The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 840 | "Howard the Coward"

Episode Date: July 5, 2025

The JBP’s fourth of July episode begins with their weekend plans (18:15) before diving into the verdict of the Diddy case which was handed down earlier this week (29:16). The room then debates if th...e Feds overshot their case (46:06) plus their attempts to sway the public opinion (1:03:30), and the latest on Malik Beasley’s investigation (1:29:50). Also, Joe asks the room what their biggest first world problems are (1:38:00), if you dated Jeff Bezos would you expect him to be faithful (1:53:17), Marc Lamont Hill joins the show to discuss his thoughts on the outcome of the Puff trial and whether or not he’d sit down for an interview (2:24:05), + more.  Become a Patron of The Joe Budden Podcast for additional bonus episodes and visual content for all things JBP! Join our Patreon here: http://www.patreon.com/joebudden 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The thoughts views and opinions expressed by this podcast as well as its hosts offer entertainment purposes only I Repeat it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing revealing indicting Or telling you anything about themselves Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals. Do not have your best interest at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. It's very romantic-y right now.
Starting point is 00:00:29 Look, look, look, she taking my toys. She got my toy. She's trying to call me some time. She stressed. Alright. This is the Protect My Peace episode. I am protecting my peace. I know that's right. I'm not even putting the headphones on so I can hear any and all slight subs and shots. I don't know. The shots in this episode?
Starting point is 00:00:53 Got a room. I don't know. I don't know, but. Nah, I ain't gonna be no shots in this episode. I just want to protect my peace. Everybody in a good mood. Little fireworks in the fourth? Nah.
Starting point is 00:01:01 On the JVP? Nah. I think everybody in a good mood. I think so. All right. Y'all looking like I got somewhere to be Yeah, oh grumpy got your new shoes on you like you got some way to be too These are new they got short real quick I need to get something new, they got short real quick. They not new, but I mean.
Starting point is 00:01:24 I mean, you know. They not new to us. New to us. There we go. There we go. Many things are new to you guys. I know. For those seven times already, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:01:37 Freeze, you just said we was going to have a nice time. We just said we was going to have a good time. And your very next statement, you leave me dead in the street. No, you supposed to find, I said niggas looking like they got somewhere to be. And then you, everybody, you can just let it go. That's true. I'm wrong. There we go.
Starting point is 00:01:59 It's accountability. It's just a new thing I'm trying. Accountability. I'm about to change the pod game. Because nobody does it. No one admits they're wrong in podcasts. Nobody does it in podcast world. I'm about to change it up.
Starting point is 00:02:12 You know what, Freeze? I'm wrong. My man. It don't even sound right on the bottom. Yo, if a nigga keep being wrong, what the fuck I want to listen to him about? Or at least admitting to being wrong, whatever. Double down on the wrong. Yeah, I want to hear that guy.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Yeah. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I'm going to be a good the fuck I wanna listen to him about? Or at least admitting to being wrong, whatever. Double down on the wrong. Yeah, I wanna hear that guy. I ain't gonna hold you.
Starting point is 00:02:33 Mel, when was the last time you were wrong? About five minutes ago. Mmm, huh, big Mel? Five minutes ago. What happened five minutes ago, I did not know that flip was already here, so I started talking shit about how he does what he wants and he was out there on the balcony. You know the sad part about that? I was wrong and I said I was sorry. I don't care about that sorry. The sad part about that whole thing is that, it's like, I'm like a slave to you.
Starting point is 00:03:11 I come out, I defend you, you know, especially behind the scenes, I champion for you. When you're not here, when you wasn't here, I'm like, yo, man, what's up with Mel? I pull niggas to the side where my sister at, and as soon as you think, I'm just sitting right there minding my business, talking to my tax guy, or the phone, and I walk in, you in the midst of kicking my back in, Mel.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Sorry, I was wrong. I don't accept. She was wrong. Okay, well, I mean, you don't have to. Okay. You don't have to. I just, I did, it was an outward acknowledgement of me being wrong and apologizing,
Starting point is 00:03:48 but you do not have to accept that is your prerogative. Thank you, ma'am. Mm-hmm. Hey Ish, when was the last time you were wrong? Yes. Why is this such a funny question? Because you're not going to answer it. Yo, yo, yo.
Starting point is 00:04:08 This is the year for you. I'm telling you. Hey. What if he said the world is round? This little thing that you do. Trying to think of the last time I was wrong? Yeah, this this yeah. I don't know. It's like every question is some fucking Neil deGrasse. No, no. That's what I do right?
Starting point is 00:04:38 It's cool. Did you come up with it? No, I'm trying to think. It's probably a while ago. Damn. This is tough. He unrolled. Smart nigga right here. All you gotta do is say yes. Hey, Joe, you stumped me with that. Damn, me wrong? I looked at that.
Starting point is 00:04:56 This is about 92. Third grade. Nah, I was right on 92. Damn. It's escaping me. I don't know. You can't figure out what you're doing. In no area in your life.
Starting point is 00:05:11 Oh yeah, I'm sure a million. And just before we cut the mics on, we was having a talk where you was wrong. Oh, when I said that I, uh, I saw a... We can't talk about that one though. That's too wrong. Yeah, yeah, that's too wrong. Yeah, he'd that's too wrong. He be forgetting it real time. We'll talk about it later.
Starting point is 00:05:29 I thought you were talking about the topic that I gave Mel to put on the board. Well, yeah. That turned out to be fake. The 37 plastic surgery joint. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've all been gotten by cox horses. Well, that's different from you. We don't.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Let me be respectful. That's a crime. I know. That's a crime that you do. I shut up instantly. Okay. Male for a little crime loop, crime trap. She throw it up.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Crime! And I grab it every time. You got to hop over them shit. Mail for a little crime loop, crime traps. She throw it up, crime! And I grab it every time, ah! You gotta hop over them shit. Last time, Freeze, you last seen the raw Freeze? I was wrong the other day. I said some shit that just wasn't right. That's all.
Starting point is 00:06:16 I can't go into detail. I was wrong. Big wrong. My bad, babe. You was right. Oh, one of those. Yeah. That's the worst when you're all near girl.
Starting point is 00:06:25 And you gotta acknowledge it. But when you do you was right though in the moment. If you lucky you ain't got none of those thank God. I'll get them sometimes. Just saying I can't remember none that happened in a while. I tell you one thing, I better not see you on another podcast. If I see you on a podcast the rest of this year, we thumping, I ain't gonna hold you. I ain't gonna hold you, I'm just telling you what it is.
Starting point is 00:06:53 All it's like. Let my foot get wet. Oh my Lord. Before you still laugh on me. Mother fucker, if it's kids, all them shits you be doing to prom boys. Prom boys podcast? Yeah, prom boys. Prom boys podcast. Yeah, cuz he'll do any part.
Starting point is 00:07:08 I'll do any part. That nigga, the plant store part. Oh shit, my uncle used to be a planter. You know I always had a green green thumb pot. Oh man, alright. Alright, alright, alright, alright. What's happening right now? What's happening right now? What's happening right now? You look at some words of wisdom here. We go all he gets is a year now
Starting point is 00:07:32 Shit, I killed you myself bitch Shit killed myself bitch See that's the difference between you and me Don't get mad Tito Tito. It's the law Sucks on the difference between you and me don't get mad Tito Tito it's the law sucks huh yeah well this is over with maybe you can come work for me Bad boy, bad boy Made up You ain't even got a count of money This is on the house
Starting point is 00:08:22 Bones, bones, bones Mic check 1212, mic check 1212 Happy 5th of July out there what the fuck is going on Shout out to wherever you might be listening from Let's train the patty Un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un un New York City I'm a A-Lean, my wrist A-less, all the mugs ageless, bezel it up like a billboard out in Vegas You can't be serious baby, you know I'm on top five, but can see you to the most high Yo boy, and there's even in the bow tie Oh boy, this you know I got them close ties, on board Shout out to the patrolies out there! I'm gonna give you my love for you I'm gonna see you soon when you know
Starting point is 00:09:47 You know the one when I say my soul's gone The world is nothing but another day I'm never done with you So I hope you know Again wherever you might be listening from, we got a great show lined up for you today. So happy to be here, God is good. So I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go
Starting point is 00:10:34 I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go I don't wanna stay, you can go Don't you hear the clock? I'll announce it, I'll announce it, I'll announce it Shout to all the parents out there All the children out there
Starting point is 00:10:49 We're going to town Like a thousand dollars soon Time is running out We're still living in the garden When the angels come on Always for the ladies, always for the ladies I'm the angel's call Always for the ladies, always for the ladies Yes sir! I'm gonna do it real bad
Starting point is 00:11:28 I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not for talking Everybody outside, everybody get something to eat Everybody at a picnic right now Every time I close my eyes Wake up feeling so horny I can't get you out of my mind Sexy you be all I see I would give anything Just to make you understand me I don't give a damn about nothing You in the curve right now, let me hear you
Starting point is 00:11:52 Whoa I need you I need you baby I need you baby I need you baby I need you baby I need you baby I need you baby You in the curve right now, let me hear you! Whoa! Take my hand, you need to be my hand I need your body
Starting point is 00:12:10 Yeah, me! Take my hand, you need to be my hand If you in the sun dress out there Take my hand, you need to be my hand Give me your face Take my hand, you want me? Say, take my hand You need me Take my hand What you got in my head You got my mind
Starting point is 00:12:26 You got my mind You got my mind You got my mind You got my mind What must I say You got my mind You got my mind You got my mind
Starting point is 00:12:42 You got my mind You got my mind You got my mind Oh, it's Cisco. Yo, don't do that again. Don't do that again. Oh! I'm on a freak kill. Yeah, yeah. I'm on a fight. Huh? It's still a little bit of a fight. Cause you went on tour with Cisco. No.
Starting point is 00:13:00 All right, man. Y'all know what the first topic is, man. I ain't gonna hold it up. Let's go. This thing right here. Let's go, man, y'all know what the first topic is man, I ain't gonna hold it up. Let's go Way to play no game We gotta say the quiet part out loud man Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I don't know if that's true. Renewal it right now. I will. He did. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it.
Starting point is 00:13:47 Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Crack it. Baby, get ready to go Get ready to go Here we go! Wait a minute! Yeah, a majority, not all of it. Okay, guys, how many? 70%? They didn't say it specifically. He cracked them. Just for that one...
Starting point is 00:14:13 He cracked them. I thought it was supposed to be for the beat, but I didn't know if you'd say so much. But then I learned, because Trinidad James is the same thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. If y'all have ever been to a party when this song comes on you guys are being extremely
Starting point is 00:14:26 Disrespectful with this Trinidad James talk right now I'm gonna be good Hey stop playing man Alright we got a great show lined up Shout out to niggas first baby mom I met my baby mom on this record Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyy yyyey yye Oh Think Cisco should try to get his look back and that little living the Vita loco shit. I
Starting point is 00:15:18 agree What I shouldn't be significant. It should be you should get maybe have to give a little piece, but like maybe 15% High significant. It should be, you should get, maybe have to give a little piece, but like maybe 15% is shocked. I do agree. It's a phrase. Yeah. My phrase is easy to say in 2025. But was it his phrase? Like, did he make, Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. Wasn't it like, wasn't it like a guy that he wrote the phrase with? Uh, what's his guy named? Uh, Ricky Martin dog, thong song came out in 97, 98. No, like 2000. No, like 2000.
Starting point is 00:15:50 2000, 2000. 99, 2000, that nigga for a while as a teenager. Damn, my bad. 19, 19 and 20. All right, so that made that fucking, Ricky Martin came out in 96, dog stop it. And you know what that song. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, that's bad. Really, really, that much? Martin came out 96 dog stop it and you know what dance
Starting point is 00:16:13 you can't call seven years after that and be like yo. I got this little joint and I'm using the main party. You don't even call. No, you put it out. You know you that's why he got scraped. That's why that's why you guys go. You're done. Yeah, you know and you why would they do that on deaf? Yeah, I think they probably felt like I feel like it was a phrase. It's not it's not like you took a whole line. You took a phrase. Well, you can't live in a crazy life is that like a the good thing living a crazy way that live in a crazy life. He didn't say
Starting point is 00:16:45 that Mr. Translator. He's living lain' La Vida Loca. Still just a phrase. Ow. Yeah. I'm just trying to, did he coin the phrase or did it exist before him? I feel like it did. And he just made a song off of it. You cool with stealin' on America's birthday? No, it's not.
