The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 826 | "To The Voting Members"

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

The JBP is joined by Ray Daniels in the latest episode as the room  with beef in Hip-Hop starting with Big Sean, Ab-Soul, & Joey Bada$$’s ‘Red Bull Viral Freestyle’ (15:25). Ray Vaughn responds to Joey’s verse with ‘Hoe Era’ the next day (25:24) and Joey Bada$$ returns fire with ‘THE FINALS’ (44:25). Marc Lamont Hill wants Joe to address the Knicks prior to Game 6 (58:00), the P. Diddy trial continues with Cassie on the stand (1:09:44), and Joe responds to clips from the ‘Joe and Jada’ podcast. Also, Chris Brown’s arrest in the UK (2:23:10), Kelsey Harris’ bodyguard breaks his silence (2:27:44), Halle Bailey has been granted temporary physical and legal custody of her and DDG’s son (2:46:13), and much more.   Become a Patron of The Joe Budden Podcast for additional bonus episodes and visual content for all things JBP! Join our Patreon here: www.patreon.com/joebudden    Sleeper Picks:   Joe | 2 Chainz, Ronald Isley, & The Isley Brothers - “THE ATL EXPERIENCE”   Ice | Don Trip & Starlito - “Mitchell & Ness”   Parks | Benny the Butcher (feat. Styles P) - “Toxic”   Melyssa | Junetober - “Video Fantasy Dream Girl”   QueenzFlip | Big Ro6 - “Decisions”   Marc | Bilal - “Sometimes”

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Yes sir. Bang. Last looks. You know what I mean? Get your last mic checks in. We are greeting America now. Huh? Hello America.

The world. Don't just stop there. Yeah sure. That's the new pod intro since pods can get Golden Globes now. Good morning world. There we go. And universe. And universe.

I am Joseph A. Budden here with Melissa Savannah Ford, Ray Daniels. What's good? What's your real name again, Duke? Trev. Trevor Robinson. Junior. Junior. Trevor Robinson Jr.

Freeze Lamon Jackson. Trevor Robinson. The second? Junior. Junior. Trevor Robinson Jr. Freeze Lamont Jackson. Mr. Parks Richardson. And tell me what you think. That's golden. That's golden globe worthy. Somebody in the back just got to hit us with a. The horns and shit.

Do you think if we go up there they're going to put the music on? For the speech? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Because it's going to be a lot of fun. Somebody in the back just got to hit us with a The horns and shit you think if we go up there they're gonna put the music on Sure for the speech. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. It's all a was gotta get our shit off. Well now I meant to tell you all about that I Was like the billboard shit again, did you

Yes, did y'all see that award ceremony when the Jackson 5 won and Mike was being cool, letting anybody get their shit off, but then he had to kick Tito or Reggie, whoever that was, to the side like, all right, enough now. Somebody will have to sacrifice a speech. Or some time. I'm gonna be real fast with mom, Pauze. All right, not the answer we were looking for,

but that's two down. And you ain't got out the way first. All right. Mel, Flip? I feel like Flip don't have to do a speech, he's just gotta run around and yell. Yeah. Take your shirt off.

Oh, come on, come on, no shirt off. See, that's racist on the Golden Globe stage. That's the problem with you guys, you guys don't respect growth. If you think I'm going up there yelling or taking my shirt off, niggas are rebranding. I'm standing in front making a speech, andiggas is going to be happy to hear the speech from me.

I'm moving people out the way. I'm for Delph. I think you got to do the ODB shit and run up there. Nah, I don't do that no more. I don't do that no more. Well, and Nyla's music in front of that stage. Yo, come on, shout out to Nyla, man. Stop playing with her.

Shout out to Nyla Blackman, but watch your mouth. Nyla Blackman shit at the Golden Globe stage, big flip. Y'all thought this sleeper bag was coming in. What y'all think that Golden Globe bag is in for? Y'all think it should take a long time? Mark is Mark. Is Mark, Mark. Mark, Mark.

ML? This one too. No, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet. What would you say? Mark is Mark. It's Mark. Mark. Mark. ML. This one too. ML. No, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet. What would you say? I think Ish would just go up there and be like, My man, I just gotta take my man.

Yeah, I think my man. No, God has a great sense of humor, so that'll be the moment that Ish projects his voice. It is loud. Shout out to Ish. Shout out to our brother Ish here with us in spirit, man. It's May, so y'all know what time it is. If you're a long time listener.

Don't start that shit. If you're a long time listener, it's May. You already know what time it is. I don't have to say nothing. We not doing that. It has nothing to do with May. People have emergencies and situations that comes up. Well, and you're not here after the main.

Why you highlining me? And Mel's not here today after the main. She's not supposed to be here on the main. And it should. She's not supposed to be here on the main, boy. Talked her way through, I like it, I like it. Now I'm showing up. I thought you were turning over a new leaf.

I swear I was just thinking that. You think she'll call me and text me like, yo, Flip, good luck, but you know. I said it in person. I know, I wanna text. Okay, all right. I wanna document it. You think she'll call me and text me like, yo Flip, good luck. But you know. I said it in person. I know, I wanna text. Okay, all right. I wanna document it. You gotta text.

You wanna screenshot it and put it on the internet. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't do that. Not with her. Well listen, Flip and Mel and Ish have prior engagements that supersede the importance of this broadcast. Why you gotta say it like that? And because I'm so happy for them and proud of them, please fly Robin fly. In the great words of troop, spread your wings, fly away. Okay, thank you.

I accept that. Thanks. You know what I mean? Tyleel and all that. Anyway. Shout out to Ty Lil. We got Ray Daniels in the building. Hey! Make some noise for Ray Daniels in the building. Yo, I just want to shout out Joe for being always solid. Some Virgo shit. I just got to say that. It's important to say. My Virgo brother here, man.

Ain't nothing going on, Flip. Everything is cool. No, you just, no. You showed me your sleeve and said, I always keep one in the tuck. You whispered that to me. Don't do that. Why did you tuck. You whispered that to me. Why did you do that?

You keep antagonizing me and then when I react, you act like you don't know what's going on. You and Poe, when you're recording behind the scenes, I saw that last behind the scenes shit, I'll talk to you about that later. No, I'll talk to him about it, cause some of that shit shouldn't have went out. Like, God damn.

I can't, can I have a team meeting in peace? Then they kicked my back in. Yeah. They kicked my back in. Yeah. They kick my back in. In reverse. I know, I know. Anyway, but you went like this to me. But why?

I always keep wanting to tell the audience why. Okay, I asked you. I asked you. You said, what's Ray doing here? Yeah, what's Ray doing here and who's coming? No, first I asked you who's coming. Like, is it just us? You said, now Ray Daniel coming.

I said, oh, you pulling the move for the main joint or you pulling the move? Then you let that sit. It was silent. Then I'm just looking around. I happened to turn to the left. You said, I always keep my hands forward. But what do you think is the move?

You just try to show. I know what you're trying to do. But what do you think is the move? I don't want to, I don't want to divulge. I just think you pulling the move and I respect it, but you know. Cause Ray is big dog, we got big dog. Big dog in the building.

I swear I genuinely hit Joe was like, yo I'm in town, I would love to shoot. He was like, come through Friday, I set him my flight. It was just simple as that. Ray, there's this thing out there going on. Yo what's up with you? Hold up, wait what's up with you? Wait, hold up, hold up.

There's this thing going on where anything when it comes to Joe has to be seen through the most evil perception that you could possibly take. So why did you do that? Why do you think that is? But why did you do this? What does this mean to you?

I don't know why that is. Okay, what does this mean right here? Will you do that to your man? This right here? Yeah. Come up with something. This lets you know. Yeah, I want it down here.

This means, huh, my sister turning on me? I just, I can't wait to see. My sister in Christ. I can't wait to see how quick the wheels turn. This lets you know, this means, my sister turning on me. My sister is crying. I cannot wait to see how quick the wheels turn. Come on, go, go, go. You're giving them time. That's all you're doing. No, no, I didn't need time.

This means that I've been gotten in three-car money in 42nd Street. This is how they do it. OK. One in the top. Yeah, I just want to say something. It's weird, because as Joe was talking, he was encouraging you all to get something. I swear, I was the top. Yeah, I just want to say something. It's weird because as Joe was talking, he was encouraging y'all to get something.

I swear I was just thinking to myself, y'all lucky y'all don't work for a hater. Y'all lucky y'all work for somebody that don't want, you can work for somebody that don't want to highlight what you're doing on the side, but he's starting to show somebody what you're doing. So you lucky you don't work for a hater. So it's just how you see it.

That's how I see it. Oh shit. He got reinforcements enabled. No, no, no. Listen, if I, hold on, hold on. We're gonna still make jokes. But I'm with Ice, you know, my family, but I'm like, when I hear it, I'm like,

I gotta be honest. Like, I'm here and I'm like, yo, that's fire. Like, I'm in a y'all house and I see the boss basically telling his people like, yo, that's good, go, what you need from me? I'm like, y'all don't work for me. I completely agree, but we're still gonna make jokes. Okay, cool. Let's go, let's make jokes.

I just don't want Queen's flip thing and anything. That's my brother right here. I've been a fan of his for so long, he don't even understand, so I just wanna know, that's why I'm here. There you go, do it, that's how Mark got these niggas too. Encourage them first. Get the guard down, right?

Disarm them, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Mark, lay the blueprint on how you get these niggas. All right, y'all been a good move The look on his face Great show locked up for y'all today Welcome to our gloating globe audience out there Just now tuning in on

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The fuck is they talking about? M.A. this is a family show. This is a family show. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Family trying to hit you, look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. I'm at work. I'm at work.

Are you at work? I love you, but I'm at work. I gotta change the world with the power of my voice. I gotta hit you at another time. I love you. Alright bro, whatever you think. My man, my man. Inshallah. Let's go! Damn, my man, shall I? Let's go! Big male in the building, got you bitches wiped down. No joke, no joke, no joke, no joke, no joke, no joke.

Drops out the way real quick, man. We got a real good time today. A really, really, really good time, I promise. Uh, this. I'm so sorry. You're gonna have a real good time today. A really, really, really good time, I promise. Fuck! Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do Flip and Mel and Ray Ray Ray Ray Ray. All right. Microphone check. One, two, one, two. What episode is this?

826. Welcome to... You know, Parks wants us to be Pat McAfee so bad. Hey man, try to get the Golden Globe, bro. That's right. That's right. That's the goal about it. Them niggas on Pat McAfee be bugging.

They started, we're going to lockdown time. Like they're in unison. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They're a little unison chippy fire. Yeah, they are. What episode? 826. Welcome to the Golden Globe. Welcome to the Golden Globe. Welcome to the Golden Globe. Welcome to the Golden Globe. Welcome to the Golden Globe. up at McAfee be bugging they started we're going to lockdown time like in unison they're little unison chippy-fier yeah they well what episode 826 welcome to

episode 826 of the Joe Button podcast brought to you by Fueled by Powered by Pride Spins Pride Spins Gang salute salute salute I'm your humble grateful gracious so happy to be here host God is so good. My God, oh my Lord, my Lord, oh my, all praise, all praise do first and foremost. We will discuss a lot of dark news today. I want to start with a quick sage of the room, a prayer for those inside and outside of these podcasts, communities, everybody out there in the real world struggling with things. I wish great mental health, physical health, physical strength amongst all of you. Please, please spread that, spread that.

Text someone you love. I don't wish success for you all. I think I'm on the record with that. But for most of y'all, keep rocking. Get this shit up. For the good folks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here with some amazing people to my right.

Hey, stop playing with Melissa Ford in the building. There you go. Hey. The Melissa Ford. V. V. Talk to him. Capital T, capital H, capital E. All right, man, every time you try to get,

all right, all right, all right, all right, girl. She's also in the Pat McAfee vibe a little bit. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that. Next to her, like I said, very special guest, my Virgo brother Ray Daniels is in the building. I was happy to have you. Thanks for having me, Joe. And what's up, Flip? Thanks for having me, Joe.

Queens flip, Queens get the money. Queens is in the building. Big Freeze, Mr. Taken First is here, Park is here, Po is here, Corey is here, Ray Daniels whole squad is over there, like he get a plus seven. But what up, y'all? There's three, but we good. Erickson is there, Ian and Keeb, I think, is here,

and whoever else is here, I don't know, and they're an intruder. Has anybody feeling how you're doing? How's your spirit? Talk to me. Talk to me. What's popping though? A horrible week to be a black man and entertainment Yes, sir, and I'm not opening with that because I'm on positive vibes. Yeah, it's a lot more positive vibes I'm one piece All that good shit. And there's Ratbeef.

Yeah, our favorite shit. And there's Ratbeef. Love it, love it. I'm excited. You too, let's get to it. Let's see, because last time we were recording, they did Joey Badass, Absoll, and Big Sean did the Red Bull freestyle,

which I clicked on it real quick and heard Big Sean getting his and Big Sean did the Red Bull freestyle, which I clicked on it real quick and heard Big Sean getting his normal Big Sean shit off. He killed that shit. Yeah. I feel bad for Big Sean because I feel like every time one of these things happen, he gets overshadowed by us. Every time. Yeah.

He doesn't ask for it. That's, I think, the problem. He's really dope, but he just doesn't ask for it. He just doping and goes away. Yeah, true. Part of it is being dope and saying, you ain't see how dope I was? Like, he don't have that.

Yeah, you right, you right. But he's incredible as a rapper. But between this and Control, I feel like, like his verse on Control was fire, and no one ever is gonna talk about that. He always has his moment stolen from him. Like, right as he's about to just roll out some shit or introduce something or just remind us

of why we love Big Sean so much. Here come the biggest moment in rap of the year to follow it. Right. Yeah. But everyone body. I like Absol's verse. Me too. So now when I got to hearing the rest of this, I'm gonna play it. Should I play the whole thing? Maybe not the whole thing. But we can play it. But who should I skip? Don't make them call me. We can just ride the fader pause. Alright. It's like six minutes long I think. It is kind of long.

Yo, but we on music shit today. Even if that isolates Mel and Flip. It's okay. We'll do our best to contribute. Don't speak for me. I'll do my best to contribute. Oh shit, shit, shit. Oh shit.

Yo. I tried to include you motherfucker, but you know. And you are a lot more hip hop than him. Oh shit. Oh you are. Just by default, just literally by default. Nah, you are, you got that. You've never been in no videos.

I did see a video of you rapping the other day though. No, that was a T-Mobile video. A T-Mobile commercial. No, no, he was on the show rapping. Yeah. You were in show rapping. Yeah. You were in your bag. Yeah. You were doing a lot of this.

Oh, y'all clicked on that show? Yeah, I clicked on that show. I did, yeah. They're not mad. Yeah, you did one when I was rapping against Shorty. I don't remember who you were. Yeah, yeah. I just saw you.

They're not mad. You did good, man. Yeah, you did real good. Who wrote that for you? Myself. What you got to say, positivity highlighter? Nothing at all, man. Yeah.

Nothing at all. That's stupefying. Thank you very much. How could you actually find it? No, no, we good, we good. We gonna talk about this Joey bad ass. Yeah. After the episode.

Hey, big mouth. She set you up, boy. We gonna get into this Joey bad ass shit, bro. She set you up. We'll do that in the bonus episode. Yeah, we'll do that. On bonus. Yeah, to be determined.

Me and you in math. What was it? Potter house. Oh, that's a math, man. I ready to do that to you. Oh, shit. Hey, we gonna do that on a new Potter House episode. Of course you shoot at your niggas instead of the niggas

that's shooting at you. Ooh. Yeah, of course, nigga. Put your gun away. I'm here unarmed. Ooh. I'm here unarmed, homie. Get him.

Get him. Flip. Big flip. That's good. You gave me the right hand now. You gave me the right hand now. Oh, my man. I'm just shining Oh my man.

I do want to shout out the production team on this. Who is it, Pox? I don't know who did the beat, the beat is dope too, but I'm talking about like the content was fire. I think Lyric did it. Oh, our girl Lyric. I'm not positive about that. Who if she lived in New York would definitely be the producer of this show Plus they gon' try to discredit you with your black gold The drop jams went diamond, but my favorite is Andy Stone My drive back, that bitch on cruise control like Haiti Homes Been flippin' out in this bitch since it was camera phones

Know you great when you uncomfortable in your comfort zone Mmm. Oh my God. I love that shit. He bodied that shit. I love it. Sean went off. He did. And that's how you set a cipher off. And I loved, uh, it's very difficult when you're creating this type of content to, like, have real, like, kind of organic chemistry and camaraderie between the MCs. And I loved, it's very difficult when you're creating this type of content to like have

real like kind of organic chemistry and camaraderie between the MCs. And they did it really really well. Where they're talking shit back and forth, they're doing like passing the hat back and forth. It didn't feel corny or like they did it 600 times and you know what I mean? Like it felt real. It felt real. It felt real.

Well, that's where my problem lies. Open it up. That's right there. That was amazing what almost seemed to be choreo, if you didn't know no better, right? Like, it almost seemed like he left this space in the verse for him to pop up, and they carried that out throughout the whole time.

I want to know if they knew who they was rapping with ahead of time. I'm sure they did. It's certain flips in the verses that- I wouldn't be surprised if they actually did this in the studio and then did it live. Boat it together. Mm-hm. Well, I don't wanna talk about how Sausage is made.

Why would Ab do that? Why would Ab do that? Cuz he's an MC. This shit was some- No. Why would he do it? Hell no. This is some fun shit, yo. What? No way. He even explains it. Y'all doing that shit again. He explains it in his verse though. He say it in his verse. Yo, I rock with

doing it. Got the 47 over here and but I'm still TDE. I think that he freestyled some of that verse. He probably freestyled a lot of that verse. That's how Absoil gets down. I think he found out on the spot, man, fuck what y'all talking about. I think he found out on the spot that he was getting dissed. I don't think he knew beforehand that the nigga that been lining us up

for the last hour, ever many months. But Joey wrapped after him. Huh? Joey wrapped after him. So I don't know I'm getting dissed. I don't know his verse. In what I saw, Ab came after him. Huh? Joey wrapped after him. So I don't know I'm getting dissed. I don't know his verse. In what I saw, Ab came after him. No, Ab was the middle.

Ab was the second verse. So when does he start saying, Joey, you put me in quite a predicament? He's talking about, he's responding to Joey dissing the West Coast back in January when he did The Ruler's Back. I know, but when was that? In his verse. In his second verse.

It's only, it's... And he let that nigga diss him at the end? Hell no, man. That was some playful dissing shit. It's playful and it's like, I'm cool with you niggas and ain't no smoke here. Hell no. Are you crazy? This is smoke.

It's not smoke. It's not real smoke. We're rapping. That's what they all, that's the point of this. Is yo, you could just do this without all that extra shit that we just saw last year. You can just do this and we can just pin and go back and forth with each other and it's cool. And dap each other up at the end and everybody go home. Yes, but I don't think that's as friendly as y'all make it out to be. Yes, I agree with y'all. I don't think that it's on get the guns time.

I think the rappers are rapping, which I'm applauding. Yeah. Right, we wanna encourage that. Absolutely. I also think it can get tense in a room or amongst clicks when the rappers are rapping. And I'm the perfect person to probably say that. I was just about to say that.

Like I don't rap, so it's hard for me to see in the inside. He thinks like a rapper also. So I'm like, I don't even think about it. There is that thing where if you know somebody has been dissing you for the better part of six to eight months, and now we're at, what would the event be today? Rolling Loud or fucking back in the day

was Paid Dudes or fucking. Rock the Bells. Rock the Bells. You ain't got to have some number on your phone? Yeah. Well, unless you change it, I know how these niggas be changing numbers. Yeah.

Oh, you want a call? Get to the bottom of it. I know these niggas be changing numbers. Yeah. Oh you want to call? Get to the bottom of it. We ain't got a guess. Their whole point was yo, we just rapping. That's how it felt to me. That was the entire point. It's almost like they reiterating that throughout the whole shit.

Yo, we just rapping. But you gotta understand, it's okay, so it's the same concept. You can say we just potting, but they can be a result from that partying. But if I know. So what I'm saying is that if they just like they rapping and I'm looking at it like you.

So then when Joe goes from the rap perspective, I'm like, oh, but from the inside, you probably looking like, I still ain't gonna let this nigga eat me alive today. So I'm a rap to eat him alive on the verse. That's what he's saying. So there is a sense that we gonna eat each other. It might not be, but we gonna kill each other.

We don't wanna. I'm not from New York, so I don't do pause. I'm sorry. Thanks for catching me though, bro. Thanks for catching me. How long does the pause start? No, you're good. Keep it going.

I'm from Atlanta. I'm just learning the rules, you feel me? But yeah, but that's what I was saying. So when I heard y'all, I'm like, damn, that is true. Like if you wanna eat a nigga alive, I don't wanna hurt you, nigga, but nigga, I wanna make sure they know I'm the best when this shit is over with I want y'all when they get on Joe button pot and they start tomorrow who had the best verse. I want to be me about me. That's for sure

That's that's MC Whether if there was name said or lines drawn or whatever at all But I think with Joe's saying it like if you hear that you in the room and now you like hold on It's like it's like how we started here. Flip is like, what's it up to? I'm like, nigga, I just saw Joe. It's like, I'm in town. But you could be thinking of us, because this is how you,

this is what you do. So I ain't about to get set up on a pod, so I feel like it was more of that. Like, I'm just going to bring my best in case one of you niggas bring their best, and then you probably heard something, and you're like, oh, shit. That's what we doing?

And I understand, y'all. The niggas that's rapping and dissing be around each other, like at the Dreamville Fest and all that. That's what I'm saying. I get that. I think they talked about I understand y'all the niggas that's rapping and dissing be around each other like at the Dreamville fest and all That's right. I get that they talked about this. Yo, all right, you know, I'm gonna go. Yeah, we're gonna go to what's up nigga Let's get it. It's like sports. I want to see you do good But nigga, I want the chip when the chip come though. I want the chip though period All right back to Big Sean That quick overshadow big son again Alright back to Big Sean. That quick overshadow Big Sean again.

Yeah it happened again. Shout out to Big Sean. Hey Sean, with all due respect yo, I know it's gonna hurt to hear hearts. Sorry. Sorry. Hey, hey, We here for something. Big bro. That'll do me like that. All right.

Hold up, hold up. White to lemon cheek, little bitch. All right. Yeah. And your wife, he said I was gonna watch. All right, here we go. Let's do it. I took it easy, man.

Thank you, Big Sean. We appreciate you. We love you. That'll do me like that, man. Come on, man. Come on. Hey, man. Fuck it.

Let me remove the cap. My lady told me, somebody told me that my career was in the trash. Something about missing my window was something I wanted to laugh at. Shattered the glass he was referring to. Cause he ain't got a clue of what I turned into when I entered the booth. Neither do I, but I do know that kryptonite is not an issue. Plus the cable be navy blue. You stuck in the lowest lane, it ain't a murder or a plane.

And I'm rather faster than Werner's Bane Anyway, respect the gang in there This boy is nice You stuck in the lowest lane? Yeah, that boy is nice And you're paper thin like you never banged You don't pay what you weigh and fuck what you even saying Even if you was related to shot but you wouldn't make rank

All my momma, your men are about to just make plank The rules have been checked, I never left In which case, Jokie, you put me in a sticky predicament We get popped out, I got my back back today. Let's go! There we go. Got it, got it, got it, got it. What I saw was clip wrong. Yup.

Alright, let's go. I'm quite the chef, pro-error, the masses that ain't never incorrect. But it's still TDE till 3000 and forever. Light was heavy and rain definitely stepped. But this shit is it, dude? All right, so that makes it worse for me. Now that makes it worse for me. Why? Because if I'm coming with that as a written already, then I need to go last. True.

