The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 836 | "Alaska To Nebraska"

Starting point is 00:00:00 The thoughts views and opinions expressed by this podcast as well as its hosts offer entertainment purposes only I Repeat it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing revealing indicting Or telling you anything about themselves Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals. Do not have your best interest at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. You better shape up. Cause she need a man. And then she got the grease on. Man I got

Starting point is 00:00:36 a leather jacket in the summer. Girl who you trying to impress? It's too hot. It is too hot for a leather jacket, man. Okay, listen. I think it's fine. Too hot lady. It looks nice, though. Thank you. But oftentimes, the air conditioning in here gets a little,

Starting point is 00:00:49 good point. Very, very good point. I agree with Bill. Pops and everybody listen to me. The sneakers, she's not dressing herself. I told you. Hey, yo, Mark, she's not dressing herself. She puts, whoever matches her, they put it on, she takes a picture,

Starting point is 00:01:02 and she tags them. I caught her in real time. You so did not. When's the last time, when did I do something like that? Them fucking fancy ass Florida sneakers when the nigga dressed you with that motherfucking outfit. Excuse my language. He's not dressed, nobody dressed me. Let them know you got him.

Starting point is 00:01:14 You got him, Joe can't stop it. Nobody dressed me. I guess. Nobody dressed Mel Flip. Where she got them, she didn't go buy those, boy. I absolutely did. Would you like to check my purchases? My credit card purchases?

Starting point is 00:01:26 I, for one, don't think that we should sent her mail right now. I think I agree. It's okay. She's fine. I'm good with that. Even though I did see your girl last night. Damn, man.

Starting point is 00:01:38 I want to send her mail now. I should. I announced it too soon. That was quick. Too soon. All right, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She getting centered at some point. She was lit last night?

Starting point is 00:01:49 I was chilling last night. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I was chilling last night. Got the shades all up. Y'all gotta stop sleeping on dude now too. Hold up. Hey, I see why you chasing him around. He brought him up.

Starting point is 00:02:02 Hey, LaRoy's had it packed. I can't lie to you. I ain't no hater. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give it to you like it is. We got to stop sleeping at home, boy. All right, say no more. We got to stop sleeping at home, boy. Leroy, shout out, bro.

Starting point is 00:02:14 We'll talk about it, bud. Yeah, I was shocked. I didn't know. I didn't know. I don't watch that shit. Watch no fucking fire truck show. What that show was about? Chicago PD. Is it? It's a cop. That's a fire truck. Yeah, that's a fire department. That's the old, the fire truck.. What that show's about? Chicago PD.

Starting point is 00:02:25 Is it a cop? Yeah, that's the fire truck. Nah, they got Chicago PD, Chicago Fire. Chicago Dead. Better than Vaughn albums? I don't know. Vaughn albums, you're going to tell me? I wouldn't know.

Starting point is 00:02:41 You're going to paint the picture for me? From the other side. Oh, man, I had the other side. Oh. That's crazy. Mel had the patent leather pants on. I did not. I had a patent leather skirt on. Mmm.

Starting point is 00:02:53 That might not help the keys. I mean, what? It was, everybody was, you know, the dress code was black. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I came in with my little pajama, sweatsuit. You got the call this weekend, didn't you? The little pajamas You got the call this weekend didn't you? You got the call this weekend

Starting point is 00:03:07 What you mean? Yo you know you been going a little hard I'm ready She gave you that call She used to give it to me too boy Ignore that, ignore that Look at Mark This nigga said

Starting point is 00:03:23 I agree with Mel I agree with About 77 times and I know how to call stop call Hello, Mel, she's tough to do a big breath Got the call I did not get a call. I got a ball might have got to go. We'll know in about 20 minutes I got a stern talking to this morning. Oh I got the in person the face to face. Yeah Joking I'm joking. I just feel like Mel needs support up here and I don't oh she gets Support I always feel I always support Mel You didn't get the two hours and nobody else huh two hours two hours was the call I always support Mel. Oh yeah. I stand with Mel.

Starting point is 00:04:06 You didn't get to eat in two hours? Ain't nobody else. Huh? Two hours? Two hours. What was the call? There's no call. If you got the Ian with Mel call, your whole attitude be different.

Starting point is 00:04:14 You be like this. Chris Verines. I'm sorry. Jesus. This guy is stupid. I'm in my bag today. What'd you get? Fox.

Starting point is 00:04:24 Nah. Oh, that's good. Chill. I don't know what they threw. I'm in my back Be listening to them Christopher Rees family as soon as you say something about somebody up here Family is listening Family sitting right over the motherfucking Michael J. Fox. You can't even make no more. You can't make no jokes cat He's right. He choked back with ice water city. He did who Michael J. Fox. You can't even make no more. You can't make no jokes. Can't. He's right. He choked back with ice balls, didn't he? He did. Ooh, Michael J. Fox.

Starting point is 00:04:49 I asked him if he was going to do the mannequin challenge. And he responded back, said, shaking my head. I was like, that's funny. Please. I mean, was he being funny? Of course he was. He's Michael J. Fox. I trusted him.

Starting point is 00:05:03 He makes fun about that all the time. OK, OK. I trust his wit. OK. That's good shit. But why would you tweak that guy in that? It's better than the other one I had in mind. No.

Starting point is 00:05:12 I want it. What was it? Nope. Nope. Nope. OK. Do you know what it is, Mark? No, but whatever it is, if it's worse than that,

Starting point is 00:05:19 he's right. It was worse. It was worse. You can't make fun of niggas when they're sick, right? I mean, it's not really good. You're not supposed to do that. Unless they start it. Unless y'all are friends and you know it's OK.

Starting point is 00:05:30 It's port-a-tay. He doesn't. Unless they cut you off in traffic. And they don't have tents. So you looking at them, look, f*** you. Hey, you f***ing f***ing motherf***er. You cannot say that. No, we bringing that back.

Starting point is 00:05:44 No, yeah, I ain't going to lie. Yo, I saw a guy yesterday. Yeah. No, so I was in Houston, and it was a talent show. And in the middle of the talent show, they had a break. And the DJ, I videotaped it. Mark, I think I put the edit all of this out. Where?

Starting point is 00:05:59 OK, you know what? I'll leave it alone. No, no, no, I got questions. The DJ started playing his music and he got off, he took off his goggles and his helmet. He goes to the middle of the floor and says, I want the guns. And naturally I took out my video camera.

Starting point is 00:06:14 Can I see it? Yeah, I'll send it to you. No, you definitely can't record them. You can do it, you just can't post it. It goes against your ethics and morals, bro. But the crazy thing is, he starts getting it. He had moves.'t post it. It goes at the yeah No, but the crazy thing is he starts getting it. He had moves He they have a special power for when you record them, they know so then they start cutting the rug They know when it's a special sense they got he got

Starting point is 00:06:39 You ain't never been in the party and they can start getting it. Oh, I'm sorry parts Let's think of another word to say, because this is a good topic. The different guy. The different guy. Special. Special's bad, too. You ain't never been to a party and the different n***a start busting his moves. He was practicing in the room, and then it'd be a different girl, too. You start shouting, go, Hattie, go, Hattie, go, Hattie, soup in the mouth.

Starting point is 00:07:04 I forget it I'm showing it to ice right now I did actually once have that in a note what I was at a wedding once and they brought out a disabled individual that's not appropriate either okay in like on the dance floor niggas got radios and they got a listen. Shut up. I'm down with they got something what they got. You know you are. They always got them head phones. You can make six jokes. I just heard you. Yeah, we know you down with them. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:07:36 but I not I thank you for this. Yeah, yeah, real quick. Park. I've lost my train of thought. If it's if it's morally, if it's right. It's wrong. It's not as wrong as it seems. It seems a little foul. Yeah, I think so. I'm sorry, Flip. Don't be my niggas. You ever go dap him after the dance? He's jumping at you. I'm saying that. You're right.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Y'all don't have enough fucking discourse with the community. Or enough coot not to use all of the wrong words so you can have the conversation. Because it is a good conversation. What is the right word now? Handicapable. That can't be the right word. That can't be right.

Starting point is 00:08:15 I think it is. That was a freestyle? Or you did it for real? I am serious, yes. Because she'd be writing about these shit. Handicapable. For someone who mentally. We'd be laughing up his throats. She'd be dead ass right now. Handy capable. Of course, I'm on the mental. We'd be laughing at the storm. She'd be dead ass, right?

Starting point is 00:08:25 Well, I mean, I believe that that would also be considered a handy cap, especially, exactly. So handy capable. So you're mentally handy capable, you're saying? The person would say. It seems, yeah, I can't do this. It's too wordy. The term handy capable is generally considered

Starting point is 00:08:46 an outdated and often offensive euphorism for disabled. It's hard to keep up. Which is also, the term should be intellectual disability. That's what I thought it was. Okay, there we go, all right. Sorry, listen, it's hard to keep up. Okay, they develop a new term that is PC and appropriate every five minutes.

Starting point is 00:09:04 I vote. They say this whole pod outside of Mark is intellectually disabled. That sound like it applied. We need a different term. I don't fuck with niggas that call me that in the street. Intellectually disabled. That's too many syllables for you to even think

Starting point is 00:09:25 you could get off in front of me. I ain't gonna hold you. Something gotta happen. All right, I found some little take that calls people pussies and I totally agree, so I'm playing it. A take has never hit me harder. Let's see.

Starting point is 00:09:43 Where is this take? Mel, you be in my phone, you be in my computer, you break all types of privacy rules. Okay, I'm sorry. Anyway. How it's happened, but I'll give you my take on it, right? We've never talked about mental health more before, yet somehow we've become weaker because instead of building emotional strength, we've built a culture that rewards emotional fragility. We've made

Starting point is 00:10:12 it normal to break down over minor inconveniences. We've convinced people that if something makes them uncomfortable, it must be harmful. We've created a world where feelings aren't just acknowledged. They're treated like the absolute truth. And we know that feelings are not facts. And here's what that looks like in real life. Discomfort is mistaken for danger. If a conversation makes you uneasy, it must be toxic. If a person challenges you, they must be unsafe.

Starting point is 00:10:39 If a situation gives you a hard time, it must be harming you. Boundaries are also being used as walls. Instead of learning how to have difficult conversations, we shut people out completely. Instead of addressing issues, we disappear and call it self-preservation, or I'm protecting my peace or my mental health. Struggle is now being labeled as crisis, as a crisis.

Starting point is 00:11:03 We've also blurred the lines between real hardship and normal life challenges. And instead of navigating stress, we call everything overwhelming. Instead of working through difficulties, we assume that we're just burnt out. We protect feelings over growth. And instead of asking, what is this teaching me?

Starting point is 00:11:21 We ask, how do I make this stop? Instead of allowing emotions to come and go like they define us we've created a mindset where people believe that emotions should be protected instead of processed life isn't going to tiptoe around you the world isn't going to adjust itself to your emotional need. Oh, first verse. She smoked that. What? What did you say Mark?

Starting point is 00:11:51 Say it. We'll fight about it later. We'll fight later. You find that harmful, huh? Fuck you. I felt unsafe. Mic check, mic check. one, two, one, two I'm in that dog again, I'm in that flow again

Starting point is 00:12:08 Switch up the flow again, yeah, yeah Fly that nigga up, she reapin' the phone again I'm on the wrong again, yeah, yeah Came here cooked, gotta get paid King of streets, I'm your nigga, mage Friend of the crowd, take to the grave They hear Impala go sippin' the bar Shout out to everybody here from out of town

Starting point is 00:12:25 Everybody on vacation right now Wherever you might be listening from Shout out to the subgroups and the head listeners I'm not forgotten Trippin' all the way up to your jaw Step on the swag when I step on my bra Two dollar hair, ooh that's the cheapest one Stacking these vengers up like coupons Told you from another game, up a S and I Now I get to stackin' them Whole Jersey, whole New York City Everybody in the DMV, everybody in the Carolinas Boston, what up though?

Starting point is 00:13:13 Everybody outside right now, everybody inside Everybody hard at work right now The 95's, the entrepreneurs and all that Rest in peace, take off Rest in peace, take off! Rest in peace, best bet! Everybody in the car, watch pop it I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I- Always for the ladies, always for the ladies! What up? Y'all mean, shouts to the niggas out on days right now. Everybody at the low spot making it hot right now. You told me you went on my purpose You're doing whatever to hurt me

Starting point is 00:14:46 Ooh, yeah, n***a, nobody can do it like you did, nah, nah Ooh, I need another deep cool n***a coupe like Gaga And I don't know how I got service I wanna buy a new birthday She wanna pop a new braids She wanna pop a new braids Microphone check I said Wake it up I said It's the ocean I'm part sorry Here it goes! Everybody in the air right now! Congrats, congrats, congrats! This women feel like mouses Got one kill, women feel like mouses

Starting point is 00:16:05 Got a yacht on the floor, feel like mouses This got a run bad, bitch Keep the applause going for Gang Gang Gang Gang God's Gang, not the Rico type gang Get theses right quick What a show we got lined up for y'all today Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? It's Mark from our hell.

Starting point is 00:16:50 Flip and Mel. Mel. Mel. What episode is this? Welcome to episode 836 of the Joe Budden podcast. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, highly favored, happy to be here, host Joe Budden here with some really amazing people. Gang gang gang to my right. You know the vibes, happy to be here. Host Joe Budden here with some really amazing people.

Starting point is 00:17:05 Gang, gang, gang, to my right, you know the vibes, you know the legend, you had a TV, hopefully, when the box was out. You seen the video before. Melissa Ford is in the building, stop playing with her. Stop playing with her. Queens flip, Queens get the money, is in the building, stop playing with him.

Starting point is 00:17:18 Stop playing with him. And he outside too, say something, he on what you on. Tell him. I love when you go learn some young slang. Come on, come back, bring it to us. Come on, he on what you on. I'm outside when you go learn some young slang come on come back bring it to us yeah what you want I'm outside yeah this shit. My ball is at home? Ball in the chain. What?

Starting point is 00:17:47 Remember the joint? They said my ball is considered. Antoine is here, y'all. Make some noise. Old ass nigga. Antoine is still in the building, man. King, King, King of Elizabeth, Mr. Birthday man himself. Mr. Take it further.

Starting point is 00:18:02 Freeze is in the building. Freeze. Mr. Happy Birthday. Happy Birthday, Freeze. Thank himself, Mr. Taken Further. Freeze is in the building. Freeze! Happy birthday, Freeze. Happy birthday, Freeze. Thank you, gang. Brother Mark Lamont Hill is here with us. Make some noise. Fresh off the flight.

Starting point is 00:18:12 Fresh off sleeping on a dirty airport floor. Looking as tired as could be. You're a three-time Potter of the Month guy, huh? That's how much I love the people, man. I'm here anyway. Hey. Yeah, yeah. That's your Adderall dealer making a killing. I wish. That's what much I love the people man I'm here anyway. That's your Adderall dealer making a killing.

Starting point is 00:18:27 I wish. I got some shit. Why you can't say that? Streets know niggas is making a fucking killing off that Adderall. They making a killing off of a bunch of shit. I don't have nothing. I don't know where to run. Anyway, big bucks in the bin! Yeah! Paul is here, Trey is here, Cory is here, Erickson is here, Savon and Tanner are here by remote last, but certainly not least each and every one of you guys are here.

Starting point is 00:18:56 Don't forget this episode is brought to you by Fueled by, powered by, funded by PrizePix, PrizePix gang, you! How's everybody doing? How y'all feeling? What's poppin'? Feeling good. powered by, funded by, Price Peaks, Price Peaks gang. How's everybody doing? How y'all feeling? What's popping? Feeling good, man.

Starting point is 00:19:07 Feeling good. Take that off, nigga, it's kind of hot. I was wondering. We'll take that off. It's just kind of fly though, I like that. Thank you, Parks. Appreciate that. Rich.

Starting point is 00:19:16 Feels good, man, it's Friday. The rich. The rich. The rich. The whole monochromatic look. Yeah, that's expensive. Yeah, center him. Center him. Y' monochromatic look. Yeah, mm-hmm, that's expensive. All right, yeah, center him. Center him.

Starting point is 00:19:27 Y'all done? Who should we center? Nobody, it's Friday, we are here, we're happy. It's good to see everybody. Yeah, nigga, smile. Smile, old man. It's just summer, okay? It is the summer, finally.

Starting point is 00:19:39 Yeah, and I'm happy to see you. No, not. Hell yeah, it's supposed to be 100 degrees next week. Next week will be summer. Oh, like, I'm talking about weather wise. Saturday is the official day of summer. All these last two weeks niggas been walking around, oh, it's raining this summer.

Starting point is 00:19:52 I'm like, no it ain't. Oh, you believe in constructs. Yes. Saturday is officially summer. I know that summer ain't the beginning of June, and then these niggas think it lasts till mid-October. June 21st. Man, we know our real calendar.

Starting point is 00:20:05 Summer is Memorial Day to Labor Day. That's summer. That is the, yeah. That's summer. Yeah, right. For the blacks? Yes. That's true.

Starting point is 00:20:13 I don't care about all that, what day in June. For us. Yeah, for us. Oh shit. I got it. The blacks. You people. You mean for us, you mean. We got you. We got you in real time. You mean us. We got you.

Starting point is 00:20:26 We got you in real time, man. We got him. He hated it. He blacked you down, nigga. I hate that I'm black. I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.

Starting point is 00:20:34 I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.

Starting point is 00:20:41 I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. What's up with y'all? Shit feeling good. What y'all wanna start arguing about? We're debating about. We're giving information about, learning about. We could jump right into where we left off.

Starting point is 00:20:50 Billboard's top 25. On Patreon we did that, but I'm not mad. They announced the last 26, the rest of them. If they're not subscribed to Patreon by now, they should. They ain't losing out. That's true, subscribe to the Patreon. That was a good conversation too. It was. It really was. Shout out to all the new people out there here. I wasn't mad at the That was a good conversation to us. It really was shout to all the new people over here

Starting point is 00:21:07 I was about at the three and a half hours last night. That's the first time I went mad at it. Yeah Anyway, I cousin Joe out wait what happened as I mean a parking lot cousin They park it like cussing you fucking out. Why? I look good in the car tonight. That's why. How often does that happen? Not very. Not very.

Starting point is 00:21:30 It's not quite that late, no. It's different than what you told me, but I accepted it. There you go. Yeah. What I told you. Oh, you told me. We've had six, six, 30 most days. Well, that's normally true.

Starting point is 00:21:42 That hasn't been true in a very long time. Normally might mean something different to you. That's actually. I'm sorry. And me too. That's actually the rarity. I'm sorry. Y'all all right?

Starting point is 00:21:53 I'm wrong. What I meant to say is that normally happens when the day runs like it's supposed to run. Shade. Also not true. But it's funny. That's not true. For real, if that's not true

Starting point is 00:22:10 He did the same thing when he had videos in the tuck if shit runs smoothly He wants shit. He wants to keep going. That's him He gets a bang for his buck when we have videos in the tuck and he promised us Yo, we have five in the tuck that niggas and take a day off Tuesday Thursday Thursday He was dropping to Patriots. We come in here looking at him, Joe, what's up? The people love it, they eating outside.

Starting point is 00:22:29 That's his shit, man. You getting up in potential. This is awesome. Listen, for me, this show is a blessing. There you go. It is. The people that come, the complaints, the people that reserve the right to complain are the coal miners, the teachers that are teaching our kids.

Starting point is 00:22:43 Each our place right now. There we go. The firefighters. Like I said, the coal miners. the teachers that are teaching our kids. The teachers right now. Here we go. The firefighters. Like I said, the coal miners. The firefighters out there. The police that are trying to make the streets safer. Like I come in here and talk with my friends for a living. There's nothing to complain about.

Starting point is 00:22:56 We love it. Like these are my, I love y'all. We love you too. Nothing to complain about for me. We love you too, Joe. Anyway. Shame. He's so foolish. Billboard! Back there, back there. Yeah, back too, Joe. Anyway. She's so foolish. Billboard.

Starting point is 00:23:05 Back to the back. Yeah, back to the back. Billboard put out the list. That nigga need to write a Billboard. Let's go, Ish. Get that nigga up. Oh, he good, boy. We ain't going to let the nigga slide.

Starting point is 00:23:16 Get a wish. You are a rapper, boy. Extraordinaire. Billboard put out a list, 75 of the greatest R&B acts of all time. So we went through the list and now they've just put out their final 20, 26, 25. I'd like to start this topic with an apology

Starting point is 00:23:32 because I watched it back. I maybe was a little hard on Aaliyah. I maybe was hard on Aaliyah. Yes. Y'all was hard on a few people. I agree. I think she should be on the list. I just think she should be a lot lower on the list.

Starting point is 00:23:46 Where was she 40-something? That's my position. She was at 40 I think. That's insane. Yeah. Leah in the 40s is insane. Well I had a Dionne Warwick in some people. I had a Dionne Warwick.

Starting point is 00:23:54 In comparison to a lot of the people that were in the 60s and the 70s. But like Free said, the criteria is what's important. I don't see no criteria where she's in the 40s. Impact? Again, I don't see it criteria where she makes with this on which is in a for impact Again, I don't see it. Oh, no her impact was definitely major No, no, no, but I'm saying her impact isn't so high that it trumps all the other Her yeah, she might still be ahead of a couple people. Yeah, I have to go back and look but she she was impactful like Romeo must die. No, I'm talking about like the kind of everyday girl R&B singer vibe

Starting point is 00:24:25 that still is here today. It was on the criteria on that list though. There was but she had hit too like. She had some of them. Rest in peace Aaliyah. I just don't think she has the album that puts her in the 40s. On accolades. I don't know about that. It's other, like, again, we go with just off of that criteria. No. And rest in peace, Aaliyah. Rest in peace. Huge again, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:50 We're not going to do that. Yeah, let's get to the top 10. Let's do it. No. Can I remind people what 25 down? Because we left off at 26. We left at 26. All right.

Starting point is 00:24:59 So you want to do 25 down? Yeah, so basically we'll start at 25. Yeah. All right, 25. Patti LaBelle. That's fair. basically we'll start at 25. Yeah. We can fly through it. All right, 25, Patti LaBelle. That's fair. Hard to be bad at that. 24, Bill Withers. Yes.

Starting point is 00:25:13 23, Teddy Pendergrass. That's a little crazy. I got it, I got it. I thought it would have been high. This whole run I feel like is a little crazy. Yeah, it gets a little tricky. Well, not tricky, you think Teddy? It's crazy as hell. I feel like when we listen to the rest, it gets a little tricky. Well, not tricky, it gets crazy as hell. I feel like when we listen to the rest,

Starting point is 00:25:27 then we'll probably. It may give you this perspective. Yeah, keep it going, I'm not gonna. All right, 22, Luther Vandross. We gotta interrupt now. Yeah. Right here. Them two, Teddy and Luther.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Teddy and Luther. Need to be way higher. Never are that high. 22. It's crazy. 21, Donny Hathaway. 20, Otis Redding. That's about right. It's crazy 21 Donny Hathaway 20 oldest reading that's this whole run is tough for me. Go ahead 19 Smokey Robinson 18 Al Green

Starting point is 00:25:57 17 Janet Jackson 16 Mary J Blige I live it. I live with that. I live with that too. Over to some of the mother names that was in the 25 down. Teddy, Luther should be higher. Teddy to me is right where he should be. And I'll tell you why. Only because of that, again, that group versus individual dynamic.

Starting point is 00:26:18 If you start counting Harold Melvin in the blue notes, there is no way he should be there. Yeah. And that's, you say he should be lower then. And from what we've seen in the 26 to 75, a lot of those people, they didn't exclude their group work. Because if they excluded some of their group work,

Starting point is 00:26:32 they wouldn't even be on the list. And that's why the list is a little janky to me. Because sometimes I agree with you. It seems like you're only there because of these things. Because of the impact that you made with these groups. Yeah. OK. 15, Isaac Hayes.