Starting point is 00:16:56 It's American pastime. Exactly. America got stolen. Exactly. America's 249th birthday, you cool with that? Yeah. You think that with your cool with that. Yeah Founding principles for which whatever so does this? 40. Oh, no, we've been killing the AIDS
Starting point is 00:17:25 H been kind of fire. Yeah, we'll confirm we'll confirm, we'll confirm. 840 indeed. I was, oh. That was my guess. I mean, I said it a second ago. Oh. Maybe I'm not, I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. Welcome to episode 840 of the Joe Button podcast, brought to you by Powered by a Few by Price Picks, Price Picks gang.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Yeah. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, yada yada yada. It's a holiday, nigga. I'm in vacay mode. You know who I am, I said it enough. Where the grill is here Mel is here, Flip is here, Itch is here, Ice is here, Parks is here, Po is here, Corey is here, Erickson is here I think I saw Akib and Ian I think Savon and Tanner are working today I wouldn't know I need to check up on who's working I believe they are I believe they are I got a
Starting point is 00:18:02 couple contractors they spoke to me about a year and a half. I'm going to call you niggas. I'm going to check up on that house. Sit them niggas down and just do what the fuck they want to do. Flip told you to have a grill out here. What's up? Thank you. There is no grill out there as you guys can see. Well it's supposed to be Flip.
Starting point is 00:18:21 We can Amazon one real quick probably. Quick, drop the webber right over. I thought about the grill but you guys kept making it seem like y'all supposed to be flipped. Okay, Amazon will real quick probably and again Right over I thought about the grill But you guys kept making it seem like y'all wanted to be in and out of here and like y'all had things to do So, okay, I wasn't gonna go for like a day. Oh So you want to be lit all day and we'll get into you miss miss Molly. Yeah Definitely want to be lit. Okay Between breaks I have a burger. It's like the New Year's of the summer.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Damn, sorry I let you guys down. A little bit. Nick's used to eat like shit, drink a lot, you know, get fucked up. Well, you can make it up to us later on. So, alright. We believe in you. Okay, we'll see. We'll see. You guys alright? We good, yeah in you. Mm-hmm. Okay, we'll see
Starting point is 00:19:11 Excited about they started about the fourth man. That's it. You know, you're trying to be efficient That did it should you be letting s as soon as we get quiet. Yeah. Hey, everybody up. We're gonna break out a song. As soon as we get quiet like this. No. Y'all got four plants? Yeah. Family. I'm gonna see family today, Joe. We're gonna have some cookouts later. Yeah. Cookout. I want to end up on a rooftop somewhere. That's my New York tradition on the floor. End up some rooftop, eating and drinking, watching the fireworks. Nice. And you and Queens. Yeah. So they shot outside.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Shot outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, I don't have anything to play, I ain't doing shit. Nothing at all? You in the grave, you not doing nothing at all? Oh, no. Nothing playing.
Starting point is 00:19:59 You going outside. I'm sure someone's gonna hit you at some point. During the paio, cooking out. Oh, we'll see, we'll see. If not, it's fine. I at some point during the pile. Yo, cook it out. We'll see. We'll see. If not, it's fine. I stayed out mad late the other night. Came home like 430.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Oh, you was outside? Outside, outside. What you doing, boy? What you doing? You back? You back like that? Oh shit. What you doing, boy?
Starting point is 00:20:23 He's so stupid. 430. My girl was tight. You took your location off? He's so stupid. 430! My girl was tight. You took your location off? You took the location like you were in airplane mode? Airplane mode. 430, son? Fuck it.
Starting point is 00:20:40 How that combo go the next day? YOLO. What combo? Is go the next day though. What combo? Oh got it Is it the next day? I'm about what? Yeah, I see you. I'm about the mics on yeah, I'll ask This year we go you touch me wrong we yeah, tie waddle That's a lot of questions. Don't nobody want they part now having fun and coming in not too far That's too much fun. That's too much fun.
Starting point is 00:21:05 That's too much fun. And if that's out of character for you, then what was going on that night to me that you wanted to have? Good joke. So does she hit you in real time? Like you got home at 4.30? Man, I don't think it's the way.
Starting point is 00:21:16 Oh, I don't want to. Don't incriminate yourself. I don't want to start so early with my views on things, but if you're in a relationship, I don't really see why you're coming in at five in the morning, four in the morning. Agreed?
Starting point is 00:21:28 I just don't think it's wise. It's not wise. You can still not wise. It's not wise. For sure. Really not wise if your name ain't on the list, too. My, my, my. I told you.
Starting point is 00:21:39 I told you. I tried to pull that same move, but that's the only one. Lock me chains out this one. Yeah. My wife tell me, like, if I come home 5 that same move, man. She don't want to lock me chains out. Yeah. My wife tell me, if I come home 5 o'clock, she woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep concerned. Yo, dog.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Yo, can we wake that up? Girl, go to sleep. You got work. I'm good. I'm OK. She up all night. She talking about some, yo, I texted you UAS, I must've been having fun.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Yeah. Yeah. That's literally what I was doing. I was having a remote, but listen, my phone was, I lost that shit. Strippers had to help me find, where, y'all see my phone? This girl will find a reason to be awake if I'm out. Oh, you know my stomach was hurting. Oh, you know I got a bad migraine. My period. That girl's got all this bullshit.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Just so happened that it happened today? Yeah, they just won't say, yo, I'm up because you out and I'm on my stalking shit. And that shit made me mad. Yeah, I'm on my stalking shit. I'm on my stalking shit. I'm on my stalking shit. I'm on my stalking shit.
Starting point is 00:22:48 And that shit made me mad. Yeah. I agree. I told my wife the same shit, like, girl, enough, you gotta go to work. And then on top of that, you go and blame me. I'm out handling business. You're going to blame me that while you're tired at work,
Starting point is 00:23:02 go to sleep. Take a time on OPM, go to sleep. It works, it don't work. Yeah, this is what I'm about. You know I have been having trouble sleeping for weeks. I know you ain't buying no melatonin either. Lack of magnesium. You ain't.
Starting point is 00:23:16 It's a bad bedroom. Got that Z-Quill right there. Magnesium, get it done. Spray it on the feet. You know the crazy thing about it though, if it was the other way around. I was about to say. My wife stay out until 1130.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Be like. Ha ha ha. Get the shoe on the other foot. You got kids girl. Girl you got kids. You out at 1130? Where are you? You got children.
Starting point is 00:23:35 Now JR number's big. I start making shit up. We need some food in the house. Nico had a nightmare. Where were you? You out there as 11. Ho. Yo. Why had a nightmare. Where were you? You out past 11, ho. Why don't you act like a lady? That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:23:50 No, have some fucking self respect for yourself. And you representing me? Yeah. I say a lot. Gotta pour it on. That's the one right there. It's a motherfucker, boy. Now go to bed.
Starting point is 00:23:59 And if she go to bed, her little piss alarm clock is set to when I should be leaving the strip club. Girl. Yeah. Girls got that too. When they, when they sneaking around doing some bullshit, Oh, who's up peeing? You was up doing that shit. You know what you'd be doing. Women's intuition.
Starting point is 00:24:23 that shit. You know what you'd be doing. Peeking. Women's intuition. Peeking. You're peeking. Yeah, that's crazy. Women's intuition. I looked at my girl dead in the middle of an argument one time and was like, I'm going to check the cameras and see what you're doing when I'm sleeping. And then they weren't working no more, right?
Starting point is 00:24:41 Mysterious power outage. The fucking cameras is broken. No, then she was offended. I said something like that to her. And then I took a walk and No more right She was offended I said something like that and then I took a walk and felt bad that I said something like that Well, I said that too what's wrong about that you can't say that to your They're not going outside. I'm just somebody if you go into my phone That's what I'm that was that was that's what I was saying. Yeah, that's not rude. You can't, you can't. If you ain't got no proof, you can't.
Starting point is 00:25:08 This is illegal to go to somebody's phone. That's number one. Number two, it's not rude to say, hey yo, there's some things missing. This was here. Some things were moved around and when I fell asleep, things are not in this place. You cannot tell your partner
Starting point is 00:25:22 that you are checking the camera systems to see what they're doing while you sleep and think that you're gonna have a good week, it's all I'm saying. True, but I do, I prefer for you to be honest with me. Yo, ay, while you were sleeping, I went through this and I did this and I did that. I would prefer that. Oh, God. If you don't do that, that means you lied or you omitted. Yes. So then I'm gonna do the same thing.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I play a game like that, boy. I don't care. Okay, so like, question for the married guys. Sure. Is there any, is there any, oh, there's two of you. Are you talking to him? Talk to the white guy. Well, no, I wanna ask both of you.
Starting point is 00:25:54 But there's some pretty close to married guys. No, no, no, she said the married guys. The married guys, y'all. No, no, no, no, no, no. I can't speak to that. I've never been married. Yeah, man. I've only proposed.
Starting point is 00:26:03 It's a different level of commitment. Wait, twice, wait. You proposed twice, boy. It's a different level. Don't try to downplay proposal. I'm saying, I've never been married. I've only proposed. It's a different level of commitment. Twice. You've proposed twice, boy. It's a different level. We're trying to downplay proposals. I'm saying, I've never proposed in the business. It's different. Okay, so, okay. What's the question? You've already been proposed by the law. I can't. You've got a body in next proposal. You're going to have to skydive off of something like, you know, landing in front of her with a parachute on your knee.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Got to. No, I'm just going to leave the proposal in my phone one day. Under a girl name? That's fine. That's good. Just put a text with Jessica. That's funny. I was going to ask like as as married men are like in a you know in a marriage. Is your phone off limits to your partner? We don't do that play a game so she can pick up your phone whenever she want. I mean I let her pick
Starting point is 00:27:04 up on full if she's snooping we't snoop through each other's phones. But I'll pass her the phone to look some shit up or if her phone's dead or whatever, whatever. I'm not paranoid about my phone. OK, OK. I do the same thing. But we don't sneak through each other's shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:20 My wife, even when she picks up, she doesn't like to go home. If I tell her to go get my wallet, she doesn't go into my pants to get my wallet. Same thing with purses and other shit. She brings my pants to me. I don't know what that's about. I don't know where that came from, but she does that. Go through that shit.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Go through the cash app. All right, so what advice do you give to people in relationships? Yo, I ain't gonna lie. Niggas in relationships, let me tell you right now, yo, I'ma talk to the fellas. Yo, go through phone game and when you go to a phone really go through that shit go through the cash I've already Bluetooth see how many niggas she been in cars with you see BMW
Starting point is 00:28:00 I'm telling you go through the deleted messages I'm telling you go to the deleted messages Get right go Yo for the female yo, just trust him So if he black yo, he's not cheating just trust him Listen to what he say don't talk over him never talk over your ladies. Don't talk over him never talk about ladies. Yeah, they don't talk over you All right, and listen say sorry cost zero dollars and zero cents Yo, having accountability cause zero dollars and zero that part though. Yeah Yeah, yeah that part Hopefully I would help
Starting point is 00:29:01 That part too. Kind of cooked a little bit. Hopefully that was able to help. It was. Super helpful. What's up, what's up, what's up? Y'all running from me, what's up? We not running from you. What's up, what's up?
Starting point is 00:29:12 I was there in real time. You and J-Elect. I was there in real time. I was in the overflow room, man. You sprayed baby oil on you? No, you quit, never, never, never. But the puff tried, the puff verdict. Puff verdict came down, man.
Starting point is 00:29:28 The biggest charge, the Rico charge, he was found not guilty, right? Rico in sex trafficking found not guilty. And then what was he found guilty on? The transportation for the purpose of prostitution. Your ass. We called that one. Yeah, you did.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Yeah, he did. How do we feel? Well, wait. First, describe what was the energy in the overflow room. Okay, so when he- Because we saw some footage outside the courtroom. When the verdict came down, outside erupted. I mean, they went crazy.
Starting point is 00:29:57 The people were hugging each other. Some people were crying. I didn't know what was going on. That's what I saw outside. And also when I arrived, they were having a baby oil off, like pouring baby oil on each other and dancing. This guy named Omar. So they did that before the verdict got out?
Starting point is 00:30:12 No, the verdict came down and they started to do that. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. Was there a Walgreens close by or did they just come straight? No, I brought that shit with them. Preplanned. You know, um... And you didn't? No, I'm not. Come on, yeah. You know, um. And you didn't.
