbrook and the Thunder are O&3. The nuggets are 4-0. They'll host, are they at the Lakers tonight? Oh, God, Lakeer's schedule's rough. The World Series last night, Red Sox went up 2-0 on the Dodgers at Fenway Park.

But don't blame Dave Roberts. In the NFL, Pete Carroll makes $7.5 million. That's double what his general manager makes. Sean Payton of the Saints makes $9 million a year. That's triple what his GM makes. But with the Dodgers, the general manager, Andrew Friedman, makes $7 million a year, and the manager Dave Roberts makes $1 million. So stop blaming him.

He wasn't allowed to play his best players last night because the guys upstairs run baseball. Everybody wants to. Did Dave Roberts just get dumb? Didn't he make all the great moves against Milwaukee? No, he just got dumb in a week. No. The difference between that game last night is the, Red Sox played all their best players, and their stars were allowed to be stars.

And Mookie Betts, a star, three hits. J.D. Martinez, star, huge RBI, two RBI single. David Price, star, sixth grade innings. Dave Roberts went to his front office and said, I can't wait to, we're a home run hitting team. I'm going to pay. Oh, no, you can't play your home run hitters. What, what do you mean? We were second in baseball and home runs.

We led the National League in home runs, but the analytics overruled it. upstairs and said Cody Bellinger's not going to play. I want you to think about that. Cody Bellinger was the National League Championship Series MVP, and he has not started for the first two games. Because he bats left-handed, and David Price is a left-hander, and the numbers and the projector and the nerds and the analytics. Dave Roberts wasn't allowed to play his stars.

Can you imagine telling Mike Dantonia the Rockets? You can't start James Hardin and play him. Can I play him later? Yeah, a couple minutes late in the game. Why? Well, analytics say he'll strike. Can you imagine Belichick being told by his general manager? Can't play gronk?

What about in the... No, no, no, no. Analytics say you cannot play gronk. He doesn't match up. Folks, the Dodgers, three leading home run hitters, none started. Their National League Championship Series MVP, didn't get a start. Their three leading home run hitters got three at bats, a whole game combined. Come on.

You want to blame... Listen, don't blame the bagel if you're over. And don't blame traffic if you're late to work. Leave earlier. Eat better. It's ridiculous to keep beating up on these managers. To me, in October stars Trump analytics. I want manaletics.

And David Ortiz and Arod after the game were saying, basically, you didn't play Bellinger. What did you expect? They neutered their MVP. You can see it in his face. You see the body language. He's got family. He's got friends. texting.

I'm saying, didn't you just win the MVP, bro? In the play of nobody needed a day off. You go with your tundle, no matter what. Nobody's their struggle or not. The fans want to see that guy in the line up. And the longest, you don't have those guys in the line, no. You're not going to get to where you want to be. Dave Roberts handcuffed last night by guys upstairs in a binder.

And the guy upstairs is making $7 million, and the manager's making a million. That tells me who should take the heat. And it's not the guy wearing the Dodger hat in the dugout. It's the guy upstairs. Let me shift to this. we knew coming into this season for the Lakers. We knew some things. We knew LeBron was going to make the Lakers better.

We knew they didn't have a lot of three-point shooters. The one question we had, and I didn't have an answer for it, I had to see it pan out. I mean, I knew LeBron would make him better. He has. They won last night, B Phoenix. And I knew they didn't have enough three-point shooters. That stuff was easy.

But the one thing I said, I'm not sure. I got to watch it pan out. Rondo or Lonzo? Who fits better with LeBron? Now, LeBron can make them both work, but you'd prefer one's easier to play with. Well, we have an answer. Lonzo Ball should be starting. Lonzo ball now that Rondo, and Rondo's got nobody to blame but Rondo, Rondo gets into a fight,

Rondo is the agitator, Lanzo's more of a lubricator, Lonzo's allowed to play now and getting more minutes. Why? Because once again, Rondo agitates gets into a fight, And last night, 12 point, seven rebound, six assists. At one point, the Lakers had 30 assists to three turnovers. Lonzo's not a heavy turnover guy. He needs to start.

And, you know, again, Rondo's got nobody to blame but Rondo on this. And the Lakers are playing intentionally fast because they don't have a bunch of shooters. They have a ton of depth. They had 76 at half. Their style this year, because of their limitations on shooting, is play intentionally fast. I mean, they're just flying up and down the court. So if you're going to fly up and down the court and that's the style that's going to work, and that's what Magic thinks, Luke thinks, LeBron thinks, Rob Polinka thinks, everybody knows that.