Starting point is 00:26:47 14, Curtis Mayfield. Okay. 13, Sam Cooke. Yeah, we could. 12, Usher. Sam Cooke don't go before a lot of them names from 17 to 23. I feel like- I agree with that too. I feel like we could swap their 12 to 16 with

Starting point is 00:27:06 17 to 22 and nobody would like Curtis Mayfield Isaac Hays no disrespect. I would take Teddy P and Luther and put them and swap those numbers I probably would too. I would swap those numbers without a problem saying oh, okay. Okay, so that was 12 11 Ray Charles I Was thinking about his name on the drive home. He's another tricky one because all the crossing the genres Well, a lot of this is tricky genre crossing to be honest with you, but we'll get to that in a minute You can't put Ray Charles 11 and Smokey Robinson at 19 What was he 19? I think I don't think there's that much space between them two unless you start talking about smoky and miracles

Starting point is 00:27:46 I don't know what they're counting as individual versus and not only that Ray I'm a smoky higher. Yeah, and not only that Lake Park says there's a lot of like cross-genre stuff that Ray Charles is where smoky is is not yeah He's R&B his whole career is R&B basically and in the 1950s when they started making race records I mean the idea of a race record some people call it soul some kind of R&B basically. And in the 1950s when they started making race records, I mean the idea of a race record, some people call it soul, some people call it R&B, some people call it, you know what I mean? I don't know, I don't even know R&B means anymore,

Starting point is 00:28:12 given all the people in this group. That's true. Yeah. So. Sorry Ray. It felt like old school race records rules as far as defining the genre here. That's what it seems like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:24 All right, we at the top 10. Number 10, Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye. Whoa, that's low. Ooh. I expected him higher. I thought he would have been higher. I thought Al Green would have been higher.

Starting point is 00:28:35 But would you keep going? Yeah. Nine, R. Kelly. Nine is R. Kelly. I know Planet is R. Kelly, respectfully higher than Marvin Gaye. Except maybe Earth. No. Parks planet is R. Kelly, respectfully higher than Marvin Gaye. Except maybe Earth. No.

Starting point is 00:28:46 Parks, you have a fight? Huh? You would have a fight. Like if you pulled the masses, that's not as cut and dry. I think it's generational. That could be R. I think it's generational. I think every listed. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:59 You always say that, yeah. Because I would have had R. Kelly like number five, just off the top of my head without looking at the list if I just had to pull a number But when I see who's above him, I can't get that man. I wouldn't had him at five I would have had him about seven. I would have had him kind of where he is I would just would have had Marvin Gaye higher than R. Kelly. Yeah, I had my top three so personally Marvin can at least five to me is Marvin. Why would Marvin Gaye be above? I mean, it's an honest question

Starting point is 00:29:22 Why would Marvin Gaye be above R Kelly? He didn't touch no girls. Damn. Well, other than that. Take that part of it. Read the biography. What's going on? Never mind.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Yeah. Take it back. What's going on? That's why. And that's where it gets tricky, right? Because for some people Chocolate Factory was a genre field change. I think that What's Going On is a top five album period of all time. I need to talk about that.

Starting point is 00:29:48 I feel, ARK, TP2, TP2, they're really good albums. They're not really good albums. They're past really good albums. What's going on is like Joshua Tree, it's like the best Supreme albums ever made. Yeah. Man, all the little kids were singing I'll Be like a flock. Once you get out of here. Once you get out of here. Once you get out of here.

Starting point is 00:30:07 It is. I think R. Kelly has a top five, six discography and R&B. I'm in agreement. I think he got one. Excluding no one. Yeah. I'm in agreement. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:21 I can't, I would never put, I would never put him, the top three is still for me, Stevie, well, I'm speaking. Okay, number eight, Mariah Carey. I'm not putting Mariah above R. Kelly. I don't care what Billboard says. I don't care what Billboard says. I'm not.

Starting point is 00:30:36 I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. I love Christmas like anybody else, but I'm not. Yeah, but it mainly. And that didn't even R&B hit. Mainly, exactly, Mariah, there's a lot of pop in her discography. A lot. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:47 Like, what I think of Dream Lover, just as an example. What do we classify that? The best thing about Mariah is that she often remixed a lot of her poppy hits and made them put hip-hop on R&B. But then you talk about Vision of Love and all that other shit. And if you're going to put some of these other people that had cross-genre music, you can't exclude her. So when you don't exclude her and you put her in there.

Starting point is 00:31:10 If we're gonna put Michael Jackson in any of these lists, you have to put Mariah Carey. You gotta put Mariah Carey. But Mariah above R Kelly seems crazy to me. That seems crazy to me. I am. I'm not putting up with Mariah Carey either. I think they should be close. they should be definitely not about market

Starting point is 00:31:26 No, yeah continue for you Seven is Prince That's too high. I think that's too low. But I mean, that's my bias. That's your bias again Someone actually aren't be princess best shit. They aren't beating me. I guess that's why I'm I think Princess right? What would you consider it? Funk. Yeah, it's a lot of funk It's almost more new Wave than it is funk, although New Wave has elements of funk. Of funk, right?

Starting point is 00:31:49 So, but I wouldn't, it just wouldn't, I just wouldn't think R&B when I hear it. When I think of Prince's biggest hits, do you think there are, I mean, would you consider them R&B hits? Not all the way, but I also, the next name on the list, I don't necessarily, you would follow the funk too a little bit, James Brown. James Brown is number six. R&B? I don't know. You're not wrong, but I hate, I next name on the list, I don't necessarily, you would fall under the funk too a little bit, James Brown. James Brown is number six.

Starting point is 00:32:06 R&B? I don't know. You're not wrong, but I hate, I just love James Brown. I love James Brown too. I'm cheating for James Brown, the way you were just saying, like, for Prince. This just brings me back to the question, I would love to ask all of them at Billboard,

Starting point is 00:32:18 what is R&B? Yeah. I think if we got a definite answer from that, some of this would start to make more sense. Because I don't know it, you got James Brown higher than some of these other names. On the R&B list. They didn't write ahead of the list,

Starting point is 00:32:31 like just a little blurb as to what thought process went into creating this list. They did the criteria, but not what constituted R&B. We all have this conversation about what R&B actually means, the definition of it. It would be interesting, they should have done that. R&B is like middle class like we all have this conversation about, you know, what R&B actually means, you know, the definition of it. It would be interesting, they should have done that. R&B is like middle class.

Starting point is 00:32:49 It's one of those things where everybody has a different idea of what it means and everything goes in. Facts. And you're just throwing everything in there. Right. It would be hard though, because think about this, like if you had a Michael Jackson album that had 12 songs, three of those songs could be R&B.

Starting point is 00:33:01 For sure. Six of them are pop, right? Whatever other breakdown you have, but then the- Why is is pop not on B to go? That's what I'm saying. I don't understand. I think pop stands for popular music. I think pop is uh, over. I think anything can be pop hip hop. You get a pop R and B. You can have pop rock. You could have that's fair. But if the album sell goes diamond, you don't say yo, but those four songs was only R and B. You give him the accolades from that particular project. So you can't say, yo, but those four songs was only R&B. You give him the accolades

Starting point is 00:33:25 from that particular project, so you can't really divvy it up like that. I think when I say pop, I don't just mean in terms of the, because I agree, pop could be anything, right? Not like us as pop at this point, right? True, yeah, yeah. But I think when I think of a pop sound,

Starting point is 00:33:38 I think about stripping away certain musical elements from it that make it feel less, strip away some of the soul. Like Michael Jackson, like Off the Wall is an R&B or soul album. It's a disco album, damn near. And it's a disco album, right? For sure. Off the Wall is literally a disco song.

Starting point is 00:33:53 Yeah, a lot of disco is R&B to me. Yeah, it is. But by the time you get to like, bad, you know, for me that doesn't feel, I don't feel soul in that. I don't feel soul in those records in the same way. I feel soul, but it's. I'm overstating a little bit, but I guess my point is,

Starting point is 00:34:08 it feels less and less R&B with each album. You don't feel the soul in your butt is mine? There's so many ways I can respond to that. I feel like pop music is just like, it's an automatic blend of a whole bunch of things. You know what I mean? Like how bad has elements of rock to it, has elements of soul to it,

Starting point is 00:34:29 has just different elements of genres to it. So that's like, I mean, pop, when I think pop, I think Taylor Swift. You know what I mean? That's what I think is a pop artist. Because what else is she gonna be considered? She could be considered folk or something like that. Yeah, but not everything. So what's the top?

Starting point is 00:34:46 All right, we have the top five. Whitney Houston. Not bad. Beyonce. Not bad. Michael Jackson. I'm mad. Keep going.

Starting point is 00:34:57 Aretha Franklin. That's the one we fucked up. And number one is Stevie Wonder. Yeah. Yeah, we forgot Aretha. Who forgot Aretha? I mean, she was making our guesses. None of us mentioned her as being a top three choice. Yeah, there forgot Aretha. Who forgot Aretha? I mean she was, none of us like mentioned her as being a top three choice. Yeah, there's a reason.

Starting point is 00:35:09 Why? She don't belong. Aretha Franklin is not a top three choice. You're out of your mind. I know. That's crazy. Tell me why, please tell me why. Because of all the names that we just read.

Starting point is 00:35:19 That's why. You can honestly swap her and R. Kelly spot. No way. I'm just talking about you could put her at nine and put him away. And nobody be mad at her. If you put Aretha Franklin at nine, nobody bad tonight. Nobody would say nothing wrong.

Starting point is 00:35:32 Oh, I think, I mean, she's, I would. I would, I'm mad I didn't say it back the other day. I mean, Aretha Franklin, it's probably the greatest singer of the 20th century. And she usually gets voted as such. But if you look at her catalog. It's insane. It's insane. If you start I think was 67 or 68 with the with Columbia Records all of all those all those covers all That music she did which would fit in R&B if we count in the Edda James

Starting point is 00:35:54 She she bodied all the jazz stuff then you get in like 1970 1971 when she starts with Atlantic Records that run in Atlantic Records is One of the greatest runs we've ever seen I mean of just just top music. If that's your argument for Aretha, there's no way that she should be above James Brown. Oh, I think she's cooking James Brown. Oh, I thought you got it. Because she got more decades of it,

Starting point is 00:36:14 and her stuff is squarely in the genre more to me than James Brown's. And everybody you name. I took myself out of that genre-bending argument. OK, fair enough. Take the genre-bending argument off the table. The other thing for me is everybody we mentioned she's taken at work remade embodied it Which for me is also a sign of I mean you got oldest reading boo

Starting point is 00:36:30 She takes respect and makes it a song the oldest reading this unrecognized. So what so what the Whitney Houston do? She another one. She did it once That what she another one that can get out the top? She need to get you lower, right? I just think there's some picks where you lose a little bit of blackness even saying some of this shit out loud. Like, James Brown not being a top four act is, I don't understand that.

Starting point is 00:36:54 I'm with you. If he's there, it's like anybody putting Stevie anywhere outside of number one, I'm just not gonna understand. I can see Stevie thinking. Aretha's right under Stevie. To me, Aretha's right under Stevie. If Stevie would have been outside the top three, I'm just not gonna understand. I can see Stevie. Aretha's right under Stevie. To me, Aretha's right under Stevie. If Stevie would have been outside the top three,

Starting point is 00:37:07 then it's blasphemy. I wouldn't have argued if he was number two. I wouldn't have argued if he was number three. I think Aretha and James should be pretty close to each other, which they are in this. Yeah, I think they are. I'm not entirely mad at that. Although I wouldn't have maybe had her second.

Starting point is 00:37:20 Yeah. Ooh. Couldn't Aretha Franklin second. From 1960s to, she last hit was Rose of the Rose, right? That was the last big hit. Not talking about that River in the Deep shit. I mean, you talking about, you talking about six decades,

Starting point is 00:37:30 are you talking about five decades, six decades of R&B music, and all these number ones, all the, I mean, she is the template. But you see what get me about that? Like, you said, even when we had the conversation previously, you forgot Aretha.

Starting point is 00:37:41 Yeah. Like, them ones, that's one, two, three, four, five, you don't forget them. You don't forget them. They don't even slip your mind. Ain't nobody in this room say, think about that. You see what I'm saying? Like them ones that's them, ain't no forgetting.

Starting point is 00:37:55 I mean we said Aretha in the cover, I just got the ranker. No we didn't, we actually didn't name her. Nobody said Aretha. None of us said her. Then that's even worth it. No it doesn't. That speaks volumes that her impact wasn't to the point where it was undeniable that Aretha Franklin Nobody ever got it. None of us said her. Then that's even worse. Then that's even worse. No, it doesn't.

Starting point is 00:38:05 That speaks volumes that her impact wasn't to the point where it was undeniable that Aretha Franklin would be in some of my looks. You see how Stevie's name came up? It was like yo. Price's name came up. Stevie. Mike. James Brown.

Starting point is 00:38:15 We forgot Ray Charles too in various. Ray Charles didn't come to me. I don't know if we said James Brown. No, we didn't. We said Ray Charles and we said James Brown. Part of it is because I don't know, when you say R&B singer, the word Aretha doesn't come to my mind. I think- Why? Because I think of soul. It's a genre thing, when you say R&B singer, the word Aretha doesn't come to my mind. I think.

Starting point is 00:38:25 Why? Because I think of soul. It's a genre thing, but this is a much broader net. I didn't think of Michael Jackson for the same reason. But the room did. Somebody did. Everybody in this room's name tossed around Michael Jackson's name, tossed around James Brown's name,

Starting point is 00:38:39 Beyonce, Whitney Houston, people tossed around certain names. Aretha Franklin's name never came up This is more about us and Aretha is what I'm saying we fucked up I'm not disagreeing but it also speaks to her impact and what it means to us in our age group Yeah, but and I said this might be generational, but I don't think there's an argument against Aretha being at least top three I don't think there's a legitimate argument for Aretha not being top three. I can't see it. Not with R. Kelly being non for me I'm sorry. I don't think they in the same planet What? I think they only become on the same plane. We just have a songwriting and things like that

Starting point is 00:39:07 We got to my music and albums and yeah, I read that is way more albums way more music way more, you know Impact I mean she's so impactful that nobody give me your top. Yeah impactful read the records Impactful. Yeah, that's a that. Respect of course. Respect is number one. Impactful. Yeah. I wouldn't say think. I would say I never loved a man because when that came out that B-side I never loved a man and I think it was the other side. Yes, never loved a man I would put as impactful. That was one of the most impactful albums of the decade. You know when it came out as a single natural woman is another one. Yeah I mean we could man

Starting point is 00:39:51 In terms of impactful, then you get to the amazing grace album, right? The amazing great she stopped in the middle of a major soul R&B career and made a gospel I'm not the Al Green shit like when shit is on the wrong side You know people make out gospel albums when shit is going they get fucked up. She's Not the Al Green shit like when shit is on the wrong side. You know people make gospel albums when shit is going bad. When they get fucked up. She stopped and made, she made amazing. They called me doing this bullshit.

Starting point is 00:40:10 Right. Oh Jesus. Right, right. Aretha shut everything down and made Amazing Grace, which up until a few years ago was the biggest and greatest gospel album ever made. Also, the Curtis Mayfield, everybody we mentioned as a star, she done did something with them and trumped them. Also, the Curtis Mayfield, everybody we mentioned as a star, she done did something with them

Starting point is 00:40:26 and trumped them. I mean, the Curtis Mayfield album for, she made the album with Curtis Mayfield that he produced that had given him something he could feel on there was a major shift in soul in the late 70s. I mean, to me- The earliest output is four. You say what?

Starting point is 00:40:39 You convincing me. He got a little argument. You convincing me. He has an argument. She might have one of the best voices, pure voices. And I think she's the greatest singer of all time. That's another thing. And Impactful's song is giving him something he can feel. That would be another Impactful song. That's what I'm saying. So she got the records, the voice, the impact. Longevity. Yeah. I mean she had more number one hits than him.

Starting point is 00:40:58 Than he does. Yeah, of course. That's what I'm saying. Aretha is something else. Aretha's another planet. And I'm pretty sure that almost every single woman on this list would put Aretha where she's at. They'd all put Aretha ahead of them. Yes, every single one. Every single one. Whitney would say that, Beyonce would say that. Every single one. And not in that humble shit.

Starting point is 00:41:16 No, they would just be like, it's a fact. But she was impactful back in the days, man. It's generational, I guess. You guys are fucked. Yo, niggas, come around, carry. And Whitney Houston, out your fucking minds. If Whitneyiggas coming right, Karrie and Whitney Houston. Out y'all fucking minds. If Whitney Houston is breathing today,

Starting point is 00:41:28 she says I'm the best singer on this planet. She might not say it out of respect, but in her heart of hearts, Whitney Houston was feeling like, yo fam, I'm not reading y'all can't fuck with me. I think Aretha was something else. I think Aretha was something else. I just, I, Aretha was something else, man.

Starting point is 00:41:39 I ain't never seen nothing like it. I wouldn't even have thought it, my dad balls. I'm shutting up. I'm not even. No, and he's good in a good argument, but fam. No, he switched me a little bit. Not too. I'm embarrassed, I'm on Aretha Stan, and I'm embarrassed that I didn't.

Starting point is 00:41:54 Mark, you gotta study. No, I ain't been Aretha Stan. Yo, dawg. Remember, we had a conversation about this once ago, and I was telling you to read David Ritter's book on her. It's dope, and you appreciate her vocals even more. I key. Aretha's amazing.

Starting point is 00:42:04 Aretha's the shit. Aretha's amazing. Aretha's the shit. Aretha is- She's dope. She's dope. Fire. Clean it up nigga. I could have put Aretha at 16.

Starting point is 00:42:12 I would totally fuck you up. Nobody would have seen her like, that's right, that's fine. I could have put Aretha right on the oldest rating. Nobody would have baddened her. If you put her above under under 11, I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16.

Starting point is 00:42:20 I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put her at 16. I would have put a read that. I'm the oldest red. Nobody would have batted an eye. You put her above the oldest red. She could have been by Rachel or whatever. He was too high.

Starting point is 00:42:32 Man, kick on these old men. I'm chatting on. I'm chatting on. I'm saying things I would never say in front of my parents. Unless I was trying to get hit. I know Pops won't call you. Oh, he won possible call you oh You know a reader was never on my list of people to shit on in front of my dad

Starting point is 00:42:53 I try to just keep that like Roberta flag More anyway, I thought it's pretty brave of them to put R Kelly on the list as high as they put him period I'm the list period did they make a mention, period, or on the list, period. Did they make a mention of it, of his shit? Like, did it be like this? Oh yeah, right, read that. Just know they're apologetic about it, like, you know, we had to include him

Starting point is 00:43:12 despite his such and such. Well, they didn't do it with Chris Brown. I don't think you need to apologize for including R. Kelly in any music conversation. I agree, but you know, magazines are often scary. They didn't do it with Chris Brown. They didn't apologize, but they did mention it. He was sentenced to 30 years in prison for sex trafficking

Starting point is 00:43:28 and racketeering charges tied to decades of sexual abuse, which has tainted the singer's legacy. But from a purely musical perspective, there's no denying that Kelly is one of the best contemporary R&B artists to ever pick up a microphone. They had to explain they said, if it wasn't for Dolly Parton, I don't know about putting Whitney above R. Kelly. Oh shit.

Starting point is 00:43:47 I ain't gonna hold you. You're out, chill. There we go. Whitney, Whitney don't belong over no damn R. Kelly. Yeah, that's crazy. Oh, you wanna dance with some nigga? Move. Nah, that was live.

Starting point is 00:43:57 You buggered me. Stop it. Ain't no R&B. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Why you jump right to Chris Brown about- And is mad of him on that list.

Starting point is 00:44:04 That's a whole list of these niggas. That's not right that you do that, man. No, no, no, no. He a criminal. James Brown is right there. Wait, just hold on one second. That's fair. I wrote the report.

Starting point is 00:44:13 You got to get one more thing. Hold on. There's a bunch of people on that list. I am. I understand that, but there is an active campaign to keep Chris Brown off of any list. I agree any list. I agree the recognition of his talent. I I love breezy. That's not what I'm saying I'm saying that oftentimes publications Don't fucking do that don't don't do that because that's not what I'm doing

Starting point is 00:44:39 I'm trying to make a mention of the fact that people take every opportunity that they can to fucking, like, you know, make mention of. Yeah, they do. I think the difference is R. Kelly, because his kids, he's incarcerated. No, I'm agreeing with you. I think because of R. Kelly and his kids, they had to mention him.

Starting point is 00:44:55 It's not my dig. I just said that I'm surprised. You can't borrow a dig. It's not her shovel, nigga. All right, whatever. Whatever, keep going. I have nothing to say. I'm standing with Mel. R. Kelly, she's been number two, and that's it. We agree, whatever. Whatever, keep going. I have nothing to say. I'm standing with Mel.

Starting point is 00:45:06 R. Kelly, she's been number two and that's it. We agree and that's it. She's been number two. You got him at number two? Yes. Fuck, no. I'm crazy. Crazy, nigga.

Starting point is 00:45:15 Behind Steve, you want to? You're high, so. You got R. Kelly above Michael above, you know how it's fine. No, no, no, no, no. Matter of fact, I put him number three. I put Michael before. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:45 You put him above Prince? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no the head. What you say? If I could, uh. I believe I can fly. Yeah, nigga. When all us ain't gonna graduate. At graduation. Hey, patho. What the fuck is you talking about? Fuck you got talking about, yo. That shit go in line with poppin' circumstance.

Starting point is 00:45:53 That shit go a lot of walks. That's because you went to them broke ass, you went to them terrible ass Jersey high schools, man. That's wild. Nigga, that shit was every high school. What high school you went to? What's your fucking mouth? George Washington Carver High School of Engineering and Science. Oh, nigga.

Starting point is 00:46:05 They're doing the cult, so we don't go fuck about that. You went on to be a journalist. Fuckin' shit. Oh, shit. Here you go. Hey! What the fuck are you talking about? Hey!

Starting point is 00:46:21 Come here! Hey! Hey! Hey! What the fuck? No! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go!

Starting point is 00:46:28 Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go!

Starting point is 00:46:44 Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Happy people man. Happy people, yeah. What's up, man? What's up, man? Nah, no R. Kelly man. What's the fuck wrong with you, nigga? After the show, nigga. Old people don't, all them old parties, the 50 and 40, you turn to 60. 50, that ain't a old R. Kelly party.

Starting point is 00:46:57 Nothing to say, but I'm saying, all right, you know what I'm talking about, older people. They play R. Kelly and they getting up, they getting up, stepping in the next one. And a heartbeat. They do all that shit. Yeah. They don't care about stepping in the name of love. They do all that shit. Yeah. They don't care about that.

Starting point is 00:47:06 Fuck them. Ladies and gentlemen, this here is another one for the steppers. J. Wayne Williams. You know I might get up and step with you. Hey, sorry, sorry Whitney. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Let's go, get in your bed. Here we go. Hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, yo, you fake ass. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:47:46 Mark, don't go dance on the side. Where are you going to dance? Fuck you doing in the kitchen, yo. I know. Where do we go? Where do we go? Whoo. Ooh.

Starting point is 00:48:02 It's supposed to be the remix. I was about to say, yo, let's do it. You did my laugh. Oh You ain't got a dance on the side Maybe try to know was in this video You did other when you play Happy people Hey, I'm sorry Whitney rest in peace but Like the boogie man. You gotta stop talking people up. Oh man. Yo pops. Yo look at my dad. Nah don't rat.

Starting point is 00:48:50 Nah don't rat. You just missed. Your son appeared and said, we ranking the top R&B singers of all time. He basically said Aretha Franklin wasn't shit. He said stupid things like that. No no no no no. They got Aretha at number two behind Stevie at one.

Starting point is 00:49:08 All time. All time top 75 greatest R&B acts. We good with that. I just don't think Aretha should be that too. He says she should be lower on the list. I just don't think Aretha should be a two. That's it. He thinks she should be behind R. Kelly.

Starting point is 00:49:19 He thinks she should be. No, but she should be behind James Brown. Say the names I said. Don't try to get me in trouble with my dad. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, with my dad. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

Starting point is 00:49:29 what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

Starting point is 00:49:36 what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, whatendergrass. Oh, no, no. He's wildest. We have to just lie. That's not what he said. We have to just lie. Marmigay.

Starting point is 00:49:48 You starting something new here? I'm never going to say fuck Teddy Pendergrass or Oldest Red. But you have them very low. Did he say fuck Curtis Mayfield? No. He didn't say fuck Curtis Mayfield. He didn't even acknowledge him. He basically didn't acknowledge him, right.