I have to go last. Okay. I can feel that. I can't do this before the nigga and I ain't heard his verse So I can't give him the window to now come behind me and do exactly what Joey badass did I actually agree with you because what he said there sounds like he heard the verse or knew what was coming in the verse And that should have kind of been the cleanup at the end But yeah, I get why they did Joey because like last as old-school hip-hop shit last verse

The order show Steeler goes rock no The moment yeah And the first verse has to be impressive it has to say which it was It was all three verses were highly impressive the funny shit is Sean should have went last verses were highly impressive. The funny shit is Shawn should have went last. Nah. Shawn should have went last. No. With the conversation that is clearly arising. Shawn goes first. They did this right. Shawn doesn't have enough emotion in his voice to go last in my opinion. He's just a really good MC, but like I think that's why I control one because Kendrick can do that. It's like Shawn doesn't do that. He just kind of raps. So I think that I think

because he doesn't give you that extra Emotion in his voice and times and verses it feels like a great first verse like he's throwing out of you But I don't feel like he dumped that he's a perfect leadoff his rap style. He's a perfect leadoff hitter for this He's gonna get a girl eating cherries under the cherry moon I'll be clear until I see you very soon and order of the verses don't necessarily matter cuz Kendrick was second on control Kendrick is a fucking Jay electronica went third and we don't remember none of them verses don't necessarily matter because Kendrick went second on control. Kendrick is a fucking Jay Electronica went third And we don't remember none of them verses, but yeah, so if you do your job, right? It don't matter where you go styles matter and fights on paper Jay elect. Maybe should have went last on there on paper

But then there's real life which nobody talks about but me because he's fly with hole but anyway And that's Nay-Nay who her favorite rapper is Nah He smoked that that just shouldn't be second. He smoked shouldn't be second You throwing an alley oop to a nigga to fucking just but can we just talk really quick? Because you said something third verse but in the streaming era It almost feels like the end verse now like I don't want to go last. They might not get to my verse Oh, yeah It's that part too is like it was on the stream because back in the day you wanted the last verse that meant you wasn't the god. Ain't no third verse in the stream. So what you just said Ice when you was like nobody heard that verse it's like

because like we toned out after a while. I totally understand that with all due respect if there's one place I never want to hear the words stream and error it's in a cipher. Yeah this ain't even streaming. I was about to say this ain't for that. I like your argument but it doesn't apply to this. No it wasn't an argument it was just a thought process. Stream and error. It's in a cipher I like your argument, but it doesn't apply to this No, it was just a thought process in it. I'm like because when you said the third verse I'm like damn I've been really wanting to tell rappers bring back the third. I'm telling Yo and in a cipher I'm not gonna hold you you be happy when the niggas before don't really cook I'm not gonna hold you. You be happy when the niggas before don't really cook. But they both cooked to me.

Yeah, they cooked though. Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, cypher rules in effect. Oh yeah, now you know. I'm not thinking, hey, put the wack niggas behind me because I need to be heard. I'm thinking let these niggas go first. That's gonna make my verse sound like Jesus. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, Joey. Yeah, let's get to it. Yeah, let's get to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, all right, Joey. Yeah, let's get to it. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, when Brooklyn niggas start any verse saying, BK is the bad time. You know what?

This almost sounds like- And that flow. That's it. The dance move. The dance move. Yeah. Yeah, that's- he just talking right to Ab Soul. It almost like, Sean, you wouldn't even hear hear now. Yeah, BK to Carson. Yeah

Hmm. It's like a man. Yeah Wow, I Think absolutely he's coming to compete with you Right. Yeah, I'm gonna talk to me. So is a better wordsmith than Joey badass I think Joey badass has more presence than absole agree. I think that's fair Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah. I think that's fair. And this verse, he could, this might be one of his best verse I ever heard from him.

Well shit, and the diss. Y'all about to say no. And the diss, he kinda, I can't wait to get to it. We're working chronologically. We're working chronologically. And they choose at the general, but I'm the one who absolute. They absolutely can't compete.

You can't let nobody do that with you. His word flips. Brooklyn! You can't let, you can't let nobody do that with your name. His word flips? Brooklyn! You can't let nobody do that with your name. Joey said in front of him. Absolute. I'm the nigga that absolute. Yeah, nigga.

Right in front of him too, nigga. Salute me. I've gotta snuff somebody now. You crazy? Trying to buy my match but they simply lackin' the heat. Blastin' me, I don't need no one to blast me. Charging to the game, call that shit a catastrophe. This ruler's back, they been trying to measure up.

Look, my name ain't Rick but I talk slick. No pressure, love. And I ain't taking no words back. I'm just a man who's got a gun. I'm a man who's got a gun. I'm a man who's got a gun. I'm a man who's got a gun. I'm a man who's got a gun. I'm a man who's got a gun. Last to be charged until the game, call that shit a catastrophe This ruler's back, they been tryna measure up Look, my name ain't Rick, but I talk slick, no pressure, love And I ain't takin' no words back, I'm an all-out This ain't gotta turn to nothin' else, it's keep it all wrapped

First off, I could never hate the West Coast Since niggas comin' for Joe, fuck it, then let's go Niggas must be the guy with that said on control There's still a bunch of sensitive rappers in their pajama clothes I ain't got no East versus West I just think that I'm the best, as a matter of fact, I ain't no These bars can put bad boys on death row, kinda crazy how I shook and puffed in jail though

Oh, crazy, crazy There's a lot of presence in this verse, our good brother, Dark Lamont Hill just joined us A lot of presence in this verse. Our good brother, Doc Lamont Hill, just joined us. Doc man, Doc man, Doc man. You hear? Is Mark Lamont Hill pussy? Play it. I was talking over it. Play it so you can hear it clearly.

Yes, sir. My boy. Who is that? Is Mark Lamont Hill pussy? Our brother, Mark, has just joined us. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, clap. Look at him.

You happy? Yeah. Clap. Clap at him. You happy? Look. Yeah. Yeah. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap again. His face just walked away. Yeah, look how happy he is.

Look how happy you are. Here goes Mel. Here goes Mel now, down with it. I'm happy to see my man, too. Anyway, how you doing, Mark? And Mel, when did you start turning on Mark like that? What do you mean? I'm not turning on Mark.

You've been a lot of little teachers, pets. There's been a lot of letting him apply Mark to her. I did find that hurtful. Since he started turning on her. They were physically landed on you. Once the drops happened. It happened the other way around. Yeah, you've been shooting that male guy.

The male shot at me first. She did? I might have. It was the drops. Why are you conceding the shit that he say? What you mean you might have? Because it's true. Because I'm honest.

Instead of seeing a woman being accountable, that's amazing. I was about to give you props, I'm like that was accountable. I don't see women do that he say. What you mean you might have? Because it's true. Because I'm honest. Instead of seeing a woman being accountable, that's amazing. I was about to give you props. I'm like, that was accountable. I don't see women do that. Boom. Oh, you're not. Oh, okay.

You know, women used to be like, it wasn't me. She said, I was gonna look at my girl, like, did you hear that? I'm just saying, like accountable. That was amazing. Right on time. This is like the broke clock being right twice. Okay, okay, my bad, man.

I'll see you. I'll call y'all when you do it again. I promise you, if you don't do it again. If there's one thing Savannah ain't gonna be. It's accountable. She's allergic to accountable. The only thing, she's allergic to accounts. I know, I know.

She don't even keep money in accounts. She keeps it under her mattress. Are you gonna keep talking so I can fucking shoot at him? I know the fuck you are not talking, mister. I don't trigger anybody in here on purpose. Oh, she's showing off again. I'm not. Let's go ahead.

I like when you're getting this bad one. Company here, you shoot at that, because he's not going to say too much. I was shooting last episode. And you're right. I just want to ask Joe a question. That is a line that you can get off once you've built your empire.

Mm. OK. OK. Joe, I want to ask you a question. Just so we're clear here. How long do I have to be here before I'm not company? I don't know. I feel like you're family.

I feel like, OK, so it's just him. That's the cousin that don't want me. OK, cool, I got it. And I know who you family. I feel like, I feel like, okay, I do. Okay, so it's just him. That's the cousin that don't want me. Okay, cool, I got it. Now I know who we in the house with. Let's go. And just so you know, he- I'm gonna make you like me, cuz.

He's also done that with everyone that's gotten hired since he's been here. Factual. He's done that. This is my bag. Okay, cool, I get it. It's like a hazing thing. Don't take it personally. Yeah, it is.

Okay, I got you. If you can survive the cast hating you for the first seven months of you getting the gig, then you made it. Then you made it. Come on. I promise you, you can never get under my skin, bro. I love you, bro. I love you too. That's the type of person I am. You can't bother me. We respond and we love. I accept that. I accept that. Let's get back to the gig. Wait, back to our hate. Let's go. Back to hate. Yo, do I have to play the rest of this? No, I don't think so. I want to get to the shits. I don't want to, I don't, yeah, I don't want to do that. Let's go back to hate. Yo, do I have to play the rest of this? No, thank you I want to get to the shit. I don't want to I don't yeah, I don't want to do that. Here we go. Oh You're out order Ray first you got to go Ray Oh Ray with first What are grave mistakes made all over this Yes, Ray responded to that. Oh my god. What?

Oh, there are grave mistakes made all over this thing. That's not it. Yeah. It's signed down, man. Red Bull Spiral. Oh, wait. We're playing the wrong shit again. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Ray Vaughn, hold up. I got you, guys. He jumped out with that. Yeah. Here we go. Because Joey was on his ass during the first stream. Here we go. Sorry about that. Throw tomatoes at the DJ that. Yeah. Here we go. Because Joey was on his ass during the first week. Here we go. Sorry about that.

Throw tomatoes at the DJ booth. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, somebody bumped the table. Let's go, Gray. Okay. Okay. This is hard.

Yeah. Hey, hoes, you stupid or you dumb? Popping it to spin about a 20 V1. Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun?

Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, hoes, you finishing your bun? Hey, how is your stupid or your dumb? Popping it to spin about a 20 V1. Hey, how is your finish or your done? We don't give a fuck where you from, where you from. Uh huh, okay, what's up? Shut up.

Uh huh, okay, what's up? Shut up. He took me out to Elvin right there. No, no, no, that's just a hook. He gets into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, but he shouldn't have did that right there. I agree. I agree.

He lost me. Because my first listen, I'm like, this ain't gonna do it. Yeah. But he made up for it. No, his bars are dope in there. He made up for it. I am gonna press play, but I've never heard this. So this is a, I'm listening and critiquing it real time.

It does sound like he's trying to catch one. Yeah. Absolutely. And I don't know how long you watch the- It sound like he's mimicking not like us yeah trying to catch that West Coast bop this record over that hey West Coast niggas how long do y'all want this to run that's me asking a valid question um I like the West Coast run right now but I love it too too. They don't need to start doing this though. I want Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is too derivative. This is diluting of six months ago. Not even six months ago But now and I'm sure Ray Vaughn about to get his ass on

Tough style to beat though. I talked all that shit, but this is a tough style to beat Yeah, like when you have your region behind you this way like and you got to deal with that You know, there's a way to beat it You do exactly what he did you go get your region and you wrap the way that you're supposed to wrap from over here And that's why I was thinking when you said how long this is gonna last. I've been encouraging I've been every time I go out like if you go west coast rap like that take this Kendrick moment and create the sound because that's what Tia Did for Southern music? I was saying fuck fuck just the west coast. I think Regionalism and hip-hop is amazing and I like to bring it back and hear it all the time. I agree with that exactly West Coast getting season, now you heavy on the sock Catch him at the Staples Center, bet you I'm a spurt Goofy don't let power get your TV turned off

Nigga white, you been running 10 stepas on the top Nigga it's fucking trash bands just for you to put them raps in Conductor got you sounding like you in a jazz band Why you going out the door, he think he Pac-Man CJ like 40 and he on drugs That was hard, that was hard Yeah, yeah You gotta admit when West Coast niggas get on that beat they shine man

There's something about that beat and when they Really exactly Use it. Yeah, exactly. He's going off. That was hard He ain't done. Yeah, you're going after that. I think he packed man I put the whole pro era on a pro club Ay hoes you stupid or you done? Poppin' it and spinnin' by the 20 V 1 Ay hoes you finish or you done? We don't give a fuck where you from, where you from

Uh huh, okay What's up? Shut up Uh huh This shit is hard though. I see why he put a hook on it He should have repeated it And when he did it the first time, I was following he shouldn't went somewhere else but he repeated it twice. I felt lazy to me like oh you could have put the trick daddy and you should have just went somewhere

else but you stayed there. I think you should have stayed on the trick daddy longer really. The niggas in that studio wouldn't allow him to not put that again. Fly that. Yeah. Fly that. Are you crazy the energy in this studio right now? He rapping like that to beat his date. Yo fly that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fly that. That's a hard part of the hook. Are you crazy? The energy in this studio right now? Oh no, niggas was off. He rapping like that to beat his date. Yo, fly that and this cannot go out with just bars. Yeah. Yeah.

God damn it. That's the hard part. The hoey part I don't really like. Nah, I don't like that he did it. Yeah, the trick daddy shit was hard though. Hey, what's up? Shut up. Niggas won't smoke, I'm a vape blower.

Walk around with line on me, feel like I'm in grade four. I can send him to the stars, he can pay for it. Standing next to Soul ain't gon' save yours. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, Ray Vaughn. All right, Ray Vaughn. All right, Ray Vaughn. That was so good. He's going crazy.

All right. It's on your album, because it's fire. Standing next to Soul ain't gon' save yours. My favorite line in that shit you didn't even get to never get to he said you watched you ain't carrying no torch You let ice spice turn into the king of New York, man He's playing on very long just trying to be funny ice spice is not the king of you but in the Exactly, I said most famous New York And for that two months that it looked like she was about to be lotto went and rented 50 suburban

Drove right over there To the Bronx We never heard another word It was a wrap Yeah Sorry And shout out to Icebites but Sorry

We don't give a fuck about where you was or where you at See the fans only know you for the acts not the blaps I know where you was and you was never on the map Look I see the one eye open I'm in future I'm my old heads I ain't try to school you let me do the honest Yo don't flag my broadcast I tried to never be in drugs Don't flag my shit! BAM! Woo!

That's the hook part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that should've been a hook. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that should've been the hook. Niggas on the screen, Ray Wappa. Quit to turn a nigga to a roll out. Heard they move the goalposts every time we show out. Here's to line convo, it really is a blow out. That didn't respond, now you tryna call a cold out. You shot. Okay, I'm not gonna lie to you.

He went the fuck off. He did. There we go. Okay, all right. I cannot tell a story. There we go. He absolutely went the fuck off. There we go. I cannot tell a story. He absolutely went the fuck off. And this beat is beating and it's doing some A-Rap shit. The part 24 hours later.

Yeah, real quick. Real quick turnaround. I think you gotta be emphasis on that. Yeah, I do. Nah. Dog. That ain't easy. It ain't like I had this in the tuck just sitting here

I I heard when he had in the talk, but I heard you know I didn't hear you I heard my man called me My man called me. I didn't hear nothing my man called me as soon as that shoot was over my whole camp knew As soon as that Red Bull camera stopped that you was on bullshit. It gave these niggas time and he's fast He did this last time. He popped out. Yeah, he did. I appreciate that. I'm just saying, I appreciate that. He went, I'm with you.

I'm with you, Freeze. This is ridiculous. Off. No tweets, no. And by the way, when a nigga from the West Coast rap on that beat, it becomes like, yo, I'm telling you, they should use that style. I was with you.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. If you're nice, you should do it, yeah. He took off. He took off. Hey, Howie, is you stupid or you dumb? Popping it to spend about a 20 V run.

Hey, rock him, stupid ass nigga, think he rock him. TDE superstars, jealousy, he locked in. I didn't push so many caps, I go to med school. Bullets flying by, sound like sounds on a Neptune. Thought the beef was lifestyle, really here with Deadpool. For that energy, I gave you wings once I rappled. Sorry, no, sorry, she was weak, pardon me. Pardon me, you made a whole EP, coppin', please.

Coppin' what? Black man, let him breathe, let him breathe. Now fuck that, she was weak, pardon me. Pardon me. You made a whole EP coppin', please. Coppin' what? Black man, let him breathe, let him breathe. Now fuck that, hang up from the popular trees. He had your food like he do it for the spurt. For the spurt. Snoop Dogg kickin' over his little foot. Hey, bitch you watch, you ain't carryin' no torch. You let Ice Spice turn it to the king of New York.

What the fuck? Get active. Get active. Stop active. That's hard. Okay. Yeah, he got big. Salute to Red. He went crazy. Both of us. He absolutely took off. Okay. He went crazy.

Both races. He absolutely took off. Okay. And then? And then? 24 hours later. The finals. I like this beef. I ain't gonna lie. It's a fun beef. This is a cool, fun,

friendly, competitive beef to show a skill set. With rapping motherfuckers too. Yes. Because of the beef, everybody's listening now. So now your skills are really being shined. It's like, yo, it's crazy. It's good for hip hop.

Before I play Joey's response, where does everybody here stand on Lil' Bro and your opponent who might be a greater MC? Where do you stand on, hey, this nigga never had a song, we don't know him, he's not visible, he got no traction, he got no bitches, his label don't care about him, I made more money for his label than he did,

that's what I told Saigon, I ended Saigon. Saigon, what up? I think it was Saigon. I absolutely finished Saigon. Saigon is my man, think it was Saigon. I absolutely finished Saigon. Saigon is my man, but he got finished. He's on my hit list. Uh. So did Saigon though.

No, but no, I peaced it up with all my beats. Yo, it's rap shit, it's just rap shit. It's just rap. You got me, that's all it is. Right, I mean it may not have been just rap shit at the time, but at 45 years old, I've peaced up all my rap music. Yeah. And I ask y'all this because I heard a lot of that from what Joe we had to say,

I'll play it for you guys. But where do y'all stand on that angle? I ain't mad at it. I love that angle. He's got 10 years on Ray. So I think he should lean into that. Sound like New York. Yeah.

Let's play the region game. We gotta play with your home court advantage. Sound like New York. Yeah. Let's play the region game. Sound. We playing it. You got to play with your home court advantage. Sound like New York. What the hell say you? Stand up. I'm bad. Oh, yeah.

New York intro. Nicks in the six, nigga, a joke in one. What kind of top dog is you? You more a shit-shoe. Oh, Rapper before the drums. Cone in the lab dog, you artificial. You known for your label, not because you're artificial. And I ain't gotta talk about how broke you are to fix you. Drums. Uh oh. Eeeeee!

This is crazy. This boy want them. Let's go now. Yeah, let's rap. Good, let's rap. I used to not stick pups, nigga, you gon' see You walking up the wrong street, think you're fuckin' with me It's about time, top, let your ass show for the least Time for five years, yet your biggest moment for me

See, I don't care how great of a rapper you are. If I get to little bro you for the next three minutes, it's effective. It's effective. It is. Especially if some of the shit I'm saying could be looked at as a little factual. Yeah, for sure.

Like, I ain't just making this shit up. No, it's fair to say that it's factual. Like, Ray is just, he just came up. He just came up. You can say, Joey's been here 10 years. You can say that. 10 plus. No, and he's saying, signed for five years

and I'm your biggest, like. Yeah. But look at it from a sport place. If you started here 10 years, you can say that. 10 plus. No, and he's saying, signed for five years and I'm your biggest, like. Yeah. But look at that from a sport place. If you started here, right, and we all started as rappers, and now you go off and be a supermodel, famous girlfriend, you in Gucci commercials, the MC, the hungry nigga on the floor is like, oh, this nigga is slipping. So it's almost like, I'ma attack the nigga

who I don't think is in game shape. He's pin-knife sharp no more. Yeah. So, and by the way, because he know he ain't in game shape, he has to respond. And that's kind of like, that's how it works. Yeah, it's the play. It's the play for both sides. Both win, but by the way, this is good for Joey because now he can show, nigga, don't

think there's so many commercials that I don't do this. So it's really great for both sides. Why is Joey doing it? We just seen him beat a nigga up at the Peli Peli store. Right? We just seen him beat a nigga up at the Peli Peli store. Right, we just seen Joey Badass at the motherfuckin' Averix store, tightening some screws up. You on TV, you in love. Get into it, man, fuck it.

That nigga's skin is still beautiful, pause. Sometimes you just gotta remind niggas. There's a lot of motherfuckers that I don't think are familiar with how well Joey Badass can rap. It's hard to remind someone when you're not provoked. Because then it's like you're being a bully. So it's almost like you needed somebody to challenge you to get in. Okay, okay, okay, let's get down and fight now.

I think Joey also, everyone always thought that he could rap well and stuff like that, but he was never known as like, oh, he's a killer, he's super nice, ah, ah, this is his chance to show that. And be clear, Joey popped this off. So now, it's not like I'm just, I popped it off and I went ahead over here. I'm answering the call, anybody got something, oh you got something to say, cool, I got one for you.

Daylight, I heard you, I got something for you too. You gotta remember Joey too, he was like a bat, he was like a child star damn near, he was young as hell when he came out. He was a teenager. So this is his chance to show y'all I'm a fucking grown killer I thought he was way older like he is my son in the magazine. How is he this young? Yeah, and I see the kid Yeah, he was he was a teenager wins in 1999 drop and you know what I will say that I like about 2025 and forward I

Like that there's a new crop trying to establish themselves as the killers. The new bulls. Like the niggas that we know are grandfathered and great grandfathered and they shouldn't even be spoken about. This new crop of niggas who kill and who don't? Who's here for just the cosmetics of this and who really is about that action? I like Joey saying, yeah, I'm here. I'm with it. I like it.

I like it. Although I did like hearing Styles beat Pop and Shit the other day. That was amazing. I loved that, bro. I like hearing it from OG's too. You said Jim Strait. You did.

Hey Jim, Jim is my mate. Set him straight. You heard it? Points for mate. So gentleman-like, just like a gentleman though. That's what I love. No, we're not the same. You don't think that, do you?

I was like, yo, he did it in such a nice way. He was like, you couldn't be offended by it. It was like, oh, that's true. It was always like, he said it had to be true. But that's gonna be the old age. That beef is never gonna leave the, I have more commercial success than you versus I am C. And you don't yeah

That's gonna outlive all of us. I like it style said that's just straight. No, he was like, yeah dog I forgot more runs. He started talking about you can't fuck with the niggas that just been juicing Versus Jim pull-ups It's gonna be style juicing versus gym pull ups. It's a healthy, we got a healthy battle. Yeah, loaded lux to mediate that shit. All right, back to your badass. Oh, man. Oh, man. Let's go, Joey! I need to go crazy, son. And he got two minutes and 19 seconds left.

Yeah, we all got to put it in the old game. He's not going to stop. Yeah. He's not going to stop. This is fun. He went crazy. This is fun. I love it.

Reason's got involved now, fun. I love it. Reasons got involved now too. I heard it. So we'll maybe cover that next week. Shout out to Reasons. Reasons, man. Yo, this ain't a jump. It is a jump.

It's a jump. Well, no, it's not a jump. He's a dress. He said my name too, if I'm Reasons. Daylight can hop in this too, Paul. Daylight, he was in that Cypher. He was shooting at Daylight. Daylight, I don't like what Daylight did.

I didn't see what Daylight we posted a picture Joey badass brother on his Instagram rest in peace yeah that's right this is right yeah nobody's disrespected nobody it was strictly rap and then and you ain't responded with no bars or nothing you just put a picture of his brother well he has responded not to the cypher daily's not a lot of rapping and Joey badass unless you're having too much fun to do shit that'll get you punched in the face. Yeah, don't do the serious shit, Joe. That was unnecessary.

Let's be cool. We want everybody to be able to walk the red carpet at the award show at the same time. And I'm gonna invite all y'all when we get our Golden Globe. That's true. I'm back. When we get our Golden Globe, come on, y'all. Y'all gotta know how to act.

Yeah, come on. I ain't gonna do y'all like Melissa Savannah Ford, win a Gracie Award, fly out to Atlanta, or LA, I'm sorry, to accept a Gracie Award and not invite her brothers. Yeah, that was crazy. Wait, there was a ceremony? Mel won't be here for our Patreon, Mark. She's leaving. She's leaving on the first thing smoking

because she has to prepare to accept her Gracie Award. You wanna start your speech now? Wow. And then tell, like we wouldn't support her. I haven. Do you want to start your speech now? Wow. And then tell, like, we wouldn't support her. I haven't written it. I haven't written my speech yet. Are we going to be in it? Oh, shit.