We're deep, we're young, we're athletic, we can run. We're not going to win a shooting contest. If that's the style you're going to do, Lonzo's got to be your guy. Because I just, I was talking about this yesterday. I had lunch Saturday with Darry-Mory Houston Rockets. I'm not going to get into specific players, but we had this conversation at lunch. And it didn't include Lonzo or Rondo. But there's a lot of guys in the United States.

NBA, they over-dribble, over-dribble, over-dribble, over-dribble. When there's an assist available, then they do it because they want the assist. Now, Rondo's very much like that. Rondo is a dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, dribbler, he'll pass up shots, dribbler, dribbler, he wants the assist. He'll take the air out of the ball. Lonzo's not that kind of player. But Mori and I were talking about this.

There are a lot of NBA guards that end up with eight assists, and they're really selfish players. not all assist totals are the same. Rondo has always been, I'll play big in the playoffs, I'll play big in TV games, and I want the assist number. Lonzo doesn't give a rip. And the Lakers four games this year, 130, 140, 115, 119, they're going to move the ball up and down the court. Lonzo fits better. And by the way, Lonzo now is stronger than last year, and Lonzo is clearly a better shooter than last year. The two things we worry about Lonzo, my two knocks on him last year were he doesn't look like an NBA body.

he looked like a college athlete playing NBA basketball. He looks bigger now. He looks like he put on 8 to 10 pounds. He looks bigger and stronger. I always liked his length. I always liked his vision. But I'm like he doesn't look like an NBA guard needs to look. He does now.

Secondly, I said he's got to get the shot. I don't care if he fixes it. He's just got to hit more threes. And now he is. Here's a sequence last night, a sequence from who the Lakers should be starting alongside LeBron. LeBron will bring the dribble across. Over to Lonzo.

In rhythm for three. Yes, sir. Assists to LeBron. Three-pointer for Lonzo. LeBron lobs it in. Lonzo in good position for the mismatch against Canaan. LeBron, he sought. Lonzo did two and one.

Right wing. Lonzo, look at this. Throw it down. Tomahawksma on the beautiful shovel assist from Lonzo. Lonzo Ball style fits the style the Lakers are going to play to succeed this year much better. By the way, they play a much better team tonight, the Denver Nuggets. So a little honeymoon here on the W, but they play the Nuggets tonight, a loaded team. And by the way, Russell Westbrook's team hosts Boston.

They haven't won a game either. I could spend hours on that. But, you know, Jay Glazer is around the corner with some inside NFL news and breaking NFL stuff. We'll get you up to date. We're still in the trade window. We're still very much for the next five days in the NFL trade window. And these young GMs, Trent Dilfer talked about this, Peter King talked about this. Young GMs, they're into trading.

And they got five days left to do it until Tuesday at four. So we'll update you with Jay Glazer. And some thoughts on Aaron Rogers, who has become a tweener in the NFL. As weird as that is to say, we'll explain. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week. within the IHeart radio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand

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We are in the midst. We are in the midst, Jay, of the NFL trading deadline. You know, there was a time, Jimmy Johnson always talks about this. There was a time nobody traded. Yeah. And Jimmy came in and people were like, oh, that's kind of crazy. Right. And now, the other day, Dilper and Peter King said that, you know, these new GMs and coaches,

they don't mind trades at all. But it's not so much that. There's two things. And you and I talked about early in the off season. The Eagles, they were wield and deal themselves all the way to a Super Bowl last year. but the Khalil-Mack trade, that made all the difference in the world. Because teams all of a sudden started opening up the coffers like they never have for a guy, and it's worked out so well for the Bears.

Other teams going, maybe we could do something like that also. Like, it's, you know, draft picks used to be hard. You're right, to get a fourth out of somebody. And now a Cowboys say, okay, we'll give a one for Cooper. All right, we're going to go up and give multiple picks. It's a copycat lead. Yes, for Mac. It absolutely is.

And I think that the Khalil Mac trade is really what. out teams to think a little bit more out of the box. And even so, even after the teams that didn't get Mac, they were still willing to say, hey, we were willing to trade this for Calil Mac. Let's identify some of those other great player pass rushers

and offer a similar deal, some of these other teams. So like a team like the Jets, they went and called about Chandler Jones right after that. You know, why not? They were in it for Calil Mac. There were, there were three teams who kind of went down the end. It was the Bears, the Jets, and the 49ers. For Khalil Ma.