Starting point is 00:49:59 All right, I'm not playing with you. I'm not playing with you. I'm not playing with you. Bob, nobody dis. I'm not playing with you. I'm not playing with you. I'm not playing with you. I'm not playing with you. I'm not playing with you. I'm not playing with you. Pop, nobody disrespected Curtis Mayfield. Who did you disrespect? They're alive.

Starting point is 00:50:10 Who are names you disrespected? I can't remember. Roberta Black. Oh, that's what it was. Roberta Black. Roberta Black. Roberta Black. Catch your bell.

Starting point is 00:50:16 He didn't. He didn't say nothing. I ain't say nothing, but she another one. She another one. Come on. Listen, I ain't got no respect for the people that my damn respect. You didn't beat him enough. That's what it is.

Starting point is 00:50:28 No, honestly. Go hit a hot note and make a pie. Look, he gonna be like, he's calling my mom. So that's why he used to tell me he changed, that he's getting better. That real change he wants his shit. All right, listen. It's good for y'all. Look what y'all did.

Starting point is 00:50:36 Look what y'all did. Thank you very much. He didn't, your son didn't say that. Listen, what else do we have on our topic board? Because we're gonna be talking about the Thank you for watching shit. All right, listen. All right. It's good for y'all. Look what y'all did. Look what y'all did. Thank you very much. He didn't use his son to say that.

Starting point is 00:50:47 Listen, what else do we have on our topic board? Congratulations to all. Make some noise for all acts that made the top 75. No matter where you are on that list, it is an accomplishment. So shout out to each and every one of y'all. And all of y'all, well, most of y'all probably forgot more about music

Starting point is 00:51:03 than we've ever learned, most of y'all. Some of y'all. What most of y'all probably forgot more about music than we've ever learned, most of y'all. Some of y'all. What else, what else, what else, what else, what else? We got some, we got some feedback from Tyler Perry. You know, on the Patreon again, y'all need to check out the Patreon. He against Joe? Against Joe, no, no, he didn't respond to Joe yet. Tyler gave him more...

Starting point is 00:51:22 Tyler, Tyler, fry you up, yo. How did I get in the time? Come on, come on. Tyler Perry, of course, has been accused, or sued even, for quid pro quo and some other sexual misconduct stuff by a former employee and activist from the Oval. Derek Dixon.

Starting point is 00:51:42 And on the show, y'all should listen to the Patreon to hear our full kind of breakdown of it. It was very insightful and mature. We then moved to this next phase where Tyler Perry responds. It wasn't the response that I had hoped for. What'd you hope for? Something more full-throated. Wow.

Starting point is 00:52:02 I mean, part of it. You talking about the one when he started doing all that, Jesus across the hill, God sees my trouble coming, all of that shit. Yes. Help is on the way. Exactly. They're saying that that is not a reply to this.

Starting point is 00:52:16 What would it be a reply to? That's something old, like during COVID or during the fires in LA. Oh, really? Yeah, that was not, I'm 99% sure that was not him replying to this. Okay. They took some old shit.

Starting point is 00:52:32 That's why they cut it the way they cut it. Okay, because I kept wondering, why does it keep cutting it? I spent like a half hour on the internet trying to find it. Yeah, no, that's not his reply. So then Tyler Perry has not responded. No, not at all. His attorney replied. His attorney, yeah, his attorney.

Starting point is 00:52:42 Now that we see. We have a reply from his attorney and we've seen a leak of text messages and we've seen the actual court documents that were filed that give also some direct quotes, allegedly from Tyler Perry to Mr. Dixon. What did the text messages? So glad you asked. Happened to have them right here. Right here on deck. Anybody want to read some of the two?

Starting point is 00:53:07 It's nice. It's fun. Go ahead and role play. OK. You want to read Tyler and I'll read Derek? No, no. It should be two dudes. I think it should be.

Starting point is 00:53:15 You be the other dude. I don't have them. You can read them. My phone died. I'll read them in a guy's voice. There you go. All right, great. Let's go, Mel.

Starting point is 00:53:24 All right, I'll be blue. You be gray. Well, yeah, blue is D go. Okay. All right, great. Let's go Mel. All right, I'll be blue you be great Well, yeah blue is Dixon. Yes. All right, get this shit off right and we just had a Heaping dose of it and now it's back to mine starts before that. Oh mine starts here Oh cuz that's a whole lot of nothing. It's not though. All right, okay Okay, on Tyler's side, it lays the premise of what our conversation is really about. OK, here we go. And it starts one way.

Starting point is 00:53:50 In my opinion, this conversation escalates. And you could kind of see that in the text. So I'll just read it. Throwing the worms out? I can call you later or tomorrow sometime. There you go. You have a really fresh voice and take on things. I don't know where this is going,

Starting point is 00:54:09 but I laughed the entire time. I could see the world and the characters. My exclusivity ends in 30 days. I wanna take loosing it out to Amazon or Netflix after that, engage their interest. But I also wanna try and get you with the right people to help you make these shows work they are not for my audience but we need to find a home for this stuff I don't want you to miss another

Starting point is 00:54:31 door I don't want to miss another I'm gonna assume it says Dawson Dawson's Creek Dawson no it's Shits Creek there's a show called shit screen yes okay shit's Creek you know that I'm old as hell. Dawson. Schitt's Creek is far too old. You know that Eugene bought that to me first, but I didn't get it. Oh, yes, definitely Schitt's Creek. Eugene Levy.

Starting point is 00:54:52 Amon gets here tomorrow, so he's got my full attention. I'll be trapped until the day after Christmas, so let's talk then. I just think that was important to note. That's super important. OK, he says, wow, wow, I was worried you'd even like it because it's a weird concept, so thank you. All right, now let's go.

Starting point is 00:55:13 Okay, sorry, sorry. Come on, let's go. All right, so the next one is, right, and we- Oh, I feel like I'm in Hamilton. Right, and we just had a heaping dose of it, and now it's back to nothing. It's really weird. You gotta start wrapping it, though. Word. I didn't have any contact. What are you talking about? I haven't been touched in months.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Oh you mean touching. I thought you meant being around people. Jacob. I love that you only say that when I'm being stupid lol. I guess the Jacob dumbass version of me. Not dumbass, but blonde. Mm. It's you next. Oh. You know what I cook. Sorry.

Starting point is 00:55:56 Damn, I fucked him too. You know what? I cook. Derrick? Spaghetti. Cake? You. I'm so drunk, I'm talking shit. What's it going to take for you to have guiltless sex?

Starting point is 00:56:17 Have y'all found that yet in therapy? That escalated quickly. Yes, it's the exact same kind of car, Geo Metro, whatever that is, who cares? It was his first car, Tyler Perry's car that he was sleeping in when he was homeless. That was my first car too. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:56:29 You and Tyler Perry have a lot of... Now we're left. Atlanta, Atlanta. You and Tyler Perry got a lot in common. Yeah, we both work with a lot of gay people. All right, giving up my religious guilt, becoming a Buddhist, that's so cool. Where you came from?

Starting point is 00:56:45 Unfortunately, Derrick, I have friends who are in their 50s and 60s who are still dealing with that, and it's so sad. You can have freedom from religious guilt and still believe in Christ. I'm assuming that's how it's. We should stop here. Yeah. They laying the groundwork.

Starting point is 00:57:03 Nigga, the first conversation sound like when you tell a shorty. Nah, the first one was flirty. Now we laying the groundwork. The first conversation sound like when you tell a shorty. Now the first one is flirting. Now we laying the groundwork saying, yo, you got religious guilt about whatever you got religious guilt about. About being homosexual. Yes, we can get past that. Times have changed. Nice Santa Monica is nice.

Starting point is 00:57:27 I'm glad you're going out there. How is your no? Is it stronger? You've got to have a strong no. Yes, it's strong. My mom literally thinks I'm going to sell my soul to the Illuminati. She heard Kanye say that.

Starting point is 00:57:44 It's real. Well, I don't think that, but I do think that you have to be able to say no and mean it and make it clear. I'll only say yes if it gets me an Oscar. Just joking, just joking, just joking. I hear you. Now at that point, I think that this little, is this dude white? Yeah. This little white nigga is trying to line me up. Yeah. Um. This white nigga is texting me to line me up

Starting point is 00:58:10 and Tyler Perry knew it too, so he responded and said, well, the only one who could have gotten that for you through sex is in prison. So just stick to the no, unless you are really into him. Freaky emoji. Freaky. He can't control of the morning, man. I was gonna ask what the freaky emoji was. The one with the tongue out and one eye winking.

Starting point is 00:58:33 Okay. The freaky emoji. It's a bunch of freaky emoji. I didn't know that was a freaky emoji. Oh, you just be sitting there. It's not like I'm sexually harassed by a carp in all this time. Like the purple devil smiling, that's freaky emoji.

Starting point is 00:58:42 I thought I was just like, okay, noted. I would hope that you would let someone hold you and make love to you. You are missing the best years of your life, my friend. Trust me. I hope you get past that block in your mind soon. Well, it's not this person, but yes, I want that too. I'm working on it. Therapy is helping.

Starting point is 00:59:02 Now, I'm gonna stop again. I think agendas are pretty clear at this point. Once we get to the part of the relationship where you coming to tell me how much you hate the current person that you're seeing, and I tell you shit like, get away from him and I'll bend that, break that back up nice. And I'm gonna keep it above. We are past employee, employer talk at that point. Yeah, it's.

Starting point is 00:59:32 You get what I'm saying? Like we want some personal talk and shit. It's past that at that point. And the dude basically is saying, I'm paying, I'll play for pay. I'll do those things only if it gets me an Oscar. You got a little. You got a price. JK, JK. Yeah, yeah. I know do those things only if it gets me an Oscar. You got a price.

Starting point is 00:59:45 You got a J.K. Yeah, yeah. It's mad truth in J.K. Yeah, like yo my nigga, you for sale. And you gon' do it. Well, Trevino, Tyler peeped the lineup and still kept going. But mad people would give it up for the Oscar.

Starting point is 00:59:59 Let them know, yo, I'm not doing it for no bread. I'll pop you, but I ain't paying. All right, so he continues to take this a little more personal. Tyler says, why did that photo make me jealous? You two together. Sorry. Are you intellectually?

Starting point is 01:00:18 Shut up, I lost my fucking place. I got it here. He's laying it out what I'm trying to do. You can't say at this point, you are oblivious to what I'm saying. Dude says, point you Don't know it's just Brad. Lol. Yeah Lol, okay, then I say He just wanted to go for a quick walk to get his steps in and now I'm walking to Chipotle myself. Lol thick Derek

Starting point is 01:00:39 Get that Chipotle Haha, can you tell? Get that Chipotle. Ha ha. Can you tell from that photo? It's good. Yo, stop. Thick Derrick is crazy. Chipotle making niggas thick is crazy.

Starting point is 01:00:51 Y'all niggas do be each other. You calling another man thick is crazy. You getting that double meat? That double meat. Y'all are very immature. Y'all are intellectually whatever the term was. Yo. It's not crazy if you into that-ish. Y'all are very immature. Y'all are intellectually whatever the term was. Yo, I'm definitely... It's not crazy if you into that.

Starting point is 01:01:08 No, I'm saying, homeboy saying he didn't get what was going on. That's bullshit, my nigga. Anything after this that transpired was consensual. You can't talk about, if I talk about Chipotle, you mean I get the hit? No, if you saying, you showing me a picture

Starting point is 01:01:25 with another dude made me jealous. Yeah, it sounds like he's sending photos to him. Bro, the agenda is clear, like be clear, like it ain't no hitting agenda going on, I'm trying to smash. I got mixed feelings, but keep going. And it sounds like from this, that Derrick sent him a photo of himself.

Starting point is 01:01:40 Like, this is an exchange, go on. Right, it's on you know no I said how ha ha how can you tell from that photo next one no I can't only from your jeans ha ha that's how I measure to if I'm not filling them out I'm not working hard enough right this is cut off a month let Let me use that. So dudes claim that he don't know that Tyler was trying to get at him? Yes. Well, yes, essentially.

Starting point is 01:02:11 It wasn't consensual. Yeah. Like Tyler basically was ambushing him and all this other shit. Yeah. Got it. So he's gonna probably argue some coerciveness here and probably like power dynamics and the whole nine.

Starting point is 01:02:26 That's the that's my hang up. That's my so you feel like it's poppin dynamics into play. Well, it is definitely power dynamics. Absolutely. If Tyler Perry isn't Tyler Perry, he's not talking to him. All right, cool. But let me ask you this. I'm not saying no, no, no, that could be true. What I'm saying is one, were they already working together? Because it seems like he was just giving them scripts

Starting point is 01:02:46 or throwing them ideas. I don't know if he was already working through it. No, he was doing it. No, they were already working for him. At that point in time. Yeah, he meets him in a crowd, picks him out. In a catering. He was doing catering.

Starting point is 01:02:55 And then brings him in, and from that moment forward. Were they already in talks to work together? He gave him a job within a couple weeks. He got hired right like that. He basically picked, it's like this. It's the old school shit. You see somebody you like, nigga, yo, I got something for you. I got something for you, yeah. Yeah, he gave him a job. He saw him at a couple weeks. He got hired right like that. He basically picked. It's the old school shit. You see somebody you like, nigga, yo, I got something for you.

Starting point is 01:03:06 I got something for you. Yeah, he gave him a job. He saw him at a catering. He was catering an event for him. Right, that's where you find the best actors. And the first job that he gave him, it wasn't the role that he played consistently on the Oval. It was a different production.

Starting point is 01:03:18 Right. But he got one more job after that. Yeah, exactly. All right. Okay, so. Now let's stop reading, because there's a million more texts. Okay, yeah no, let's stop reading because it's a million more days Okay, it's way too many the text but the important ones and next one Tyler is saying

Starting point is 01:03:31 I feel sorry for the person that you choose homeboy says why he says what I mean by that is You're so beautiful when you finally are able to unlock your mind. You're going to make that person crazy Just that that's that game, man. That old school shit. I mean. But see, the flip side to that is, where the power dynamic part come into play, do know he talking to Tyler Perry.

Starting point is 01:03:56 I know, I'm familiar with it. So it's like, damn, if I've dubbed this the wrong way. I may lose my job. No, I'm not just losing my job. Like this nigga could, I might never work again somewhere. Got it. So that's not saying that was intention, but that's why it's tricky when you up here you can't be talking about what you work with. So you don't feel like you leave yourself open for that. I feel like you can

Starting point is 01:04:15 stand on your principle and still keep your job, just be respectful about it. You could reject somebody respectfully. You can, but you can't. Go ahead. I could see somebody being afraid of doing that. And that's why you're not supposed to do it as a boss. That's all I'm saying. I don't think, I mean, when I read these exchanges, this sounds like some other shit is going on. I don't know if they have a relationship.

Starting point is 01:04:38 I don't know if they ever had sex. I don't know any of that. This is the part where I start hating you. But no, you don't know where I'm going. I think you're gonna agree with me. I don't know their dynamic, but this does not this feels like two friends talking and If I had to put my money on something my money would be on They had a friendship something went left and that's why this person is scoring salty now Yeah, yeah, and I'm about to make you pay

Starting point is 01:05:03 Yeah, but but but and this is the part where you're gonna hate me again, that doesn't mean that he wasn't uncomfortable at various points in the exchange. Who? The employee. Who? Yeah, like I think there's a part of him that had to have these exchanges because it's Tyler Perry.

Starting point is 01:05:17 That doesn't mean that. I have such a problem. I hate you with it. It's circumstantial. I have a problem with the power dynamic argument circumstantially. Overarching, I understand where it can be negative. But there's a conflict because people tend to like

Starting point is 01:05:36 the person with power dynamics. Yeah. People are attracted to the person that has power that's in charge. Not only that, people will be gay for play. are attracted to the person that has power that's in charge. Not only that, people will be gay for play. People will give up some ass to get a role. The casting couch is a thing.

Starting point is 01:05:54 There's a thing there. So it shouldn't be, yo, the person that was in power was foul because he was in power and he had that looming over your head. There's another side to that coin that is not always addressed. You get targeted because you in power. Like, you know what I didn't, yes, I agree with that. You know what I didn't hear from you? Do you think that Tyler Perry fucked this dude?

Starting point is 01:06:14 I'm 50-50 on it. I don't think so. I suspect no, but it wouldn't shock me either way. I think Tyler Perry popped. Just off of what I read. I suspect that Tyler Perry popped as well. And I can tell you the exact spot in these texts. No, no, no. Last week when he said he had his underwear on,

Starting point is 01:06:29 he was staying in Tyler Perry's guest house, he had his underwear on, he said Tyler Perry came in the room, pulled his underwear down, and started groping his ass. I have that text. But why? I have the text that kind of alludes to that. That's the one where he's. If I feel comfortable enough to pull your drawers down.

Starting point is 01:06:46 No, but here's my question, why would he lie about, to me if everything he's saying is his argument, that he was pushing doing everything, sex would only make his argument better, why would he deny having sex with him, with Tyler Perry? That's all I'm saying. He never said he didn't have sex with Tyler Perry. Oh, okay, okay.

Starting point is 01:07:02 He chopped up the messages, he said, yo, he pulled my pants down, he started groping me. He was saying it like it wasn't welcomed. Why wouldn't he leave with that? To me, the more shit you did with Tyler, stronger your case is. So to me, that's to me he would leave with that. He never denies and said he didn't have sex

Starting point is 01:07:18 with Tyler Perry. You didn't have to say consensually. His whole argument, the argument about power dynamics is that it's never fully consensual. So even if I say, hey, okay, I'll have sex with you tonight. The idea is you're still my boss. You know what I mean? I'm about to agree with Mark only and the fact that after you spoke and you know, he

Starting point is 01:07:37 hates that shit. Good. Yeah. But if you're Tyler Perry, you know that people are drawn to power, money, success, fame, whatever the case may be. It is now your responsibility to not allow these people to infiltrate your empire and be able to even get at you like this. Well, if there are laws that incentivize people to infiltrate an empire, then I think that

Starting point is 01:08:03 that should be acknowledged. Well, the flip side of what you're saying, because I agree with some of what you're saying, is I don't know what this dude was doing before Tyler Perry met him. Tyler Perry saw him, took an obvious liking to him, put him in position. I think most people that are powerful do that for the person that they like. True. Yeah. So I'm not about to hang do that for the person that they like true. Yeah So I'm not so I'm not about to hang him for getting the dude that he thought had a cute ass a job But and when you're a couple billion dollars Right now you're my friend and I love you and if you were single you are my friend you love me

Starting point is 01:08:41 No, listen You are my friend and you love me. No, listen. Listen to the words he said. Let me finish. Let me finish. He said, if you were single, right, if you were single and you found some bad chick and you bought her up here, I would encourage you not to hit it. You have too much to lose to be hitting this girl.

Starting point is 01:08:58 There's other bad chicks out here that you could deal with that you don't work with. Wait, what's wrong with this particular girl? Nothing. Nothing. But what could happen when it go not? She's fire. When she get mad later. She's fire. Her personality's amazing, she's beautiful,

Starting point is 01:09:09 she's all of these things. Me as Joe's friend is gonna say, yo dog, you bringing sand to the beach, you playing with fire, you don't, you don't, So that means you should be afraid of like any girl? No, no, no, no. Working here. Working.

Starting point is 01:09:22 You don't shit where you eat, so if the girl came up here she was beautiful on a mic And to answer your question the answer is yes I know they didn't want the answers you kind of right in his position Yes, you kind of do have to be afraid of every girl every girl Okay, cuz they potentially have an alter ego. Yeah, but it goes over the working is different. Yeah, you're right That's all I'm talking even outside of work. How was the fuck dude and just fuck him and give him money, that's his business. Let me read this text because it speaks

Starting point is 01:09:48 to the working environment shit. Tyler says, and for me again, I think I can tell the exact point in this text exchange when dude got popped. I just got a lot of experience in this. But Tyler says, listen to me, if you let the cast know that you and I is that sounded crazy Yeah, yeah, you know the point in that text message would do got pop because you got a lot of experience

Starting point is 01:10:12 You got a world that no not with that Tyler says listen to me if you let the cast know that you and I have a new friendship, then you are opening yourself up to a lot of questions and foolishness. You want them to know that you are there because of your talent and not because we have a friendship or because Tony got me to give you a job. You earned your spot, just like everyone else.

Starting point is 01:10:43 Don't give people an opportunity to play you small or they will. I can't teach you everything. Unfortunately, there are some things you'll have to learn for yourself because when we go back to work, I'm not going to know you. I don't have any friends that work for me, my friend. Professionalism is key. I hope you got it, my friend. Just watch the behavior of everyone around me on set. Period. And he's agreeing. I see you on the elevator on Monday. You not hugging me. You not key-keying with me. You

Starting point is 01:11:16 not doing none of that. I'm going to look at you like I don't know you. And he's agreeing. You're totally right. That makes total sense. Yeah, I will. Don't want to give anybody that opportunity because work is work. To me, that was was right after he popped. That's right. It could be. Look, look, look. You got that?

Starting point is 01:11:29 It's right after he popped. That's right after. That sounds like it. But again, this Sunday night, this is Sunday, Sunday night, I'ma see you tomorrow, you don't know me when you see me. I'm Mr. Perry when you see me. Yes, I'm Mr. Perry.

Starting point is 01:11:43 And that's why this is fucked up. I don't think this is a $260 million lawsuit. I'm not convinced it should be a lawsuit at all. I need to know more details, right? So I'm not saying, dude is right. Why shouldn't it be a lawsuit? Because I don't know what's true or not yet. And until, and-

Starting point is 01:11:59 But that's not the stance that y'all be taking when it's a female. It is not. No, it's not. It's never the stance that y'all take when it's a woman. When it's a woman, you don't say, yo, this shouldn't be a lawsuit. Y'all immediately be like,

Starting point is 01:12:10 yo, that nigga's a piece of shit, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh no, hold on. That's been our track record. That hasn't been my track record, but again, because I said the same thing with Jay Z. The muffin church is back, boy. You missed it last time. If you remember.

Starting point is 01:12:21 The muffin church is back. We ain't playing with Mark Knopfler. If you remember the Tony Busby conversation we had, again, when we had evidence, I said, this looks fuzzy to me, and that was a woman involved. To me, with Tony Busby and Jay-Z I'm talking about, right? To me, the question is always, what's the evidence? I didn't say this shouldn't be a lawsuit. I said, I don't know if it should be because I don't have enough information.

Starting point is 01:12:41 But I thought you also said that we should always believe victims. We should. We absolutely should. So then we should always believe victims. We should. We absolutely should. So then if you always believe victims initially, then you're not looking for the evidence. Listen to what I'm saying. First of all, two things. Let me answer two of those things.

Starting point is 01:12:53 First, believing victims doesn't mean that every victim's always telling the truth. It means we shouldn't start from a position of dismissiveness. We shouldn't start from a position of saying that they're lying. That's what I've always said. I've never said believe all victims.

Starting point is 01:13:03 Got it. OK. All accusers. When you don't get sleep, we got you. Y'all really don't. But the second thing here is I'm not saying we shouldn't, listen to me, I'm not saying we shouldn't believe him. I'm saying even if everything he's saying is true, the question to me is, does that mean that he deserves $260 million? I'm not saying he's lying. I'm saying everybody up here believes what he's saying. Everybody believes him The question was we believe him or not. The question is I don't I don't know no no no no no

Starting point is 01:13:29 No, I do not believe how he's laying this out. That's the point. I do not believe that All right I think that Tyler Perry saw dude thought he was hot had some flirty texts got him a job Popped distanced himself and now Tyler Perry, just like straight dudes, gotta deal with the girl that's spiteful and hurt because you went about this differently than I expected. You're always about to cancel the show to Oval, you are unemployed, and now I, what?

Starting point is 01:13:56 But again, just for fact sake too, also, he resigned, he quit the year, the season before. But, you put your points, no, you guys wanted to make that hypothetical, not this case. My point is, even if what you describe is true, but I just wanted to make that hypothetical, not this case. My point is, even if what you describe is true, there are people who will say- That you can't do that.

Starting point is 01:14:09 That you can't do that. And what I, and that's- I know, I'm on the other side of that, but I can't because society and kindness and all that shit. So I'm saying this isn't a question of believing victims or not. This is a question of, to me this is a- Is the number too high is what you're saying?

