The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 425 | "Tea Leaves"

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

Talk to 'em.

Man, pull on the desk out, let's turn this on, man. Yeah, we're here. You're moving around timid in the cell. Chill out, chill out, chill out. The people have voiced their concerns. They never want to hear from you ever again. Savon, the Don. No, some people like Savon.

Yeah, they do. Some people like Savon. A lot of people really hate him. But I like that. I like when people hate somebody. Listen, anytime you put a new character on the sitcom, people are going to dislike it at first. You're feeding narratives. Stop new characters on the sitcom.

You get people nervous talking like that. Ice, they want you to clear your throat. They said your tone. The tone of your voice. You on your JDK shit? It's really. Raspy? Said it's not the most pleasurable of tones.

Oh. And my voice sounds just as luxurious as it always does. That's just mine. Mic check, mic check. Who ready to pot? Y'all good? Y'all good? Get a sip of water.

You good over there? Everybody good? Parts good? You rap? You good? All right, man. Let's have some fun then. Wow, this is fun music. Let's get let's have some fun then oh this is fun

music this is happy music for me this is happy music like thinking i was there oh it's funny man when i thought about starting the pod i was like oh i'm gonna miss the guys talking over the song but you did it yeah i'm gonna do it oh my god my people though mic check mic check one two one two you like me better before you knew my history. Before you knew who I was. That's when reaching our potential felt likely. Nobody liked me. Besides, see, if I stop being who I am, I'll stray toward who I might be.

But you gotta look inside each song. That's where I proved it was really inside all along. Bid all, so the privacy gone. Grab the pen, sit down, and write these wrongs. That's how I feel. That's how wrongs. That's how I feel. How do I open this bottle of water? Can I get the vocals high in this thing? Vocals up a little bit, please. We in the pod

today. We got a job to do. Up in the headphones for real. Let me set the vibe out here. New York is open. I want to shout out to everybody listening to us all over the world. The world, the world, the world. I want to shout out to the people listening in all the different countries all over the world. The world, the world, the world.

Wait a minute. Yeah. They know the bag I'm in when these beats come on. Some of y'all been here with me before. Some of you have not. That's the problem I keep bumping these beats come on Some of y'all been here with me before Some of you have not That's the problem I keep bumping into out here But it's cool You know what will happen if I say loop this up

Shout out to all the day ones out there We here to let's vibe for a minute I feel like a chip on my shoulders I feel like I'm losing my focus I feel like I'm losing my patience I feel like my thoughts in the basement Feel like, I feel like you're miseducated Feel like I don't wanna be bothered I feel like you may be the problem I feel like it ain in the basement feel like I feel like you're miseducated feel like I don't want to be bothered I feel like you may be the

problem I feel like it ain't no tomorrow fuck the world the world is ended I'm done pretending and fuck you if you get offended I feel whenever you're ready Kendrick whenever you're ready yeah yeah huh whenever you're ready now I don't expect everybody in here to feel this song the same I don't man just a groovy tune for some of y'all man The other shit on there fear Here is crazy. I'm cocking this back Cockiness bad boys. Sorry

Well, it's Kendrick anyway, so say whenever you're ready again, I Gotta feel this on a spiritual level right quick. Shout out to our sponsors. Single Lady. They still coming in, y'all. The lodge around the corner. Just give them some echo. You won't get the signal.

They won't do anything to help improve this thing. That's more interesting than me doing something. I need everybody to come gather round. Gather round. We're going to talk to them today. I tried to talk to them last time I was in the sea parks and Savon wouldn't let me. I'm done dealing with people's fears. I'm here today.

Hey, talk to them. I feel like a chip on my shoulders. I feel like I'm losing my focus. I feel like I'm losing my patience. I feel like my thoughts in the basement feel like I feel like you're on my shoulders I feel like I'm losing my focus I feel like I'm losing my patience I feel like my thoughts in the basement Feel like, I feel like you're miseducated Feel like I don't wanna be bothered I feel like you may be the problem I feel like it ain't no tomorrow Fuck the world, the world is ending I'm done pretending

And fuck you if you get offended I feel like friends been overrated I feel like the family been faking I feel like the feelings are changing Feel like my thought of compromise is jaded Feel like you wanna screw and that's how I made it Feel like I ain't feelin' you all Feel like removin' myself, no feelings involved I feel for you, I been in the field for you It's real for you, right? Shit, I feel like ain't nobody prayin' for me Now stop, let's do this for the homies, man Let's start this thing Let's do this for the homies that couldn't be here with us today

We still gotta hold it down in memory of I don't know how you open these new water bottles Wonder told me speak on it, I'ma speak on it, fuck it Let's do it for our guys Remember that, man Belly was good Remember that, right Shout out Rory, shout out mom

Yeah Wonder if God heard me pray when I was trying to repent Belly was good Shout out Rory, shout out mom Yeah Wonder if God heard me pray when I was trying to repent If he didn't, I know he heard my mother cry over rent Then you wonder why the mood inside this room is so tense No offense, but I don't really got nowhere to go vent Oh yeah, success is like a drug and I'm behind you on the scent Feel like I wasted all the money and the time that I spent Maybe the tears inside my eyes had a glamour effect

Shout out to everybody going outside, the weather's nice We getting back in our vibe, summer's approaching Can't go lying again, don't know why I pretend Big Vaxx energy Big Vaxx energy No word, congrats That shit is anxiety alleviating, I'm not gonna lie I can't wait

Get the vaccine I can't wait to go to the streets You're not vaccinated, right? One, one shot I can't wait. Back, uh, the vaccination. I can't wait to go to the streets. You're, you have, you're not vaccinated, right? One, one shot. Got it. So I got like a half a meter. Got it.

I get my first shot, uh, April 1st. Nice. Madara. Yep. Good for you guys, man. Oh, man. Man, this shit hit my heart. Wanted to shine so bad that I got left in the dark. Letting this rock.

Still love you. Can't help but see that kid in the park Run around the town looking for some shit we can start Any issue, I was right there with it I bought my dream house, but I've been having nightmares The game ugly, just tell me why you can't love me Or why the fuck you're ashamed of me, you can't judge me That's why I stay numb

And the smartest thing I ever did was play dumb Staying up nights till my day comes Old memories had me wishin' that we stayed young I'm a mess thinkin' less so I'm sayin' more I talk to God about you so I'm prayin' more That's why I smoke a hundred blunts straight Pops left, moms cry for a month straight Used to cry too Look how that works, huh? That's a lot of blunts He's goin' crazy He's goin' crazy Left moms cry for a month straight Used to cry till I'm down seven shows Superwoman, I guess if you ever need me

Look at all the shit that we made through The house in the air is empty Daddy, now I'm coming crazy for you You drop cool, so baby play it cool They don't acknowledge my accomplishments My oppa's just an optimist I'm coppin' shit but still I'm not convinced that this is opulence Hackin' proudly, fuck Pocahontas, write out her moccasins Killin' everything that I'm authorin' like an offering

Ten stitches with my limbs twitchin' You ever went through withdrawal to your skin itches? Screamin' fuck what you think, tears fallin' while I write a damn Please pour out a couple of drinks Sometimes I wish that I was up there with Jinx Rest in peace Jinx You wouldn't even care if I ever died So I wrote this for the tears that you never cry

Lullaby Lullaby What? I gotta do the drive I see, I see No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm in a round of applause. I need support and encouragement. Okay. I need to feel good in this moment. Microphone check. One, two.

What is this? The J.B.P. boys are not here. They're not here, man. What do you want me to do? My guys are not here, man. Rory is not here. Maul is not here, man. What do you want me to do? My guys are not here, man. Rory is not here. Maul is not here. However.

No, you're here. Got it. However, Parks is here. E-Rab is here. Ice is here. Corey is here. Savon is here. Alex is over there in the cut somewhere.

What episode is this? 425. Welcome to episode 425 of the Joe Budden Podcast. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, and highly favored host here with a few people that are cool, showed up to get the job done. We'll be that. Showed up when they've gotten a frantic call. Now, slow down now.

The people have casted their votes. You cleared your throat. Pause. Not so many of your takes. That's not a Joe thing. The people decided it. How did they do it? Yes. The people decided it. You can keep the good takes, just not the bad takes. Yeah, it was too much, so

we're going to regain some order here. Get this thing back to where it needs to be. I'm in Rory's seat where I've always wanted to be. Yeah. This does feel better. I'm not going to lie. The public, I said that. I know. And we're tinkering. We're tink feel better. I'm not going to lie. The public, I said that. I know. We're tinkering. We're tinkering today.

No, we are a multi-million dollar establishment. Enough of this. Enough tinkering. We're figuring it out. No, this is up. And it's stuck. But yeah, I like the seat. I like the seat. When Rory returns, he will have to return to this seat. I'm sorry.

Yeah. And I hope that Maul and myself don't fight over it. Wait, we got to put something there. Put something over there. Let's memorialize the seats. Listen, man. I don't have anything as cool as what Maul wears. I'm here for, and I don't dress as fly as him either.

But neither does anyone here. But we're here. We're here. So listen, man. anyone here but we're here we're here so listen man uh shout out to the app that powers us empowers us sponsors us tolerates us puts up with us and works with us the greatest app in the world cash app shout out to them uh while we're here subscribe to our patreon page whatever we talk about on this podcast we'll tell the truth about it on patreon and for me um that's leveling all the way up over there that's upping the frequency let's drop all tears every day all real shit headed over there so shout out to everybody over at patreon

people that fuck with us over at discord, Reddit, wherever you fuck with us, shout out to you and your respective space. So let's say that. And subscribe to the Patreon. Now, with that said, real talk time.

Let's get right into it. Let's have some fun. Let's do it. Well, first, how's everyone? I'm great, personally. Everyone's great? Amazing.

Amazing. I stood off the internet for a little bit. They scared you away? But I'm good. Bro, listen. I'm good. Listen. They was on your ass. No, I stood off the internet for a little bit. Yeah. They scared you away? But I'm good. Bro, listen. But I'm good. Listen.

They was on your ass. No, I got locked out because I was like going back at certain people. It wasn't my choice. You reacted? A little bit. You reacted all weekend, Ice. That's not reacting. You're clapping back.

You can't tag me and tag the Joe Budden pod page to complain because it goes to me. So it's like, the fuck are you doing here? Say, Vaughn, you're not supposed to reply to anything that you have emotions about. I don't have emotions about it. I thought it was funny. That's trolling, Joe. See? Yeah, that's part of the new age problem that exists.

It's not trolling. You niggas are soft and sensitive. Because you tagged me twice. They think they're talking to you. See, trolling is just like one of the words. They know what I mean. They don't know what trolling means. watching i'm watching the deadline it's got law and order that's not me that you're cursing out and if it was i wouldn't say nothing i wouldn't

say nothing i don't care like don't let these people don't let them live rent free don't let them live rent free listen man i don't know what happened i don't know what happened in the world of hip-hop i don't know what's going on don't know what happened in the world of hip-hop. I don't know what's going on. I know Ray and Ghost went back and forth. I saw a little bit of that. That was awesome. We'll get into it. The White Boys got right back to shooting.

We'll get into it. Yes, that happened. Yeah, they did. Rest in peace to anybody who lost their lives in this. This is a mess, and we'll get into all of that. But we have some business that we need to address first and foremost because the streets are in a frenzy.

The streets talk. Did you know they would be in a frenzy this way? Of course I knew. Absolutely. I think it was actually a little tamer than I expected. Way worse than what I saw. But the streets are in a frenzy. Yeah.

I take things, maybe certain things for granted. Certainly not this platform and this audience. And how just rabid they are with certain things. I get that. But, you know, last week was a tough, it was a tough pod. Well, the week before that, we've been working through things. Yeah. Right?

We've been working through things with right we've been working through things and what i'm here to do today in the absence of my guys is lean into transparency because that's just the only way i know how to do things so maybe some of the conversations that we've avoided having uh maybe we can have some of them today in a nice, respectful manner, of course. Right? So for me, this starts, it was rough, rough, rough, cool, and you look for an escape from work. And on the weekends, you know, my dad makes breakfast. Me and my cousins go over there.

Saturday morning, I head right over to my dad's, have some grits and eggs. It's a good breakfast. Yeah, some bacon, ham, some wild country shit. It was some good shit going on. That'sits and eggs. It's a good breakfast. It's some bacon, ham, it was some wild country shit. It was some good shit going on. That's a good breakfast. And they were lined up in the living room and the kitchen in all ears

waiting to hear about what happened to the podcast. Damn, Streets talked even at home. Streets got cold talking. He almost burnt the grits. Talk about not chill. I need to hear this. damn streets talked even he almost he almost birthed the grit talking about not chill I need to hear this I need to hear what's going on

I don't know my family to be that invested in podcast business so of course sometimes it starts with yo man I don't even be checking for the pod like that

but my one man who listens faithfully that's how it goes that's exactly how it goes. Always that one. He said and he got the scoop. Yeah. It's coming to its end. He's got theories.

Everyone's got theories. There's a lot of theories. But the one man that listens faithfully, he got the theories. But alright, so I didn't know that my whole family would be up in arms about this podcast stuff, but cool. I have an uncomfortable breakfast. And I leave. And as soon as I leave, the next spot I get to, I go to my homegirl.

I'll sit in the balcony, chill out, catch a vibe, just trying to keep it positive because there's a lot going on out there. And she says, yo, man, what the hell is going on with the pod? The fellas weren't there. Is it over? That's a lot of that. Did her man say something to her too? No, this is all her. And then I guess she had some friends too that inquired.

And then that was the course of my day and my weekend. And everywhere I went, my phone was ringing and people had questions about the pod. So I did what any normal, respectable human being would do. I went home and I locked myself in my closet. As to avoid having to answer some of these things. The last pod we came in here and I thought I was doing a solid by saying, yo, the guy's on vacation. Oh, come on. That brought nothing but more conspiracy. That don't work.

They said we're doing a rollout. Yo, everything is a rollout. Everything's a rollout. That would make sense. Yeah. But maybe we should roll with it. Let's roll something out. There you go. Wait, what did they say? They said it's a rollout. It's a rollout.

Roll something out. But y'all got something coming down the pipeline. Yeah. I have an issue with so many of these things. I don't even know where to begin with all of this. Okay. So this is where we begin. I'll eliminate some of the suspense because I either love or hate when a show or doc does that.

Rory and Maul are not here, but this is Rory's seat. This is not Ice's seat. Correct. And that is Maul's seat. And whenever they feel like returning to their seats, then they'll return to their seats. Then I can go back to work. And then what will happen is the same thing that happens

when your star players come back ice will go back to his job savon will go back to being voiceless in the corner just taking the time stamps and then everything is cool but i also really enjoyed uh us getting killed i enjoyed savon getting killed ice getting killed me getting killed because all i did was show up to work right all you did was show up when work right or you did was show up when i asked you to do me a favor yo do me a side i need you to call out for a minute i didn't even know what i was doing savon ain't ready for prime time like this like he's ready what you mean prime time no no no that's not true that's not true you should maybe be the opening act

not ready for prime time you thrust into this position with this huge audience. 10 o'clock slot, maybe. This huge audience that's accustomed to certain personalities, takes, delivers a certain way. It's not right. It's not fair. But, hey. Hey, sink or swim, buddy. No, I understand.

I get it. It's a show. It's a sitcom to me. Yeah, so these are these guys' seats. And I'll be honest with you guys. I love when podcasts go through this type of turmoil. I do. But I'm weird.

No objections. No. I love when podcasts go through this because it shapes things. It shapes character. Even two weeks ago, or how many weeks ago, I was saying to Rory here, yo, sometimes I love when a situation just presents itself so you can see your girl get in, see what she'll do in that moment. And he said to me, well, what do you mean? Give me an example. And I said, I can't think of one right now, but I'll get back to you.

Ta-da! This is exactly what I'm talking about. If you're asking me, and this is transparent talk here, I would have never envisioned anything like this happening. Oh, my God! What? Happens to the best of them, buddy. Yeah.

Rory and Moe are not here? They're talking? Are they the streets? Who knows? I don't know who the streets is. I'm just saying some of this stuff you can't plan for, you can't envision. All you can do is let the universe play out

and see the side of the fence that everyone stands on. So I start there. I start with I love when podcasts go through this because it builds character. One. Start with I love Rory and Maul as brothers. Samesies.

Savon and Ice is not trying to replace Rory and Maul either. Thank you. Like, that's the other thing. People kind of got it twisted. I guess it was such a sudden change

and they just saw the visual of, hey, he's in the stool and he's in Rory's chair. Like, that's not what it is either. Yeah,

no, I'm, listen, I ain't want to be here. I'm going to keep it a buck. Like, no. Listen, I ain't want to be here. I'm going to keep it a buck. They all know. I don't do podcasts. That's not my thing.

You're a pretty good podcaster. And there's a reason why Joe did not tell me what he needed me for until we were in the car on the way here. I believe that, too. No, I know for a fact now. Now it makes sense. Because he know if he'd have hit me and said, yo, I need you to do the podcast. I'm like, eh. Listen, bro.

Listen, sometimes you can't tell your friends what you need them for. I'm here to have honest friend talk today. Let's do it. Hey, sometimes you going to get your friends to take them back to the block because you got an issue with dude. You might not tell them all about dude resume.

He just ill. Just come. Yeah. We got to deal with the problem it's there yeah that's it so yeah no i appreciate that dang i forgot where i was at within this whole pod story oh y'all are not trying to replace small no at all not even a little bit what's the interesting thing about me and situations like this, especially when friendship is involved and I'm here for the friendship and

business talk, a truthful, honest one, by the way, sometimes in that everybody has to stay, take a step back and go to their respective corners. Everybody has to take a step back and go to their respective corners. And sometimes everyone's perspective on how to perspective and position.