Yeah, for Kalima. Wow. And the backers were in it also. Nineers are trying hard. Oh, my God. They already have a pass rush. There's no way, though, that Gruden would let Kalilmax stay in the air. That's a good point.

No possible way. That's a good point. They thought they were. You know, look, John Lynch is the same guy I was telling you about last year. I came on right, and I told you guys that he had the chutzpah to call Bellochek and say, would you trade us Tom Brady? And, you know, Belichick said, what did you just ask me? He's like, would you trade us Brady?

And he's like, he just asked me. me if I trade you the greatest quarterback of all time? You just ask me if I trade you the best Cuba you ever lived. And Lynch said, is that a no? But he's like, I had to try. Sure. And they eventually got Garoppolo. You got to make the call in life. You got to make the call in life.

So it's interesting with Lavian Bell. The two teams that I felt Chris Ballard with the Colts, I do believe Andrew Luck could use a weapon, and I do think Sam Darnold, they just lost a running back for the year. The Jets and Colts feel like Lavian Bell could potentially work. Now, the Steelers,

wouldn't necessarily want... Couldn't necessarily want Labian Bell and the AFC, maybe. Did you ever buy into these Lavian Bell rumors? No, here's the problem with Lavian Bell. I just talked to a team yesterday about Lavian Bell who said, look, we'd love him. But the problem is, is what we'd have to give up for him,

even if we turn around and have like this wink-wink, okay, we'll get a new contract for next year, what's to say in seven weeks from now? He goes, now I'm not doing it. So all of a sudden you give up a pretty big bounty there, and he leaves after a year. Look, the Rams, it happened to walk in with Wachins last year. Seahawks, I think, with Richardson, right?

He just won and done. So it's just, you know, they don't want to give up a two or three or whatever it is. To rent him. And to rent him for a few weeks, you don't even know the type of shape that he's in, even though they know the upside, and even though you could say to the agent, kind of off the record, even though that's tampering. We know there's no tampering that goes around the NFL. what's to prevent them from changing their mind.

But here's the thing, by the way, with Levi-on-Bell. We talked about this on Foxen-Fel Sunday. They finally had talks last week. So he didn't show up. They finally had talks. Steelers did. Steelers and Bell's representatives. But what's happening now is that they want to put him on a two-week roster

exemption list, which they have every right to do. But they don't want to pay him during that time, which they don't have to. They've got to get Levi-on-Bell to agree to that before he even signs his franchise. That's 10-9. Why would he sign to that? Well, that's why he's not in. But that's what they're talking about right now.

I'm a superstar. Why am I going to do that? Well, because I think they've both dug their heels in. Right now, we're rolling with James Cooper. Why not? And they save money for every week. They get cap credit. Okay.

All right, let's talk John Gruden. I didn't agree with the Cleo Mac deal, but it's done. The Amari Cooper deal, I thought he got, I'm okay with both. I think he got value, but I think Dallas needs a perimeter player. Was Amari Cooper shopped around the league? Yeah, we reported that. We were the first one to report on. Okay.

right after your show. Do you not watch Fox and Vauxahue and serve bagels? Harry, Terry, Jimmy, and Stray, and then when I come on, you turn me off. No, they have bagels and locks in there. They do. And so I eat. Sometimes I don't want, I just go have, David. It's the best breakfast.

And now it's the bagel break for me. The best food. Is this a Jewish thing? Is that what you're doing? No. The best food in L.A. is in the avocado room during your show. It is. How about?

I brought my kid Sammy the other day in the show and all his friends. And I'm like, great, you're going to come out here. watch it live. No. I want to eat breakfast for my friends. It's incredible. My kid could care less. I mean, nothing can be food. They're watching a live TV show. They wanted the bagels and locks. So who else was in the Amari Cooper deal? So, but here, so we reported this two weeks ago

that, you know, it wasn't just Mac. They were looking to trade Cooper. They're looking to trade Carl Joseph. Let me trade basically all their first round picture the last couple years. And at the time, they were talking to teams about a two plus a player. And the moment, and the way this league works,

the moment that somebody likes myself or another insider will put its story out like this, teams will call us not the Raiders and they'll go, hey, tell us what they're asking for. Because they don't want to look overly eager to the Raiders, so they're like, well, if we call and find out what they really want, they're going to up the asking price. You'll know what they really want, so we're going to call you first

before we go and inquire about them. Or they'll go, hey, why don't you have your guys from the Raiders call us? It's crazy what happens. No, I know, I've been with you. Teams call you and they're cherry-picking information on other teams. I'm an information broker. We're trading it. You know, that's the smart thing to do.

