The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Zion Williamson, Eli Manning, Bill Belichick, and Matt LaFleur

Episode Date: January 23, 2020

Colin talks about why the debut of Zion Williamson was great for the league, why he believes Eli Manning should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, why he feels Bill Belichick possibly traded Jimmy Garoppolo to the Niners. and why he feels Packers HC Matt LaFleur took a shot at Aaron Rodgers. Guests include Doug Gottlieb, Chris Broussard, Greg Cosell, and Peter King. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Everything we've got today. Joy Taylor's joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm great. I finished packing for Miami last night. Yeah, I'm done. Very well. Taking a handbag.

I am not taking a handbag. I told you how many shoes I packed. 20 pair of shoes. You know how many I'm packing? Tennis shoes and then my tennis shoes. That's it. That's very impressive. All right.

All right. So let me just lay it out. I've been saying this since I saw Zion play at Duke. I'm like, this is the next phenom. And there's a lot of critics. Oh, my guy can't shoot. He's too big. And I say, the only thing I worry about is torque.

Is he going to get hurt? But this is what a phenom looked like. And big and strong and powerful. And he got me to college basketball. And college basketball, you know, it's an airport. People land 15 minutes later, they get in a flight and leave. It's the apartment complex. Nobody really wants to be there.

Everybody's trying to transition. That's what college basketball has become. And the NBA is the house. That's where people want to live and be in a neighborhood. grow old. And so I look at Zion, and to me it was an obvious thing. That's what a phenom looks like. The smile, the game, the power. And last night, you saw all of it. You saw the size, the burst. You heard the MVP chance. 17 points. The burst in the fourth. Even a little controversy, they pulled him out. You saw a kid, that's what a phenom looks like when a phenom is not in good

shape. He's not in great shape right now. It was a dud in the first half. He looked tired. He was passive. The game was fast, but phenoms pick up on it very, very quickly. He is a better shooter than Blake Griffin will ever be. He is stronger than Charles Barkley, and he is faster than Carl Malone. Five or six NBA players in my life, and I've been watching this league for 50, 40 years. I'm talking about the highly skilled guys, not Ben Wallace. There's been five or six highly skilled guys that just look different. Shaq, Barclay, LeBron, Carl Malone, and Zion. Zion doesn't even look like an NBA body. You know how I say Odell Beckham's the first NBA guy in the NFL?

Zion's one of the few NFL guys in the NBA. He's running up the court. He doesn't look like a tight end. He looks like a defensive tackle. And in a league now that is three ball-centric, very finesse, can't touch anybody, a lot of skinny 219-pound centers, and guys who can shoot threes, he is going to bully his way to 24 a night. Never forget this about LeBron James.

LeBron's first five years in the league, I remember going on the air and saying, I know he's great, but he bores me. It's just a freight train. He's running over everybody. Then he developed an inside game after being humiliated against the Mavericks and the championship. Then he developed a three-point game. He's always been a good distributor. But Zion Williamson, that is what a phenom looks like. The criticisms were silly.

Well, I don't know about he's never going to be able to shoot. He doesn't need to be a great shooter to get 24 a night and sell tickets. He looks different. And sometimes you just have to not outthink the room. First of all, he's like, what, 19? Were you refined at 19? I didn't really think I was a good broadcaster until about 33. At 19, he's going to be a totally refined basketball player.

LeBron's the best high school player ever, and it took him about six years where you were like, yeah, he's close, but he still has to get an inside game. Of course he doesn't have it all buttoned up yet. The other thing is his shot wasn't broken. It just needed to be tweaked. Ben Simmons shot, Markell Fult shot, Russell Westbrook shot, those are broken shots. Derek Rose's shot. This was just a jumper that needed to be tweaked.

Even Ray Allen came into the league and wasn't a dead-eye three shooter. Ray Allen was athletic and became a great three-point shooter. Shooting's the one thing I almost always, almost always feel can be tweaked. But don't outthink the room. Sometimes there's a physical element to you that signals a star. Tyreek Hill of the Kansas City Chiefs. He's just too damn fast to cover. it's going to work if you give him a decent quarterback.

Don't outthink the room. You can't keep up with him. Dion Sanders, he's just too fast. Zion's just too big in a league now with no power forwards, 224-pound centers, and a bunch of guys, lanky guys who can hit threes. The power forward's basically gone. I mean, to me, Zion's a center. He's a small ball lineup center.

If Kvon Luni had that talent, he could go to the Warriors. You put him in with Clay and Steph and Draymond and Zion's your center. That's what he looks like in today's modern NBA. So you saw it all. He was a B-12 shot to the NBA last night. The NBA has been sagging. There's not a lot of urgency. You know, LeBron's in his 17th year.

It looks like the two L.A teams are way better than everybody else. He is exactly what the NBA needs. By the way, here's how big of a phenom he is. And sometimes I always used to use the rule with my late mother, Patricia. The difference between a star and a superstar is my mom knows superstars. My mom didn't know who Derek Jeter was. She knew who Arod was. My mom didn't know who Scotty Pippen was.

She knew who MJ was. Okay, my mom doesn't know a million comedians. She knows who Ellen is. She knows who Seinfeld was. Okay, Zion's going to be a superstar. And it's not just going to be his average and his stats. John Morant's going to be a star. He's getting close to being one.

This is what a phenom is. about. Literally taking your breath away, looks different than everybody else. The smile, the sound afterwards, here's I on. It was everything I dreamed of, except for the losing part. It's the energy the crowd brought, the energy the city brought. It was electric, and I'm just grateful that they did that. So it was a dream come true to finally get out there, but at the end of the day, I didn't want to win. So I just got to look at the next game. I also think he's incredibly likable. And if you look at the history of really big superstars in America, Magic was likable and Brett Favre was likable. Jeff Gordon, the NASCAR guy, was likable.

There's a likability about him. You just want to put your arms around him, if you could, except you can't because he's a tank. But there's a real decency. I don't want to get too melodramatic, but there's just certain players I root for. He's an easy kid to root for. I said before Westbrook's talented. I can't root for him. Aaron Rogers is talented. It's hard to root for him.

Zion's easy to root for. So I just couldn't have been happier last night. All right, I am not, let me just say this. Shift gears. I am not a conspiracy theorist. When I used to do just a radio show, by the way, if you didn't hear it, it was spectacular. Anyway, I took a bunch of phone calls, and the only thing I would not allow, Goulet is my witness is, no.

conspiracy theory guy. I'm not interested in your crazy town nonsense. Every sports fans got conspiracy theories, and they're all nonsense. But since it's my show, I can occasionally throw one out. So there's a story that came out. It kind of reveals Bill Belichick, smartest best football coach ever. He knows the cap. He knows personnel.

He knows coaching. He knows game preparing. Basically gave the 49ers. gave them a star quarterback for a second round pick. Now, I've always had this theory is that smart guys don't get dumb. Like when a smart guy, like Phil Jackson's a brilliant coach, and, you know, if he played dumb, I wasn't criticizing the refs and manipulating the officials. Phil Jackson used to manipulate the refs like nobody's business.

He would rip them after a game and just to manipulate him for the next game. And it's like he would play dumb. And I'm like, Phil, you're too smart to play dumb. So Belichick's a brilliant guy. Why would he give a quarterback that he knew was going to be great away for a second round pick? Jimmy Garoppos in the Super Bowl. Here's always been my theory. Belichick now, it's all about legacy.

He's got his millions. He's got his trophies. He's the best football coach ever. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to polish up his legacy. When he's gone, there's always been this Brady led the dynasty. No, it's Belichick. You can't win without Brady. can't win without Belichick.

Hey, Belichick got fired without Brady. Well, Belichick did win 11 games the year Brady got hurt. So it's not defined yet. Why would he give Garoppolo away? All right, John, crazy conspiracy theory music. The reason he gave him away is he gave him to the best young football coach in America, Kyle Shanahan, knowing... Remember, Bill always had control of the Patriots.

He knew... I'm not going to give him to some... hack. I want to prove my point here. So he gives him away to Kyle Shanahan knowing nobody will get more out of Garapolo than Kyle Shanahan. And then he didn't demand more picks because why would he? I'm not going to take away the potential to get a Nick Bosa, McGlenshy, the right tackle. I'm not going to deplete the Niners roster. I'm going to give him Garapolo for one pick. They don't have to give up multiple picks do me. They don't have to give up multiple players. I'm going to ensure Garapolo is successful and send them to the other conference. If I have to face him, it's at least in the

Super Bowl, will I trust me over any young coach? What does this do? 20 years from now, people can say, Belichick, Belichick wanted Garapolo. By the way, why did the story ever leak? You know Brady's side didn't leak this. Brady didn't leak it. His side didn't leak it. His side didn't leak it. His agent didn't leak it. Why did the story leak that Belichick wanted Garapolo and was forced to trade him? That actually helps Belichick. It proves Belichick was ready to move on. And so 20 years from now, if Garopolo's got four Super Bowls, three Super Bowls, people will say they could have done that in New England, but Brady wanted him out. I really believe, and I'm not a conspiracy guy. But, but I'm, I'm not a conspiracy guy. Why would Belichick give the Niners a quarterback to the best offensive coach in football,

the young guy, and not demand picksback? He wanted to ensure Garoppolo's excellence to prove a point. I wanted to move off. This was my guy. And he's going to ensure that he's great. Nobody is happier in the world that Garapolo is in a Super Bowl than Bill Belichick. Bill would love to be facing him, but nobody is. is happier in the world other than the Shanahan family that Garoppolo's in than Balichick

because it proves Bill right. Bill had his guy. Bill wanted to go. Bill wasn't allowed to. Bill had to trade him. So he was going to guarantee Garapolo worked. I'm trading you to the best young coach and I'm not asking anything in return that will disrupt your potential dynasty. Is that crazy? Do you guys think I'm nuts on that? Well, I am crazy and I totally agree. So I don't know what that says. But I do. It makes sense. Why would someone so, I wouldn't describe Bill Belichick as cutthroat, but, you know, he has made some pretty cutthroat decisions. Why would he be so generous?

To the best young coach? Yeah. And ask nothing in return. He didn't want to get in the way of Garoppolo being great. I'm telling you this weekend, and I know Bill loves Andy Reid. He'd like to see Garoppolo win that thing. It proves his point. Yeah.

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Listen to Help from Hypocrat as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. Good to have you in. Doug Gottlieb in 10 minutes. I'm told Doug does not think Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer I do, and here is why. There's a lot of different ways to get into the Hall of Fame. I'll give an example. In baseball, Craig Beggio makes it because he was a compiler. He often was not, probably more years than not. Greg Bezio was not. I watched him play Minor League Baseball, by the way, in Tucson, Arizona.

He was a catcher slash second baseman. He's a hell of a baseball player. But he was never the best baseball player on his own team for more than half his career. But he compiled a lot of stats, played for a long time, and he was a very, very good guy. He gets in. And then there's Sandy Kofax who didn't compile anything. He had five great years, just a half a decade. And he gets in.