On how to go about that and how it should be executed. Is extremely different. Two things that's true in the world. Everyone has a different perspective, one. And two, everybody has to be responsible for where they get it from. It all comes from different places, right? With me, I am a Swiss Army knife because I pull my information from many different places that the average person just going about the daily course of life maybe would not. If you want to have a talk about escort rates, I can. Look where you start.

Carry on. I'm sorry. It's important. I know. See, I'm laughed at, but it's something i take pride in like i take pride in understanding that i've been in music on a major i've had video games i didn't get paid for i've been part of a production company uh i've had a hit single i've had a label expect me to keep the lights on in the future. I've had people press me for a second album

when I was running around spending all my money from the first album. I've had business accountants that have robbed me. I've had business accountants that have tried to rob me. I've been independent. I've been in TV. I've been, you name it. Radio.

I've been in radio. I've experienced that. I've been in a group i've been by myself i've tried to be a youtube star at one point like my information comes from just a plethora of places right so when joe talks i don't really expect too many people to understand where i'm pulling shit from it don't make sense yesterday I went to try to buy some uh try to buy some furniture I was looking for some chairs and shit for this yeah I

mean you know yeah and I was getting in the car with Ian and Keeb gave gave soda day off right Keeb's getting in the driver's seat they both say where do you want to go? Where do you want to sit? I say, I'll take the back. Don't worry, I don't have a gun on me. They did what you just did. They both laughed. And I laughed too. I'm just laughing because we just had that conversation. I just asked them when we got in the car.

I laughed too. For totally different reasons. They laughed because that's laughable. Of course you don't have a gun in the car,e i laughed because i've been in that very situation where i was in a contract right with someone who said where do you want to sit you sit in the front don't worry i don't have a gun on me and it was somebody that might have had a gun on him that's why I laughed, our perspectives come just from different places, man, just from different places, let me address some of the fans' concerns, and let me speak for myself, right, because what I'm learning as I go about this podcast network business is, as I continue to ascend and as we continue to ascend as savon has expressed

to me on different occasions it's harder for people to talk to me could be no it's not could be stop with this stop with this trolling could be no i deal in certainty and facts it's not could be people are having a difficult time speaking to joe about things that's my reality no one else's and that doesn't mean anything until it does until you start hearing whispers in the street until you start hearing rumors from places that shouldn't have any rumors and even that don't mean nothing if you don't put any stock into that those type of things because i don't but that don't mean that other people are not we all got eyes and ears

well just that fast you've thrust me into a unique situation which i sit because i have to understand everyone's perspective but damn it's hard being the boss huh that sounds crazy that sounds crazy what i'm not that's not this didn't start with visions of boss and y'all know me so i don't run around saying things like that i meant being such a i don't take this platform for granted the audience for granted the fact that the audience travels with us for granted like i appreciate all of those things that's why i appreciate the fact that this is with friends or what we assume to be friends. I have experience going out there and trying to get true value for something or going to work with some people that I didn't necessarily enjoy

or going to work and have to kick and knock down doors to get information and then taking that to confirm it or disprove it to see what's real and what's not. It's a constant PTSD that people have to deal with. So that's not my position. My position is the opposite. My position is because I'm a creator, I always understand the position.

But you're the boss now. Things have changed for you. I'm sorry. And that's evolution, Joe. Yeah. That's a good thing. It's something that you're going to learn to deal with both internally and externally

okay that's great but that's still not joe's position joe's position is boy i know how shit feels i know how it feels from every corner of the club. I know how it feels, and I'm not speaking about Maul and Rory specifically. Now we're just kind of talking. But I know how it feels to not be searching for something and find something that you maybe didn't know existed and how to respond to that. People always call Joe a lunatic because I come on here and I look like a lunatic because there's a lot of behind the scenes things that occur.

And then I look fucking nuts. But I mean, when you get into the crux of it, when I screamed on Complex in here, I had a baby on the way. I had a kid coming. My thoughts were not just related to what was happening at work. It was, oh, shit. I might have to piece this together. How am I piecing this together? How am I paying these bills?

How am I buying diapers? How am I X, Y, Z? Like the way that I got to deduce might be different. It ain't just a work thing, right? So when you feeling things for me, you know, what's the courtesy, you know, what would be nice for my employer to care or my not my employer, my place of work to care. When I had all of my issues with complex. I was looking for them to care because I thought it was valuable. That's a courtesy that wasn't extended. said hey you having a baby thank you for your time joe's out of here i was home surprised that was a courtesy that just wasn't extended cool

spotify you come in here you beef with them they got what they people put a little press clip out that said hey man we offered them something significant it didn't work out man wish you the best thanks for your time because it's just business to them that's how it goes so that's my reaction when i see the fans attempt to split up something that was built so carefully over the years. Right? There's a Park's hive. There's a Rory hive. There's a Maul hive.

There might be a tiny, say, Vaughn hive. I think there's an Alex hive, too. I got a little something. There's hives around, and you don't want to cause confusion and division amongst the hives even with shit so i mean so i mean the best thing you could do is what i wished would have been uh uh granted for me when i was going through it is to just give time time give everybody time to chill get back to their respective corners figure out what they want to do how they want to go about doing it but truth be told and i said this in many of joe verses none of us are slaves to the audience none of us owe anybody else anything no one owes anybody anything like everybody has a choice in different matters

and some of us have to be responsible for that back to my unique position let me tell you a little bit about my guys who i love and i miss a little bit uh and i felt safe saying this about maul before i spoke to maul, and I did speak to Maul. Maul doesn't give a fuck about podcasting. Like, is that a shock to anybody? Maul's not a podcaster. He doesn't care about podcasting. He doesn't care about any of this shit that comes along with podcasting.

Maul is a man of principle. Yeah, that part's fair. I don't know if I would say he doesn't care about podcasts. I think he cares about this podcast. For sure. Well, he devoted his time to it. Yeah, maybe not podcasting as a whole. The landscape of the business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he cares about this podcast. He cares about this podcast, for sure. And what comes with it. Let me tell you something. That much is for sure. Now let's get back into uncomfortable conversations. Okay. People thought I was nuts when I wanted to leave Slaughterhouse.

It's not that I didn't care about Slaughterhouse. Or I didn't care about rap or I didn't care about the group. I didn't care enough to stay around and continue to deal with some of the stuff that was going on. So that's what I mean when I say more don't care about podcasting. It's more moral compass. It isn't the toughest to digest. It's, hey, is it fly or is it not? Simple as

that. Y'all been listening to Maul enough over the years to know that that is his position, I would assume, especially to Maul High. So if Maul bump into something on this podcast that he think ain't fly guess what hey you can have that I can't speak for Rory's position

I don't know even though I have spoke to Rory you gotta say this they be ready to attack I can't speak for that but as someone that's been on the other side of all this

I feel him I feel him. I feel him. When shit got to get right, it got to get right. When I was 35 years old, not story time, but I was trying to picture how shit would look in my 40s. And when I did a gut check, a reflection check, what I learned was my credit was bad. My license was suspended. my credit was bad my license was suspended my name was bad my my reputation was bad and just so many things were bad and if i didn't if i didn't want things to continue this way i would have to make some serious changes and then that's what happened you you make the necessary changes that you see fit.

But even in friendship, back to friendship and business, in those relationships, you still got to do a check every few years to make sure you're getting what you need from the relationship. Yeah, that's with everything. Personal relationships, business relationships, friendships, family relationships. Yeah, man. Friendships, family relationships. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, sometimes you outgrow things. You outgrow people. Hey, maybe some of the things that I wanted and that was suitable for me a few years ago are no longer suitable. But whose job is it to share that? Yours. And everyone is entitled to that. I don't joke when I come on here at the end of the pod

and say your life is a series of moments and moments past. I'm not in here just saying things. No, that's real. This has been a beautiful moment. If anything, we've made, if the run is over, we made podcast history. Absolutely. Two times over. Two times over.

Two times over. Yeah. For sure. That's something to celebrate if the run is over. If you're asking me, I don't think the run is over. I don't think so either. I think everybody's going to get right. Yes.

In the friendship, in the business. And then I think we all reconvene and come back here with some of the same information. These brothers are not here so I can only speak for myself. What's been happening for me is I've been sitting here growing a resentment toward my friends. I've been taking some of the, yo, it's a tremendous weight that comes with running the business and it's bills and you're fighting companies and corporations and DSPs and- Talent. It's talent, personality management with this network shit.

It's a lot. It's a lot going on. Yeah. And when you look to your friends for help, they can only really help you if they know what's going on and it becomes difficult if a lot of your friends are in the pool one pool or another, talent or business or whatever

it gets complicated because they have to protect their business self and be a good friend at the same time. How do you do that? I'll quote Rory on this, even though I don't necessarily take the same approach through lawyers and

management and, and, or third party in some, some manner, like mediation type of thing, some type of mediation. I've been doing business with you, Joe Budden, for a very long time, whether it's podcasting,

whether it's music, whether it's touring, which to me is a separate business. I don't come to you with business shit because we have to keep doing things. We have to do things. And you have professionals in place. I handle my own business, so I don't have a manager to handle that stuff, but I'm okay with that. I'm not saying that's the best option for everybody.

For me, it has worked pretty well in my career. But other people should probably have someone else talk to you or someone else, your professionals. But I want to broaden this. That's in any field. That's not here. Yeah. In any field, you should have your people that you trust, that protect you, that are invested in you.

Y'all should think tank. Yeah. Y'all should plan. Y'all should figure out different ways to strategize and execute things right that's not just specific to uh it's more specific to entertainment business it's tougher in podcasting parks i would believe because podcasting is such a new thing that too it's such a new business it's such a new phenomenon and we're still at the precipice of it i think there's probably still professionals lawyers managers or whatever that say what you get paid to sit around and talk like i don't

really understand this well yeah that's the thing is it intellectual property is it what is it well and that's back to my my unique position today listen i told dudes in 2021, I was going hard because I'm taking out everything 2020 did to us. I'm taking it out on 2021. So I'm going all the way hard, right? In that, one, I can no longer assume that everything is known amongst everyone. One, I can no longer assume that everything is known amongst everyone. And two, I keep finding myself in a position that I'm educating people on things that they may not be educated about. And they're using those things against me at some point in the future.

Not saying Rory and Maul, please don't speculate. Those are my guys. We've opened this up. But period. those are my guys we've opened this up yeah but period so now when you make the republican joe jokes well yeah it's kind of funny and it's appropriate because i mean now i gotta understand the other side of the coin yeah but i bumped into that that was a mistake i'm being clear with y'all because my dad always told me you could play the hand upside down. It's going to play the same way. You can see the cards. My plan is the same.

You try to stop it now. And that's my problem. I kind of have somewhat of an understanding of the corporation's position when Joe starts acting like a lunatic. And that's got to be hard. That's got to be hard. As someone who has been against the machine the whole time to now be the machine

right it ain't it's so much easier because I've been on the other side yo these seat that's Maul's seat

and that's Rory's seat whenever it pass that's still they seat whenever it work out yeah whenever the feelings cause they're fickle go by

and you kick it feelings are fickle they're not fickle no feelings are fickle yeah by and you kick it feelings are fickle they're not fickle no feelings are fickle yeah I just wanted to clarify feelings are fickle so when they go by these seats are beer

yeah it's not for me to go call Star and put him there and call Wano and put him there and fucking call anybody else and put him there

it's shit that's going on I get it you're extending like you said when you were going through the issues with it you're extending like you said when you were going through your issues with complex how they were like all right fuck it joe out of here you're not saying that i would never say that no i know you wouldn't i'm talking about for the listeners no you can never say that you're saying that listen whatever's happening is happening but

when this blows over these seats are right here. They ain't going nowhere. Yeah, you got to say that. But I mean, does it come with some caution because you've been that guy? Like, you know all that's at risk and all that's at stake when these things occur? Yeah, but it's your job to balance it. I called you. Now it is. I called you. I called Tavon.

I called Rory. I called Maul. I called everybody I think I needed to call. But, I mean, it's a real simple fight. Listen, I don't even want to scare the audience. It's a real simple fight. There's nothing going on. It's not even a fight.

Not really. I spoke to both of these guys it's not a money thing it's a miscommunication it can't be a money thing it's too much money to go around correct miscommunication

it's too much money to go around it'll never be a money thing it won't never be that with me right it's a pure miscommunication misunderstanding lack of information

to gain a proper understanding and it's PTSD and paranoia as it relates to, you know, we've all heard the horror stories of fucking business from your mouth directly, if nowhere else. So people have fears that there's shit happening maybe, or unclear if there's shit happening. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I turned into that guy. I know. And I would hope that I have

people around me that if for some strange reason I started turning into that guy, they would check me. For anybody that's confused, that's why Corey's with me. I don't talk to him. We don't

speak. He managed me, we didn't speak. We lived together, we didn't speak he managed me we didn't speak we lived together we didn't speak today we speak a lot more but that's uncomfortable for him hey but he's with me because he has a day one perspective when i came to him and music wasn't really turning out right and i'm like yo dog i, dawg, I'm going to talk to Marissa. I'm going to start a pod. We're going to get to talking. You go call FanDuel or somebody.

I don't fucking know. When no money was coming in at episode 90, I came to Corey and I said, yo, dawgs, I don't know what the fuck you got planned, but I am not going to continue doing this for no money what an idiot right but when you listen to that

continue to do it for no money for another two years and it worked oh my god it hit the fucking air horn right there we found an issue I know everybody's laughing and joking. We just unlocked a bevy of issues. Whoa. Some work that maybe we didn't know would work.

And now we got to figure out how it works. Well, that's probably another big part of it is, again, podcasting is a new space. We're all kind of figuring this shit out. What's it worth? What does it cost? That too. What's it worth and what does it cost that's who yeah see now back to where you get your perspective from again i've been the guy listen cory booked a whole tour one time right hated cory tory booked the cory booked a whole tour one time and i asked him to only show me the final number of what we would make after the 13 shows 14 shows and he showed me the number

and it looked low to me still now i didn't do the gut check at the time that my profile may have been lower than ever and my labels participation may have been lower than ever but this is the number and this is the tour you know what i did i went behind this nigga's back and called every manager i know blue williams kevin louse you name it yo dog Is he supposed to take his 20-whatever percent from my number or the total number? They all laugh me out the fucking off the phone. See, dog, this is the problem that managers bump into. You just get a little money, and now you don't want to pay nobody. Yes, Joe.

That happens. This is how managers get paid. Even for that? Not all for what you make. That happens for everybody. All for the total of what it costs. Hey, guess what? As somebody that has done business

with managers that didn't work, managers that were trying to make it work, and looking for a manager that could make it work, right? Ta-da! That's the job. That's the pot. Shit, it's tough.

Yeah. But when you bump into it, when you meet the guy who can funnel it in, any manager will tell you 20% of something that's bringing something in is a lot more

than 40% of something that's bringing in zero. Correct. Correct. I had to learn that is what I'm saying. Yeah. So now, when I bump into capable people. What is value?

I don't mind paying them. What is value? Because if you can create the value, you should get some of it. Right. That's what Rory does. That's what Maul does. That's what I do. That's what you do. That's what Ianul does that's what i do that's what

you do that's what ian does savon that's what we all we all create the value the problem that creators run into along the way is we never get our fair share of the pie so what we start doing is trying to cut out the pie yeah where we can. The problem when everything works is what? You guessed it. Ain't but so much cutting of the pie you can do. It's working now. You can see it. People visibly see it.

Remember I came on here, I was mad that Erickson had to get a raise? Be clear, it wasn't the biggest raise in the world. But it had to happen, right? He sold 10 more raises for anybody else to get paid that's a fact i can't keep assuming everybody knows that fucking alex you get a raise y'all make me go look at shit now i'm looking at what alex make that's what joe always say yeah because i've been on the other side you have experience playing with numbers seeing what

i ain't going to work for that i don't think it'll fuck what you're talking about i went hey good luck with that song buddy but yeah that's the position you find yourself in and all right let's real talk real quick it's maybe 15 of podcasters that get paid 10 i'm being generous maybe 10 i'm being generous at 15 very very yeah very generous give them the perspective of how many podcasts there are out there well we can google it's probably 3 000 born a day now like the number continues to increase but that's why the percentage is so low because the podcast that make it make it in the podcast that don't don't and believe me to the trained eye you can tell what podcasts are making money and which podcasts are not yeah right

absolutely look at this there are currently 850,000 active podcasts and over 30 million podcast episodes more than half of all u.s consumers above the age of 12 listen to podcast okay that's all you need to know that's crazy got it granted hey let's step even further than that because there's people running around putting mud on my name not rory and maul don't y'all think that i would never use the platform that they helped to build to say a negative utterance about them. It's not who Joe is. In friendship, you might get lost. You might lose sight of who people

are. Especially when friendship and business meet. At this level. Yeah. Torn with your friends. Here's a fun fact that Joe knows that I assume other people know, but I will no longer assume.

This podcast, we've won awards. We've been ranked number one. We've been ranked number two. We've been ranked 11. We're currently ranked 31, whatever the ranking is. Who cares? I know what rankings mean. It's like a Grammy.

who cares I know what rankings mean it's like a Grammy this podcast holds four expensive seats no think about it just chill out chill out let the room breathe let the room breathe get some air pour a drink do with that what you want

I can't be responsible for how everyone disseminates that processes that information are you kidding me a show that only four people to take up NBC would never they wouldn't

the talk the view the real the this the that the third shit got the bag for one person The talk, the view, the real, the this, the that, the third. Shit. Got the bag for one person, one person only. That's a lot of shit. Yeah. For four people.

I like it like that. I can't lessen anybody's contribution. That's four people to make the job or should make the job that much easier. now we gotta add erickson now we gotta add savon now we gotta add alex now we gotta add digital media people digital marketing gotta add lawyers you gotta add accountants gotta add the touring people insurance gotta add the insurance the server costs because our sound is so pristine because you refuse to compress the shit so that we pay less money. Like, those things. Those simple questions like, oh, why does shit sound so good? Joe know.