Starting point is 00:30:25 No, I'm not. Come on, Parks. I'm not throwing no baby oil, man. That's not helping. I'm Queens Flip. I'm not doing it. I want to do it. I also represent the JVP. That's true. So I'm not going out there throwing baby oil on my body
Starting point is 00:30:39 and doing that, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, that's what I saw when I got there. Then my mom took me inside, and yeah. When he got denied bail, the overflow room was like, oh, they were so angry. They put the baby oil back down. Yeah, they was angry, they was angry. Well, how do we feel about the verdict?
Starting point is 00:31:01 How do we feel about the decision made by a jury of his peers? I think he was right. I think he was right, Cole. I feel like Justice was served. I can say that now. I feel like based off of the evidence and stuff like that, based off of the facts that they presented, it wasn't a Rico charge.
Starting point is 00:31:18 I mean, you got charged with a man act. You know, the man act started with Jack Johnson, the boxer from back in the days. I feel like Justice was served. I feel like we all can identify the type of person he is when it comes to him being in a relationship. But I just feel like some people are into freaky shit and some people are complicit into freaky shit. And it becomes, it's a gray area, it's a gray line when it becomes to wanting to do it and
Starting point is 00:31:41 wanting not to do it this time. And I just feel like based off the evidence, justice was served. I think that even if they were able to prove it in some factual ways, I like that it seems like the intent of the law was taken into account here. And I don't think the intent of the law was to go after a horny individual,
Starting point is 00:32:03 even if he may be an abusive monster, manipulative, all that shit. Like I don't think that that was the purpose of that law or the sex trafficking law was not to fly prostitutes. And even if on paper it may be dead to rights, that ain't what it was. That's not what it was intended for. Yeah. I was actually shocked, to be honest. I just thought that, I'm actually, shouts to the jury for actually being able to follow the definition of the law
Starting point is 00:32:34 because I figured that the video that was shown, the testimony, like they were trying to paint, they basically were trying him for being a piece of shit. Yeah. And we know what we hear about the feds. So I'm thinking, damn, they got him. They got him. Cause they do have him at being a piece of shit.
Starting point is 00:32:57 And you know, you can take somebody's viewpoint of you, the facts really don't matter after that, but they stuck to the facts and the facts justify these charges. So salute. I think I think the opposite of I think everybody has points and I never considered your point with the intent. I think that the intent I think that the intent is different than the factual basis.
Starting point is 00:33:29 So ICE is like they followed the law, they didn't follow the law. If they would have followed the quote unquote letter of the law, he would have got convicted. I think that they did look at the nuance of the situation and look at the intent and that's why he got exonerated for the trafficking charges. I don't think the Rico would have ever stuck. Because I don't think Puff was operating
Starting point is 00:33:49 a criminal enterprise around sex trafficking. Right. You understand what I'm saying? Like the Abercrombie and Fitch niggas, they got them niggas dead to rights. Like yo, you flying people out for the purpose of selling ass to other people. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:02 Commercially. Right. Puff wasn't doing that. You understand what I'm saying? So the Rico thing I don't think would have ever stuck. I think that it was a gray area with regards to the sex trafficking piece. And again, we've read the charges up here several times. We won't have to do that.
Starting point is 00:34:16 But I think that the jury did find a gray area. And I also think the jury took into account the nuance of hip hop or wealthy men or whatever the case may be and how their lifestyles are. You know what I'm saying? And I think that justice was served. His sentencing will determine the extent of the justice, but I think that they got it right.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Because there's no mandatory minimum. Let's get the sentencing separately. Mel, how you feeling? I just think that, you know, for the defense, all they had to do was just hope for reasonable doubt, and there just was a lot. For the jury to be listening to this, and there's a juror who's already making the rounds, you know. The alternate juror or the juror? The alternate juror. I saw alternate juror he was already yeah he's already talking he was basically saying that you know they watched video of the freak-offs and he's his word that he used was it was kind of
Starting point is 00:35:16 tame and all they did was kind of like pet each other or whatever I whatever words he used. Sounds like a molly party to me. Yeah, that's kind of what he made it seem like. And he said prosecution and defense chose different pieces of the freak-off video to present. Yeah. So he's saying in both that we saw, it was pretty tame. Yeah, I mean, like when it comes to court... It looked like consensual.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what he said. Yeah, when it comes to court cases, it's theater. Like, it's theater. Who presents the best set of... You know, who creates the best storyline? And who presents the facts in a way in which the jury is convinced without reasonable doubt. And unfortunately, that wasn't done here. You know, there was just too much gray area with, you know, contradictory testimony. And so there's just so much nuance when it comes to what people understand
Starting point is 00:36:11 about abuse and coercion. There's just not enough understanding to be able to make a decision based around that. There's some people who can look at this and say, these women were victims or these people were victims. And there's some people who can look at this and say these women were victims or these people were victims. And there's other people that don't believe that at all. And then that right there is the gray area
Starting point is 00:36:31 of which we speak. And that right there is where I could see the jury walking in there and saying, there's too much reasonable doubt here to convict on those particular charges. Right, they could look at it. I'm pretty interested to see how this all plays into the celebrity boogie man.
Starting point is 00:36:48 That's the other thing too. Trope, which probably started with the pizza gate and all that shit. Yeah. We now have footage of one of the biggest celebrity boogie men that we've seen, and he was acquitted on it. You know what I mean? I feel like celebrities, I certainly not feeling sorry for them, but I think it's also weird to just automatically assume
Starting point is 00:37:08 Oh, he's rich and famous. He's doing super nefarious shit well the the opposite could actually be said you know because Let's take LA County every time that they that they the celebrity goes on trial for some heinous act Robert Blakely, was that his name? Don't worry about it. O.J. Simpson. Robert Blake? Yeah, because it was Bonnie Lee Bakley.
Starting point is 00:37:33 That was his wife that was murdered. Phil Spector was the first celebrity trial where a guilty verdict was issued in like 40 years. So for the most part, celebrities tend to get off. You know, there's just that wow factor of watching celebrities on, and also buying into who they are. You know, like in the case of like Puff,
Starting point is 00:38:03 he's created like the soundtrack to our lives. And so there's that kind of connection that we feel with them that will, you know, that might sway our decision making, you know? Right. So yeah, that's just, that was just my thoughts on it. And the other thing, this would have set a crazy president. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Like, had he been found guilty of sex trafficking, RICO, And another thing this this would have set a crazy president. Yeah for sure like Had he been found guilty of sex trafficking Rico The entertainment just a wealthy person business would have been The floodgate would open a floodgate even just like slightly Rich people like yeah Yeah, there's a lot of people that engage in something that could be considered sex trafficking if this were to be said as a president that's true you just say job no to parks is boogie man trope question I wanted to say Torrey I saw on YouTube Torrey who has been covering this trial in my words I'll call it kicking puffs's back in for a while now.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Okay. One of Puff's people saw Torrey outside of the courthouse. They filmed it cuz Torrey wanted to film it and he said, yo, I spoke to Puff. He said- No hard feelings. I wish you well, no hard feelings, I understand it was journalism, but I'm not focused on yesterday, we focused on moving forward and progressing, yada, yada, yada.
Starting point is 00:39:26 So they did that. It's on YouTube to see, just to speak to what his state of mind may be currently. Puffs. Yeah, puffs. I'd still get a garage. Yeah, I'd still get a Toure, too. What'd you say? I'd still get a garage if I were him.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Just Uber. You can't do that. Uber. You can't do that. I think Toure would be the way farther down the list. I think in my opinion, I thought of something with regards to the jewelry selection. And I think that when the jewelry was initially announced and the demographic breakdown of the jury I thought that
Starting point is 00:40:08 We thought that wouldn't serve puff well, I think to the contrary it served him well, I think that um The fact that because I think how many of them were white nine of them, right? That may be true. I think it was I think was nine initially nine initially, and then they kick one of the black people off, and then after it was ten. Regardless, it was a majority. Majority way. It was a majority white jury. I think when we first heard the breakdown, we were like, damn, he's fucked, he's screwed.
Starting point is 00:40:39 I think it played the total opposite. I think that we look at certain things because we are, again, connected. A lot of us are from the urban areas. All that shit and how this stuff goes, I think a lot of times those older white people might look at a lot of things black and white. And I'm not talking about racially black and white,
Starting point is 00:41:00 just black and white down the middle. And I think that when you start to see that Cassie reached out to him after she was with the dude, right, I think that played against them. You know what I'm saying? Because now it almost looks like, yo, this is consensual, this is, if she has a new boyfriend, why would she dare reach out to him?
Starting point is 00:41:18 And I think they started to look at that shit and it opened up the gray spectrum even wider. It was already gray, but I think some of those things like that opened it up even even wider. I think a lot of people are also just freaky and like if I had a billion dollars, I'm talking about the control shit right and all of that stuff is like yo dog. If you're being controlled and you got away from
Starting point is 00:41:44 them, then why would you want wanna go back to a freak off? You get what I'm saying? Or again, I go back to it. Yeah, it's clear, I'm sorry, it's clear people didn't see her as a victim. They didn't. They saw her as a- An accomplice.
Starting point is 00:41:58 A participant. An accomplice, a volunteer. A girlfriend, just someone who, you know, and you gotta be careful with again real life and the internet anytime somebody said that on the internet here y'all came with your fucking with your fucking pitch for signs and pitch forks ready to kill somebody and stab somebody I think it's fair to also say that she was a victim obviously of domestic violence. We saw that. I was about to say that. But was not maybe a victim. I was gonna say that.
Starting point is 00:42:25 That's what it was. They were trying to tie that. We see how she was a victim of domestic violence. So all of this is true as well. But the problem with that is when it comes to domestic violence and it comes to staying in long-term relationships where there is a history of domestic violence,
Starting point is 00:42:43 that's where the asterisk of coercion comes in because people who stay in long-term domestic violence, in violent relationships, they have learned to pacify the person that they're with. I don't want to make this person mad. Because they know they're under the constant threat of violence. And so when they understand how to make that person happy
Starting point is 00:43:10 and their happiness means equals their safety, then they're going to continue to do the things that this person wants to do. Exactly, and then this also brings up the whole idea of why do people stay, or primarily women, why do women stay in abusive relationships? There was a lot of stuff that came up, themes that came up in this trial
Starting point is 00:43:36 that people don't have enough information about, or they have very specific opinions about, and that's it. Like- I think that worked against the prosecutors. I feel like a lot of old school people, the older people, they're not into the new phrases and new, you know, they... Agreed. ...is one way.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Well, some of these new phrases just piggyback the blame in a weird way. It's like, there's a lot of new... Absorbing someone of accountability entirely, well, that's not fair. Even what I said, I said, yo, after they broke up, after they left, so while you're there, cool, you might be doing whatever you gotta do, right? Because you are, again, under constant threat of physical harm or emotional harm or financial harm. You got away from this situation,
Starting point is 00:44:25 and now we have you on text saying, yo, let's get together. So I think in that, just in itself, it's hard for somebody to now look at you like a victim. And it wasn't just Cassie with that point, right? Like everybody that they called to the stand to say, hey, he's abusive or I witnessed this or I was around for this,
Starting point is 00:44:49 they fired right back to defense with, did you work for him again? Did you call him again? Did you reach out again? Were you paid by him again? Like, so it wasn't just Cassie, it was everybody that they brought up there to tell the story, there was another story.
Starting point is 00:45:03 So now to the average juror, it comes down to this, if he's this bad, why you keep trying to be around him? You're not a victim, you're a volunteer. That's it, that's it. Why you keep coming back if he's this bad? So now I don't believe that he's this bad. And again, listen, it's that, again, they showed the jury these sex tapes,
Starting point is 00:45:23 like we said, niggas got eyes. Like, yeah. Especially if they saying, you know, we watched it and here ain't that bad. So you told us about freak offs forever. We finally see one, it wasn't that bad. Or we see one where you are voluntarily like, no, smack that thing.
Starting point is 00:45:39 But that's what I'm saying. It's not. It's like, yo, dog, were you really being... Like, I'm not gonna say that people need a better understanding of coercion just because the jury found what they found I think they saw enough to say You're gonna close the way Yeah, one course. Yeah, like that part. I don't think is that deep. I don't know why the feds would try to Seem like they loaded up on charges that they just wasn't able to prove.