And then you go to basketball. Casey Jones averaged seven points a game. but he had eight championships. He gets in. He's relevant. Charles Barkley doesn't have any championships. Didn't have a lot of great playoff runs, but his personality, his style,

his regular season, points and flair, he gets in. There's a lot of different ways to get into Hall of Fame. Eli Manning, think about this way. Hall of Fames are about historical relevance. You cannot tell the story of the end. NFL without Eli.

The greatest football family in America, the Manning family, without Eli. You can't tell the greatest quarterback of all time Tom Brady's story without Eli. You can't tell the greatest dynasty in the NFL history, New England, without Eli. You can't tell Belichick story without Eli. Eli is historically relevant. There's so many stories. You cannot tell the story of the Patriots, Brady, Belichick, Super Bowls. He has the craziest completion in Super Bowl history to David Tyree.

And there's been some wacky ones. That's the craziest one. Super glued to the helmet. There's like nine stories in the NFL you can't tell without Eli Manning. There's a lot of good court. What about Jim Plunkett? Jim Plunkett, you can tell the story of the NFL without Jim. Jim is also not seventh all-time in touchdown passes and seventh all-time in yards thrown for. The longevity. And people say, well, well, the name helps him. New York helps him. Yes, playing in New York

helped Derek Jeter. And being a manning probably helped Eli. But beyond that, they both played in New York. They both won multiple titles. They were often the most valuable person in those championships in the most high-pressure,

intense American sport city, New York City. I can't blame you if your dad and mom had a little money and gave you a million dollars when they passed away. But you go on to have a great life. I can't hold it against you. I would have loved to have had that. Now, if you end up being a math addict, I can bang on you because you did have a start in life. But if you didn't have anything from your parents and were successful and your buddy did have and was successful, I'm not going to ding him for it.

Not everybody goes to the New York Yankees. But Jeter took advantage of being a New York Yankees. They've had a lot of average short stops and a lot of average second basement. And yes, it probably helps being Peyton Manning. But guess Peyton Manning's brother. But guess what? He still beat Belichick and he beat Brady and he beat the greatest dynasty and he had the craziest catch. And if you go back, I did last night.

Revision is history. Don't look at Eli's last four years and judge him. You go back and watch Eli fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ear in the league. He had a better arm than Peyton. He was durable. He could take shots. He was a great road quarterback, unlike Aaron Rogers. He had a great arm.

He was great in a two-minute drill. He was a great come-from-behind quarterback. He was a clutch quarterback. Again, there's a lot of ways to make Hall of Fame. Sandy Kof-Fax's five great years. Craig Beggio compiles. Charles Barkley, personality. Carl Malone, stats, no titles.

Casey Jones, seven points a game. Draymond Green may get into the Basketball Hall of Fame. He's not very highly skilled, and he's very lucky to have played with the best back court ever, Clay Thompson, Steph Curry. There's not one entrance. There's a lot of side doors into Hall of Fame. Metalark Lemon is in the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame.

There are officials in the Basketball Hall of Fame. There are officials in the Basketball Hall of Fame. There's a lot of doors to get in and Eli's in for me. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. We're on a lot today, Colin, because I think he's a Hall of Fame or two.

Yeah, I mean, it's very hard if you just say, it's only five quarterbacks ever that have multiple Super Bowls and we're an MVP in both. In the history of the game, there's 32 teams. There's a, we've been playing football since forever. I mean, forget the fact that one of those was over arguably the greatest regular season team in the modern era. There's another story. The two greatest regular season teams, Miami and New England, and he beat one.

There's a lot of stories with Eli. I love that Super Bowl. So Stephen Jones said the Cowboys' first and second priorities this offseason are signing Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper to long-term deals. But there's a lot of other key players that need contracts to. And Cowboys VP of player personnel, Will McLeigh knows that some of those important players will probably be left out. I mean, I think it's going to be a tough deal.

Again, it's the NFL. You have your quarterback, you have to pay, you have a receiver, you have good players. And when you have good players, you have to figure out how to pay them or how to survive. So that's what we do in the front office is trying to figure out how to work those contracts. Every year is a challenge when you go through that. You know, it's the way the NFL is made. You've got the salary cap. You can't keep everybody.

So we go through and find out what's valuable for us, who will fit within our parameters, and then we want to try and fill the holes in free agency and draft free. So some other free agents they have are Byron Jones, Jason, Witten, Robert Quinn, Michael Bennett, Malik Collins, Randall Cobb, Sean Lee, Jeff Heath, and Tavon, Austin. I think all of them are gone. I don't think they'll keep any of those. I mean, I mean, those are, again, you got to make choices. Amari Cooper are those guys?

I mean, I'm sorry. I'm taking it. No, I mean, you got to, I think if you're going to sign Dak Prescott, you have to sign Amari Cooper. It doesn't really make sense to sign Dak to the long-term deal without Amari Cooper. We've seen the numbers, how much his game is increased since he has, Amari Cooper. So we know what Zeke does as well, but Amari Cooper is a big part of that. But that's a lot of pieces.

I don't know. I'm getting a little nervous about it. Not so much because of DAC's contracts because I do believe that they should pay DAC, but are they going to be able to replace all these other pieces that they're going to have to move on from because of him and Amari's contract? It's hard to get, you know, you just say, we'll get rid of Byron Jones. That defense wasn't good with him last year. So like it's not a, you know, it's just not a, you know, we're going to get rid of that one corner.

The NFC's got a lot of good young quarterbacks. And if you don't have one legit big time corner, it's rough to win in this league. Yeah, they're going to have to get very creative there. So Patrick Mahomes is already set to be the fifth youngest quarterback to start a Super Bowl at 24 years and 138 days old. And according to Fox Bet, he is the favorite to win the Super Bowl MVP at Plus 100. If he does win, he'll be the third youngest to win the award after Marcus Allen and Lynn Swan. Tom Brady is currently the third youngest Super Bowl MVP. Do you like Patrick Mahomes for your MVP choice?

But you're picking the 49ers. I guess you'd have to go with Jimmy G. I think, yeah, Jimmy G would be my MVP. I was thinking about this today. I don't know. It's very interesting. I will be sad if Kansas City loses because of my relationship with Andy Reid. I won't be sad if San Francisco lose.

My floor is so low of Kansas City lose. I was thinking about this today. It's a tough one for me. me. If San Francisco wins, I'm not as happy as I am sad that Andy loses. So I think San Francisco's the better team, better lines going to win. But I was thinking like, who am I rooting for? It reminds me of my Russell Wilson, Tom Brady Super Bowl. They're my favorite two players in the NFL. I had, and I'm from Seattle, but lived in Connecticut. And I was like, I don't care. And then in the end, I didn't like the way Russell, you know, it was kind of bad on Russell.

This one, I feel the exact same way, but I was thinking this morning about this driving in. I would be sadder if Kansas City lost. Then you would be happy. Happy if San Francisco won. Like if Kansas City lose, I feel so bad because all the hacks will rip Andy Reed. Which is totally unfair. Right.

And it'll probably be back next year. But I don't know. If San Francisco wins, as you are predicting, I think Rahim Moser would probably be the better choice if you're going to put money down for MVP. I am not betting on him for MVP. I'm just not. I mean, he threw eight passes last game.

I know. You can't give the MVP to Jimmy G if that's the case. Or what if Nick Bosa has three sacks? Then they give it to a defensive guy. So if you had a choice. Listen, if San Francisco wins, it's going to be run game and pass rush. So I'm going to take, yeah. So you go with Nick Boso.

All right. So finally, LeBrona said it would be a dream for him to share an NBA court with his son, Brony after the win over the Knicks last night. He was asked if he would consider coming to New York if his son was drafted there. And he told Spectrum Sportsnet he doesn't want to look that far into the future. If your son gets drafted last. By the next one day, will you consider playing with him here? Man, my son in the ninth grade, man.

I'm trying to worry about what a project you got to turn in tomorrow. That's what we're worried about right now. That's what's most important. School, home, and being the best big brother, he can be. By the way, dumb question, great answer. It was a great response. The earliest that Ronnie could even make his debut would be the 20-23-24 season, at which LeBron would be 37 going on 38.

in his 21st season. You know what? That's a great answer. It's totally relatable. He's like, he's got a project that's due in the ninth grade. That's what I'm worried about. Because every parent in America has a kid with a project in the ninth grade. Right.

And we're getting, and it's, look, it's part of the, it's part of the culture of basketball, especially youth grassroots basketball now that we are elevating kids to superstars well before they even reach college. But that's, I mean, that's our appetite for sports these days. And he's playing at Sierra Canyon. His games are being nationally televised. So this is going to be a conversation that happens. earlier than most kids in high school.

And then obviously there was the incident the other day where someone threw something at him. So, you know, he's in the conversation already, as we know, being LeBron James' son. But yes, he's in ninth grade. Settled down. He was a slight perspective on things. Yeah, Joy with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. All right, let's bring him in the Dougger, Doug Gottlieb show after ours, Fox Sports Radio. First half for Zion was Dudge City. I heard you were not impressed with Zion, even that amazing fourth quarter,

Well, I thought last night was a Rorschach test, right, where, you know, like the zinc blocks, where you see what you want to see. For you, you want to see something spectacular. I want a spectacle. 13 consecutive points was pretty amazing. Right. But how do you look? First half, he looked tired and out of shape. Yes.

And what did he do when he scored those 13 points to make you think otherwise? They were wide open. They had to play him at center, which I do think is going to be a big part of his future. head of Playman Center, and the San Antonio Spurs dared him to make jump shots. They did not guard him on three of the shots, and then the Marcus Aldrich challenged the fourth one. So, like, look, that's what you do when you're rehabbing, by the way. That's the one thing you can do almost the entire time, which is catch and shoot jump shots. And if he can make threes on a regular basis, he becomes a very dynamic player.

But let's not kid ourselves. He looked out of shape. Yes. He was sloppy. It's understandable in your first NBA game to be forcing things. but it was the way in which he just kind of lost the ball and just kind of flopped around out there. He is 19, though.

I understand, but you would think that the Pelicans, and I'm sure they did this, held him out a lot longer they needed to hold him out to make sure he was ready, right? He was fresh, he was sharp, they put him through hard workouts. He did not appear to have the wind. I understand.

There's game speed and basketball conditioning, and you can't get it unless you actually playing games. But he didn't have any wind. his body didn't look sharp. Let me ask you this. Zion Williamson. You're looking at the box score. No, no, I'm not.

In the world's greatest basketball league, there's really no second. Scored 17 straight points as a 19-year-old. Okay. That's insane. No, look, I mean, there's a reason he was the number one pick, right? Like, we all thought he was going to be good, and he did, he made jump shots, which is, you know, the second weakest part of his game. The weakest part of his game is the ability to stop and shoot the basketball.

He did, he shot catch and shoot. last year. He never stops and shoots the ball. No mid-range game, but that can develop over time. But again, like, don't look at the bottom. This happens with fans, especially. Sometimes it happens with coaches where they mistaken, made shots for good basketball. He didn't look great.