But once this happened, once, I mean, there were a lot of teams when I put out about Cooper that called and said, how much? I said, it was a two plus and then it changed to a one. And I had, I don't know, six, seven teams said, oh, we give a two for him. We give a two plus. So once that happened, I knew that somebody was going to say, okay, we'll go to a one. Okay, because I heard from somebody I trust in the NFL, an exec said there was a lot of two talk. Yes.

And by the way, I said this yesterday. Jimmy, Jerry Jones is life. He borrowed a million dollars from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamster Union. And you know why? To buy Shaky's pizzas. And what else? He was doing that. He was trying to get Jimmy Hoffa to help him buy the Chargers.

Yes. Okay. So he took a risk at work out. He fired Tom Landry, hired Jimmy Johnson Risk, worked out. Right. The Cowboys were losing a million a month when he bought him. Risk worked out. And by the cost overrun on his new stadium was $600 million, and it worked out.

out. Right. If you think he's struggling with paying Murray Cooper 7% of cap space, I mean, to me, it was a very Jerry Jones move. His whole life has been. He's always done it. He's done it with the Joey Galloways. This way he does.

Yeah, Roy Williams. And people keep asking is this a good trade? Here's the deal. If he makes six pro balls, yeah, great. Because you're trying to pick in the first round. So you get a Y receiver who's going to make six pro bowls for you, right? The shaky part is, is that they're training to one. one for a guy. If he doesn't pan out,

he's going to be a free agent also. They got to pay him somehow. They got to figure out... Or they could let him go a year and a half. But after a... You give him a one, like, that's hard. Right? That's really hard. So I think, you know, I think he has proven enough where he is a...

He can be a bona fide weapon in this league. We've seen the results. On the other end of it, for the Raiders, it's a great trade if they get a guy that's better than Cooper. If they don't, then it's not a great... trade. And just based on Gruden's track record with draft picks. He's been okay. He's been a little

less than okay. He's had some whiffs. He's been a little less than okay, yeah. Do you like Gruden? Personally? Yeah. I got nothing. Yeah. Yeah. He's interesting, man. He's a, he's kind of

he's a TV figure more than anything. You know? I wouldn't say, I know he likes to say he's a grunt and how much, but look, some of the stuff he's doing, I don't get. Like, you go and you trade Khalil Mack because he says he doesn't want to play, and he's like, oh, he wouldn't play here. That's like your kid telling you, don't ever talk to me again, and you take him seriously.

Like, you know what I mean? Just because he says he doesn't want to play there for you, doesn't mean, look what's just happened. This is with Patrick Peterson, right? The other day, he's like, I don't want to get a trade. And they're like, no, okay, that's it. And then he goes and complains about not having a pass rusher. That's my thing.

Like, man, you've got to ride and die with your decisions. Don't come out there. And as Joey says, you don't find these. You don't have to say everything you think out loud. No, absolutely not. Did you imagine how to trouble with you? By the way, we did this game with you once before? Yes, we did.

It was a Honey Badger last time. Yeah, okay. I was here. He got caught. Do we have a Jay Glazer of the breaking news? Okay, who just texted you? Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm kind of, I don't know what's all the way down here.

Trading deadline. It's coming up. No, we're good. We're good for right now. By the way, you interviewed, you went Thielen, Adam Thielan, who is. one of the great stories in NFL history. But you also have a serious note, Everson Griffin, who's a terrific player.

There was some, can I say mental illness? Is that fair? Mental health. Okay, mental health issue. Have you talked to him? No, I haven't talked to, but here's the deal. You know, we have our, my foundation here, MVP, merging vets and players. Yes. We're taking combat vets and former pro athletes.

We're merging them together and, you know, we train for a little bit, but afterwards we sit and we have this huddle we call it. We talk about mental health issue. Yeah. We talk about why there's 22 vets a day who kill themselves. It's not okay to put a revolver in your mouth, whether you're a football player, whether you're a vet,

whether you're anybody else. And it's almost like, well, other people are doing it, so we should do it. It's, that's an issue. It's okay to be messed up. Like, I'm really messed up.