Starting point is 00:46:05 Yeah. Yeah, they overshot for sure. And I think that they did that in hopes that he would plea out. Absolutely. Yo, we're gonna stack the deck right here. We're gonna give you 59 charges. We know 47 of them is bullshit,
Starting point is 00:46:17 but we trying to scare your dumb ass into taking seven years. Yeah, but see now I'm mad at how y'all showed up to my home. That's all part of the play. I'm mad at how y'all showed up to my home. That's all part of the play. I'm mad about how y'all treated my children. Bro, we started off saying this is all theater. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Every, no, it was theater, but some of us, me being one of them, thought that, hey, the feds have a 90%, yada yada yada, and if they're showing up this way, It's for a reason. They look like they know what they're looking for. The feds don't come unless they got you. That's the normal. They're being rather aggressive. So I mean, it wasn't just psychological.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Yeah, it wasn't just psychological for Puff. It was psychological for the viewing audience as well. Which is all part of the play. Which is all, because again, everybody says, yo dog, the feds don't come unless they got you dead to rights So that's even from the hood. That's our understanding of how they move That's why a lot of us were sitting in saying they got them Away with some fucking baby oil and that was just the stick the entire time But yeah, like and we kept waiting for them add. And the average person don't have enough money to fight them.
Starting point is 00:47:27 You gotta think about that too, like dog, their percentage rate is high. But most people don't have enough money to really go to war with them. Dog, if I'm public with- They sat them with no bell, that's psychological. Certainly not legit money. Most people facing fed cases may have a lot of money,
Starting point is 00:47:44 but that shit is and oh not just that A lot of that shit. They'll seize your assets. So you can't fight them effectively. Yeah Dog y'all pulled me away from the streets my family my businesses. We're gonna break you psychologically by having you sit in mdc Y'all drained me of my money. I sat there for a year, like I would be livin'. We just saw this with the Thug case, where his lawyer was like, I can beat them. Say lawyer. But we had, no what I'm saying is,
Starting point is 00:48:13 One of them, yeah. What I'm saying is, we saw Thug say, yo I'ma take the plea because at this point, I just wanna go home now. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? They, so they technically they won. Exactly? So they stacked the deck against you. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:48:26 So they stacked the deck against you just to say, yo, take this plea. They knew they ain't having one no we don't. Can he sue somebody? Who are you going to sue? How? I don't fucking know. You got found guilty.
Starting point is 00:48:38 I'm about to say, you wasn't acquitted on everything. You got found guilty. You maybe could sue somebody. I'm not sure who. But it seems like you can, civilly? I think you could- You know what they found me guilty of? Who are you gonna sue civilly?
Starting point is 00:48:49 The feds look stupid saying we got you on prostitution. You know how stupid the feds look? When do the feds come meddling in prostitution case? You know what my issue is though, it's a bigger issue is that- They called that man a sex trafficker, yo. And now I start, see when this happens, I start to believe the other shit that was being said.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Like there was a reason why all of this happened. Now if this is all y'all really had, and y'all stacked the deck to look like all of this, okay, there was a real reason y'all. But there were a bunch of rumors floating around. Like it's a ton of deeper reasoning while they're saying that this took place. Yo, my issue with this whole thing though
Starting point is 00:49:30 is that people making it seem like Puff's victory is a shot at victims. And I really have a problem with that. I don't think that with the victory takes anything away from victims, but some people are complicit in what they do. And I feel like that gray line needs to be explained and explored more. If you have the tapes and seeing the actions and the text messages, not saying somebody
Starting point is 00:49:54 can't be a victim in that time, but they try to loop everyone up, victims up into one big circle and one big pot, and it shouldn't be like that. And I'm gonna keep it a book, some shit niggas don't be wanting to say. If you start talking about organized crime, and him running a ring, she was a part of the criminal enterprise. Oh no, people are saying that.
Starting point is 00:50:18 Like yo fam, if you gonna say, let's say hypothetically you take John Gotti, and somebody's working on behalf of John Gotti. Let's say they fear John Gotti. Cool, Cassie's working under the fear of Puff. When John Gotti goes to jail, Johnny No-Nose goes to jail too. He can't get up there and say, yo dog, I was only doing this because my boss
Starting point is 00:50:39 was making me do these things. Unless he gets immunity for the testimony. So when you start talking about that, people are saying, yo, Cassie was the person booking the guests. Cassie was the person paying the guests. So now Cassie or whomever is now a part of the criminal enterprise that y'all sent in Puff the Jail for. Instructing the guests.
Starting point is 00:51:00 See, because again. Or maybe go there. And then people got up there and testified to such. Yeah. But it's saying that, you know, and there's some people that's going to say that she did that under, like, she was caught. And that's what I just said. I know, but that's where the real conversation needs to be at.
Starting point is 00:51:18 That we can't really have, because now you think about this. Dude said, yo, when he got to the door, she opened up the door naked with some heels on. I can't speak to her mental state of mind when she's doing that, but factually, somebody's looking like, yo, dog, you was with the shits, you was playing, you was with the shits. And I think we can't really, again, in society. Why is it so bad to ever to say that?
Starting point is 00:51:46 I don't, I just, I don't, because now you look like the misogynistic nigger that's not taken. That's why. No, you look like the misogynistic man that's not taken into account this woman's abuse and why she might have had to succumb to that. Yep. Yeah. Which could be accurate, but the could is the part that makes you not go to jail.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Yeah. They can say drugs play a part. They can say. Different views. I have different views as well. They can say drugs play a part. They can say being in love played a part, just wanting to please your partner,
Starting point is 00:52:17 not wanting to get them upset. There's so many nuances when it comes to these things and why a person does that. I feel like if a person has a vivid memory and say I did this and they acknowledge that they did it, I feel like to put a psychological blame on it, it just takes away from the person's accountability. I think there's no way, and now that we rehashed
Starting point is 00:52:38 some of the testimony, I don't see how somebody can say, yo, there was not a reasonable doubt present. Well, you have something to say about it, man? No, you guys had already said it, like the domestic violence angle. I mean, like that is just, it's pervasive, an important part of this whole sordid fucking story. You know?
Starting point is 00:53:03 And then from watching the video, that was not the first time, not even close. And there was a lot of testimony from other people that indicated that they had been witnesses to him beating her. So, that is, it's a major factor in this. We've come to the end, the juries made their decision, but that is a major factor.
Starting point is 00:53:28 You know, when Mark was here, he was just like, we've all known that Puff was a piece of shit for a really long time, and the shit that he should've been, maybe faced criminal charges on over the course of his 30 years in the business, he did not face charges for. He's facing charges for this shit, which to a certain. But even that to an extent is media propaganda.
Starting point is 00:53:50 It's conjecture. It is. It's, how many people really know that Puff was a piece of shit? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I have heard since 1998 that we, whatever you've heard about Puff, that don't just etch in stone that
Starting point is 00:54:05 somebody is a piece of shit for me. Like we need more than that. We can't just keep saying everybody knew and no one did nothing. No, no, everybody didn't know all the way and everybody was not in the place. There's also levels of piece of shit saying that, saying that you have to be thrown into, he should have been thrown in jail years ago, like what, for being an asshole? Like, was he doing illegal things?
Starting point is 00:54:30 Exactly, does being a piece of shit means you go to jail? Well, I mean, well, for example, that video. Take that for example. If that had been made available two weeks after, he definitely would have faced criminal charges for that. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And then every, almost every single artist under Bad Boy, them talking about their experiences working with him and just basically how they ended up broke and he ended up rich and they ended up
Starting point is 00:54:59 destitute. But no, what I'm saying is when we're talking about calling somebody a piece of shit There's various reasons as that various means in which somebody can determine your piece of shit That is what at some point is time to show and prove at some point We can't just take the conjecture to conjecture and make it match right we sit there say pop a piece of shit for the contract shit Y'all sound like you know my stance These contracts you sound it stance. Y'all signed these contracts. Also that's not a jailable thing.
Starting point is 00:55:27 This is all stemming from he should have been in jail years ago, but like that's not jail-worthy. If I legally robbed somebody, I'm a piece of shit for that. For sure. If I took advantage of Mel's situation, Mel sleeping on somebody's couch, right? Mel can sing her ass off. I know Mel can sing her ass off. I know Mel's going to be a star. Mel, you sleeping on somebody's couch, right? Mel can sing her ass off. I know Mel can sing her ass off.
Starting point is 00:55:45 I know Mel's gonna be a star. Mel, you sleeping on somebody's couch. You want this 200 grand or not? Right? Is it predatory? Yes. Was it a piece of shit? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Is it illegal? No. Is it immoral? Maybe. But now Mel goes on to make $10 million. When I found you, you was on somebody's couch. I made a billion, you made five million, but. What I'm referring to in terms of illegality is the video.
Starting point is 00:56:11 And statute of limitations, et cetera, and prior criminal activity that nobody could prove until they saw it. But even the video was a misdemeanor. I was about to say, Mel, even the video, it's a domestic violence charge. Yes, it's horrible. It's horrible.
Starting point is 00:56:28 I saw him kick this 90 pound girl on the ground, my nigga. It's horrible. Any one of us had the sister that was getting kicked on the ground, we might want the nigga's head, yes. But for him to go spend the rest of his life in a cell behind him beating on this girl, I just think. That was gonna be a tough sell. It was gonna be a just think- That was gonna be a tough sell. It was gonna be a tough sell.
Starting point is 00:56:46 That was gonna be a tough sell. And again, I'm not caping for him at all. I'm not caping for him at all. I'm just saying, dog, we can't give a nigga life in jail because we saw, in my opinion, because we saw him- Well, that video and his lawyers in defense acknowledging that he was an abuser played a part into him why he didn't get bailed this last time.
Starting point is 00:57:10 The judge, while I was in there, the judge stated that you guys admitted that he's an abuser. You guys admitted that we have video. And he said, even though the video and you guys admittance won't play a role in my sentencing to him, you guys admittance won't play a role in my sentencing to him, you guys admitted this. So he still can pose a danger to this person or that person. I mean, I read Cassie's paper, she sent a letter to keep him in. I read it and they passed it out to all of us. And you know, I felt that he should have gotten bail, because the defense brought up four different cases
Starting point is 00:57:45 of people that got found guilty of sex trafficking that got bail. But then the judge stated, well, there was no violence involved in that. There was no admittance of domestic abuse involved in that. So this is why he should stay in. I think it's a small price to pay, because I think that they used the fact
Starting point is 00:58:04 that he's a piece of shit and abusive And all that shit to their advantage in the court the defendants exactly because they're like listen He's a piece of shit, but he is not that so I think that you pay the price of staying in jail for another Couple months like fuck it. You know this helped me win because I even think that's bullshit. Why I? Think if you tried to paint him out as a completely innocent human being, he would have had a tougher time in court. Yeah, you'd never do that. You can't do that.
Starting point is 00:58:28 I think you lose. I think you lose if you do that. Yeah. I think with regards to the bail situation, I think, in my theory, isn't mine, I think it'll be tested once we hear the sentencing. True, right?
Starting point is 00:58:44 I think that if this man is on hear the sentencing. True. Right? I think that if this man is on camera doing all these things and we have all these testimonies doing all these things, and now Puff goes home after six months, because they can give him time served. He can come home on probation. I think they will. It's true. Right?
Starting point is 00:58:59 And that's what I think it's leaning toward. I think he's leaning toward getting probation, some monitored stuff, some drug programs and all of that stuff, right? Cool. But if the man sat in jail for six months after we laid out all this state funding, federal funding, and all of this shit for him to only go sit for five or six months, I think that the people look crazy. So I think they gave him an additional four months. They're gonna say, yo, he sat in jail for a year. We're gonna give him time, served. He served a year, go home. I think after five months, him only sitting,
Starting point is 00:59:27 because he got locked up in September. Well, the prosecutor. So seven months. I think that everybody looks nuts. The prosecutor and the judge, they're waiting for the conversation with probation. So once they have a conversation with probation, they're trying to speed up the trial date.
Starting point is 00:59:44 You don't want to explain. The sentencing date. The sentencing date, yes, the sentencing date was October 3rd,, they're trying to speed up the trial date. The original, the sentencing date. Yes, the sentencing date was October 3rd, but they're trying to speed it up to July. So once the prosecutor said, once they have a conversation with probation, and probation comes up with an understanding, we're willing to. Oh, I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:59:58 Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Monday, right? Yeah. Monday. So, we shall see. You goddamn right. I heard Puff was saying, no, I want to speak to the judge. Yeah, I know that one. Monday, right? Yeah. Monday. So we shall see. You got damn right.