Look, making shots and just his mere presence energized the entire league, definitely the New Orleans Pelicans last night. When he wasn't playing and wasn't playing well in the first half, it was like a funeral. And it was like a party in the 14th. quarter. But like, don't kid yourself. He didn't look good, even though he made shots. I'm not into the looking good.

There's not nine guys in the NBA currently that can score 17 consecutive points. What are you talking about? Name them. I mean, look at what Russell Westbrook has done recently. What Tray Young has done. What John can do. No, no, no, no. Stop. 17. Anthony Davis. Of course they can.

If somebody's going to leave any of these guys wide open, four straight times down the floor, that's what the Spurs did. They left him. They dared him. They guarded him like people used to guard me. Go ahead, shoot the ball. Doug. And he made talk. Russell's shooting 36%.

They are leaving over. He can't score 17 straight. Listen, you're doing what people did after Janus hit five threes against the Lakers. You're like, see, Janus can make threes. No, he can't. Look at the rest of the season. No. You saw it outlier.

I'm looking at Janus going. What is the fear with Zion Williams? What is the only thing? Torque. Huh? Torque. Because of what? He plays with a violence to his body that's unprecedented.

Yes, and he's carrying too much weight. I think he's big. Okay. Shack is big. Okay, so did anything he did last night lead you to believe? Because that's my only fear. Like, look, I know the kid can play. He's going to become a better and better shooter.

When I listened to Nick Wright on this network, I had to choose Nick Wright. He was going to go to ESPN. Yeah. I listened to 90 seconds. I didn't need his show. I didn't. No, no, no, no. But if you watched the 90 seconds in the first half, you're like, man, that kid looks like he's going to hurt himself.

Give me Nick's best 90. And I said, kid. He was a fan. I said, get over here. I don't need anything. I just need three minutes. And I'm like, a 19-year-old took over an NBA game. 90% of this league can't score back to, I mean, there's a lot of, that's not true.

There's a lot of God. Colin, I love you. It's not true. The Lakers have two guys. Name a Laker outside of LeBron that create shots for others. I mean, legitimately, the other night LeBron played poorly. They didn't have a player. That is a non sequitur.

Was he creating shots? Do I think, do I think Zion can create shots? Yes. Okay, but that's not what you said. You just said he scored 17 a row. Kuzma can score 17 a row. Anthony Davis can score 17 row. You leave those dudes open four times a row.

Those are Hall of Famers. He did it at 19. They didn't guard him, Colin. They dared him to shoot. Right? Like, he was open for a reason guy. So your argument is he's, I should take nothing out of that three minutes stretch. It appears

as though he's worked diligently on his jump shot, which is what he should work on while he's rehabbing. That's what you can do even before they let you run around and move laterally. He should be in the gym every day getting a thousand up where if he can make that shot, like look, he translates into a much more

athletic, Draymond Green. That's the weapon that we saw. I think he's way better than Draymond Green. I understand, but it's what he can do. He's a he's a power forward at 6.5.5.6. who can play center and can guard potentially all five positions. The problem becomes, if he continues to carry this weight,

there's a likelihood there of injury. How do I know this? You got hurt at Duke? He got hurt in the Summer League. He got hurt in the injury. I'm not denying. And he didn't look. That's the only fear.

No one said he can't play. Why did American Idol have 40-second auditions? You can spot talent instantly. Again, but did you watch the first 40? The context, you watched the fourth quarter. watched the first and second, third quarter. Let me ask you. I'm a little concerned. Let me ask you. Yes. What defines Michael's career, the first or the fourth? What defines NBA careers? I mean, the first. Not against the San Antonio Spurs. On a Wednesday night. He was a best player

on a floor with a bunch of NBA dudes. Look, I love you. Okay. But you have to have to take context in. He made shots last night. These two things can both be true. He cannot look like he's in great shape. And you can still have a major concern about injury of any kind because of the torque and the weight and him being a little bit sloppy looking and he can make shots. You're not. And have the ability to, one of the things

that's underrated is he does have the ability to deliver on the billing. It took him a long time. It's his first game. He's got to settle down. You're in impeccable shape. Impeccable shape. Couldn't make the league. He's in terrible shape. And was the best player on the floor at 19 in the fourth quarter. Again, he's

in terrible shape. You're putting together. You're that he made shots with he was the best player. Those two things are not the same. This is a score of the ball league. You got a score to win. Yeah. I've heard it's a make or miss league. I've heard a lot of different things.

You put the ball in the basket, you end up with wins. You do. Generally, the team that has more points always... He puts 17 straight points in the basket. Okay. So Janus can shoot based upon if you watch the Laker games. And Zion Williams is going to be a dead eye three points shooter. Giannis is great.

It was very easy to see about your three in the league. You're like, holy crap. Look, I think he's going to be very, very good. And I would have taken him number one for all the reasons that the Pelicans took him, even though everybody knew John Morant has a chance to be a superstar. On the other hand, I'd just be concerned if I'm New Orleans. We spent months rehabbing, teaching him how to walk, right? That's what they did.

Teach him how to run. So he doesn't put as much pressure on the outside of the foot on those ligaments and tendons. and when he stepped on the floor athletically, he still looks sloppy, and I was surprised by that. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I am, I watched it last night holding my breath. I mean, I literally watched it.

Like, I was nervous watching him play. Yes. I was like, just don't rip an ankle up. And the whole night, even in the fourth, I'm like, all right, kid, just get in, get out, play four minutes, let's go. All right, coming up next day here, Eli Manning retire some thoughts on that.

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Sandy Kofax was literally great for five years. That's it gets in. Casey Jones average seven a game, eight titles in. Charles Barkley, some of it was flamboyance, personality, had one really great playoff run, wasn't known as a good defender or a hard worker, but Charles gets in because he's, by the way, Carmelon. Carmelon's second all-time in scoring, I believe.

Okay, and Charles Barkley was the best power forward in the league for a good five to ten-year stretch, right? he was so look the issue with Hall of Fames is that we have opened up to the Hall of Good Sandy Kofax was the best pitcher in the league period stop four or five years he's a Hall of Famer you know the issue with the

Bigios are he was good at everything he did and he played for a long time right and that's kind of Eli Manning the only difference is he won two soup bowls but how much of win and look let's start by saying this Eli Manning is going to be in the pro football Hall of Fame yes okay so this is not a debate whether or not

he will be. Yeah. It's more a question of, should he be? Because he's Eli, because he won two Super Bowls, he did it in New York, he's going to get in. Right. But would you say that your overall record, not in a small sample size of a couple of years, but overall record is at least a fair indication for what kind of quarterback you are? Yes.

Like Philip Rivers, who's drafted the same year, who's had some really lean years and has never had the postseason success of Eli Manning. Better franchise for the last 15 years. Chargers or Giants? Last 15 years. Well, the Giants, because they won more, they won some Bulls. Okay. You know, Giants.

Philip Rivers is 123 and 101. Eli Manning is 117 and 117. Matt Ryan is 109 and 80, 29 games above 500. Joe Flacco, who everybody thinks stinks. You know, Joe Placco stinks. 98 and 73 is a starting quarterback. Alex Smith, Captain Checked out himself, who first seven years was Myers.

and constant change in San Francisco, 94, 66, and 1. So look, he's going to get in because the Super Bowl is that big. Of course. Like, look, Priest Holmes. Let me just, Priest Holmes belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame for the same reason as Terrell Davis did. They both basically had three great years. One year where they led the league in rushing,

I think they both led the league in touchdowns twice. The difference is, Terrell Davis won two Super Bowls. Priest Holmes did not. but he was the best running back in the league. Eli was never a top five quarterback, ever. And his teams consistently told you as much because the top five quarterbacks generally all win 10, 11 games a year. And otherwise, he wouldn't have a 500 record.

And he's played for one of the best organizations in the sport. Well, but again, it's where I don't judge things equally. I think, again, the fourth quarter in the NBA is bigger than first. Yes. Playoffs in Super Bowl are bigger than regular season. personality matters. I feel Barkley is more more to the league than

other players who are Carl Malone. So Eli has a personality? No, no, no, I'm saying. The Flash in the Pan Super Bowl quarterbacks, like, look, I don't know Doug Williams only did it once, but Doug Williams is not a Hall of Famer. Yeah, but he did it. Joe Flacco has a better career record, won a Super Bowl, and is not a, huh? Let's just go to the Super Bowls.

You can't tell the Belichick, Brady, New England, Manning, NFL, the cat, Super Bowl. There's nine stories in the NFL Super Bowl, which is by far and away the biggest game. There's nine stories you can't tell without Eli. He is so relevant to the history of the league. But relevance

does not a Hall of Famer make. A Hall of Famer should be the best of the best of the best. And he was never the best of the best of the best. That should be. We know that writers have voted guys. That's the discussion I'm having. I'm not saying whether he not, he will be. Right. He will be. Because of the

you can't tell the story without like, yeah, he threw it up and David Tyree caught it. And there was the Manningham. Manningham was a great throw. But it followed West Welker's drop, right? And Jezell, I cannot get to do everything. My husband cannot do everything. But he made the throws.

He did make the throws. And he was really. But he also gets credit for, it's like he gets credit for the fires that he started putting out the fires that he started. Well, give you. They win the Super Bowl when you're there, nine and seven. I'll give you an example. You had to go on a road.

And by the way, he's only clutch when he wins. Because all the rest of the years, they made the playoffs, they never won a game. The only years they won games when they won Super Bowls. It's the craziest bipolar stats ever. You can be, I'll give you context on Priest Holmes. Here's a prime example. I probably talked to six different

NFL players that say the Kansas City offensive line was not only the best in its time. It's the best ever. They also had the best blocking tight end. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Wait, the Denver Broncos had seven straight thousand yard rushers that were like, I think seven different guys. With Mike Shanahan.

Right. And that and Torell, and Terrell Davis was the running back. He was the best of them. My whole point is context. The Super Bowl defines, I mean, let's be honest. Yes. You have to be Dan Marino to get in without the Super Bowl. Right, because we all look at John Elway and the early Super Bowls as John Elway choking. When the reality of it is, if you take a breath, he elevated a team that was very average, no defense,

and somehow they found a way to beat Cleveland twice through miracles. John Elway's greatness got them to a Super Bowl. and then they got exposed in those Super Bowls, right? We do, we overreact to, I mean, Baltimore overreacted with the contract they gave to Joe Flacco. You know, Larry Brown's big contract after he gets a couple, Neil O'Donnell throws him a couple balls, and he wins Super Bowl MVP. We absolutely overreact to the biggest game. Well, I mean, think about the regular season in the NFL.

Belichick experiments with September. He just experiments with it. Yes. Many coaches, Tony Dungey's a Hall of Fame coach, rested players before the playoffs. we literally have parts of the NFL that we experiment in like the NBA. I mean, it's largely understood, like defensive. I mean, I've talked to scouts about this. You want to evolve until the summer.