It costs. You know what it costs. Joe knows exactly why that sounds so good. And I know why they're not doing it. I have spent a lot of money out there. Who the fuck would want to carry that cost? I would never. But

that's where creators always need help. We create things out of nothing, but we always need somebody that will come and help us build a business out of it. Johnny and I had that discussion years ago, right, when he came up with this new way to package dog food it was brilliant and genius and something that i thought should have been handled long ago

just in thought right couldn't get he couldn't get it off the ground yeah it was the best idea in the world he couldn't get off the ground and then he came to me and said well who's more valuable the person that creates the idea the person that can get it off the ground and i said oh that's yeah hey now you gotta talk buddy i'm right i read an article about uh influencers uh getting underpaid um based on on race for the most part um oh it's bad it's bad it's bad you know, the men and women that are creating the dance are often people of color. And then the people that are disseminating the dance and making it pop are white people that are getting paid a billion times more, which is completely fucked up and unfair. I was talking to somebody about two weeks ago about the MLC, MLC.com. Not hip.

Yeah, I'm not sure about that one. MLC.com, right? And I'm not sure about that one MLC dot com right and I'm freestyling here what the hell is this it ain't that

it ain't that I'll find out what it is so don't quote me but whatever this is I'm talking about is

a company that focuses on all of the streaming revenue that does not count towards artists contracts yeah no exactly it's um i think i think it is mechanical licensing yeah yeah yeah the second one mechanical licensing collective yep so to the contracts that streaming had nothing to do with that have been collecting royalties and payments on streaming and for all of the artists worldwide who have never audited that money is too much and it's just sitting somewhere yeah and it's too much to even be

accounted for so now there's this where you can start to get into some of those things and they divvy it up if you're owed a check somewhere they get it to you i could probably make a phone call right now mechanical licensing is one of the there's i can't remember the other example there's only a few examples of jobs that are actually like uh in the fucking uh it's it's by law you have to get paid mechanical licenses is one of them and it's a guaranteed payment have to get paid mechanical licenses is one of them and it's a guaranteed payment regardless of what

the record sells you gotta give me my.9% off of what though like off of what number would it be do some research because I'm not gonna

remember anything I don't want to disseminate that information it don't matter the long and short of it is all of the money that should be allocated somewhere that artists are not claiming is sitting in a fund somewhere, just growing and collecting interest and not being paid out to anybody.

That's what's happening, right? Joe's belief is that the industry probably has a class action lawsuit headed their way in the next 10 years. They should. People like me and Parks are going to get together and say, wait a minute, I put out 30 albums. I never got no goddamn royalties on shit. I didn't collect on a lot of it. That stuff is still out there. See, that's what I'm saying.

If you could read the tea leaves, then you could read the tea leaves. And if you can't, then you can't. But if you can't, I'm saying if you could read the tea leaves then you could read the tea leaves and if you can't then you can't but if you can't I'm done explaining it to people if you don't understand how valuable ownership is and why it's valuable I can't explain it to you if you don't see all the different avenues in which you can collect if you don't see all the different ways that the economy is changing before our eyes i can't continue to explain it to you but just know that the current spirit of deals is what's going to continue to exist and evolve that swiss deal with timberland where they sold some shit and then gave everybody rights right gave everybody equity that's the spirit of a deal that's the reincarnation of what hove tried to do with title

uh over there when they did that really bad announcement that went out but that was the spirit of what he was trying to do in 2021 i'm clearing energy i need people around that get it this is not tomorrow we're in more i don't know just in general i need people yeah in general and somebody that's building the network right because building a network is what the tea leaves led me to i wasn't making an album with a rap saying let me build a network right they hate when you get on this by the way but i want to dispel some of that is uh he's got a couple youtube shows and that's a network i mean that's how you started network you know it's 2021 a funny thing about network is the reason i started my podcast that i hated joe called me and said yo listen i want to build a podcast network i want

you to start one name somebody else you to start one you to start one if y'all can pull in these amount of views a week we're gonna come together and it's gonna be under a network like so he had the network idea years ago yeah and the idea of my network is we're not gonna take it right no we ain't gonna take it done differently and when it's the whole premise of yo we're gonna get a bunch of people that understand get it and won't take no for an answer everybody will build their individual asset in a few years we'll all come together and see what those numbers are worth collectively i see what our numbers are worth as one individual podcast and no they haven't been enough to garner us what we want because they're still trying to include all of our rights.

I think that story looks different if you have five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten podcasts that are performing well. I play this hand upside down. You can see the play. That's Joe's play. And also performing well is relative, by the way, to the naysayers. Profitable. Yes. Profitable.

Hey, you make it. You own a percentage of it. You profit all the way to the to the naysayers profitable yes profitable hey you make it you own a percentage of it you profit all the way that's it the contract is legible readable understandable there's no tricks everybody get together do what they got to do and let's fight the system the correct way but if one person even one person don't get that or understand it or see the plan, then it don't work. And for me, podcasting is a long game. It is. It's not a short game. So is music for what it's worth.

No, I disagree with that. You can hit a short lick in music and be gone and be done. You cannot want nothing else to do with it. I got my lick publishing forever. That's it. Certain styles of music is a long game. Let me rephrase that but the problem in the music business today is the barrier for entry is really low you don't have to love it you don't have to be good at it you don't have to anything

you just have to be profitable and in podcasting it's the same but it's a little different they're snatching all these celebrities trying to make them podcasters. They're not podcasters. Yeah, correct. They're celebrities. Correct. The celebrities are coming in and they're skewing the market. They're taking lower

because it's probably less work. Who knows? But they're fucking it up for the everyday Joe out there. I used to say that and sound nuts. It was a joke on this podcast, me clowning Will Smith for like seven months. But I was just angry at Will Smith.

You're too big of a superstar to come over here finagling around. I'm trying to get a hundred million out here. You have several of those. I know. That's the same thing that happens with DJing and music in general, when a TV show celebrity or something gets into djing and they're not doing anything they have a playlist already set up maybe even with transitions and scratches that someone else did and there's hit and play anyway i digress don't digress i love

this hey even deeper than that this would this was joe's problem hey when i speak in third person but this was my problem when not problem, but a problem that I saw coming when all of the fine girls started taking the shorts to do hostings. Mm hmm. Joe was on the edge of his seat in a panic. My little $3,035 hosting paid the bills for a month. If you could go get the fine girl to come do it for fucking five grand, three grand, whatever. Oh, it's skewing the whole market.

And hey, I got to go do something. It's the OnlyFans fight with Bella Thorne. It's Spotify and everybody else's fight with Apple. Hey, man, why you get to take 30% of our shit I know what 30% is I need that

Apple's like fam we're the community we're we're we are we are the economy we created this this is the price

and they pay it get on the lay down and they pay it. Get on the lay down. And they pay it. Listen, man, I don't want to be on an hour long rant. We're at an hour now. I miss the guys. I love the guys. And hopefully the fans will allow time

for whatever is happening to actually happen. Like we're friends at the end of the day. And that's where the issue lie. Oh, that's what I was doing. I was trying to give the fans some of the issue because I'm leaning into transparency. Let me give them a little bit. Let me give them a little dose. Let me give them a little. Y'all nervous. They don't know where I'm at. They nervous

out. They don't know where this is headed. You wore all black. I knew what time it was. I've been wearing all black. Don't do that. I've been wearing all black. I've seen the energy. Listen, man. I can't speak for nobody else. When we record a pod, I go home and I listen to it. And I watch at least 90 minutes of it.

Of every pod. Now, I learned long ago, you can't crucify people for not being built like you if i didn't know that push your t-set right here not right here push your t-set it when we interviewed him yo man i can't expect everybody to be built like me we come from different different um places i am a lunatic with this stuff i obsess over it i stare at numbers i get a calculator i'm a dropout this is where i get to play with numbers i almost laugh at old joe who said hey i don't care about numbers well nigga you better numbers man right here hey by the time i was saying i don't care about numbers the artists were using advanced analytics to figure out the cities they should tour in.

Yeah. Based off the numbers. Know what I was doing? Yo, they fuck with me in Connecticut. Yo, in Boston, they give it up. They give it up when I hit the Middle East. Virginia should come out. Ooh, Virginia Beach. These new niggas run around with math and science. Hit the Middle East. Virginia should come out. Ooh.

Virginia Beach. These new niggas run around with math and science. Meanwhile, Milwaukee was just waiting for us. Oh, come on, Pittsburgh. Never showing up. Yo. I don't remember what I was saying. But at some point, analytics and numbers and all this shit. You were getting the transparency of why Rory and Will haven't been with us

Oh yeah yeah yeah so listen man I'm watching every episode I'm listening to every episode for the past six weeks I gotta be honest it's been rough hey and it may have been rough even before that but this is only my brain

they're not here so i'm just it's been hard there's been tension you speak to it what the fuck i keep talking you've been here visible and audible tension that some we we play around a lot we we joke on each other we you know we clown you you know being depressed music and all that kind of shit. But behind that may have been some serious shit. I got to make a face because I love documentation. Two years ago when I said a joke ain't a joke if we never get serious, that's the fuck I was talking about.

That. Words have meaning and power. Sure. Energy. Yeah, it travels. If we're going to do that in here. It transfers. Hey, guys.

This outfit has grown way bigger than sit here and joke on Joe. Well, we still got to cut some jokes on you. Sorry, man. You have to. You earned that. You earned that. You earned that. You earned that. But you got jokes on us, man.

You're missing it. You're missing it. I know what you're saying. Let's keep it all the way 100, though. At some point, you saying six weeks ago or two, three months ago, the fans started to notice. They did. Come on, man.

The fans started to notice. Come on. Yeah. And we coming in here with LARP I learned that word on some that phrase on some doc I watch we coming in here with live action role play

was it the QAnon doc? yes I learned that one too it was the QAnon doc you didn't watch the QAnon doc? no I didn't watch the QAnon, dawg. Fucking nerds. Fucking nerds. You didn't watch the QAnon, dawg? No, I didn't watch the QAnon.

Those racist fucks, they hate us. I don't even know who the fuck QAnon is. They're going to kill you. They're going to eradicate us. But I'm watching that and I heard that term.

Live action role play and I said, ding. That's your bag. That's what, no, it's not my bag. You move that mic away from me

for the last however long i feel like that's what we've been coming in here doing which is live action role play by now people know who maul is or assume to know who he is they assume to know who i am they assume to know who rory is and we come in here and we act under the guise of friendship but for us to be friends you got to continue to do things to maintain the friendship I agree so at some point if we stop talking if we don't talk at all because me and Maul maybe don't talk but well that's not true we talk but when the business talks start to outweigh the friendship talks there's a problem and that's where we've been for the last, because it's successful.

Everyone's busy. Everyone's busy. You go about your life. You're doing shit. You get into your interests and your passions. And you want to get away from work, you know? Yeah, but when your friends become work. No doubt.

No. I mean, I can't speak for y'all, but I wouldn't see this as work. A lot of people don't. But it is. Again, I don't sit in this seat often. But it is. Yeah.

But it is. I looked Rory in the eye and I said, yo, and this has nothing to do with podcasting. I said, yo, I have no idea what's going on with you and your house, your relationship status. I don't know anything that's going on in your life. And he said, well, why do you have to? your relationship status. I don't know anything that's going on in your life. And he said, well, why do you have to? I come up, I show up,

I do my job, I perform, and I go. I understand that. I get that if we're coworkers. But no. I understand that if we're coworkers. But no. But no. It's a fine line that we tried to hear. But no. I understand that if we coworkers. But no. But no.

It's a fine line that we tried to hear. But no. Yeah. I need to know what the fuck is going on with Parks so I know how to handle Parks. So I know how to treat Parks. So I know how to view him. And so I know how to covet and protect him as a friend. not to put me in a position where i'm coming in here and i gotta tiptoe around parks who may or might may or may not be a ticking fucking time bomb three years ago we all sat

and gave our assessment on who was a serial killer in the profile and who was not and y'all heard me i said rory's a serial killer i said in my assessment in my profile I have Rory as the one who will shoot any of us in the head if his day gets a little bit too disgruntled you gotta handle your friends with care you gotta have some type of profile on your people so you know what's going on with them

that can't get lost in the fact that we come here and show up and talk twice a week it can't I'm sorry at some point we to get to the friendship because that's where the business spawned from. And it can't ever get reversed. It can't ever get to we're friends because there's business. And speaking from my perspective only,

and like I told them all, I've made some mistakes. I'm not perfect. But when I see that happening I intervene I can't allow it I got to get on top of that so when six weeks in a row happened of Rory challenging me to a fight and his hands and me not being so comfortable in that because I don't necessarily play like that and I I'm listening back. And to me, I'm being expressive saying, yo, man, I don't play like that with my friends. And on the playback, I hear him say, yeah, but what if we're not friends? Whoa, I got to take a look at that.

That's for Joe to pause. That ain't for me to think that we in podcast showy, chuckyucky kaki kaka game time what if we not friends excuse me just gotta lean back just gotta lean back when that happens for however many weeks at some point you gotta intervene and say all right maybe something is deeper maybe something deeper is going on maybe there's a reason that he feel we're not friends or maybe there's a reason that he wants to fight or maybe there's a, and this is just on a surface level here, right? But when you notice that and you attempt to address it, things could get crazy. I attempt to do address it, man. I hit Rory and say, yo dog, do me a favor take a couple pods off chill out

sit on the side get yourself together gather your thoughts confer with confer with your people just chill i'm hearing rumblings people might be tired burnt out don't get the vision don't understand i don't know i don't know i don't know but whatever it is sit down for a little bit get yourself together, reconvene, see if this is what you want to do. I thought that that was a good thing to do for a multitude of reasons.

And I think Rory felt like that was a good idea too. I'm not speaking for him, he's not here, but I think he liked that idea. I feel like he expressed, he maybe didn't know why, he expressed being okay with it. All the reasons it was happening, but I think he watched, sorry R feel like he expressed he maybe didn't know why okay with it all the reasons it was happening but i think he watched you know i'm speaking you are bad rory but i think rory watched it and he was a little perturbed with some things

he saw too but that's not the end of the problem when you're in the business of managing personalities because now when i see ma, a man of principle, a man of honor, Maul's question is an honorable one. Yo, dog, what makes you think that you can tell Rory to not come in the fucking pod for a little bit?

Why are you the person that can tell Rory to sit home? That's the talk me and Maul had. And I got to be honest, it didn't go to grace. It did not. It did not. It did not.

Didn't go to grace. Yeah, I could have told you. You have a really good tendency of seeing an open wound and- Don't do that. Throwing an entire can of salt on it. Out of defense. No, that's Joe. That's Joe.

I don't know if that happened. It did. It did. I was there. I was there. I was there. Joe has a tendency. I think it's a defense mechanism mechanism but that's just what you do

you don't mince words you say what you feel and it might not be the best thing to say at that particular time when you're dealing with when you're dealing with people that you have relationships with what do you agree with

what's your take on this what's your stance on this well I know I have a fucked up viewpoint you have relationships with. I disagree. Well, what do you agree with? What's your take on this? What's your stance on this? Well, I know I have a fucked up viewpoint. It's true. So you should shut the fuck up. But I want to hear it. I have a fucked up viewpoint.

And Marla's somebody that I've been knowing for a very long time. We all have here. And obviously, we know how Joe communicates. So I don't take any of it. Me either. Personal. I don't take any of it. Me either. Personal. I don't take any of it. But you can't tell someone else to not. But what I do know is that

if we have over a decade long relationship, business, friendship, listen, me and Joe have had crazy conversations. I'm sure. So have me and Joe. On air sometimes. Right. We have not had a crazy conversations. I'm sure. So have me and Joe. Right. On air sometimes. Right. We have not had a crazy conversation.

No, we had a editing conversation on air that... Yeah. Right. We did? Yeah, we did. It was on Patreon. Patreon.

I don't remember that. It was on the Patreon. Yeah. When he was fighting for a raise. Yeah. I wasn't fighting for a raise. Park was fighting for a raise? No.

You was like, hey, I'm fighting a raise for a raise for Parks. I need a raise for Parks? That was the conversation. You can go back and listen. But I always need a raise for Parks? That was the conversation. You can go back and listen. But I always need a raise for Parks. Y'all, I don't think y'all understand.

I need a raise for everybody. I need a raise for everybody that comes in here and that has contributed and that's here for the long haul and helped to build this thing into what it is. And to be clear, again, for those that are listening, Rory and Maul's stance has not been financial.

In their beef. At least outwardly. Maybe there's some hints of that in what their beef is. Who knows what their beef is? It ain't a beef. Nobody's communicated a beef. What they have communicated is something is wrong. Whether that be in our friendship, how we're handling each other,

how we're caring for each other, speaking to each other, the respect level. Yo, fam, I've been in relationships where I felt like the response, once the respect level is gone, kaput.

Yeah. Once your view of that person or the situation is not the same, it's done. I've been in relationships where, yo, I'm the fucking boss and I'm the man everywhere I go in my life except for when I get back home. It's only you that views me as this trash piece of shit scum. That doesn't feel good. I've been in relationships where I was getting my feel-good sources from outside of the relationship. Sure.

Like, all of this shit is like relationship management. It is. And again, you're men. You're men. You're not talking all the time. Yeah. Men are bad communicators. Men are fucking terrible.

We're idiots, man. Terrible. We're terrible. We're idiots. And then we just go all the time. Yeah, we go. We haven't really had a moment to do anything, to really talk on that aspect, because the turnaround is so quick.

That's true, too. You know, we came off the tour, then we got hit with a pandemic, and now we're scrambling on how to give the best content from home. While everybody else is down, we still going. Yeah. And then we come back, Parks moves. It's been a whole moving train that has not stopped. Yeah, bro, it gets COVID,

I get COVID, man, it gets COVID. The network, Spotify. Spotify leaves. It's a lot going on. No watches. That is a deal. What's my right to this?