Starting point is 01:14:21 To me this is a more interesting conversation than is he telling the truth or not. That's the easy thing to fight over. And I'm going to go back to what we said about Kevin Liles and Shorty. We are in no position to put a number on somebody else's trauma. No, no, no. But I'm saying, forget the number part. I'm not even arguing that part.

Starting point is 01:14:39 What I'm saying is... You said the number's too high. I said, I did. But that's not what I'm talking about right at this moment. I'm talking about something different. I'm saying the more interesting question to me is if this is all true, is this something that people should be paid for? Right? Given it. No, no. Do you hear what I'm asking? If, cause you're saying no,

Starting point is 01:14:54 you're saying it's not, you're saying that if, if it went the way you laid it down and they were cool, that he had sex with him and he got mad and bitter later, does the fact that he's taller Perry's the boss mean just because he's the boss? That means you can pay. Yeah, today society. I know what the law says, I'm asking a should question.

Starting point is 01:15:09 Oh, a moral question. I'm asking a should, that's what I'm saying, the moral question versus the should question. A moral question versus a legal question. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Oh, no, hell no. There's a long list of people that shouldn't have got paid if we're doing it that way.

Starting point is 01:15:20 And that's where it gets, and that's where I get, that's why I say I'm a little conflicted because there is a way, it's like if Barack Obama or Donald Trump called one of us in this room, there's a certain kind of power and control they have just by virtue of who they are. In Hollywood, that's who Tyler Perry is. And so there is a pressure that I can't imagine having to- To have to watch every step you make and every interaction that you have with people.

Starting point is 01:15:42 That's the only thing that makes me- At that level, the onus is on you now to protect yourself and protect your brand. Right? Cool. We all, again, if we were all single men, if all of us were single men, there's a girl that we might meet.

Starting point is 01:15:57 And yo, yo, let's go to lunch. Y'all know me. Yo, I'm going to get that credit right. I'm going to put you on my man. I'ma put you on my man, that's the real deal. I'ma do all of those things, whatever the case may be. That's Tyler Perry's offering this man a job. I think you're attractive, you catering, you could be doing much, much more.

Starting point is 01:16:14 You should be in pictures. You should be doing much, much more. But in that instance, now he's made himself vulnerable and potentially liable if some shit does go left. You a billionaire, my nigga, go find some other cute nigga outside and name him Marcus. And sometimes the hunt is the interesting part to people.

Starting point is 01:16:32 To us, nigga. Oh yeah, make it. To them too. Yeah, but I'm just saying like, yo. It ain't too many humans you gonna get to have the. Opportunity to sue for $260 million. Discipline. Yeah, to have the opportunity to sue for $260 million? Discipline? Yeah, to have the discipline and maturity

Starting point is 01:16:49 to turn their back on just the option, the opportunity to make $200 million, $250 million. Like, who, you asking people to be a lot stronger than humans are is just my point. No, that's just $200 million. I'm not wired that way. It's hard for me to think. Niggas not turning down 200 grand

Starting point is 01:17:07 if an opportunity is hitting them right in their face. I mean, he was making 400 on the show. Okay. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying it's hard for me to imagine somebody puts me on at that level, gives me a chance to create an opportunity, and I'm not saying this is what happened,

Starting point is 01:17:20 but if it is, if it's what y'all describe, and this person has changed my life and given me a trajectory to then go and basically try to destroy their career. It's horrible. It's horrible. You got people fucked up. It is horrible.

Starting point is 01:17:31 You got people fucked up. It is hard for me to imagine. I believe, I see it happen, it's just hard for me to wrap my mind around. Well, at this point, you're seeing it happen weekly. I know, and it always fucks me up. I just can't wrap my mind around it. You wouldn't do that, you wouldn't do that.

Starting point is 01:17:42 None of us up here would do that. I want to. Yo, dog, I still. I've been saying for a few parts, like my mind around it. You wouldn't do that, you wouldn't do that. None of us up here would do that. I want to. Yo, dog, I still, I still. I've been saying for a few parts, like I wanna do it. I just wouldn't be able to sleep. I'm not doing that, bro.

Starting point is 01:17:51 Oh, no, you. I wouldn't be able to sleep. That shit is rough, man. Putting smut on somebody's jacket for some paper. If that's what happened. Again, we're not saying that that's what this man is doing. I'm saying that's what they're doing. You know you want to fuck Tyler Perry.

Starting point is 01:18:05 Come on. We got, on podcast you can't say things that just- Yo, the niggas got double entendres in the text. Talk about- There was a lot. Them texts are very troubling to me, I will say. You know they do want to fuck Tyler Perry. Yes.

Starting point is 01:18:20 I don't know. If he did want- What do you mean by what? You mean like it was attracted to him or it was willing to fuck Tyler Perry? Willing, was attracted, was eager, was. When Tyler picked him, he knew what it was. Face lit up when Tyler texted him.

Starting point is 01:18:32 The text seemed. Showing his homeboy excited about Tyler Perry. The text seemed like some willing shit, you know what I mean? It's hard to know what want means at that level. He started talking about his jeans. Want don't even matter. He started talking about his jeans and the size

Starting point is 01:18:42 and his jeans and all of that shit. Like, come on. Well, that's why I said last week at the initial, I jeans. All of that shit, like, come on. Well, that's why I said last week at the initial, I have to believe he went to Tyler before this went out. And offered a number. So that Tyler wouldn't be embarrassed by this. And so it's an interesting choice by Tyler to not settle this. Because not settling it means now the whole world could be led to believe something about your sexuality that you never talked about. Nigga, if a dude is bisexual and Elton John start just texting you one day,

Starting point is 01:19:08 nigga, you excited, you hype. You hype about that. So Tyler Perry had a response. He did not, it turns out. He did not have a response. The thing that was being promoted as a response was not run. His lawyer did respond to him.

Starting point is 01:19:20 His lawyer responded. Said basically it was a shakedown. But it's pretty clear. This looks like a shakedown. It does. It feels a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response.

Starting point is 01:19:29 It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response.

Starting point is 01:19:35 It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response.

Starting point is 01:19:42 It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. It's a good response. to straight dudes, what if that's Tyler Perry's thing as well? What if his thing is... You know if you say somebody's name, you don't have to say person. What? You said the T.S. Madison. I don't care about none of that, I used to do that. T.S. Madison said that

Starting point is 01:19:57 she's attracted to straight dudes, right? So what I'm saying is that what if that's Tyler Perry's bag? There's a difference. T.S. Madison is trans. Tyler Perry, the assumption from these texts is that he's at minimum bisexual at most. Am I talking about Tyler Perry not being, you talking about the guy? Flip is saying that their intent is the same. Thank you very much.

Starting point is 01:20:18 We've heard stories where- Gay men try to turn straight men? That's what I'm talking about. Got it. Okay. Understood. That's what he's saying. Okay, okay, got it. Why would that be different to you, if it's that versus?

Starting point is 01:20:29 It's no different, I'm just saying, what if that, because we're saying that, I'm kind of agreeing with the whole power dynamics now that I read it, right? When you say that your boss is texting you, you don't know what to say, you don't know how to say it, you don't know if you should not respond, you don't want to lose a position.

Starting point is 01:20:43 So I'm on the edge of that, and I'm just saying that, what if Tyler Perry Bagg is just, he don't have to be gay,. You don't know if you should not respond. You don't want to lose a position. So I'm on the edge of that. And I'm just saying that what if Tyler Perry bag is just, he don't have to be gay, but I'm gonna go at him and use my power dynamics to turn on. That was just playing in my mind. And to me, gay, straight, whatever the person is, it's all the same. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:20:57 That's a crazy. But I mean, like if his fear- If you got a billion dollars, then you can change somebody's mind. I can tell you, shit, you can do it with $2,500. I keep telling you. Right, nah. You can change somebody's mind. I keep telling you, I should. You can do it with $2,500. I keep telling you. You're right. Nah.

Starting point is 01:21:07 That's my person. You're one of these hard shots. Nah, you're not lying. Go ahead. But we can't say that. That a billionaire is the bad guy. Nah. Because you see me and switch up.

Starting point is 01:21:15 Get off your dean. Yeah, nigga. A powerful polarizing nigga just walked in here. Hell yeah. I smell like a different creed that you can't purchase. I look like some creed 13. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. I don't get it.

Starting point is 01:21:27 Look, I'm layering. I don't get it. I'm layering. The layers is hitting different. The skin glow different. I got Ferrari shades on. Niggas won't even know I'm not layering. Arabian oil, nigga.

Starting point is 01:21:37 This is a fool. Straight from the prince, yeah, nigga. My thing is, I'm not rocking with that. I was gonna say this. If part of what he's alluding to by airing, with this lawsuit is that he feared retribution. These text messages take place in 2021, which is basically around the time

Starting point is 01:22:00 where he would have gotten the position of the role of Jacob in The Oval. The Oval. It's four years later. So where is actually, where actually is the fear of retribution if he tells you, yo, we gotta kinda like back up in front of people, keep it professional on set.

Starting point is 01:22:22 You maintained having the job. You maintained having the high salary. That's where the questions kind of come up. He saw another hot ass that he gave a job to. Old boy got jealous, like when Nick was walking with Brett to Chipotle. No, I understand that, but the point is, is that that's part of the accusation,

Starting point is 01:22:42 is I'm fearing being blackballed. I'm fearing that- If he doesn't continue to play ball. Yeah, I'm fearing being blackballed. I'm fearing that- If he doesn't continue to play ball. Yeah, I'm fearing complete and total career annihilation. Gotcha. Yeah, but it's like- Yeah, so now you quit, right?

Starting point is 01:22:55 So whenever he quit, what was it, 22, 23, when he quit? I think so, yeah. Cool. 24. When he quit? He quit in June 2024. All right, cool, so you just quit, and now you can't get no more work.

Starting point is 01:23:04 Right. And that 400,,000 you flying through it Life be life and my nigga bills don't stop they come every 30 days. So now I need I need a couple Let's represent him fairly at least right? I just want to add what he said what he said is that he's dealing with severe anxiety That he's having severe mental health issues Surrounded to what he had to go through during the time of time we can agree or That's what happens when a billionaire breaks up with you and takes his hand over you Your stomach start hurting

Starting point is 01:23:35 Probably was hurting. You get a headache. Bro, you just make it four. No, I'll just tell you make a $400,000 a year We don't know if this man is living check to check You know I'm saying? Like shit like that starts to really come into play. And so now you may be, not guaranteed, but he might be looking at dire straits financially. Guess what? Does he say why he quit?

Starting point is 01:23:56 Give me five million. No, I couldn't find that anywhere. He may have said it, but I could not find it anywhere. It seems to be because of what he was having to deal with on the job. He talked about, again, on the job feeling anxiety and stressing the case. That's the case.

Starting point is 01:24:07 Seeing mental health. So I'm just saying, it's possible this is all bullshit. It's also possible that at the very least, he feels like he was harmed and deserves something. And he does mention therapy more than once in these text messages. So if he's got some kind of, I don't know, where he releases, gives his therapist a release for his HIPAA records.

Starting point is 01:24:27 For client privilege. And there's something in there that alludes to him talking about this more than once. I feel like, you know. Line them up. Yeah. Line them up. Listen, thoughts and prayers.

Starting point is 01:24:40 Tears and peace. Thoughts and prayers to homeboy, True. All victims of S. Thoughts and prayers to homeboy. True. All victims of SA, SH, and we'll wait till more information is revealed. That's all we can really do. That's all we can do. That nigga was going to work wearing the tight Mark jeans, showing his body off in front of Tyler.

Starting point is 01:24:59 Wow. He can't wear the Mark jeans. He can't wear the Mark jeans. That nigga was going to work with them. Send that nigga a picture. Yeah. In front of Chipotle. Wow. You can't wear the Markets. You can't wear the Markets either. Yo, send that nigga a picture. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:08 With the motherfucking print. In front of Chipotle. With the print. You know you can't send Tyler the Chipotle pic with the bulge. He hit the nigga with the gray sweatpants. All right, all right, all right, all right. All right, enough.

Starting point is 01:25:18 Y'all know what time it is, right? The tight one, the Russell sweats. Yo, no pockets. No pockets. Freaking man, y'all niggas too quick. It's trying to save y'all right now. You know what time it is? With the reason playing, nigga.

Starting point is 01:25:33 Drop down against the floor. That nigga was pulling up the words. The reason! Stop! What? Alright, it's time for our favorite part of the show, Prize Picks! Alright Prize Picks is the best place to turn your sports knowledge into real cash. With millions of members, Prize Picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all.

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Starting point is 01:27:34 a clip note to the Tyler Perry story. Just for the Tyler Perry thing, this is not the first time that there's been a conversation about sexual misconduct. There was another actor. Christian Keys. Christian Keys, you know, who made- But he never said his name. I was gonna say who made statements that people.

Starting point is 01:27:46 What was he in? He was in Top Gun or something, right? No. Was he in Harry Potter? No, he actually is one of the writers of. He was in Bottom Rifle. Hey Tyler, no, I'm a bigger boy. Bottom Rifle is crazy.

Starting point is 01:27:58 That's how you get him. That's how you get him. What'd you say, Mel? He's actually one of the creators of the TV show that's on BET, All the Queens Men, that's starring Eva Marcel, which I think is- You mean Tyler Perry's BET? But I think it's also produced by Tyler Perry.

Starting point is 01:28:15 So Tyler Perry keep looking out for niggas. But I just want to be clear, he didn't say Tyler Perry's name. He did not, yeah. But it's been- But the streets know. But I just want to make that clear. But the streets be knowing. Yeah, I don't want the streets to be suing me.

Starting point is 01:28:27 Tyler, clean it up! Get your act together, buddy! What's the name of the show? All the Queens Men. Oh. That's what they said the scary part about the Tyler text was that it read like one of his screenplays. Shit, quick, he'd be making scripts, it might, it might be.

Starting point is 01:28:50 Sure enough. Sure enough. What? All right, then let's get out of here. All right. We have, uh, let's get to music. Let's get to music. We do have, uh, a divorce versus. We have a divorce versus. I think it's fly. When your wife, when you and your wife do get a divorce and y'all both drop a record on the same day,

Starting point is 01:29:17 I do think that that's fly. Maybe it's the hardest in me. It's fly. So which record would you guys like to hear first? Cardi B Or offset offset. Let's do offset. No go on Sorry, all right record is called out side BX Let's gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I've been loved on 30 thugs, I'm convinced When it's time you see your mama tell her how she raised a bitch You're out on the pop out side Cause it's hot out, you a pain gang

Starting point is 01:30:10 Hey you on time, my heart's out, I don't find this You're so fine niggas, I'm a cuss cuss too long That mean for my niggas Let's go wrong for long, let's go lit for lit Come back and handle that, let's handle this Tell you how you do,, bet you will see it again You ain't gonna be here, you ain't gonna be here He throwin' some money in the pond

Starting point is 01:30:32 Might let him thunk this pussy like he thunk of all I'm a big freak, come and get his leap Peek, back it up like beep, beep Till that thing go leap, leap, uh Chloe called you king, that's cute, don't get me wrong I like you too, so baby let me know you're wrong I love some gala, let me go! The star came home, welcome home star! It's all brand? Yeah, the star is on. Hey! Hey! Let's go freeze!

Starting point is 01:30:47 It's coming on tomorrow, missy! Let's go! When I told you these niggas ain't shit, please believe me, they gon' fuck on anything, these niggas ain't shit, please believe me, they gon' fuck on anything, these niggas ain't shit, please believe me, they gon' fuck on anything, these niggas ain't shit, please believe me, they gon' fuck on anything, these niggas ain't shit, please believe me, they gon' fuck on anything, these niggas ain't shit, please believe me, they gon' fuck on anything, these niggas ain't shit, please believe me, they gon' fuck on anything, these niggas

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Starting point is 01:31:15 Tell em that she raved the bitch I'm going Ayy, hey, hey, hey Whole room is turned to oh my god Yo, y'all gotta stop dancing so much. Hey! Alright, the thing about partying with niggas that's 50 years old, yo, sometimes when the bop come on, niggas just get all stoic and stupid in the face. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:31:40 Niggas that don't go out unless they got a speaking engagement somewhere. Niggas that don't go out unless it's their birthday or their girl is in Europe. Like y'all niggas don't really know unless Leroy, like y'all don't really know how to respond when the when the bop is out. Niggas don't go outside unless it's time to shut down McTrap, drive the Buffalo, see your dad. Like, well, what's up? I want time to shut down McTrap, drive to Buffalo, see your dad. What's up? Lame ass. I'll be outside, personally.

Starting point is 01:32:10 What's your lame-o? That is definitely, that's a bop. I liked it, it felt a little dated to me, but the sound a little bit, like I didn't, I thought it was going to be crazy. Maybe I need to hear the strip club or in the car or something. Her vocals sound a little low. Oh, we had mixed games. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 01:32:26 Okay. Like, I can't hear what she was saying, but it wasn't like, you know, she hit you with the punch line shit when she said the beep, beep, leap, leap, back out of, I liked that song. I thought the mix was funny. I thought it was great.

Starting point is 01:32:38 I don't love the song, but I liked it. I didn't love it. Yeah. What didn't you love about it? It just didn't do it, like, Pop liked it. Yeah. Pop said, you love about it? It just didn't do it like I pop like They get a couple dollars out of pop this ain't a good hiatus return record for me that's for me That's what it is for me. You're going that long you come back. I expected it to be some little I wanted to eat Yeah, I was not a better than it ain't up. It's about dissing him

Starting point is 01:33:00 It ain't about I'm making this ain't my album cut my first single. It ain't about, I'm making, this ain't my album cut, my first single, it's about, I'm shitting on this thing. I could be, but I'm shitting on this thing. It'll work for the crowd that she's trying to cater to. That is true. It'll work for us, she come from that, so she know how to make it work in the clubs, and where it needs to work for. And I respect that.

Starting point is 01:33:18 I don't think this is her first single either. So, I'm grading on the curve. Yeah, but with her, normally it's not, she's not teasing shit that's dropping like that, unless it's something behind it. Well, the story behind this, the rumor anyway behind this, I don't know how true it is, was she played the snippet, all the fans went crazy on some TikTok shit with the bad audio,

Starting point is 01:33:43 so she dropped this record first on some warmup shit. And she's teasing a single, she performed this record and she was teasing a single, like a real single that her and Spotify only know about. What, was she just in Ken? Oh, that's different. Yeah. I think she was in Ken.

Starting point is 01:33:59 And that's where she performed it. She performed this in Ken. Cause this is the first single I'm underwhelmed. If this is a song she's putting out, it's fine. Yeah. Is that how you pronounce Ken? Yes. in can this is the first single I'm underwhelmed but now it's fine yeah is that how you pronounce can yes I've just had an argument with Mandy the other day I say Khan she said is canned is all about this she sent me mad shit of people in France saying can so all right no what's the rubber weight I think it's

Starting point is 01:34:21 can it's French that's what I saw mm's can. It's French, that's what I said. So the S is silent? Mm-hmm. Yeah, the S is definitely silent. It's just whether it's con or can. I think it's can. What's the little matter there? Yeah, I think it's can though. We don't know.

Starting point is 01:34:31 Anyway, I just wanted to know. I was saying con sounds sophisticated. I keep hearing con. When I went, I said, nigga, I just can't believe it. I keep hearing insane cons. And when I hear you say that, I just said that. Yeah, I'm great on the curve because this is not the big, I've been going eight years single.

Starting point is 01:34:45 And. Hold up, wait. Y'all talking about friends. Yeah. My slow ass thought they over here joking because you asked Mel, it was a nickname for Canada. You know some can. So I'm like, what the fuck are y'all talking about?

Starting point is 01:34:58 What was the term again? Intellectual Jersey public schools. It's an S on the end of can. Yo. All right, good. That's not Jersey schools. Well, you know how to spell it? Yes.

Starting point is 01:35:10 C-A-N-N-E-S. OK. Don't just be disrespecting my man. No, only because he said can was short for can. No, because you said Mel. She's not French. So that's why we was like Mel. She ain't Canadian.

Starting point is 01:35:20 But this be Cree. No, we ain't. Actually, French is our second language. That's why I was saying it. It's a melting pot. It's not, it's a cultural mosaic. Empathie. I forget after 13 years, I mean you would know some of it. You know enough to know Canvass kind,

Starting point is 01:35:34 that's what I was saying. I don't know any French so. Any who's. Anyway. Anyway. The song. Listen, I don't think it's the first single. I don't necessarily love it, but it's cool.

Starting point is 01:35:47 I don't think this is harder than enough. That's what I'm saying. The records that she's dropped. Again, because she hasn't dropped an album, so it's just been single, single, single, and all of those, this is the worst out of every last one of them records that she's dropped. And lyrically, I just said, I don't love this, like I lyrically love Cardi, because she's in her flow bag with,

Starting point is 01:36:08 I guess, the balance of this beat. I don't, all that. I'm so small and tiny, he's so big and tall. I let him dunk his pussy like he dunked the ball. It's like, girl, girl. Like I can't, but I know that's how these bitches is out here sounding when they fucking. Look at your man.

Starting point is 01:36:24 Look at your man. You're fucking, she can get a couple dollars off me on this. Well, I mean, if it come on, I'll throw some money. But I have a high expectation of Cardi. Same. And I don't know if I want my leak record dropping the same day that my ex-husband is dropping an absolute flame.

Starting point is 01:36:41 I was going to say, especially when that shit is a banger. Down. Play that one. Well, you asked for it? Yes, sir. That's why you played it second. Here you go. All Marry All.

Starting point is 01:36:52 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep running. Yep. Sorry, buddy. Yo. Hear the vocals? Sorry, buddy. Stefan Diggs can't do this.

Starting point is 01:37:02 This is nothing else. Before I got money, I wasn't trying to kick a dozen. I'm just being honest. If you want something, then we cook niggas something. Stefan Diggs can't do this I'm with that, who really get it, be honest? Hey, first you be giving, be honest She red like a bird, I got racks in the bag And these bitches be hooked like pionics I up in my rank cause I got niggas, bang niggas Shh, y'all for the summer I think these niggas forgot where I came from Cause I got matches and matches with late frights I pull up Porsche, I think I'm J-Bot

Starting point is 01:37:38 Bitch I got trunches, this shit look like Krayer I turn into smokers, no biker, no biker Niggas be biting, they biting like Tyser Niggas got sticks, got gloves, we ain't fighting They start up a riot and they shoot at the club No No y'all quiet I know y'all busy but uh, no, no, no, it's fine Come on You got He told me go up, I told him I got him Go second to run back to home and I'll wrap it Throw the bullet in my face Walking in bitches that's how I got it I pick up a bitch, pick up a bitch, pick up a bitch

Starting point is 01:38:30 I pick up a bitch, pick up a bitch, pick up a bitch I feel like a pit, but alright No more quick remarks Little bitty bullet that go in the dark Unlimited pull when attacking the target I'm tagging the toe, I done tagged somebody I'm breathing fire, burning drag to somebody If he ain't the homie, he promised to homie just hand me the hammer and get right beside me

Starting point is 01:38:46 I hop in the ride decide I say hand me the cop look behind me the time and the shitty fuck why niggas shooting at Ricky no running back before he clappin' to 50 he cracking to 40 I'm back in the city I'm made of the poor only war is with me and he used the little Migos float to begin with ladies and gentlemen yeah no that's a distinguished panel 1-0 react that's out of this fucking world That's that's the one right there. I won't be the hardest offset record ever Maybe solo record. That's your crazy. Yeah, you might be

Starting point is 01:39:14 something I agree with I Mean, I ain't we got that the whole it just came out. I know I know It could be I don't I remember being this excited about solo records solo solo joint officer got joint he do I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm mad at the take I think it's just fast it is like next week I'll baby say it I'm going to hit it somewhere yeah even though my girl changed the flight the flight. She must have known that new set was like this motherfucker is good. Anyway, I'm gonna hear this somewhere outside with my lady. Yeah. There you go. There you go. Shouts to Setbanger. And J, that record is a smoker. That's fire. And Vinyls. That beat is fire. Vinyls did that beat? Yeah. Oh my God, Jesus.