Tell me the thing that makes you think Aaron Rogers is a bad leader. We don't have time for it. I got a minute and a half left. I'm going to lead with it next hour. It's fascinating. I miss it. I have to listen to it on the drive. You don't think Zion or Eli are any good.

I had to, so we are using. I think Zion's going to be great. I'm still concerned he's going to get hurt. No, the Ely was really, really good. I think it's hard to have a big brother who's a better player. But his big brother is a Hall of Famer, and Eli Manning is just a really good quarterback. That's the difference, right? Is he even in the stratosphere of Peyton Manning's quarterback?

Well, Peyton Manning could be... That's my question. Is he even in the stratosphere? Yeah, because the two Super Bowls. No, he is not. Because even Peyton Manning's second Super Bowl was a joke. He didn't do anything. It's so hard to make it to a Super Bowl.

He won two of them and won two of them. I got it. I got it. And he won a bunch of road games to get there. And then he faced the best team ever and he beat him, the best offense ever. And they got their second chance in four weeks to beat him. They lost him in the last regular season game. I think he could make these arguments for literally every single career.

Is he in the stratosphere of Breeze, of Rogers, of yes. Winning two Super Bowls puts in that shot as a player. Yes. No, he's not. He was the quarterback. He had to make those throws. Of Aaron Rogers, of Drew Breeze? Way better arm than Breeze.

Way better leader. He's not a better quarterback. Way better leadership than Aaron Rogers. He's not a better quarterback. Well, but they're all going to make it. I mean, there's always stratas in halls. Eli's a great leader. Where has the leadership been recently when all the,

when O'Dell Beckham Jr. stepped down line? The problem was Ben McAdoo, bad GM. It's always somebody else's proud. Always somebody else's fault. Aaron Rogers agent. I mean, to me, we all know that everybody's not equal in Hall of Fame. There's like, I'm saying what it should be, not what it will be. Well, you got to have stratas in every institution.

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much of a homer. I like, I think Eli, I think if you, if I can't tell the story of the NFL and like, you can't tell a whole decade of the NFL without Eli Manning. It's not like, oh, like he won this one Super Bowl and he was great in it. And it's who we be. I don't think you can tell the story of the NFL without Joe Flacco, but Joe Flacco is not a Hall of Famer. I can absolutely tell the story of the NFL without Joe Flacco. I mean, you have to mention that team, like that team was an important team. Yeah, I mean, you've got to mention Matt Hasselbeck, but. I can't tell the story. Right.

I mean, Eli literally has the craziest completion, beat the dynasty, beat the goat, beat Balachek. The Manning name does help. It's like I said, New York helps Jeter, but he was still great in the biggest stages. The name Manning helps Eli, but he was still great in the biggest stages. It absolutely helps, but that doesn't mean that he didn't go out there and make those throws. And to me, aside from all of that, which obviously that Super Bowl was amazing for me, I've never rooted harder for a team I didn't care about in my life because I obviously,

We'll have the dolphins and can't have that. Need the 72 dolphins. It's all we have left. But the fact that he was healthy for as long as he was. He never missed to start a due to injury. Never, ever. That's like that's an, that's insane. Part of what I think is the Brett Farve story. He's the American cowboy. Like Brett Farb took a, got knocked out constantly.

Never ever. And had Ben McAdoo not lost his mind and sat him, it would have been even longer. By the way, I want to talk about this. A lot of you guys are getting worked out. I read Sports Illustrated this morning. Dear Adam Silver, please do. something about minutes restrictions for Zion. This is outrageous. How can in the world, in a stretch where he scored 17 points in 188 seconds, the Pelicans chasing a playoff spot. How do you sit him? This is outrageous. Settle down, champ.

Settle down. Folks, LeBron James is not worth a hundred million. Franchises, bad franchises, the Cavaliers would sell for $3 billion. dollars. LeBron has been a $50 billion gift to the NBA. Zion has a chance just because there's more money now than when LeBron entered the league and the contracts are more. He has a chance to be a $75 billion impact player for the NBA. Shoe sales, TV ratings, Madison Avenue, filling arenas, selling jerseys, selling tickets, elevating the entire league infrastructure, and you're going to risk it on a Wednesday night game against the Spurs? Come on, peep, settle down. By the way, Kevin Durant was pushed a few extra

minutes. Injury out of the finals. Clay Thompson rushed back. Injury out for the year. Zion needs to be handled with care. Torque explosiveness coming off injuries. The Pelicans medical staff said, here's the plan, do not deviate, and Alvin Gentry defended rightly his operation last night. I'm pretty sure Sean wouldn't take Drew Brees out in that situation. Okay, but I think we've got to be smart about it. I think we understand that we have to look long-term and not, you know, one game, short-term, put him out there and play him extended minutes, you know.

So we were not going to do that in any situation. So I think he made his point, and I think he'll continue to get better, but we can't sacrifice his whole future for one short-term thing. Here's what can't happen with Zion. You play him too much and he gets hurt. Here's what can happen. Fanboys complaining about his minutes during the regular season. That can happen.

We can handle that. An injury, and it all changes because he's already had several. So this is the long play. This is a $75 billion league asset. You know how when you send something like UPS or FedEx or something like that, you have to pay a lot for insurance, especially if it's valuable? All that minute restriction is is insurance. This is a –

John Morant is going to be a great player. It's not a $50 billion league game changer. This guy is a fiend. He is going to be a 12-year spectacle. And with the kind of money on TV rights now, you do not risk extra minutes for an NBA TIF on a Wednesday night in January. With that, we go, Greg Kossel, 40 years at NFL films as objective as anybody else. Greg, how are you?

Oh, I'm doing great. How are you? I'm fine. You know, I support Jimmy G a lot. He only had eight attempts against Green Bay. I could make the argument, though, that it is hard when you are inactive to be asked in big spots to be very accurate and active. Like, you know, there's not much tape on Jimmy G. making big throws, but I still think when they ask him to make him, he generally makes him. What did you make of the Green Bay tape? You know, I have to tell you, I'm a little confused by all this Jimmy G.

I don't know what even the right word would be, but the guy started maybe 26 or 27 games in his career. He's in a really good system, one of the best in the league. He's relatively efficient. There's a couple of bad throws because they work the middle of the field so extensively. So there are times where he just doesn't account for some underneath defenders. But I'm confused, Colin, about what the issue is. You know, this was a game in which their run game was as multiple. as it's ever been different concepts out of different personnel groupings.

It was the full Monty of the run game. It was zone. It was trap. It was gap scheme. It was what we call G scheme. It was toss. It was windback. They have multiple blocking schemes that have different formation looks.

Every team would have loved their quarterback to throw eight balls in a game and dominate the game. What makes their run game so effective? We know about the zone read principles. They just gashed Green Bay. And, I mean, not just for a quarter or a series. Well, I have a theory about that in this particular game, and I'm going to give it to you. Actually, we were discussing it here on the matchup show at NFL Films, and one of my guys who's been a coach, and he actually brought it up.

And as soon as he said it, the lightball moment went off. I think the Packers under Mike Patton, and this is his style, are much more of a scheme to defense. In other words, Patton likes to play out of his nickel with five defensive backs. He likes to play out of his dime with six defensive backs. And the 49ers, with their high percentage focus on base personnel, forced Petten to play out of his base 3-4. And I think that's what he likes to do the least. So the 49ers forced the Packers to play the most snaps of what they want to do the least and what they do the worst. You know, it's funny about Green Bay, and I can't unsee this.

I saw him pushed around twice against the Niners, pushed around against Philadelphia, pushed around against the Chargers. I can't unsee that, Greg. they are a team to me. They just need to physically, they're not particularly strong. They appear to be opportunistic, but not a daunting defense. Is some of this for Green Bay, they're personnel defensively? Possibly, although I think their front's not bad. You know, I just think it's a philosophy thing.

You know, I think that Mike Petten likes to play a certain way, and I think that that's the way they played predominantly this season. You know, they played a ton of snaps this season. and I don't know if it's the most in the league, but it's very close. They played a ton of snaps with six defensive backs on the field. That's the way he schemes best. And when you play the Niners with the abundance of two backs with a fullback and two tight ends, they sort of force you to line up and play with your base personnel.

And not a lot of teams are really efficient playing that way. I want to go to Aaron Rogers, who in two games against San Francisco, was outscored 50 to nothing. I've been critical of Matt LaFleur's ability to adjust at half. They were a bad fourth quarter offense and a bad second half offense. With their pieces, they were like 13th and second half scoring. But I also thought there was a certain nonchalance. I've been very critical of Aaron.

I think he's a great talent, but I think he bails on plays. I think he bailed on McCarthy. There's teammates he's bailed on. There was a nonchalance to his game. I don't, I mean, I just, what my eyes told me, It is confounding to me. I just never felt good. And body language is overrated.

I get it. What was wrong with Green Bay's first half offense? Was it just schemes? Well, I think they came out, and they did try to run the ball, and they had some success. You know, and then I think their defense hurt them as well. So the game sort of got into a different flow. I thought that the sack fumble, where Williams sacked Rogers to end the Packers' third possession. I thought that was on Rogers. I thought he did not recognize something that a veteran

should recognize. Maybe some see it differently, but I looked at that play really closely, and obviously they lost that. I don't think they lost it, but they had to punt. So, you know, I don't think he was overly sharp mentally. And there are times, and we've discussed this over the years, Colin, you know, I've been telling you this for five, six years. There are times he just does not turn it loose on throws that are there. Yes. And he's been a quarterback that has been a big play quarterback, and he's capable of great moments and great games.

But I think overall, just the game to game and play-to-play consistency has not quite been there. Yeah. No, I've got my own theories on that, but he has increasingly become a little bit of a safe quarterback, and I don't think you can beat San Francisco. It's my Mike Tyson theory. I cover about 10 Tyson fights. if you didn't punch him in the first round, Mike could smell it.

He could smell your fear. San Francisco's a team. You have to back them off because if they felt Minnesota played scared, I think Green Bay was apprehensive, and I think that defensive line can sense it. They go from aggressive to hyper-aggressive, and I think it's a bad spot to be in. So let me shift to Patrick Mahomes. You know, they didn't run a lot. But like San Francisco's past game, there were moments that Kansas City did run a

effectively. Let's say they got a lead against San Francisco. Do you trust this Kansas City offense to eat clock their O-line their run game? Well, I don't think they'll play that way unless you get, you know, late third quarter, fourth quarter, which is pretty much when they ran in the AFC championship game, they're not going to come out and run the ball. Now, having said that, that doesn't mean they'll never hand it off, but they're not going to build their offense around the run game. The run game will come into play selectively, and it may come into play if they happen to be ahead by more than a score late third quarter, fourth quarter. But this offense is built on throwing the football.

It's built on Mahomes and the gun. It's built on different formations that put tremendous stress on a defense. And I'm sure we'll talk more next week about specific matchups. But I would think that the Niners would end up playing a lot of zone in this game because I don't think the Niners can match up. Yeah. You know, we felt that going into the game. We like Kansas City.