Still don't have a watch. What's happening? Yeah. A lot of room and holes for miscommunication for just not being on the same page collectively. Well, this is why Joe's number one thing to start a podcast is friendship,

chemistry, camaraderie. For sure. Because you're going to go through some things that if you're not cool with somebody, fuck you. Fuck you, nigga. That's my position on it. Right. Well, that's not true, man.

Listen, I called Maul before this podcast cause I wanna hear from Maul and Rory on the pod I called up Maul I said listen Duke if you never do this podcast again we gotta talk hey let me get out of my stubborn shit

cause we both men of principle if this podcast shoot to shit fuck these fans nigga not fuck y'all. We love y'all. But it ain't about them. We are friends. We got to talk. He totally agreed.

As I assume a man of principle would. Wall's a reasonable man. As is Rory. Rory and I spoke. Listen, allow time, Grace. Let everybody go get together and figure this shit out. But I just felt the fans were owed an explanation. Listen, Rory and Maul, they may have felt a way about something,

so they upped and made a move. I've been there before. I'm the guy to champion that. I'm never going to be against that, even if it's against me. Right. Like, I pulled that move too many times to not understand it. I get it. And grace should be allowed.

One. Two. While I'm having transparent conversation, I'm certain that male ego is a conversation piece in here somewhere. Oh, yeah, of course. It's a room full of testosterone. Yeah. I want to hear you talk about some shit. I want to hear.

I'm done. Yeah, I'm done talking. You're another day one. Yeah, yeah. You're here. It's ego. There's some of that involved for sure. I can speak to the ego part.

Listen. From Joe's perspective, only talking about ego not saying that ego is a problem but I think that men should be able to it sucks that I have to preface everything I say but male ego should be spoken about let's deal with the dynamic that exists

I'm a retired rapper these niggas almost forced me to a verse whom Maul,ory you sin shade room say von like i have my shots i have my shots that i want to. It's some shit that you can't say in words that you can say in a rap that makes things okay. Yeah, that's true. And Joe has always ever just used rap to live and be expressive. Right.

If I wrote a rap right now, I almost called you Saturday. But I know the power that that wields. What's the word? Wields. Wields. You can't just get to talking and talking until you can. You can't do that, man. wields. What's the word? Wields. You can't just get to talking and talking until you can. You can't do that, man. This shit's important.

But back to male ego. Everyone has an ego. I come from a place where I am confident. We're all confident. But why? We're good at what we do. Well, that's where you get into it. That's where you get into it. I'm good at what we do well that's where you get into it that's where you're gonna do it

and the shit's work i'm good at what i do that's what i say you are let me tell you something i think i was one of the best rappers to ever grace a microphone ever i think you would have a hard time finding 100 rappers number three they'll fuck you up they you i think you would find you would be hard-pressed to find a hundred rappers that rap better than joe that's my own opinion right but that don't mean nothing because we all mean nothing i'm not entitled to anything if somebody wanted to make an argument against that they could they could you didn't sell records you ain't got awards you ain't bad whatever you say i would understand it yeah but they they did a divide awards after i won it it's fucked up so i understand it right however my some of my confidence comes from i have successfully successfully built like nine shows hey if i'm over exaggerating let's say six

when i walk in certain places it's not because i was the best rapper it's because i built a show at revolt and it changed the spirit of business at revolt as a whole as a company i built everyday struggle with complex and it changed the spirit of business at Revolt as a whole, as a company. I built Everyday Struggle with Complex, and it changed the spirit of business. I think these gentlemen think the same way. The company. I think these gentlemen think the same way. Well, that's what I'm getting into. Yeah.

And that's why you have to talk through ego. Mm-hmm. That's where a lot of Joe ego come from. My ego come from, yo, I build shit and it goes and it changes business for companies, right? So when I walk in, you will respect me as such

or I will leave. Some people take it as ego. Take it how you want. Cool. It's knowing your worth. I won't speak for Maul because he's not here. But I can guess

that Maul probably feels like, hey, I hear you, dogs. Shit wasn't like this before I got here. Yo, that shit fly, whatever you saying. But this shit wasn't so fly before I was here. I remember what was going on before I got here.

He was here. He has a right to voice that opinion. And he's not wrong in that. He's right. Yeah before I got here. He was there. Yep. He has a right to voice that opinion. And he's not wrong in that. He's right. Yeah. I get that. Yeah. I watched Rory and his little friends

make all y'all niggas drink at one o'clock in the afternoon. Good times. What a talent. What a talent. Hey, I don't care.

The Barclays was the end of the run, but the fun times were in the beginning. Yeah. If y'all don't get it. The Barclays. Hey, who? I don't even care if the business don't work there. The business might not work. When you start doing numbers, it might not be the most profitable thing.

I don't know. I wasn't involved, but I know that helps create an ego sure absolutely right let's leave all those three things there i'll pull from my experience when you have a right to ego some people have ego and it's not warranted when you have a right to ego, you'll fuck girls. Okay. All right, all right. I'm trying to... Y'all don't hear me. Y'all don't hear me.

Y'all don't hear me. Listen to what I'm saying. Y'all don't really hear me, though. Bring it home. Girls like ego, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Women like ego, maybe. Women like stability. Women like ego, maybe. Women like stability.

Women like comfort. Women like protection. Women like having their worries alleviated so they can get into whatever their women duties are, whether that be their passions, hobbies, domesticated shit. Women like when a man can provide and protect and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So women normally like due to have a reason to have some ego. Sure. Okay.

They don't realize that adds to the ego. You fine as hell. What? Helps. I assume assuming everyone is fucking bad bitches now I know what it comes with I know how I feel when I walk in the strip club

and my bitch badder than the bitches there talk to him Joe don't talk to me no you talk to him my bitch too bad for me to talk to him Joe don't talk to me no you talk to him my bitch too bad for me to talk to him what comes with that when the girl is bad

and the business is right enough for your ego to be in a place comes talking and whispers comes admirers competitors and enemies coming to you saying oh no trying to get like you I'm trying to be

like you I know you got them doors to different rooms start opening Rory proposed at the Roc Nation brunch I didn't I proposed at the Beacon Theater somewhere, but even that is some kind of fly. I proposed at the Beacon Theater in Times Square. That's cute. I proposed at a Colombian restaurant in Elmhurst or something.

Hey. But that was fly to me. It was fly to her, most importantly. I proposed when I didn't think it would work, when we had a season finale to film. I proposed when I thought it would work, and maybe it wouldn't have worked at all if I was really looking at things. Where do you get your perspective from?

I've gone to court for child support. I've gone to court for allegations. I've gone to court as a defendant. I've gone to court as a prosecutor. I've gone to court as a prosecutor. I've gone to court for a civil suit. I've gone to court. Seeking civil remedies. I'm just saying.

We're on both sides. Where do you pull your shit from? I understand, man. I understand. Is there anything that I'm missing in any of this ego stuff? You get money. You get girls. You get arrogant.

Certain shit is beneath you. It's unacceptable now. Things change. Friends change. Groups change. Clubs change. Sceneries change. Everything changes.

Access changes. Everything changes. Listen, if I'm just freestyling off the top of the head, I don't know that Mo and Rory don't know that fucking I'm not funding my whole network based off their blood, sweat, and tears. That's not something to get angry at. That's something to look at. That's something to assess.

That's something to say, whoa, that's valid. that's something to assess that's something to say whoa that's valid i'm saying that as the guy who worked places and had to kick in doors to get some information about what was going on oh shit that's what's happening over there yeah man if i felt like somebody somewhere was funding a network off of my back and i'm not getting paid from the network guess what buddy i'm coming in with an issue right Hey, they keep seeing Corey pop up. How do I know that they don't know that Corey ain't on the payroll? I don't know. They might think Corey's getting paid.

I did. Huh? I said I did. I thought so for sure when I saw Corey. Why? Just because it changed. He's always been there. Even if he ain't there, he's there. Dill ain't here right now. He's still there. It's people around. But that's where you start getting into the smack it's the the smack in the face of some things like i know what's going on in the state of the country i know what everyday americans are going

through trying to feed their families i know the work that has to be put in to receive certain benefits and accolades shit i know what these companies are asking for when they offer all these millions they're asking for rights and joe's always just fighting for rights so i mean i have a clear understanding of what's going on everybody in whatever their situation is has to have a clear understanding of what's going on to lend their participation right correct period the end nothing more to be said about it and that's where we land i gave you 90 minutes of what's going on some of the more intricate details hopefully i didn't offend or disrespect anybody they say that's the thing with me. I don't know. It didn't come across that way.

I think you did pretty good. Hopefully not. Listen, man. All Joe is ever saying is, listen, I want to compete, number one. And I want to compete with my friends. I don't want to compete with people that's just willing to come in here because this is

a multi-million dollar business. I've never been interested in doing music or anything otherwise with people that I'm not, I don't fuck with. It's not fun. Why am I doing it? I don't do that for that. You celebrate. I don't do music because of anything.

I do it because of the personal interaction with me and the people I work with. And the same with podcasting. Well, you celebrate with the people that were there when you never imagined things would be like this. Right. And you celebrate with people that you have a like minded goal in mind with because, you know, all it takes to get to whatever that goal is. And this shit takes a lot, man. Like I told you all these last few weeks, I'm no longer coming in here trying to be number one. I'm trying to get it.

Make sure everybody's OK. coming in here trying to be number one i'm trying to get it make sure everybody's okay i'm trying to make sure everybody's profitable valuable and everybody has enough to feel good about what they're doing coming in here on a day-to-day and so you understand it understand it don't just look at joe and say he's a lunatic like know what we up against know what we fighting know what they charging listen i've been home all weekend, man, do y'all think that I come in here and scream at the DSPs and YouTube and everybody else and that stuff don't come with a cost? It comes at a price. Maybe a price that others are not willing to bear. Or they're not aware of.

Or they're not aware of. But it comes at a price it's a price that i willingly pay for like i'm cool with that i had to come out of my pocket to pay spotify when we went on tour think about it for a minute we went on. I've been a little bit aware of that. We went on a million dollar tour. If you add dates, a multi-million dollar tour. And because of whatever agreement existed, I had to pay a portion of it to Spotify. Because they thought that they played a part in why we were able to sell out tours. Even though you were selling out tours prior to Spotify.

Yeah. That don't matter. Guess what? That's cold. That's the game. That's the game. The business game is wild. Listen, I've done love and hip hop when my profile was all the way low and the business

was bad. I've done love and hip hop when my profile was all the way up and the business was great. In both instances, I went through some shit when the business was bad and we wasn't getting paid I couldn't believe that I was doing Burlington Coat Factory commercials

I didn't even know I could do that love and hip hop said we have the rights to everything and we put you where we want we own this we'll repurpose it hey when they started

showing reunions every year like embarrassing footage i was ashamed of i was like hey man stop that and they said no they said look at the contract yeah we own all this we have the right to this we're putting it out every year like clockwork people watch this shit hey when my business was right and my profile was right loving hip-hop called back like they've been calling back hey we want you and your partner i went to my partner i said yo loving hip-hop want us for this number i think it's pennies and i think we could do it ourselves and make money go get a deal we tv TV anywhere. My partner said, eh, that's not so appealing to me. I don't want to do anything myself.

That system exists. We could be inserted there and be paid immediately. Well, yeah, we could. But you're giving up a lot. Boy, does it come at a cost. I can't be in a predicament where I'm explaining that to anybody. Yeah. Not my significant other, not my son's mothers, not my parents.

Not the fans. Not the fans, not my co-hosts, not my coworkers, not managers, not companies. If you go ask around, Joe, draw a hard line out there. Hey, everybody want the podcast joe say no do your googles the word is out on how joe give it up it's a lot it's a lot because i know what it takes for everybody involved to become millionaires two times three times over it's expensive hey it's like that shit that Russ and a few other rappers, Brent Fires,

a few people put out, what a million dollars looks like when you're a rapper. It's the very same thing. Do the math. A million dollars, you take away X, you take away X, you take away X, you take away X, it turns into 400 grand.

Now you got to get a car and some jewelry and a better crib and now you're left with 50 grand and now go Instagram make it look good well we done in that we not in that business we not in that business of making things look good for the people that don't mean anything to anything

I come in here same watch hey at the time that I fought for this watch and saved to buy this watch and had to get a proposal turned down to take the ring money and go get this watch. This was the watch I wanted. This was the watch that I might have been wearing the fake of. This is the watch that cost $50,000. And how on earth would I ever get $50,000 to pay for a watch? Today I can go buy any watch, but guess what?

My brain is so different today. If anybody's looking to see where Joe's money is out there, it's in the streets. If you're searching and you're confused, if you think I'm broke, if you think I'm rich, what's he doing? What's going on? What's the plan every dime of mine drug game y'all is back in the street it's back in potting the shit is expensive mandy bridget fucking karen fucking stock over here roy said whoever the fuck we talking to potting is expensive no need for me to come in here with a bunch of jewelry

on the science behind it is same as drugs same as drugs let's put me back in the hood back in the hood and I got the best drugs on the block flip it off nobody in this whole hood has better drugs

than Joe. Well, what do you do when you get to the top of the food chain? Like, if I have the best drugs on the block and this is all the money that it's bringing to me,

then what the fuck good does this do? I have to find a way to expand. That's right. You reinvest in yourself to expand. That's why people get to stepping on drugs.

Joe always look at, hey, when people at the top of the food chain, what's happening? Just the way I'm sure podcasters are looking at us. They're at the top of the food chain. What's going on with them? When I spoke to him, we was on Slaughterhouse. I was miserable talking to him. He was at the top of the food chain. Let me get some information.

And talking to him, that shit sounded miserable. I tell that story all the time. You sell all the records in the world you're a hostage in your house you can't go nowhere it costs 10 million dollars to travel you don't know who to trust you don't have people you don't have bitches you have nobody you can just rhyme words i ain't working so hard to get to the top and that happened no no that's not going like that. So listen, man, allow grace, allow space for our brothers who are not here, who will be here. Joe says maybe in a matter of a month. I think it'll take about a month for things to get right where they need to be. Joe looks for the blessing and the optimism and things i think that when my brothers return

this thing will be better than it's ever been then i'm back to talking my shit back to saying you podcasters have a problem i'm back to all of that but for right now it's about preserving friendships not preserving business not preserving podcasts not preserving audience it's making sure the people that you built this thing with are okay and that they have enough information and understanding enough and enough respect from you to get some things to decide if they want to continue. It's what women always say. Yo, man, if you want to cheat, if you want to fuck girls, go ahead and fuck them, but come give me the option.

And we always say, well, what sense does that make? Why the hell would we do that? Right. But that's where we land man did I do a good job did I overshare no you did great I think you did

are people feeling Rory Ball we love you you know we love you guys man we're holding it y'all still my guys I am not trying to

replace nobody we're holding it down until you get back until you get right I'm just the show must go on is there for a reason that's it

we're gonna still deliver yeah because then if you don't put something out yeah right imagine why y'all trying to figure this

whole situation out and then your stock drops and it's just dark right now y'all might get killed even more or you might lose the audience regardless

but when you do this at least like you said you give them the option well I had a few people saying saying and tweeting yo dawg Well, you might lose the audience regardless. Exactly. But when you do this, at least, like you said, you give them the option. Well, I had a few people saying and tweeting, yo, dog, if the fellas take off, do yourself a favor and take off too. Just give us a break. No. You definitely can't do that.

It don't work like that. That's not my position. That's not where I stand. That's not what I want to do. It has to continue now has to it will continue differently and it will never be the same as when the guys were here but that's what makes it magic or are here you know yeah but that's what makes it magic they'll be back yeah yeah uh but that's what makes it magic when a certain collective of people

can put something out that's just a little different that's just a little different so listen as fans of the pod some of y'all are day ones y'all only have to bear with it being different

until we allow our guys the time, grace, and space to get right get their headspace right so they can come back in here and do what they do but until then stop hitting me asking me where the fuck Mo here and do what they do. But until then, stop hitting me, asking me where the fuck Moe and Rory is.

They chilling. It's none of your business. Go ask them where they at. They'll tell you, yo, we chilling. Everything is cool. Let us get it together. The end. What'd you think?

You're going to be in business with somebody for six, seven years and not go through this? That's it. Yeah, man. Everybody chill out, man. Got the squad nervous. Y'all nervous. The girls nervous.

My dad is nervous. There's going to be a point where y'all looking back on this and yo, remember we had the bullshit? He's going to laugh over it. We're going to laugh. So this too going past. Fans, y'all looking back on this and, yo, remember we had the bullshit? He's going to laugh over it. Yeah. We're going to laugh. So this too going past. Fans, y'all will be cool.

Everybody's going to be straight, man. Just get a fellow some time. That's it. That's it. Now, Raekwon Ghostface. Hey, man, give me some verbal discourse. We back. We back.

Right into the verses. Right into the verses. All right. what we got? Ray Kwon, what was this? Saturday, right? Saturday night. Saturday night on Triller. First one on Triller. Yo, check it out.

I accidentally saw this on Instagram. I didn't even know what was happening. Man, I don't need a DJ. I'm sorry, Del. Y'all ask what I'm playing in, man. I got parts get his shit up, alright? This is culture. To me. I know, I know. This is you. I thought about, I saw this, like I said, I didn't even know what was happening.

I accidentally, I'm on Instagram. I said, Versus is live? I clicked and I seen these two. I said, oh didn't even know it was happening. I accidentally, I'm on Instagram, I said, Versus is live? I clicked and I seen these two. I said, oh, okay. Parks. And be clear, I don't give a fuck about the playlist. Really, I mean, I do because I love all these songs for the most part. I don't give a fuck about the battle aspect.

Right. I could sit and listen to Ghost and Ray talk shit over soul samples for like six hours straight and not have no problem. It'd be good. Everything sounded like the interludes off purple tape. They were like holding two different conversations at the same time and it wasn't weird.

That shit was incredible. Record for record because it is a versus. It is a versus. So I want to ask you, who would you say won? I'm going to say this is my favorite rapper, but it was close, man. It was close. It was a lot. I didn't, you, who would you say won? Ghostface is my favorite rapper, but it was close, man.