Starting point is 01:40:07 God. You wouldn't have known what to do with that. Yeah, not at all. Not with that. Yeah, not with that. Not with 10 years worth of rust on me. I mean, I'm not active. I don't ever want to disrespect any of the active people.

Starting point is 01:40:18 You can't just get out of bed and do this. Don't nobody want to hear, she hurt my feelings. I'm damn bad. I'm so sad. Fuck, I'm mad. Oh shit. Look at her. She's just jumping around.

Starting point is 01:40:28 Get that nigga in there. I want to hear that. I want to hear that today. They go with those with money to that. Oh shit. Nah, we good. Fuck, that's fucked up. Yo. I think he's sexy, ooh he look good as fuck Ain't that your home girlfriend, time to hook me up

Starting point is 01:40:45 Shit ain't shit, having fun, let's have fun together Baby I'm with the shit, you know I'm but whatever I know I'm cute and funny, I know somebody want me I might go sell a bitch, I know I make some money Outside niggas love a outside bitch But be sick when the girls get some outside honey And this is kind of this record Yes, it's not kind of it's what the girls just said like yo fam

Starting point is 01:41:10 I don't think that's her single off her project. I think yo, I'm shooting at your dumbass I know you had a song coming out so much, but what and it didn't work I like this body's like both of them. I like I didn't love it. You liked it before you heard offsets I thought it was just alright before I said that there are offsets. It makes me like it less Who in here could properly? articulate to the our female listeners that a Woman being outside and a guy being outside is not the same now No, that's not for me to fucking have that conversation. That's for y'all to say it.

Starting point is 01:41:45 Double standards. Is there anyone here, well first of all, do y'all agree or disagree with that? Or is that like a Joe Budden hot tip? No, I agree with that. No, niggas agree. It's a stigma that comes with it. That they don't understand.

Starting point is 01:41:58 They won't. And they will never get it. No, they understand it. We understand it. You just said you didn't wanna talk. We don't care. You guys get labeled while we get But they care thank you you got what you said you don't care you got a lot more care listen I don't fucking you guys get laid. I think it's actually generational actually we get praise while you guys are like

Starting point is 01:42:23 Like I said, like I said earlier. Facts. Hold up, let's gender war properly, just for two seconds. Mel, do you have a take on this? I was more so asking the guys, but if you have a take, I'll shut up. No, because what Flip said is, Thank you, Mel.

Starting point is 01:42:35 No, he said it very succinctly. These niggas there. They didn't hear, they didn't hear. Where women will be, the double standard is in play here, where women will be penalized for that, men are praised for it He loves sorry. That's what Joseph Joe said yo society women view the two things differently. Mm-hmm. If a dude is outside running through baddies

Starting point is 01:42:55 He's considered that nigga. We all understand that in this room. Yes, it's understood Yes, it's understood. It's understood. We're on the same page. I agree. You have to shut up. Up where? When? They felt like...

Starting point is 01:43:08 We wasn't distant city girls. But they was up when two years ago. Yes, niggas was. Two years ago, niggas. Okay. They not up no more. I don't think niggas was really distant city girls either. Okay.

Starting point is 01:43:16 No, they were. Well, I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:43:24 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't more. I don't think niggas was really dissin city girls either okay Well, thanks gas yeah Appreciate that it's a pimp for you. Look at us all agree. It's a pimp colloquialism Nigga said yo if one key open a whole bunch of doors, it's a master key. If a lock get opened by a whole bunch of keys, it's a shitty lock. Oh shit. Oh shit.

Starting point is 01:43:54 What did you get that on? I'm going to make some noise. I'm going to make some noise. He spitting, man. He spitting, man. A-B. What did you get that from, Ish? What up, old head pips?

Starting point is 01:44:04 And if the room agrees with the double standard, why bitches won't sit down, y'all? Is there anybody that can answer that? Because they gotta act like they don't care. Can anybody here to articulate that bar order? Freedom of expression. Their body, their mind, they can do what they want. Yeah, I think people wanna resist it.

Starting point is 01:44:18 They don't have to sit down. Wanna resist the double standard. I mean, it shouldn't be a, we all agree there is one, but like, there shouldn't be one, so. There shouldn't be one, right, Mel? Why there shouldn't be one? Why shouldn't there be? And what other ones shouldn't exist?

Starting point is 01:44:30 If we gonna get rid of that one, let's get the other ones out of there until we get rid of them. I think there's one that needs to exist. You know, I think, I have two thoughts on it. The first thought is the double standard shouldn't exist. People should be able to have liberation and freedom and all of that shit.

Starting point is 01:44:43 My problem is sometimes I meet women, or I encounter women, both in music or in real life, who start to make choices that I don't think they even appreciate or like, and convince themselves that they're being free. Convince themselves, you know, because sometimes when you're oppressed, the only vision of freedom is to be like,

Starting point is 01:45:01 you're oppressed, so it's like, oh, I'm gonna do what these niggas is doing. They not happy doing that shit? That's what I find. Hey, the part that they don't understand, a lot of niggas ain't happy doing that shit. So why won't they sit down, Mark? Actually, the truth is somewhere in the,

Starting point is 01:45:15 it's like that thing you ran earlier. That shit, what you ran at the beginning of the show when the woman was talking about all this shit with feelings and all. It's like a lot of that shit is true, but it's just the other extreme. We went too far in one direction, so now we gotta pull it back a little bit.

Starting point is 01:45:28 I think women should be outside more. I think they should be able to make choices and not be hemmed up, but we also don't wanna think that just fucking your way through the summer is gonna make you happy any more than it does for dudes. They're trying to just keep up with the niggas, you see? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:45:39 And we ain't happy sometimes doing our shit. Yeah, we not. We not happy just going to Cynthia and then Martha's house an hour later and then Becky. Who knows you're fucking? I'm married. Nurse no nigga. I'm married.

Starting point is 01:45:51 Abigail. Right. Phyllis. Phyllis. Martha. Look, look, look, look, look, look at the assless. The assless crew. I'm married.

Starting point is 01:46:01 Watch out for my brother. I'm married too nigga. Watch out my brother. You should be in the assless crew too. I am, I am. But the way you said it, nigga. You got under handcuffs. And you, nigga, you can't move a burp without permission, nigga. Watch y'all fuck about

Starting point is 01:46:12 when y'all talk on me. You're in the same boat. Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm not playing with your wife. I'm playing with you. I'm playing with you. I'm playing with you. Let her free, nigga. She's free. Let her fucking free. Go in the house sometime. I'm on, I was just in the house.

Starting point is 01:46:27 And I know exactly where she at. Go in the house sometime. How you done got here, nigga? Yeah, yeah. Where Mark's at? He said, you gotta ask him, I don't know. I don't remember, man. This thing's moved so fast.

Starting point is 01:46:36 He said, don't say it again. I can't remember. He said, she can go anywhere she want, and I know where she is. And that, man. And that. That one where I'm with you let me check right now hold on please stop don't do that

Starting point is 01:46:52 she's at the refrigerator wait they got no it's all good you know what I mean stop playing with niggas you started this shit she always start this shit you started this shit I don't wanna smoke, man. Stop fucking playing with niggas. You started this shit. That's another double. You always start this shit. But wait, but that's another- Who me, Freese?

Starting point is 01:47:07 Yes. You. You started this shit. You be picking and choosing, nigga. Shut the fuck up. I don't pick and choose. Stop picking and choosing. Nothing.

Starting point is 01:47:15 Now fuck that nigga and fuck you now, Freese. I'm picking and choosing because you can't keep up with that nigga. Fuck that nigga. I don't pick and choose. We own him. That's another double standard, though. How come it's okay for women to track us and not for us to track them? Because it's stalking when we do it, nigga.

Starting point is 01:47:23 When we track them, it's a charge, restraining order, now they telling they an anti, they a whole family. Get out the bushes. Yeah, but they get to track us, I just don't get, Mel, what do you think? I don't track nobody. Well, the last time I tracked. Do you track your dudes?

Starting point is 01:47:38 No, I don't see what I track. I don't just mean like flyers on social media, I mean like when you're, no that wasn't a joke. Yo, this nigga is different. Yo. See, y'all make everything a fucking joke, man. You're getting too covered over her niggas. I'm playing with her.

Starting point is 01:47:51 Yo, man. Y'all, y'all don't take shit serious. You talked to this nigga early and he ain't listen, see? That's being too friendly and smiley with this nigga. I see that. Yeah, pull back. Anyway, when you're in a relationship, do you do the location and all that?

Starting point is 01:48:02 No, I fucking don't. She don't, nigga. That's what I'm saying, not all women track men. That's what I'm saying. She don't. No, no, no, if you with in a relationship, do you do the location and all? No, I fucking don't. She don't. That's what I'm saying. Not all women track men. That's what I'm saying. She don't. No, no, no. If you with somebody, you trust her. I just say, I don't get tracked when I don't track.

Starting point is 01:48:10 There was a point in time in which I did, but I was wildly fucking immature. Exactly. She grew up. You grew up. I don't do that shit. Exactly. I don't have the energy to do that shit. You're going to do whatever the fuck you want to do, and hopefully you don't want to do dumb shit.

Starting point is 01:48:22 Yeah. Yeah. But June, Well I track mine and she track me. I'm going to fuck with y'all things. I mean if it's a mutually agreed upon decision, if it is a mutually agreed upon decision to keep track of each other's whereabouts

Starting point is 01:48:36 and have the whole find your phone and whatever, find my mate, whatever, then hey. Find my mate. Good on you, you know what I'm saying? Look, he heard you that ain't fucking me Phone ring I know your phone a ring fresh off the Puerto Rico Just figured out why my dad just mysteriously popped up at the bar again. It was a Buendía.

Starting point is 01:49:06 Buendía! It's the form Buendía. Some things just don't change I tell you. Poquitos! For Juneteenth, I did go over to Life After, shout out to all the beautiful people at Life After. Leroyce was doing a poetry jam over there. Fire. So me and my lady, who love poetry.

Starting point is 01:49:33 Kind of store of the arts. Went to go check it out. Joe walked in with Sade and saw how packed it was and made a beeline out the door, went around the corner to come in the back entrance and go straight to the bar to avoid all of what you assumed would happen, which probably would've. Everybody would've been like, oh my God, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:49:52 Yeah. Yeah, no, I get it. He did the right thing. Yeah. Yeah, but he did not anticipate it being as packed as it was. That place was wall to wall. Oh, I had to maybe rent some tables.

Starting point is 01:50:06 Damn. That place was jam, jam packed with 95% women. So I will ask my co-host, was I the only one that didn't anticipate it looking that way or did you expect that? I knew it was gonna look that way. Well, the first thing you said to me when you came over to me didn't indicate that you knew that? I knew it was gonna look that way. Well the first thing you said to me when you came over to me didn't indicate that you knew that or that you

Starting point is 01:50:29 felt good about it. Stop making shit up motherfucker. Let the bodies hit the floor. Stop making shit up. You're lying, you're lying. Don't do that to Mel. What did you say? What did you say? Mel. What? I'm lying. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.

Starting point is 01:50:51 Whatever. Say whatever. Say whatever. You are so dramatic. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah.

Starting point is 01:50:59 Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah. Hey, hey, rah ra! Ayy, ayy, ra! Ayy, ayy, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute! That shit hard.

Starting point is 01:51:14 Anyway, I was at the bar with my baby trying to hide. And Mel, they came over to say hello in a patent leather skirt looking like a snack. Looking snacky like a little Pop Tart. And she said, so many bitches here. He's such a liar. She said, I don't even sound like Mel, dog. All these bitches. And I said, yeah.

Starting point is 01:51:42 You and I. I'm sorry. You and I. I said, yeah. You and I. And they are here with you. Don't matter if they there ain't no. Well, that's true. They were very, they were so excited for his visit, they had to have two meet and greets.

Starting point is 01:51:58 One before the performance and one after the performance. Wow. Now you stayed at the one that was after. I got there when the show started. Now I'm talking about the meet and greet. The post. I was there till past closing. Mm.

Starting point is 01:52:16 Stop playing with Mel, yo. Let's go, Mel. Stop fucking playing with her. Crave your bra, boy. You know that I'm with it, I'm having this chick and this chick and I'm just being I don't wanna get done. Girl, do you know what time it is? Take your ass home. Yeah, it's hurtin' You're like a punk, I got red shoes. I'm having this chicken is just me

Starting point is 01:52:31 Listen now now we're not centering male In a room with people that have done meet and greets had children from meet and greets fuck Fuck the meet and greet girls, right? The greeters. This room is experienced in meet and greets now. So what you're saying was you hung out for a little bit. It's cool, man. So did you disclude me from understanding what a motherfucking meet and greet is? You don't think that I've had a hundred thousand of them

Starting point is 01:52:58 with lines out the fucking door? I understand who you're sitting next to, motherfucker. Yeah, nigga, watch your fucking eyes, man. Play me. Don't play her, nigga understand who you're sitting next to, motherfucker. Yeah, nigga, watch your fucking mouth, man. Play me. Don't play her, nigga. No selling short, bro. Big man! That's on the double this.

Starting point is 01:53:10 That's right. Miss Meet and Greet herself, nigga. Watch your fucking mouth, nigga. She'll have a Meet and Greet to all of us combined. Right, literally. In addition to that, I know the owner of their love. Where did you have a Meet and Greet? Where didn't I have a Meet and Greet?

Starting point is 01:53:22 Mm. Literally, where didn't I have a meet and greet? Every fucking city in America, nigga, from Alaska to Nebraska. Watch your fucking mouth, nigga. Fuck, you talking about your territories, too. Oh my God. No, what I'm saying is, I know you had Alaska to Nebraska.

Starting point is 01:53:39 That's in my brain from that point. I know you had them lined up. And that's not what I'm saying. I know you had them lined up to meet you. That's not what I'm saying. I know you had them lined up to meet you. That's not what I'm saying. A meet and greet speaks to something different. Like are you just talking about having them lined up to meet you?

Starting point is 01:53:51 Or I'm seriously asking, did you really do meet and greets? Yes, because I've had merch before. I've sold calendars. I've had like my whole line of merch. I've been on the covers of fucking magazines. Like... Oh my God. Stop fucking playing. She did Stop fucking playing, yo.

Starting point is 01:54:05 She did it in Atlanta fucking tour. You in Atlanta, buddy. She did it in Atlanta press run. What was it, 229? I like you. You're on thin ice, buck off. You're on thin ice. I like you.

Starting point is 01:54:14 I'm standing with you. I'm standing with her. I like you. Yo, your talk did not work with this one, guy. It did not. I see that. We're going to have to talk to him again. I see that.

Starting point is 01:54:22 It did not. You was on the meet and greet line. Mm-mm-mm. Any moves. Oh, shit. Okay, I understand now I see that, it's not. You was on the meet and greet line. And he moves. Oh, oh shit. Okay, I understand now. Thank you. That's it.

Starting point is 01:54:29 You always think everything I say I'm trying to be funny. Sometimes I'm just trying to get educated. That was me. And Marcus done meet and greet. That was me, Freeze. That was me. Let's go, man, make it noise. You didn't meet and greet?

Starting point is 01:54:41 Nope. He done greet the meets. Nigga. You didn't do meet and the meats. Nigga. Did you do meat and grease? Nigga. Antoine. I got the apper-panels. Antoine.

Starting point is 01:54:51 Nope. And sold merch now? Nope. Are you lying Antoine? You ain't had no that stuff in Vest Fest? Nope. He said no, he didn't do a meat and grease. So them speaking engagements you be booking,

Starting point is 01:55:01 you don't do meat and grease. In and out nigga. The burger spot. Let me say this again for the people in the back. Say it in Spanish. No. No. No.

Starting point is 01:55:12 No. They said you did a meet and greet though. Oh. Ish. Oh, meet and greet. Say less. No. Say less.

Starting point is 01:55:22 Pergola. Casa. Nigga, you did a meet and greet? Oh, that's where he's getting me. No, it ain't. I want to hear him answer. Well, he said he never did one. Put your blitzkriegs on, nigga. I distinctly remember a line of people lined up to hear him answer. Well, he said he never did one. You put your blitzkriegs on, nigga. I distinctly remember a line of people lined up to meet him.

Starting point is 01:55:49 I can see that. At the spot where you go, there'll be people everywhere. I mean, I line. Why you get mad at us, dude? I'm not even remotely mad. I don't know what you're talking about. But why you won't... I answered the question.

Starting point is 01:56:00 Money Guy never did a meet and greet. But why you come up here and don't acknowledge your stardom? I never did a meet and greet was the question. You are a star. You are a star. Whatever you say. You a motherfucking star boy. Star boy.

Starting point is 01:56:11 You a star boy. You a star boy. I saw you on like 5th of Friday. You was on the court, man. People was lining up waiting to talk to you and shit. Niggas at the party. It was great, yeah. Damn, you that nigga is a bitchy.

Starting point is 01:56:25 Oh, is she? Everybody about to my fucking jokes today ain't Yo, hey nobody you know shut up man, all right well now you're not against doing me and greet so we're gonna do one when we go Love cool. We go to like a collective meet and greet everybody on low area It depends. I mean I didn't read everybody's writer here. So some people might want to be separate. Okay. I don't know, I think we all in together. I think it'd be dope to do it all in one room.

Starting point is 01:56:52 Flip Mail, y'all good with that? Mm-mm, nah. I'm not. I knew he was going to say it. I knew he was going to say it. How much, and then we're leaving this topic. Go ahead, my brain won't let me, my brain won't let me do it immediately without being a child. You're an idiot.

Starting point is 01:57:11 You're an idiot. Every week some of the audience is surprised I'm a child. Every week. Don't forget your question. Every week I'm confused by it too. And they just come right back. My question to y'all, how much should our group meet and greet cost? Can I ask? I don't like doing this. Can I answer a question with a question?

Starting point is 01:57:33 Sure. Go last. Alright cool. Mel? How much are the tickets first? I'm asking y'all how much the ticket. Oh, the ticket to the show. Yeah, cause that shapes how much the meet and greet. I mean, like say people pay 50 to get in. Let's call it 50. Okay, now I got a number.

Starting point is 01:57:52 Mel, it won't be 50. Yeah. No way. No way. No way. No way near 50. No way near 50. Let's say 100, let's be more realistic.

Starting point is 01:58:02 Let's say 100. Yeah, there you go, buck 19-ish, buck 25. 39, 149. Let's be more realistic. Let's say a hundred. Let's be more realistic. Let's say a hundred. Yeah, there you go. Buck 19-ish. Buck 25. 39. 149. You got the fees on there.

Starting point is 01:58:11 You got the ticket master fees. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Starting point is 01:58:19 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Mel? I wanna kinda keep it a little low just to increase the opportunity for volume. So like between 150 and 200. So 100 for the ticket and in between 50 and 100. No, no, and 150 to 200. Just for the meet and greet. Yeah. On top of the $100 ticket.

Starting point is 01:58:37 Yeah. Okay. You think that's low? How many meet and greets you said you did? Nigga, everywhere. Mel, what you got? Alaska Nigga, everywhere. Now, I'm wishing I had a name. Alaska. Nebraska.

Starting point is 01:58:47 Nebraska. Flip. All right, so we got 150 to 200 for Mel, keeping it low. There's a lot of us. Because we want to do volume in the state of this economy. There's a lot of us. Flip, how about Flip? Probably like 1,500.

Starting point is 01:59:00 Ish. What the fuck is wrong with you, Chris Brown? No, for everybody. Ish. $100. Huh? $100. That was I was a breeze was a buck mark

Starting point is 01:59:09 seventy five stack parks breezy. Yeah, they can rub them curls. We're pretty. We're pretty popular. They can rub your car over the for the what the meet and greet? Apparently it's some meat. If you're fucking with me. Yeah, you selling me for a thousand?

Starting point is 01:59:30 Yeah, you selling, you selling your shit for a thousand? That's not mine. Hey, if they copped a thousand dollar meet and greet, I'm sure I could get somebody from up here to fuck you. All right. Me too, me too, trust me. Nah, all good. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't to fuck you. Alright. Me too, me too, trust me. Nah, oh god. I don't point no elbows.

Starting point is 01:59:48 Wait, if that happens, is that power dynamics? Yes! And some other shit too. I'm sorry. Wait, wait. Y'all taking this power dynamics stuff too. You can't fuck the me and Greek girl. Look, it's power dynamics and sex trafficking

Starting point is 02:00:02 because we're going to cross state lines. Coercive. Well, I don't know. I don't know lines. Coercive control. Well, no, no, no. It's coercive control. It's coercive control. They live there. The person, you're traveling. It's just prostitution.

Starting point is 02:00:11 The person that you are getting to. Fuck, from here? Yeah. I don't know if it's even that. Alaska Nebraska. I'm still having to flip. When he pointed to Imani. I said, I don't do elbows.

Starting point is 02:00:24 I can get somebody to fucking sit. That nigga Imani be there now. He's ready. I got it ready. When he pointed to a money But I wasn't just talking about a money listen I didn't do it That is funny, yo. Listen, listen, I keep eyes, pause, I keep eyes on people on the road. So your behaviors and your tendencies and your patterns. Got you. Like, I watch Keeb every morning bag the oldest diner worker that puts the donuts out.

Starting point is 02:01:01 Oh shit. Yo, Joe, Joe, Joe. What? I'm not saying like a bag like that. I'm talking about be extra talkative to the lady at the diner. Or the gas station. Yeah, or like he find.

Starting point is 02:01:16 Fuckin' Alice. Keith makes friends. Where? Yes. Blanche, can I get some extra cream? Yes. Blanche. Now I do get that part of being on tour, you do need to have that ability to make a friend that might could slide your extra donut here

Starting point is 02:01:29 Yeah, now we need that guy. We need the guy that's gonna make friends with everybody All right, this is my last question that we can leave the tour meet and greet conversation Okay, who here will be the make a friend people? Yes, the meet and greet or the tour It should have money At the meet and greet or the tour. Come on dog. Come on dog. Isha and Imani. Yo what? Alright so Isha and Imani. Isha makes friends, you make friends with people.

Starting point is 02:01:49 You talk to people. I don't even talk to, no we not saying bad words like that. I don't talk to strangers like that big. What? Alright, these niggas going, these mics been live. It's about everything. You been outside, you been outside with me, I talk to strangers? I haven't been outside with you in a long time.

Starting point is 02:01:57 When you was outside with me, I talk to strangers? Yes. I'm not talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers. I'm talking to strangers., I talk to strangers? I haven't been outside with you in a long time.

Starting point is 02:02:07 When you was outside with me, I talk to strangers? Yes. I'm not saying a lie. Yeah, everything is for the content. It's guys' time. You do. I'm the nigga that everybody up here says, I don't talk to strangers.

Starting point is 02:02:17 OK, I've seen you speak to beautiful strangers. You know, they're here for a while. Yo, stop being a liar. You all from Gum? Oh that? For a while. You all from gum? That nigga be having a candy on deck. For strangers. What's that called? Philanthropy? It's like the truth.

Starting point is 02:02:40 He is a philanthra-ish. Philanthropish. It's okay. It's okay. Melanderish, philanthropish. It's okay, it's okay. Mel, do you think you'll make friends on tour? A thousand percent. No. Why? I say yes, I say yes.

Starting point is 02:02:53 Yeah, definitely. It wasn't even my meet and greet yesterday. Do you make pictures I took? That's not making friends. I mean, I stood and had multiple conversations. I don't just pose for the pictures. I stand and talk. You was supposed to be in the house when the meet and greet.

Starting point is 02:03:12 Is she missing a big one? You was supposed to take your little hot ass in the house. Don't rub it up. Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!

Starting point is 02:03:24 Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!

Starting point is 02:03:44 Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Look around. Straggler. And somebody just said, straggler. What? They got their shit already. Oh, you're still over there? Oh, you're still over there? Oh, you went down there. You want to come back? Oh, you're waving. Oh, you got the Greek.

Starting point is 02:04:03 It's always funny when you see the Greek person after the show. Like at the club or wherever you're at, you're like, no, my bad. Stop playing with her, yo. I was talking about my feet. We did that. Alright, what else we got? Y'all were talking about me? No, I wasn't. I wasn't.

Starting point is 02:04:25 There was an insinuation? No. Please stop playing with me. This is directed to the motherfucking room. Stop it. Let's go. Stop it right now. Stop fucking playing with her, nigga.