We just thought you have to make choices against Kansas. Right. Unless you have two really solid corners, because their tight end is so productive. You get into a guessing game, like where are they going? I think they're a tough matchup. The Chief's defense, and you've remarked on this, it is, I've always loved Honey Badger as an instinctive player. Really good player. And he's just always in the right spot.

He can run you down. He's got great football instincts. He's part of it. But the Chief's defense to me, Greg, it looks like a real defense situation. they can make plays. Chris Jones being back is a big factor and could well be a big factor in the Super Bowl. We'll talk more about that.

But I think that their defense has a lot of versatility in the secondary. You mentioned Matthew. He can play multiple positions, plus he's very good near the line of scrimmage in the run game and as an occasional blitzer. I think Fuller now has become a really important piece since they lost the rookie safety Thornhill. Fuller has essentially become a back-end safety,

but yet he's also capable of matching up because he's a corner by trade. And who's to say he won't see snaps matching up against Kiddle, man to man, when they're in their dime their six defensive back package. So they have a lot of versatility in that secondary. Yeah. Finally, the big play. We'll have you on next week as well, talk more Super Bowl. But I want to go back to your big play and it involved Jimmy G.

Yeah, and obviously they didn't throw the ball very much. But just to lead into this, keep one thing in mind. No team in the NFL uses shifting and motion more than the 49ers. Over 70% of their offensive snaps this year featured some form of shifting or motion. So just think about that as we start the play. This was in the first quarter, and it was a 30-yard pass to Samuel. Obviously, they didn't throw the ball very much, but I think this plays very, very reflective of what they do as we take a look at it. What you're going to see here is in what they have used to check offset in the backfield.

21 personnel, two backs, Debo Samuel is the split receiver to the boundary, what we call the X. The attackers are playing with split safeties. That's what they're doing here. Now, as you could say, why are they doing that? Well, we'll see, but there's motion. This is a shift, actually, by Use Check. He will shift outside of Samuel, and look how the defense expands and widens. That's what they're hoping for.

Now you get a motion, so you have a shift, and now you have a motion by Rahim Moster at the back. He's going to motion, and that's going to widen Blakemore. So the defense has now been expanded and widened, all for the purpose of getting Samuel, who's now technically a slot receiver, to run an in-breaking route against split safety coverage. There's a lot of space that's created by the shifting in motion, and it becomes pitch and catch. And that's Garapolo's game. He's a timing, rhythm thrower. You create space.

That's a zone coverage concept. You create the space, and that's an easy throw, and that was a 30-yard gain. That's what they do so well with all the shifting. motion. And keep in mind, don't ever use the word window dressing, Colin. When coaches shift and motion, it's never a window dressing. It's always for a reason. Yeah, I like how you say it widens and it separates. Just a little motion out of the backfield and suddenly the linebacker and the safety nudge over, boom, you got your play. Greg Kosell, 40 years NFL film. Great talking to you. Thanks, Colin. See you next week. Coming up, Matt LaFleur calls out the Packers. Is he also calling out

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First ballot Hall of Fame talent, but he's a bailer. I saw in the last two days, family kind of bailed on his family. He's bailed on teammates. He bailed on McCarthy. Last year, he led the NFL in throwaways. He bales on plays. He's a bailer. He's bailed on teammates who have turned on him.

He's really talented, but he's a bailer. And there's two stats about Aaron Rogers, which I think are jarring and don't make sense. One is, why is he a 500 career road job? quarterback. If you go to all the contemporaries, Tony Romo, Breeze, Ben, Brady, Peyton Manning, all of his contemporaries, they're all significantly better road quarterbacks. The road is about discomfort and fighting through things, not bailing on a play, not bailing on a teammate. You've got to fight through discomfort on the road. Russell Wilson, great road quarterback. Never gets blown out. Always close in games. Fights. Fights

through everything. Aaron gets blown out a lot multiple times in his career and he's bad on the road. I think that's a problem and signals his personality. The second one is, for as great as he is, he's got one road come from behind fourth quarter win. One in 13 years. Mark Sanchez has double that. So does Nick Foles. Eli Manning's got four times that. Again, fighting through. discomfort. Here's a weird stat with Aaron Rogers. Most fourth quarter comeback since 2008. Matt Ryan

30, Drew Breeze 28, Stafford 28, Phillip Rivers 22, Big Ben 22. Aaron's 16? Well, he doesn't trail much. The Steelers do? The Saints do? By the way, Tom Brady's got more than that. New England never trails in the fourth.

Look at those two stats. Those two stats are doesn't come from behind a win. That's discomfort. That's leadership. That's all in. Fight through it. And he's not good on the road.

The road is about battling through discomfort. Brady's a great road quarterback. Peyton Manning was a great road quarterback. Russell Wilson's a great road quarterback. Aaron's not. So this has always been about he's a disengager. If you criticism, he ghosts you. Disagreement family ghosts.

That's who he is. So yesterday, Matt Lafleur comes out. And I think this is really, it takes a lot of guts. I'm not sure if it's smart. He comes out and basically calls out the team. And I think you have to connect the team to Aaron Rogers here about the apathy against San Francisco. That's something that I'm still trying to figure out right now as we speak. I mean, I don't understand that because you're there.

You have an opportunity to go to playing a Super Bowl. and for that to happen, it's extremely, it's bothersome. And we've got to look at ourselves, everybody. I've got to look inside of myself and see why weren't our players playing with their hair on fire. I think everybody in our organization has to do that. He was bothered about lack of urgency, kind of bailed, kind of quit. isn't this my single criticism? Never said Aaron's not talented.

I've never said he's not great. I've never said he's not a Hall of Famer. But don't you look at that road record and go, huh? Don't you look at that come from behind playoff record and go, huh? Don't you look at his fourth quarter comebacks and go, huh? The road is about discomfort. Coming from behind is about discomfort. That's what it's all about.

Stop making excuses. Nobody will talk about this. I think it's a real thing. I think it's gutsy for Matt Lafleur. to now acknowledge the criticisms you often got from McCarthy. Where's the urgency? Where's the leadership? Why are we bailing?

Why are we getting blown out multiple times? I think it's gutsy. I'm not sure if it's smart. But he's not wrong. Matt Lefleur is not wrong. You watched it. You saw it. Like Green Bay Quet.

Biggest game of the year. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, speaking of Aaron Rogers, we almost got a Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rogers matchup in the Super Bowl this year. Instead, Mahomes will be taking on Jimmy Jean the 49ers,

and he was asked if he would reach out to his friend, Aaron Rogers, for any tips on how to prepare for the NFC champs. Yeah, I haven't even thought about that. I might need to, but no, I do have a relationship where I can talk to him and text him and do stuff like that, but I'll probably just focus in on what we do here and what Coach Reed game plans because I know he's done a good,

he's done a good job of game planning all year long. We know they do the commercials together. So maybe Aaron has a few tips for him on what not to do against the 49ers. For example, you know, play a little harder. Well, my home has better weapons. You have to prepare for the Packers and Chiefs differently. I mean, with Kansas City, you can't,

you have to be very careful. Well, one thing with Kansas City going to need to do is not start slow because that's what we've been seeing lately. They're going to have to come out of the gate with a little more energy and I think the first drive for them is going to be really important against the 49ers because like you said

earlier, you have to show San Francisco that you're going to give them a little push. Can it come out safe? Not that the chiefs are safe, but you don't want to be in a situation where you're playing from behind against the 49ers because then they're going to be able to run the ball and we know what they can do once they start doing that. So that's not what we want. But you know, maybe Patrick should shoot him a little

She'll be a tip. You know, you never know it'll be useful. I mean, you ask for tips all the time. Every day. I'm a, I am constantly, I'm curious. I'm looking for edges every day. That's what you should do. So it's been 15 years since the Eagles lost to the Patriots

in Super Bowl 39. But Donovan McNabb is still thinking about the team's decline after that game. He said they had high hopes for the next season despite Super Bowl loss. And he blames T.O. for Philadelphia's collapse. The off season goes through, and then all of a sudden it's turmoil here and there's conversation going back and forth. And we had to answer those questions instead of focusing on what we need to do in order to get back to where we work. You know, he's doing sit-ups, you know, he's doing push-ups, he's playing basketball, he ordering pizza for the people out there. And we're sitting there at training camp, just like, you got to be kidding me.

Brian Dawkins and Trotter with my roommate. And Dawkins coming, he's like, man, what do you do now? I'm like, take a look. Like, this is like days of our lives. Like, it's unbelievable. But, you know, that was something that kind of broke us up. That was the most frustrating for me because I knew what we could do. And if we decided to just come together, when we'd be able to accomplish.

I feel like the stories from that team are like never ending. Now, Tio didn't like that, I imagine. No, Tio responded. He said, oh, bleep, I can't wait to tell my story. I'm bringing popcorn doing. sit-ups and going to eat a couple cans of chunky soup. This guy is a joke talking about I broke up the Eagles. Did you tell them that you vouched for the Eagles to pay Westbrook, but not me?

It's on. The Eagles went 6 and 10 in 2005 after going to 4 straight and NFC championship games from 2001 to 2004. So it absolutely was a collapse. Well, yeah, and by the way, if you're Donovan McNabb and you went and said pay Westbrook, that would because you were tired of T.O. I don't know if, I don't have a problem with Donovan McNab saying, Listen, pay Westbrook, by the way, he's a great soul.

I mean, Westbrook's a great guy in the locker room. I have no problem with Donovan McNabb, if that is true, saying, pay Westbrook, he's rock solid. Don't pay T.O. He's a headache. Well, they still don't have a good relationship, obviously. He says he gives Tio a nice peace sign every time he sees him. I just feel like we're constantly always getting stories from this group of guys in this team. And, you know, it's a nice little petty back and forth. Tio has to acknowledge

he's needy. I've said that to his face, by the way. I've had Tio here and I've said Terrell, you can be a little needy. And I like, and by the way, I think he's a hall of famer. He never did drugs. He's not a bad human being.

I think the narrative on Tio is that. Like, I think people have revisionist history of like he was this big troublemaker and, you know, they're preparing him to like Antonio Brown. Like, no, no, no. Tio never got in trouble.

Like, yes, he's a big personality. And maybe, you know, Donovan McNap and him didn't get along and Donovan didn't like his antics, but sometimes you got to make exceptions for great talent. Like that's how it works and find a way to communicate with him. That's not going to, you know, break your team apart. Finally, great night last night in the NBA. Zion Williamson came alive in the fourth quarter of his NBA debut. He scored 17 straight points, went four for four on three-point shots during the fourth quarter. And despite the loss, Zion said he was finally, he was happy to get to play and have a dream come true.