You guys know me. I'm out of my mind. Yeah. But I'm good with my messed upness. Okay. I'm going to use it to help others. So we're having an MVP session a few weeks ago, and one of our veterans,

kind of, we go around, whatever's going on in your life, we talk about because that's a circle right there. We all get each other, whether you're fighters, football players, warfighters,

whatever it is. We get each other. No one's questioned our manhood or womanhood. And so we bring everything up. We cried each other, everything. And a veteran says, hey, I want to say something.

There was a player this week that just went off the reservation is what he said. And he said, it's on us. It's on our group to really help educate the rest of the world

about mental health. That it's not, it doesn't have to be a life killer. It doesn't have to be your game changer. It's something you could use to actually empower yourself

to help other people up. But it's on our group. It's on this circle to educate to the rest of the world because they don't know yet, really how to handle mental health. In the back of the room, a hand raises, and a man steps up, and he says, guys, I'm here as a guest today. My name is Rick Spielman.

I'm the general manager of the Minnesota Vikings. I happen to be here because we're playing the Rams tomorrow night. I know Jay, and that player you're talking about is my player, Everson Griffin. And you're right, we don't know how to handle these. Yeah. So we thank you guys for help. I'd love to sit and talk to you guys more about how to handle this.

It really is, man. we really is. No, these are real struggles that are happening everywhere in America. It's okay. Listen, we all got issues. Real life is not what happens on Instagram. That's what we're all trying to put out there like our lives are so rosy. That's not really what's happening out there.

Oh, by the way, I want another story. So you live in Los Angeles. Jared Goff is the star quarterback for the Rams in L.A. And you don't see him. Right. He's literally invisible. Andrew Whitworth, one of the all-time great guys in the league is his left tackle. Right.

And he's a funny guy. Like, he's a talker. We've trained Witt for... I get to wrestle with this guy. Could you imagine that? Six, seven. He looks the same... He looks just like me.

Except 80 times bigger. Like he ate 90 J. Glazers. So, Goff and Whitworth have a relationship. How did it start? Well, and that's what's so great about that team is that team chemistry. Yeah, I got a great story here a couple weeks ago. So when the Whitworth's first move here, Melissa and Andrew, they had their son Michael had a goldfish. And his goldfish suddenly died.

And he was like, oh, my God. It's like he came with the move. So Jared Goff finds out. He says, wait, his goldfish died? Oh, I'm going to do something about this. So he goes and he picks Whitworth's little kid up from school. Could you imagine you're sitting there, Jared Goff, comes and picks you up from school. He picks him up from school to go buy him a new fish.

And then they go, they get a new fish. They come back on, there he is. Whitworth comes in the house, and he's like, all of a sudden he sees this 25-gallon fish tank in his house. He's like, what are you doing here? He's like, you didn't get your kid of fish. I'm getting your kid of fish. And he's like, really goes, yeah, he named him Goffi. and girly. No witty, sorry.

That's great. It's great, but that's the relationship that this team has. The great teams, they have those relationships. They have that family. Doff is incredible. We live in Los Angeles. He is the star quarterback on an offensive-minded team in the entertainment capital

of the world. He is invisible. Because he's always home playing Fortnite. Is he? He is so into the team and the fabric of it. There's No nonsense. His dad was, by the way, a major league baseball player.

So he understands the life. I mean, you can sometimes you meet people or you know and you're like, oh, they had good parents. Yeah. You look at golf. He is so rock solid as a kid. But you say that too. You have good parents. Whitworth is the parent of that team.

Is he? That's what he is. Yeah. Absolutely. Him and McVeigh are perfect for each other. They're the kind of like the parents. I don't know who the wife and the husband is. Yeah.

But they're the parents of the team. Yeah. No, he's, we had him on the couch last year. Dave get him again. one of the all-time great guests. Jay Glazer, great. Seeing you. Appreciate you. Joy of the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, so we talked about it a little bit there. The Amari Cooper trade. The wide receivers for the Cowboys have obviously been struggling this year, so it's not too surprising if Jack Prescott was excited to get Amari Cooper, but he wants to temper expectations a little bit. And yesterday he said, this isn't the magic pill.