Wow. Maybe there's a possibility. Like I said, I haven't written it. It had crossed her mind. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No, for sure. Daisy's not going to be in the speech. We might not make the speech. I'm going to do my best to work y'all into it Daisy's not gonna be in the speech.

We might not make the speech. I'm gonna do my best to work y'all into it. We wasn't gonna make the speech. Why don't you just tell us so we can support you though? Yeah. Because I just, listen, I was given one ticket. I've just. We get our own tickets. We get our own tickets.

We're not broke. I just didn't think that you guys would make the trek to LA. We love LA. And spend the week. I love LA. Shading Utah. The several hundred dollars on the ticket. I've spent several hundred dollars on bullshit.

Word. It's a fact, true. I spent several hundred dollars on the big titty AI white girl a couple months ago. What are you talking about? You think I won't give it to you? I mean- You think I won't use it to support you?

Okay, you, I stand corrected. I stand corrected. We didn't I stand corrected. I stand corrected. Shirts made, like we could have really. Hot and bothered hoodies. There's still some time. There's still some time. Hey, hey, hey. Okay, all right.

All right, all right. I'm over it. I'm over it. All right, next year. Why did you say they only gave you one? Why you ain't tell them, yo, I'm not coming if I can't. The team ain't coming. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, that was not gonna happen.

And I wanna go. I'm absolutely going. I wanted to go when you won. Like, I don't wanna go next year. I'm gonna win next year. What award is it? It's called the Gracie Awards. Okay.

Yeah, Awards Women and Media, it's their 50th anniversary this year. Oh, this year, you should have a team. Yeah, definitely. If it was some personal stuff, I would have been like, y'all are wrong. Well, I'm definitely gonna win. But it's some media shit, y'all should be there.

Exactly. This is the first of many, so y'all are- So you think you're gonna be a back-to-back Gracie Award winner? You think you're gonna be a back to back Gracie award winner? You think it's gonna be like a season of Hot and Violet? I absolutely do. Okay. Yeah, I've also like put into the universe that I'm gonna have an NAACP award.

Wait, what did you say? It's some shady shit. What did you just say, Mark? What? I was just trying to follow the flow of the conversation. I just woke up. I'm sorry. It was an honest question.

It was a sincere question. You said you'd get an NAACP award too? Can we go to that? Oh, we're fair going, C-Hunt. I'm manifesting that. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I will say is this. I want that same grace extended if I shoot at you because the grace that you extended, because he's a doctor, because he's got a PhD, is getting ridiculous and I'm going to stop it. What happened?

You've been shooting at me for two and a half years. So what? Stop, enough. If you're new out there, we always act up in front of the company. We do. That's when we really. up in front of company. We do. That's when we really- In front of family. That's when we really show our ass.

I graduated. We can fight. Family company. Family in front of family. Family that can walk to the fridge but don't exactly know where everything is. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shots, shots.

It's like your first time. Predictions on how this Joey badass Ray Vaughn shit is gonna go, Free. This seems like it's gonna keep going. Yeah, more rapping. Yeah, that's it. Who do y'all have up right now? Joey.

Although that ratio was hard. I can't lie, that ratio. Only I'm gonna say Joey, I mean, Ray is because I think he benefits way more from this moment than Joey does. And he's got a great upper. Like literally, he really killed that shit. Like, that was crazy. He did got a great album. Like literally he's like, he really killed that shit. Like that was crazy.

He did. He did. But just in terms of the bars, like right now I got Joey up. Home Call Advantage. We in New York. We supposed to. And that Ray Vaughn album is incredible. It really is.

It is. I went back to take a listen. I ain't gonna hold you. He might, he might, I like where he stands just off the strength of that. Like if you got a great product that you could direct people to, that's a great time to go get in the middle of a beef. Especially with somebody that's gonna keep it going with you. He ain't gonna ignore you with none of that.

And then young niggas could join, like you said, so like if it could be a little nigga, it's opportunity. That's how it was back in the 2000s when everybody was beefing. You would see a nigga, Smite go at Hov, you see a nigga that wanna show Hov he with him, he's shooting back, it's like that's the way it works. That's how everybody thinks of him. They didn't play like that with me back in the day, just to make myself clear.

Cause Joe, you had a hit. They didn't make, nah, that ain't why. That ain't why. I jumped on these boys' asses out there, pause. I jumped in my hands. I didn't leave no room for indirect, direct, you, your camp, your mans, everybody got it. Joe responded to shit that he thought was about him.

Yeah. But hit me out though. They weren't talking about you, dog. But hit me out though. But when you a little nigga, you see one of your, it's different. Joe, I'm telling you, he hit, he got a hit. So now as he dissing us, you up there, nigga.

And you got hit. God damn. So it becomes more valuable, the diss becomes more worth it because now it's like, this nigga's already got a hit. By the way, everybody's trying to get a hit, so he had it, so he didn't have to when you still did it, that's what made it more diabolical I think. I ain't played with you niggas back there, anyway.

You had to hit nigga, he's like, you got the damn, why you fucking with us? But I like the synergy, I like the synergy in hip hop. Me too, me too. Shout out to the whole TDD, shout out to Ray Vaughn. And it sound like they all wanna keep it cool, that's the best part. They know we talking love it. Me too, me too. Shout out to the whole TV. Keep it cool, man. Keep it cool. And they sound like they all wanna keep it cool. That's the best part.

I agree. They know we talking about it, that's what they get. This is number one hip hop podcast talking about them. They won, that's the whole point of it. Not just hip hop, shout out to the Golden Globes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Word, word. That's the number one, I'm sorry for disrespecting my family.

Yeah, we go, all good. Or 49, depending on what y'all do look at. Uh. Yo, I wanna shout out the producers though. Both of them beats. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, you have no idea how frustrating it is when you in the middle of a war with somebody

and you go to producers for the beat packs and nothing is matching your vibe. So for them to have beats in the tub, love it. Absolutely love it. Okay. Joe, can I ask you a question? Sure you can. I got here late. I know that you have been home. You don't trick me no more, buddy.

I know you trying to line me up with whatever you're saying right now. I am absolutely not. This is an honest question. No, but it's not. The line up's coming later. Okay. This was a basketball question. Did you start, I came absolutely not. This is an honest question? No, but it's not, the line up's coming later. Okay, yeah. This was a basketball question.

Did you start, I came here late, did you start the show with a whole bit? Nope. No. Nothing. No. Y'all let that go? Y'all let that ride?

Yeah, we did. So can we at least address the elephant in the room? Cause we had to sit through like 30 minutes of shut the fuck up Everybody knew nothing all that shit. Can you please speak to your punk ass New York Knicks right now? Everybody who shit the bed should shut the fuck up right now Everybody whose team had a chance to go to the Eastern Finals and didn't do shit. She shut the fuck up right now He right everybody who watched had a chance to go to the Eastern Finals and didn't do shit, should shut the fuck up right now. You right.

Everybody who watched Jason Tatum injured and the Boston South completely hobbled, and all they had to do was beat a terrible-ass, broke-ass team and go to the Eastern Finals but didn't do shit, should shut the fuck up right now. That's what should happen right now. Is that right, Joe Button? Is that right, Joe Button? Joe Button? Is that right Joe Button?

Joe Button? It's Marked in my head pussy. Exactly! What's that nigga name that ran point for the Celtics? He don't even start? Bob Cousy. Might as well have been Bob Cousy running around y'all bitch asses. Y'all gave 34 to a nigga that had 4 last game.

How the fuck that happened Joe Button? How the fuck That happened Joe button My check my We want to end it at home, nigga. Watch your mouth. We want to end it at home. How you gonna end it at home, nigga? How you gonna end it at home when this nigga's going to the game?

He's not, though. He's not. He's not. Oh! What's up with this nigga? Mic check one, two, one, two. The fed jokes didn't work? Mic check one, two, one, two.

You can't go to game six. Yo, watch your fucking mouth, ma. He's turning it up. You can't even sit in the button seats? Oh, shit. Let's get it. I'm working on Friday. Let's talk. Let's talk. We want let's get it. I'm working on Friday. Let's talk

Let's talk we want to end it at home. That's all I know. Oh You it's going to happen. Oh nigga, New York We want to end it on the field 25 years niggas been coming tonight Period! Why that nigga talk to him? Cause he a doctor nigga! He from Philly! NIGGA! He from Philly! The house is in a kiss! NIGGA! We got grass! We got grass!

They still got the train in the street nigga! Except my niggas in Philly, King Erna, Leap Maw's, I love you nigga! But they still got the train tracks in the street nigga! And the horses! We patched that! They do got the horses out there. Please nigga! New York, Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island!

Talk this nigga, Joe! He can't say shit! Tonight the game will be in play! Tonight the game will be in play! Mic check, mic check. One, two, one, two. He's about to get Cain Marcus. Pardon me, pardon me, pardon me.

He's filling up his 76ers. Me too, though. I'm shutting the fuck up. Don't be distracted by the voices of fans of lottery teams. You guys should be out scouting high schools and colleges right now. You have the third pick and you ruined all your other picks. Shout out to Ace Bailey. Yo, real quick.

I'm a Nick fan for a long time so I'm not going to manipulate the airwaves and jinx my squad. I want to continue to have a healthy respect for our opponent. But we haven't closed out a series in the Garden in 25 years. Mmm! And with this golden opportunity, up 3-2 against the defending champions Oh now they're the defending champions

When he was kicking that, kicking ass last week, they was the worst team ever We would beat them if we were the defending champions Pardon me, pardon me, pardon me Forgive me sir, I'll mute up Now that we have a chance to close out the defending champions Right there on 7th Avenue in front of all of the great Knicks in front of the Dolans the Kardashians the Joes The Joes, you know I mean We won't be able to see the game by the time this comes out, but I anticipate that we close out

Right now Chris thatapsport Zengis should be getting some steroid shots or something to help him with his breathing I know he's had trouble we want him to be well Tatum is our brother he had the surgery we want him to be well. If you Celtic fans are hanging your hat on the Lou Kurnett game where he had eight blocks and eight points and eight assists or the Derek White game. 34 right? 34. Then we'll see. I like our chances. I think the Knicks are the better team and I do anticipate we close out the defending champions tonight. What happened to all that Nixon five shit that you're talking 6? No, no, no, but the question, sir, is what happened with all that? You talked all that shit.

You all supposed to go on Boston Bees. How'd y'all shit the band this bad? Sleeping. Sleeping. Sleeping. So much traveling with the playoff schedule being every other day. Right. Sleeping, tired.

Some niggas was fighting with their girls. Some niggas' girls went through their iPad and shit. You know what I mean? Before they had to have a little fight. You never know. Some people just sleepy, but I think we'll be fine. I think we'll be fine. Hey Mark, we sixes fans, you know that though, right?

I know, but sometimes we gotta shut the fuck up. I took it last game. No, we still gotta shut the fuck up. So if they lose again, you still ain't gonna talk shit? We can't talk shit. If they get eliminated, you gonna talk shit? To who? We ain't get there. Seattle mean nothing to me. I'm good. Only cuz he is. I talked it. I took the L, but now you can't talk this crazy about the Knicks and then they shit the bed

You don't say nothing. And the subway series starts in New York this week and New York should be absolutely on fire this week Yes, yes Really traffic was horrible. Yeah, that's why traffic was so crazy There's a rumor that you're not going to the game no Didn't I thought you bought game six tickets. I did what happened sir You share you share with the crowd or is that present private? I mean right this One thing so you can't jump his ass if he went to that game and they lose he not gonna make it out Yeah, you might be the least popular Nick fan ever if they lose. Yeah

You gotta stay home. Yeah, gave the tickets to my dad and his wife. Oh, I like that. That's dope. I mean, let them experience, experience. Cheddar Ross. Gluzies and stuff. Playoff atmosphere in the garden. I mean.

Shout out to you, good man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody here gotta keep in touch with their dad. And someone who's rooting for the Knicks. Oh, thank you. Shit.

Shit, man. Oh, shit. Somebody on this broadcast gotta keep a healthy relationship with their dad. And someone who's rooting for the next. Thank you. Shit. Shit. Somebody on this broadcast has gotta keep a healthy relationship with their father. Wait, hold on. So, all right. I hit him on J-Pay. We good. Who said J-Pay?

If you do it on J-Pay, I hit him, we good. Don't do that, man. Low pop, man. You hit that, say how to max. Free pop, man. Free pop. Free pop. Free pop ice.

Free pop ice. Free pops is good, man. P Free Pop Ice. Free Pop Ice. Pops is good man. Pops is straight. Alright, it's time for my favorite part of the show. And Mark, we getting back to Mark's jokes too. I don't want people to think we stepping on the jokes. Yes. Let all the jokes fly. But what was I saying? Oh, it's time for my favorite part of the show. Prize picks. Alright, prize picks is the best place to turn your sports knowledge into real cash money. With millions of members, prize picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all.

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right after the game. Or before the game. Or before the game. If SGA get it, I want Joker to just go nuts. Take it personal. Take it personal, right? Now, who do y'all have winning the MVP since I'm here? I know you're a big Joker guy. SGA. I think SGA is going to win it. It's a narrative thing. Yeah the narrative is SGA should win but Jokic, he won three years already and this is his best year. This year is better than all three of those years by far so technically he should have it but the NBA follows stories. The story matters in them so it's SGA time. It should. By the way they need SGA because Jokic is a huge star but but he's not marketable. As great as he is, he's not, like SGA at least got some sauce to him, so I think the NBA needs him to be the face right now, at least right now. I like the new swag movement in the league, pause, but SGA and like, you just looking at niggas

with some sauce out there, so I do like that. And some people believe that Shaw should have got it one of them years that Joker got it. Exactly. They tripping on that, but I get it. Joker just doing shit that's unprecedented. I've just never seen anybody play basketball. I think it's the most unique basketball player

I've ever seen in my life. I can't believe that he does what he does. Like he's shack sized and just shoots, like it's crazy. But that's the goal for the evolution of the game itself and the evolution of an athlete. You know what I'm saying? For sure. That's all that's- Some of it's the? For sure. Some of it's the era. Yeah.

Some of it's the era, but I'm thinking about like Arvita Sabonis and people back in the day who had these unique skillsets. If they played in this era, they would look very different. You know what I mean? If Giannis played back, you know, it's an age old argument, but I think some of it's just the era. But watching him play, I've just never seen anybody

pass the ball other than maybe Sabonis and a few other guys from that position like he does. I don't fuck with him really because I like my center to be a center Mmm, and he's and he's a guard. He's a point guard. It's over for that. Yeah. He's a point guard What centers are centers now? Yeah plenty of centers are centers Look at the remaining teams in the league go bad the Knicks with Mitchell Robertson go for every team every team remaining has a center This tracers have a center Cleveland had a center even though they out of here everybody remaining has a center So there's some talks about that coming back the big man. I hope so Teens are playing double bigs. I would love for that to come man

Yeah, but basketball again if that comes back. Yeah, okay. See it's playing double bigs True to seven for this. Yeah, come on. Although Chet plays a little more. Yeah, but he's a seven-footer. He is still. He can still go on the pain and block a shot. Yeah, true. He can still. And give me Jay Will.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. Spotify, Spotify, we was hacked, nigga, we ain't got none of that shit. None of the numbers. Um, okay. Tossing it to our, tossing it to our girl. Yeah, hold us down. Big Mel. Gracie, Gracie. Show them why you got that Gracie Award.

Gracie Award winning Mel. Okay, so today marks the fifth day of Sean Diddy Combs' trial. Cassie is still on the witness stand. This, I believe, is her third day testifying. And she's been handed over from the prosecution to the defense, so they've been really just kind of like hammering home certain points.

Yes, we admit he's an abusive piece of shit. However, the charges are, sorry, what are the charges? The charges are, sorry, racketeering transportation to engage in prostitution and sex trafficking. So they're trying to say that one doesn't equal the other. The one thing that I want to kind of highlight is how consistent she has been with her testimony. It's been very, she's been delivering her testimony with a very just the facts, ma'am,

kind of tonality, which I think is really important because obviously the questions that she's being asked, she's being asked to relive trauma, and she's being asked to read text messages that seemingly contradict her claims. And she's still doing it in a very succinct, very matter of fact manner. And first and foremost, doing it while eight and a half votes pregnant. I was about to say that.

So the prosecution has now brought up a point to the judge and they said this last night, they said that the defense is purposefully asking redundant questions over and over and over again to try to see if she won't go into labor, which will then, you know, a mistrial will have to be called. I call 100% cap on that.

If there's one team that does not want her to go into labor, it's the defense team. I think the defense feels that she is pivotal, like vital to whatever it is they need to prove the most. I think they've said she's the most important person in the case that we're trying to present. I don't think they want her to go into labor. And I think we saw that in the cross-examination yesterday.

Because what she read in the cross-examination, because like you said, they forced her to read the text out loud. I think at the very least, they want to rattle her. Because if you're rattled, you're not going to do as well in the chair. That's the idea. But some of the stuff she had to read out loud, particularly

the one from August 2009, when Puff asked her when she wanted the next sex encounter to be, and she replied, I'm always ready to freak off. And then two days later, she sent him an explicit message. She wrote back, he liked it, and then she responded, me too. I just want it to be uncontrollable. And so the defense is going to try to say that that's evidence that there was no coercion, that there was no control, that she just is a freak like him

and they doing freaky shit and whatever else is going on, there's no charge there with that. And the prosecution is gonna have to prove that despite those texts, there was coercion or because of those texts, there was coercion. Like she had to write that kind of stuff. So that's a battle, so I agree, I think the prosecution, I mean the defense wants Cassie in that chair,

that's the easiest, it's gonna be hard, because we know Dawn Richard is gonna hit the stand next, and Aubrey's gonna hit the stand next, and then Jane Doe. They gonna come for blood. They know, and they kinda know what they're getting there, but Cassie's the most vulnerable for this, because she's the one who's been there the

longest, right? And it's harder to... And she sets the stage for everything. Absolutely. She's the one that was... Triggered everything. She triggered the whole thing. She did.

She did. She did. And so there's a term that keeps coming up right now, and it's Stockholm Syndrome. And I think that it's applicable in this kind of situation. It's dependent on what you believe. And apparently, there is a lot of protesting going on at the courthouse right now. It is a madhouse.

Media protesters on both sides of the aisle. It's complete and total chaos down there. There's people chanting in support of Diddy. There's people who are chanting in support of their pursuit of justice, whatever that looks like. But it's just literally like what you believe. Do you believe that she's a victim and that she figured out a long time ago

based on his enforcers, his enforcement of the imprisoned life that she was forced to lead, that she just said some things to get along because you want to make your captor happy. You don't want to piss them off kind of thing. They named a lot of times where she wasn't captive though. I think that what people need to understand

of what captivity actually looks like. Because captivity is not just physical, especially if you've been abused for a really long amount of time. There is an erosion of your sense of free will. I agree. I mean, if you kidnap kids, sometimes they get sent to the store, they come back to the kidnap, they don't run, they go back home again. Okay, I wanna let the audience know, from this point forward, you might hear an opinion

that contrasts from you guys'. Absolutely, there should be. I wanna let people know. Yeah, so. It's difficult to say that, what y'all are saying, when she eventually ended up not only escaping, but escaping with one of the handlers and paid with Puff's credit card.

Okay. It's tough to paint you as someone that was trapped when we're going to throw all these instances where you seemingly were away and you left for good. So if you were able to leave for good at one point, then what happened at all these other points, entries, points of exit? I can't speak on what. And again, neither am I. I'm not inserting my opinion in this. Like Mel said, this is going to come down to, well, so far.

What do you believe? I do think that the feds are going to prove their case. Let me start with, not only do I think the feds are going to prove their case, but I think that the requirement, the standard, is so low for what they have to prove. They may have already proven it. I wanna say that, but I don't think Cassie

looked the greatest during cross. So this comes down to, do you believe that she was being sex trafficked, or do you believe that she was in an abusive, drug-infested, toxic relationship? I think it is the sex traffic part. Part of it being because she was his employee, not just his girl, so that I'm controlling your finance.

There's the coercion part. I'm paying you. We went over the definitions, the three things that have to be hit for it to be sex trafficking, one of them being a commercial sex act. There is the hiring of the escorts and transporting them in or to wherever they were. So that is that part.

The coercion is if I am in control of basically your money, I got you on the contract, you can't do this, you can't do that as far as your music goes, and I'm paying you, there is some level of control there, which could lead to the coercion point. So I think they got them already on the sex trafficking part, personally. Well, I can't hear you. No, first of all, I wanna say that

what didn't work in Cassie's favor is Puff lawyer at Stevo, I think that's her name, she was extremely gentle with Cassie, right? Extremely. And they shared laughs and understanding. I think that may work in the favor of Puff, because a lot of lawyers, they come in, they try to hammer you down here and force you to answer questions.

So she was gentle with her and they got on the same accord. But also what I think is that when I listen to this or read on it, like Joe said, Cassie has gotten away a couple of times to even get into a couple of different relationships. Even when she was with Kid Cudi, she still reached out to Puff and was talking about she wants to participate in freak-offs.

So these things right now are, I don't wanna say smoking gun, but contradicts what the feds are saying or some of the accusations, ma'am, do you agree? Well, I just wanna make a point to say that there have been times where actual kidnapped victims, like Elizabeth Smart, where her captor allows her to like go to the store or be out in public.

You know what I'm saying? Like this is somebody who- But she wasn't kidnapped. No, no, I'm just, I'm using an extreme example to demonstrate because everybody keeps saying, well, she got away at times. Do you know how the, what the statistics say about domestic violence victims,

how long it takes for them to actually leave for good. It's usually about six to seven times, six to seven different attempts, and they end up going back. And there's a whole psychology that discusses why do victims keep on going back to their abusers or their captors. And I don't think that the vast majority of us

are in a position to even discuss this because we just don't have that amount of see but that's where the divide is I understand I understand what you're talking about because I see you getting your we talked we talked before she's alright she got it what I'm saying is that's where the line is, right? Everything you just said is 100% valid. Do you believe that anything that has to do with Cassie's participation falls under the, like you said, Stockholm's fucking,

she was Stockholm's, she was young. She was trauma versus the people that believe that she played more of a part and is not just a victim in this. I fall on the side of the former. I fall on the side of the former that she was young because I think it was the defense asked her, do you feel like at the age of 22 that you were a fully

formed and consenting adult in whatever the case is? And she apparently looked up and said, no. And I think that it's just the side that I'm on. I just believe. See, I call cap on that. OK. And listen, I'm not a legal attorney so the shit that I'm saying is not I'm not speaking to what ramifications things will have in court. Let's cap about that

There's the flip side of that that says some of these 22 year olds know exactly what they're doing and getting themselves into and they sought that out. Shit. I'll go as far as to say that some of these 22 year olds are led there by their parents even. Like we saw that in R. Kelly case. So this duality here is all I'm saying. I'm not inserting where I stand on nothing because it's all sensitive.

Well, in R. Kelly, I mean, like, they were children. They were under the age of consent. So, and their parents served them up on the fucking platter. That's the biggest difference between R. Kelly. That is the hugest difference. But also, we sat up here a few weeks ago and talked about Dreya and Jalen Green, who is what, I don't know, 22 years old

or something like that, and basically said, he is a child, she's the adult in this situation and she should know better. So we're we can't have it both ways. Puff is all of the things they say he is. Yes. My conversation about Cassie is not to negate what he is. He is a manipulator and abuser and yeah, all of those things that we said about Dre are

in play here still. You date and much more. You're dating a younger girl, you know what you're doing, you know what time it is over here. Yeah. And when you are a man of puff stature, fame, power, influence, wealth, and you got a 19-year-old girl who now at this point, she's talking, they've graduated to the point of her being 22. she's talking, they've graduated to the point of her being 22, I think that during those ages,

there was a lot of manipulation and just kind of like, and grooming. And I know, you know, that happened during those years to where, like I said, you know, some prisons don't look like prisons to other people, but there's a reason why they're called gilded cages. And I just, hold on, hold on, I just said, there's the other part of he's doing things

and getting away with it. So like, cool, I get away, she fucking with K.Kuddy, okay, boom, you blow the car up and there's no repercussion at all. That could scare the shit out of somebody, like you know what, if he can do this and get away with it, what the fuck could he do to me? And just walk away scot-free?