It was close. I didn't give Ray enough credit, man. I did not give Ray Kwan enough credit. I thought Ghost was just going to smoke his boobs. Woo Fan, this is your shit, but you thought seeing the two of them that... Ghostface has a way bigger solo discography.

Way bigger and way more commercial success. Way more fucking different... He did R&B records. He did grungy hip-hop records. He did rock live band records. Yeah, I'm not saying they never rock. Wasn't he with a rock group? They did some rock shit.

Damn, I can't remember the name of the group right now. I don't mean to... No disrespect to them. But he did a whole band record. So I was like, Ghostface got to win this. Raekwon has a couple solo albums maybe three or four maybe five i don't want disrespect ray's solo catalog but ghost has like 10 and he had major labels behind him the whole time everything he's got neo records kanye records everything right right so i thought ghost is gonna

just run away but it was it was pretty close for the most part, man, from a battle perspective. But like I said, that was not even the point. The point was just seeing them sit there and kick it and kick all that fly shit that they kicked together. You was in heaven. Oh, man. But it wasn't even just me. My girl was 26 years old she don't know shit about wu-tang and she was sitting there like i like these guys man she was sitting there like

she was like i like these guys they're fun because like even at the end when they started doing like they're just playing classic uh soul records you know whatever the old rappers are fun man they're fun like when they get past all of the, whatever we viewed them as the older rappers are fun. It was good to see Ray and ghost at this age for me. Yeah. One thing about Ray and ghost is they always maintain their, their cool.

Like, like even now, you know, they, they, they don't have sucker moments where they looked crazy and yo, these things look like they bugging. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no moments where they look crazy and, yo, these things look like they's bugging. They always look cool.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No? No. And I meant to say this last week, but I didn't because it was more pertinent things to get to. But they so cool, right, that when they try to create the moment, to me, it looks corny. I don't think they tried to do that at all. Yeah, I don't know. When did they try to do that

last week no no no last week oh the lead up yeah okay then that's fine I'm not dissing that was versus

telling them to do some shit for me I know but I'm an old dude so it's hilarious I know that that's versus that told y'all to do that y'all are friends but what it comes off is

as what it comes off is is what it came off as which was Ghost saying yo you know I'm bringing my sharpest knife for you is as what it comes off is, is what it came off as, which was Ghost saying, yo, you know, I'm bringing my sharpest knife for you. And then Ghost said,

you know, I mean, Ray said I got something deadly for you when you do that. Like it was, y'all love each other. No, no, no, you can't do that. No, because listen, you were in, you were in,

I liked it. You were in Slaughterhouse. I was there in those conversations. I'm going to take your head off on this shit. Like y'all did that shit. So when they were describing that part of the verses, they're like, yo,

we had nine MCs with us plus other people. No, no, no. We were competitive the whole time. You're absolutely right. But back to your Slaughterhouse example. Yeah.

If, if 30 years went by and then me and Royce got on the phone and did that, I would expect the new kids to laugh at us a little bit. Nah. Nah. Look at this guy. Nah, I got to disagree with that. Nah, I'm still coming to take your head off. I don't care that we fucking brothers.

Yeah, we can. They love each other. Yeah. Right. You never thought they were coming to take each other's heads off. But they were. No, they weren't. Yes, they were.

Oh, please. Yes, they were. Oh, please. Yes, they were. They're competitive. They're competitive. No, it wasn't. I wasn't even scoring this versus. Me either. What are you talking about?

They're not. Oh, shut up. They were not competitive. They love each other. Nah, they were trying to take each other's heads off. You can't be competitive with your brother? Look, bring up that line up again. Bring up that line up.

That'll show you the competitiveness. You can bring up competitive with your brother. Bring up that lineup again. Bring up that lineup. That'll show you the competitiveness. You can bring up whatever you want. When Ray said, before Ray played Incarcerated. You played Special Delivery. He comes right back with Skewing on the Barbie. I'm trying to come right back at you. That's not, I'm going to give you this one because Special Delivery is a classic. Before Ray played Incarcerated, Scarface is.

He says some shit like, all right, now I got to destroy you with this one. He played Mighty Healthy, which is a fucking banger. Kanye sampled, mad people have sampled that record. Fucking Action Bronson got his whole style

and the way he ad-libs from that record. And then Ray came back with Incarcerated Scarfaces. It's like, this is a win for Ghostface. No question. So I got to come back

with my strongest record. It's like, fuck. I am trying to compete. Yes, I'm trying to compete. I'm trying to compete. You're trying to take your head off. Or else I go play some bullshit. Do you know what incarcerated scar faces is?

Right. That's my point. I never saw Parks like this. It's a good point. This is my shit. This is my era. This is my shit. I'm not gonna lie.

What? I've seen Parks in a lot of different bags. I have not seen Parks like this. This is my shit. I'm happy to just see Parks before. Damn, all right.

Parks won the versus, all right? It was for me. You really didn't know this was for me. When incarcerated Scarfaces came on, Ghostface said,

you got that, walked back to his chair with his head soaked down. Yeah, what can you do? That's incarcerated Scarface. Stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop, stop.

No, no, no, no. That's incarcerated Scar scar faces done by my friend if that's not his friend and incarcerated scar faces come on we good we as viewers get to watch him have to deal with that like like in the gucci jeezy battle yeah y'all not friends nothing to do you got to deal with this song not violence not street stuff you have to deal with this song i personally never got that from this incarcerated scar faces how do you take that i take it the same way ghost told me he would take it in the preliminary which is ghost said yo when that come on i gotta grab a casket like you get a body for that when that come on

they know what each other did that's better but it was fun to watch it was fun to watch what Parks I'll ask you cause you championing this thing

what did you think of the viewership I don't give a fuck and I don't know what the numbers are because I don't know that people are running

I saw people saying yo it's only 100,000 people in here I don't know how many people run to the Instagram to watch that shit where you actually see the number and I don't know that people are running. I saw people saying, yo, it's only 100,000 people in here. I don't know how many people run to the Instagram to watch that shit where you actually see the number. And I don't know what the number on Triller is. Yeah. And I will say that Triller needs to step up their app game a little bit. Because I tried to watch it on TV. I couldn't get it on TV.

I had to watch it on the phone and stream it to the TV. So there's no TV app? There's no. There is a Triller TV app, but I couldn't find the battle on the app. Oh, okay. And I wanted to this is actually the first versus. I'm going to watch this again. I will watch this again. I was trying

to watch it again. The battle again. I'm going to watch that weekly, I think. That shit was crazy. In other words, this is my shit. I get it, bro. I understand. And I couldn't find it on the Triller app, and it should be there. I think it's on the Instagram, but I don't want to watch

some shit. Triller owns versus. They doniller app, and it should be there. I think it's on the Instagram, but I don't want to watch some shit. Triller owns Versus. They don't care what you think should be there. Whatever. I want to watch that shit again. I'm glad it was at least on Instagram, too, because I'm not. Shake that body. I missed the Apple Music shit, but whatever.

These two dudes got slaps. Yeah, a lot of them. They got slaps together, man. And they got a lot of slaps together, yeah. Did they? Because, again, me not watching it, so I'm going to ask you. Did they do their Together records together yeah okay yeah they did the jodeci record you know i'm saying they went acapella with it like ray kwan played it and played his verse and then goes like nah they were singing the record they were singing jodeci's

parts acapella together they had a lot of fun with this yeah yeah yeah yeah then that's dope this is another one that then it wasn't for the who won ghost yeah no no no no no got it this wasn't that at no point when i was watching this did i try to consider a winner even though i had ghostface maybe winning yeah but when i came on it was like oh y'all are brothers y'all are on every song together y'all age ghostface even said yo my knees is bad fam i can't get up and jam to this right now like i like that type of shit they did an outfit change i love ghosts coming out in this fur with the fur and they had a leather underneath it yeah i stared at ghost wall-e's for 20 minutes like

yeah man talk about branding word like i don't smart the big check smart even if he don't yeah we own this shit he branded wall-e's with him you don't have the big check smart even if he don't yeah we own this shit he branded wally's with him you don't have to have a deal in fact to to that's fact yeah he does i know he does his own little custom joints and shit like that body i had very low expectations for the show honestly and i have like i was like why are they even doing this shit this shit was the greatest verses i've ever seen in my entire life they sung jodeci in front of us yeah like and do you feel the same of what greatest verses that you've seen no no i don't feel like this is the greatest verse of the episode. I don't think this is the top five verses that I have seen.

No, because I know we all like different shit, so that we're going to think different. I don't think you've seen it front to back. I think you owe yourself to watch that front to back, and especially even watch the end when they were just playing. At the end, they were like, oh, we're done. We're done. They said we're done 15 times, and the DJs just kept playing old classic fucking party records

so you can watch this over though cause the other ones you couldn't watch over I think it's on the Instagram Prem told me it was on the Instagram

so I'm assuming it's on the Instagram I'm seeing this video here is 2 hours and 40 minutes long whatever you're watching right here I don't know if they

put the whole thing that's on the official channel I like that now Versus put out like a schedule correct and the challengers were blotted out so you couldn't tell who they were we can guess That's on our official channel. They're saying now that- I like that. Now, Versus put out a schedule. Correct. And the challengers were blotted out, so you couldn't tell who they were.

We can guess. But they have a Hal Hyde, Redman, and Method Man on 420. That makes sense, right? No. Why not? I mean, it makes sense. Redman, Method Man on 420, yes. I think Redman versus Method Man does not make sense.

Why? I said the same thing about Ray Ghost. Ice is also 29, by the way. Nah, I'm 30. Nah, I just don't think they match up. Why? I think Method Man blows this away. Really?

Yes. Oh, shit. I don't think it's... I got Redman winning this. I feel the same way as I do. I got Method Man, and I don't think... And I'm from Jersey. I love Redman to death.

I don't think in a versus hit for hit record for record that matches up I'm not factoring in the fact that Mef can play mad Wu-Tang joints exactly cause solo career Redman's got wait a second I'm listening

so Redman's got a lot of solo slaps like a lot bigger than Mef not when you include the Wu-Tang slaps. Like, a lot. Bigger than Meth? Not when you include the Wu-Tang slaps. That's all I was kind of saying. Like, I just don't see matching up. I think Redman has features that he could play that are not being counted enough. I don't want to hear Dirty.

Huh? Yeah, I do not want to hear that. You better not play that damn Christina record. That's the first one I thought about when you said features. I don't want to hear that. I was thinking more Headbanger. Yeah, no do not want to hear that. You better not play that damn Christina record. That's the first one I thought about when you said features. I don't want to hear that. I was thinking more Headbanger. Yeah, no doubt. Okay.

I'm with that. My memory's fuzzy. I don't know if Red is on down with the Kings. Beast from the East. Crazy. Like, Redman comes from EPMD. Yeah, that's true. All that.

So, he has features he could play. Now, granted, say Vaughn's age group wouldn't care, and they might not be familiar. And yeah, Meth has Wu-Tang acclaim, and some big, really sold solo records, and some big features. Right, that's kind of what I'm saying. But I don't think people give Redman the credit

that he should get. He's got two, if not three, classic albums. I say three. I say three. He's definitely got it. I might have four, personally. But I like Redman. Redman was probably one of my favorite rappers.

Know what? I'm saying four. I don't really have any classic solo albums. I'm saying four, because personally, I'm putting Doc's the Name in there, too. Doc's the Name is my shit. All right, but let's keep it going. So I'm going to say four. We say Redman has three or four classic albums. I'm saying four because personally, I'm putting Doc's the name in there too. Doc's the name is my shit. All right, but let's keep it going. So I'm going to say four. We say Redman has three or four classic albums.

Cool. Whoever you have winning, it will be entertaining to watch. That's the one thing. Pull up the challenges again, please. That's the one thing about Redman. I've seen him live, and it might be like the top. John, regardless, one of the top shows I've ever been to and it might be like the top John regardless one of the top shows I've ever been to in my entire life.

He knows how to fucking put on a show. He can put on a show. 100. Him and Mef together. That alone is going to be worth watching. I'm just talking record versus record. I didn't see it happen. Let's finish running this down. Mother's Day special. We don't know who

that could be but I'd love to see Anita Baker or somebody there it looks like it's a solo yeah it's a solo cause it doesn't have the V song oh yeah got it got it got it got it

got it got it I see what they did the rematch I'm assuming this is Teddy Riley vs. Babyface again because Teddy Riley made some sort of reference to it

I don't think so I didn't see it yeah he tweeted this he highlighted the rematch part and he put out a little oh okay I didn't see it. Yeah, he tweeted this. He highlighted the rematch part, and he put out a little. Okay, I didn't see it. Why? There's already been a rematch.

And that's still babyface, so maybe lose again. I don't know. But I'll watch it. Teddy Riley's that dude. Babyface's that dude. So we'll see. Then we have it to be announced. We have a ladies' night versus another one to be announced.

And it says we're just getting started. I understand that looking on what i'm seeing there i don't i do i think i know who one of them to be announced is and i'm hoping i'm right because i got my own list of verses that i would love to see which which one you which one are you seeing uh the one underneath memorial day okay i'm thinking that last name is bobby brown shut up who's who's battling bobby brown nobody that's a one that's one word on top of that correct yeah r kelly chris brown usher i have usher really that's one of the battles that i said that's one of the battles i would i want usher versus chris brown why you don't want a battle of the browns bobby brown that's the one i really wanted i have my list of verses that I would

do anything to see and that's at the top of the list. Chris Brown got to wait for Drake or well, Drake's waiting for Kanye. Kanye's waiting for Hov. It's all types of verses. Yeah, it's all kind of little shit. They want who they want. Usher vs. Bobby Brown don't make a lot of sense to me though just because of age.

The difference in... None of y'all are beating Bobby Brown if R. Kelly's in jail Bobby Brown wins it I said that Bobby Brown is Bobby Brown get to pull from too much shit Bobby Brown's unbeatable

new addition new addition to the load his shit Ja Rule hey hey we not gonna talk about Thug Lovin' I like that song

I like that song I'm making sure you like the song I like that song I was in the building when they was making that song I that song. I'm making sure you like the song. I like that song. All right, we good? Not to mention all the people at Sample. I was in the building when they was making that song. Do that. Hey, I'm making sure.

Because we not. Thug Lovin' get disrespected. Not on my watch. That song is hard. That song is hard. We good. We have the Isley Brothers verse, Earth, Wind, and Fire. When I told my dad about that, he was real excited and wanted to know how he could access

verses. My mom told me to buy out. He doesn't like the matchup. I don't either. He doesn't like the matchup. Isley Brothers don't either. He doesn't like the matchup. Isaac Brothers has been around since like the late 50s, I think. Putting out records.

Pop said he thought that Earth, Wind & Fire should probably go against the original Kool & The Gang. Or the Commodores, maybe. Yeah, not Earth, Wind & Fire. That's what he said. I don't know who would win that,

but I'm watching it. I'm definitely watching that. And I'm jamming. Hell yeah. Not just watching that. I am jamming. I'm two- that. And I'm jamming. Hell yeah. Not just watching that. I am jamming. I'm two-stepping all through that. That kind of shit about it. I'm curious what the Memorial Day weekend, because that sounds like Memorial Day weekend

to me. I need some more current shit. Memorial Day weekend is Teddy Riley versus Babyface. Nah, it's going to be Memorial Day to me. You can have Memorial Day with New Jack Swing. Of course I can. Of course I can.

But it's not the same as Earth, Wind & Fire on Memorial Day. What if it's a rematch of The Dream and Sean Garrett? They want that too. They got enough records to do a rematch. I wouldn't laugh. No, I'm saying that would be the way to do it. Yeah, no, I wouldn't laugh at that. But either way, I look forward to that.

Ladies Night. That's a real short name. That's got to be Eve. That's got to be Eve. But either way, I look forward to that. Ladies Night. That's a real short name right there. That's got to be Eve. That's got to be Eve. Versus who, though? Eve versus... Eve's going to be a hard out for 10 songs. Yeah.

I don't know if she can get to 20. That's got to be Eve. That's my other versus issue. I talked about that with you earlier. What's that? Versus 20 records. Yeah. Everybody can't do 20 records.

That's a fact. Once you get around 12, 13-ish, it start getting a little... Money. Yeah, it gets money. Yeah. For a lot of people. For a lot of people. I do think they should offer...

I wish they would do opening acts or something like that where you can do it. Well, that's the DJ. Someone would... Nah. Oh, you mean opening verses? Yeah. 10 on 10 or 5 on 5. I've seen some verses we had that should not have been 20 records oh yeah and i was just like all right here's our reminder that this is not for everybody yeah yeah

april 4th is around the corner these months are going by in the spring quickly that's a fact like it's almost april right now. Which means summer's around the corner. Shit about to go crazy. Big Vax me. Yo, summer's coming. That's it. It's going to be different out here. I went and got a COVID test because I was trying to go to the Knick game this weekend.

New York versus Philly. And they were saying that you can't attend the game if you don't have a COVID test from the last 48 hours, 72 hours. Yeah, 72-hour PCR test. I get there. Of course, I see people faking the COVID test. Nah. They faking the COVID test? Would you believe it?

Would you believe it? Of course, they're faking the COVID test to watch Julius Randle perform. Why wouldn't you? That's when I would call him all and say what he thinks about that, but I won't. Yeah, so they faking the COVID test. Did you go to the game? I went to the game.

I took a COVID test. Easiest picture? This was my first time taking the COVID test where they put it all the way in your nose. That's the good one. Yeah, he was doing the fake job. The rapid test. Yeah, yeah.