One player isn't going to make all these errors that we've had go away, but we have to do a better job. We're going to find a way to play complimentary football together. Yeah, you know, I'll say one thing about Dallas. They also have a rookie receiver, Gallup, and over the last five games, he's actually, he's getting better. So what's interesting is if Gallup continues to grow. What a great name for a receiver, Gallup. Is that the best name for like a vertical receiver?

Especially for a Cowboys one. If he grows as Amari Cooper joins the team, what was an area of huge concern, it's really going to give us a, idea, Joy, if Dak's the guy. Because I think within about three to four weeks, as Gallup gets better and Amari Cooper, he's going to have two vertical weapons. And if he can't do it then, don't pay him $100 million over four years. Well, that's actually why I think he's trying to temper expectations a little bit, because it's not so much, I don't, I mean, maybe in Dallas it is, but I don't have insane expectations for Amari Cooper. I expect him to be good. Yeah. I'm not expecting Jerry Rice. I'm expecting Michael Irvin, but you needed a solid outside threat.

Yeah. But this is more really on Dak. And now they did what they had to do to get to a receiver. Give him credit. They draft a receiver, and he appears to be good. He's not a superstar yet, but he's good. And now they found you another one. I still go back to this. Basically, the Cowboys like a lot about their team.

But before they write $120 million check for DAC, we want to verify and document. He's the guy. Now you gave him the one thing he didn't have. By the way, he had that his rookie year and went 13 and 3. Right. It's time now for the Real Deal, presented by Carl's Jr. and Hardee's. So Raiders' tight ends, Lee Smith is the real deal.

Whatever you do, don't tell Smith. There's a fracture relationship between Derek Carr and his teammates because he doesn't like that. Let's watch Smith unleash his feelings Wednesday to Bay Area Media after hearing that report. Yeah. All these reports about this locker room being fractured with Derek Carr is the most obnoxious and ridiculous thing I've heard ever.

It's to the point to where it's comical and laughable that I'm even sitting here talking about. about it. Us as players have zero issue with Derek Carr. He is our leader. He's always been our leader. We put a C on his chest for a reason, regardless of what face he makes after a tackle or what everybody wants to dive into and wear him out about. Attacking his character, attacking him as a leader on this football team is a joke. And I hope that everyone hears me loud and clear of what a joke is. I love that. I absolutely love Lee Smith coming out and, you know, first of all, if you think Derek Carr can't play,

then sending him Jacksonville and then watch him in the playoffs for the next five years. If you don't think he's tough enough, broke his back, he was back in three weeks. I mean, you've got to give me a break on this story. I don't like the whole not tough thing. Like I said, there's not a whole lot of NFL players in general that aren't tough. Oh, you can't. If we want to remove kickers and there's even some tough kickers too. But, like, Derek Carr is not somebody that would consider to be a soft or weak.

quarterback. You can't be in this league. I don't care if you're a punter. You cannot. Have you ever noticed how a lot of punters in this league get jacked up? Their weightlifting guys? They do that to protect themselves because you can get hurt if there's a punt block or you've got to make a tackle.

You'll notice about half the league's punters get jacked up. And there's a reason for it. It's dangerous on that field if you're not tough and if you're not in shape. It's dangerous. Well, I think this is more of him less about him talking about the whole crying thing, whether he was crying and more about the relationship is now fractured

because of that. I don't know that I see that either. Derek Carr has been there for a while. So finally, Kevin Durant is not expecting to face the Wizards in the finals next spring. But he did give Steve Kerr a good reason for why he wanted to be taken out of the game. He said, sub me out. I don't want to play more. I don't want to play no more man.

They weak. This is a great video. I cannot believe this video. I cannot. They won 144 to 122. That is how bad. Washington is. Talk about windows closing. Washington's window was open for about an hour. Steph Curry also had, what, 51 points? Washington's.

Doesn't have the leaders, doesn't have, it's just a bunch of fools gold. I don't know. I like this, though. I know some people are going to get sensitive about it, but. I think it's funny. I think it's absolutely. People who hate the warriors are going to get sensitive about it. It's great, though. But they, I mean, what's he supposed to do? I mean, he is just toying with these guys. He really is. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

You know, I was thinking about Aaron Rogers. They play the Rams this weekend, and they're a nine and a half point dog. You know, it's interesting. So Aaron Rogers comes into this league. And the way it usually works with Elway, Marino, Peyton Manning, you come into this league, and after about two or three years, we kind of feel like it's your baton for about 15 years. and Aaron Rogers came into this league and he sat in the bench and watched far for three years.