There's a reason why it took 30 years to take down fucking Harvey Weinstein. 30 years, because you start to see that there is absolutely no consequences to the actions that this person has perpetrated. And they are illegal, and they are, they, well, they can kill people. Okay, well, I wanna read to y'all,

because I just wanna present all sides. Of course. And y'all because I just want to present all sides. Of course. And y'all. Of course. Of course. I'm going to read y'all what Willie D had to say because I enjoy Willie D. Southern man. I absolutely love Willie D.

This my brother, shout out to Willie D. Willie D says, I know some of you are about to be tight over what I'm about to say, but I'll take my chances. See, Willie D is brave and the niggas are ready. He jumping out there, but that's why I fuck with him. I don't have a dog in the fight, but using Cassie's youth as a blanket excuse for the choices she made during her decade-long relationship with Diddy is problematic because it removes the necessary element of accountability, without which no one learns or grows.

Diddy and Cassie is a cautionary tale for men who use their money and power to abuse others. On the flip side, it tells young women who will come after Cassie, no matter what you get yourself into and who gets hurt, as long as you are young, you won't be held accountable. By her own admission, she stayed not out of fear, but because she didn't want another woman to take her place. Cassie is not some helpless victim. She is a savvy home wrecking opportunist

who left Ryan Leslie for Diddy, knowing he was with Kim Porter simply to upgrade her lifestyle. Turning both Kim and Ryan into collateral damage. And let's not forget the kids. In court, she testified that she enjoyed the freak-offs, just not as often as Diddy did. She ultimately left him for the trainer he paid for, tried to blackmail him for 30 million, and when that failed, sued him and walked away with 20 million. Now that she's the prosecution star witness trying

to bury him, yes, Diddy was abusive and should have been punished for it. But let's not pretend Cassie didn't cash in after every black night. I don't feel comfortable saying that. I don't feel comfortable reading that last slide of that. Some of that I kind of get the gist of, but I think the main thing that's important

is that Cassie's not on trial. Yeah. That's the other thing. And I think he's wrong about all of that. I think we have to start from there. Like Cassie's not on trial. And also the term home wrecker. I'm just like, why is the onus always put on the woman?

There's so many things, and I love Willie D, but I have to disagree with a few of those things. One, I don't think holding people accountable for the harm they cause means that the victims don't have accountability too. It's just not the point. If I were to, you got that very expensive chain on, if you were to walk through a really terrible neighborhood

at 3 a.m. unarmed by yourself with that chain on, you might get robbed. I know not to do it. You know, right, and but when you get robbed, yeah, I would say you made some bad choices, but that doesn't negate the fact that the person who, you should be able to do that. Mark, you actually helping, I've been quiet as, but you actually helping the other side, you don't even see it. I agree with that. You're really helping the other side, because what I know, I shouldn't be out in the hood at 3 in the morning with my chains on

But why because there's predators there, but here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the real issue The real issue is how don't lose that point. I'm about to tell you I'm about to answer that The way that men see the world the way women see the world, right? So the way men see the world if you're my woman, I'm gonna be like yo, babe Don't wear that because I know how men are now you'll say that's not how men supposed to be they shouldn't be that way But men are smart enough to know that that's not the way the world works. Just because you wear,

yeah, I should be able to wear my chain everywhere, but I'm smart enough to know where the wolves are. Right, so my thing is when you lay with wolves, you almost gotta know you laying with a wolf. So, my- Hold on, hold on, but to your point, what if you didn't know that? Right, and that's part of where the 19 thing comes in.

What you didn't know what? And that's part- To not wear your chain there. There's more, what if you didn't grow up anywhere near the hood don't know nothing about robbery Nothing like that, but you watch TV is saw a chain and got a chain Yep And now you wearing it somewhere where somebody with some comp with some street in the sense would know not to wear that there But you don't know cuz you're not from there never been there and when we see you're young and inexperienced in that life

And guess what happens usually somebody says says, you know where you at? Put that chain away. You know what I'm saying? Let me get that chain off of you, my dog. That's my point. Exactly. You're right. That's right, too.

But at the end of the day, the point is you should live in a- the ideal world isn't one where you hide from the predators, it's one where there aren't predators. And in this case, I just feel like, again, I might, if Cassie were my sister, my mom might be like, yo, that's the best situation to get into all true But at the end of the day the question is did he do harm? But in the second thing I want you to jump if I just want to just finish this thought real quick The second thing though to me is that doesn't necessarily mean that the crop that the legal standard for the crime in this case was Met right because that's what that's my only concern

Which I agree I agree. So so that's where's where it comes down to trusting Cassie's word or Diddy's. But what I don't want us to do is to believe that because someone came back home, because someone didn't run at the first site, because someone enjoyed a freak off, that that means necessarily that they weren't being captive. That's what I'm saying.

It doesn't mean they were. But how though? The example that I gave and Mel gave it is that lots of people who are victims of things end up developing a psychological condition where they stay. Again, children get kidnapped. They get brought to a whole new city.

They know they have other parents. And if the kidnapper saves them long enough, they can send them to the store and the kid will come back. Slaves will enslave people, will literally leave a plantation and then go back. Or be afraid to leave. It doesn't mean slavery wasn't bad. So all I'm saying is like, I'm not saying that we know everything that happened in Cassie

and Diddy's house. I'm just saying that I wouldn't assume that because she stayed a long time, that that's proof that Diddy didn't do it. Mark, real quick. You just stated that Cassie is not on trial here, right? That's what you said. But on the flip hand is that the stuff that Diddy's being accused of, the stuff that he's on trial for does not fit the circumstances right now and what's being said.

That's my only problem. It does though. That's why I'm saying Cassie's not on trial. He's not on trial for being an abuser, a manipulator, for taking advantage. He's on trial for sex trafficking and whatever the other two are. But here's the problem. If I'm looking from Puff's POV, y'all are saying I sex trafficked my girl. Who I'm supposed to take care of.

This is my girlfriend. And I know that it's easy to paint Puff as the monster. He's done a great job of it himself. It's true. But nobody is that 100% of the time. Part of his manipulation and bullshit is the charm and all of that. All of that that goes along with it. So what do you do when Puff's attorney is saying there were times where he was fully functional on the drugs and you kept going?

To be clear. Let me finish. What, what do you do when the puffs attorney is saying, Hey, there were times when puff was urging you that we can't freak off. You have a role that you have to get ready for. We can't do this. And you were the person that continued and urge this to go on. Like it's not just the picture that y'all are painting. And again, it falls on which side you believe.

Do you believe that he was sex trafficking Cassie? And again, I think that they're gonna get him with the next few. I just don't think they did a great job with Cassie. For clarity, for my sake and for the listener's sake, isn't most of the sex trafficking not regarding her being sex trafficked, but the prostitutes

and other people that were being brought in. She basically sets the stage because she was there and present for it, also instructed to- And having sex with them. And having sex with them and instructed to quote unquote purchase them, purchase their time. Right. All we're talking about is that sexual moments, and this is a RICO trial.

If this was a domestic violence trial or a state trial, I wouldn't care. All this is great.'t care. Oh, this is great. Here's why it matters. Here's why it's relevant. And I agree, the domestic abuse as such is not on trial. Yes. But the problem is when you're trying with sex trafficking because of those elements of coercion or fraud or force. Yes. You need to establish a record. I have to establish how you're using force and how you're coercion, coercing somebody. And that's where saying, well, he's beating the shit out of me and if I don't do it, he's going to beat the shit out of me again. When people get trafficked in other countries, that's often, it's the fear that they take

your green card or your documentation, but it's also the fear that they'll cut you or shoot you or beat you. So the fear of violence is a form of enforcement of sex trafficking. And so I think y'all are right in the implicit point y'all are making, and I agree with you, which is the prosecution is not just using it for that purpose. They're trying to make the jury just,

they want the jury to prosecute Puff for being a monster, not for the particular crime, but they do have a legitimate. And they're doing a great job at that. Yes. They're doing a great job at just, this guy's a piece of shit, convict him off that. That's what it really is. Like we shouldn't need anything more.

That's true. But it just so happens that his piece of shit happens to be relevant for the conversation. But what he's doing, he was supposed to do. Like that's my woman. I'm going to put, my girl's right there. I'm going to give her money. I'm, and we going to be, it's like,

am I sex trafficking her now? Like, is she mad at me? That's the way it reads. They talking in court. Like they talking in court language, which is why I'm letting it rock. I'm talking on nigger shit. Yeah.

Yeah. It is relevant in nigger shit and parks. It is relevant that she was with Ryan Leslie prior to every meeting due. And y'all saying she's not on trial, but she kinda is because her behavior in the past is relevant to what happens with this man's future. How so? Say more, I'm not following. How so?

They painting her as a fast little hussy. Got it. That's what you're saying. They painting her as somebody that maybe didn't have shit, didn't have no way of ever having shit. I see what you're saying. And so a powerful man was attracted to that left the nigga She was with dead at him and went and signed up for all this shit Maybe not knowing she was getting into I don't want to sound like I don't think she knew but She might have been like that's a lick she might have got in there said fuck fuck He did he did a, he did a lot to, yeah.

All of that to take her away from him. So it don't necessarily mean that. She slid again with Cuddy. She was with Cuddy and slid again. She slid every time he asked her to slide. Stop with this Cassie Innocent, I can't, I can't. I don't think she's all the way innocent in it. I also think she's a victim and he's going away and horrible things were done.

But I don't, I think they both was on some shit. So let me ask you the question. If he's the one on trial and you believe that she's the victim and he's going away, why are we worried about how we painting her? Because I know, because the niggas that was outside for a while don't look at that as artists to CEO.'s why because Cassie put her song out and nobody in note that had two seats in the music business thought Cassie's coming out with more music she's defying nobody and we've

seen mad times Carisa just fucking did it yep what are we talking about I know we in court so cool but don't act like we don't know the bitches that see the CEO, think I can get with him and I'm never doing music again. They make that trade all the time. All the time, Joe. No, no, no, I understand. So question, because from what I remember, from what I remember, if we can actually look it up, I feel like it's not like her debut album was a dud.

You know what I'm saying? So in the way that you're saying that nobody had any expectations that she was going to have another album, I don't think that that's necessarily true. That girl was bold. From the inside, Melissa. That girl was bold.

I don't think she had that expectation. I think other people may have. If you're in the music business, you gotta understand. Her coming in, we all knew she was a Ryan Leslie creation. It debuted as a new music. Ryan Leslie's girlfriend that he created, he produced everything, and then she left Ryan Leslie being his creation, it becomes Puff's creation,

because whatever it is, it might have been bigger. But the part that bothers me is that we don't, see, we don't acknowledge what really happens. What happens is is that Puff brings, because we hate Puff so much, right? We hate him, right, I get that. But this was an employee of his, a trainer that he hired to train him and her, that takes her away. She writes a book basically saying,

give me 20 million for this, 30 million for this and this. And the personal trainer, white guy just walking around like he's harmless. Like dog, Puff's not a great person. I can get that. But that don't mean he deserves everything worse than he's the only bad. This is not a Tyler Perry movie where he's only one bad guy. It's bad people in every scenario. He's the one that feds when it got in his own trial. And he's who they want, but my point is that he's who they want.

And she's the author that got immunity. See, we don't never pay no mind to the person that got immunity, why does she need immunity? We was both doing it. I just, I just. I can see it legitimately. Sorry, before you. Well, me too.

I can't do it. No, when you finished, when you finished. I was gonna say legitimately. Sorry, before you... Well, me too. I can't do it. No, when you finished, when you finished, man. I was gonna say, everybody see, you're talking about everybody having this perception that that album was a one and done and he was never gonna do anything else. No, you was there too. You was outside too.

Hold on, hold on. You seen that girl be paraded everywhere and introduced. And introduced as Puff Girl, and if you play with her, he'll hurt you. Understood. That was out there from 02 or whatever the fuck they met to whenever.

And I was in the studio and I was there. He started saying that's it. He's berated that girl. He did the thing that he does. I was going to say that just because it was other people's perception that that was a one and done, I don't necessarily think that that was her perception. I think that she was sitting there with hope, hope again, hoping again.

Yeah. She definitely. She'll make man. And, and, and also she talks about this. The naivete. No, but also no, no, no, no, wait, I want to know. Hold on. Mark, Mark, I was working on her project.

It was. Wait, let's get this one. Be wrong with Mark. Either that's the naivete or that's the cunning savviness of somebody saying, hey, you know what would be a really good way to get my shit rocking? To suck his dick. No, no, I hear you. I'm saying what all I'm saying is you. And I don't think that she was too young to have that thought. That's not what I was saying. I was saying that going in, that might have been her motivation.

I said, I accept that might have been her total motivation for getting into that relationship. I was just, we were responding, Mel and I were responding to the idea of everybody knew no more music was coming once they got together. And we were saying, no, she probably thought something else was coming. And that's part of why she stayed. Whether that's for good reason or bad reason.

Well, I think that's what, that's where I ride with y'all. Same thing make you laugh, make you cry. That's what's gonna get, hold on man. Sorry, there's just one thing that I want to say in regards to this, is the fact that during her testimony, she uses a term called work busy. And what she means when she uses that term

is that he kept the facade going by having her work with producers and go and write music and whatever else. He knew he was never gonna fucking put out any more music and everybody else got the memo. She literally did not get the memo because she was, that's why she called it work busy. And in hindsight, she realized, oh, he was just keeping,

helping to keep the lie going in order to like, you know, persuade me into believing that I had- I mean, that's one way to look at it. Man, I was one of the producers, by the way. I was in the studio working on her project with Puff in the room, our guys, and I can tell you from being in the music business, you can tell when it ain't coming out. They had no direction, no nothing. It was just like, yo, just give us a...

It was like no direction, Puff will come and go. It was... You knew it. If you're on the inside of the music business, you know when your shit ain't coming out. If you bring writers in town for a week and we don't come away with not one complete song, eventually you start knowing. And that's what Sam, but just to talk about- How long did you string somebody along with that?

If she knew her music wasn't coming out, why would she continue to play? Because she got the lifestyle without putting out the music. Mark, what are you talking about, Mark? I'm asking because I don't know. You do know. Mark, he put her up in a penthouse. She was living like a superstar. And then guess what?

He probably would have been still taking care of a wide wide But she left with the music question. I understand. I understand arguments you're making about the other thing I was just saying what you know, if she knows that her music's not coming out why bother why waste your time? I mean, that's right. I'm still right because everything that comes from this platinum music. I got already so shit I'm just a quirk. I don't want her to make music So I was just curious know why she would even even play out the street. If you're asking me, if you're asking me, I think that there was a lot of stoppages between this timeline that they're trying to reconfigure as her being this artist that was chasing a career.

She was not. Okay. A question for Mella Mark. If, and this is what I asked last time, if, how was she able to leave with the trainer if he was so controlling and Stockholm Syndrome and all that, right? Like, if he was controlling, like that guy said, or like they saying, and she was being watched and she couldn't move, how was she able to leave

with the trainer that he hired for her? Listen, me and my girlfriends were talking about this in the car last night. I have a theory. That is the shit I would fucking love to know. I'll say it, and that's why I can't fuck with them. So that's why I can't fuck with them. No, no, no, just wait. Hold on one second here. I just said less, like about five minutes ago, how many times it takes victims of domestic violence to leave their partners and how many

times they keep going back. But for a lot of women, sometimes there is the final time also I want to make mention that within the first few weeks of a woman trying to leave a domestic violence incident that is when she has the highest statistical rate of being unalived by her by her mate so there's real there is real fear that nobody can I just say something to you and Mel? And I'm on y'all's side. Of course. I am on their side. I hired them so I could be on their side.

But you're not on their side. No, for real. That's right. All right. How'd she love the trainer, Joe? Huh? I'm going to answer your question. If the nigga was all like, come on.

Listen. Wait, let me say this first. She left plenty of time. That's what I'm saying, Mark. Let me say this. Wait, let me say this. In response to Mel, Mel, on the flip side of what you're saying, this is going to sound horrible.

So don't say it. But I am going to say it, because women are not a monolith. We're not. There are some women that really like the controlling guy. I'm telling you. There are some women that are attracted to the toxic, ancient, I'm in you there are some women that are attracted to the toxic ain't shit I'm in the house controlling demanding jealous. I'll fuck your ex up. Oh for sure

I will not deny that for no second. Yes Absolutely, I don't know Cassie enough That's what I did with that one her jacket. Yeah, I know there's a flip side to that That's a real and to that. Of course. And that's usually born out of some kind of trauma or some kind of experience where somebody did that. No one just wakes up like, I want to be controlled. But Mark, it's my only issue with this.

Just let me ask a first question first. So I think there's a couple of things. I think one, to Mel's point, at some point you do get enough. And there's that. But your question is, if Puff's so dangerous and violent, why did it happen? Some of it is timing. Some of it is when somebody's really in a bad space, drug-wise, relationship-wise, or he's out fucking somebody

else for the next three weeks, that's the time to exit. Sometimes you stop caring about the fear, because after the sixth or the eighth time, you're like, you know what, fuck it. Look at Tina Turner. Ike didn't stop being violent to her when she left. She just said, fuck it, I don't care anymore. You know what I mean?

If I have to die to leave this situation, then I'll die to leave this situation. And then some of it is sometimes you need some courage. And sometimes it's when you meet the next guy that you get the courage to leave. Now, that doesn't mean that the next guy is a good guy. I'm with you. OK, thank you.

I have no idea. I don't know. That's whack, though. That is whack. I don't want to praise him. I don't want to criticize him. I don't know anything about him. Wouldn't know him if he walked in this room, right?

But what I know is sometimes you need somebody in your ear saying you can do this. Even if it's for their own purpose, even if it's for their own. But you need somebody to do this. So that's a lot of the reasons why. But the last thing I would do is advance the idea that, well, Puff wasn't that bad. Only because we've seen how bad he can be.

Yeah, he was that bad. He was bad. And that was his girl. And also, and I also think that Alex Fine was so removed from, he was an outsider. Yes, he was hired by Puff, get that. But he was basically an outsider to that massive circle. So anybody saying, well, I tried to pull her away,

et cetera, et cetera. She could literally have been living with the belief, you are too close to the situation, he will send the enforcers, he'll come fucking get me, I'll get another fucking beating, fuck that, can't go. But he- But the controlling monster guy just so happened to not do any of those things when you left

with the help that he paid for. He didn't beat nobody up, he didn't shoot nobody, he didn't go- Not this time. I don't know how hot it was at that time. What we talking about, I'm talking about this time. What I'm saying, she left with other people and shit happened. But let's be clear, when you said Harvey Weinstein, you said Harvey Weinstein, we're trying to

compare Puff to the powerful, rich men. Puff is a powerful rich man. He is one of them. I wasn't finished. I'm sorry. He is a powerful rich man, but it's one other fact that he's also famous. And when you're famous, women flock to you. Puff ain't Harvey Weinstein.

Every way he going, women are there. So what I'm saying is that when they try to paint him like, he was also a celebrity that women wanted. So she didn't want to give up that spot either. And men wanted, clearly. And by the way, she even, Mark, she even said it. I didn't want to lose my spot. And that's probably true too.

Then she played a role slightly in it. Well, if you acknowledge that, then you acknowledge that this is more than just Stockholm trauma and she was young. But that is kind of part of Stockholm trauma. Oh, tell me. Yeah, because part of it, you start to associate with your captor.

You start to associate with your oppressor. And so I want him to like me. I don't want to lose this, but it's exactly consistent with Stockholm. That's part of the problem. Y'all make sure I pump pick up in the black van. Y'all make sure I pump pick up in the black van and throw in the car.

He's not a captive. You do lose me there. I'm using captive in the context of Stockholm. That's where it comes from. Okay, I got you. So in this case, it's not a literal captor, but most domestic violence situations are literally, those people are literally locked in. That's what it comes from. Okay. I got you. So in this case It's not a literal captive but most domestic violence situations are literally those people are literally locked in its other factors And again, that doesn't mean that cat that there wasn't a personal issue

So you weaponize and all the things that you was attracted to that's what's really happened. That's what that's what's happening I'm just gonna read for anybody who has a well, and he's a piece of shit So everything is right when it comes to pop because he is a piece of shit Don't confuse what we saying with because he is a piece of shit don't confuse what we saying He's not a piece of shit, but she ain't just little miss red riding hood that oh my god Because that's the same shit police say well he was no he was no age I don't have to be an angel and I get shot right we tend to are if you're gonna if you lying on our whole history That's the only reason we keep talking about her because she keeps saying, yo, this was that.

And he's saying, no, the fuck it was not. That's the only reason we keep talking about it. And that's the part we do gotta talk about it. I'm just saying on this massive platform, as you would like to say, that we're not suggesting that person has to be a perfect or an angel or have great character. No, we're not suggesting that.

I'm not saying- No, no, I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, I'm saying I just wanna reinforce that. I'm agreeing saying, yeah, I'm saying I just want to reinforce that. I'm grimacing more. She could be a, let's assume Cassie's the worst person ever. She still doesn't deserve things that Puff is accused of doing to her. And that we've witnessed.

What we're up here debating is whether or not Puff actually did those things in the context they're talking about. But it's a very important part. They say that she did stuff to him, he just an accuser of it. So she went out first. It's like basically, who called who first? Joe said the police first, now I'm the bad person. That's really what it is. Cause when you look at it, she's like, I can't wait for the freak up. I want to be uncontrollable.

As a man it triggers me because women tell you that type of shit all day. Slut me out, do this, do this. And then all of a sudden I do it. And then all of a sudden she like, you use me, hold the fuck. Like as a man, you become confused. I think we're getting confused again and what the trial is. It's the state in the feds versus Puff. It is not Cassie versus Puff. It is not the state versus Cassie. But it's versus Puff triggered off what he supposedly did to Cassie.

Yeah, you're not. Here's my issue, Pauks. I feel like one of the things. Because we watched. The person that has immunity and liked freak offs just as much or more than me, I should be allowed to say, hey, she was in there asking for the, asking to get pissed on. free coughs just as much or more than me. I should be allowed to say, hey, she was in there asking for the,

asking to get pissed on. She was in there asking if we could fly jewels in. This was not just a master manipulation by Puff. I should be able to say that shit. Joe, how am I supposed to know? But if you ask me for it, how am I supposed to know? Wait, Ray, it's funny you say that because in court, that's what it's coming down to now.

I do think that more people are coming. But right this second, Puff Defense is saying, how am I supposed to know that you ever had a problem with any of the free calls when this has been your verb is to me? That's what they discussing right now. So I'm gonna, let me just read this about people experiencing Stockholm syndrome,

a psychological phenomenon where hostages develop positive feelings toward their captors, often exhibiting behaviors like refusing to cooperate with authorities, defending the abuser, and minimizing the abuse. They may also feel attached to or even sympathetic towards the captor and struggle to detach and heal from the trauma. Can I ask one?

Can I ask one? Can I make one analogy? Everything she did falls under trauma. And I was young and stock-owned. Can I make a quick analogy? Go ahead. You're dating someone that loves cocaine. Yes.

You buy them cocaine. I thought that was great so far. Buying cocaine is illegal. Yes. There we go. Here we are. No, that's not true. Why?