I really liked that all the way in the nose test. That's the spot, all the spots i wish i could get to with my pinky like it felt really good i didn't mind after a little itch but i'm crying um the garden the garden to make you sign some type of uh paper so that they're not liable for if you come in there and kill everybody and it was a really good time it was a good time in there yeah how many in new york it just feels like people gearing up to get back out whether it be to the secret strip club to a game nix nets to dinner just the energy seems to be changing a little bit uh venue capacity what did it look like yeah there was a lot of people in

there okay uh i think they they changed rules. They upped the capacity. So it looked like maybe 40%, 30%, 33%, whatever that was. But it spread out amongst the whole garden. I'm sure the players were happy that people were in there cheering. Down at the end of the row were some real New York fans that were screaming MVP for Julius. And when Tobias Harris went to the line, they screamed, you're not an all-star. Did you sit courtside? I didn't sit courtside.

I didn't sit in celebrity row. I sat. You sat in Lexus row. I sat along. That was hilarious, bro. That picture was great. I don't like that. Because that picture of the Lexus wasn't there when I purchased the tickets.

That was funny i got a good i was gonna hit you i got a good laugh at that because i can imagine you coming in there like you gotta be kidding me yeah i purchased the baseline the baseline seats four of them right thinking we get a good seat we go there i'm right behind the basket and there's a big ass lexus right there blocking our view and they move the seats back so you're not right there and i was really angry about that and the price of admission until i looked across the court and saw that it was like a suv slash caravan on the other side so you could have been behind that fam i'm gonna kick somebody's ass if they put me behind the caravan uh but the game there you go there you go yeah. That's fucked up.

Y'all would be pissed. That's fucked up. And don't tell me I got baseline seats when I got Lexus line seats. Word. Like, don't do that. I got front view of the fucking car. Right, right. That I'm not going to buy.

Yeah, yeah, don't do that. That's fucked up. Well, listen, back to just how my brain understands things. I see that Lexus is in some type of deal with the garden. They've got their car. They've got their cars everywhere. I mean, I don't think they care about me. I look up and I see the Chase Hall of Fame.

It's Chase Gate CD. I'm like, okay, they have business with Chase. Safe to assume that. Oh, yeah, they got the garden. If you have a Chase car, they got an old private lounge upstairs. I was like, this is lit. They got all types of business with Chase. None of them know who Patrick Ewing is, but there's some Chase card. They got an old private lounge upstairs. I was like, this is lit. They got all types of business with Chase.

None of them know who Patrick Ewing is, but there's some Chase business. There's some Chase business to be had. That's crazy. Mitch Robinson was back. That was cool. I won't talk about sports too long because Maul's not here for me to laugh at his sports takes, but this was cool. The Knicks lost. It was a good time

in New York. It's the only reason I brought it up. We spoke briefly about Quavo This was cool. The Knicks lost. It was a good time in New York. It's the only reason I brought it up. Yeah. We spoke briefly about Quavo and Sweetie because we were recording when the news broke. Right. A lot of backlash from that after we were finished recording. One of the rumors that surfaced was that Quavo repoed his Bentley back that he gifted Sweetie. And I'm cool with that. Yeah, I want to shop it off of that. I didn't really care about that.

But I'm here to ask you, gentlemen, if you were in the middle of a public bad breakup and you gifted your significant other a Bentley, would you indeed take it back? I'm going to need that Bentley. I'm going to need that.

Run that. Yeah. I'm going to need that back. It depends. It depends. It depends. For me, it depends. Because I don't want you to look at me like I need it. It's like, all right, fam.

I gave you that. Go do that. You can have that. I'll keep it pushing. Can I add a little bit to that? Mm-hmm. I'm hearing. I don't know for sure.

I didn't see the contract details. Now, let's say this is a leased vehicle that is in your name and y'all had that bad breakup. You still keep that status? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me that back. Give me that back. Okay.

You can't kiki with your ex and then it's my name on it. Well, no. Even if you don't kiki with your ex, if the car is in someone else's name and you have it, that's trouble on the horizon. Absolutely.

Yeah. She could say, all right, I'm not making the payments. Like, paying the money or whatever. Ruined your credit. Ruined your credit, yeah. Ru could say, all right, I'm not making the payments. Like, paying the money, you know, whatever. Ruined your credit.

Ruined your credit, yeah. Ruined your standing. No, I'm good. That's not something you really. Run that. Run that.

That need my standing good at the Bentley store. The car custom. It got icy snowflakes in it and say icy in the headrest. So, it's your car. I mean,

you can easily go back there and put that in your name and go get your Bentley. I'm cool with that. I don't need it. She's making a couple dollars. Yeah. I don't need it. She's making a couple dollars. Yeah. I don't need it.

She can swing the Bentley, I'm sure. But you're not going to. It's not staying in my name and we're not together. I support Quavo in this instance because I understand what you go through when you have a very public relationship and things are not going right and you'd rather keep things private, but you're dealing with the hurt party who wants to divulge things, who wants to expose things,

who wants to expose your participation in all the matters. And it'd be like, yo, fam, what are you doing, man? We was tight. It didn't work. I creeped out. You wasn't sucking my dick for nine months. Like, sorry, I'm going to go and get my dick sucked. My problem with that, with what you just said, Joe, is y'all cool with putting out all the happy shit, though.

So it's like, that come with it. If you want to be private, be all the way private. Y'all want to constantly throw the good times in everybody's face. Let me respond to that. Playing devil's advocate. Yes. A lot of times when men are participating in that act, it's against our will. Our girl is the person that wants to show the good times to the internet and to the public.

And hey, take this picture. Jump in. Hey, this is a vibe the men normally we typically are not trying to share in that but our girl wants to so we do it we don't want to take the picture now when things go awry when things go bad it's our girl that's hurt so it's our girl that acts first and unfollowing you and eliminating the pictures from the timeline and giving the bloggers anything to feed off of. Most times men don't want the bloggers in their business. Correct.

You know, one of the things I love most about this pandemic and quarantine and COVID is that the bloggers didn't have so much of niggas real life business to feed off of. Y'all had to get into like things that could really help the society i loved that as soon as those things stopped happening guess what happened the bloggers uh when outside opened back up the bloggers said that carl towns was indeed cheating on jordan woods the whole time carl towns as a man did what he had to do to protect his relationship from it. He was like, yo, dog, that's fake. That's fake. It's not real. Don't exist. The bloggers was like, yo, dog.

No, it happened. We got your side chick. We got the airplane tickets. We got the hotel reservations. We have everything. That's your girl. But niggas be trying to hold down the sanctity of a relationship, keep things a certain way.

Because you don't want her looking crazy. Exactly. That's what it is. You don't want her looking crazy. And that's a part of it. But here we are, Quavo, sweetie. Shit is nuts. Y'all both superstars.

Y'all both young. Y'all both have time invested. What? They both what? Young. Superstars. All right, go ahead. How old are you?

I'm 30. That's why. That's why. See, I'm 40. So when I sit home. I'm not 30, but go ahead. It don't matter. But it don't matter.

When I sit home at 40 years old and I surf the net, what I see is money bags, yo, baby mom did this. Alexa Sky did this. Such and such did this. Correct, correct. I'm not interested in any of it, but guess what? That don't matter.

The 24-year-olds. That's all they care about. That demographic, they only care about this. So that makes her a superstar? That's the definition of a superstar? I mean, depending on the... She's popular.

She's popular. No, no. But wait. Popular is today. I'm not working under the rules and guidelines that we came up off of. Today, if you're young and you have 5 million followers on Instagram, you can produce something to get a superstar effect, at least amongst your peer group.

No, Sweetie and Quavo are not superstars in comparison to the superstars, Rihanna, Beyoncece jay-z anybody musically that we deem to be that way no but to their demo sweetie's the one sweetie is beyonce to the 22 year old quavo quavo regardless of what we feel about him has ushered in a generation. Absolutely. He's a grandfather. He's a veteran. Yeah. He's a brand ambassador. Correct.

Correct. That's just what he is. Yes. Maybe not to me because I came up on Nas. Sorry to hear that. We're not going to do that. Nah. It's a joke.

It's a joke. It's a joke. Jokes ain't jokes if we never get serious that's been a joke of yours that's been a joke of yours for the last 10 15 years and we're and i just watched ghostface on the woo shit introduce naz and say yo when this kid came out we all thought that was the one ghostface is in my top 15 rappers all time. Mine too. If you think that about Nas when he came out,

I know what that's like, hearing that for the first time. That's hard. Hey, yo, it ain't hard to tell. I excel, then prevail. Rappers weren't putting the word excel in their verses back then. It ain't hard to tell that was a radio single. Wasn't really radio singles going on like that back then. So I understand it is all.

I'm not mad at this. Young people could kill Nas. Hey, Freddie Gibbs texted me. Freddie Gibbs texted me over some shit I said in the pod. He was like, what the fuck you mean I can't be mad that I didn't win the Grammy? I doubled down. Nigga, it's Nas. Word.

What he said? Yeah, if you lose to Nas. You lost to Nas who hasn't been now he lose who didn't win in 20 years I can't even say what I was about to say but it don't matter

I can say it Nas didn't win it I know what you're about to say you know what I was about to say okay what he was going to say if he loses to DeSmoke he can be mad

yeah Freddie Gibbs can't be mad if he loses to Nas who hasn't won he can't be mad losing to Nas in 20 years that's like cannot be mad losing to Nas period. That's like cannot be mad

losing to Nas. But that's like anybody being mad at Susan Lucci when she won the fucking Emmy or whatever that was that she won

after being nominated 25 times. That's our equivalent of Nicki Minaj. Every year the white people say Susan Lucci lost again. Fan, did y'all see

All My Children? Or nah. I used to watch All My Children. Right. She's a white legend. She didn't win it. Sorry.

Or like when Leo. Sorry, Freddie Gibbs. You know what I mean? I get it. I get it. Hey, you and Alchemist could get together next year and put together the same thing and put it out. Exactly.

And that'd be cool. But you can't say I rap. I rap better when I'm angry when Nas won. Well, you can. But don't text me about it. It's okay. You just got to take that. If you text me, I'm going to tell your dog, you bugging.

Yeah, you got to take that. You have to take that. It's not an L when you take an L to a legend. At all. There's only a handful of legends that like if you lose to them you should actually be honored to even be mentioned

in the category with them. Facts. It was Nas. Yeah. Like outside of me everybody else considers Nas if not the one of the absolute greatest.

He is one of the absolute greatest. You consider him one of the absolute greatest but don't do that. I said I was right. But you do. It was written as one of your favorite albums. It is.

You do. But then there's a lot of albums. I have heard too much music and knows too many artists to not consider Nas one of the greatest ever. You don't have to be one of your personal favorites. But you know what he did. Of course. That's it. I know what he did.

Yes. I'm giving Nas his props. Hey, and he did that with a large percentage of people saying he picked bad did. Of course. That's it. I know what he, yes, I'm giving Nas his props. Hey, and he did that with a large percentage of people saying he picked bad beats. You lose. He did that

over bad beats. Yeah. Y'all know my bad beats. And I hate that argument with Nas. Nas went and got with Dre for the firm and put it out

and all of us said those beats are bad. I just, I like that album. He just hits a bad rap with, hey, you owe me came out and we said, what are you doing? I said, I loved it. I don't think that beat are bad. He just hits a bad rap with, hey, you owe me came out.

We said, what are you doing? I said, I loved it. I don't think that beat is bad. Going back, a lot of the Nas has bad beats, takes. Or bad takes. Don't hold up. Yeah. There's a lot of, like, even Nostradamus, which I hated as a fucking backpacker Nas fan.

I go back to him like, oh, there's a lot of good songs in there. That's where my current fight lives. If we want to attack something about Nas, I'm going to the hooks before the beats. Fair. Fair. The beats were fine. Undying love. Even if the Nostradamus beat came on the day.

Like, it's not an encore, y'all. You should welcome me back. The beat by itself, rappers would pick it. Right. But some of these hooks, that's what, you know what, you're right. Nasta, Nasta, Nasta, Nasta, Nasta, Nasta, Nasta. That's what made that argument. No.

That's what he did over the beat. If I ruled the world. That's what it was. That's what it was. Fucking, I can name a million Nas hooks that if we get into it, it's like, all right, fam. Yeah, I agree with that. But I come from everywhere. I know that the lyricists couldn't make hooks.

I know McGruff couldn't make a hook. Dog, I read a- I know the Locks didn't make the best hook we need they need a puff i know i ain't make the best hooks lord i like the lyricists couldn't make hooks okay couldn't make hooks oh ho couldn't make hooks it's true it's the truth i've heard the joke in the producer community if you want to get a whole placement, have a hook on it. Right. I don't argue it. It's true. And if you listen to the songs with that new ear, when I listen to my favorite hold songs, that comes up. Like Allure is one of my favorite songs. And the hook comes on and it's Pharrell.

I don't know why. As somebody that knows what it took to get a Pharrell hook, I didn't have that luxury. I mean, I couldn't put it Pharrell. I couldn't make a hook and I couldn't get somebody that could make a hook to be on my songs. Guess what? I got to sing it.

Hov is not in that position. You get Pharrell, Pham, I can make this happen. If I can get Pharrell for a beating hook, I can make this happen. Sorry, Noriega. He made it happen.

That's my point. It's not to discredit what he did because his catalog is crazy. But if I can get Pharrell for a beating hook, the work is done. I can make it happen a little bit. happen that's my point yeah it's not to discredit what he did because his catalog is crazy but if i can get pharrell for beating the hook yeah the work is done i can make it happen a little bit if i can get kanye for a beat some of the hook it's cool man after watching this uh wu-tang verses i went back to the stories that were circulating about ghostface turning down the

girls girls girls beat by a hoe. If you hear that, you would think, well, what the fuck is wrong? Ghostface turning down that beat. But I mean, you know how that happens. It was coming off Supreme Clientele. That was a super classic. The only problem was... He wasn't worried about finding no beats?

The problem with me hearing that is the Girls Girls Girls beat sounds like a Ghostface beat. Well, I think I've heard both Kanye and Just Blaze go on record to say that they made beats at that time for Ghostface. Because coming off Spring Clientel, let's do that soul sample shit. I thought I heard one of them say Ice Cream

was the inspiration behind Girls Girls Girls. Ice Cream, by the way, has the best quotables of all time in it. Quotables? Quotables. I love you like I love my dick size. That's the one that comes into play. His dick big. We good?

We good, bro? I thought that was Rory that did that. I'm just saying, to put that in a song, all right, move it right along. To the Dean Howard sleep. Moving right along. That bitch been on my mind all week. She was on a lot of people's minds at that time, too. Yeah, she did.

That album covered the whole nine. Yeah. There's so many good lines in that song. But back to you, queen. Like, you can't fucking cherish this bitch and then say, but back to you, queen. He called her queen. He called her queen. It's all right.

Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Adina Howard is one of those untold doc stories that we need by the way like there's some of these

R&B untold stories that we need because the R&B people had so much hip hop shit going on Idina Howard was fucking

these niggas didn't stand a chance these niggas didn't stand a chance what else is important out there? We covered versus Did we cover the mass shootings? No, we didn't

Let's talk about it a little bit Before we get out of here I don't think that we need A three hour podcast today I think we give right To the meat and potatoes And things and keep it pushing White terrorism

Back again Again Colorado The need for gun control yeah colorado again suspect is a resident of arvada colorado and has lived most of his life in the united states boulder county district attorney michael doherty said he sustained a through and through gunshot wound to his leg and was taken into custody at 3.28 p.m. Monday. He was sent to a hospital in stable condition and was being treated

there Tuesday. The officers exchanged gunfire with the suspect. It wasn't immediately clear whether the shot that injured him came from police. So he's alive? Yeah. Okay.

And well. Got it. It's sad. You know what's crazy about this is they're getting younger and younger and younger. Like, this kid's 21.

Yeah. You're just able to purchase alcohol, man. Yeah. But you... You could have been purchased a gun, though. That's my problem.

Yeah. That's my problem. Yeah. You can get a gun whenever you want to. In some of these states. I talked to my mans who lived in PA, and he's like, yo, come through. Because every time I'm out there, we go to the gun range.

This whole group of us. He goes, yo, come through. I just bought an AR-15. And I'm like, why? Why did you buy an AR-15? You know what his response was? And he was dead serious. Because I can.

And I shut up. I was just like, shit. What do you say to that? I bought this assault rifle simply because I can. I have no need for it. But because I am able

to go into the store and buy an AR-15, I went and bought it. Might as well. I had an extra 300. You know what I'm saying? You get what I'm saying? That's the problem, man. That's the problem. They're not going to change

this shit. 21-year-old suspect in Monday's massacre at the King's Super Supermarket in the Colorado city of Boulder faces 10 counts of murder in the first degree. 10? 21 years old, bro. White. You killed bro. White terrorists.

You killed 10 people and you got a leg wound. But what makes people, as soon as the world opens back up, get to... Get right back to mass killing. Hey, man, some people have to die. Well, Dave Chappelle said it. He said that was one of the greatest things about COVID. That you get to avoid

these kind of situations massacres this is the seventh one in seven days in the US mass shooting bro I saw the US numbers

and it was we were at like over it's like 102 103 in 2021 and I had to double check.

I thought I was bugging. Like, yo, this is March. We didn't even finish March. So it's been more mass shootings than it's been days this year. That's crazy. And I think, I believe the definition of mass is over four people killed

in one single shooting. That's like the technical term. Right. So just to put it in perspective. The mass shooting in Boulder is the 102nd US mass shooting of 2021.

What's wrong with us, man? And no one sees a problem with this. Word. Buy whatever gun you want. Yeah. Buy more. Because

you may be somewhere where the shooting starts. So, you should have a gun too. And then, one of the most fucked up things about it is, is where this is happening. It's like you're at a supermarket.

Word. Right. Think about who's at a supermarket. It's not like at the clubs. It's not like where there's some tension or aggression in that kind of environment. Yo fam, I'm going to buy apples, pears and peaches.

Right. And I'm scared for a 21 yearyear-old to roll up on me. Not the 45-year-old who may be disgruntled or whatever, got all this, this psychological, whatever the case is.