He came in. And he won the division, mythical talent, fawning media, gunslinger. And we kind of thought this thing was going to last. We're going to get, you know, like 12 years of this. But you wake up this morning,

look at their schedule. At the Rams, at the Patriots, at the Cs, Seahawks at Minnesota, tough game Miami at home. That's got one and four written all over it. They're going to be a dog in four of those five games. They could come out of that. I had the record written down. They could come out of that puppy and they're out of the playoffs.

Four, six, and one if they go one and four. And what's weird about it is, you look at the schedule, brutal. You look at the division, which they've lost two of the last three years and they trail now. It's getting better. You look at the NFC, the Rams, the Eagles, Carolina, the Saints, Minnesota is better. And because Brady Breeze, he's become a tweener, is that he should be the elder statesman of the league. But the old guys, Rivers, Brady, Breeze, and Ben are as good statistically and they're on better teams. And there's new young guys in the league, Goff and Mahalms, Wentz, Watson.

They're on better teams. He's become a tweener. He's a little like Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant breaks into the league, and he's in the shadow of MJ. And then during his great years, he's got Shaq. And then then when he's going to become the elder statesman of the league, oh, here's LeBron. It felt like Kobe was always the two.

And like Aaron Rogers comes in in the shadow of Farb. Okay, he's going to be the guy, but it was Peyton Manning and Brady first. And he's going to be the guy. and then they're going to retire and they didn't retire and they're better than ever. And he's become like Kobe. He's a tweener. The old guys are as good and they're on better teams. And the new emerging young guys are healthier, more fun to watch and they're on better teams,

even in his own division. I think he's got the fourth best roster. And there's a real Kobe feeling here for me is that we thought we were going to get 10 years. He was the the guy and the statesman of the league. And right now he's 35 in December. I don't think he's 100%. I don't like his roster. He's in second place.

Their schedule is brutal. The NFC's loaded. I don't think they're a playoff team. Coming up next, I never thought I would say what I'm about to say about one NFL quarterback. That is coming up next. Good soup today. Sorry. What soup was it?

Very good soup today. Let's not waste any time. Best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. This is one of these sneaky NFL games. Dolphins are actually four and three, just one game back of the Patriots.

The Texans lead their division to Sean Watson. What's interesting is Brock Osweiler has been much maligned in the NFL. He got drafted by John Elway, didn't work, blah, blah, blah, blah. Went to Houston, didn't work, blah, blah, blah. But actually this year, two starts, three games, he's been pretty good. His stats are 67% completion, 6 TDs, 2 picks, 107 quarterback rating. So so far this year, he's actually been pretty good. And, you know, we have to, this game airs on Fox tonight.

So, you know, we have a promo department at Fox. And, you know, I mean, listen, promotional departments are important. They want to get you jazzed up for the game. Sure. So our promotion department at Fox asked us if we would run. A promo for tonight's Miami Dolphins, Houston Texans game. So I thought that was cool. It's not that it's quick.

Okay. Like 10 seconds. So here you go. He's got more playoff wins than Dak Prescott, Matt Stefford, and Andy Dalton combined. It's Proctober. I don't think that's bad. I mean, first of all, factually. We always want to make sure that you're saying facts because you don't want to get in trouble.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to come out here and just embellish. No fake news. No fake news. So that is, there's one more. All right, there's one more promo. That's it. Go ahead.

The Broncos bench Peyton Manning for him. He's solid as a Bron. Good song. Well, yeah, I mean, I guess they did bench him for Peyton Manning. But didn't they go back to Peyton Manning? It didn't work out. But did happen. A little disingenuous.

And one. There's one more. They're telling me there's one more. promo. Go ahead. He once won a playoff game against the Raiders third string quarterback. He'll brook you like a hurricane. Now that's not going to get me to a TV set. That to me, that doesn't work at all.

Is that excite you? Another good song. The song makes me want to have margaritas for some reason. Oh, the ad? I mean, it is, yeah. I'm with you. Now they're getting aggressive. They told me they have one more.

One more. In his second career start, he beat Tom Brady. He is President Trump Obama. I mean, come on. I'm out here trying to be a company guy and you're comparing him to Barack Obama. I do miss Obama. Well, there's some people that do, yes.