It was everything I dreamed of, except for the losing part. It's the energy the crowd brought, the energy the city brought. It was electric, and I'm just grateful that they did that. So it was a dream come true to finally get out there, but the end of the day, I didn't want to win. So I just got to look to the next game. It was really enjoyable to see him have that moment last night. Listen, fans love it that you care as much as fans do. I went to a Utah Jazz game a month ago.

it's nice to know and the players were totally into it like five minutes to go they were fighting for loose balls well that's endearing to me as a fan so you care as much as I do Zion really loves basketball he loved Duke

he's like a little boy he's like a little kid and it's like it's really relatable to fans I think Zion is kind of a unique he's a unique player in that when LeBron came into the league I don't feel like I feel like he was kind of almost automatically

polarizing you know the chosen one, you know, on the cover, Sports Illustrated and all that. How do you not like Zion? I don't know anyone that doesn't like Zion. Like everyone loves Zion and he went to New Orleans, which is not a threat. A threat or a city that inspires any kind of, I mean, who doesn't at least appreciate New Orleans. Right. You know what I mean?

So he's in this unique space in the NBA world where everyone is rooting for him. Like he doesn't inspire any animosity. And it's because of the way he plays. Like he plays in a way that we've almost never seen before because of his size and power. And then for him to be out there and make four threes, that to me was the most exciting part. Like him being out there obviously was great to see him out on the court. And, you know, he's a little rusty at first. He was a little questionable.

But he should be. He's 19 years old. Yeah, he's not in great shape. I mean, I don't think there's any question. He's not. Why would he be? Yeah, it's hard. He's coming back from rehab.

Of course, I didn't expect that. But the three-point shots were exciting because if he can maintain that, that doesn't be a problem. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News.

We have Chris Broussard's going to be joining us. I think Chris is around the corner, isn't he? I want to get, we're going to talk a bunch of Zion. Eli Manning retired yesterday. I think Eli Manning picked a perfect time. So Eli Manning wanted to play and looked around, and there were no takers. And Philip Rivers is in Miami or Florida, and he's going to look around and find there's no takers. This is why I've said with Tom Brady, the market's really small.

He's obviously better than Philip and Eli Manning. He also has a better coach, a better offensive line coach, better defense behind him. So Brady's got much more assistance as he has aged. But the NFL has been a copycat league. There's nobody trying to copy Tom Brady. That's not what the NFL is now offering it quarterback. I always thought Letterman. David Letterman retired at the perfect time is that he looked around.

He was mid-60s. He looked around. and Jimmy Fallon was a zillion followers on Instagram, very social media-driven bits, and Colbert, Stephen Coir's doing politics. And David looked around, like, I don't want to do a ton of politics.

I don't give a rip about all this social stuff. The league, my industry is moving away from me, so I'm going to end, have a great last six weeks, a legendary last two shows, Crest out. Put on Oprah, Norm MacDonald,

great show. Paul, thanks, band. boom done. I like neat endings. It's really hard in sports. In my career, broadcasting, you don't have a lot of neat endings. You don't have it in football. Now that Letterman did it right. He was like, listen, man, I can see what Jimmy Fallon's doing. I don't have any interest to be on Instagram. I can see what Stephen Colbert's doing. I don't have any interest to talk Trump. It's just time. Like, I'll go to a Netflix show. And I think for Eli, part of what I admire, He's always been great in the big moment. He ended his career smartly, the last big moment.

Tomorrow in New York. I'm done. Put a ball on it. I think it's perfect for Eli Manning. 66. Chris Broussard next talking Zions. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed the game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending.

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Chris Brousard, former New York Times Sports Editor. you watched LeBron's debut. I'll get to that in a second. You were there. You remember everything about it. You remember his preseason, which LeBron's preseason rookie year was not great. Let's go to Zion last night.

Gottlieb was nothing but questions and negativity. I was like, listen, I got four minutes where I was like, pow, what did you make of it? I loved, obviously, the first recorded you couldn't see anything. But I liked the fact that he didn't like two things. First, he showed poise. and the moment wasn't too big, which was great. This was the most anticipated debut since you said LeBron, right?

Then he doesn't let the fact that he's playing in four-minute stints. Frustrating. That could have easily frustrated him, you know? And he didn't let that happen. He got his rhythm in the fourth quarter, and he capitalized on the moment. So I was wildly impressed with several things. One, you can, I heard Doug say they left him wide open and he shot.

Well, that's what most teams are going to do. do initially. Yeah. And if he can hit just 35% of his threes, then for the next seven to ten years while his athleticism is what it is, he's going to be a superstar, period. Yeah. Because if you get up on him, he'll be able to go around you. Yeah.

Or bully you. Right. That's the other thing he can post. And you saw it yesterday where he, you know, got a pass over a big man. Like he's great in the post. What I love about, I mean, there's so much, the court vision. first pass to Brandon Ingram cutting across the lane. That's a nice pass.

But I like that he could grab the rebound and push the ball. And you saw his pass to Etouin Moore on the fast-breaking transition. Great pass. So I'm going to tell you what I saw last night, Colin. I thought he was a combination of Draymond Green

and Larry Johnson. I think he's a thousand times better than Draymond Green. I agree. But I said a combination. So he's a Draymond Green in terms of playmaking. Now, maybe not quite that good. I don't know. We'll see.

But he can push the ball. He can pass. He's got court vision. But he's a Draymond Green that can post up. And he's a Draymond green that can give you 24 to 25 points a night. So think about that. Draymine's playmaking with Larry Johnson's scoring ability. So I was a little bit skeptical going in.

I said yesterday I thought John Morant will have the better. career between these two. Now, we'll see what happens because Giles off to a great start, too, and they're winning in Memphis. But I got more than I bargained for it from Zion. Okay, so, but you, before we go to the LeBron comps, let me guess, you're one of these, oh, my God, you've got to play them more. Now, my theory is this. Franchises are worth double what they were when LeBron entered the league.

LeBron's been worth $50 billion to the league in terms of marketing, television ratings, capital to the league. this kid's $100 billion asset. What can't happen is he gets hurt. What can happen is we complain he didn't play many minutes in a regular season game. Like I have no problem with tight minute restrictions. You don't like that.

Well, what are you talking about tight? Like, if they're only playing him, say, next season, 24, 25 minutes a night, you're fine with that? I'm fine with 18 minutes a night this year and 28 minutes a night next year. Okay, 28. Look, I feel like at a certain point, you got to let the guy play. Right.

And if he's going to get hurt, he's going to get hurt. Now, I'm not, neither one of us is doctors, trained, or scientists. So whatever the science says is what it is. But I also think sometimes the science is over. I bet you the science says you're overworked. Seriously, right? Oh, boy. I bet it says you don't get enough sleep.

Don't you think that's true? Well, the overwork part is clearly not true. But I bet my wife's a mess. medical doctor, I know the science says she doesn't get enough rest. Last night she got hardly any sleep she was on call. So she got about three hours sleep and she's got to work an eight to ten hour day to day. I'm sure the science says that's not good, but high productivity people in highly productive careers, that's what it is in America.

And it's the same thing for athletes. So I just feel like, look, I'm fine with the minutes restriction right now. Okay. You don't want to get him hurt. Obviously, I don't think it was in great shape. he looked a little pudgy. No, he looked a little pudgy. My first thought initially was, my goodness.

Like, he just looked fat. I mean, really, he didn't look good. Little Oliver Miller, that. Right. That was one of the first names that came to mind. But so get him in shape. And the only way you get in shape, Colin, is playing NBA minutes. You're not going to get in shape on the bike.

They don't practice a lot because of the schedule. He's got to play. And at some point, you got to say, look, if he gets hurt, it just wasn't meant to be. I don't want to hear that. I'll throw up. I don't want the kid to get hurt, but you can't baby him. Well, I think you can baby a little. He's 19.

Last night was maybe an aberration. What if he plays 18 minutes a night for the rest of the year, and he's averaging 10 points? Are you happy with that? He ain't average. If he's playing, if that fourth quarter is an indication of what he can do, he ain't averaging 10 points in 18 minutes. He's going to be averaging 16. What I'll give you is he can get, he can score without you having to run a lot of plays for him. What's the hurry?

Why do I got to play him 38? Well, what's the hurry? Not 38. Not 38 nowadays, I mean, minutes of all, minutes for everybody have gone down. No, very few players are averaging more than 30 minutes a game. So 28 is okay, but I want to see the kid play. Let him play. If he gets hurt, if he's going to get hurt in 28 minutes, he probably was going to get hurt in 35 minutes.

All right, let's go. Compare the LeBron debut. You were there. Take your time on this. Compare the LeBron's eye on debut. Well, the hype was obviously just as. big for LeBron, if not bigger. The only thing that makes this hype bigger is just the technology.

We have social media. Right, the increase in technology. But, I mean, media from all over the world was there. It was in Sacramento. LeBron was better because he played more. LeBron played the whole game. He played against a really good Sacramento team. Remember, that's when they had Pages Stoyakovich.

And I don't remember if Chris Weber was healthy that year, but they were still one of the top teams in the league. Yeah, and LeBron is going to be better than Zion. just like to state that. I think Zion's a phenom, but I don't think he's nearly as good as LeBron. No, no. And LeBron just was dominant. It was shocking because, as you said, he hadn't

had a good preseason. Summer League, he was okay, but hadn't had a great good preseason. And out of the gate, 25 points, nine assists, six rebounds, four steals. So you talk to Larry Bird right after that. I did a story the next day. I got Larry Bird on the phone and Larry Bird said two things that blew me away.

One, if within five years this kid's not a surefire Hall of Famer, something went tragically wrong. And two, LeBron's the only player he's ever seen who could have went to the NBA after his junior year of high school. This is Larry Burke, not easily impressed. And he was fawning about LeBron James. So LeBron was obviously the rest is history with LeBron. But Zion, like I said, I was incredibly impressed.

So you think Zion's a bit of a throwback? Yes, I do think he's a throwback in this sense. What separates him from most of the other big-time scores in today's NBA is he doesn't need to dominate the ball. Most of our guys over-dribble, they dominate the ball. Thank you. Right? I was saying this. Westbrook's been in the league 12 years.

He plays one speed. Zion showed me Zion could be patient. Zion could be coach. Zion could set screens. Zion could take over. He gave me several. He could post. He obviously shot jump shots.

And by the way, his tempo. Like Westbrook's 12 years in the league. Even his jumper, he's agitated. How in the world did you bring Russell Westbrook in this conversation? Russell Westbrook and Zion was. But what I'll say is Charles Barkley, who I've said Zion is like a new age version of Berkeley, Barclay averaged 22 points for his career on 14 shots a game.

14 shots a game. Magic didn't shoot it. And we know Magic was a pass, but he didn't shoot a ton. Like, guys back in the day, even Jordan, who shot a lot, he didn't dominate the ball. He didn't over-dribble. No. You know, he would just shoot a lot. So Zion, I don't have to run a ton of plays for him.

Some post stuff you'll run for him. But outside of that, not a ton, which theoretically should mean he should be able to play with Brandon Ingram, who's had a really nice year for them. Yeah. Because Ingram needs the ball. Ingram's made himself a lot of money this show. Right. And it should make it easier for Zion to play with other teammates because he doesn't dominate the ball. I remember when Magic came into the league.