This ain't the ward vet that's fucked up in your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just a young kid who had, whatever his reason is, 10 people dead. A 65-year-old,

a 49-year-old, 51, a 25-year-old. He killed over three decades of people in one instance. Dude. He cleared out.

The first officer, and I read this earlier, the first officer that I guess arrived on the scene or, you know, to assess the situation, left behind seven kids. Damn. Just for doing, I'm going, I'm doing my job at a supermarket. And now there's seven kids without a father, bro. Like, this is nuts. This is nuts. You can't make this make sense to you.

There's so many different things to speak to. Because then you think about all the unarmed black people. It's so many different other things to speak to. Because there's unarmed black people. Killed many different other things to speak to because there's unarmed black people kill for traffic infractions or nothing so i'd like to allow you to floor off of this topic to tell me how you are okay with bieber harmonizing nigger with this white terrorism going on uh it's not that i was okay because that is what some of our some of our correlation is to that uh and i'll segue that into beaver catching backlash for opening his album or

having martin luther king shots in his album credits yep it's not that we bash him for harmonizing nigger it's that we bash some of the evil whites not saying him but some of the evil whites because that is your position calling us niggers when you love us like calling us niggers when you uh are trying to be like us calling us niggers when you share in the talent and the uh economy that our niggerism has provided. So we joked around a little last week and you caught some heat. I caught some heat for allowing you to say it. But off of this serious topic right now, like, how do you deal with the correlation?

Well, for me, it wasn't that harmonizing nigger. It's not funny. You know, like in the moment we were joking around it. That's important to be said. Yeah, like in the moment we were joking around it, you know, we brushed was joking around it you know we we brushed past it cool for me what it is it's just progression like if you see the video and it's a nasty video like because even the words after it he uh references the kkk and all this other horrible shit but for me what it was is like all right progression when are we gonna give people the room to grow how long are you gonna hold this

against somebody if you see the video he looks at least the the youngest i'll say 12 the oldest maybe 15 16 and his career is documented so here's my question for you because i don't want to get into too much empathy for justin bieber my it's not him no joe that's what i'm trying to say but let's just hear me out and you can carry on. When we see things like this that we can perceive as pandering, from the guy who calls us nigger, but then has Martin Luther King in his album credits, how should the rest of us feel?

Not you, who assesses differently. How should everybody else feel? If you've ever had a nigger video out there where you harmonized it and then you opened your album with martin luther king pictures in your credits should we feel like you have changed and you've matured or do we feel like you're fronting and pandering he probably saw that as a way to smooth it over or something i mean but it's over a decade ago somebody black needs to get involved and say, hey, you could be changed. You could love us. But Martin Luther King in your album notes is not a good idea.

That's all. I'm not. I can't speak for where his heart lies. I've never met the gentleman. Yeah. He's got some slaps. I will say that people, particularly social media, they don't allow for growth and change. Of course not.

And that's my issue. Of course not. And I think that's what Saban's trying to say. That's the only thing I'm speaking to. My personal opinion on that is, fucking apology. I don't want your apology. To me, the best apology is change behavior and making sure you don't repeat the same mistake. Mm-hmm.

So, I'm not defending Bieber. repeat the same mistake. So I'm not defending Bieber, but if he changed his behavior, learned from that mistake that he made when he was a child, if he learned from that, made sure to never repeat that mistake and is trying to do the right thing by the people that he offended with that mistake, allow him that room. And then there's two things for me the the first thing is we know his demographic we know who's rushing to listen to the beaver we know correct where the streams come from right correct they go to his album when else are they gonna hear mlk anything like it's just an attempt and i'm not saying it's right maybe it is pandering but on this on the surface on the landscape it's like fam little white boys little white girls young teenager whoever it is pandering, but on the surface, on the landscape, it's like, fam, little white boys,

little white girls, young teenagers, whoever it is that's listening, they're never going to go out of their way to hear it. Well, that's the one person that they actually teach white kids in public school, as a white kid that went to public school, is Martin Luther King. So they've actually probably heard the speech. It's not the most in-depth that you could go. You could find

some Malcolm, at least. You know what I'm saying? So he took the easy way out. That's an easy way. I don't want us to live here because we touched on this last week. I just wanted to allow

Savon the space. It's just progression. Like I said, it wasn't so much Justin Bieber. It wasn't so much, oh, the notes was fire. Like, fuck out of here.

You can't even hear the notes in most of the videos that you find. For me, it's just like, all right, when are we going to allow people to to progress that's what i'm saying it doesn't happen i can get in my brother all right i told i told i ain't think you did dog i ain't think you did well i didn't get with the way it was worded yeah it came off a little

but i understand your position your position is we need each other. That's it. We should allow room for growth. I think it's interesting that's coming from you because your generation, for me, y'all are the ones that invented the you don't have room to grow. Yeah. Y'all cancel culture guys are the ones that said, yo, man, you did what in the 70s? Hey, that was wrong. I don't care about the time. Even if in the 70s. That was happening. wrong. Right. I don't care about the time. Even if in the 70s. That was happening.

Right. Even if in the 70s. That's important. That shouldn't have happened. Hey, we do that in 2010. Yo, y'all was tweeting what back then? Yo, y'all, that was messed up. You're hurting people's feelings.

So it's like. That is your generation. So I think that's interesting that your position is this when it's your generation that came to attempt to rectify every generation before it. Is there anything else that I'm missing that we need to get to? Rest in peace, Elgin Baylor. Oh, 1,000%. Absolutely. 1,000%.

Rest in peace, Elgin Baylor. Prayers and condolences to his family, friends, fans, and loved ones. Somebody else passed away. Bobby Brown Jr. Yeah. Bobby Brown Jr. been passed. I think they just got the autopsy or something. Yeah, the autopsy report.

The toxicology is back now, and it says that he lost his life from the mixture of drugs. History of alcohol, drug abuse, fentanyl, something going on there. My mind is so fucked up. I don't even know how to take it when they tell me that such and such died from a history of drug abuse. Yeah, we have a history of drug abuse i got that but i mean i ain't gonna go as far as to say that's why somebody died even if that's what the toxicology says like there were events that led up to people taking drugs to deal with certain things like we're here to self-medicate uh that's like they can't uh now we're here too but some people are here and they self-medicate to deal with things.

That's just like we stopped saying because it was a courtesy issue. We stopped saying suicide was, there's a term that we used for taking your own life or something that was inconsiderate deemed by the mental health community. Because if you don't understand what mental health is and that people are suicidal who are you to say that hey they had mental health and no you can't say that got it like so all of that stuff this is the ballpark that we're in uh rest in peace to bobby brown jr of course yeah i couldn't imagine being bobby brown and having to live with so much success and pain. My wife, my kids, my wife, kids. It's a mess. It's a mess.

So keep Bobby Brown in your prayers out there. Did anybody else pass? I don't think so. That we know of? No. Right? Is there anything else

that's going on that we need to touch? Snowfall review? There hasn't been an episode that aired since. But they did renew They did renew the series For another season

Oh yeah Yeah they got another Fifth season You better believe that Jack That one was coming Better not Better not cancel that now

Big Pun got a A street named after him A portion of East Fordham Road In the Bronx So Rest in peace to Snoot To the legend Big Pun Okay One thousand to see Absolutely Yeah That's good Fordham Road in the Bronx. So, rest in peace to Snoop, to the legend, Big Pun. Okay.

1,000 to see. Absolutely. Yeah. That's good. Fordham? All right. Yeah. What is it?

Big Pun? Or is it Christopher? Big Pun Plaza, I believe. Okay. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Yeah, I like that.

I like that a lot. I mean, I don't know if y'all care, the whole NBA young boy situation. No. Yeah. I missed it. I care know if y'all care, the whole NBA young boy situation. No. I missed it. I care. You care? I care about any time that somebody's arrested, feds, regular.

Yeah, apparently they were looking for him. They were looking for him. Do we know why they were looking for him? Said it was a federal warrant. So we don't know why. Yeah, they didn't go into details about anything else. They pulled him over. He ran.

They called the canines out, which I know it's going to sound crazy, but I'm going to salute him for that. If I know you're looking for me, I'm not going to make it easy. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm sorry. I didn't expect him to be a young boy to make it easy for the authorities.

Everything about this story read exactly like the only part that was for the authorities. Everything about this story is read exactly like the only part that was funny about this story. I'll give you guys the sentence.

Our law enforcement sources tell us the cops set up a perimeter and brought in a canine to help find young boy. But by the way, we're told the police dog

didn't bite him. It just sniffed him out. He knew he was there but he knew he pulled up on follow the loud follow the loud yo if you can understand find that loud pack

if you can read the tea leaves know the police are not gonna tell us that that dog tore NBA young boy's ass up but that's how

they caught him yeah yeah the dog just stopped like yo yo he's right there no the dog took a bite out of crime

oh come on see this is where Maul and Rory told me to shut up and I'm corny oh that was funny I thought it was funny. Yeah, nah, I'm with you.

You get it? Crime? He's crime. I get it. All right, never mind. He's crime. Scruff McGruff. Scruff McGruff.

I get it. He's crime. He's not crime. I get it. I ain't mad at him. All right, so yeah, NBA Youngboy is in jail on some federal shit. It's 14 counts of some shit. Gervonta got charged with like 14 counts of hit and run on some shit.

Crime is happening. The weather's getting nice. The country's opening back up. You're going to read this. It's going to be a hectic summer. Have y'all been paying attention to Miami? Yeah, Miami got crazy. Miami is fucking nuts. They shut that shit down. They had to call a state of emergency and shut it down.

Spring break, it was fights. Nah, you know what? Let me respond to that. They didn't have to call a state of emergency and shut it down yes they did did you see the videos did you see what it looked like

I saw black people no no no no no no not this this is not right these are the videos you watch white people I said I saw black people

did you see what they were doing in those videos blacking these whites look like they're blackened too no no the whites black people were popping pussy on car hoods partying they were centralizing you didn't see the video where they said literally everyone's dining dashing they got cooks chasing people out on the street.

You're not going to fucking crucify me for being black. That's not being black. Yes, it is. That's being a nigga. Okay, let's try this a different way. Ice, it's your turn, dog. Ice. Look, that's not being black.

Look at this. Yes, it is. That's being black. That's black people. That's black people Look, that's not being black. Look at this. Yes, it is. That's being black. That's black people. That's black people. So that's my issue with what you're saying. As black people. Joe, but you can't.

Get that out. Joe can't say that. Wait, wait, wait. I want to hear this. Pardon me. You shut the fuck up. Joe, you can't say that. You shut the fuck up.

Because you do it about black people all the time. Talking about the progression of black people. And then you see a video like this and say that's black people. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not mad at that. Sayvon, Sayvon, how old are you again, Sayvon? It don't matter how old I am, bro. I hear what you're saying.

Can you answer my question of how old are you again, please? 27. Yeah, you can't speak. You can't speak. So listen to this. I can't speak because I'm 27. No, no, of course you can speak. Let me reply to you.

Not on that secret. Let me reply to you. Sayvon, this is Joe's belief and my belief only. Uh-huh. As a black person, i can look at black people and say what i'm saying okay i'm saying that when i see footage of what's going on in miami i'm not seeing the footage of all the whites i'm seeing the footage of all the blacks doing shit that black people do we run out on the check we party when the music is up when we get drunk we get loud we dance on the cars

we cause a scene we're doing black shit what hey you've heard my theory of how racism was born they seen us blacking out and they didn't like it having too much fun yeah we was killing shit break dancing jumping over shit come on stegosaurus where creating We are breakdancing around the dinosaurs. Hey, a nigga was dunking over the Tyrannosaurus Rex. White people seeing what blacks was doing and they had a black. Look, this footage I seen, a homeboy running around in check, Prime 112, wherever that was. I did that. I did that before.

So my issue with you, let me talk to you now, comes from fuck whatever you see in the picture. So my issue with you, let me talk to you now, comes from fuck whatever you see in the picture. Florida, for the last 15 years, has been responsible for debacle after debacle after debacle. That's true. That is political, criminal. Call it how you want. Only against black people. Only against blacks.

See, we keep thinking Miami is Miami. No, nigga, it's Florida still. Correct. Geographically, what do you think goes on in Florida? So don't tell me how to feel when I see videos of black people in Florida being handled and treated a certain way. You niggas wasn't calling for a... Hey, I've been in Miami for...

Hey, once every other month for the last year. It's my getaway. I didn't hear nobody calling for a curfew. It wasn't spring break, Joe. So what? It wasn't blacks. It wasn my getaway. I didn't hear nobody calling for a curfew. It wasn't spring break, Joe. So what? It wasn't blacks. It wasn't spring break, Joe. Don't use the code words. I'm not trying to use a code word, Joe.

Spring break is blacks. No, spring break is college kids. Spring break is college kids. Yes, it is. No, it's not. Spring break is college kids. That's not true. Now, I'm going to tell you what's happening. I'm telling you that's not true.'s not. Spring break is college kids. That's not true. Now, I'm going to tell you what's happening. I'm telling you that's not true. It's not spring break is college kids.

So you said spring break means black? Miami is white, period. College kids, not college kids. All year round, you might bump into some white people. Spring break, the blacks across the globe say, we going to Miami. We going to Tulum. We going to Vegas. That's where the economy is headed.

So when they put out a curfew for only that time, when they send the special forces out to deal with COVID laws for only that time, when you go to the places that only the black people frequent for only that time, and then you make a spectacle of it in mass media, I know the history of mass media. I'm with you. I know the role that mass media has played'm with you i know the role that mass media has played in this so yeah y'all are right black people should not be dancing on the hood

and running out on checks but guess what black people are black people and if that's happening there's another way to deal with that than shooting people then to enact a curfew then to say hey don't come here and that's what i have known to happen from Florida. So what do you do when this is happening and if you're an official in Florida, bro? Like, you see, you lost control of the fucking city. This shit looks wild right here. You ready? I'm listening.

You ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Yes. Are you ready? You fucking pay for it. So you just let them fuck it up? You go.

I'm not saying you let them fuck it up because that's the problem. That's the problem. No, you wild. You let Bieber harmonize, nigga. You shut up. It's not a wild conversation. You did that. You got to own that.

You have to own that. Ice, you let them fuck it up. That's what you do. You manage it. Okay. So you manage the damage control and what's done. But when black people are angry, we're going to fuck something up. And when white people fuck shit up, they just fix it and it gets paid for and covered up.

You go home. Hey, bodies are dropping. Blood is pouring all over the streets. But everybody's political interest and financial interest is protected when you're white it's only black people when we break into windows oh now we go to jail for 75 years no we're angry over the state of things back to the looting argument so we're looting we're kicking in windows of course it's fucked up i'm a human you ain't gotta come tell me it ain't fucked up but it all is fucked up. And it all has been fucked up.

I say, me, my own opinion, I wouldn't live in Florida. I wouldn't live in Florida. I think Miami, for the record, is a majority Latino. For what it's worth. I don't care. You said that Miami is mostly white. All right, stop. Let me correct myself.

I'm not talking about who occupies it. I'm talking about who runs it. I'm talking about who controls. I don't know about the politics of Miami. Oh, please. Don't do that. You've been with me in Miami on tour for Rage and seen it. Not Miami.

In Florida. And seen the trucks running around with the Confederate flags. You've seen the elections lost over Miami. You've seen the bodies drop in Miami where cops didn't get charged. Or Florida, not Miami specifically. Florida, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a mistake.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mean Miami. I mean Florida. That's all. We have a great understanding of what goes on in Florida. So when I cut the TV on ice and see, hey, there's a curfew now and now only. And now it's spring break. Okay.

there's a curfew now and now only. And now it's spring break. Okay. I know now it's spring break because my girl who got fucking kids won't talk to me. She's busy with her kids. Hey, my kids is out of school. I don't have to teach them.

I don't have to do homework. I'm up for the night. And if they little asses is up too, we all up. That's spring break homework I'm up for the night and if they little asses is up too we all up that's spring break I'm in Jersey like big fuck these kids the rapists

don't do some homework I'm trying to get my shit on Joe what I'm saying is that you like when black people are hosed down in white states nah nah that's not what I'm saying at all that's not what I'm saying I get that you and Saban's position

is that well you said that last week and I won't let you say it again. Y'all want to see black people hosed down when white people feel like they're destroying the white streets. Nobody said that. What I am saying is we got to hold our people accountable too, though, bro. Like, this shit, we have to be like, all right, you sitting here saying, yo, it's all right, fuck it up. All right, cool.

That's not cool, bro. Just that fast, you brought me back to cool to the pretend beef between this podcast and the conversation that we're talking about now ice you're right we do have to hold each other accountable you're wrong because us holding each other accountable looks different than this i'm with you on that it looks like hey my brothers are going through something over there. I understand that because I come from it. Right.

So I'm allotting you grace to go through it and let's figure it out. That's very different from a white person looking at the situation and saying, eh, deal with it, broke nigger. Deal with it. That's the way to land. This is our shit. We'll hire some inclusive black person to act like we like black people what the fuck did Prince Charles

Harry Prince Charles do hey Meg did that interview and the royal people they went and hired a diversity trainer yeah yeah I saw that

Clubhouse was going through whatever they was going through I got in the phone with the owners it's not nuts if you understand it I got in the phone

with the owners in these apps and said yo man if you care about black people last year when we was dropping dead yo you'll hire somebody that in the phone with the owners and he's absent said, yo, man, if you care about black people last year when we was dropping dead. Yo, you're hiring somebody that will help communicate with the black people to understand the black people know what they all say. Hey, that says to me that you don't care or you're not interested in what it takes to care.

That ain't for me to sit around and try to persuade you on. I'm here to deal with who knows what. And whoever don't know it, you deal with that on your own. I'm not going to Miami during spring break, but that's not because I'm 40 years old. I'm not going to Miami spring break. I don't have time to party with these kids. Yeah, that's not happening. I've seen it for the last 10 years when it looks like that.