Let's stay right here. Let's do it. You like cocaine, I like cocaine. Together, we in the trenches getting cocaine. We the coke couple. We are the cocaine couple. Let's go. Once we get caught, you flip. We'll call it right then. No, no, no, no. Joe, Joe, you missed it, Joe. No, no, no, you

missed it, Joe. Once you got tired of it, because you want to go to another place, you find love, good for you, find a husband, but you realize that that shit cost. So if you can't be the victim, that's what is Michelle, I'm sorry, you just can't be a victim of it if you wrote a book. Hey man, give me some money for this, I'ma put it out. At that point, you're not a victim. You basically saying, nigga, you know I need some money. And he like, you know you picked who you picked. So she's a victim and she's-

But she became the victim after he said, I'm not giving you 30 million for the book. Okay, now I'ma sue you. So is that not true? I think that- This is the total trial. No, I think it's a sacrifice. My is that not true? I think that- This is the total child law. No, I think it's a little bit- My response to Parks is you can't repaint history

as if you wasn't down and then make it seem like I was forcing you to do coke. And that's my issue with the coke. Well, but in your example, it's really, I like coke and I introduced you to coke. Yes. That's where it's a little different. He introduced her to this shit.

She says that, he taught her this. It ain't like she was doing that prior to him. Right, true. But you was doing it after him. And he at some points tried to get you off and put you in a drug rehab. Y'all can't keep playing both sides of the fence with him. I'm not playing both sides of the fence. That becomes a question of the facts.

I get what you're saying. He's saying you was down for the free cups. You wanted some time, but I didn't. I hear that. She's saying that's not what happened. And so we also at some point have to decide whose version we believe or look at the evidence to see. I think this is the Tory trial all over again.

I don't think any of that matters to the charges that are being presented. He is charged with bringing prostitutes over, sex trafficking, using multiple businesses and such to do so, which is racketeering. I think they got him. Yeah. I keep saying I do think they got him.

Not the same exact. It's a similar scenario to the story where we're all arguing, did he do this or did he shoot her? Which we will get to at some point. I just feel like when somebody has gotten away with so many things over the years, people try to find something to take them down. Like the OG thing, we'll get them with something. I don't want to use the words pin on him, but that's what they

do. Right, oh, he got, look what we're saying, he got away with it so many years and all that shit. So does that mean what he's on trial on now fits it? I don't think you're wrong, Flip. I think, you know what I mean? And that's the only problem. I think it's a big part of it.

I think it's a big part of it. OJ situation, he got away with that shit and they just pinned that he tried to, for his, it just shit. But OJ probably did it too. See, that's- I get what you you're saying Mark. And that's the tough part. But yeah but he was actually convicted of but the feds aren't usually convicting people for that shit. He went and stole his memorabilia back. He did he that's what he went to jail for. Yeah and he probably did it but they usually lock you up for that., half the music industry does what Puff does. They're just not.

So today on the stand. Not half, Mark. 95%. No doubt. So today on the stand during the cross, they got Cassie saying they're playing audio of Cassie threatening someone who threatened to leak. She said I'm going to kill you.

Yeah, somebody who threatened to leak footage from the freak offs. She said that she threatened to kill you. Yeah, it's somebody who threatened to leak footage from the freak offs. She said that she threatened to kill them. Wow. But Mark, not that she threatened to kill them, Joe. She said, no, I will have you killed. No one will know that I, it was like she went into it. Yeah, there'll be no blood on my hands.

I've never done this before, but. It's almost like she's connected to someone who's capable of doing those kinds of things. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah. And she was caving. I think that makes Puff look bad, not her. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out, Mark.

I think it makes them both look bad. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm not saying it doesn't make her look bad. But I'm saying because she's not on trial, I'm saying I don't think that helps Puff's defense. I think it hurts his defense. And I want to make a point to how Joe just told you guys this, the wording that he used. I'm going to reframe that with how it's written here, just to show it's all about which you

believe. It's all about your perception based on the words that you hear and how you hear the words. Give me your bag, Mel. Jurors heard a recording of a distressed Cassie screaming at a friend who said that he had seen a video of her performing sex acts. So it's not even including this friend in the video. He just says he has it. In the recording made by Cassie, who recorded herself in 2013, the man claimed to have the

video on his phone. Cassie has heard pleading to see the video and then threatening to kill him if it became public. I've never killed anyone in my life but I will kill you is what she said. She didn't say anything about I'll have somebody else do it. At least it doesn't say that here. Cassie told the man punctuating her threats with profanity. Well in another transcript it does say that. Yeah, we need to check that. Fair enough. Okay, yeah. Because you're not reading from a transcript. No, I mean it's a report. It's a report from ABC exactly. She acknowledged in her testimony that Combs subsequently made efforts

to keep the videos private, or this particular video private. But words matter in terms of how we tell the story. So Joe's version versus how I just read that, you'll hear it two different ways. You'll hear a woman who is terrified of the world seeing her in that position, knowing that she had no real control as to whether or not it was even filmed.

And that will take her fading on hands and kill the person that put her in that position. I mean, but how many times have you been angry with somebody and you just say, oh, I'm going to fucking kill you or something like that. That's different than I'm going to have you killed. Yeah, that's very different. It gets meticulous. But for me, as a juror, what I would hear in that is Cassie's fucked up, but she was going to leverage the power that she had by being with Puff, which tells me that Puff

has the power to control outcomes. It just reinforces the cutty blow of the car. It just reinforces that he is somebody who you need to be afraid of and you need to listen to. And it also reinforces that she was very attracted to that and she used it when she needed it. No doubt but again and if she were on trial I think you might be able to get her on a RICO trial maybe I don't know. Well she wouldn't be on trial because she ain't gonna be on one. But in a RICO trial she didn't have immunity what Willie D is saying that she should be co-defendant. I think it's a

racketeering trial too by the way. Yes. Yeah. Which is sometimes part of a RICO I think and they're not the same thing. I have no idea Yeah, I'm gonna I just I think it's no Rico Rico is racketeering. No, I think Rico is part of racketeering But isn't that the R in Rico? Yeah. Yes, but R Rico is racketeering can be part of Rico, but Rico's not necessarily a racketeering charge. I think is All right. Again, this is kind of the discourse that's happened similar to the trial over on the West Coast is it's discourse that's gonna get things misconstrued.

But the real issue is that you have people that are emotional and when you're emotional and the mob hates you, like right now the mob hates Puff, right? And anytime someone says something that helps them is like the mob is mad at them for speaking up for them, but that's not what this is. This is a trial. Right. That's what the point of this is. So just because the mob hates you doesn't mean that everyone should say, it's like, that's my only thing. It's like they was together. They did it together. It's time that she wanted it. It's time that he wanted it. But because he's the person that everybody liked, killed that monster. And the defense introduced where he left. And the defense introduced where he left. He left you.

He was with Ken Porter. He was with Gina. He ran off. And you were jealous that somebody else was taking your spot. How y'all hear that? And, and, ugh. I want to be clear. I don't think that she's an angel or anything.

But again, she's not on trial. So it's irrelevant to me a little bit. It's the toxicity associated with her super fucked up. It's not irrelevant if you're saying I held you captive and kidnapped and you couldn't leave and I forced you to do all of your stock homes thing. Exactly and that's why we're talking stock homes. So while her admitting now on trial, on the stand, is stock homes still in effect? And did stock homes leave when she left with the handler

and paid with Puff's credit card? She's been gone for years. This is what I'm saying. And what I'm saying is- I'm saying something slightly different. I understand your question. I'm saying something slightly different. Okay.

I'm not saying that Stockholm explains all of her actions. Oh, but that's what it sounds like. What I'm saying is, and that's why I wanna be clear. What I'm saying is that Stockholm is an answer to the question of why she does it. In other words, her actions don't prove Puff's innocence. And Stockholm Syndrome is an example of why they don't. But it also doesn't prove his guilt, right?

So in other words, her not leaving doesn't prove that he's guilty or he's innocent, right? I'm 100% with you. And that's where Stockholm comes in as an explanation, a potential explanation for why. It's just every time we use the word Stockholm, we never go right to proving that it was Stockholm versus a cunning, savvy, little, fast heifer. And I think the reason is because when people...

We don't never do that. Because when people look... We never figured out what's real. Here's why. Because when people look at her behavior, they act like that's the big joke. You don't get this right. But in Spades, there's a big joke. Very funny, Mark.

Big joke, right? Very funny one. So what happens is, people say, well, it couldn't have happened because she did this. And all I'm saying is that, I know, but I'm just saying, just because she did this doesn't prove that Puff wasn't guilty of this crime. That's all I'm saying. I'm not talking about his guilt or not.

I'm just saying they was in it together. To me, it feels like you was mad at me. We argued, but we forgot we were famous. And now we at trial looking at each other like fuck, look how big this shit got and it really was nothing to us. I really don't think she wants him to go to jail. But with her own words, she's admitting to a certain thing and taking accountability herself.

But I also, Exactly, so Stockholm doesn't do it. Okay, wait, let me just ask you guys a question. How much of a role do you think physical violence plays in somebody feeling like, yes, I have no chains on me, but I can't go far? Huge, huge. Okay, now, hold on one second here.

If we're gonna sit here and think and act like that videotape that happened in the fucking hotel was an isolated incident. We're full. Nobody. I don't think anybody did. Okay. So if we're going to look at that as an example of how free he felt to do this in a public

setting with cameras and knowing he was going to be able to buy off this fucking hotel and this footage was never going to see the fucking light of day, then he is walking around with this idea that he is a Teflon motherfucking Don. Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa to feel like I'm speaking for him. And I don't want to do that. However, the guy that's brazen enough to do that on the hotel cameras in public, like Mel just said, a lot of times thinks about the person he's doing it to and has that relationship to where he feel like, he don't feel like he could beat that just because he's so big and bad.

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No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No it doesn't sound the greatest. There was two people going back to each other. But wait, it wasn't the greatest. Like, and I think that's the hard time people have. And none of this shit is going to sound pretty. That's why the lawyers are saying, yo, he is a piece of shit we not here to argue that. None of it sounds pretty. But do you believe?

But they basically saying, she likes some of it and how he know that she didn't keep a hostage. She does not enjoy getting kicked in the head. Because Mel, I want to say one thing. Mel, I want to say one thing. Mel, I want to say one thing. Do you know women find it attractive when a man comes and gets her?

Like me and my man was arguing. I went out and he showed up to the club. They loved it. It's like, my nigga. My nigga don't play about. It's like, it's attractive when she finds it attractive. Yeah, they're writing off the women that like that shit. I'm not doing it.

And it's easy to paint Cassie as the victim that was abused who was trying to put an album out and the big bad powerful man. Yes, horrible shit happened, but it couldn't, she was down for some of that. I'm not denying for a single solitary second that that level of toxicity did not permeate her

and literally become like a template of her own actions. Man, I just wanna ask you a question because it's really important, because you are a beautiful girl and you have a lot of her own actions. Mel, I just wanna ask you a question because it's really important because you are a beautiful girl and you have a lot of options, right? You do, no you do, but my point is this. Remember you so crazy when Martin said you break up with a girl and you broke?

She can't wait to leave. Nigga, you wanna leave this indoor, like you could, I went to one of their houses, it was just a Hollywood house. $10 square foot, that was just the house where Cassie was at. You wanna leave all this? And you know, sometimes you got to think.

So what I'm asking you Mel, as a beautiful woman, does the man's financial status and the lifestyle he provides to you make a difference in how long a woman would endure other pains? It can 1000%- And is that Stockholms? It can 1000% play a role. She took the S.O. That's what I'm asking. It absolutely can. But is that Stockholms? No, it's not. No, we're not talking about Stockholm right now. I'm asking the question. It's what I'm asking. It absolutely can't. But is that Stockholm's? No, it's not.

No, we're not talking about Stockholm right now. I'm asking the question. It's not Stockholm, right? Not what we're discussing right now, okay? We're talking about accepting, understanding love to be in a really toxic form, to be toxics. So there are some women, yes,

if the situation is, like I said, a gilded cage, they're not fucking going anywhere. They're going to, you know, they consider that the lesser of two evils. But there are some women that will say, fuck you, fuck your fucking bowling alley, fuck the fucking helipad, I'm fucking out. There is women that- And I think Cassie did that ten years into it and finally was over it and that was it. That's what I really believe happened. And then you get with a man, then you realize there's no more heated toilets,

there's no more heated pools, what do we have? And then you realize the nigga that I could get it from, he ain't gonna like me, cause I left with you. So now you like, what we gonna do? I'm a, you had like couples on pillow talk and sit in the bed and plan and plot. We're gonna write a book, he don't want it to get out, hit him for some money, cause we need money.

You know what they highlighted? That's a different, you know what they highlighted? That's how it happens though. We're gonna write a book get he don't want to get out money cuz we need money Why you are up here on the stand if you got the 20 million from Pup? Because that's the other problem. They highlighted that. Biggers go and pay the settlement and y'all still leak the story. No, is that what happened? I'm asking because I don't... That's what they said on the... He said... That's what happened.

No, that's not what happened. No, she filed a lawsuit and then once that went up the next day he paid. No, no, no. That part I know. Okay. What my understanding situation was... Was that feds were already working on a fucking case. They were kind of on his ass, and because all these lawsuits came back to back to back, the feds, some thirsty feds

jumped on it. It wasn't that Cassie tipped it. That's true. Yeah, but she popped the first lawsuit. Yeah, but what I'm saying is she didn't, I don't think she got. She set it off publicly, in court of public opinion. And him, the feds could have been working for him.

That's my point. I'm saying Cassie, I think was fine with the check and walking away. She was the one that was supposed to shut the fuck up if I just gave you 20 million. Yeah, but the feds called you, so you gotta take the stand. What you gonna do? Then you take the stand, and today is the first time,

or the other day is the first time we're hearing any of this and we're all shocked and appalled at the same time. That's not what happened. What happened is, he lost his shit, as soon as Cassie said, yo, and then the video came out. He was done. See, and I feel like that's the steamer of all the other people, Ry, or all the people who came out with cases. I mean, at least eight other cases came out against Puff. Shit. None of them more damaging and damning than this one.

And the video. And that video. Even before the video, this one was more damaging because we saw her with him for 10 years. He shouldn't have did none of this shit. Don't take any of this speech as riding for him. Exactly. He shouldn't have did shit. He's dead to rights.

But important to examine how you got there. Ego. Ego. And the perception of being untouchable. Ego. Ego makes you think you're untouchable. All ego. All ego. Joe, I think we need the moose-boosh. And moose-boosh. Can you give us the moose-boosh? What the fuck is a moose-boosh? What the fuck is that? This is crazy. The appetizer before the appetizer. You cannot say what's on the table Without being looked away. You can't speak from the other side with hard core facts without it looking away When I hear Cassie up there admitting the things saying I loved him and taking accountability

I still hear people no disrespect making excuses for her Stockholm. She's She's acknowledging She's acknowledging like yo, I was in love with him. Yes, I wanted to do it. And Mark, you know, you know, when women aren't in love, they do the dumbest shit for men. Men know that. We all know that as men. She was in love. She did dumb shit and it's over now. But because Puff is just because how people look at Puff and view, he been getting away with this for so many years. Now I was, oh, she has to be going through something or some mental anguish. And Mark. You saw Django, right?

I did. All right, so imagine if the slave master from Django, was it Leonardo? Leonardo, yeah. Imagine Leonardo was on trial. Got it. And then somebody said, well, it couldn't have been that bad. Look at Stephen, look at Samuel Jackson.

Look at him. Yeah. If he was really getting abused, why is he hugging him? Why is he risking his life for him? Why is he killing other people for him? Why does he have the ability to even fucking speak at the table? Why is he risking his life for him? Why is he killing other people for him? Why does he have the ability to even fucking speak at the table? Why is he doing this shit?

He left and came back. That was good, Mark. You see what I'm saying? Like, we could, if we did that, That was a good argument. We'd be fucking, we would sound crazy, right? But at one point, Samuel had a chance to leave and join them niggas.

Wait, and now that- And Cassie just left! But wait, wait, wait. That's my point, eventually you leave! Samuel chose not to though. Let me reply to that. If you watch the Django, he made a choice. I'm off a Django, let me reply to that.

That doesn't account for the millions of people that would sign up for that abuse in a heartbeat if there were 20 and 30 million at the end of the road. For sure. You can't say for sure. Especially if you ain't got it. You don't account for those people. That theory is never floated in this. All I'm saying is- Because abuse is bad. You can't say for sure. You can't say for sure because you don't account for those people.

That theory is never floated in this. All I'm saying is- Because abuse is bad. Yes. And now I sound like I'm defending and I am not defending on that. I don't doubt that there'd be people who would sign up for it, but that doesn't nullify the fact that the abuse is fucked up. And I think it is-

I hope you're not debating that part. I'm not debating that. I know you're not. So, as I'm saying, so the fact that she's- It's fucked up. And honestly, I think she deserves the 30 million. If everything we said is we said she deserves it anyway Me too. So I don't think she deserved the 30 million

I also believe that he deserved for a certain treatment when you paid it. Yep But you deserve the 30 million and if you pay 30 million that comes with certain rights that he didn't get he didn't pay The 30 I would argue. We pay 20. But that was, freeze. No, but the point is, it wasn't like, hey, we want this, take that. It was a hostile, he made a hostile, I said, come on. He should have paid the 30. That's what I'm saying.

He should have paid the 30. None of this is happening. I hope not. You might not get here. But Mark, I love that you said that. Everybody said that, but imagine if your ex-girl, who dating your old trainer that you hired, comes to you with a book and says, give me. Is this training shit really in your craw?

No, it is. It is, what am I? Wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no. I feel like this is- But wait, but don't put that on Ray. No, I'm with Ray because when I read the shit, the court transcript where Puff was focused on getting the money back from the trainer that was paid,

I thought that was a grave mistake. That was a grave mistake. No, let it go. Yeah, yeah. It sound like it's important to Ray because reading that it was important. It was too important to push From a man standpoint if somebody take your chick, okay She's better man one But if this is my you hire he's in your house

You're telling him to handle and they run off together and now you come back to me with a book and then you say oh It could be a lawsuit. I might not have responded like that either. I'm just being honest with you. Yeah, I might have been like fuck y'all Would you just say come back with the book you have to now way if she found his lawsuit What do I got to lose? No, no, no, no, but are you right? But what I'm telling you is remember this ice where your she's She still is telling me to give her 30 million before she put out this book, and I know she taking it back to that nigga

that took her from me. Cool, so now you dialed in your ego. I agree, I'm not arguing it was an ego. You're right, it was all ego. It was all ego, but that's why I'm telling Mark, that's why I don't think, because I feel the same way. Why wouldn't you just pay the 30 million,

but it was the book. We didn't know that. If it's all ego, then how much of it is spite on her part? Ooh. Probably all of it. Yeah. How much of which part? The coming out there's gonna be all spite.

I'm just asking if you mean the civil or the criminal is a different answer. It could be all spite. I think the civil is both. I think the criminal is, I think she just got swept up and had no choice on that. She didn't have no choice because she wants you to, uh, a super, uh, subpoena. I think it was just subpoena. I don't think that's spite. But the civil part, I think some of it is, I know you don't give a fuck about much and I need you to feel something.

The courts, because that's what a lot of them is, that a lot of sexual assault and DV cases end up civil, not just because, for lots of reasons, but part of it is the courts ain't gonna do shit, the cops ain't gonna do shit. But also the only thing you'll feel is this money. Hit you in the pocket. Yeah, some of it's the only thing you'll feel is money.

I deserve some of it, but also, this is gonna fuck you up, but I need you to feel so. Did y'all see the video of Lil Wayne's ex-girlfriend being broken up? Did you? Yeah. Okay, the reason why I'm going so hard for this trial is because of that video. She says something on that video.

Exactly. My man is breaking up with me, he took me and my daughter out. Instead of going on with her life saying this man don't want me, she says, who knows a lawyer? What are we talking? Now women are suing niggas for breaking up. Now man don't want me, she says, who knows a lawyer? What are we talking? Now women are suing niggas for breaking up. Now we don't even have a choice, Joe.

But we don't account for that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I'm saying, like, listen, if somebody came in with facts and here's wires and puffed prime, I'm with all that. But all we're talking about is they sexual endeavors. And to me, that's like embarrassing them, it's really shitting on them. But for me, it gets us nowhere.

It's in a Rico. I like dog. Rico was created for John Goddian and Paul Castellano and all those gangsters. This is not the right thing for them. This is for Mark. Again this is not a Rico charge. This is for Pico Charger. Racketeering are different. That's fair. Racketeering are different. Not a Rico charge. Okay that's true that's fair that's fair. Um yes so let's let's do the the moose bouche now. What the fuck is it? It's a palate cleanser. Clearly y'all eat at the wrong restaurants. It's a palate cleanser.

It's like they give you a little something you taste. No, no, no, clearly we didn't go as far in college as you. This is shit you just taught us. No, it's fancy restaurant shit. Fancy is college. They all associated the same thing. Point is, we need a palate cleanser. And so I just thought we could talk about something else.

And I was looking at social media yesterday, minding my own business. And I stumbled upon a great new podcast. Have you seen this new podcast? Which one? It's Jadakiss and Fat Joe. Anybody caught it? Yes.

I've seen two of the episodes, yeah. Oh, the whole thing. Okay, dope, dope, dope, dope, dope. I didn't watch the most recent one, though. Oh, you should. How do you feel about artists stepping into the pod space? As a long time native podder, I feel like I'm very protective of my space.

Me too. And I don't want anybody in there. That's what I'm asking. Yeah, fuck those guys. No, I think anybody should do what they can. I mean, look, I was a TV guy, a TV news guy, that people said shouldn't step into podcasting. So like, I think people should do they thing.

I hate how they announced it. I hate how hard they went. It's almost like, could you have an advantage because you're a celebrity, right? But I think that they thought it was gonna be hard. I feel great. No, I think they thought it was gonna be easy.

How about I say they thought it was gonna be easy. And then they get on there, then they realize that we don't care. Like everybody's talking, so why would we care? And then they start, you know, figure it out. You gotta make a splash. Hey, you gotta make a splash.

You gotta make some noise in the podcast. You gotta make a splash. Hey, you gotta make a splash. You gotta make some noise in the podcast. You gotta make a splash. By the way, it's been on the third episode. We didn't start seeing clips from the third episode until they made a splash. Yeah, can we talk about that splash a little bit? I saw clips from the second episode. I saw the second episode.

But I chose not. I chose not. And even those clips were what appeared to be a attempt to be a splash. It was a little bait. Chum the water a little bit. Absolutely. But I didn't think it was about me attempt to be a splash. It was a little bait. Yeah, a little bait. Chum the water a little bit. Absolutely. But I didn't think it was about me,

because I got a hit. You say that again? Oh, right. Second episode. Got fair enough. When it was like, yo, niggas ain't got hits, niggas ain't qualified. I didn't take that personally.

I felt like that before I got in the par game. Like, yo, there's too many people that are doing interviews with rappers that never did it, never heard the music. I wanted to talk about it. That's a common thing for people to say. So I didn't wanna just take that personally, so I let it ride, but then episode three, you know what I mean? And I don't think that was about you.

I didn't take it that way. Then I heard this one. I just wanna let it be known, under normal circumstances, I would charge the volume and boost mobile for this airtime on this broadcast. But Mark is that's my man. He want to let it go for free. I'm going to a block.

I'm here with the home team. We ain't got place this one time. No, please play play play play. I'm being dramatic. I'm being dramatic. Okay, you know, I don't want to be triggering though. I'm trying dramatic. I don't want to be triggering though I gotta be front row Because somebody you don't like your enemy gonna come sit right? You know, it's that we call that the Joe button seats

You know them second row second row. I don't even got a hoodie. I don't even got a hood. Yo listen, them second third row that ain't, I can't do it. I gotta sit front row. I'll give you my experience. What you call them seats? Joe Biden seats. New Joe Biden. You know, perfect example, him at 50 got some shit and I'm sitting court side of 50 comes Okay, but he's behind Going on with 50 and why God put 50 said front row and he's in like third row If I was Joe buttons We're not just what we just

Would he had a nice But the problem is you gotta always expect the enemy might come from well. I'll stop it there. So there's absolutely no logic to his logic. What's wrong with it? Who was that? There was Mark. Mark, come out here. We'll put you in the pussy. That shit is hilarious.