The knock on him was he couldn't defend a bar stool and he can't shoot. There were people that didn't think Magic was. My whole thing about Zion is, folks, he's 19. Right, right. And look, you brought in Westbrook. I'm going to bring in another player watching Zion shoot those trees. who wasn't a great shooter in college. 10 seconds.

It made me quite, Ben Simmons. Get some time in on the three-point line. If he can hit threes, you can hit threes. Good point. Go talk to Gottlieb. He's really anti-Zion. Hour three coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Go to my computercareer.edu and take a free career evaluation today. So, you know, we are, we really start breaking the football game down and having great guests next week. We've got Taysam Hill of the Saints is stopping by, and Jimmy Johnson, by the way, who's a Hall of Famer in about eight different states, college and pro. Let's go to Peter King, NBC Sports,

three-time national sports writer of the year via the Coward Global Satellite Network, brought you by Mercedes Ben's the best or nothing. By the way, let's start with Eli Manning. I think Hall of Fame's, Peter, there's a lot of doors into a Hall of Fame. Craig Biggio compiled a lot of stats. He gets in. Was often

not the best player in his own team. Sandy Kofx was great for five years, he gets in. Casey Jones averaged seven points a game in the NBA, but has eight titles. He gets in. Caram Malone, great regular seasons, no championships. He obviously gets in. I look at Eli Manning and I'm like, yeah, his regular seasons were choppy. But I can't tell the NFL story.

I can't tell Belichick story, Brady's story, Peyton story, the giant story, the Super Bowl story, the greatest catch in the Super Bowl without Eli. To me, so historically relevant, that puts him in. As a Hall of Fame voter, is there. or any doubt in your mind he gets in? Yeah, there's some doubt in my mind. I don't, Colin, you know, I've said this,

I've done this 28 years, and I don't know right now if I'll still be doing it five years from now, you know, when Manning becomes eligible. But every single year, I think I know what's going to happen in that room, and I walk out after I hear, you know, who got in a couple hours later,

and I just shake my head and I say, wow, how'd that happen? So I truly, I don't know if he's getting in or not. But the one thing, I would just make two points, I guess. Eli Manning had, if you talk about the 10 best post seasons that a quarterback ever had, Eli Manning's had two of those. I mean, in the first one, he beat the 18 and O Patriots to win the Super Bowl. He ended Brett Farve's Green Bay career and won in 13 below,

wind chill in the NFC championship game. And then four years later, he goes and he beats Aaron Rogers in Lambeau Field when the Packers are 15 and 1 in the regular season. And then he plays 90 snaps in the championship game against the 49ers and gets beat up like Rocky Balboa in that first movie. and then what does he do in the Super Bowl? He beats Brady and Belichick again. So the first thing you would say is obviously he's got to be in.

He definitely did enough. But then you talk about the 117 and 117 mark in the regular season. You talk about him being 19 games under 500, his last eight years as a quarterback. And you just say, this Hall of Fame, has to be about an entire career. Right. It can't be about two months of a 16-year career.

So where that'll end up, I don't know. Yeah. Well, he's got my vote. You had John Lynch, who I covered. The last NFL team I covered was the Buccaneers with Sam Weish, and John was on that team, so I covered him. And I was a huge Pac-12 football fan, so Pac-10 at the time, so I knew him from there.

He was a quarterback that became a safety. Then I covered him in Tampa. then I work with him at Fox Sports. So I'm absolutely delighted. I've always thought he's a smart guy, a family guy, community guy. He's got an alpha quality to him without all the big ego stuff. But you talk to him on a podcast. You know, Kyle Shanahan, Peter, is intense.

He's not for everybody. How does it work with Lynch and Kyle? I think that Kyle Shanahan, when he went looking for somebody, that was a real big frustration. He was just a week or so away from getting the job with the 49ers. And he told Lynch that I don't have a GM. And I'm worried. And Lynch told me that, hey, I went home and I thought about it for a long time,

like three or four days. And finally, I picked up the phone and called Kyle and said, hey, what about me? And the partnership was born. And I think the reason why it works is that Kyle doesn't want a doormat general manager. Kyle Shanahan wants a general manager who says, hey, Kyle, this is how we're going to get better. And he wants to be in that partnership with somebody he respects.

And he absolutely respects John Lynch. And I think one of the things that has made it work is it goes both ways. I was in their draft room the first year. There was a running back who turned out to be not very good and is not on the team anymore. Joe Williams. And Kyle Shanahan wanted him bad. and Lynch was real hesitant, but he said, hey, that's my coach. He wants them bad.

He should have them. So they drafted them. It didn't work out. But that's the kind of relationship they have, the kind of relationship that says, I am going to do something for you if you feel very strongly about that. And I know if I feel strongly about something, you're going to do that for me. By the way, true story. I just figured out I have one thing in life in common with Kyle Shanahan.

after they drafted Joe Williams from Utah, I texted John Lynch and I'm like, God, I love him. So I loved him too. So I whiffed on Joe Williams and so did Kyle Shanahan. That's why John Lynch went to Stanford and he's a lot smarter than I am. Let's go back.

Hey, how about this though? How about, can I just say one thing? Sure. In the next round, they get George Kittle. So, you know, now Joe Williams, you look back at that and you say, never mind. That's right.

All's well that ends well. Let's go back. Let's go back. And, you know, I'm not going to re-discuss my conspiracy theory on Belichick, the Garoppolo trade to San Francisco. But you certainly could have gotten more for it for Jimmy Garoppolo than a second round pick, certainly. How much of that?

Go back to when it happened. I remember hearing it because I'd been on the air for a year as my producers as a witness saying, why there's eight teams that need a quarterback? Why are people going after Jimmy Garoppolo? He's excellent. Go back to your. initial reaction, Garapolo to the Niners for a second round pick. How shocked were you that's all they surrendered? I was surprised. I don't know about shocked because he was about to be a free agent

and he could have gone basically anywhere. And I think one of the things, I think Belichick had two things working. Look, we'll never know the absolute truth until Belichick writes his book or Shan or Shanhanner Lynch writes his. Okay, but I will always believe that, first of all, you know, Bill Belichick did not want to send Jimmy Garoppolo anywhere in the AFC if he could help it because obviously Cleveland would have given him more for Garapolo, but he never, I don't think he ever even talked to Cleveland. If you send him into the other conference,

you only play them either in the Super Bowl or once every four years. and Bill Belichick legitimately liked Jimmy Garoppolo. He liked his family. And he thought, man, if Kyle Shanahan would coach this guy, he's going to get everything out of him. He will absolutely maximize his potential. So I think it was, I honestly think it was Belichick doing the 49ers a good turn. He liked Shanahan.

He really liked John Lynch. And they all lived happily ever after. And could the Patriots? have gotten more, yes, no question in my mind. But Belichick decided to do his backup quarterback is solid. Finally, I'm a huge fan of Andy Reed the coach and Andy Reid the human. We text from time to time and I've told Joy Taylor earlier today. I like San Francisco in this game slightly, but it would bum me out if Andy lost because

here come the naysayers and the critics. You know Andy pretty well. Are any of the criticisms, Clock Manage? can't develop a running game. Are any of them fair with Andy Reid? I think they're fair. I mean, he hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's the sixth winning his coach in NFL history, and he hasn't won a Super Bowl, and everyone ahead of them have won Super Bowls and are championships, many of them multiple. So, yeah, I think it's, I think it's deserved, and he knows it too. As a matter of fact, I got a long piece on Andy Reid coming out on Monday,

and he addresses it. And he basically says, without giving it away, you know, he just absolutely, if you had seen or heard the way he answered the question, you know he doesn't let this rule his life. Yeah. I think you'll enjoy reading that on Monday, Colin, as an Andy Reid guy.

Great stuff. Peter King. We'll see in the Super Bowl. Can't wait. We the North, like your shirt out there, buddy. Good scene. I can't wait to see you live next. week. All right, good stuff, Peter King. By the way, you got plans this weekend. Be prepared. Windshield wipers. Michelin endurance XT silicone wiper blades last two times longer,

and they're available only at Walmart. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So it's a pro bowl this week. Yeah, I know. I haven't paid any attention to it. I'm not a big pro bowl fan. Well, Lamar Jackson and Drew Brees are both participating in the pro bowl. Breeze son Phelan is a big fan of Lamar. And Breeze posted a picture of his son in Ravens gear to Instagram saying Lamar, my son, Baylon is looking for you at Pro Bowl this week. You are his guy. He's pumped to meet you.

He's really cute. He's got all of his ravens gear on. I think this is funny because his father is one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history. He's decked out in his ravens gear. Right. So they did meet, and Lamar was throwing some passes to Drew Breese's sons, which just also makes me laugh because he immediately tackles his brother, boom, on the ground. and it's football, so this is totally normal at the Pro Bowl. Well, for a little kid, Lamar, you know, and this Zion has some of this.

Lamar's a spectacle. He's so much faster than every other player on the field. He's a spectacle. Yes, that's why he's a superstar. I mean, look at Drew Breeze's son. He was so ready to meet him. And Lamar was star-struck to be around Breeze, too. He said, to be honest, I was kind of startled.

I was choking on my words. Like, Drew Breeze is talking to me. This man's the goat, but I was enjoying it. I've learned a lot of, I learned a lot watching him play. This is the one thing, cool thing about the Pro Bowl, though, is there's always like these nice family moments. It's great for the players. I've been to Pro Bowl in Hawaii when it was still in Hawaii with Jason a long, long time ago. It's really, I mean, it's a vacation that has a football game.

Yes, yeah, but I mean, fans do enjoy it because there are some cool, like, fan events. And if you're a fan of football and you want to get, like, up and close and personal with, you know, your favorite players, the Pro Bowl is a cool thing to go to because you're going to get some, one-on-one time with fans. They're really great with fans. Where is it this year? I believe it's in Orlando, isn't it? Orlando. Yeah. They should move it. Orlando one year, Vegas next. Hawaii. It would be cool to move it around. Yeah, I mean, they move the draft around.

It's been a home run. Yes. Draft. I mean, making it more accessible for fans in different parts of the country. I think it's great. Smart. But I thought that was really cute. So, Dolphins owner, Stephen Ross, is reportedly very interested in Joe Burrow, who isn't. And they'd like to make, they would have to make a trade, obviously, to secure

Burrow because they don't have the first overall pick. But GM Chris Greer says the team has more than enough ammo to move up. They do have plenty of picks. They have three first rounders, including the fifth overall, two second rounders and one in the third round. And the GM Chris Greer said we'd like to find the right guy to be the quarterback. You see how important it is around the league. So I wouldn't just say it's just Steve. It's Brian, myself, the coaching staff, scouts.

We think it's important that we find the right guy and the leader to be the quarterback here for a long time. Well, if you're going to move up and give all these picks up, And you better think that the quarterback you're moving up for is levels better than the next quarterback. You don't move up because I think two is the most talented. And then I think Burrow and Herbert's coin flip based on where they go. I don't think Herbert is anywhere near close to Joe Burrow. I think he had a great bowl game. But throughout the year, he was not as consistent as Burrow was.