Starting point is 01:00:05 I heard Puff was saying, no, I want to speak to the judge. Yeah, I heard that too. I heard it too. Let me talk to him. I agree with everything you said about maybe time served is going to happen. So yeah, you got to sit in there for a year.
Starting point is 01:00:18 A year. So October. What's the max on his charge? 10 years. 10. 27 months in charge. No, the max is 10 years. The max is. For him though, when he's eligible, he's not eligible? 10 years. 10 years. 27 months, each charge. Each. But the max is 10 years.
Starting point is 01:00:26 The max is. But he's eligible, he's not eligible for 10 years. Yeah, the max is 56 months, and then, yeah. And then, yeah. Okay, yeah, because you got a clean record and all. Yeah, that's what I was going to say, like first time offender, all of that type of shit. I think the two charges they said would,
Starting point is 01:00:39 if he was to do max time for both, they would run concurrent, or whatever time for both, because they're kind of the same crime. So. I didn't think he was getting the bail just because you, now we got all this egg on our face. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's true.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Now you made us look, you made us look real stupid. You made us look real dumb. It took a major, uh. We spent a lot of money, caught a lot of witnesses. I read somewhere that usually a case like this, they would have like two prosecutors or three prosecutors. They had six.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Yeah. Like they were all chips. A lot of energy, a lot of manpower on this. There was a white guy in there, cause my mama's crazy, but there was a white guy in there sitting behind us saying, oh yeah, look at this. Can you imagine six white women against this black man?
Starting point is 01:01:23 Look at the Karens. And they were looking at him. He'sns. And people were agreeing with him, but the people that wasn't on puff side were mad at him. Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy in there. You had absolutely nothing now. You done exposed all my private dirty business. Do you think that he has a chance to sue them?
Starting point is 01:01:40 Because I thought the same thing you thought. No, he got lost. Yeah, he still lost. Yes, he lost. But there's a lot of things that came out of that. If we're gonna use a psychological standpoint, right? Hey yo, from what I suffered from, he also had the psychological,
Starting point is 01:01:53 he also could say he suffered from. He lost. He didn't, not really. Sam, if he got found innocent, then he might be open. People look at whatever you endured as a criminal, it's par for the course. Like you use my personal business, you exposed me to the world, not only that, you, you brought, you exposed me to the world and on top of exposing me to the
Starting point is 01:02:17 world, the charges that you tried to charge me with didn't warrant that. You had no proof of what you were trying to charge me with. So you don't think that he can sue over that? Your defense proved that we were wrong in court. Okay. When niggas get 40 charges, again, we might only prove two of them. Got it. Yo, when you go to jail
Starting point is 01:02:36 and you sleep on a hard ass cement floor with no mat, people look at it like, yo dog, you're in jail. You're not at the country club, you in jail. Right. It's supposed to be hard, you're in jail. You're not at the country club, you in jail. Right. It's supposed to be hard, you're in jail. Got it. So most people don't really have sympathy for you. I know niggas that told me they was locked up
Starting point is 01:02:53 and the windows was broke. They had to sleep in their coats. Literally had to sleep in their coats. So sometimes they'll come in like, oh yo, y'all under these conditions, we'll deduct X, Y, Z off your time. My little cousin was locked up during COVID. People was dying during COVID in the jail.
Starting point is 01:03:08 They gave some of them a little bit off to their sentences, but the average citizen looks at it like, yo, fam, you're in jail. We don't have sympathy for you. Got you. You know a question I had about this, when they raided his crib, the one in LA, they listed all the shit they found.
Starting point is 01:03:28 It was assault rifles with defaced serials, named. We never heard of people about that. Well, I read all the weapons found were registered legal weapons. Yeah, I heard that too. Defaced serial? Propaganda. And that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:03:42 That's what I'm saying. Also, maybe early reporting, you know what I mean? They may not have had the full information, the serial might be somewhere else. So you throw this information out to take the public. Throw it out there, make it sound crazy. We found drugs. This has been a lot of theater.
Starting point is 01:03:56 People said that the baby oil had a chemical in it that would, it was like a rape drug in the chemical. Yeah, GHB. Bro, all of those things that we got to sway the public opinion. Like, I, and this, I'm starting to believe that conspiracy. Bro, I'm telling you. I believe, and I think whoever,
Starting point is 01:04:16 What's the conspiracy? The broadcast is too big for us to really get into some of that stuff. But dog, they said a lot of shit. They, one conspiracy was. The liquor thing, right? The IGL owes him $2 billion, and they did this to send him away.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Okay, all of that stuff. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, a lot of this stuff that, once you see how it played out, again, they said, yo, he has a chemical in all of the lube. That was a report. Like, they did testing on all of the lube
Starting point is 01:04:45 and it was a chemical in there. None of that stuff came up in the trial. I think this was all essentially media. I think the state and the feds felt pressure because all the shit became public with the camera and the lawsuit from Cassie, all that shit and they felt pressured to fucking put all their testing.
Starting point is 01:04:59 I was gonna say. I think that's what happened. I was gonna say, that's all our fault. This is an indictment on our society and what we find entertaining. This is all a reflection of the bloodlust that we have for gladiator games. That's what this is. So this is our fault.
Starting point is 01:05:17 So when you find yourself in a situation like Puff where you're facing quote unquote trumped up charges, all of the theater that goes along with these high profile fucking cases, whether it's like somebody accused of serial murder like the Idaho motherfucker or you know Gilgo Beach. We're learning everything as every single fact gets you know gets discovered. True crime is one of the most popular genres. It's probably the most popular genre of entertainment.
Starting point is 01:05:50 No, in every way, shape, and form. Documentaries, movies, everything. And so this is an indictment on what we find entertaining. All of this. We go back to the Colby trial. When Colby got accused of the rape stuff, they said that the prosecution knew he was the Colby trial. When Colby got accused of the rape stuff, they said that the prosecution knew he was never going to trial.
Starting point is 01:06:07 They didn't have enough evidence to take him to trial. They let it extend because they said all of the hotels were booked, all of the restaurants were booked, the cabs, all of that stuff. That little ass town was making so much money that they stretched it as long as they could because they knew they didn't have enough to indict him.
Starting point is 01:06:24 True crime, court TV, it's a multi-billion dollar fucking industry. Again, you got every reporter from all around the world in Colorado in this little ass town reporting on this stuff, so everything is booked and that's just where we are as a society. How do you guys feel about the people that are now, that were hoping that he went to jail and get found guilty,
Starting point is 01:06:45 but are now on the opposite side. I think that speaks to society too. I think that women go through so much shit that us as men sometimes can't identify with, that this was almost like a, well, he gonna suffer for everything that we've endured. Yeah, people are switching sides. You know what I mean now that the big charge the Rico charge Mm-hmm. He got found out guilty not guilty on that
Starting point is 01:07:11 I see some people that were hoping that he go to jail standing on the other side Regular Joe's or so I don't know about so I'm talking about regular Joe's in real time I'm talking when I first went there to the courthouse, what some people were saying, and now that that happened. A lot of people just want to be on the right side of things. So like, if they were standing, yeah, he's going to be, he's going to do this, I think it would have been the other way too. Do you feel that way? When some folks would have, no, he's going to beat it, he's going to beat it. And then if he came out and they found him guilty and everything, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:43 Freeze, do you feel like there's a pressure to follow others? Meaning that to follow what people may, to follow the right side. I don't think there's a pressure, I just think people do it. People just follow the crowd. I mean. What are the next steps for Puff?
Starting point is 01:07:59 I've been wondering that a lot. If I'm him. Lay low. I get back to business. Like we can't deny that he's one of the most assertive, aggressive people we've seen in business. So I think that once he sets his mind to some shit, I don't think you could really deny him.
Starting point is 01:08:21 If I'm him, I just get low, I spend the time with my family. Hopefully he's detoxed, you know what I'm him, I just get low. I spend the time with my family. Hopefully he's detoxed, you know what I'm saying, and drug free and sober and all of those things. And I just think that he'll get, he a money maker, bro. I think he'll just get back to business. I don't think that it's going to be as big of a black eye as people think. I don't see him getting low. I don't think you get low. I got found guilty of the prostitution that a lot of the industry does. That's true.
Starting point is 01:08:55 So a lot of my contemporaries ain't really looking at me as the bad guy right now. No, that's not true. He beat that girl on camera and we all saw it. That is a black eye to your personal brand, your persona, all of those things. Unfortunately. The criminal charge is nothing.
Starting point is 01:09:10 A lot of people don't give a shit about that. I was just going to raise it, unfortunately. A lot of people don't give a shit about that. Unfortunately. Because I think people care less about the criminal charge. We've been seeing a lot of statements being made about it. I think that people care more about the DV video footage than any of this trash.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Than any of the trash. But I'm talking about, anybody pay for some pussy for it. They're going to fuck with, I think people are still going to fuck with Puff. Oh, I think so too. video footage and any of this try talking about a by papers and they're gonna fuck with they won't. I think people are still gonna fuck with puff. Oh, I think so too. Musically. I agree. I think he don't miss a beat and like a lot of them niggas did do that too. That's true too and just didn't get caught. Yeah, that's true. Again, I could, I think he cares less about the
Starting point is 01:09:42 prostitution piece. Aged. Like so. Niggas brag about every day about tricking. That ain't nothing. I think that the welcome home party's gonna have some prostitutes. I think the DV piece is still a black eye to him. I think he feels embarrassed by the DV piece. So I think he'll address it. He'll probably do some repartition,
Starting point is 01:10:05 like reputational reparation. Yeah, he's gonna do some rehab, counseling. Maybe connect himself with a domestic violence organization. You think he's genuine? I don't. I'll tell you why I don't. I'm gonna tell you why I don't.
Starting point is 01:10:23 I remember how he responded when the charges, when she first filed. It's publicist games. He still did it. Publicist games or not? He could have said no, I don't wanna question. We've switched that up here and said his publicist, where was his publicist?
Starting point is 01:10:34 His publicist would never have let him do that. He did that on his own accord. And then I remember once the bit like, now it's oh shit, they know. Okay, I can't behave so I don't, I think you gonna do what he gotta do to be able to get it through. oh shit, they know. Okay, I can't behave so I don't, I think you're gonna do what he gotta do. To be honest, Buff was high, all of, these are reports, like, even.
Starting point is 01:10:52 This is what I said to Tore, because Tore told me the same thing when I was talking to him and he tried to say he's a sociopath, but I said, you don't think that he can change, you don't think that him sitting down, seeing his business go out there, seeing this happen, that he could wanna change and want better for himself. Sociopathy is a personality disorder. That's what he told me.
Starting point is 01:11:07 But I said, I don't necessarily. We got too much of that going on. Psychology. Enough. Enough of y'all, y'all. Wait. Enough now. No, like, how did you, he said that to me.
Starting point is 01:11:16 Like, when the fuck do y'all get enough? Y'all are not, y'all on WebMD going nuts now. Y'all can't just keep diagnosing people with what the fuck you think they got. You don't know these people. We're using really big words. They don't even know what they mean. They know what they mean because they read it up.
Starting point is 01:11:36 But psychol- everybody's a psychologist. I don't think Torrey is credible enough to call Puff a socio nothing nigga. Sit down for a minute. We do it. Go gather yourself. We do it. Ugh.
Starting point is 01:11:52 Sorry y'all. I asked the same question. No we do it. I think if you, I think if you. The narcissist term, the misogynist term, the incel, all we are in a society where these psychological terms niggas went to 101. Because let me ask you.
Starting point is 01:12:06 Deflection. Who's to say that he hasn't done the work? His lawyer said that he did. His lawyer said that he was doing the work before he went in. He was doing some of the work. Going to some of the programs when he knew that when we told him that the feds were coming, he aligned himself with different programs. His lawyer said that.
Starting point is 01:12:24 I'm just saying nobody knows. He might have did it before the feds were coming. He aligned himself with different programs. His lawyer said that. I'm just saying, nobody knows. He might have did it before the feds were coming. In his apology video, he said that he's in therapy and getting some help, doing yada yada yada. And he may have done it even before that. But all we know is that a really, really, really horrible domestic violence video came out that is dated 2016. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:12:46 That's it. I understand what you're saying. That we know. That we were absolutely certain. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Anything else you're here to say, we don't know for sure.