Starting point is 02:04:38 Yeah, Mark. Niggas is requested to stay there. No, no, you got to sometimes, hey, man, sometimes you got to remind them. It's double for you. Yeah. Double for fucking you. It's double for you. Yeah. Double for fucking you. But I was reminded already.

Starting point is 02:04:47 No you wasn't, nigga. I was requested to stay. Watch your fucking mouth. Look at Flip, shout out. You ever did a meet and greet on Queens Boulevard, wherever you be at? Nah. No, I did. Where you be at?

Starting point is 02:04:55 Farmer's Boulevard. Linden and Farmer's. Yeah. And why you say that, my, no I haven't done a you think could be the farmer? Linden and Farmers. Yeah. And why you say that, my, no, I haven't done a meet and greet, but I just think you should be mindful how you address me when you talk about that

Starting point is 02:05:12 and any type of jokes where I'm at right now. Why try to address me properly? Address me properly. Should I change the style in which we joke up here? Nah, I'm just talking about with me. Like, like- But if we can't joke with you a certain way and we can't joke with Mel a certain way. You can joke with me anyway. Then we gotta change the entire family for the show, I think. No, no, no, no, no, listen, listen. You can talking with me. But if we can't joke with you a certain way, and we can't joke with Mel a certain way,

Starting point is 02:05:25 then we gotta change the entire family. No, no, listen, listen. You can joke with me any way, but my response sometimes, it brings us into a space where we don't need to be, and I don't want to fuck up the show. I want to keep it going and keep it rolling. I'm just finding a mature way to respond. There's that.

Starting point is 02:05:39 That's for you. And for me, it's been proven that I can take a myriad of jokes, all the jokes. Every once in a while, I will remind y'all who the fuck I am. That's more as a fucking Ford right there. That is a Ford. I don't fuck with you. That's a legend.

Starting point is 02:05:56 You're included in that. Who? You. Me? Yeah. Is that nigga Ma? No. You ain't got nothing to do with me, bro.

Starting point is 02:06:04 Yo, bro By the bar, I know that's what you talking about. I didn't say that I wasn't there Ladies and gentlemen, let's get back to music Jim yeah talk about it Jim Jones went on fat Joe and Jada kisseses, oh look a topic in the topic. He went on Fat Joe and Jada Kisses podcast and had a lot to say about some dude on the internet that said Jim Jones is better than Nas and has more billboard hits than Nas. It was a little bit more than that. It was a young kid. I think he was, I believe he was like 23 or something.

Starting point is 02:06:49 22, 23. And he was saying that for his generation, his era, they don't look at Nas. And he was like, you know, our sense of fashion, all of that, basically to sum it up, he was saying Jim Jones was more impactful to them than Nas. And then like the kids do, they start quoting,

Starting point is 02:07:06 oh well look how many hits he got here versus how many hits he got here. So, and a lot of people took offense to that. I personally did not take offense just because of the kids age, of the generation. And that's kind of what Jim was speaking to, like yo, I grew up, Jim was himself, he was saying he grew up on Nas, 93.

Starting point is 02:07:27 This kid probably don't have an idea who Nas is, so he grew up on Jim. And I just think these conversations keep happening where it's pitting one generation against the next generation over not appreciating each other. Well, I guess you're not. That's, go ahead, let's hear it. I think it's one thing when you're having a conversation with a 23-year-old,

Starting point is 02:07:51 which, hey, nothing wrong with anything a 23-year-old say, they're fucking 23. I think it changes once you get in your peer group or around some elders, which is the conversation I was looking for from Fat Joe and Jadakiss. And they tried, they tried to course correct him, but he didn't want to hear that shit. When you get around people that know,

Starting point is 02:08:17 you should just be aware of how you sound when you say something like that. That's it for me. I think Jada tried to be as politically correct as possible. He did, he did. Jada tried to be as politically correct as possible. He did, he did. Jada tried to be politically correct because Jim is like, yo dog, it's like a sports conversation.

Starting point is 02:08:31 Like the numbers are the numbers. So if you're saying that this person is amazing as an MC, but my accolades say something different, I got way more chart top and shit. And Jada was like, yeah, that's one metric. But in New York city with rappers, we don't necessarily go by that. We going by the niggas that we know get busy. Wait, but Nas isn't just a New York city rapper. I'm talking about, but Jada is saying to New York city rappers,

Starting point is 02:09:01 when we start to evaluate and assess hip hop, we going by the niggas that get busy. Okay. Because that's where we come from. Niggas that get busy. Clue tapes, I don't give a fuck what your bop was. On a clue tape, you had to get busy or you wasn't going to make the clue tape. It's the same way Pusha T totally disregarded anything Travis Scott has to say because you ain't a rapper. That is exactly what he said. He said, yo, so rap.

Starting point is 02:09:27 Yes, Travis Scott is the bigger act. More hits, more numbers, more. But to the rappers, don't nobody give a fuck about what Travis Scott is talking about. So, I mean, it's the same thing. Again, they tried to course correct them. But I think Jim was trolling. So I don't have much to say about it because I don't believe that Jim Jones believes that he's a better rapper then Nas Pusha T and Stiles Pete and those are the three names that he has

Starting point is 02:09:54 said he's better than in the last year and I love Jim Jones, but I love I love to. I think all his albums is fire. I think he's a icon and in terms of the fashion show really all that yeah, but we got to stop the train at somewhere. No, this is a good place to stop that not just a great place to stop that train for anybody. Yeah, and I think Jim has not smoke that's yeah, it has for a long time for a long time. So he ain't about to sit and give Nasdaq his proper. Also from like a rapper standpoint,

Starting point is 02:10:25 I want to hear the rapper say they're better than anybody ever. That's different though. Like if you're a rapper, you sound the greatest. I ain't gotten mad at that. When you start naming specific people. I'm not mad at that. It feels weird to me. Also, he doesn't have more Billboard entries than Nas.

Starting point is 02:10:38 I didn't check it. He doesn't. I saw some people fact checking. He don't. He does not. And it's not particularly close. Yeah, it's not. He doesn't have a bigger listening base.

Starting point is 02:10:44 I wouldn't have thought it was close, but again, I didn't check it. It's not close. And even if you remove features, it's still not close. It's just not close. I mean, you look at Spotify, and these are all metrics I don't like, but Nas has 9 million followers. I think Jim has like 850, 850,000.

Starting point is 02:11:00 I mean, the traditional metric, you look at Grammys, you look at Street. I mean, I love Jim Jones I love every album Jim Jones ever made just like you just said, but I don't I don't think they're on the same planet I don't think that they should be debating that you see and that's why it's smart for Jim to insert himself in these conversations Yeah, that's what he that's kind of what he was hitting that he said latest his latest arm And he set it up here with us his His latest Instagram post, he was saying, yo, going viral is part of the gig today.

Starting point is 02:11:28 So basically, and he's like, I understand today's game. So yeah, I'm gonna get up here, I'm gonna say whatever, I'm gonna go viral and make business off of it. It's the same shit he told us. I gotta play that game now. But we also gotta, to me, we also gotta respect the culture and respect the history. I mean, I don't love that move.

Starting point is 02:11:48 If you were to say I'm gonna go, whatever, every rapper has a right to say that. But when it becomes again about an individual rapper to me who is on the Mount Rushmore, or at least in everybody's Mount Rushmore conversation, I just don't like it. It just doesn't sit well with me. You know what I mean? Again, 23-year-old is one thing, you don't know no better. But growing as mentioned mentioned be talking about Jim Jones and Nas in the same in the same conversation I'm not talking music

Starting point is 02:12:12 with a 23 year old this is my kid or my little cousin or like somebody that you got to have an end with me for me to sit music but I don't necessarily want to hear their thoughts you know I want to hear their thoughts on their shit. On their shit. Their shit, yeah. Unless you're ahead, like we were sitting here talking earlier about. The list.

Starting point is 02:12:33 The list, and we're talking about people from different eras, but we listen to enough music to be able to have a conversation about Marvin Gaye or Aretha Franklin or Michael Jackson or Roberta Flack. Still not the same. It's not the same. Personally, for me, I don't even ask, even if they're ahead, even if they student of the game,

Starting point is 02:12:46 whatever you want to call it, you wasn't there, it's not going to hit you the same. You're speaking from a, from like looking, just from the window looking in, you wasn't inside the house. I respect that. So I'll have the conversation if you've done your homework. Your perspective is a little skewed though.

Starting point is 02:13:00 For sure. Because there's certain things you just will never get. And they'll say the same thing to us. By listening to the music, yes. And it's the same thing to us. That's why it's just a, hey, respect. Whatever you feel, whatever you like over there, young and you got it. I'm over here with you.

Starting point is 02:13:11 I agree. And I hate when niggas find one isolated person on the internet and make that person's thought a broad conversation. I don't know how many 23 year olds say, would agree. I just don't, I didn't poll them. So, gotta be careful. If you're 23, Ballin came out, Ballin came out in what, 2006? 2006.

Starting point is 02:13:34 Yeah, so if you're 23, Ballin, wait, 2006 was, how many years ago? 19. 19 years ago, I mean you were four when Ballin came out. But it's still research. Yeah, but it's still research. No, no, I get it. I'm just saying, like, I don't,

Starting point is 02:13:46 this ain't even your era of, Jim Jones ain't really your era like that. To me. Agreed. That's all I'm saying. It ain't. Yeah. Well, Nas ain't J-R-Up for sure.

Starting point is 02:13:56 Jim Jones still could say that because Jim is still active out here more. Nas is? No, but I'm talking about more in like. No, you might see Jim with Cash Cobain. Yeah, it does. You might see Jim with some of the acts that resonate Nod is gonna be with the Nod is with slick Rick and G rap and the Mass Appeal Yeah, doing some coin base shit and all like he

Starting point is 02:14:20 Had a certain dollar man, I don't get I don't care who you think is better I'm sure Nod is probably not very At a certain dollar now, I don't care who you think is better Although his he is competitive dude, so I think he would probably be like he's got he still got rapper brain Yeah, but something you gotta laugh at. Yeah, if you're not you gotta laugh at yeah rapper Yeah, don't just pop out when anybody say today better. Right, like some of that shit get laughed away. Yeah. But the masses may, like I said, he knows how to, Jim knows how to play with the, with the Algorithm.

Starting point is 02:14:53 And the algorithm, and the people, and the streamers. So that may make more noise than anything else. Yeah, then just drop it to the music and go do it. I just like Jim turning up on the Jadakiss Fat Joe couch. And Jim consistently said, yo, my goal is a bag. Yeah. My goal is a bag. So I don't give a fuck if I got to get up here and say, yo,

Starting point is 02:15:15 Big wasn't the best rapper. If it's going to generate some money for me, I'll say it. That's his goal. He's playing that game. And that is a game that a lot of people are playing today. Most of them are younger But he understands yo just putting out a good album ain't gonna do it for me no more I gotta get y'all talking and he puts out a lot of good and he does

Starting point is 02:15:34 But so does us All right, since we got fat joe already in the conversation. There's some news that came out since our last show actually came out yesterday fat joe sued He is being sued for 20 million dollars by T.A. Dixon a former hype man who alleges that the rapper engaged in sex acts with minors and coerced him into quote more than 4,000 sexual acts to maintain his standing this is huge in terms of a story, because it's part of a string of stories. Again, we don't know the facts of the case yet. We don't know all the details.

Starting point is 02:16:11 We're not saying who's right or who's wrong here, but we are saying that this is heavy. In particular, the lawsuit says that Fat Joe, Joseph Antonio Cartagena, engaged in coercive labor exploitation, financial fraud, sexual manipulation, violent intimidation, and psychological coercion. This was filed in U.S. District Southern Court. This is basically another, it looks like a Fed thing, it's a 157 page document.

Starting point is 02:16:40 Just to add this last piece to it, again, his former hype man worked with him for 16 years. And according to the complaint, he had a quote, unrivaled vantage point to observe the rapper's off stage lifestyle and behavior. So we want to, we got to add that this is a counter suit. Yeah. Cause Fat Joe sued him first for defamation. For defamation.

Starting point is 02:17:03 Back in April. Gotcha. So he says I'm a fat Joe and then this becomes the counter suit. This is interesting. He says that Fat Joe forced him, quote, into humiliating situations, including sex acts performed under duress and surveillance, accompanied by threats of abandonment in foreign countries if he refused compliance.

Starting point is 02:17:20 And again, he says the number was up to 4,000. Then he adds, there's a Jane Doe involved in this. And he says he he says the number was up to four thousand and he adds There's a Jane Doe involved in this and he says he personally witnessed fat Joe engaged in sexual relations With children who were 15 and 16 years old and he lists three Jane Doe Jane Doe's including a 16 year old Dominican girl in New York Who quote in exchange for cash clothing and payment of her cell phone bill would perform oral sex and other sexual acts on the rap. I don't want to go through the whole thing. Y'all can find it for yourselves, but there's two other Jane Doe's,

Starting point is 02:17:50 and it's been everything from paying for BBLs to food to all these other things. And this is the allocation. And again, this is a Rico if I'm not mistaken, right? A civil Rico, yes. What is a civil Rico? What is that? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:18:01 You got a civil Rico. Well, I don't know what it is, so look it up, but my understanding is when you take the company cards and start bussin' shit down and using your legal businesses to pay for illegal shit. Yeah, but that would be a not civil Rico, right? Wouldn't that be a criminal Rico? So he's suing him for money,illy a civil sue somebody for money a civil

Starting point is 02:18:27 We got a definition. But it also says claims are like there's a statute of limitations on civil RICO for four years Please read us a definition a civil RICO refers to a private lawsuit Brought under the RICO Act to recover damages resulting from a pattern of racketeering activity to recover damages resulting from a pattern of racketeering activity. Essentially, it allows individuals or businesses harmed by organized criminal activity to sue those responsible for the harm, seeking financial compensation.

Starting point is 02:18:52 Yeah, so your organized criminal activity being blended with your illegal business activities is, yeah. You never heard? Civil Rico makes sense. I don't know. It makes complete sense. I don't know whether this is an example of one. It makes sense to me, but I feel like you would have to civil Rico makes sense. I don't know. It makes complete sense I don't know whether this is it makes sense to me But I feel like you would have to prove the Rico part first though

Starting point is 02:19:08 Well, you do but just not but beyond reasonable doubt just by preponderance of the evidence So in the same way body that worked for you helped you in any type of way do some illegal shit then I mean I think I learned that from puff case puff case. Yeah, but that's a Civil the standard of proof in a criminal versus civil Rico is different. In a criminal case, the government must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, while in a civil case, the plaintiff

Starting point is 02:19:33 only needs to prove their case by preponderance of the evidence. Yeah, what I just said. It's more likely than not that he's liable. Yeah. And so in this case, this includes unjust enrichment, quantum merit, fraudulent concealment, fraud, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and money laundering. In this lawsuit, Roc Nation is also named, and they claim that the company, which represents

Starting point is 02:19:54 Fat Joe, knowingly participated in, quote, concealing, transferring, and manipulating Dixon's authorship rights and royalty interests, and sought to intimidate, harass, and obstruct the hype man's legitimate claims against Fat Joe as well as to other people. This is why it becomes a civil Rico. They're saying that these acts actually cause him material harm and damage. That's the argument that's being made and that Fat Joe is running a criminal enterprise. The other defendants are Pistol Pete Torres and Richard Richplayer, Joe Spitre. Jose Spitre.

Starting point is 02:20:26 This, I mean, this feels like he had a beef over not getting some royalties for doing ad libs, which wouldn't necessarily be a guaranteed a royalty situation. And they're going back and forth about it. And he dropped the nuke. Yeah, that's what it feels like to me outside looking in. Because Fat Joe, excuse excuse me in the original suit Fat Joe was saying that he was trying to extort him after he refused to be demanded for ghostwriting work I mean, excuse me refused to be compensated for ghostwriting work. And so that's when he went on radio

Starting point is 02:21:00 No, okay, Dixon and said things about. Specifically, he said that he enjoys high-level political... He basically said he flies a 16-year-old girl across state lines for sex. Fat Joe sued for slander, and then we saw this as the response. And he told Variety, which is my source right now, he said, this is the right way to fight Joe through the system. You can't fight him no other way. Joe thinks he's God. Joe thinks he's untouchable. So again, I don't know who's right or wrong. I don't know the details, but this is bigger than I think people thought initially, because it's not just that he's saying Fat Joe did something. When you start getting to Civil Rico, the other thing that Civil Rico can do is, as we learned with Diddy and Cassie, it can spark a

Starting point is 02:21:41 criminal investigation. Yes. So this could go, this could get huge. I don't know if, I don't know if this was given what Homeboy thought it was given though. Like because you're basically admitting that you knew, if this is true, that you knew that there was sexual activity happening with underage people and you stood by idly

Starting point is 02:22:05 and did absolutely nothing. For 16 years. But I think it's messy. Did you say he was afraid? Yes. Yeah. He was afraid. I think that's what he's saying.

Starting point is 02:22:14 If that's the case, it'd be more complicit. What do you mean? I mean, you have a, he played a role to cover the abuse of where you didn't see any issue with it at the time time if that is the case Well, if you was afraid, that's what he's saying is that he was coerced into immunity for your testimony and They just use that as an angle the niggas don't be afraid them niggas be part willing participants allegedly I'm not saying him. I'm sued for that. Thank you very much allegedly because you can be sued for that. Thank you very much. Allegedly, people be willing to participate.

Starting point is 02:22:46 And it's not until things start to come down or things start to change where they want to use these angles, which is nothing wrong with it, I don't think in the moment Joe was aware or he made it aware that he was uncomfortable. Or I think that he was. If it happened, because you don't want to assume that he did have sex with underage girls,

Starting point is 02:23:03 I don't want to put that on the table either. I'm just talking about whatever, but even with the ghost writing, even whatever, at the moment I think a lot of niggas just be there for the ride. They're there for the ride until time pass and they start to realize some shit. They don't make it be known in the beginning. Are we in a different, is this just a different era now? I mean, is this going to be the norm from now on? It's the norm.

Starting point is 02:23:27 It's the norm. I mean, forever, I'm saying. It is the norm. No, it's the norm because the US is the most litigious place in the entire fucking world and it's the result of late stage capitalism. That's just the fact. I guess hip hop seemed insulated from some of that.

Starting point is 02:23:43 How? Because hip hop was based on not snitching. That's what I'm saying. Other street principles and now those are gone. I couldn't imagine 20 years ago somebody's hype man suing. I can see suing for royalty, suing for money, but this particular angle is interesting. And again, that's not the same thing is wrong with it. If Joe did what he's alleged to do, he should be held accountable.

Starting point is 02:24:02 I'm just having seen this level of litigiousness in hip hop ever, and I didn't know if this was just part of kind of the extension of me too. Ever since 6ix9ine did what he did and came back, and people was receptive of it, not like the fans, not the industry, and the niggas was hopping on records with him, it sort of put that snitching shit like this for the new era to me.

Starting point is 02:24:27 Look at Gunnar, he was accused of snitching, he came back, had a number one, was it album? Like nobody looks at it the way we look at it anymore. It's not looked at the same. I'm sure that the ratting shit plays a part. I think a lot of this is coming from financial literacy. Poverty, I think a lot of this is coming from financial literacy. Poverty. I think a lot of this shit is coming from poverty.

Starting point is 02:24:48 I think that people know now. No, I've been around you for 20 years. I was your man for 20 years. Let's just say I've seen you do some shit or I've done some shit for you and now we parted ways. And now I'm fucked up, I'm back living in the projects, or I'm back, no disrespect to anybody in the projects, but I might not be living under the most ideal circumstances

Starting point is 02:25:11 and I'm watching you still ascend financially. So I might feel like, yo, I did mad shit for you, I'm old. And the only way I can get that compensation is to sue. That's where there's no house to shit because a lot of niggas might've been feeling like that before but didn't know, oh shit, I could sue you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this is happening all across the board.

Starting point is 02:25:29 I'm gonna go get that same lawyer that won that case with such and such, I'm gonna go get them. And the internet changes how the victim in these instances may feel in the 90s versus today. In the 90s, you're trying to take down one of the most powerful people in the world, you're gonna have a pretty hard time. Today you can have an audience from day one of support and people believe in you and some action being taken. So I think there's a lot of things in the pot.

Starting point is 02:25:55 That's true. Agreed. And there's more, even before we get litigious, I feel like the internet doesn't help because people just see you all the time, see you looking good, see you in the nice car, see you with the jewelry, all that shit. It's a constant reminder of, damn, I used to be around this and now I'm not and now it's up. You know what I'm saying? Whereas before, it's out of sight, out of mind. Like, you pop up on a source cover or something. I don't even know that he existed, but now I'm watching you every single day With this chain and that chain and this watch and that watch

Starting point is 02:26:29 Jocelyn ringside and they show him and 50s watches when they were that you went. Yeah, they had Joe and he had The rainbow joiner the rainbow Rolex. That's your fort 475. Jesus. You know what I'm saying? Like so you like this thing our 475 thousand. I000. Oh no, give me some of that. Right. I beat this nigga up for you. I did this for you. I did that for you. No, I'm owed some money and people might feel like that. You know what? I kind of have like a statement slash question. I just learned something just recently about media liability insurance and I'm wondering if it would protect you in a circumstance like this. What is it? I'm not familiar with it.

Starting point is 02:27:06 So media liability insurance is basically something that like a media personality, an actor, a media personality, a journalist, one of us could take out and it protects us against, you know, litigious claims, civil suits, and that sort of thing. So it's just, I didn't even know the shit fucking existed. I was like, I gotta get that. Yeah. I mean, it's just something to consider and it was something that I didn't even know existed, but I just wonder now, which we don't have the answer to since nobody knew what that was, if this would have protected Fat Joe

Starting point is 02:27:36 in this particular situation. No, I don't think it would. I don't think it would either. No. No. Because this isn't a result of his broadcast career. Yeah, this is 20 years ago then moving around in different countries doing whatever they don't Them in the studio. He said he was responsible for some of the lyrics whatever the case may be

Starting point is 02:27:54 You know what I mean shit like that. I don't Have nothing to do. He said he Humped underage girls like that's not media liability. Mmm Every hype man and got threatened to be left out the country though before. Yeah, every hype man DJ, sound guy, fan member. Hey, we rolling out of here this time. I dare you to be late like you always are and we taking off and you'll be stuck over here in fucking Istanbul nigga.

Starting point is 02:28:22 Well, is that I don't think that that's necessarily a threat. That's more like, you know, be punctual. And be with, you know. That, according to what Mark just read, you can't tell nobody that you work with that you're about to leave in another country. Or you can't say, yo, do X, Y, and Z, or I'ma leave you. Right, yeah.

Starting point is 02:28:39 Like, hold his video camera, or have sex with this person, or else. That's different. Yeah, that's the different. And again, these are allegations we don't know is true. What happens, well, Fat Joe's attorney responded. Yeah, his attorney responded, said this is a money grab, said this is bullshit. Y'all can look for it, but he said all the things

Starting point is 02:28:58 that you would expect an attorney to say in response. I got it. The lawsuit filed by Tyrone Blackburn and Terrence Dixon is a blatant act of retaliation, a desperate attempt to deflect attention from the civil suit we filed first, which exposed their coordinated scheme to extort Mr. Cartagena through lies, threats, and manufactured allegations. We didn't just sue a disgruntled former employee trying to revive a false claim from 15 years ago.

Starting point is 02:29:21 We sued the lawyer behind it all. Tyrone Blackburn has a well-documented pattern of abusing the courts to harass defendants and generate media attention. Two separate federal judges have condemned his conduct, one for filing headline-chasing lawsuits full of salacious and baseless claims and another for making repeated legal misstatements and personal attacks in court filings. He is now the subject of a pending referral to the Southern District's disciplinary committee. And it goes on to say,

Starting point is 02:29:49 law enforcement is aware of the extortionate demand at the heart of the scheme. The allegations against Mr. Cartagena are complete fabrications, lies intended to damage his reputation and force a settlement through public pressure. Mr. Cartagena will not be intimidated. We have taken legal action to expose this fraudulent

Starting point is 02:30:06 campaign and hold everybody involved accountable. I think that's the way you fight it. Like what we're saying, is this gonna be the thing going forward? Is these lawyers that take these type of, Yeah, at least sort of kind of. How Hov went after Busby, like that has to happen to now deter other lawyers from just jumping on

Starting point is 02:30:24 and just throwing any lawsuit out there if it's not true. And the crazy part with that is, most people don't have enough money to do that. Like you talking about Jay-Z who could go put a billboard out like, nigga, I'm coming for you. I'm not the nigga that extort, but everybody don't have the influence,

Starting point is 02:30:42 the pool, the resources in which to do that. And they also, a lot of people don't want to, it's a waste of time and money to not just settle and keep it for a lot of people. What do we think happens to Fat Joe from here? Anything, does he continue to go about his day to day? Yeah, I think he goes by his day. Does he get low?