So look, I didn't quite follow his logic either. Yeah, it made no sense. But just call the second row to Joe Butt and Seats. That's fucking awesome. The second row. That's not horrible. So Mark, I look at it like that. And I tried to tell Joe this before myself. But I would say this, because he said it at a podcaster, it came off like, bah!

But if it was a rap bar, it would have just been a rap bar. Sitting in a second row like Joe Button. It would have been a rap bar, but it was- That'd still be a pretty hard shot to say though. No it wouldn't. Second row's pretty good. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with everybody. There's nothing wrong with sitting and beeping. pretty hard shot to say though. No it wasn't. Second row was pretty good. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with everybody.

There's nothing wrong with sitting and BBing. Especially when the internet went and found pictures of Fat Joe in row 10 and row 13. It's the fucking New York instant. My only response to Joe would have been, I feel like you're the go to this podcast shit, you my nigga, but I always tell you

that, and you're really on the go to this podcast shit. You my nigga, but I always tell you that. And you really on the, you on the goats floor shooting at him. Like nigga, that's the, that's the AA of podcasters. He's the fucking, he's the podcaster in the front row. Even if he's the BB. And you in podcasting now talking about it. All y'all doing is playing into his hands.

Yeah, that's right. That's the whole point. You play in his hands, he say something, you keep going up, but I think he knew what he was doing. How'd you feel when you heard that? He did it last episode when he went up there and was like, yo, these podcasters, these podcasters ain't give us our flowers.

We up here on the whatever number they debuted on the iTunes chart, and nobody gave us our flowers. I ain't seen none of these podcasters. You know who he's talking about. Right. Like you wanted to get, do your thing. Get to your spot without mentioning anybody else. But Ice, I wanna say something. Now I'm gonna challenge you, cause I gotta call you out now. What's up to do your thing. Get to your spot without mentioning anybody else. But Ice, I want to say something. Now I'm gonna challenge you because I gotta call you out now.

What's up? Call me out. This is equivalent to the rap beef. This is just, I got my pod, who the number one pod, nigga, I'ma shoot at him. It's the same concept. Oh, that's interesting. Cool. So when that, I disagree with that a little bit. I mean, no, the concept. No, I'm gonna say sense of the same concept. If I'm the top nigga in the game, and a nigga who's on his first freestyle is shooting at me,

I'm not responding to you. You gotta earn a response at least. Well, I lean in, not back. You said what? I lean in, not back. You lean into it. I lean in, not back. He asked you a question though.

Give the dramatic intro. Come on, you see what your boy's up to. I already know, I already know. I already know. I already know. Wait, hold on. Look at my boy. Look at my boy.

Look at my boy. Hold on. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest in the world, we here. We heard you, we heard you. Mic check, one, two. Now I'm coming to the table. Mic check, mic check. Ay ay, nigga in this porn chance game. Mic check, mic check.

Ten toes down. Yo, let me get that water real quick. Turn me up in the air. Yo, give me the lights a little bit. Let me get that towel over here. I'm sweating a little bit. The automatic floater. Yo, call out the masseuse real quick to miss whose girl

Come on. Come on. Come on. I need a massage Girl male up in this piece, How do you feel, man? They might ask you, when you heard. I wanna break character for a minute. Okay. I wanna break character for a minute, because you could have some fun with this, or you could use it as a really, really,

really teachable moment in front of a really large audience so Let me be mature and show some discipline and restraint and lead with I absolutely love fat Joe Have all the respect in the world for fat Joe Bought flow Joe when it dropped Jadakiss Flow Joe when it dropped, Jadakiss. I knew you was going to Flow Joe. I bought Flow Joe when it dropped.

No doubt. Flow Joe was one of the first instrumentals I spit on in like 93, somewhere around there. So I got to dip fire water, all that. So I have a different level of respect for not only Fat Joe, but I'm going to always support anything that Jadakiss does. Anything that Kiss does, he has my support. That's a fact. Shout out to JWan, shout out to Yonkers. For me in my 40s it's been really important

to unlearn stupid hip hop ideology. Like let me start with, there's nothing to even fight about here. Let's start with we're talking about a game where the tickets were the most expensive Nick playoff tickets and franchise history. You argue about tickets that the cheapest tickets in that building was 600, 700, 800. It was Nick's fan. Thank you. That particular game was a lot. So this is all just like elitist jargon. I want to start there.

4.0 versus 4.6. Secondly, secondly, well yeah. Secondly, the internet is not like a real place. I would have expected Fat Joe to know that. I need more than internet fodder to ever assume that there's really beef with somebody. Me and 50 have over 20 years and I never thought that that would escalate. And if I feel like that, I just need more than some internet chat for me to feel like that, number one. Number two, if you fight in the garden, you're banned for life. for me to feel like that, number one. Number two, if you fight in the garden, you're banned for life.

You're not doing it again. And if you're tough enough to fight there during a game, then my nigga, I don't assume any of us millionaire, multi-millionaire, nine-figure people to do that at the garden. I just don't, the lights are too bright. And we're there to watch a game, which is the other other brilliant concept I have which may be hard for people to grasp but if I'm at the Knicks game It's just cuz I'm a Nick fan I'm not there for the vanity play

I'm not there for the celeb role. I'm not there to be seen I'm not in the record label seats. I'm not in the kids seats. I'm not in the comp seats. I'm in the seat that I wanted to purchase. So I bought it. It's really just that simple. I'm not with all extra hoopla out there. I'm not out here running around moving with the leverage of my management company or trying to be buddy buddy or friendly with rappers that I'm not really buddy buddy or friendly

with. I'm moving with the leverage of my management company or trying to be buddy buddy or friendly with rappers that I'm not really buddy Buddy or friendly with I'm the walking embodiment of standing on my own too And you know that which is why you're using my name on your newly established Platform trying to get traction because I'm the best in the biz. I recognize that too Lastly I just don't know what Joe button seats mean and because I have so much relationship equity with Fat Joe, I'll wait for him to tell me. I don't want to assume. On one hand, where I come from, you would want to be seated behind your enemy if anything.

That's the part I didn't follow the logic. You wouldn't want to be seated in front of him. So if he was talking about that, I don't really get it, but that's on him. And lastly, maybe Joe button seats just means sitting behind somebody you make a lot more than. Until we get clarity on it, we won't really know. But be clear, reimagine how y'all mentioned my name in some of these conversations. I make a lot more than you niggas. So if I'm seated behind you, it's by choice enjoying some popcorn with my baby.

I say that with all the respect in the world. So much love to Fat Joe and Jadakiss. I'll continue to support their broadcast and hopefully everyone out there will continue to do the same. But this is a non-issue you guys everybody back to work Hey, if this is ever this is not a starter if this ever comes to be something then then we'll address it later But Joe and I talk this is non-starter salute to all and go Knicks always What was the thing you called it? A booze?

A booze-boosh? Yeah. Booze-boosh. Reset the palette. Do what you have to do. Right? Didn't work the way I thought it would, but you know. What'd you say?

Right, a booze doesn't feel boozed, you know? Yeah, like we gotta be, we gotta be, it's important to not let things that you see on the internet rile you up while things are going great, man. That was a non-starter. Shout out to those boys. And then it's kinda like the guy in the front talking about the guy in the back of him, the second guy, not knowing that there's 300 other rows behind.

It's like you almost disrespect those people. But wait, dog, if I was sitting in the nosebleeds, I'd make more than you. Like, my seat should never come up in your conversation. If I was outside in the nosebleeds I make more than you. Like my seat should never come up in your conversation. If I was outside in a lawn chair watching on a fucking mobile device, my seat shouldn't come up in none of y'all conversations. That was confusing a little bit, but teach us on. Any who's. How about now, is it moosh moosh? There you go.

Now my booze is amused. Yeah, all right. How about now, is it a moose-boose? There you go. Now my booze is amused, yeah. All right, there we go. We good now. All right. What else is going on in the world? They got Bruce Brown. They got him. Ice. Take it away.

Bruce Brown corresponding. Ice war bread. That was his freaking friend. Nah, they got him over in the United Kingdom. Picked him up from an old charge from an incident that occurred in a nightclub back in 2023, I believe. Way back then. And as soon as he landed, they were waiting and picked him up. I don't understand how they didn't have that situation taken care of or something.

Well, at least have your people to make sure we good. Nah, sometimes I ain't gonna hold you. I understand it. Sometimes things can A, slip through the cracks or B, you'll put your team on it, they'll go check and there'll be a whole another building that you had to go to. This happened with me in, where was I? Toronto or some shit where you had to go to a specific building on 6th Avenue to get the clearance. You could have called every other building in the world

and they could say, you good. But if you didn't go over there, they flagging you over there and we're locking you up. So sometimes your team don't know that building to get in touch with. Yeah. Sometimes the cops are pulling a fast one and they just did it the night before.

They just grab and snap them. Like you don't know. And he was denied bail. That's the crazy part. That's wild to me. And they hold him till June when? July 13th. Wait, what?

Hold on, they hold him till when? July. You sure? Somebody check that. I thought I saw June. No. And his first show out there is July 10th. So he gonna be in the bogey suit.

You gotta be kidding me. They know what they doing. It's dramatic. That is some wild shit right there. This sounds like, don't get that resolved. This sounds like posturing. The judge said it's too severe bodily harm. What did he say?

Too serious, grievous bodily harm case. I don't know. He allegedly smashes somebody's head with a paint bottle or a tequila bottle, liquor bottle. Well, no. he's ordered to remain in custody till June 13th. June 13th? Yeah, exactly. It's June, it's New York time.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Still, I still. That's still a minute away. That's still a month. It's a very different from July, though. Sorry, y'all, sorry, y'all. Man, he coming for a concert, now you sitting in jail for him.

I'm sorry. What? That is crazy, bro. You don't even know if you're getting out on June 13th. You're just gonna see a judge. Yeah, but you know what? He is crazy, bro. You don't even know if you're getting out on June 13th. You're just gonna see a judge. Yeah, but you know what? He gotta do it. He has to do it.

He has to go out there. If there's charges and you gotta get locked up. Whatever has to be done in these other places while he's eligible for these Grammys and while he's getting his global star shit back, part of that is I have to go show my face and clear up all of my grievances from the past. It's true.

His first tour date was scheduled for June 8th in Amsterdam. It's June 8th, right? Okay, look at the month of May 7th, I'm sorry. So we'll make you miss one of them. Damn. We'll make you miss that one, maybe. I bet they get a resolve before that. You cut the right check.

Have the right people in your pocket that you call the people and say that's what you need to do. He's doing stadium tours though. But a lot of times the... I think they're going to get that resolve. Overseas they try to set examples. You got a good manager, I know what he's doing. And somebody said to me that overseas might be mad at us for tariffs. Oh shit.

Nah, you can't take Bruce Lee to the tariffs panel man. Nah, shit. Nah, you can't take Breezy to Tariff Battle, man. Nah, nah, nah, you can't do that. That's crazy. Wow. They put a Breezy tariff on it? Aw. They took Britney Grindr for less. Straight up.

It took Britney Grindr for much less. Yeah, we could take Chris Brown with the tariff battle, nigga. No, that was for the Archangel of Doom or whatever that... What was his name? Archangel, yeah. The Merchant of Death. Merchant of Death. Swap him out.

This nigga's got a deal, boy. Oh my Lord. Yo, prayers are with Chris Brown. Yeah, for sure. I love you, Chris. Hopefully they get that worked out, especially before it's New York Day, because me and my whole family is going to that.

Yeah. That's why I had to check. Wait, wait, wait. We going to Chris Brown. Are you crazy? Mel, is going to that. Yeah. That's why I had to check. Wait, wait. When are you going? We're going to Chris Brown. You crazy? Mel, you going to Chris Brown? When is it?

August 12 and 13. You in Hot and Bother Bay? Little young boy, you running? All right. August 12 and 13. He dressed up today. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, who dressed you today, Mel?

I dressed myself. Because you dressed like TLC, right eye. You dressed like you ain't too proud to be. I'm like, creep. Yeah. I like this look on you. Thank you. I was going to take that all as a compliment.

I always been a sucker, though, for the fucking jeans that sag when girls are doing the whole. That's cute. That's cute. That's cute. Get this shit off. Thank you. Thank you.

What else is there? So we praying for Chris Brown Tory. Let's get to Tory. Let's get all the newsy, depressed. Yeah, yeah. I really newsy, depressed. Let's get all the niggas and shit news out of the way. What's the name of that group? Unite, unite, unite something. Some group. Sounds like a Mark question. Mark don't know because he's Team Meg. So he ain't checking for nothing. No group trying to help Tory get out. But anyway, some attorneys came forward and said that Kelsey's bodyguard during the trial

overheard some things. Unite the people. There you go. Unite the people. Thank you, Freeze. Unite the people came forward to say that Kelsey's bodyguard during the trial came forward to say that he couldn't sleep any longer knowing that an innocent man was in jail and that he overheard

conversations of Kelsey claiming that she was the person to fire that weapon and shoot yada yada yada yada yada. That's what we got. Doesn't that qualify as hearsay? And why is he just talking about it now? I'm just so confused. He didn't want to protect anymore he said. qualify as hearsay and why is he just talking about it now? Like I'm just so confused. He didn't want to protect her anymore he said. I'm over it, I'm sorry. It's ridiculous.

And all right so, again, he was not charged with shooting her. But he was charged with assault with a semi-automatic firearm, just charging the firearm. He was basically charged with shooting her. But he was charged with assault with a semi-automatic firearm, discharging the firearm with gross negligence. So what I'm saying is that, Freeze, if his fingerprints was not on the firearm, then that means that these charges should be dropped or shouldn't be filed in the first place. If his fingerprint was not on the firearm, that means that he didn't assault with

a semi-automatic firearm and he didn't discharge a firearm with gross negligence Yeah, everything that flip said also on the last day of the trout his bodyguard was supposed to take the stand but Due to somebody saying they were prosecution saying they would need more time with him which would delay things prosecution saying they would need more time with him, which would delay things. Tory and them chose for the bodyguard to not hit the stand. I think that was a grave mistake one.

Also, all of this coincides with the reporting from the neighbor that was not allowed, which said, I saw two girls tussling, she fired off and a man came and yada yada yada. So, I don't think that this helped Tory But it's funny how when when it's the man that's the victim and trying to protect a black woman Nobody gives a fuck if he goes to jail for ten years in his railroad But I learned that three four years ago post pandemic about y'all. So I don't even talk about it no more

but a lot of people with a brain thought that it was more likely that two chicks found out they was fucking the same nigga and one of them shot the other one. Versus two chicks found out they were fucking with the same dude and the dude shot one of them in the foot. Do with that what you will. He's away. I don't think he's coming home. Yeah, that's what I got for you will. He's away. I don't think he's coming home. That's what I got for you there. This is what I say. To the first part, I agree. He wasn't charged with assault with a deadly weapon, but he was charged and convicted of possession of a weapon, discharging a weapon, and assault with the weapon. But that wasn't his weapon, and some people know that. And it don't have to be his weapon to catch those charges. You know that. Say that again? It don't have to be his weapon to catch those charges. You know that.

Say that again. It didn't have to be his weapon to catch those charges. Yeah, I'm not saying it was his weapon. Okay, but I'm railroaded if whoever's weapon it was has immunity. That's a different point. I'm railroaded if that happens. We just always ignore the railroad,

and not saying that that means not guilty. I'm just talking about a railroad. A railroad means I should get a retry. I'm not- On what basis? I'm just trying to follow. Well, he was, well, Tory was arguing that his representation was incompetent.

Oh, that's a different issue, yeah. Oh, absolutely. I agree with that. I support due process. I want him to get as many chances. Tory's gonna find, well, it's his job now, right, to find as many reasons to try to get a new trial as possible.

Yeah. I find, here's what I, I have found that the people who defend Tory Lane's have passionately misrepresented what happened in that courtroom and what the evidence was. And for me, when I hear more information, I always have to double and triple check it, not because I have an investment in who goes to jail or not, but because I've just not found it to

be credible. In the case of this person who overheard somebody saying that they did something, I can't say he's lying or not, it's hard for me to believe though that this person is just coming forward now and it's hard for me to believe that Tory Lane has never explicitly said on trial, Kelsey shot the weapon. He fucked himself. And it's hard for me to- Actually, he said the opposite.

It's hard for me- She did not. Right. So now, and he, so for this new person to be telling the truth, it means that Tory had to have lied about who the real shooter was. Which he could say I was under the instructions from my counsel, which was poor counsel. Right. Or sometimes things are what they look like.

And so it's hard for me to believe that he sat there on trial, knowing he was looking at 10 years, knowing who the shooter was, seeing the shooter, being there with the shooter, and not only did not identify the shooter, but said the opposite, said that wasn't the shooter. That seems implausible to me. The outside person notwithstanding, I'm not one of those people that only wants to listen. I've been fighting from when we had

Bujumaw's liberation since 1980, and people have come forward and said, I was the shooter, I saw the shooter, and I've heard people reject our claims because they say, why would somebody come later? I'm not that person that says, just because it ain't my person I won't listen to them. That's not my point. I've been fighting for 35 years for justice for Roddy Roddy Piper

I'm only where's that skirt? No, no, I'm talking shit right now, of course, but but still market saying yeah I'm not like fuck that guy cuz he's that cuz I'm team Meg. It's not that it's it just doesn't it doesn't fit To me logically doesn't it doesn't fit with what I think would happen. I disagree with that, but I do agree He didn't do himself favors Why he didn't do himself favors prior to the trial? I don't I get that first phone call. It's a lot of the same shit. I mean, I got powder on my hands.

Everybody pull down, pull down, pull down. I'm going to say, I have not seen one person never go to jail for 10 years for shooting a ground and it grazing someone. I felt the sentence was longer than the crime. Who's the woman that shot up in the... Marissa Alexander. She actually ended up hitting somebody though.

Are you talking about Shine? Are you talking about Shine? I didn't hear you. No, no, no, the woman. No, it's the woman who shot the warning shot in the ceiling and there's a whole thing. No, I would just say I don't think the crime, so I think my point is this,

I don't think Tory thought, they're gonna give me 10 years for a cut on a foot. I really don't think he thought that. I thought it was the same thing, like yo, we had some friendship, shit went bad, we're celebrities, so we know better now because shit blew up and now it's like Nick I'm doing ten years and I like both these girls. I

Like both the girls not me. I'm saying him. Yeah, I have relationships with both of these ones I don't want to see if there's a way for all of us to to get out of this Scott Frieden I'd rather that option. I just think that they turned on him faster than he realized and option. I just think that they turned on him faster than he realized and he never caught up. But do I believe that Tory Lane shot, I've said this a million times already so y'all need me to say it again. I'm confident that he did. I'm not a big prison person as y'all know. I don't know if 10 years is the right sentence. I would say it isn't. Like three years feels like fair but 10. I think there's a lot of ways to resolve this. I't know if put him in a cage, but why do you think it's more plausible to Tory did it versus Kelsey? Based on the witnesses based on the fact that he said the witnesses that they allowed

I'm talking about him. He said Kelsey didn't do it. Yeah, okay Well, are you talking about the witnesses that they allowed including himself? Yes I'm talking about are you talking about what everybody's initial plan was, which was, hey, let's find the neighbor, let's let that person testify, and let's let the only other person that was the other bodyguard testify. You're not looking at that. I'm looking at- Because they didn't hit the stand.

I'm looking at all the evidence we've had access to. And I'm saying- What did your Philadelphia brain tell you? My Philadelphia- Like, I don't do well when we start talking in court TV. Take all the legal shit off the table. My gut, just what some hood shit is, I think he shot the gun, I think he was drunk,

I think he did some wild shit. I suspect Meg and Kelsey had some other shit going on, I know they got into some kind of physical argument. There could be more messiness, put it like this, I think there's more messiness to this case than the court proceedings would suggest, but at the end of the day, I feel very confident that he shot that gun.

Yeah, but that didn't answer my question. You from the side and you know a lot of things. He had gunpowder on his hands. He could have been fighting to get the gun from her and got the gunpowder on his hands. She could have got out shot that gun oh shit give me give me what are you doing give me. Nothing no one got. I don't think he's a gunpowder. Nothing about him says he would let that happen and then say she ain't doing understand if I'm trying to protect everybody I don't see it See it. I don't think that's where I think that kind of pressure. They don't actually know They know they were like if you got bad representation and they're telling you yo, we can beat this boom boom boom boom Alright, cool. She's gonna make it out. she's gonna make it out, and then I'll be fine,

I bet. If your lawyer's Ernest J. Frantz, I don't care who you've got, the worst lawyer ever, you are not going to tell your client, we have exculpatory, we have the shooter, you saw the shooter, we know the shooter, saying not only don't snitch, but also say that wasn't the shooter.

Even the worst lawyer in the world ain't doing it. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, but that's false. That's not true. His attorney could have very well been saying to him, like many people were saying publicly at the time, I think we got this covered. I don't think we even need the testimony of your bodyguard. I think with some of the findings of the gun accident.

That's true. That would explain why he doesn't snitch on her. I think with some of the findings of the gun He doesn't snitch on her that doesn't say why he would deny that he would actually Effectively perjure himself to put himself in the crime that out of the crime Well, because the story that he was he put that show the Instagram comment. He purged himself He just literally was replying to somebody again. I'm trying to keep this shit clean and keep it off everybody Yo, that was not true. No, she did not she didn't do that I'm not sure of that was gonna be I think I think a gun oh, I think regardless of what happened Oh guys, I think a gun went off. No one really got hurt

Everybody's gonna be fine and then the other emotional things occurred and that's what really drove him to go to jail I think that if they was all still friends and there was a mistake, it would have been like, no, we don't know what happened, and to me, that was my only problem. Like, you was, you wanted to go at the, you wanted to put him in, even though, mind you, maybe an inch over somebody would have been dead,

but it wasn't. So at that moment, it should have been like, well, it was a bad mistake, let it go, sentence, probation, but 10 years? I think 10 years is way too much. I think on on on his side They thought they were coming up with a story where everybody would be okay Yeah, and reasonable doubt it didn't yeah, all we gotta do is prove reasonable doubt that we don't know what happened

So we even her getting the immunity would be part of the reasonable doubt And what I think hey why she needed immunity that should tell you something right there. That's when I would have folded her True and what I think she got immunity. I would fold folded on her. It's true. The second she got immunity I would have folded on her. Yep. Unless she didn't do it. Then you can't fold. If she didn't do it I'd still fold on her. Oh you said, oh the fuck are you talking about? I'm trying to save my ass here. The only other person that could have did it did it. Some niggas gotta keep it real as they say. Yes I'm saying I think that's what it comes down to. What would happen to hip-hop. When keeping it real goes wrong. What would happen to his reputation if he would have basically snitched at a girl?

Yeah, exactly. Like, he might not have a career. It's like, it's a trick bag no matter what for him. I know, and that's where the, and that's where, let me cue up the ledge. Uh-oh. Let me cue up the ledge, cause Ray said it, but I'ma say it again.

I don't wanna trigger nobody. I'm going to say it again. go from york to Queens to Queens to get the food from Brooklyn Made money in Manhattan and never been tooken Go uptown to the Bronx and put me down We smoke more to Allen, the cops will lay around There's more risk than reward when it comes to protecting women from men Say more words No, not wrong

No, I will not, you will not shaft me Say more words. Nope. He's not wrong. Nope. I will not. You will not shaft me. But there's more risk than reward when it comes to that. Presuming that his story is true. Hey, I popped two of them. One of them tried to kill the other one. I stopped her, grabbed it, knocked her hand down.

Meg was turned around. We all was pissy drunk, leaving the pool party. Family get jammed up like that? Shit. And why, and I don't, there might be more risk and reward. I think doing the right thing always comes with more risk and reward. That's why more people don't do it, right?

So I might not disagree with you on that point, but why wouldn't, if that story is true, right? She's mad at the girlfriend for Fucking homeboy. They scrapping they doing whoop-de-whoop Why would it be important to her to frame him and? As she shot her In this hypothetical why would why would she be trying so hard to let her off the hook? Well, I don't want to say I don't want to, right? Because the stories say that it's greater than Meg,

and none of this is her plan. The story puts this in other hands that I won't say. So it's not about Meg. Meg is a helpless victim here. Meg has absolutely no control over story, her words, none of that. Like, Stockholm? No.