I know everyone would like a bigger sample size on Burrow, but he just had the greatest statistical season playing against how many top five defenses and look at the teams that they beat this year. It's actually kind of unprecedented what they did. I know there are some doubters on Burrow still, but nobody has the medical on Tua yet. So there's a lot of, and Herbert has to play in the Senior Bowl this weekend.

Jalen Hertz has to play. So we still have to have the combine. So a lot could still shake out from this. You're very well right. They could see Burrow and everyone in the combine and say, you know what, it's not worth moving up, or we like this other guy better. But I do believe, I agree with you.

If you think this is the guy, go for it. And I actually wouldn't have a problem. if they really believe that. Finally, Eli Manning is obviously calling it a career. He's retiring after 16 seasons with the New York Giants. Two-time Super Bowl champ finishes his career with seventh all-time in passing yards and touchdowns. And current and former Giants players congratulated Eli and everything he's accomplished. Michael Strayhan, sweetly congratulations on an incredible career.

Always a great teammate and friend. Enjoy all the praise. You've earned it, my friend, now we can golf. Hashtag thank you, Eli. Golden Tate said 16 seasons. wish it wouldn't have been so short-lived. Number 10, no doubt in my mind. My man has lots more left in the tank,

but here's to be a great Hall of Fame career. I'll be waiting for Eli's call for beer pong. I'll bring the beers. I'll bring the beers. Mr. Deeds voice. You've seen Mr. Deeds. Yeah. And O.J. Anderson said a man among men,

an outstanding family man and a team player, a true class act on the field and off. Welcome to retirement, Eli. Meet the rest of us on the golf course soon. Clearly a big golfer, Eli. everyone's talking about being able to golf. You know, maybe I should start taking that up. I'm a tennis guy.

I'm actually surprised you're not a golfer. It's just, you seem like a golfer. Five hours. Tennis is, tennis is good, too. I played yesterday. An hour, I sweat, I had a beer, I took a nap. It was a good day. I tried to learn how to golf, but it's just such, it's such a commitment.

It's also obviously very expensive. Golf is expensive. But yeah, if you can golf, you can, you know, you can swing around in some other circles. Not everybody was interested in playing tennis. Yes. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. Feel better with MDrive. Everyday supplement. MDrive from N.com code herd 20% off. Zion was great last night, obviously, in a short burst in the fourth quarter. In the first half, kind of a dud, kind of quiet, didn't do much. But one of the things I saw with Zion that I like a lot, he's a burst guy.

I think what you're going to get was Zion. You're going to get these short, really impactful bursts where it's almost the incredible Hulk where he goes green and for four minutes, then he goes back to being, you know, normal guy. There'll be times, I think, in his career. I look at him as a body guy, a burst guy, and an energy guy. He'll get the arena ramp, the big dunk, the big slam, the big blog. Now, he and Westbrook are totally different players. That's also Westbrook's strength.

He is this burst guy and this relentless guy. The difference is last night. Zion was relentless, but also showed me you can pull him out. He's good. He's coachable. He can defer. I got multiple layers. 19-year-old kid had the self-awareness, okay, I'm going to go, Incredible Hulk.

I'm going to go burst. And I do think that will mark his career. You know, it's like Kobe could just kind of float, you know, float like a butterfly, sting like a B for 42 minutes. And, you know, you look up and Kobe's got 29 points. I think this is going to be a burst player. You're going to get these 8-0 runs and these 12-0 runs and these massive dunks and it lights the world up. But he also deferred last night and he also helped on screens and then he gave you a burst. This has been my knock on Westbrook.

He has no other gear. It's like in football. Sometimes you have to score, and sometimes we've got to lead to eight minutes left. I've got to eat the clock. Westbrook can't eat the clock. Westbrook has one gear. Rick Buecker came on yesterday, a Westbrook fan. And he says, you know, I thought after all these years, Westbrook would find the ability to play multiple speeds and multiple tempos and multiple levels.

And he just can't. He's not an efficient player. And I used to think that he was centric in. his game because physically he could just dominate people. You know, he wasn't going to wait for anybody. But he has tried the last year or two to be more of a facilitator. He's trying. He's trying.

And it's still not working. Maybe it's just because he's played one way for so long that he can't change that gear or maybe it's just not within his makeup to play that efficient, understanding when he should go get his and when he can create it for others. And yet Zion at 19 in his first NBA game showed me it. He could defer. He could step back. He could give you a burst.

He could give you energy. I think a big part of greatness is self-awareness. It's always my knock on mellow. But I saw it last night. Some self-awareness. Didn't complain when he came out. Minute restrictions. It's a real thing.

Sometimes in football you've got to eat the clock. Just going to run the football. Make it safe. Don't have to be spectacular. be less relentless. And I think Zion special. He is a really unique player. I cross my fingers on the injury stuff.

I think it's real. I think torque's going to be a problem. I don't deny that this thing could turn out really sad. I don't deny that at all. But what I saw last night was a layered player who does multiple things well, crash the board, shoot a three, put the ball down. Nice ability to see the floor as a bit. I liked everything I saw.

Coming up next, my 10 favorite Super Bowl moments, I'm off tomorrow as we head to Miami on Sunday. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. We're 10 days away from Super Bowl 54 in Miami, so I thought, Joy, you're from the Miami area. My favorite Super Bowl city has always been Miami. I thought I'd go back and I talk about these are my 10 favorite Super Bowl moments.

It doesn't mean they're the 10 greatest plays. These are the 10 moments. These are the goose bump moments for me. And I want to start with number 10. Number 10. First Super Bowl ever watched, 1972. Little Kid, Miami Dolphins, the better team. 14-0-0 lead.

Garo your premium's a kicker. They're trying to kick a field goal to seal it. It blocked. He tries to grab it and throw it. It's intercepted by Mike Bauer. Bass of the Redskins, who runs it in for a touchdown. They were my favorite team as a kid because at the time I thought Washington was Washington State.

I had no idea because I used to drive by the state capital in Olympia that looked like the White House on TV. So this was my first play as a kid, first Super Bowl I ever watched on a black and white TV in my basement in Grayland, Washington. Number nine. Whitney Houston National Anthem, Super Bowl 25 in Tampa, came out in a white track suit, red, white, and blue, sung the star-spangled banner. If you recall, there was tensions, military tensions in the world.

Her rendition was so popular, it went to the Billboard Top 100. She got the number 20. Here's a taste. My favorite ever, and that is the best national ever. Ever, like there's no second. We used to play it before our games on record. I'm getting emotional listening to that. It gives you goosebumps.

All right. Number eight. Forget David. Tyree, Eli Manning to Mario Manningham. Maybe the best throw I've ever seen in a Super Bowl. Giants trailed 3.46 to go. Look at this throw up the sideline. In a tiny little box, that is the best throw in Super Bowl history.

38-yard pass. Giants go on to score the winning touchdown with a minute left. Eli is the MVP. Clutch. I mean, that is as good a throw as you can make in the NFL. Number seven. Scott Norwood, Mrs. White. right. I bet $600 on the game at the time. It's the most I ever bet in a football game. I think I had

$700 to my name. It breaks my heart. Eight seconds left. Bill's Trail 2019. I was a huge Bill Parcells fan. And it was wide right. It makes me sick. But I can remember being at a casino called Ellis Island in Vegas and winning $600. And it might as well have been the Powerball lottery. Number six. The Saints surprise on sidekick. It's the guttiest call in the history. of the Super Bowl. Saints trailed at half. They trailed. They trailed at half to the very good Colts. They go for the onside kick. Thomas Morstedt executes it. It felt like it took 10 minutes to uncover the ball. The Saints got it, took their first lead in the game, outscored the Colts 25 to 7. It is the gutsyest call trailing at half. You're giving the ball to Peyton Manning

if it fails. It's one of the great calls of all time. Number five. John Riggins run to glory, fourth and one. Miami 43 yard line, fourth quarter. Don McNeil of the dolphins hit him. Riggins bounces off of it, is gone, ended up being the MVP.

Again, at this point in my life, I was a massive Washington fan. John Riggins was a whack-a-doo, but he was great. He went on to rush for 166 yards, the toughest guy in the league for about a decade to bring down. Number four. Philly Special, roll the tape, heartbreaking for Patriot fans.

Here it is. Here we go. This could decide the game. Fourth and gold. I had New England in that game. It's the best single play call ever in the Super Bowl. Even if they didn't convert it, I don't hate it. By the way, that thing has been copied 20 times.

I've seen that play run 20 times since then. Number three. San Antonio Holmes, game winning catch, Steelers, Trail. Less than a minute left against Spunky and talented Arizona and Kurt Warner. Here is Big Ben. Look at the accuracy of this throw. He didn't have to throw it far. Right up and in the corner to San Antonio Holmes.

Holmes won the Super Bowl MVP. Big Ben was still a baby at that time. Big Ben was still a kid at that time. That has just an incredible look at that. I mean, an amazing catch, but yeah. Look at this. Three, got it perfectly covered. Number two.

Julian and. Edelman's catch against Atlanta. I mean, it's just insane. I swear to God, even in slow-mo, this is Tom Brady. Dan Quinn challenged the call. It doesn't even make sense. First and 10, 23-yard pass

over the middle to Edelman. Pass was tipped. Robert Alford thought he intercepted it. Patriots would score four plays later to tie it and then win it in overtime. Look at this. Just look at that in slow. motion join. That's not even inches. That's like centimeters. Look at that. It doesn't

make any sense. I mean, that's what you train for. And finally, number one. The craziest play by my favorite Super Bowl because my favorite team and my favorite quarterbacks. Here we go. Russell in the pocket.

Russell for curse and that's broken up again and is it but somehow And he wound up with a football. I think Butler hit it and it fell right back down to the ground. Unbelievable. The reason I love this play, look at Tom Brady.

Okay, people remember that Malcolm Butler play. That game should have never come down to this. This is the most forgotten play in Super Bowl history. I think it's my favorite Super Bowl because I grew up in the Northwest. I lived in Connecticut. Oh, Michael. Look at Brady. You can't believe it.

It was in people that the game was over. Yeah. Because New England had a great defense. And Al Michaels, as good as anybody who's ever done play by play, it took him five, five ticks. They couldn't, they didn't know it was caught. You could even in replay. You're like, what? And then two plays later, you got the play that everybody talks about.

But I can remember that happening. And again, I was at no rooting interest. I just wanted a good game. And I thought to myself, Brady's going to lose to. David Tyree catch and he's going to lose. And that, yeah. And that, he's going to lose two Super Bowls and the Mario Manningham throw. So Brady would have lost Tyreek, David Tyree, Mario Manningham, and that catch.

My heart just broke for Brady. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. It turned out okay for him. It turned out. I'd have to put the Tyree catch on there, but yeah, this is a good list. And I would have to put the Prince Halftime Show. No, that was good. No doubt about that.

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