My little cousin just came back last week, and I'm like, dude, you went down. First off, you went last year during spring break and caught COVID. Who you went down, like, first off, you went last year during spring break and caught COVID. I watched Luda Wayne come out of jail or whatever happened. He put out a song and he told the listening public, live on Sundays,

King of Diamonds Monday. Right. That was the song. And I watched people from all over the country rush to Miami to experience Live on Sunday

King of Diamonds Monday I was hitting people like yo you're not coming home on Monday King of Diamonds beautiful city I'm just saying probably the best football team ever

I hear you what's up is there some more news we can wrap this up we can get out of here man I think I explained our podcast business to a T

hopefully I didn't offend anybody out there Rory and Moe you know the vibes we

built this city I love y'all we love y'all see you when y'all get back here

rest in peace to everybody that we may have lost the business is still a business gotta

work shout out to everybody that's grinding shout out to Wu-Tang Ghost Ray Meth Red

everybody stop Asian hate stop Asian hate. Stop Asian hate, man. Stop it. And to the fans. Stop hate, period. To the fans.

Stop all the hate. Facts. Not Asian hate, black hate. Stop hate. That's minimizing, though. Let love wait. That's minimizing. I don't want to.

I know. True. You're right. Stop Asian hate. Yeah, that's all lives, man. I just want to say to the fans, again. It's not the time for that. I know.

I apologize. It's cool. Let you understand that me and Savon were not trying to displace anybody let us live we

listen we fuck with y'all so we fuck with y'all look at me look at my face we fuck with y'all let us live

we just trying to help everything will go back to the way it's supposed to be hopefully it will you just gotta give us some time man but listen

in the meantime don't kill Ice who's doing us all a favor Rory and Maul included for just picking up the phone and saying if you need me

I'll show up he's not a podcaster don't be mean say Vaughn he's thrusting in his position be nice to the guy he's 27 years old he doubled back to a denver club twice for some pussy he didn't get and he's got a great podcast with alex savon's ass out of here yeah like if y'all i think that's a courtesy that we had a podcaster on reserve able to step in just in case something went wrong

that's a protection it It's a luxury. It's something that you don't take for granted. But be clear. I'm not trying to say that Saban is a replacement for Maul or Rory. And the funnest of this, I know Maul and Rory ain't home thinking that.

Right. I've spoke to them. They ain't thinking that. They feel pretty secure in their jobs right now, right? I've spoke to them They ain't thinking that They good They good They gonna trust me They feel pretty secure In their jobs right now Right They good

You spoke to both of them I speak man Both of them I do what I gotta do I'm the glue my nigga I'm the glue The glue You feel me

But nah yeah Ice To what Ice was saying We ain't trying to Come for nobody job Nah man You just here You explained to them That you're not trying to take nobody's job, right?

Yeah, I let them know. I can't wait for them to get back. I can't wait for things to go back to normal. The Need to Know podcast is a great podcast that Savon runs on his own. He don't got enough time for us anyway. Me and Alex do our own thing. Shout out to Alex and Savon, the Need to Know boys. You can check them out on their podcast Wednesday or Thursday?

Thursdays. Thursdays,s every week you know the vibe shout out to Bridget, Mandy see the thing is every Monday shout out to Karen, Sybil, Ming Lee every Thursday shout out to all the podcasts that we have coming shout out to our guys who helped build this city from scratch

shout out to everybody man shout out to everybody, man. Shout out to everybody. Yo, Joe can't be mad. There's too much good shit going on. There's too much great things happening for everybody, even if we get in our own paranoia and our own jadedness and our own insecurities, our own mental. We get caught up with ourselves sometimes,

and we need our friends to check us. Yo, don't ever think that Joe is above above my friends checking me i know i'm nuts i know you know that's one thing i know i'm nuts it's been years that's one thing i will give joe you can check them you can you can always check joe i know that if i don't get checked then i'm nothing like i'm nothing without my people. But the real people, the people that know me, get it, understand me, that they're not looking to attack me. And you know what? When you feel loved. You know what?

I got to get that to you because, you know, I got to salute you on that because a lot of people don't take that. You know, it's usually some people get into a certain position. And then anybody that says something that's kind of against what they think they're trying to do in a sense of trying to check them they're like oh nah you gotta go there's a lot of people that when they succeed they don't listen to anybody else they only listen to themselves so i i gotta you know salute to you that we can talk to you and tell you like bro you wilding on this so I want people to be able to talk to me. I'm just saying. I got to give you props, son. I know some people out there that if you say something that goes against what they're trying to do,

even if you got their best interests in mind, they will clip you. Yeah, you're right. Like, yo, nah, I don't want to hear that. It's either this way or you out of here. And you ain't been that person, So I got to, you know, salute you for that. Parks, before we go,

you want to tell the people that you're happy? I am happy. I have a beautiful, I have a beautiful backyard to hang out in after the pod. And a beautiful fiance. And a beautiful fiance to hang out with in my beautiful backyard. Life is good. Beautiful everything.

Life is great. Life is great. Erickson, your cameras are beautiful. You're beautiful. Your beard is nice. You're nice. I'm good. Beautiful everything. Life is great. Life is great. Erickson, your cameras are beautiful. You're beautiful. Your beard is nice. You're nice. I'm good.

That's what we got to find out. I'm more than happy. I'm more than happy, man. You good? I'm beyond happy. I'm blessed. Blessed, highly favored, and grateful, man. Odin, I'm planning to sleep when we get out of here.

Let's do it. Shout out to Ghost and Ray, man. Y'all made me do it. Every old song sounds good when y'all talk over it. It's my shit, though. One and only life Ending up just another lost and lonely wife You count up the years

And they will be filled with tears Love only breaks up To start over again You won't get the baby But you won't have your man While he's busy loving Every woman that he can Say I'm gonna leave

A hundred times a day It's easier said than done, but you just can't break away Oh, young hearts, run free They'll never be hung up, hung up like my man and me My man and me Ooh, your heart, to yourself be true Don't be no fool when love really don't love you Don't love you

It's high time now, just one crack at life Who wants to live it in trouble and strife? My mind must be free to learn all I can about me I'm gonna love me for the rest of my days Encourage the babies every time they sing Self-preservation is what's really going on today Say I'm gonna turn loose a thousand times a day But how can I turn loose When I just can't break free

When I just can't break free Oh, young hearts Run free They'll never be hung up Hung up like my man and me You and me Oh, young hearts To yourself be true You and me Ooh, your heart To yourself be true

Don't be no fool When love really don't love you Don't love you Your heart, can't wait They'll never be hung up Hung up like my man and me My man and me Oh, your heart To yourself and you Don't be no fool when love really don't love you

Don't love you Oh, your heart Run free There'll never be how love Ooh, your heart's gone free There'll never be hunger Come up like my man and me My man and me Ooh, your heart's gone free There'll never be hunger

Come up like my man and me My man and me Ooh. Your heart's grown free. Shout out to Ghostface. Shout out to Ray. The whole group of glomery. Shout out to everybody that witnessed versus. Part of history. Hey.

Let me get an air on this. You know I got to stick with street shit. I don't do nothing else. Rob Markman That's street shit though. For that era, that was the street shit. Rob Markman You're right. That's a record that's about to get you stabbed. You gonna get poked on that. That come on and you better watch your back.

I'm gonna go to Detroit this time. Let's go. Baby Face Ray. Oh, you don't know nothing about Baby Face Ray. Y'all are bugging, yo. Nah, nah, nah. You don't know. Hold up. Y'all, this thing on?

It's on. You don't know nothing about Baby Face Ray. Y'all are bugging, bro. Right after ESTG. I'm on Baby Face Race, my guys. Listen, y'all are funny. Anyway, this is off his... I ain't never heard this. Who didn't?

The other day, right? I'm playing If You Know, You Know. Him and Moneybag. Oh, with Moneybag, the feature. Got it. Nah, but they both killed this shit. I'm like, this is my shit. All right, so yeah, this is off his, he dropped his project in February called Unfuckwittable.

And it's Babyface Ray, Moneybagg Yo, If You Know, You Know. He's unfuckwittable. Exactly. Tell me about cool. Yeah. I felt disrespected. No, I ain't chillin', we don't know if it be true Ayy, if you know, you know

If you don't, you broke Five-hour drive to see my guys Cause they want some more Cut them niggas down Because his lies don't wanna hear no more That nigga face is no good Don't let him near your hoe Keep it on the hush

My clipper, if she talk too much I'm trippin' on that boy too much I'm tippin' past it out like Trump Niggas throwin' salt on me like he just wanna fuck She look back and started laughin' I just wanna fuck I ain't got much to say, fuck it, if you play you late Snatch a kid from Circa K, it's Wacky in my ocean spray Project hoe, I spiced her up, she used to rock in Milky Way Had the face, I fixed her body, now she pretty and she paid

This a Ferrari horse, I never had a taste for Porsche How the fuck is diamonds on your buffs? You must come from Detroit Bitch, I put on for the M-Lock then with niggas from the D Every week, me and my sneaky link be at the comfort suite My Garuchas on the red, I took the jet to fuckin' stand by Don't know why you niggas trollin', you a dead guy if it backfire They know I'm the sickest, when I drop I do corona numbers How the fuck you rockin' fifty pointers, never shot a jumper

If you know, you know, if you don't, you broke Five hour drive to see my guys, cause they want some more Cut them niggas down, me cousins because his lies don't wanna hear no more That nigga face is no good, don't let him near your hoe Keep it on the hush, my clipper if she talk too much I'm trippin' on that boy too much I'm tippin' past it out like Trump Niggas throwin' salt on me like he just wanna fuck

She look back and started laughin' I just wanna fuck Look at the ass on her I hit the gas on her I got the ass on her I hit the gas on her I got the bag on her I drip and splash on her Snatch it off the lot and hit the block without the tags on her Nigga drop to one new pop, I oppin', shoot the California Movin' on my toes like a ballerina She tryna suck me dry, call it Vaparina

How the fuck a nigga catch COVID, all that percolina? How the fuck I make it off the hood with all that dirt and scheming? One time for the real niggas who locked down, kept it real Five hoes at Rue, Chris, what you want, I'll pay the bill Niggas say that he hate me, then he basically hate the real Niggas tryna be iced up, having a hard time paying bills Niggas lost in the sauce Two chains came from her cheese and they equivalent divorce

Bad bitches ain't gon' touch you, nigga, go and get the boss I told her bitch don't cross me, so I bought her ass cross Hair on pressure, steppin' Pressure, you can't see the weapon Y'all want that DB11 Pulled up, got flow seats to Braslin' My young boy be hoopin' The other one be shootin' At first, I was a steward We kick as though we lootin' I don't want that DB11 Pulled up, got flow seats to Breslin My young boy be hooping

The other one be shooting At first I was a steward We kick as though we loot If you know, you know If you don't, you broke Five hour drive to see my guys Cause they want some more Cut them niggas down

Because his lies don't wanna hear no more That nigga face is no good Don't let him near your hoe That's what you just told me Oh shit Yeah yeah my fault Yeah that was Babyface Ray And Moneybag Yo If you know you know Off of his I don't know if it's an EP Mixtape album I forget how it works nowadays

Project Project Off of his latest project Unfuck Whittable Shouts to Detroit Alright Alright I got the sleeper right

I told you I was the glue So I had to Do a little research Hit my man Rory For some help Some backup This is Child Sleepwalking It drops today Okay

Exclusives How does it feel walking fast asleep under the moonlight? Don't know what's real or what's fantasy under the moonlight How does it feel walking fast, fast under the sunlight? Open your eyes, it's okay to dream under the sunlight Darling, let'sing Darling, I'm sleepwalking, sleepwalking You're starting to hide me Darling, you're faster than me Under the surface

Of a reality Shining to haunt me I see the master piece Under the surface of a reality How does it feel walking fast asleep Under the moonlight Don't know what's real or sad or sweet Under the moonlight How does it're walking fast asleep

Under the sunlight Open your eyes, it's okay to dream Under the sunlight Darling, we're sleepwalking We're sleepwalking Darling, we're sleepwalking Time to sleep street shit soon here we go i got cory guns different different What's it called?

Different. Oh, it's a new one. 20% of me hates rap. 20% of me loves rapping. 10% of me likes bad bitches who hate rap but love when I'm rapping. 20% of me does drugs. And 20% of me eats fruit. 1% of me eats veggies.

And my other 9% will eat you. Raised inside a warm home. Boy, I miss my old room Before I had my own phone When I first came out the cold womb What was on a slow dome? Ate my stuff with no spoon Blank for days, I just gaze At grandma, play charades, I frown and throw prunes I can feel the money in my chest smoke Just dove in a dead pool, taking death strokes Don't think that my head's screwed, be my guest, folks

I swear I got meds glued to my bedposts And a syrup or a pill for them And they still strong, learned I could take this one, I don't even feel warm And a syrup or a pill for em and they still strong Learned I could take this one I don't even feel warm Be a bitch or a lady? I don't feel for em, kill a shit since a baby I was still born Then I peeled out like a real sprout Wailed out, motherfucker, this ain't no Barney or Milhouse Spoke up, remember I was a joke, but Turned up and now they stuck with they cloak cut Eeny, meeny, miny, milly, meeny, meeny, with your key to pick a heater

Kick your feet up and dope them other niggas, just hit the leader When it's finished, we gon' pull up to the crib and sip a liter Smoke about it if you get it, nigga, cheetah And simply none other than something completely different I am simply none other than something completely different I am none other than something completely different I am simply none other than something completely different Who with a nigga? Who want a nigga? Who did a nigga? Who done a nigga?

Spin a nigga, front a nigga, I ran niggas, run a niggas Kick a nigga, punch a nigga, I jig a nigga I buck a nigga, I rip a nigga, I ran niggas, running niggas, kicking nigga, punching nigga, I jig a nigga, I buck a nigga, I rip a nigga, slug a nigga, I hit a nigga, hug a nigga, left a nigga, drug a nigga, you dig a nigga, I dug a nigga. But if you don't know the math then I got the answer key, nigga you alright, it ain't worth hamster pee, say I'm too aggressive to the ladies can it be, I'm shooting at her feet cause she won't dance for me, I'm a far cry from humanity, I'm par tied from my sanity, and a par tired in the fucking canopy, but the dark side put a fucking tan in me And it slanted me, and it damaged me

But I brushed it off and on canvas me Disadvantaged me, but I managed me Bring a band to me, but they abandoned me So randomly, I was left stranded me But I'm so hot, it's like no fan to me I can't live right, life left handed me Can it be? Young and with no plan to leave Succeeds just so candidly He stood longer than others who tried to stand with he It's over, said, will you stand with me? Now prepare to be backburned on the same backburner That you motherfuckers prepared for me It appears to be, you won't be the same air as me

And I've been nothing but the air of me That's Corey Guns, different Shots my go- I got guns Every time I'm down Mic check, mic check, one, two, one, two Mic check, one, two, one, two Ayy M.A.'s for my niggas that couldn't be here Mic check, mic check, one, two, one, two Mic check, one, two, one, two

Ayy, you know what I mean? It's for my niggas that couldn't be here One that told me speak on it, I'ma speak on it, fuck it It's just my thoughts, I gotta give it up right quick Uh, uh, uh, ayy, think it's upside down When I come, we just just looking like some uptown Actually it's not just this beat, it's that Kendrick Field beat I played in the front Rhapsody intro beat, second album Y'all know the beats I would get to, y'all know them, y'all know them already I hear certain beats

And it be like Rapping Joe Listen man Oh man They almost pushed me To a verse Listen this was cool man Hopefully y'all don't kill

Savon Ice Or myself For thinking we're trying To keep this thing going Without the boys man We know y'all love them We love them

We love them Word Shit Yeah but that That's what can't get lost because we love him fuck this pod fuck this pod life is a series of moments this pod cannot be here tomorrow it cannot exist again like i told more don't we gotta talk anyway hey fuck this pod niggaga Give a fuck Roy shut up Hold up man

Let Belly talk I bought my dream house But I've been having nightmares in it Oh I hate when that happens Savon you been having nightmares In the dream condo over there I've been sleeping pretty good Can't lie

I've been good I've been good y'all Yeah we good We good over there. No nightmares. Just making sure. Just making sure. The game ugly.

Just tell me why you can't love me. Why the fuck you're ashamed of me? I try to keep this thing down under three hours. I'm sorry I failed. And the smartest thing I ever did was play dumb. I'm staying up nights till my day comes. Yo, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there until the next time I bid you a due farewell hasta la vista adios so long goodbye hope to see you soon hope everybody's

doing well that's where i'm at with mine man life is a series of moments and moments past so let's make this one last as if it's all that we have and it just might be You never know Do remember the baddies are insecure The stagnant women wanna travel And the closed minded women want you to teach them things Enjoy your headache, we out Hopefully somebody out there learned something today Subscribe to the Patreon, we'll tell the whole truth over there We'll talk to him

Please pour out a couple of drinks Again, we want to shout out to Belly, we want to talk to him, man We need another one of these on the album whenever it drops I wrote this for the tears that youy. He's definitely giving us this. He's definitely giving us this on whatever drop. I wanna hear it. I want this. And boy wonder, give me the instrumental so I can do what I gotta do on this thing.

Nah, nah, it's a wrap. Yo, I'm sick of you. Nah, nah, nah. You would listen. You cop. I know, I listen. You coppin' that. That's it, though.

If I drop over that. Rapper Joe's done. Y'all can relax. You would listen. You cop. I know. You copping that. That's it, though. If I drop over there. Rapping Joe's done. Y'all can relax. They trying to end podcast with Joe, too. God damn it. That's when voiceover Joe step up.

Yeah, if I get a gig. You could be a good cartoon character. What? Let me hear it. You could be the rain ghost cartoon. No, William. No. This parks. What's happening? This parks. What's happening? Uh. What? Let me hear it. You beat the, uh, rain ghost country. No, William, no! Miss Parks. Miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss,

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