No, no. No. Power dynamics. Power dynamics. Okay. That's a stretch to me, but I get the argument. I just don't buy it. I'm not making it. I'm not qualified to make it.

I think everybody knew what happened. He got railroaded. Niggas was like, that's fucked up. But he seemed like he hold his head up He seemed good and then he got stabbed and it was like hold up this nigga might have got killed and then it's like So you know that's where that's where I jump off the conspiracy theory bandwagon I do not believe that his stabbing is at all related to the new evidence that they were about to release It go the other way around

Okay, what shape is that is that object on the table? It's round. Okay just making sure. Um because we go down to conspiracy theory training I just gotta know how far we're going. Nah bro I'm not conspiracy at all. Tell me why you think that's the most plausible reason. Well it was just a timing thing it's like Cassey been trying to get money from Puffy won't pay to drop the lawsuit pay in 24 hours. So to me it was just like a time and like Tory Lane gets after the jail Oh my god He got stabbed 14 times 7 punch your lung critical condition that shit tends to like get consciousness and people like damn or you know me like or He got stabbed or the team said

Let's try get out. Let's try get early release Let's say that let's do all the shit you do when you got public sympathy for the first time. True. By the way, that could be it either, but I do believe that the news and the stabbing were connected. Oh, I don't doubt that they're connected. That's what I'm saying. To Joe's end, I'll say it. I'm just saying, I don't think there's a mission to silence the evidence. I think he's like, oh shit, this might be an opportunity to make some money. I'm with you. But some people were saying it in reverse as the conspiracy,

as they knew this was coming and this is why the stabbing occurred. And that's what I was saying. That's what the conspiracy was. Who knew it was coming and this is why the stabbing occurred. And that's what I thought you were saying. That's what the conspiracy was. Whoever. Oh, okay. And whoever knew that this was about to come out. They wouldn't take him out. Take him out before this comes out.

That's what I thought you were saying. That's what exactly you were saying. Wild conspiracy shit. That's a great theory. I would just give you the first thing popped in my head. But that's a great theory too. I want you the other way though. Crazy theory though.

That is crazy to me. The powers that be are not that invested into our lives. I want you the other way though. It's a crazy theory though. That is crazy to me. The powers that be are invested in Tory Lanez. No, they are. No, I- They are. Who's they? To me, I think the system is.

I think that, listen, I think there's a clear cut attack on hip hop and black men in hip hop. Anytime you're a cool nigga, there's a tack on you. I just, it's like, it's obvious. Like, Tory Lanez in jail for 10 years for somebody got shot the floor and a woman, don't get me wrong all wrong But 10 years my nigga and let me let me add on to what Ray is saying even though I just jumped in

I agree with mark. I don't think the powers to be are so invested in Tory I just think at the time of this whole kerfuffle There was a lot more money to be made on the Meg side and anybody that can stop that money, well, yeah, now a lot is at stake. I don't think Tory was that important. I think Tory being the cog that could maybe stop that other money train is why it was important. And that's why I think why he's important is people were like, we need that nigga standing,

right? Where he at? I mean, I just think they did it though. They got him. They got him. I don't think they need to send prison staffers to keep him in prison. He's staying in prison. Well, the story that's floating around now is that,

first of all, we in the information age, so I know more than I wanna know. I didn't wanna know the charges of the dude that stabbed Tory. I never asked for that. I never asked for that. Right. I never asked for that. So thank y'all for telling me that he took a shotgun and I won't even say.

And he was a pedophile. Awesome. But apparently the word from that side is that Tory got disrespectful on a visit. With his wife. Yeah. With his wife. And that's how it came about. I'm not in there, I don't know what to believe, it's a lot of rumors, I don't know, I just

pray that Tory is okay. And it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. I think him being in there is unfortunate. I think him leaving the radio station freestyle to go to Kylie House because it sounded like a good time. Again, discipline. Discipline.

They're going to get most of you niggas through your fucking penis and the devil is gonna call with something that sounds like a blast he gonna call with a pool party with your favorite vixens your favorite models some drugs and ecstasy all that shit that they'll later take you to court for you have to be careful you have to be careful yeah that's that's what I got for black men out there. Like, be careful now, cry later. Cry later. What y'all got for DDG?

That's the one where my age kind of caught up for me. I don't know all of the details with DDG. So the latest is that his partner, Halle Bailey, or former partner, filed for solo custody, temporary, physical, and legal custody of their son, Halo. She says that DDG abused her both emotionally and physically. And because of those allegations, she has been granted that custody. Of course, the internet always has their opinions on what that means or the why of it.

And I think there's a temporary, yep, there's also a temporary restraining order where he has to remain over 100 yards away from both her and the baby. And that expires on the court hearing date, which is June 4th. See, this is my thing. If he did those things, then get DDG the fuck outta here.

But if he didn't do those things, there's a clear blueprint and pamphlet that's being handed out to women as how to railroad a nigga that they trying to railroad. It's the easiest way. If I want full custody, I don't want this nigga to see the kid, I want him to lose all rights and privileges.

Then when I found this shit that I'm about to found, I'm about to say a whole bunch of nasty things. And when you get your lawyer, he'll tell you that those things are for public finding. So true or not, it's going to read, hey, he did X, Y, and Z. And that's going to make you look away. There's no way for an innocent man to win in this. I'm not speaking on whether he's innocent or not,

I do not know. I'm glad you said that, my only thing is, is that it doesn't matter. The world's gonna hate DDG, he's a monster, fuck him, he needs to die, he needs to go away and he has to go through all of this process. So for me, I just wish that we can get back to the place where we give

and it feels like it's a man thing. Like men to do process of finding all of the things rather than just automatically painting them as a bad picture. Because to me, it's like we be with the shit sometimes too. We do it together. But for some reason, it's like with Bobby and Whitney. Everybody was like, Bobby got on drugs. And after Whitney goes, and everybody's like, Bobby was like, I was the lightweight.

But it's like, but look at how much Bobby career suffered because they thought that he was that. So to me it's like, niggas ain't weighing the risk when they dating angel face. She just angel face, beautiful, young, world loves her. Nobody would ever think that angel face could be on bullshit. If that's the case.

If that's the case. If, if, if, if, if. And this is where for me, could be on bullshit. If that's the case. If that's the case. If that's the case. If that's the case. And this is where, for me, the believe women conversation has to begin. And this is what I mean. Because people often hear when I say believe women, that means believe all women at all times under all circumstances.

And that is not the case. For me, it is though, let's begin from a presumption of honesty and innocence from the person making the claim. That same benefit should be given to men. It's just we, that's not usually a struggle though. That's not what we do. So if a dude calls and says certain things happen, we may be more inclined to buy it.

Not the courts, sometimes it's us in our society. Courts don't listen to men, black men very often at all. We don't either. Right. And so, in this case, I would say, let's investigate. Let's find out what really happened. But if she says that she's been physically and emotionally abused, and emotional abuse can be more complicated too,

because that can be, you know, there's relations, and every relationship to somebody who's probably saying to be emotionally abused, right? Not to dismiss it, just say it's complicated. But if she says, this motherfucker's hitting me, and I feel unsafe, I don't want to begin from a presumption that she's not telling the truth. And I think what I'm seeing online

is a lot of people beginning from that place, that this is spite, this is this, this is this. And again, I don't doubt that that relationship broke. That's what you see, oh, I see that, I see that. I see what Mark's saying. There's too many situations, Mark, there's too many situations of women crying wolf, Mark. There's too many situations of women crying wolf.

And these things keep coming out. So it's hard for you to just look at somebody and say, oh, she's completely innocent. You know what I mean? I think statistically, sorry to step on you, there's probably more cases of domestic violence than there are false flags. Yes, that's back in the day.

It's not back in the day. It's right now. Wait, stop. Because y'all do this a lot, and then it cuts. Give me a second. Finish it off. I'm not talking about the domestic violence issue. I'm talking about right now on the internet,

on the internet currently, there are a lot of false reports that's happening against men and men that are in position. Finding it is happening currently. Domestic violence, of course, is still going on. Of course, since back in the days, women are hot, they're scared to leave, they end up going back home and a lot of things, the worst things happen to them. I'm not negating that.

I'm just saying right now, with social media being involved, there are a lot of cases that's coming out where people are lying, women are lying on men. I just want toating that. I'm just saying right now, with social media being involved, there are a lot of cases that's coming out where people are lying, women are lying on men. I just wanna make that work. I would like to add to Flip's point, but I wanna take the focus off of the women and put it on the attorneys of women. It's like, it's big business right now.

That's where a lot of the shit that we, the attorneys come in and say What are you trying to get done? This is the way to get that done and attorneys come in and Encourage certain things to be said on these reports, especially if it's a man with some type of clout or power Hey, we we just talked about you just brought it up Wayne kicking old girl out the house Yeah, what if she went to a lawyer first before the internet? I do you want better than mark just said the other day You just brought it up. Wayne kicking an old girl out the house. What if she went to a lawyer first before the internet? And then it comes out. Mark just said the other day, yo, some of the things

that come along with Tony Busby I look at with a different eye. Well, why do we look at it with a different eye? Because we know that there's attorneys out there that's playing certain games and using people, most times women, as pawns to get their shit off. That should not negate the women that this actually happens to. Exactly. Yeah. But myate the women that this actually happens to. Exactly. Yeah.

My only thing is that we just gotta get to a place where men are losing things and collapsing before we even go through the process. And to me it's like, and let me tell you something bro, this really happened to me. These, I know these guys ain't smart. I really think I'm smart. Like you can't, I'm ready ahead.

So a girl I'm in a relationship with, very known girl, comes to my hotel room, cause she think I got a girl there. I don't wanna let her in. And then I let her, I'm like, there's no girl in here. So she push the door open and she attacks me. She attacks me the whole time. We in my hotel room.

As much as I'm getting attacked, Joe, the Virgo in me is saying, Ray say something loud. So I'm saying, stop hitting me. Stop throwing stuff at me. Stop hitting me. What are you doing? So when the police come, cause they came to the room and she's like, he, he, he, they said all they heard was a man yelling for a woman to stop hitting him. That's why I got off. Now imagine I wasn't smart to do that. That was my first day at Epic Records,

my first A&R meet and I just didn't want to be around her. And I want to focus on my shit and she thought I had a girl came and attacked me and all that happened and guess what I'm just and I'm like yo this can go bad she's hitting me I'm just like somebody hearing these dudes ain't young enough to understand you got to remember something deep and it's not saying who's right who's wrong but let's be clear DDG is connected to whoever he's connected to but it's not as strong as the people that Haley is connected to. Sure enough. Same with Megan Thee Stallion and Tory Lanez. So let's stop acting like they're people that are like,

I know how to get around this, but we gotta hit first. And this is how we hit. And it's unfair, but I'm telling you, and that same chick tried to ruin my career, told everybody he hit me, he did this. It was a lie. It was a lie. And guess what I had to do?

I went and got her back in front of all of them just to show them she was lying. So now I'm at the table with her again, like we together and they looking like, what is he doing here if he was that person? Nigga, I wasn't. She was lying, she just wanted y'all to hate me because she know I got the go and she don't.

That really be happening sometimes, sorry. Dog, I could talk for hours on my experiences, but I won't. Women be out here trying to get you. You meet a chick, they want money. It's natural, and by the way, men trying to get women. We all trying to get each other. We trying to get to what we want and they trying to get you. You meet a chick, they want money. It's natural. And by the way, men trying to get women. We all trying to get each other. We trying to get to what we want

and they trying to get what they want. But what I'm saying is that everybody's not all, one side is not all guilty and one side is not all innocent. And I'm like a fan of yours. When you came out, but the funny, the thing I like the most about you, I went to talk to you because I'm like, this nigga always takes the women's side.

Like damn, like can a man, like Mark, I love Mark, but I'm like, he always takes the woman's side. And he's like, and listen, if he's a man and he says he's can a man, like Mark, I love Mark, but I'm like he always takes the woman's side. And listen, if he's a man and he says he's a trans man, she's gonna take his side even more, because as a woman, you take that. And I'm just like Mark, we are black men are being attacked and you are one of the biggest voices out here. And what I'm saying is that if you don't give a voice

a reason, one of the smart ones, I'm gonna look at it as ignorant nigga, but you're a smart one, so if you don't give reason, nigga, you just allowing them to railroad as many of our black men as... What have I ever said to you? No, Mark, Mark, Mark, you always say I'm with a woman. I'm with her. That's what I knew you were. That's what we brought up. I'm like, I can't wait to hear what Mark goes on. I don't think that's the case, but have you ever seen me take an unreasonable position

on the issue between men and women? No, bro, I love, I'm a fan of yours. You never take... I don't think I... But it feels like it's always, if a man did it, he's the piece of shit. You feel like that's what happened in this conversation today? No, not right now, but I wanted to get your thoughts. That's why I brought it up.

Right, because right now you're not watching the clip, you're watching the whole conversation. A lot of times it's new artists. Yeah, for sure, that's true too. And when you hear the whole conversation. But that's why I wanted to get your opinion on it, but at the same time, I'm telling you, as brilliant as you are, at some point in time,

as black men, because you gotta look at, listen, I worked in the music business, and for 15 years of my career, I was clear, Joe, I didn't know I was black. I was a black guy that did business with everybody. So when you get in those rooms, you start hearing how they try you, how they drop notes. So it's a really slick, like what they call passive aggressive way of putting things in the air, saying, how Joe going to feel for this? So they'll be in the staff meeting and be like, Jay-Z is really not gonna let anybody make money with him,

so why would we do business with him? White man says that. What do you think he's saying that for? He's trying to read the room. Let me see how these motherfuckers gonna react so I can know how far I can take it. So when you just like, yeah, he did it, they're like, well, the educated man is saying he did it.

We can all say, when you should say, let's go through the due process. I love Haley, I love DDG, but I always look at who's connected to who because they were young and in love. Somebody was in the house like, this how we gonna handle this. DDG is a little nigga that just wants to fucking stream. That's all he wants to do is stream and rap.

I don't know what she is, and by the way, if you follow DDG, he talks about music, streaming, and his child. And his kid, child. Oh, he cares about. He idolized that lady. So, and another thing. Remember, I didn't start with you.

Not to say that he couldn't have done those things. No, that's couldn't have done those things no I'm not saying that at all I didn't say didn't I mean he did right well I began by saying this is why I begin from presumption that anybody male or female man or woman I begin from if you say that you were abused I begin from premise of believing you but also investigating so we can find out I don't think we should ever not investigate can find out. I don't think we should ever not investigate. Thank you for that. I don't think we should ever say, just because you said it is true,

but historically, when it comes to sexual assault in particular, if a woman said it, we begin from a presumption of, don't believe her. Prove you're not lying. Exactly. As opposed to, what was your initial reaction to Jussie Smollett? Same as it is now. You know, I'm trying to avenge that ugly attack that happened to him.

And I've gone looking for the MAGA people myself to help to liberate. Yo, Joe Faced was laughing. Half the room was like, this motherfucker. I ain't gonna hold you. I'm like, it can't be us. That's MAGA. It can't be us. I love it. Jussie and I are very, that's my, it can't be us. I love it. Jesse and I are very, very cool.

Yo, your network. Yeah, I'm not kidding. Yo, your network. Did you DM him when it blew him, boy? Hold up, did you DM him when it first happened? Yes. No, I called him. Oh my God.

Yo, get Miz the fuck outta here, man. The more, it was almost like disheveled, man. I mean, I'll be honest with you, I mean, I had two thoughts. One, my first thought, I spend a lot of time in Chicago. I'll be in Chicago June 1st, my way to check out there, also be at St. Sabina tonight. Oh God. Oh God.

That was amazing. But I go to Sabina, I mean, I go to Chicago in June for a reason, because it's cold as fuck in Chicago. You ain't never lied. Between September and like the day before I get there in June. May. And then it's hot as balls from June.

Facts. So when he said at 3 a.m. he went to Subway and he walked for hours to get, especially at Subway Sandwich. You're not walking to Subway. Who the fuck, not even Uber. You're not walking to the car. So it had nothing to do with race, it had nothing to do with sexuality?

Where did you stand on that Kevin Hart car accident? Kevin and I grew up like two blocks from each other. Mark, I don't care. He's from Philadelphia. That's my answer! I don't give a fuck anymore. That's your bias. I did not understand the question there.

That's your bias. I'm telling you. I'm not mad, man. Shout out to Cam, that's my nigga, man. Shout out to Cam. I didn't investigate that story. I don't even know the details. I didn't know more. Because we were so close, I was worried about his health.

Good save. That's all I cared about. Thank God he was okay. But when it came to just... Yeah, I mean, when I thought about that for more than 35 seconds, I was like, something... Honestly, it just didn't make sense to me. First of all, I said there's only one thing I'm leaving a hotel in Chicago for pre-marriage at 3 a.m. And then it's coming to you. Right, but I could at least imagine a circumstance

where I would go walking for some pussy at 3 a.m. when I was single. For a Subway sandwich. And you were 21 too. Yeah, I'm talking about my 20s, not after my 30s. I'm saying like, but he's younger than me too. So I was like, you know. Maybe.

No, I just wanna say that cause you're a smart man, I don't want these other, but he did it. I'm like, no, he didn't even joke with this. Yeah, no, I did it. And it was a bad choice. It's always a bad choice to do that. But I was like, he's too smart, too much money, and it's too fucking cold in Chicago.

So I then said, I went from a thing of I believe. And Subway, why? And Subway, right. That was the other thing. Nobody do that for Subway. No. Sandwiches ain't that damn good. Right right in the daytime ain't that good at all so I was like then I'm gonna focus more on supporting him and I did I did I did the first interview with I did the first interview with him I heard enough brother I didn't I didn't I did I did the first interview with him

during the pandemic about this. So what was the support? The support was to do, again, I don't believe him. I didn't believe him, but I also didn't think he should go to jail for it. It just wasn't that big of a crime for the state to be investing this much money. He doesn't believe in anybody going to jail. He doesn't believe in anybody going to jail. Yeah, but abolitionists, but I'm saying even if I believed in jail, it just seemed like

a lot of resources to spend for a nigga who made a false police report. That's all I'm saying. It just seemed like a lot. Oh my god. I love you I just gotta ask you do you think that is a lot for what Tory is in jail for what happened for the crime? Do you think it's a lot remember I started with a perfect. I think 10 years is way too much It's to me. That's not my only problem is is that and I think you hate you so much and it's like dog He don't I'm not saying niggas don't deserve be punished, but y'all be wanting to hang up from a tree You don't think we played into some of that? Of course he did. And I think that's part of why he went to jail.

But what I'm saying is that 10 years of shit. He didn't show no type of, like he went in there arrogant. I'm being honest with you, I don't think he thought to himself. They're gonna smoke your dumb ass for that. Ice, I really thought to myself, man, nobody got hurt. What the fuck they gonna really do do they just trying to scare me I really thought that and then we got that 10 years is like hold the fuck up y'all was serious Nobody got hurt for real. Like I really think that that's why he hurt enough

I mean, you know, I get it now y'all stuck with Meg music good for y'all He's still we still getting stuck with them slaps have at it He's still driving still we still getting done with them slaps have at it Fuck you. Hey, Lonnie. Ah. That rubs. And that's the bottom line. They gonna kick my ass. I don't give a fuck, nigga. I won. I won. I won. I don't give a fuck.

Holy shit. Oh, man. Yo, I'm so glad Mark came here early. It's my pleasure. We would not have been able to do none of this without that bitch ass nigga's dance that you take on every day. Yeah. Make some noise for Mark, yo. Hey. to do none of this without that bitch ass niggas dance that you take on everybody.

Make some noise for Mark. Hey, make some noise for Mark, man. He killed that shit. Mark is always for whoever he thinks is the weakest. Mark don't play, boy. They play with me. Who is that? It's Mark from my hill pussy. That's Mark. Shout out to Mark. That clip is so funny to me. Nah, you was in your bed. My boy Mark, they're not used to Mark talking like that. They're used to hearing him speaking about Al Jazeer.

And Gaza. You know what I mean and all this shit. Right, rights and shit. Hey yo. What's up, Queens? What up, Nitty? There's a lot of niggas out here turning up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

There's a lot of niggas out here turning up making airwaves. We had a great episode. We don't need this, but go ahead, cook. I mean, they turned up making airwaves, and I just feel like, I feel like we should show love. So do it.

You don't need to qualify, just do it, show love. It's not about qualification, but it's about- Then show love. But the person that need to show love is you. But I do think that we should show love, man. The niggas turn up, the niggas on fire, niggas flames. The niggas walking flames, know what I'm saying? And I think that-

Off air we was talking about Cardi responding to Rory and Boy. Who? Rory and Ock. And I said, listen. And what'd you say? I like what Rory is doing out there. I ain't gonna lie to you.

I like what- Just Rory? No, not just Rory. Don't be stupid, Rory is doing out there, I ain't gonna lie to you. I like what, I like, I like, I like, no, not just Rory, don't be stupid, Rory Andemaris. I like what Rory Andemaris is doing out there, I like it, they heating it up. They heating it up. You know what I mean? Anything from the Joe tree, I want the branches

should be long extended. Did you ever, did you let them know that? Did you speak to Rory or anyone? No. Okay. No, I haven't. I mean, you know, it won't be the, that Did you speak to Rory or anyone? No. Okay. No, I haven't. I mean, you know, it won't be the, that won't be the first time you deal with something.

I've never dealt with that. You're dealing with the same shit that Queen's flipping nigga, huh? I've never spoken to anybody. You're dealing with the same shit with Queen's flipping. I don't know what you're talking about. I got a song everybody can sleep with. My name is, huh?

My name is Tall, nigga. Huh? My name is, I don't want to say Fall. Yo, Ray Daniels almost made, Ray Daniels, let me let the audience know Ray Daniels and Imani Almost made me mad They showed you a picture. I think we had a great episode

We did incredible. Mark Lamont came in here early Let me let the audience know because y'all be hyped when mark is here on a friday main This is a solid when he does that When he comes in on a Friday main, this is a solid when he does that. When he comes in on a Friday main, I'm gonna pay you. Okay. I know we never spoke about it. I spoke to Mark yesterday. It was like, if you can make it, I'm not the most distinguished when it comes to charges against black men. I'm about to say something foul to trigger mail and we we about to argue and fight. Mark is like, thank you. It's part of the Mandoo, bro. Thank you, man.

Mark, that's gonna be a stick up with a flashlight in the daytime, boy. You deserve it. That's gonna be a stick up. You deserve it, yeah, both deserve it. Mark does deserve it. He deserves to get stuck up and he deserved to get paid. Thank you, Flip.

It was a good energy today. Yeah, don't check yourself in real quick, though. He almost got you mad because he showed you something, right? And you were able to maneuver through it. But I'm just letting you know, you got a big problem with your hands with this Queen's Flip boy. I'm telling you, I'll let you know right now. You think you got a problem with him with them other niggas?

This boy right here? I have Queen's Flip locked into a 2027 at a locker Well Isaac Hayes and niggas back in What's that show we watch when they did Niggas Dirty? Where Isaac Hayes and the niggas back in the house. Yeah, like, Stats nigga, watch your fucking mouth. Yo, I'm letting y'all, yo, yo, Danny Elevation, who else? Yo, I wanna see clips. I have Queens flip at a fixed rate till 2027.

Hey, actually, that's what we should call them, Queens fixed. Oh, shit, Not Queens flipped. You want your back? It locked the rate till 2027. Now, we do got to deal with when he has a hard out like today. When he say, yo, I'm leaving, we got to deal with that. But we got to deal with it till 2027. Make some noise.

Make some noise. Mark, I'm going to lock in this summer. I'm going to do like the Philadelphia Eagles and pay him ahead of time. I'm paying him sooner than when we supposed to pay him. But he's been such a tremendous fucking ass. Come on, let's stop playing. So it'll be a write off, huh? It'll be a write off at the end?