Starting point is 01:13:00 We saw that. I don't stand in that people can't change. That's not my ministry. I agree. That's not my ministry. I agree. And I said that same thing. I said that he can change. That's not where I come from. And I think it's too easy today to write somebody off completely.
Starting point is 01:13:15 To make somebody a villain, even if they're villainess. Well, social media is the pitchfork mob. They don't allow growth on social media. You are who you, at your lowest, that's who you forever are to us. I agree with Joe. I feel like we try to use these big words to sort of, To psychology.
Starting point is 01:13:35 To mask the fact that we are human beings and people go through things and they will do the work to change. It's also a deflection of accountability. I feel like by sitting down, you become sober, you become like, I don't want to be back here. I don't want my business to be back in. I feel like all of that plays a part.
Starting point is 01:13:54 I don't know what sociopath means. So when he said it to me, I was, I didn't, he just said this in my thing, you're sociopath. I don't think that this would change him. He's gonna go out and do the same thing. That's what he told me. And I don't agree. It's basically somebody who knows the difference
Starting point is 01:14:05 between right and wrong and doesn't give a fuck. They lack empathy and, you know. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't. Yeah, they have no conscience like that. So then do you, so except you would only give a fuck about your family, because you can't say you don't give a fuck if you have children that you love. So that sort of contradicts each other.
Starting point is 01:14:19 Well, no, not exactly. It's like knowing the difference between right and wrong and not caring about that, not having empathy for causing somebody pain. That's essentially bare bones explanation. See, I don't even think that normal people should be given the data. If you're not credited,
Starting point is 01:14:41 and because you can't just call somebody something you got to speak to them You got to get information. You can't just keep watching somebody on the internet and say you're a sociopath They call me a sociopath for how I act in a love hip-hop like enough now That's facts. Yeah, you can't we can't just keep doing that. There's all I'm saying. I agree. You're not one. I Mean she they could be right. I don't know. But I mean, a doctor, I done sat in front of a lot of doctors, and nobody ever used that word with me. Because then you know what, you know, I think if you do, you know right from wrong, and we see you sometimes say, yo, that's wrong.
Starting point is 01:15:18 I was wrong. I mean, sometimes in the moment, we are, but then you can realize that that was wrong. So you. And hopefully when he comes home He'll continue to he'll continue to do the work that needs to be done. That's the thing about work. It's never done It's never done. So hopefully he'll continue to do the work Real real proud and happy day for his family. I'm sure his sons are his kids Daughters his mom, and Puff supporters. There are many of them. So real happy day for them. Maybe not the happiest day for
Starting point is 01:15:53 anyone who this case has triggered. Yeah. Right. Because there are abuse victims out there that had to read shit, see shit, hear shit, be brought back to things. And some people feel like the verdict in this is somewhat a reminder of why abuse victims don't come forward, don't try to pursue legal action with their... I think that's unfair, yo. I was talking to my mom about that, man.
Starting point is 01:16:21 She was yelling at, what's the lady's name, his lawyer? The black lady. My mom was arguing with her or yelling at her saying that she doesn't sympathize with victims. And I told my mom, I think that's wrong. I think that to loop up all victims in a situation like that is wrong, and I feel like people that do that are doing a disservice to victims.
Starting point is 01:16:41 I agree. It's a disservice. That lady was doing her job. I don't think that she doesn't sympathize withervice like that lady was doing her job. I don't think that she doesn't sympathize with victims, but she's doing a job and to put that on her is wrong. Number one. Number two, all victims don't share the same story. So we cannot loop up. Oh, I'm a victim and every crime, not the same. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:16:58 And I think the charges in general were a disservice to victims because they weren't charging him with the thing that the whole world looked at. They were charging him with a whole bunch of other shit that was irrelevant to the domestic abuse. They're trying to prey on them. Yeah, exactly, Pox. That's a good point. I just think that the severity, too,
Starting point is 01:17:16 for every crime should not be the same. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I come punch Pox in the face, and then I shoot Joe like yo everybody they're victims but the severity for me punching you and the severity for him shooting Joe they are totally different punishments that should be handed down I just don't think it's just a blank slate for sure and I think that that's a bad justice. It's not just. You know what time it is, right?
Starting point is 01:17:50 Yeah. You don't look too happy about this. It's like, how do you feel? The real conversation still can never really be had. Because I see it in your family. It can never fucking be had. But you can if you want to. Nah, nah.
Starting point is 01:18:03 We can just edit it out. Nah. Keep it main review. Nah. You can't. But you can if you want to. Listen man, now. We can just edit it out. Nah. And keep a main review. Nah. You can't. But I mean, listen. You can't, especially here. I get you, I get it.
Starting point is 01:18:13 I understand what you're saying. You do want to celebrate, men kind of do want to celebrate history not being able to be rewritten on you. Because there's just been a trend recently of that happening and working and being successful at it. Like outside of Hov and Busby, that might have been the only case we heard where, you know, it went a little
Starting point is 01:18:45 different. But no, it threw it up. It's not the first one. There's several. During the whole hashtag me too thing, a lot of men were being taken down and there was a few like Aziz Ansari. And Jeremy Piven was another one where they accusations were leveled at them and they were like, oh hell no, fuck no, and they fought tooth and nail.
Starting point is 01:19:09 Those are two that I can think of. Shit, Chris Brown. Accusations came and he had all of the messages and everything. It's different. And they threw it out. It's different because he had the proof. Yeah, that's what we told you. If he didn't have the proof,
Starting point is 01:19:22 they would have put that boy on the skewers. Jay-Z just shot right back at Busby. It didn't even go to, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, but it was because it was still proof in when the person said that we can't take kind of their story. Because it was like, yo, I did what? Yeah, I don't have to go back. Oh, okay, okay.
Starting point is 01:19:42 But I'm just saying, there are examples, though. Of people who have like. And Jeremy Piven is white. Like, I think your thing is a little bit more. Aziz Ansari is brown. Your shit is geared toward us. You didn't do shit. No, I know.
Starting point is 01:19:57 What did Aziz do? Bad date. Yeah, what did he do? Yeah, he had a bad date. Yeah, but I mean, like, it was being packaged as, I don't even know what the fuck they were trying to call that, but even women were like, uh-uh, uh-uh,
Starting point is 01:20:11 don't even try to align yourself with real victims. Like that shit, even women were like, no. As a matter of fact, the magazine that put that out, I think that was their first and only issue, the story where they interviewed the quote unquote victim because it was just so bad. That's the real conversation here. Do you think America looks at dead gang members as victims?
Starting point is 01:20:37 Probably no, probably not, no. I had a conversation, Abbott Potfam, one of my homegirls, Abbott Pot Fam, she's an attorney. Hey girl. Right, she's an attorney too. So we broken down, she said, to Mel's point, cause she told me that me and Mel had this back and forth early on in the show.
Starting point is 01:20:57 And where I was like, dog, anything that Cassie is doing now, it could, she could stub her toe and niggas are blaming Puff. Right? And so my homegirl just went crazy, yo, y'all don't understand. And I'm like, yo dog, she called him after she got with her new dude.
Starting point is 01:21:12 And she was like Stockholm syndrome and she went through all of these terms. And I said, let me ask you a question. I said, if a young black man goes out, or any man for that matter, that grew up in a fucked up circumstance, goes out and they kill somebody, do you look at like they should go to jail? And she said,
Starting point is 01:21:26 absolutely. I said, so why do you not look at the environment that this kid grew up in and the trauma that this kid faced because now he's growing up in a jungle. So now that survive in a jungle, you become a fucking lion or a wolf. And so now these actions that he learned in this environment now, why do they not exonerate him? And she sat there and was quiet and she was like, I'll get back to you on that one. Like, yo dog, so to your point with the gang shit, we don't look at them like they are a victim of environment or
Starting point is 01:21:56 circumstance or anything else. And I don't want to equate the two, like, because that'd be disrespectful to Cassie. I'm just saying we don't ever look at it with regards to that. Like, these kids are growing up in these environments, and these environments are making them at a young age become this. But here's the crazy part. When it comes to black and brown people, specifically men, it's, look for moments of early criminalized behavior. With white boys, like school shooters and shit, let's look down his life to see where he was harmed
Starting point is 01:22:31 or experienced some trauma. It's really fucked up and so contradictory, but the fact of the matter is that sometimes the education of what you were first disposed to, it plays a major role and factor in the things that you do. We don't take that into account with people, you can't say nothing to Pops. Pops do what he wants, that's why I love him.
Starting point is 01:23:01 Sit right there, boy. You can't say nothing to him. He try to look around at us. We ain't doing it. We ain't running the water. You can't look at us. You can't say nothing to the OG. Eddie has made food for us. Word. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:11 That's hilarious. We good. We good. Oh, man. I'm not saying nothing to them because we still got our graduation Take that college PhD shit down the street Anyway, what was I saying? Oh y'all was talking. Yeah, but I didn't really want to. Because you gotta think about what Mel just said,
Starting point is 01:23:51 but people don't. I didn't understand what Mel just said. Well, no, I was applying it to your example of. I was ordering stromboli. All right, good. When she started. Yeah. Chipotle.
Starting point is 01:24:01 That's true. I was applying it to your example where you asked our gang members who get murdered victims. I was applying it to that example. Gotcha. Favorite part of the show. No smoke. Trying to get a bottle.
Starting point is 01:24:18 I don't want no problems, bro. My brain be going crazy. You know what? I'm good. I'm a sucker. I'm Howard the Coward. Howard the Coward? Howard the Coward? Who the hell is that? Me? Me? Making shit up.
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Starting point is 01:26:40 Okay, so the room thinks Puff is bouncing back without a problem. I do. Welcome to a level. Well received. I don't know about well received. I think he's gonna. His public image is gonna be in turmoil, but I think that he'll be business wise. Like you said, he's a businessman. He's gonna get to it. Yeah, okay, no distractions.
Starting point is 01:27:01 I think I hope he gets low for a minute. Like I think even some of the shit that he did before they came and got him, I think some of that shit hurt him. You know what I mean? Like that braggadocious thing. I even heard people talking about his kids and how they were rejoicing outside. Like a lot of people looked at that in a way. No, fuck that.
Starting point is 01:27:21 I'm rejoicing if my pops be sad. You look crazy. Listen, it depends on the onlooker. A lot of people looked at that shit in the way. Cool, but I just be the Rico. Well, or pops just be the Rico. Where he was facing the rest of his life. Niggas missed their dad.
Starting point is 01:27:34 My dad was facing life. We've been out here pressing niggas. We've been out here stepping the niggas. Yeah, one dad to come home. Sorry. And he did the little spinning dance with his sister who, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. The kids, I mean, they got a right to celebrate.
Starting point is 01:27:51 What happens to all of the rest of the people that took the stand? We already getting some of the male escorts doing interviews. What happens with Cassie? What happens to some of the other people that took the stand? I think we're getting a lot of books. There's gonna be a lot of books.
Starting point is 01:28:08 There's gonna be a lot of books. Books and docs. Books and docs. Books and docs. Sure. I think Cassie will be, I mean, she already got 20. But I think- No, she got more than that
Starting point is 01:28:18 because she sued the hotel for 10. I did hear that too. Yeah. I did hear that. Pays to be a victim. Okay. I think she'll- Take it out, I don't care.
Starting point is 01:28:31 No, I think she'll start going, getting more movie roles and shit like that. Maybe, yeah. Like I think just after the sympathy plea, she's beautiful, fam. So I think she'll definitely start to get some more acting jobs. I don't.
Starting point is 01:28:46 I think the opposite. Again, bro, I think a lot of people fuck with Puff and still do. And I think the silence of a lot of people said that. So I think the people's like, yo, I don't like that. Because again, like the jury, they don't necessarily believe you were full out victim
Starting point is 01:29:05 of all of this, yes. They still do believe she's a victim. Victim, DV victim, yes. DV victim, yes. So it's people like, yo, you went up there, you did this, y'all tried to set them up with those charges. People ain't really, she ain't gonna, she not gonna be in a lot of people's favor.
Starting point is 01:29:22 People feel like she got 30 million now. We'll see. And yeah, and she was made whole. That's how people feel. Like, you gotta pay out. All right, we will see. Indeed. We'll see. Thoughts and prayers to anybody who needs it out there.
Starting point is 01:29:34 For sure. Mm-hmm. It's the 5th of July, niggas at cookouts. I ain't trying to depress anybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to support it. All right, cool. All right, what's fun?