Starting point is 02:31:02 Nope. No, no, no, no, he shouldn't, no. Because that's an indication of like, guilt. And you can't get low name. Does he get low? No, no, no, no. He shouldn't know. Because that's an indication of guilt. And you can't get low. You definitely cannot get low. You got a new show out, you can't get low. You can get low. You can get low.

Starting point is 02:31:13 You could, but. It would give off some type, it would give off an image that there's some truth in here. That you're afraid of something. If you go get low. I think that's horrible. I think that's bad.

Starting point is 02:31:24 I think that's horrible. Yeah, me too Yeah, it's just certain practices. That's just real nasty that being one of them Like you should be able to get low when you're going through some things for my own mental and you're under the rest You're stressed and you fucked up You shouldn't have to continue to show up with your best Politician face and work because people think that you'll be guilty. It's some of this Face and work because people think that you'll be guilty. It's some of this Yeah, sure. I agree. The people the people is everything Yeah, and the people are the one that that moves the needle outside of that like if it's a baseless claim

Starting point is 02:31:53 As he is saying it is yeah, I'm not gonna stop what I'm doing I don't mean it's not affecting you in a traumatizing way where you might want to get low based to protect your own mental Health. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Like, nobody want to be faced with that shit every single place that they go. People pointing, people, you know what I'm saying? Like those are things that people have to deal with.

Starting point is 02:32:13 I can see getting low in terms of like being outside, like going to dinners and stuff like that. Although, you know, because there's so many lawsuits now and so many things happening, I'm not sure that this will carry the same stigma that it would have two years ago or five years ago Tell the person that no no no Person that this order a day or something my nigga people got parents and my children my nigga That's seeing this shit on TV. You can't say yo, you just one of a million. Nah dog

Starting point is 02:32:41 It hits you it affects you differently. You get what I'm saying? It affects your family now, that shit is in your living room now. Oh, I agree, you 100% right. I'm saying to give him some perspective, let's say it's not true, to give him some sort of solace is that, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:32:57 The world doesn't, I don't think the war to merely judge people guilty in the same way they did five, 10 years ago, you know what I mean? Nah, not just that. I do what I do, I got a world for you. Yo, dog, man, not just that. They're out of the world, Phil. Yo, don't, hey, not just that. What does the board think? What does the board think?

Starting point is 02:33:08 That's another important point. Before it gets to the world, you either got a board that's, you either work for somewhere that has a board that's going to do due diligence, stand by you, investigate, try to flush out facts, hire a private investigator, or- You got a contract. Huh? You got a contract. You got a contract. But they all have these clauses.

Starting point is 02:33:26 And that contract might have a clause that says, yo, anything that surfaces, we can immediately discontinue our. The contract has a million sentences that gives the company an out. If you are valuable enough, then. They don't need that. They don't take that one.

Starting point is 02:33:40 They don't need that. That way they go and talk to some people and see if we can fix this. Can we keep this guy or just try to be quiet for a little bit? So, but to your point about it being in your living room stuff, these ain't just claims like, yo, he robbed somebody.

Starting point is 02:33:55 He stole some money from you. You know what I'm saying? The claims in here can cause some uncomfortable conversation and they can get family. Right. He's married, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You are married. Oh, it's rough. You know what I mean? It's shit like that, bro. Like, you know I'm saying you're married. Oh, it's run. I mean it shit like that bro like it again to

Starting point is 02:34:07 Isis point this ain't yo he still he beat me for ten million dollars. I'll take that before some of the other shit that he is being accused. My wife is the one I can go home and tell yo somebody's trying some bullshit and shake down yada yada yada the company not so much yeah right. I would imagine that your family, you would have enough equity with your family of all people to be like, this is not true. Or you don't have enough equity with your family

Starting point is 02:34:33 so when your family reads it, they know it's true. Right. Or they know what's true and what's not. Like she might not have been 15, she might have been 25, but I know you fucking on the road. I'm not saying Joe, I'm just saying in general. Because that's one of the reasons this works, is because a lot of time the person,

Starting point is 02:34:46 the lawyer, the rapper, whoever it is, the celebrity doesn't want, even the shit that's not illegal, they don't want, my kids don't have to read this in a headline, so I'ma settle. Right, because a lot of times your defense is, she wasn't 16, or your defense was,

Starting point is 02:35:01 it wasn't 4,000, girl. You know what I mean? Whatever the defense is, might work in the court, but it don't work at home. She wasn't 16 sounds nuts too. Right. I get it. Yeah. Kobe's defense, yo, it was consensual.

Starting point is 02:35:12 Right. You still gotta face your wife, my nigga. Exactly, exactly. So there's another story that I wanted to get y'all take on. Obviously, for those that don't know, the Lakers were sold. Hey Gigi. Hey Gigi.

Starting point is 02:35:26 The Lakers were sold a few days ago. The Buss family, after having the Lakers for four and a half, since 1980, 81, whatever, sold it for $10 billion. It's the largest sale in the history of sports, anywhere in the world. Any $10 billion. That's a crazy number considering Jerry Buss bought this franchise for $67 million. It's a great come up. Obviously, Lakers have a storied legacy.

Starting point is 02:35:56 My question is, I think I know what y'all are going to say. You're going to say, fuck that. But Jerry Buss probably would not have sold to Lakers had he been alive. Probably not. In the great words of my man Ian Dunlap, sell grandma's house. And that's the question I was gonna ask y'all. Do y'all feel- That ain't grandma's house.

Starting point is 02:36:16 Yes it is. No it ain't. Well let me ask the question for the audience just to be clear. No it's not. Do you sell the franchise, even though you know your father who made his whole life this, would not have?

Starting point is 02:36:28 And does the amount change? He'll be turning over in his grave if he did, yeah. And to be clear, all of the Bus siblings apparently did have a meeting about this. There was not a unanimous decision to sell the team. No. There was a majority decision. So somebody in the room.

Starting point is 02:36:49 Didn't want to do it. Loves their father. Yeah. This is where it gets tough. That's why I'm asking. I'm not selling it. I wouldn't sell it. I'm not selling it.

Starting point is 02:36:57 They would have to buy me out. But I think what happens is, and we saw, I don't know how accurate it is, because we've heard, yes, it's super accurate, then we've heard it's not so accurate, but in the shit that we loved on HBO. Yeah. Showtime. Showtime, winning time.

Starting point is 02:37:13 Jerry Buss was a passionate guy. This was his baby. This was his passion. He staked everything in the world on this. I went to borrow money from my ex-wife and my man, Rakeem, and little kid. I borrowed money and this is what I love. That don't necessarily mean that that love is gonna translate to your children.

Starting point is 02:37:32 Right. Right, so you might have started this thing that has a legacy that could be 100 years down the road, but your kids might not care about it in the same manner in which you care about it, and they may not want to pay the same, because I heard it's, running a business is some other shit, right?

Starting point is 02:37:48 Your kids might not want to put that much time and attention into something that they don't care about as much as you did. So I see both sides of it. Like I'm always, and not for nothing, 10 billion dollars in other businesses, your lineage ain't gonna be suffering. No.

Starting point is 02:38:06 That's the thing. This is the one time in sports history where I think the conversation becomes warranted because of this. And they say the Lakers were valued at 5 billion five years ago. Yes. Yeah. And the double. So to double in five years. Wow.

Starting point is 02:38:29 You have some. Look at that. It goes back to what I asked Wale about, just rappers, or should we be allowed to participate in IPOs. If you're the Buss family, you have arguably the greatest player to ever exist, if not one and two, in his down, you're never gonna see that. You're not catching that lightning in the bottle again.

Starting point is 02:38:50 Yeah. We also just got Luka. I don't know if you can get much higher than that. Much higher than Luka. There's not a world. There's not a world. The current situation. Yeah, there's not a world where you say to yourself,

Starting point is 02:39:03 hey, if we wait a little bit, we can get more? Yeah, I'm not sure if there's a better time. There is a world that that happens. Describe it for me. Because what happens in sports, especially in major team sports, certain markets drive the entire sport. So people be saying it's some bullshit,

Starting point is 02:39:21 but the Knicks got Patrick Ewing. You feel me? He was the number one pick. they want certain teams to be good because it drives the sport collectively We starting to see the shit with the two small market teams in the finals They get reports on that so now it would behoove the league to have the Knicks be in the finals next year to have a Chicago or LA I just think that even the Luka trade in itself, if you could surround certain piece, Luka with certain pieces, y'all still back in the hunt. I don't necessarily think that the team. What I'm saying to you in this Laker case, I don't think the hunt matters.

Starting point is 02:39:55 You have the second most championships ever. You have the greatest player ever about to do his retirement, so long, goodbye run. You have one of the greatest players ever guaranteed Hall of Famer that just got put in your lap. Like. It's like the perfect storm right now. They could win a champ, they could win the next two championships.

Starting point is 02:40:13 It's not gonna matter to their value. The Knicks are the third or fourth would go to state now. The fourth most valuable franchise. We haven't won since 73. A lot of that comes from Madison Square Garden and the real estate that the New York City commands, it leads into that value in New York. I'm just giving you an example.

Starting point is 02:40:33 Well, Brian Winhurst, to what you're saying, said that Teams financials leaked one year and because of the TV rights, it's the TV rights. The Knicks have TV rights, the Yankees have TV rights, the Lakers have TV rights. He was saying that because of those TV rights, local, and the Lakers made in one week roughly what the Grizzlies made in the year.

Starting point is 02:41:03 Just so you have a good understanding of the disparity between a small market and not only a major market, but a major market with a TV, a local TV, there's nothing like it, there's nothing like it. You also gotta think from the buyer's perspective, this is when you would want to buy the Lakers. Ten might be low to your point that it might be worth more if such and such they put a couple pieces around.

Starting point is 02:41:24 That's good for the buyer. No, I was, I was- Bare minimum, I got the LeBron farewell tour, and I got Luca here, so I know I'll be solid for a year or two at least. I got LA real estate, this is LA fam. Like, I think that, I was just talking to Joe's point that he doesn't see the team being worth much more

Starting point is 02:41:42 in the near future. I'm saying that I don't think that that's a guarantee. And these people at this level of business, they do, they do diligence. I was on, whoa, whoa, I'm with you. I do think that they can become even more valuable, but if I'm the Bust family having that conversation, like everything hit all cylinders right here.

Starting point is 02:41:59 Like, so let's talk. This is the same ownership group that has the Dodgers. Yep. Oh, Magic and them. Right. Yes. Magic's a part of that. And they already own part of the Lakers, too.

Starting point is 02:42:09 They already own 26%. They have a certain percentage of the Lakers already. They own 26% already. So what the sports knowledgeable people are saying is that if you watched what he did with the Dodgers, which was finding a way to outspend the Yankees, the Steinbrenner, the Red Sox. They spend like the money is coming out of a water fountain. So if you apply that to the Lakers and they kept Jeannie on to run the day to day operations

Starting point is 02:42:37 and apparently she was strapped for some cash and now she is not. They projecting the Lakers to just start bugging soon. Yeah. So be interesting to see how this plays out Congratulations to the bus family indeed Tim bill is Tim bill. Okay. How you chop it? Yeah From I don't know. I would have done it And that's one of my greatest fears work in my entire life to give something to my kid and my kid getting rid of it No, no, no in year one and two and the bus family keeps just over 15% ownership still

Starting point is 02:43:05 But that's for a period of time and it's gonna phase out from what I've read It's gonna it's a period of time that they'll have the minority steak But it's tough to say no to Yeah, I'd say no to Just tough to say no to oh I'm just reading this it says they still retain just over 15% of the team says they still retain just over 15% of the team. So if I can sell whatever my stake is for 10 bill and keep 15 and Jeannie gonna keep a job.

Starting point is 02:43:31 If they made five bill in the last five years, I ain't gonna hold you. I think you can make three to five bill just off LeBron's retirement season. They're gonna make money. Yeah, they're gonna make money. Money's the understatement. They're gonna make money.

Starting point is 02:43:42 Boo-cool money. And I think they saw a glimpse of that with Kobe. Indeed. I think they saw what that looked like. They were the only team that has a seat to see what that looks like. That is true. Cause nobody else's farewell tour even came close to what Kobe.

Starting point is 02:43:59 Niggas wasn't even getting a farewell tour. Like D-Way, none of them niggas didn't. Tim Duncan and Dirk and them niggas chucked the P sign up and went home to their wife. I remember, I was at the one when Dirk came up here to Brooklyn and did what-not. Kobe was getting gifts and stadiums was giving this nigga cars and you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:44:14 Yeah, like they should. It was a production. And Kobe was doing that without his kids there, without his kids on the team. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And people ain't like him. Like be clear, Kobe Bryant, when he was playing basketball, wasn't the most well loved.

Starting point is 02:44:30 He was a polarizing figure. Not until the end. When LeBron do it, it's going to be the entire NBA. It's going to be the ABA. It's going to be the college player. The CBA, the TBA. March Madness. The big three. The big three. Everybody. Or when Le big three. Everybody. When you run, everybody gonna have to give it up.

Starting point is 02:44:49 Yeah, you're right. You're gonna have control of all your music at some point, or if you don't already, I don't know your personal situation. Do you give instructions? If I do, I do, if I don't. It's coming up soon. I know Pump It Up in particular comes up soon. I guess my question is, do you give instructions to your kids about how you feel about them holding on to it?

Starting point is 02:45:07 How to handle that? How to handle that? Oh no, I'm writing it in. How I want it handled, I'm writing it in. Okay. I'm skipping them. Yeah, you can do it. I'm skipping them.

Starting point is 02:45:15 I'm writing it right in the shit. This cannot be sold. This cannot be yada yada. Yeah, I'm not letting it sell. Are you crazy? Yeah, and that's where it gets tricky. Because that's the same thing. I don't want my bookstore to ever be sold.

Starting point is 02:45:26 Somebody comes in, if Barnes and Noble tomorrow comes in and says, we'll buy it for 50 million, what do you say? And my answer is no, but I'm also, don't know what my kids are gonna say. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you said what? Do I repeat that? Repeat that sentence.

Starting point is 02:45:37 If Barnes and Noble comes in and says, we'll give you 50 million for it. He would say no. I would say no. Well, I don't know what I would say, I don't mean to say that. What I'm saying is, I don't know if I wanna instruct my kids. Well, I don't know what I would say. I'm not gonna say that. What I'm saying is, I don't know if I want to strike my kids. No, I don't know if I believe that.

Starting point is 02:45:49 I'm saying there is a number that sell it for. I'm not gonna pretend I wouldn't. 50 mil, that number. It might not be that much. I was about to say, n***a, 50, you got a pen? You got a pen? N***a say, fuck Bobby and a book. I don't even know Bobby like that.

Starting point is 02:45:58 You did talk to me harshly one time. But my point is, whatever the family business is, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don Bugs. I don't even know Bobby like that. I don't even know Bobby like that. But my point is, whatever the family business is, I don't know if I want my kids to have full discretion to be able to sell it,

Starting point is 02:46:14 but you also want to raise your kids in a way where they value that thing. I would hope your kids would know the value of your music catalog and wouldn't want to sell it unless they were just desperate. That's why I put Michael Paul Paul name on my shirt too now. It's hard for them to know the value. Yeah, and I don't know if I'm even right on this. It's not blood, sweat, and tears. Genie did. Because Genie was a kid. Genie played a pivotal part in that.

Starting point is 02:46:38 From teenage years. I don't know if, but even in that, bro, again, it may not be my passion. It's unfair for me to be held to hold this thing that you love so much if I don't have the same emotional attachment to that thing. I might want to go join a Peace Corps, I might want to move out of the country, I might want to go live the rest of my days

Starting point is 02:46:59 in fucking Paris or Portugal somewhere. You got me tied to this thing out of an emotional guilt. That's not fair. The other thing too is he was an entrepreneur. It's not like, it'd be different if he was a ball player. He was a hustler. He was, yeah, he might've loved basketball and had a big vision for the Lakers,

Starting point is 02:47:13 but it was probably from a financial vision for the, a lot of, that's how it feels in the winning time shit. He was, yeah, he was trying to hustle that shit up. Yeah, I got the opposite feel. I got the feeling that it wasn't about money for him when it came to the Lakers. At some point he came here by the Lakers. It was about the Lakers. That was his to hustle that shit up. Yeah, I got the opposite feel. I got the feeling that it wasn't about money for him. At some point he came to the Lakers. It was about the life, his religion, because he started doing shit that was counterproductive for the look. Like it wasn't a good financial move to do X. I think it's like fuck that. I think it's a long term play possibly

Starting point is 02:47:38 maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I can see if he was a basketball player and was part of the inception of the Lakers and was Fucking yeah That would be different I see question for y'all. Yeah $500,000 right this second or flip a coin for 40 million flip a card flip the coin flip the coin Flip the coin flip the coin flip the coin I flip the coin that's how you noticed y'all I'm taking a five hundred give me the guarantee I'm flipping the coin one in the hand worth more than two in the bush you know how to say

Starting point is 02:48:16 different hands and bushes I understand two in the bush a hundred percent of this fifty percent I'm I ain't the luckiest. That's what I'm saying, 50% chance. Like, it's either that or nothing over here. This is guaranteed, I'm gonna take the guarantee. I'm flipping a coin too, but y'all two up. No, my stance is this. Y'all two up. My stance is this.

Starting point is 02:48:37 Nigga ain't even blinking, 500 grand. $500,000 is attainable, I think, by everybody in this room. Yeah. $40 million for everybody in this room, yes, it's attainable, I think, by everybody in this room. $40 million for everybody in this room, yes, it's attainable, but the probability of people reaching $40 million in this room is different. A half a million dollars, everybody in this room can get a half a million.

Starting point is 02:48:56 And it's been able to put their hand on it. Now, if you had raised that number to say $4 million. Yeah? Four or five? I wouldn't have took the flip. I would have took the cash. I wouldn't have took the cash at four. Maybe two. Two or three. million yeah yeah I wanted to catch a yo maybe two two or three I might consider that's that's mine because I

Starting point is 02:49:11 know what my information I could take the three and turn it into 40 you know I'm saying like five go back to that like can't take the five and turn it into three then turn that into 40 yeah to take a long time though take a long time take a longer time to turn zero into it.

Starting point is 02:49:26 That's the ratio we take. I get it. How confident in you that you could turn three into 40? Oh, 100%. It's not even a probability. How long? It doesn't involve these Mexicans again? It's not a probability for me.

Starting point is 02:49:36 Oh, these are the Jamaicans. OK. It ain't a probability. Is Winston getting involved? It's 100% probability. How long? Depends on how many balloons they can swallow. Yes.

Starting point is 02:49:44 Yes. Yes. Yes. How long? Depends on how many balloons they can swallow. Yo. Yes. How deep are they? How deep are they? He said, how deep are they? Yo, oh, nah. How long would it take me to turn three into 40? I don't know about that, but it's a guarantee

Starting point is 02:50:01 that it would turn into 40. Like, it's not even a question in my brain three years no no it's gonna take more maybe five five years maybe not about five I mean this in five years in five years if you don't have the 40 and you don't have the three what could somebody do to you nothing cuz I'm gonna have one of the two but if you don't well we're gonna turn six or seven it ain't gonna three is that wrong a one up one up one up at the very least three can give you financials if you put if you don't. Three gonna turn into six or seven. It ain't gonna three to zero. One up, one up. At the very least three can give you financial.

Starting point is 02:50:28 If you just lived your regular life and put three in an interest bearing account, I mean you'd be fine. At 4% treasury bonds, you would still make money off the. That's what I'm saying. It creates too much security for somebody to not do it. Now, if you up up, then you would feel the way about the three million that we feel in about this 500.

Starting point is 02:50:44 Like, you know, I can put my hands, I can get 500 here tomorrow, you know what I mean? Doing something, but it's hard for me to get my hands on two or three million just by one act. True. You got it, you got it. So for your instance. Right, it would be like what?

Starting point is 02:50:58 If they said two million or 500 million. You gonna flip the coin? No, no, no, I'm flipping the coin. Regardless. Yeah, because the zero is valuable to me. The zero is the most valuable part in that equation. I don't have none of it. No, you're in a different place.

Starting point is 02:51:12 So. I'll flip the coin too. If I have zero, I ain't gonna lose a wink of sleep not getting some shit that was there. If it was three. So, roll the dice. If it was what? If it was three, man, I'm flipping the coin. Not me.

Starting point is 02:51:23 No, but Joe, if they said 40 million guaranteed or 500 million in the flip You're not going you're not taking 40 million. I'm flipping that going. Okay. I'm Billionaire Frankie Beverly what is a lot of money before I heard million 500 million chance of it is enough 500 million. Just the chance of it is enough. 60 and 500. Rest in peace barely man. I feel like barely on a lotto day going in the same store for 60 years and I hit one day. 500 million I gotta flip the coin. I have to. It's like on the game shows and they be like all right you can walk away now with what's behind door number one or your stupid ass could try to pick some unknown shit. Press your luck, press your luck.

Starting point is 02:52:07 Yeah, I'm always gonna be that idiot. Nah, depends, that's not true. That whammy come out and start doing them. That's like deal or no deal. How about that game now, press your luck. And then you're like big money, big money. Big bucks my whammy. You change that to 100 mil, I'll take it.

Starting point is 02:52:23 Okay. If you change to 100 mil, I'll take it. If you change to 100 mil, I'll take it. Then I'm not gonna play the clip again. You know why? Because the other money that is accessible, not saying him, but I know I get two mil, three mil, I can work to get that. So I don't mind, even 10.

Starting point is 02:52:37 I don't mind to take the chance of flipping the coin. But you don't think that with that mindset, you know for a fact you can get the three mil. Right? I can. Once you hit the three mil, it's going to change. And then you're going to be like, yo, shit I got three, I know I can get seven.

Starting point is 02:52:53 I know I can get 10. Like that's going to keep going. I think it's just, not saying you guys don't believe me and stuff, I think it's just believing that you can do it. Oh no, I just like guarantees. I think there's a third way of looking at it too, is like, I came into this with zero million.

Starting point is 02:53:06 So if I, no. That's what I said. Zero. That's what you're saying. I'm too vain, nigga. I believe in myself, I believe I'm going to make it happen. I'm going to go get it. That's it, that's how I believe.

Starting point is 02:53:14 Hey, I'm 49 years old, right? Right. Let me get that three. Give me that three. I'm good, give me the three. I'll take it and I'm going to do it. For the same reason you saying what Flip just said, I believe in myself so much, I know with three million I can good, give me the three. I'll take it and I'ma do it. For the same reason you saying with Flip, you said, I believe in myself so much,

Starting point is 02:53:27 I know with three million I can do, I can make magic happen. That's going to be hard. What would you think, man? No, I'm agreeing with you because after a certain age, it's just like risk versus reward kind of thing. And also, for me personally, I don't have no kids, so I'm not thinking about legacy and leaving shit behind.

Starting point is 02:53:47 You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to take the risk. You living for now? Yes. That's right, girl. A thousand percent. That's right, stop playing with her. You can hang out with any mean girl you fucking feel like,

Starting point is 02:53:57 nigga, who the fuck you are? Living for right, living my life like it's cold and living my life like, I'm living for the now, don't judge. Do your thing, Milly. Thank you. Do your thing, Milly, do your thing. Shut up, keep me alone.

Starting point is 02:54:16 That was just a quick question, what else we got? What else we got, what else we got? What else is important to us? Fuck it, another quick question, what are your true thoughts about men with nose rings? Uh. Uh. Uh.