That's absolutely. Now they're telling me that the last one is the best one. Okay. We couldn't find any more interesting. facts about Brock Osweiler. We've got Riders Brock. Okay. That was not the best one.

The best one was the first one, which was accurate and had facts and stuff. The ones had facts. So tonight is Brocktoberfest. I think actually Houston is going to win. You know, it is interesting about Deshaun Watson. So Mitch Trubisky and he, I said when the draft came out, I said, I don't know how great he's going to be.

But he's the best question. quarterback in the class. I didn't buy Mitch Trubisky, but I said, I don't see him as Andrew Locke. I don't think he's his talented as Cam. I don't think he's Andrew Locke, but I think he's the best quarterback in this class. And Greg Kossel was on earlier today, and I thought he kind of wrapped up his career so far. Another great example, because their defense, which is actually can be very good, was able to take control of the game, and he dropped back in that game, I think, 25 or less times. You can't drop him back 45 times, Colin, at this point in his career for two reasons. The offensive line can't handle it, and he can't handle it.

Because the more he drops back, the more he becomes a little too random. He has a tendency to drop his eyes. He has a tendency to leave the pocket prematurely. He can't get hit the way he's been hit this year. No, I mean, this was the Andrew Luck problem, is that you've got to give these young quarterbacks, A, at least decent protection. and B, you've got to give him a running game. Sam Darnold this year, when he's had a running game, is undefeated. When Sam Darnold doesn't have a running game, Sam Darnold makes a lot of mistakes. Dishon Watson, when he's had a little time and a little running game, has been a very good quarterback.

But when they're asking him to throw 38 times, Dishon Watson's going to be in golf. That's why I said, Baker Mayfield should be better right now than the other guys, because he has a real running game. Baker Mayfield in Cleveland, they're getting eight and a half points this. weekend against the Steelers. I love Cleveland and that. They have enough running backs. They just traded one. Well, I feel like most quarterbacks, even the greats, are going to struggle with no running game

and bad protection. It's because you're right. And the thing is, very rarely do you get everything? Like if you said everything, everything is a great running back, a great left tackle, a great slot receiver, a great play caller, and a perimeter threat. Who

has that? Patrick Mahomes. and Jared Goff. And that's it. Because Carson Wentz doesn't have great perimeter people or great backs. There's only two young quarterbacks that have the big five. They got the left tackle, the running back, the slot, the perimeter guy, and they have the play caller. Because none of that stuff matters if you have a bad play caller.

Maybe you can argue the Saints. Well, I'm talking for young quarterbacks. So Watson right now does not have the left tackle and does not have the running game. He does have a deep threat. Do they have a decent slot receiver? Hopkins is a great, great deep threat. Oh, Will Fuller from Notre Dame. That's not a bad receiver.

But he doesn't have the left tackle. He didn't have the running game. And as far as play calling, once you don't have the protection, play calling becomes almost, it doesn't matter. So Greg Kosell talked earlier about something else. And I think it's important.

Andrew Luck, by the way, now has protection. Andrew Luck's not getting hit as much, and he's getting rid of the ball. So I like the Colts again this weekend. So tomorrow on the show, our Blazing Five, our Blazing Five, went four in one, last week. Monday night football

Giants late cover. So we went four to five last week. I've never been this hot. Over 60%. This is the hottest I have ever been picking games. Also, David Ortiz joins us on the show to see if the Dodgers are back or if they're toast. Chris Broussard comes on the show.

Guess who plays tonight in the NBA? Oh yeah! Brock Tober. It's Russell Westbrook. Oh and three against the Austin Celtics. Nobody's, you know, everybody's paying attention.

Everybody, Joy, is paying attention to LeBron and the Lakers. They're going to go O and fourth night in Oklahoma City. Something's not working. Scope the knee, not quite as good. So this will be the first time that I deep dive on the thunder tonight. Tonight I'm all in on the thunder. Okay. And not your initial just reactions.

No, tonight, I got no World Series game until tomorrow. I'm going to watch Brocktoberfest on one of the TVs. We have a new TV system in the house. And now, and then I'll watch on the second one, Boston Celtics at OKC tonight. Very, very exciting. And David Ortiz, Blaz and 5, Chris Broussard tomorrow. I want to thank Chris Haynes, Greg Kosell, Tom Penn and Jay Glazer, done for today. We will see you tomorrow.

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