Starting point is 01:29:43 What's fun that they need our assistance with? Malik Beasley. He ran up a tab at the barbershop. He needed a lot of assistance. No, he ran up a tab everywhere. Everywhere he went. The dentist, the barbershop. Malik Beasley, how much at the barbershop?
Starting point is 01:29:59 30 something? 100? 100? $1,000. $1,000, man. What? We'll tell you about haircuts. It's a nice fade. I ain't going to hold1000. $1000 man. What? We'll tell you about haircuts.
Starting point is 01:30:05 Some nice fades, I ain't gonna hold you. Some nice fades. How do they let a bill get that long? Cause they know you rich. At the barber shop. They know you rich. 30 something grand? That's fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:30:16 30 grand, 29 grand some shit. I'm down you son of a bitch. The hairline ain't even sharp like that. I'm a brokey fan, my little $100. sharp like that. I'm a Broke fan, my little hundred dollars. He got me. Leek Beasley is a basketball player, last year played for the Pistons,
Starting point is 01:30:31 and they're getting him out the pain, saying that he was, there's some sports betting shit. Gambling joint. Yeah, gambling, sports betting shit, and just wasn't moving. He fucked it up, he did the Porter package thing. Yeah, allegedly. So it's coming out,
Starting point is 01:30:46 reports are coming out with just how broke he was. They're saying at the end of it, the dentist was garnishing his Pistons check. That I don't understand, I'm confused about. Why? Malik Beasley has made over $60 million in his career. All right, you pay who you wanna pay. Fucked it up too. And you pay who you wanna pay. Could've fucked it up too.
Starting point is 01:31:05 And you pay who you wanna pay. I don't know what his last contract was, so just for conversation sake, let's call it $7 million. If he owes the dentist or whoever that was 30 grand, how is his check being garnished from the NBA? Because what'll happen is the dentist would file a judgment. Like if somebody owes me rent money and they don't pay me, I go downtown, I file a claim, then we go to court.
Starting point is 01:31:32 That's how you handle it. Oh, OK, bitch. I thought you put your hands and feet on it. So they do not play. Hey, girl, whatever the fuck you are going. But, yo, so you go down, you file a judgment. If you win the judgment, then the court will now start to slowly garnish some of your earnings
Starting point is 01:31:50 from wherever you work. But what happens is, let's say you owe somebody 30 grand, the judgment might take $300 a month from them. $400 a month from them. They might, they ain't not gonna say you'll take the whole 30. They'll take the portion. Yeah, they'll take a small portion.
Starting point is 01:32:02 Got it, they take a portion. Yeah. How does somebody get that broke? Making seven million dollars a year, or whatever. Vices. Bad gambling? Vices, but no, lifestyle, because you remember they said you bring home maybe 40 something, 40 something cent per
Starting point is 01:32:19 dollar, 30 something cent per dollar, so we looking at it seven million dollars, he don't really make seven million dollars. And weekly I just threw that number seven million out. I don't know what he makes. Last year or seven, it was seven. Oh shit, look at me. So he don't make seven. He's made 60 million in his career in nine years.
Starting point is 01:32:38 Watch a million athletes run through all their shit. Like how much did Antoine Walker make during his whole fucking career, like a hundred fucking million? Yeah. So again, Uncle Sam takes his shit, then you balling out of control. Bad investment.
Starting point is 01:32:54 You, you, you flew in the mouth. You know what I'm saying? Like yo Doug, all of that shit matters. Yeah, see somebody give you the promise, yo, you give me five right here to start this business up. In two years, I could triple it over here. You shouldn't do that. You should hire professionals.
Starting point is 01:33:14 No, they do be professionals. Yeah, that's true. They crack your head. Niggas got signage, offices, all that shit, and they'll tear your fucking ass up. So I mean, I don't think it's that hard. It would be hard for me, but it ain't hard for him necessarily to run through that shit that will tear your fucking ass up. So, nah, I mean, I don't think it's that hard. It would be hard for me, but it ain't hard for him, necessarily, to run through that shit.
Starting point is 01:33:29 Your lifestyle would be crazy. These things are nuts, yo. No, I think if you were single, you would run through it. If I was single, I'd run through what? Your money. The three million a year? Easy. That's not true. What are you talking about? That's not true. How do you think your life would be different if you were single right now? It'd be a constant state of despair and misery. I hear that. I'm just so elated that I'm having to hear that.
Starting point is 01:33:58 Loneliness, recklessness, no accountability. Bad decision making. Bad decision making. It probably making. Bad decision making. It probably ends in death or in jail. Yeah. Yeah. It just keeps me even keel. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:12 Yeah. You wouldn't be grounded anymore. Yeah, all of that. No electrons. But it wouldn't be no running through money. I'm really good with money. Three million a year. You crazy?
Starting point is 01:34:20 Yeah. We can tell you're good with money. I don't know why it's just balling up his business Yeah, we could tell you good money. I don't know why Isha's balling up his business. I am phenomenal with money. No. Phenomenal is relative. But it's cool.
Starting point is 01:34:35 Yo, dog, niggas be taking care of their whole families. Shit like that, like dog, it's not really hard to do that. Niggas live in big ass houses and drive the nicest cars. I do want to interview his barber. I do want to hear from the barber. I just want to know the rate at least. 37 bands? 37, that's like more than I've spent on barbers my entire life.
Starting point is 01:34:57 Oh, well we got a point. A lot of niggas fly they barber in. Yeah, okay. Like I remember my barber was cutting Ross and Callit and them here, that nigga ain't used to be there, like them niggas, he gotta go. So I had to switch barbers like, dog, them niggas don't be available because when them niggas pay so much that when they tell you to come, pause, you gotta go. So the barber booking this flight and billing you and then you not paying them back? Got it. G-Score, just drop some more. That
Starting point is 01:35:23 bar, I did. You let your barber leave to go cut Ross? While you needed a 1A? Hey man. You let your barber leave, who else your barber was cutting? Who else your barber let you cut? Khaled, Ross. I know he was cutting Khaled and Ross. Your barber left you for Khaled?
Starting point is 01:35:38 Yeah. I'm getting a free flight to Miami. I don't know what this nigga's paying them per v- Yeah, I went mad. nigga, go get that back. What? Nigga, your boss will leave you too, nigga. Like Pharrell called him, that nigga be right in Paris.
Starting point is 01:35:53 Right at the Louis Vuitton with the Louis Vuitton cape on him. Yeah, word. Fuck outta here. And the real Louis Vuitton, like that bullshit that be happening in the book. So when you start talking about flights and shit, it could run up. That's true. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:36:09 That was just like a rhetorical question for me. I don't give a fuck how that nigga got broke. Like I don't really want to investigate. We making jokes here. I don't give two fucks about how Malik Beasley got broke. Holy shit. Some of yours. Old work.
Starting point is 01:36:27 I don't know what you're saying. It's alright dog, not for nothing. But it's not alright on a broadcast. Some of your old work could tap the n*** out. Oh, would tap the n***? Well, shit, if the barber tapped him out, he ain't gonna stand a chance. It ain't tough to tap him out. Well, them Dyckman devils, them Dyckman devils, they need a team. Man, where you going after this?
Starting point is 01:36:46 Speaking of tapping some shit out. Huh? To a little bashment. Hey, OK, Stella. Oh, man. Got your Sandra Dee pumps on. You took off the fishnet sevens? Shut up.
Starting point is 01:37:01 Shut up. The most entwined. Why you did that? I really like my little ballet slippers. I call these the Blanche Devereaux. Or that. Yeah. You remember when Shorty put the, on Grease, she threw the cigarette down at dinner, and she had them shizz off.
Starting point is 01:37:16 A little leathery. A little leathery. It's a little leathery. It's cool. Male cop, all the Stella McCartney. Go ahead. These are actually Jimmy Choo. Hey, stop playing with me.
Starting point is 01:37:24 I'm not playing with you. I'm playing with you Stella McCartney. Go ahead. Killing that shit. These are actually Jimmy Choo. Hey. Stop playing with big man. She's very name-brennish. The Bash man. All right, what else is important? What else is important or unimportant?
Starting point is 01:37:35 I can tell y'all. I can tell that y'all want to go home. That's so, don't worry. Yeah, don't worry. We're going to find some topics. Of course, of course. Nah, we was talking on. Do fish live have a better chance of living in the desert?
Starting point is 01:37:48 Yeah. Salt water. Oh, man. I'd like to hear, I'd like to hear, I'd like to hear first world problems from each of you. Oh, I have a list. What is your biggest, what is your biggest first world problem? I have a
Starting point is 01:38:05 list. Oh let's hear this. I have several. I got a few. I hate when I don't have a phone charger that just pisses me off. I hate when I can't get reservations at my favorite restaurants. Okay. Yeah those are the only two I can come up with right now. Go back around me because I'll come up with like three more. Hey, when the other girl knocks. Hey, when you hear that knocking around through the AM. Fuck, not again.
Starting point is 01:38:42 Yo, when I can't get a parking spot in the front, I be tight. That's some entitlement, privilege. When I can't get a first class seat on a flight, I be kind of tight. Or the first class seat be out of my price range and put me right back in my place. I can't afford all of this shit.
Starting point is 01:39:07 Shit your broke ass down. Or if the only first class seats left are aisles. I fucking hate aisles. I'm not a fan of the aisle either. I ain't gonna lie. I need a window. I'm not a fan of the aisle either. First world problems.
Starting point is 01:39:21 Yeah, I'm not a fan of the aisle either. Even in first class, I'm not a fan of the aislel either. Even in first class, I'm not a fan of the Owl. If I get the Owl, the motherfuckers coming on to play, I better play hopscotch. Because I'm going to be asleep before this engine come on and I'm not moving my feet. So, sorry. If I'm in the Owl, nigga, it's... I'm not in the Owl. Louis Vuitton's are missing some letters. Yo.
Starting point is 01:39:45 This shit's gonna be Lou Buttons. Crazy as hell. Yo, the aisle, and I'm getting up mad times during the flight if I'm in the aisle. I'm taking advantage. Nah, I don't fuck with the aisle. You can't really get your good sleep on. I ain't with that shit. I'm not an aisle. I need a window in any flight. I'm all aisle.
Starting point is 01:40:04 First we're problems. Give me more, give me more, give me more, give me more, give me more. Flip, you got any? I'm listening to y'all, and I'm trying to think of mine, yeah. I mean, when I don't have dinner on time. Um, so sad. I don't want to get too crazy, see? Nuggets still in the air for you? No, not no nuggets. No, not no nuggets, man.
Starting point is 01:40:25 I get, listen, hold on. Soggy for a frog. Hold on, hold on, freeze. No, I'm chilling. Hold on, bro. I'm chilling. Nobody, nobody have used the system and had they mother-in-law cook all the time.
Starting point is 01:40:36 Me, I have my wife, and if it's not on time, I don't care if you got to come from work, man. Like, I went straight to it. You don't care if you traffic, you don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck don't get you traffic, you don't get no that shit. I don't give a fuck about none of that. It is fucked up to think like that. Yo, I'm a fucked up individual when it comes to that, man.
Starting point is 01:40:51 And I lay down and I sit down and I talk to myself a lot. What do you say to yourself? And like, damn, you have to be more nicer. Considerate. Yeah, considerate. Especially being up here with you guys. But there's always, I think the devilish side of me always win. Yeah, I ignore it, I don't care.
Starting point is 01:41:12 But yeah, if I don't get my dinner in time, just having a family being at my crib. Yeah, I just want, yeah, those are my problems. That my dinner time, people coming to my crib too much don't, yeah, I just want, yeah. That was my problem. That was my dinner time. People coming to my crib too much and being there for too long. I don't shop no more, but you might kinda attest to this.
Starting point is 01:41:33 When you go in your stores and your person don't be there, Okay. That shit be aggravating. Yeah, I can see that being aggravating. You know what I'm saying? Like, that be aggravating. How you don't, you don't shop anywhere? I don't really be buying clothes outside.
Starting point is 01:41:48 But I used to be going out shopping a lot. You got specific people that you use. Yeah, you're a shopper. The dude with my, yeah. You buy it online. The guy in Neiman Marcus and shit like that. So you go in Neiman Marcus and your dude ain't there, you like.