Starting point is 02:54:31 I don't have no thought on that. I don't even know. Is it like a hoop in the nostril? I used to think it was gay before, but it's not. Like, I seen some niggas rock it. Pause. After the cult, I feel I have mixed feelings about it. Wait, what did a nose ring have to do with the cult?

Starting point is 02:54:46 It was a requirement. At one point. Are you fucking serious? Which one did you have? I didn't have one. I came in right after the nose ring error. You still won't send the link, though. Now we know why.

Starting point is 02:54:56 He in there with a nose ring. I didn't know that. That's the least of what he in there. That's the least of what he in there with. Yeah. A nose ring. What's up, Nelson Pistil? Yeah. At least the one he ended up with. A nose ring. So I'm not supposed to.

Starting point is 02:55:08 What did the nose ring symbolize in the cult? Well because there was a short answer is there was an era where our dress and our clothes when they were answers in Brooklyn was Sudanese and so we had to wear like white jellabeas, like white outfits, nose ring,

Starting point is 02:55:24 things around our head, and my eyes, all this stuff. So it was just the style. And the leader did it, we all did it. He didn't tell us to do it, but you kinda did. If he did it, you did it. When I came in, we had them little rat tails in the back. What up, though?

Starting point is 02:55:38 So I just have to. Yeah, yeah. It was a particular, like it had to be a hoop, a stud? Like, did it matter? It was a small hoop hoop in the middle or on the side on the side Yeah, yeah, yeah They won't find a picture It's all gonna they won't find a picture you with the hoop I'll show you a picture me wearing this stuff, but I ain't got no picture me

Starting point is 02:56:00 He the one that's gonna leave the picture as soon as he go Why'd you say July 1st is that contract Rena Rena go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Cheers. Yeah. It was dope. They were very fair. They were very fair. Got it. Well, Mel, as a woman, what is your... It's, I would say, instant turn off. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. Nobody gave their opinion, though.

Starting point is 02:57:00 Don't let any crab have a nose ring. Yeah, he can kind of get away with it. Pac didn't do it for you? No, strangely enough, you want to... He did such a good job as Bishop in Juice that I hated him for such a long time. But you got to understand, I was introduced to Tupac when I was like 13, 14 years old,

Starting point is 02:57:21 so that's the first impression that I had of him. So it took me a really long time to actually like him because of that role. So, yeah, so no, answer is it did not do anything for me because... But the Lenny Nose ring was cool, right? Like, that's a beautiful one. I mean, he's a rock star, so, you know, a lot of the things that he does, he's just... he can get away with that. Okay. Where we go? It's true.

Starting point is 02:57:44 Stick around at the Len me enjoy you boy. How long you will stay after at the letting me even agree. Anyway, listen, this is what I got for y'all. Maybe a stupid question, but I just want to revisit that top 75 list really quick. Okay. With Aaliyah as the bar bar here I just want to throw some names at y'all. Aliyah has a better discography than the Dream. Much more impactful. I'm asking about impact. Yes I would say yes. I'm asking about records.

Starting point is 02:58:18 I love Dream but yeah. Yes okay yeah. Better discography than Tyrese Yes, yes Yes, better discography than Trey Song. No No, no trade was gonna come up. No, no, that's a better argument. That's the best one for me. Yeah, but yes I would I wouldn't die on a hill. No, no, I would say yes No, I think I forget some of the least and remember and also think y'all forget some records ain't records ain't the only criteria It was it I'm only asking about I think y'all forgetting some of the least and remember and also think y'all forget some records ain't records ain't the only criteria was It wasn't I'm only asking about To a R&B purist Tyrese no

Starting point is 02:58:52 But for all I see why she would make the list over Tyrese Trace songs is a different argument She don't have a better discography than trace on she does not Not to me either. She does not knock on front. She don't have a better discography than Trey Songz. She does not. Not to me either. She does not. I'm not gonna front. She doesn't. Like I think I could take her album than Trey Songz. I could take away her Trey Songz album and he still might have the better discography than her.

Starting point is 02:59:14 Sure. And that's no shots to her but I mean. No disrespect to her at all. That ready is different. And I just ready five. He got some shit. All right. He had some shit. Yeah. All right so I won't bother with T- some shit. All right. He had some shit, yeah.

Starting point is 02:59:25 All right, so I won't bother with T-Pain. I would agree. He got some shit. Anything else I'm thinking about. All right, I don't have anything else that I'm dying to get out. I'm kind of chilling. How about y'all?

Starting point is 02:59:40 Anything? I'm straight. I'm good. Chillin'. I know there's normally a rush to the topic board. Right. So, Mel. I think chillin chillin. I know there's normally a rush to the topic board so Mel what's the last thing I can't read it from here Trump criticizes non-working holidays On Juneteenth that we got it. I'm tired of these non-working holidays is killing the economy So it felt like a shot against you and he's not kidding, but he's not doing anything to kill the economy. Okay got it

Starting point is 03:00:04 That's why you know, yeah, but he's not doing anything to kill the economy. Okay, got it. That's why, you know, or he not saying anything against the other non-working holidays. Right, he didn't tweet that on Columbus Day. He didn't tweet that on, you know. Yeah, they wouldn't pulled up his other statements on Juneteenth, like when he was president. What'd he say? Oh, I love black people and you know all of that. All of that. Billboard just released a statement about,

Starting point is 03:00:28 well not a statement, just a headline. R. Kelly has been denied prison release amid claims that jail officials are trying to murder him. We talked about that last night. Yeah, they rejected his claim, like this is bullshit, stay in prison. They know the game. All right, last question I got for y'all before we go. What's good? Does Whitney Houston have one of these? They know the game.

Starting point is 03:00:47 Alright, last question I got for y'all before we go. What's good? Does Whitney Houston have one of these? I'm asking you a question. Yes. Yes. She do. You should've heard the back. Oh no, you want me to hit him?

Starting point is 03:01:03 What is it? What is it? He was playing Whitney Houston the fuck out earlier or I'm asking you what it is Joe stop I'm asking I'm not I'm not giving my hit in terms of so what? My love is your love wait what go to wait next? Play what from waiting to excel Joe I'm about to pull them up Want you to play exhale shoot shoot Hit level They want you to play X-Hail, Shoop, Shoop. You talking about, that's like asking, you talking about in terms of hit level. They want you to play X-Hail, Shoop, Shoop.

Starting point is 03:01:48 What is it? Bodies is in terms of hitting. Shoop was number one song in America. Not that Shoop, nigga. Not that Shoop, nigga. If you talk about number one hits, the song is called X-Hail, Shoop, Shoop. That song is, nigga, so name the record.

Starting point is 03:02:01 I just, I'm naming it. I'm jumping in for everybody. To name the record, nigga., I'm naming it. I'm gonna shoot open to you, man. You wanna jump in for him? Yeah, I'm jumping in for everybody. Name the record, niggas. If you let me talk, I'm gonna tell you. X-Hell was the number one song in America for weeks at a time. This song was not. If we talking about success, this shit bodies that.

Starting point is 03:02:14 I'm talking about you having ears, but let's do it. Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's what I asked you, what is you talking about? I was only talking about success. And honestly, you. Yo, we just be. I'm only talking about trying to success right now you know we just be talking about If you talk about chart success

Starting point is 03:02:51 Depends on what you're talking about you talking about Oh I read off camera. I run off camera. I went to get some coffee and I don't Jumping over there we he got off that camera. Whatever, man. Y'all having side convos like, I'll kill you. Hey, hey, Whitney, rest in peace. You don't. You have your mom. Y'all said shoot.

Starting point is 03:03:16 You have your mom. I didn't say that. I gave you a song. What song? I said you give love. I remember what that song did outside. Oh, okay, let me see. You give... I'm 49, bro. Good

Starting point is 03:03:26 All right, so you saying this record right here I was outside about say it was a high school and this came out Come on you crazy No, but listen, Joe. Joe, Joe. Sorry. You are out of your mind. Thank you. Listen, everybody in this room will put R. Kelly above Whitney Houston.

Starting point is 03:04:09 No, they won't. In this room? No, they won't. Who got Whitney Houston above R. Kelly in this room? Me. I do. They do. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 03:04:18 Y'all can try to trick me. Hold up. R. Kelly's above Whitney Houston to me on the R&B list. I'm just saying Whitney got some hits. That's all I'm saying. Don't just hold up. You got some hits. Slow down, though. I'm saying. He was saying Whitney don't got one of them. I'm saying saying Whitney got some hits. That's all I'm saying. Don't just hold up I'm saying he was saying Whitney don't got one of them since she do even though I got R Kelly above Whitney Houston Whitney got plenty of them

Starting point is 03:04:31 My love is your love is one of them She got one of these no she has no pedophile songs You think it's a low blow not Don't ask me no questions nigga. So about Whitney, okay I'm trying to trick me up to have a debate and get me caught nobody I'm saying it and they go to our Kelly's a beast but there's people above him. That's all I'm saying. McDonald's. You being disrespectful. No, you doing.

Starting point is 03:05:18 Yo, you being corny right now. No, you're not. Let the nigga play. No, because you trying to make a real fight. You got enough music in that fucking laptop. And it's just a statue. They mad at me for playing the slap. No, you don't.

Starting point is 03:05:31 Turn that shit on, man. That nigga don't, that bad nigga don't. He know the song. And this shit ain't bad. I love these records. Play it with me, don't it? Let's stop, let's stop now. So it's okay to acknowledge what he's done. He just nigga play it. You got something in common, my nigga. Play that white Whitney record. We got some billboard money on the list. So it's okay to acknowledge what he's done

Starting point is 03:05:49 I don't really use the time when you read it Nigga go to the fucking water with a leer go to the soundtrack. I'm with you in the leadership fuckers you talk I'm done. I'm done. I don't I don't shut up. Yeah Jevin always done all these day. I'm done I'm done. I said I. I'm done, I said. I did it. R. Kelly can sell five million star Spangled Banners. He can't sell nothing right now.

Starting point is 03:06:11 Nah, hands over for that nigga. He can't sell nothing right now. Pack him up. Pack him up. Whitney, ever sung for the minister? Yo, I'm sure she has. You know from the laptop? I'm sure she has.

Starting point is 03:06:22 Yo, stop, stop, see? I'm sorry. Come on, bro. Kelz. I'm sure she has. Yo, Zoxy. I'm sorry. Come on, bro. Kelz. Kelz hit the... Yes, I play with Kelz, bitch. He's a white boy, look. He's some of Mr. Van Gogh, he's right.

Starting point is 03:06:31 Anyway. Oh, good. All right, we're done. Thank you. Oh, yeah. He's stuck with the Pope. You say the minister, that nigga marked me with that. Shit.

Starting point is 03:06:39 You can't play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'll play with the minister, that nigga Mark, you say the minister. You can't play with the minister. I'll play with the minister. I'm down with you.

Starting point is 03:06:50 I got nervous. I thought I did something. You spoke to him yesterday? Two days ago. Why you trying to stunt? What he said to you? Every time, Mr. Mark, my brother, how you doing brother Mark, you sound healthy. R Kelly got one of them. R Kelly got one of them. How you doing brother Mark and sound healthy?

Starting point is 03:07:07 All right, Kelly got one of them I'm sure it does Erica Badu alchemist We didn't we didn't we didn't touch on this on the new music segment couple drugs we ain't touch on the music Yeah, know. So I just want to circle back real quick and then we can get out of here. ["I Don't Feel Good"] I've been trying to show I go I I I I've been asking you

Starting point is 03:07:52 I go I go I go I go I go I go I go I go Again, that's brand new Erika Badu featuring the Alchemist Also friend of the show, friend of the show, stop playing with em This my shit right here

Starting point is 03:08:11 Let's go Wale, this shit is alright I was playing this as a sleepover Oh I cut it off I got something else, this is hard though I got something else. This is hard though. I don't know where to start but that is when I know when to begin. I don't know what we call but that is when I know what you want. This song is hard. This song is tough. I don't know where to start but I just want to show you what it is.

Starting point is 03:08:38 You're a summertime record too. I'm bout to lower my guard, so kill me now unless you want em You know I'm fine So fine You know I'm fine You know I'm fine You know I'm fine You know I'm fine You know I'm fine

Starting point is 03:08:58 You know I'm fine You know I'm fine You know I'm fine You know I'm fine You know I'm next to go, I'm next to go Sleepers, let's do it. Sleepers, let's do it. Also with a brand new project was K1, who I absolutely love. That project is absolutely amazing.

Starting point is 03:09:24 We played most of the heat already though. That ain't true. That ain't true. We played one little song. You played the single Do What I Say. I played Worst Behavior, which is on the Kehlani album that they striped and put on this album as well. But those are the only two songs that have been heard. Everything else is brand new on this project. So I'm gonna go with Talk You Through It, K1. Featuring Flo. This is a great project to do some fucking to

Starting point is 03:10:04 for the people out there that are in the fucking that ain't everybody I'ma talk you through it I'ma talk you through it Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh She could ever see Brazil Yeah, soft and still Can't you lucky I can't give you children Don't care about no hill And I do you any hills and

Starting point is 03:10:45 You ain't gotta say not a word, I'ma Talk, you do it Talk, talk to me Talk, talk, talk, talk, do it Talk, talk to me Talk, talk to me Talk, talk to me I want it bad, I want it in every corner of the book

Starting point is 03:11:08 Yeah Put me in my bags, you can tell me all that you wanna do Oh, oh, oh, oh I need you in my ears, ain't no world I'm trying to heal tonight I'm tryna hear it tonight I'm scared, I'm scared Only you, my slayer, somewhere in this Inside What you like to do then

Starting point is 03:11:36 Get a face inside this window you made me If I try to type out Me back in my face you better Talk me through it Talk, talk, talk, talk Talk me through it Talk, talk, talk, talk Take me back to third base Let me have a taste

Starting point is 03:12:03 Know you love it when the tears all down my lips You can spit it in my mouth, now that you're alive Baby, no question Cause I've never had it like this And it's so good, watch my shit Pussy, you're losing, just don't leave it Tell me it's the best Talk that shit about you

Starting point is 03:12:27 Talk me do it Talk me, talk me huh Talk me do it Talk to me, talk to me Talk That is brand new music from K1. Talk your through and feature and flow. Off that brand new project with all due respect.

Starting point is 03:12:53 Available in your phone and on DSPs right this very second. Shout out to K1 Phenomenal Project. Alright, alright, I'm gonna go to another friend of the show. This is Roddy Rich Underdog. This is Symbiore. Oh, that record is hard. Yeah, his record is fire. That record is hard.

Starting point is 03:13:11 Single off of the F1 movie soundtrack. Okay. Promo's working. Slide out the garage, I got a hundred cars, just for the underdogs The teller just asked me how I want the cash, I told him a hundred laws I want the gold wraps, pin it up double R Big dog, big dog, big dog, ooh, poppin' out sayin' I'm great I want the gold rash, print it up double R Big dog, big dog, big dog, Roo, poppin' out sayin' I'm great Biscayne drive, I cut off my roof, you know how I'm comin' this tape, too

Starting point is 03:13:53 Tell a nigga, get out the way, 4x4 big benches They thought I was canceled, I piped up and flipped the channel LST on the rim, they think we win, I just talked to my brother Shit ain't safe when you fuckin' with the underdog, I might bite but shit get rough I'm tryna have paper, Robert Craven, put a Tom Brady on the staff Pull up on Drake, talkin' chronic, keep up with the wave, straight out of college Garage, I got a hundred cars, this for the underdogs The teller just asked me how I wanted cash I told him 100 large

Starting point is 03:14:25 I want the gold ratchet Printed up double large Make the Ferrari slide on the 91 What if 105 press the gas in the slower zone I like PJ so much I might buy me one Suicide on the fat of my slide, dope Remainin' solid ain't changin' no code I ain't got no time to be chasin' no bitch Ain't got no time to be playin' this safe no no Slide out the garage, I got a hundred cars Bitch for the underdogs The teller just asked me how I want to cash it I told him a hundred cars, it's for the underdogs The teller just asked me how I want to catch you I told him a hundred large, I want them gold reds Pint it up double arms

Starting point is 03:15:16 And again, that record is Underdog by Roddy Ricch off of the F1 soundtrack The marketing is working on me with that I'm definitely going to fuck that movie. It looks good It looks good. They did some they did some haptic ad Yeah, that she was fired. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna see that. Yeah, you watch that one. I want homeboy to start getting his ground Then becoming a drop. Yeah. Yeah, we got to support the movies that have a minute for sure They were celebrating proddigy the other day, he passed a few years ago on this

Starting point is 03:15:47 date I think celebrating the day of passing. It's a little strange but it's a good excuse to listen to Small Prodigy. This is Legends. And the youngest man, those are coming, hurt Gays just don't die, now it's turning legends All we go through is hell, what the fuck is a heaven? We live fast and store deaths, go as possible Get our cash and put threats in the hospital Gays just don't die, now it's turning legends All we go through is hell, what the fuck is a heaven? We live fast and store deaths, go as possible

Starting point is 03:16:23 Get our cash and put threats in the hospital Young P thefts on the spot Get out cash and get drenched in the hospital Young P, when I was 13 I had dreams To do what LL did and run DMC Dirty lil' fuck, learning how to aim my P Older niggas in the hood used to try to thug me Till Pop gave me a knife, told me handle my things And if not, when I came back, he would handle me I put my first lil' bit of fear in niggas I was gas, started aiming with me I put my first little bit of fear niggas

Starting point is 03:16:45 I was gas, started aiming with the uppers that was on the same shit Had my first taste of gunfire early in my years gang fight We was jumping niggas, we was just scared Taking coats off of vikings, watches off of people's rep Shooting in the air, party turnin', aiming for your head And us young bloods and lil' young guns from back then Grew up to be Rax's most infamous place Most thugs we grew up with, prouder we didn't

Starting point is 03:17:08 And naturally you got uppers that wanna see us hit Gangsters don't die, we just turn to legends All we go through is hell, what the fuck is a heaven? We live fast and store death loans possible Get our cash and put threats in the hospital Gangsters don't die, we just turn the label. What we gon' do is hell, what the fuck is in heaven? We live fast and store death as long as possible.

Starting point is 03:17:31 Get our cash and put threats in the hospital. Cap it, cap it, cap it, cap it. That was Proggy and Alchemist's Legends off the Return of the Mack album, which kinda set off the producer-, rapper album project of this era. Rest of the piece, Progie. I'm going to... the song is called Night and the artist is Keshi. Let's go. I'm so excited! I'm going to be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

Starting point is 03:18:26 little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

Starting point is 03:18:42 little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a I can hear you, waiting for the light I can't close my eyes And I'm alone, I hear you calling So save me from the night You can't save me, I'm getting alive You saved me, you're closing my eyes You saved me, you want me to save me

Starting point is 03:19:14 Somebody wake me, so save me for the night I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, mind, I can't pay the price Somebody save me All my body, all the rest I gave it up and all that's left is you Try to reach and I can't move Here I'm waiting for the end I can't close my eyes And I'm alone if you're falling So save me from the night Save me, oh give me the light

Starting point is 03:20:29 Save me, I'm closing my eyes Save me, it won't be the same me Somebody wake me So save me for the night That was just catchy night. Let's go. More support. Mine is called Can't Let Go by Jane Hancock. Feels right I know that this is wrong Creeping in the night Just you and I

Starting point is 03:21:32 Feels right Can't seem to keep it right I know that you're no good Fuck my mind, my heart, my soul When you're dead I walk into your room, morals disappear Know my girls can't know just what we do Living 50, living time, since you ran across my mind

Starting point is 03:22:05 Here I go again Then oh, I can't let go Where you walk the way you talk the way you know And oh, here I go again Then oh, I can't let go I think I'm just an addict for your love I'm hooked for sure Ooh, feels right

Starting point is 03:22:35 I knew it from the start You found the break my heart One hit and it feels right Got a few niggas on my line Why spend the block for you? One's doin' a lot to keep my soul with you near me What a shame, I walk into your room World's disappearing time

Starting point is 03:23:06 You know my girls can't know just what we do The things you do to me Every 50 livin' time Since you ran across my mind Here I'm goin' Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no you walk the way you talk the way you know No, here I go again I can't let go

Starting point is 03:23:37 I think I'm just an addict for your love I'm hooked for sure, I'm not gone for sure, oh you got me Walking down the street, smoking hero Think about you and me And I can let you go I'm in, I'm in, yeah I said I'm in, yeah Think about you and me

Starting point is 03:24:03 See I've been around with the time down What am I to do though? Oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh I would like to, but we can't. We can't. We'll give you a little bit. How about that? Since we kicked Aretha's back in, I did an old music R&B. This is from the Curtis Mayfield Sparkle soundtrack. This is Aretha Franklin, something he could feel.

Starting point is 03:24:36 Yeah, I would. Wait, hold up, dawg. Mark. What? Mark. That is a sleeper. Most people don't know that she was original. This generation does not know that En Vogue

Starting point is 03:24:46 wasn't the first people to make this. Mark. You're 74 years old, you know that. Mark, we have a beautiful guest. I said you could cut it before we started. But we have a... It's a good band, you know what I mean? This is actually a great cut.

Starting point is 03:24:57 Y'all can pretend it's not, but... We have a beautiful guest waiting. Like, we don't have to... Like, Aretha. Yeah, I mean, Aretha, with all due respect. Yeah. Y'all all kicked Aretha. Yeah, I mean Aretha with all due respect Y'all all kick Aretha back in. I did not except Parks. I can't even out show properly with Then cut it out for the rip. Yo, can you cut please? Cut Aretha Franklin off? Cut the greatest singer America's ever produced. Yo, Ann Dornan embody this shit

Starting point is 03:25:24 Listen man real good show today. really really really good show today man make some noise for yourself we want to thank everybody that swung by Papa Joe Ethan button fucking Trey button man buttons Talk to these buttons about what a work day look like. Anyway, man, really good show today. Remember, if you did not enjoy this show the way we would have liked for you to enjoy it, your opinion doesn't matter, never mattered, won't matter tomorrow, and we'll be back

Starting point is 03:26:01 the same exact time next week. Like, we would hate to let anybody down. You could count on us. Rely on us to be there like blue magic, especially if you didn't like this episode as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you. I just wanna get that out there. Keep us in your prayers.

Starting point is 03:26:17 Lord knows we need to be there. Hold on, let her get her bag. Hey. Let's go, it's your life to get on, nigga. Hey Keep us in your prayers lord knows we need to be there until the next time we bid you a dual feel well Adios, the river dirty. I still have each dog Dirty hasta la vista Everybody have an amazing weekend. Stay safe. Stay blessed Y'all are down out there. Listen anybody doing anything interesting this weekend that we need to hear about? Let's go. Let's go. Let's go Freeze going back outside

Starting point is 03:27:37 Freeze party freeze birthday party tonight tonight. Oh Mel what you want what you want? I'm working All right, big male work. It's what I put up ish. I ain't doing that. Just hanging on my baby What up? I'm outside to ain't doing my baby Going to party I know you want to go together You know you scared in North bro, but I got you y'all with me y'all go let nothing happen to me I do right. That's a great point. Like I wouldn't happen y'all Jersey City. You don't go to your you can't Yes, you can I ride with you? Or definitely I'll come pick you up in the pink truck shotgun

Starting point is 03:28:15 Bring some hypnotic Park what you want is we get mark with y'all Going back out Fuck out here. We'll go back. Mark, what you on this weekend? Mark, what y'all on? I'm outside. Hey, Mark's going back outside. That's a fact. Mark, what you on, man? Your body's going to hit the floor, too. Hey, body's hit the floor.

Starting point is 03:28:30 Mark? I ain't know nothing, man. I ain't doing nothing. All right. At least lie, nigga. At least lie like you did. Get some rest, man. Nope.

Starting point is 03:28:38 Yeah, no, you need to get some rest. Yeah, take a nap, why don't you? That's what you need to do. Yo, go to sleep. You got a tour guide. Turn the internet off. I'm going to sleep. I'm going to plug the Wi-Fi for a you go to see you got to turn the internet off? The Wi-Fi for yeah, I'm sleeping the whole back in one piece niggas y'all hold it down man

Starting point is 03:28:51 We'll be back same time same place next week Last but certainly not least the baddies are insecure to stagnant women want to travel when the closed-minded women want you to teach them Things grab you a time at all all you might need it till next time No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 836 | "Alaska To Nebraska"

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