It won't be a write off. You sure? I'm watching a lot of your moves, nigga. Now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, coming off. For us to be able to afford Mark, cause Mark has taken this from the Joe Budden everyday struggles stick up complex so we could do a Friday show move. Mark is doing the Joe Budden move. I'm letting y'all know that

in 2026 some of your favorite personalities will be here via Zoom. Now we gotta make room, we have to pay Mark. One thing that can't happen is we can't tell mark we don't have And the new couches and it's not everybody don't need a voice Some voices will be made available via zoom You know for 2026. Oh I got something obviously hush up nigga. You know You know what it is people? Hold on. I got something you all been sleeping.

Hush up nigga. You know what it is? The nigga realized he could do it with less. You know when shit start to kick in, he start to look around and shit. Yeah, nigga might've, even though it was moving how it was moving, he gotta figure some shit out. And I'm just sitting here watching it.

I'm on the ride. Nigga this shit like Joe flags, nigga. What's the shit that just took down the Cobra Cop? King of the Cop. King of the Cop. Cobra Cop. Yeah, all that shit. We here, nigga.

I just realized what it could look like when you bring in professionals to do the job. King of the Con. Cobra Cop. Yeah. All that shit. We here, nigga. I just realized what it could look like when you're bringing professionals to do the job. People that really care. People that really care. Right? When there's a large audience, they fucking worked all week about what they would say.

You know what I mean? She worried about it. No matter where you at, whether you're from Atlanta, Ray Daniels. When she worried, she'd be tapping her foot. Big Mel? I ain't talking about Mel. I do not. Exactly.

Acknowledge her, nigga. Mel has already proved herself to be invaluable. Acknowledge her, nigga. Mel has already proven herself to be invaluable. Acknowledge our new male is already To be invaluable Acknowledge your male is already gang gang. I good Got you. I need my 10% also In order for us to successfully merge with Rory and Damaris, I can't come with so large of a crew. Right? Right, E? No, I'm lying.

I can't come with nine. Rory only coming with Demaris. I ain't coming with nine people. That's not right. Anyway. We got to figure it out. Don't take this out on people. Corey, don't.

Corey, don't. Yeah, I have something that you all been sleeping on. I'm not going to go with lazy R&&B as ice will put it today. I said sleepy time sleepy time R&B as ice will put it. Ice is my man fuck what y'all talking about and anything with uh, Isley Brothers, Voyage to Atlanta's flip, you got me. Y'all niggas is lucky I don't rap no more. I would call whoever did this beat and let my girlfriend have it over there I ain't gonna lie to you boy you got some shit you wanted to get on too oh my god if I had this right now

you'd be one brewing right there oh my god yo when you don't rap and you're fighting with your girl it's nothing to do you'd be like you'll be just an ass, arguing looking stupid, fucking like, your word is equal to hers. No nigga, I rap.

You don't. You make songs. Yeah, so anyway, this little number. I'm gonna play Two Chains, this joint is called, featuring the Isley Brothers, this joint is called the ATL Experience and boys. Shout out to College Park 2 Chainz. You boys is wild.

Oh, yeah. That's it. You can hear it, right, Parks? Uh-huh. Off to rest. Go! Oh, shit. Oh, my baby.

I love my baby, boy. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How many bars came from that arm? Just answer that question. Let me answer it for you. Before... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Oh I'm gonna be fuckin' kidding me 2 Chainz You have to be fuckin' kidding me right now boy Mr. Broke Sure Speak I'm too low fish, what's my favorite dish? Previous to this, I admit that I'm really blessed Titty boy the shit, poppin shit popping it Oh just like a zit

That's his common sense in the A These young niggas crazy, better on a stick Try and cost and I'm hey, I'll cast Tearing up the strip This young lady, she came to the A Just so she can strip I'm the boss, so just listen up Gave myself a raise My first night, dancing at the club Got swundered out the face How I rate, thought these niggas real But these niggas fake My simple race, my first night, dancing at the club That's when the doctor faced, how I raped Thought these niggas real, but these niggas fake So she leaned, put a girl at the club, then went on a date

They had drinks, and she gained her trust Told her bout her safe, that ain't safe Cause the girl she with boyfriend broke in her place And that age, I remember Tony told you about the age They gon' do like your vehicle, you don't park in the valet If you go into the bathroom, then you better take your drink If you can't find your wallet, then you better call the bank In the A, smiling in your face and stab you in the back

In the A, not only rappers, but the trappers got made banks In the A, walkin' Louis, I about to burn your whole collection In the A, if HIV rate had you, better you protection In the A, when you meet a plug, that's a real connection in the a better one around talking real negation You got no stain and your team don't have a championship so you don't got no rain Oh And I'm told, it's all too old All too old Now I know Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Yeah, yeah, yeah Na na na na na

Na na na Oh yeah, oh yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Woo, woo, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no Always come back to you That's brand new music from 2 Chainz. That's hard. Featuring Ronny Weisley and the Weisley Brothers. That is from the short film Red Clay. And that record is called the ATL Experience.

Shout out to 2 Chainz, man. Shout out to 2 Chainz. We love you, man. Come up here. Shout out to 2 Chainz, we love you man. Come up here. Shout out to 2 Chainz man. Hot. Alright, I'm going back to this album again for another sleeper. This is easily my favorite album to drop this year so far.

This is Don Tripp and Starlito. This one is called Mitchell & Ness off of Step Brothers 4 Life. Sometimes I think about what we had and I just don't know where it went I know I said I'm blockin' it, change my mind again Can't even try to pretend, you ain't even tryna win Can't even see that I changed, you just say I shed skin Sometimes I think about what we had and I just don't know where it went Make amends or avenge, sometimes I think about what we had And I just don't know where it went, make amends or avenge Look, I meant what I sent, I look better with you when I attend

Every event, I wasn't innocent, what about them friends' benefits I don't resent, not a cent that I spent, but tell your friends, eat a dick They probably want to anyway, so busy keeping up with them Meanwhile them hoes just in the way, I was sending flowers Spy appointments, dinner dates, getaways naps clear, your heart ain't in it Plus I need a mental break You knew I was a dog, big surprise I went in straight but you the one that fetched the bonus And my phone still say Prince Ikeem, she's your

queen Keep it clean in the face and silly not yours I'm on cloud nine, I'm on cloud nine Your pussy throw bad, and you know that And you know that Once upon a time I thought you fit the glass slipper Turns out you one of Cinderella's stepsisters Hating on your friends, same friends you call your sisters Careful baby, you might blow a fuse, how quick you switch up I heard love is blind Guess that's why I failed to see

If that's how you treat your friends you'll be even worse to me Sometimes you gotta let the heart bleed They say nothing in this world comes for free, I agree Silly you for thinking I wouldn't let you leave Come on bitch I'll help you pack how many trans bags you need I'm not even finna plead, you can't even keep your key I had the locks changed before you even reached the next street You like a mixtape strictly for the streets

I try not to rub for feathers, I want you to spread your wings So you can fly far, far away and not return P.S. to whom it may concern And that was Mitchell and Ness by Don Tripp and Starlito off of Step Brothers for a Life on your phone, DSPs, wherever you get your music from, go check that project out. It's amazing. I am going to Buffalo and Yonkers. This is Benny the Butcher and Styles P off his Excelsior project. The song is Toxic.

Shout out Benny. the song is toxic. That is more Bonnie's than Sweeney Todd May you beat the case like you Johnny Depp You're PNB's, Imani sweats, floor is like water if you ain't see a tsunami yet Buffalo to y'all cause the hammer is in a tiny vent, money in a match truck niggas ain't lying yet Too big for my city, so it's only fair that I grow from there Cause you came for the polar bear and the falling cherry, brick a bad dope, this dirty weight I'm cooking back So it's only right I left at 38 and took the ax From Sanctus Wind, fuckers y'all can never be friends My hoes be ebony skin and give me head in the bins Fresh from Paris, I'm a new whip and extra carrots

Smoking, playing old biggie, tryna catch the spirit You know that, you know who's coming You're the butchin' nigga, and he came with style For the pushin' niggas, and you know who's coming you're the butcher nigga And he came with style for the pushin niggas And you know the style we with the hookers nigga And you know the style we with the cookers nigga And we let it shine for the hookin niggas If the plump try to front

Let's hook the nigga if the niggas is food Let's hook the niggas if that weight is well Well let's hook it nigga Baby come from Buffalo Me I'm from Yonkers but I still pack a gun Better knock down a buffalo Cook the niggas if that wait is well Well let's hook it niggas Baby come from Buffalo Me I'm from Yonkers but I still pack a gun Better knock down a buffalo Nerd better turn in a hawk like Mark Ruffalo

Don't wrestle but I'm fly like I'm off for the term buckalo Top one, top gun, never did no maverick shit All I know you frontin' my hood, I'm not havin' it Lilac seats in a Porsche, paint lavender Niggas tryna act like a savage but they a scavenger This the kid who made a knot with my block, this 50 Now I got more songs than the locks with Diddy Y'all niggas sound confused, it's too late when the gun hammer

Hear the sound of my jewels, the only sound in the room They tell me I should be grateful, cause I used to be on fan probation Playing with a bankroll, monitor on my ankle I'm tired, so you gotta talk grinding when you talk bitty Nigga cuz me and money don't sleep like New York City The butcher coming You know who's coming You the butcher nigga

And he came with style for the pushin' niggas And you know the style we with the hookers nigga And you know the style we with the cookers nigga And we let it shine For the lookin' niggas If the plums are the front, let's cook the nigga If the niggas is food, let's cook the niggas If that wave is well, well let's hook it, nigga

I'm playing Griselda, watchin' Griselda Pray for the seeds, murk the elders I move work, pop off, pick the shells up We in Mildewaay, but I bet you that you can smell us We smell like money and the niggas lightin' the L's up We don't give a fuck if there's nothing that you can tell us The budget come, budget go, snigger sandwich from a dead man Bet you gon' choke niggas

They ain't tell you anything except how it hurt that you want But they don't know I had to play every first by the store On high alert for the law, watching my block As soon as they pull up skirt, then I'm gone You know that work getting tossed I never speak on your set, or I don't beef on the net These niggas on my team, the judge when they're lethal and jacked It's not a secret, you move discreet when you keep getting checked

These niggas mad and wanna beat me, so I keep getting threats The butcher and the ghost, nigga You know who's coming, yeah the butch and nigga You need a style for the butch and nigga The butcher and the ghost, nigga. You know who's coming. You the butcher, nigga. You the style for the pushing, nigga. That is Toxic, Benny the Butcher, and Styles P. Off the Excelsior Project. Shot to both of them.

Styles got me hyped this week, so I had to. Gotta shout out Benny. I ran into him at the Snoop premiere a couple days ago. Benny's the man, man. That's my nigga. That's my dog. He's a solid guy. For sure. Like, Benny's just a really good guy.

Absolutely. Excuse me? You got your death row pass on or not? I don't need a death row pass, sir. I don't do any of that. And you said Stiles, Jim Jones has responded. Oh has he? What did he say?

The difference between me and the mother old heads is my motion is present day, your motion was yesterday. I say that with all due respect. Facts is facts. Drop something. Stop telling me what you used to do. You used to be one of my favorite rappers. I used to have a flat top.

LOL. Okay. So. Most afford. Got it. Yeah. All right. Ice, what'd you call the music that you didn't want to play? No, I didn't want to play

What you got a sleepy time R&B? All right. Well some sleepy time fucking R&B Video fantasy dream girl by Juntober. I see what you did Yeah, y'all do your thing. Baby, take out your camera Baby, take out your camera Baby, take out your camera Baby, take out your camera Baby, take out your camera Baby, take out your camera I wanna be your video girl Baby take out your camera phone

I wanna take a picture for you Flashy lights hit my favorite pose I'm his favorite girl I'm his favorite girl, I'm his supermodel I can give him what he wants His fantasy girl, so keep it practical Find what you need and Late night dreamin' Of me, all you need, it be your dream, girl Find what you need and, late night dreamin' Of me, yeah you need it, be your dream girl

You're the one that I need Now that you're here, you can't eat You were right, you're my dream girl You hit me and fight, never seen before Flash photography Love when you're watching me Polaroids will be your favorite thing Baby it's me Find what you need and be your dream girl Love me how you need it, be your dream girl Find what you need and be your dream girl Love me how you need it, be your dream girl Fight when you need it Late night dreaming Love me when you need it Be your dream girl

Fight when you need it Late night dreaming Love me when you need it Be your dream girl Fight when you need it Late night dreaming Love me when you need it Be your dream girl

Be your video girl Be your dream girl Be your supermodel Be your fantasy girl Be your dream girl Be your dream girl That is June-Tober with Video Fantasy Dream Girl by our own resident Video Fantasy Dream Girl, Melissa Ford. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. Welcome No Yo, so this song I heard on the internet. I'm going to Indiana Big row decisions it's going viral I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I'm a real man, I The life that I'm livin', they say that I'm in

Cause niggas the dive, we dead, huh Grindin' my city, you gotta be with it Cause niggas will plot either way, huh To my eve, right next to me Cause niggas keep drivin', yeah, yeah Tryin' to stay, throw them bitches out of my peep It ain't no need to lie to me Walk the beast, it's high to me

Off the leash, no time to play Not staring my demon down height in the day They cut me deep, now look at the wound Help my own, got something to prove From my son, I should never fool She try to do better, got something to lose Ain't fuck the fame, I don't want attention Doing this music just so people listen Switching the floor, but still it's a mess Too many colors, but you see the immense When it back through, yeah, we slide, nigga Said, hmm, hmm, hmm Don't give a fuck who ride with me Said, hmm, hmm, hmm

You said that you go slide, don't care Don't know why you tried to play How bout we? Long slide to me We trying to go mid-Hollam away Aight, rules from the deal with some wicked decisions You looking like zombie food Aight, play with them Pizzles Kalanis go vision the treasures I planted my roots

They say the light them leaving decisions The making cool n makin' Co-niggas to dive, we dig Riding in my city, you gotta be way diggin' Niggas will plot either way To my E right next to me, them niggas keep droppin' Yai-yai, try to stay away from beefs Inside of my people, yai-yai They say the light them livin' this is them makin' Co-niggas to dive, we dig Riding in my city, you gotta be way diggin' Niggas that die be dead, huh Riding my city, he got a few 80-kin' niggas So plotty the weed, huh To my ear, right next to me

Can niggas keep droppin' the yi-yi-yi Try to stay away from beef Inside of my people, yi-yi-yi-yi We get in all the shit, the gold is survive I know the stuff will hurt, but know that it's time To have a touch, I do a life of the mess To fight the mic right, but I know I can't give up Darkness decides the light, I can't give up

He said, la la la la la Say, I'm in this fucking, this fucking talking Please find yourself safe to do It ain't no more talking, we kill them regardless You headed the types from you I back when it's less than nothing while the'm making cool niggas to dive, we dig Uh, grind in my city, gotta be with these niggas, we ploddy the weed Uh, to my E right next to me, these niggas keep dropping, yeah

Try to stay away from beef, sit side of my people, yeah Like it's them living decisions, I'm making cool niggas to dive, we dig Uh, grind in my city, gotta be with these niggas to die be dead. Running my city, he got to be with the niggas. I'm plotting the way to my right next to me. The niggas keep dropping the yai-yai. I'm trying to stay away from beef. It's inside of my people. Yai-yai-yai.

That's Big Rob, Decisions. Shout out to Indiana. Six is a beat? I think so. My fault. Yeah, it farts me out, man. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

Mark has a seven minute sleeper. And Mark is sleeping. And Mark is actually asleep. Holy shit. Y'all. Wait. And Mark is sleeping. That is amazing. This is balal sometimes. I'm going to go ahead and do your job for you.

Sleepers. Now you go ahead and get your rest. Mark is out of here. Go ahead man. No worries. You carried us this far man. A little throwback. Palau sometimes. I'm not playing the full song. Do we have to play seven minutes? No I'll be fading this after two minutes and 25 seconds. Yeah, wonderful. Streaming rules in effect. makes me spill out all my guns sometimes sometimes I wish I wasn't me sometimes I wish I was a droll or a creep Sometimes I wish I saw the exit sun first Sometimes I wish I knew the truth without searching sometimes

I wish I could go where I'd never been See what I never saw, do what I never did Oh, walk before I could crawl sometimes Sometimes I wish my eyes wasn't so red Sometimes I wish I had breakfast in bed Sometimes Brand new Belenjo It's all good sometimes That old music

It's all good Last night That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I do the same Hey, Slim You should be nicer than you are sometimes You take that complainin' shit way too far It's hard to listen to music I mean, I thought it was cute in the beginning but now I think you only do it cause you know I hate it sometimes You got me wishin' I didn't have home training sometimes Sometimes

Then it wouldn't hurt me so bad When I see my fucking you in your hands Then it wouldn't hurt me so bad When I see us in an alpha Put up your hands sometimes That is Bilal, sometimes there's many more minutes That boy can sing no, yeah, absolutely can I love blah yes he can Shout to below and the soul queries good shit y'all And the best nigga I ever seen sing off the duchy.

The who no? Off the dome? Off the duchy. You've been watching Godfather Harlem. That's what you've been watching. I know, I know. That shit get good too. Hey, I did start Godfather Harlem.

This season? Yeah, this season. What up? Actually, somehow I missed the finale of last season. What? I had to go back. I had to go back. I had to go back.

I had to go back. I had to go back. I had to go back. I had to go back. I had to season? Yeah, this season. Yeah. Actually, somehow I missed the finale of last season. I had to go back. What? I had to go back. The last episode I saw the last season was them throwing the daughter out on the street, doped up.

I didn't see Malcolm and- Oh, you missed the whole damn next season then? No, it was only one episode. You missed a little, you missed a bit. Oh, well, I'm on it. New season now. You missed a bit, Well, I'm on a new season now. You missed a bit. You missed a bit, bro. I'm on a new season now.

That's all. That's all I know. Bumpy Johnson there now. Flip you up. You awake. Yeah, man. My man, Mark, you awake, y'all. I'm refreshed.

We are, man. My boy. All right, good show today, y'all. Good show. Thank you. Don't look now. Great. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, today, sir. Don't look now.

Ray, thank you for joining us. Yeah, work. I got one round of applause. I went from visitor to family. He gave me that, right? Real quick. One good episode. You did great.

Thanks, Flip. You did amazing. I love when we're up here, man. Thank you. That's your third time up here, ain't it? Didn't you do two last time? Yeah, I did Kill a Mike and then... Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, man. Shout out to our then. Yeah. Yeah, man. Shout out to our good brother Ray. Shout out to A-body and A. Again, shout out to Mark for joining us early. Shout out to Ish, our brother Ish here with us in Spurrier. Hopefully, everything is cool with him. Our sister, Big Mel, didn't have to be on a Friday.

Came in, blessed us. Got an early exit, because we got to get right for that shit chain by the brothers, too. got to get right for that shit chain invited brothers too. But I hope you kill that shit. Is there a stream link that we can watch that? I'll find out. I'll put it in the group chat. Like you did with Jason Tatum's shit.

I think we might win a Golden Globes today, guys. Me too. I think we got it. I think we got it. I think we did it. I think we did it. We got it. Me think we got it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it.

I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it.

I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it.

I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did it.. It's on roll. It is. Okay, okay, fine. It's over, it's over, it's over, it's over. We done. We done, man. Really good broadcast today, man. Shout to the Golden Globes, the boy to the Golden Globes, the C-Suite over there. We see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it,

we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, we see it, Fuck you eat the blood, total come over now Yo keep us in your prayers, Lord knows we need to be there Till the next time we bid you adieu, farewell, adios, arriba, derci, hasta la vista, arboi So long goodbye, our simple head now to suffice Remember life is a series of moments and moments past So let's make this one last as if it's all we have ego. I'm feeling like Moses. I'm all in the ocean apart and divided.

I'm feeling like Moses. Be switching emotions and making them faces just like an emoji. Trying to open up emotions and it's you loving the coding. All of my killers, they ready to follow me. I feel like Moses. Lastly, remember the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women wanna drive.

On a closed mind, the women want you to teach them things Grab you a child and all you might need it until the next time they say stay dangerous Alright anybody doing anything interesting this weekend Anything we could exploit for entertainment purposes what we doing? What kind of show? RB Raveena Raveena? I like her I'm celebrating the kids birthday man

Nice Celebrating the kids birthday It's alright little man turn 6 I'll be down in Philly in Malcolm X Park everybody If you're in Philly today, Saturday Come down to Malcolm X Park for Malcolm X 100th birthday celebration. Okay.

Okay, that's fine. Joe, what you doing? This weekend, not too much. I'm hoping that the Knicks did they thug Thizzle last night. Right. Oh, actually Sunday I am running to Boston. My stepson is doing some football shit out there that he asked me to go to.

Oh, dope. That's all right. I'm gonna head out there. Love that. No matter what's going on with me and my baby. I'm gonna head out there. That's my baby. I love you, baby. Next weekend, my youngest son Lex,

it's his best friend's birthday. Happy birthday, Vincent. And I told Cynthia's ass that if Lex misses this party, it's gonna be hell to pay. Guess what she did, you guessed it, double booked. Sent me a text yesterday, yeah, he's got another party to go to, yo dog. I don't give a fuck about that party.

Nah, nah. No, he's gotta go to Vincent's party. Talk about Vincent, yeah. See, no more, go ahead. Let Lex not be to Vincent's party. Talk about Vincent, yeah. Mm-hmm. See, we, no more. Go ahead. Let Lex not be at Vincent's party on time. I know that. It's gonna be hell to pay.

Happy birthday to Vincent. And that's it, man. Y'all enjoy your weekend. Enjoy your family, enjoy your friends, your loved ones. The people that, hey, get around some people that really love you, appreciate you, build you up. You know what I mean? Let's do that this weekend. And go Nick! Go Nick!

Wait! And Mark, I'm like this. Right, I ain't gonna say that. No, we nervous. We nervous a little bit. As a motherfucker, we ain't got to say it. I can't, I can't. My spirit won't let me.

Yo, listen. I can't do it. I can't do it. In traditional Nick's't. One time, go Nick. Yo listen, in traditional Nick's fashion. Y'all gonna fuck it up. It is normal for a Nick fan to be nervous right now. It is totally normal for old Nick fans to say, yo, we're used to how the Knicks normally do things and we're a little afraid. The difference today, two words,

say it with me, Jaylin Brunson. We've never had a Jaylin Brunson. Charles Oakley is somewhere in West Chester saying the same thing. You know he can't go by the garden, shout to Oak. Pat Ewing is saying it. The Knicks have never had somebody that especially after a loss at the guard is average 34 35 36 so I'm trusting in Jalen Brunson right attitude that's our team captain he took a pay cut let's hope he leaves us to the promised land and that's that man and I'm hoping that uh ace Bailey works out in Philadelphia it's not a hate thing for me I hope so too I'm hoping that uh ace Bailey works in Philadelphia. It's not a hate thing for me. Yeah, look, I hope so too.

I'm hoping that Ace Bailey works out. Shout out to Ron Harper, his son. The Spurs, they're definitely keeping him. Listen, we'll talk sports later. That show on TikTok that is doing the imitations of first take, I think it's last take. And they now doing Cam and Mace too. If they are unsigned, where is he in that?

What the fuck is going on? I gotta talk to these guys. I met one of them niggas. They are all the way fire. Yeah, I met one of them. That show you all put me on about the Mormon wives, whatever, season two just started. This shit is ridiculous, bro.

Thank you, by the way. Mel, what's up with you? What it look like in LA this weekend? Hitting that katana. What we doing? We're about to be outside. With some new work. What we doing?

What we doing this weekend, Big Mel? What we doing? We making appearances? We in the hookah spot with some new work. Hey! I ain't got time for fucking hookah. I got bigger fish to fry. Wait, you got no time for hookah,

but you got time for new work. I got bigger fish to fry. Hey, Big Savannah. I got bigger in my heart, bro. I got bigger in my heart, bro. She's so awkward. Yo, until next time, peace, love, health, wealth, and prosperity.

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