Starting point is 01:41:59 You buy it online a lot now. I don't need anymore, no Jell-O. No, I don't shop. Oh, okay. You use a lot now. That's a first world problem it for sure. Yeah some bullshit Other niggas like can I help you? No nigga. No way like no nigga Mine arm like if I'm buying something and I can't get it first day like whatever it is
Starting point is 01:42:20 Whether it be you know me I'm tech nigga. so iPhone, I can't get it the first day, I'm tight, I damn near don't want it no more. Anything that drop, I have to have it the first day. Okay, so you got bots in place and stuff to purchase it? No, I'll be set, I set alarm, get up for the pre-order early, all that, switch, all that shit, I have to have it the day it drop or else I damn near don't want it. My landlord just sent the repair guy to fix some things
Starting point is 01:42:46 around the crib the other day. And I've been asking for this for a while, but I really put my foot down the other day. I really don't like the doorknob he picked in the new light they put in the backyard. Like that shit is. So change it. No.
Starting point is 01:43:00 Like. Change it. How do you tell them like. No you change it. Change it yourself. Go buy a doorknob. No. It cost $20. No. It should how do you tell them, like? No, you change it. Change it yourself. Go buy a door knob, y'all. It costs $20. It should take five minutes.
Starting point is 01:43:09 It take three minutes to change. No. All right. You got it? Yo, even though you down with us, you still be doing white people shit. You still do white. Even though you down with us,
Starting point is 01:43:18 you still be doing white, some white person shit. Nah, some of these landlords be cheap as fuck. They will wait. My landlords aren't though, but they had the dude go shopping at the depot and the dude, he was cheap. He's the home depot. Like, yo my nigga, you don't see all the doorknobs and shit is black? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:33 Nigga will come back with the chrome shit. You can't know it's like a knob. It's not like a handle shit. That's bullshit. Yeah. Toilets. What? Yeah. Oh, you got a lot. Yeah. Toilets. What? You.
Starting point is 01:43:45 Oh, you got a lot. Stupid ass smart toilet. The lid come on too slow now. They gotta be an option. They gotta be an option to make it, make the lid open. I got the gold. They gotta be pissing everywhere.
Starting point is 01:43:57 How the lid come up? You gotta walk in front of it and make it come up. Like it's mature. Know what I'm saying? You gotta walk in front of it before you push your button. You just walk in front of it. Does it automatically go down by itself too? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:09 Oh, that's annoying. You bought a lot of those shit too. You sick. I bought a lot of buy-it-soil too. Cory told you about that shit. That is disgusting. We remember when you started buying them. That is disgusting.
Starting point is 01:44:23 You're older, you can't hold that shit for so long. That's another first world problem. I have four bathrooms, and that's way too many bathrooms to maintain. It takes a lot of work. That's a lot of work, yo. I got so many bathrooms that I refuse to use one when I walk by it, so then I just,
Starting point is 01:44:40 then, you're back in the game. Gotta make it to a different bathroom. You still use pine saw? Then you back in the game Why don't clean but first The first world problem accusing the cleaning lady Martha every time something is missing or out of place My girl be doing she ain't never guilty. I gotta give it to Martha. I be dragging her name through them. That fucking Martha stole my drawers again. She took all the left socks.
Starting point is 01:45:14 Yeah, cause she ain't gonna throw none out. She gonna find a Puerto Rican family somewhere that need needy shit. Puerto Ricans ain't throwing none out. Hey yo, I ain't gonna hold you. I think half of Columbia got that's that ish merch. Yo. Oh shit.
Starting point is 01:45:26 Oh shit. Oh shit. Yo, what the hell? Yo. Oh, wait, we're not gonna do both of that. Yo. What? Hold on.
Starting point is 01:45:35 No, my cleaning lady, yo, I be having boxes of shit. Like, my girls be like, yo, I be like, man, give it to the cleaning lady, dog. Them niggas. You sure it's the cleaning lady, or you not sending it on the other flight? What? I have no idea what this nigga doing.
Starting point is 01:45:50 Okay, I'll let you think about that issue. Yeah, it's cool. I'll let you think about it. You gotta play it all, but you know, you know, you smooth, you got it all lined up. I'm just saying, you might be giving a package to one of your sides, you know what I'm saying? The Colombian joint, that's what I'm talking about, boy.
Starting point is 01:46:03 You can look to the side, you can look to the side, nigga I'm talking about boy. You can look to the side You can look to the side nigga man is insane You can look to the side the cleaning lady that my girl gives boxes of clothes to mm-hmm I don't know what country she from but She'd be sending it to her people's Fuck my whole joke up. I mean to real You just don't be wanting to get down with the jokes. Like you got this like stubborn old nigga syndrome. Like nigga laugh, nigga. Like lie.
Starting point is 01:46:30 Lie with me, boy. If I want to accuse you of having a side piece from Columbia, lie with me for context. No, I would step into it. Yeah, nigga. I don't know what your girl may do. She may fuck you up, but still, lie. We all got to get beat up sometimes.
Starting point is 01:46:42 We all. Okay, I'm with you mark welcome I'm sure you have a laundry list of first world problems No, I mean I was listening y'all Y'all first of all y'all don't those ain't first world problems. Those is rich people problems Like first world problem phrase that rich people problems initially But I said what I made to say rich problem initially it was politically incorrect. We softened the blow a little bit. They made him turn it into. But I said what I meant to say.
Starting point is 01:47:06 He didn't say rich people problems. They wanted to go, ah, you mean. See, that's what I mean even. This is not a world where you could be free to fucking say what you're trying to say. Oh no, you mean first word. No, you bitch ass nigga. I'm saying exactly what I'm trying to say.
Starting point is 01:47:23 I don't need you to PC me. Well, I couldn't join in on the conversation with rich people problems. I don't know. Not wanting to be called rich is a first world problem, for sure. You gave rich people problems. You gave famous people problems.
Starting point is 01:47:38 You definitely gave rich and or splash bougie people problems. You, but yours is a little bit different because like poor people got the same complaint you got, right, around the crib. That's just dude problems. That'sie people problems. You, flip yours is a little bit different cause like poor people got the same complaint you got, right, about around the crib. That's just dude problems, that's like husband problems. You know what I mean? You know, that's patriarchy problems. But, but like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:47:55 Like you used to be in famous, so getting first day shit for you, it's not even about money sometimes, it's just I'm ice. So like. No, I'm going in there to buy it, regular shit. I just be first. I want to be one of the first ones.
Starting point is 01:48:05 Oh, you actually go yourself. You don't make no phone calls. You don't do nothing that shows the tickets. All right, all right. Yeah, that's rich people probably. No, first world. First world is like my internet went out. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:48:15 I can't do online banking. I got to go. Yeah, like when I complain, I never complain to anybody about it because who can complain about it too? But when you go in the subway and you want to do like a one swipe pass again in New York a black card for many years was too thick to fit into the machine.
Starting point is 01:48:36 I'm not even being funny. He's not being funny. He got Apple Pay now so you're good. But before you couldn't do it. A black card in the subway is... But you know in New York everybody take the subway and I lived in Brooklyn so I would in the subway now, so you're good. The subway? Yeah, but before you couldn't do it. I'm black card in the subways. I don't care. But you know in New York, everybody take the subway. And I lived in Brooklyn, so I would take the queue
Starting point is 01:48:49 to CNN in fact. So I would just, you know, three stops or whatever. You ain't gonna say nothing? What? Everybody don't take the subway. I'm letting him cook. Oh, well I'm saying in New York, it's not uncommon to see people.
Starting point is 01:48:59 That is true. Got it, billionaires. Yeah, I don't know, you know, but for me it was like, I lived in Flatbush in DeKalb. Like it would have taken me twice or three times as long to get there in a car as it would be to just jump on the train for three stops. So I would go down and go, your car being there stuck and you looking around like, can anybody help me?
Starting point is 01:49:16 And you don't want to say that because then you look like food. So then you just got to chalk it and I had to go all the way to the ATM, get cash or use my debit card. Oh, exactly. Oh, duh. I'm sorry you went through that. That's one of those problems. That's one of those problems. The internet is a funny shit, too.
Starting point is 01:49:33 Oh, anytime it's even slow. No, yeah, because guess what happens? When you travel a lot, and you go certain places, and them niggas don't have no internet, or that shit be borderline dial-up, when you come back home and you just be, with a hug around her like, oh. Oh.
Starting point is 01:49:48 Yo, that's so real. That's some real shit. That is some real shit. They didn't have GPS in Jerusalem? In East Jerusalem they don't have GPS? No, I'm not serious. There's no GPS. They said that they took down the towers.
Starting point is 01:49:57 You just make a right at the Rooster Bar. Basically, yes. Basically, yes. Basically, yes. Basically, yes. Yeah. They could go to Ahmed's house and make a right. I mean who the fuck is Afbiz? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:50:08 You just be stuck. Yo that is hilarious. Yeah man. That's the first world problem. Oh man the toilet top comes up too slow. I got another question for y'all. Shoot. That I thought about the other day while I was in the car with Cory. What? Just while I was in the car with Corey.
Starting point is 01:50:26 What? Just, while I was in the car with Corey, you just... Corey put me on some type of Corey mission and I didn't call my driver. So I guess we had to drive and he thought that meant me driving. No nigga, you drive. So Corey drive, I ain't been in the car with Corey since we was on tour, really driving around.
Starting point is 01:50:43 It was like refreshing to see that Cory still drives like Cory like with reckless abandon. He don't give a fuck. He drives like a complete nut. He don't care. And that's good to see, it's nostalgic almost. It brings me back to tour and him falling asleep, driving to wherever he was driving to.
Starting point is 01:51:04 But it did beg the question, why do people use the crosswalk with confidence? Because they're basically like, I dare you to fucking hit me, I will sue the shit out of you. But definitely, it's one of the cases. Thank you, man. Especially in New York.
Starting point is 01:51:20 They don't give a fuck of an 18-wheeler coming to New York. They stepping off the sidewalk. Like, they don't give a fuck of an 18 wheeler coming to New York. They stepping off the sidewalk. Like they don't give a fuck. Green, you stop. Yo, as a driver, I'm not even used to this crosswalk thing. I grew up in a sign or a stoplight is going to stop this vehicle. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:51:38 Not some paint. Maybe. Maybe. Not some paint. So they paint and niggas be driving and somebody walk just dead right out there and you slam my brain them niggas got the nerve to get a attitude with you. They act like the car would lose in a collision with them. I think that we could change by him. And I think that we can change that back.
Starting point is 01:52:06 It's just going to take for us to kill one of them. One of them got to die to change the whole view of crosswalks and how they act out there. And it got to be deaf because people want a case. If you just break their leg and arm they up. Yeah, exactly. I'd be hoping somebody hit me with a car in the crosswalk. No, we gotta end them.
Starting point is 01:52:27 We gotta end them. They're too pretentious. Call me a brother. Yep. Yo, this nigga's stupid. Mel, question for you, because you're the only girl here, because you won't let us hire any more girls, because you think we'll hire girls that's going to jump you.
Starting point is 01:52:39 OK. I didn't say that, but OK. Go ahead. What's the question? She also thinks she's protected. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. This nigga is crazy.
Starting point is 01:52:49 No shit. Cory, you're not on this show and you don't have a mic and you have to stop interrupting the broadcast. And again, I said this before this part started, we gotta allow people to be delusional. I'm not just gonna interrupt when niggas is delusional. Mel. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:09 If you were dating, if you were not dating, if you were together in a relationship with Jeff Bezos, would you expect him to be faithful? Yeah, yes I would. Do you think that that is a reasonable expectation? Yes, I do. Why? Because if you didn't want to be...
Starting point is 01:53:36 Are we talking about marriage? Because he just got married. Slow down. You are just together. Not married. You gotta be together. Yeah, slow down. You are just together. Not married. You gotta be together before you get married. Not dating. That's your boyfriend, girl.
Starting point is 01:53:49 That type of shit. If we've had conversations around fidelity and this person has expressed, yes, I am intending to be faithful towards you and then you're not, well then that is more than just a character flaw. You're a fucking liar. No, no. We're not, well then that is more than just a character flaw, you're a fucking liar. No, no, we're not, no conversation. He didn't say, just take what he said. You're with Jeff Bezos, y'all are a couple. It ain't been no what you, do you expect,
Starting point is 01:54:17 do you expect him to be faithful to you as your man? Yes. Okay, now why? And 100% honest. Well, are we all 100 percent honest to our significant others? Yep. Yeah No, you just said yo he would be a liar so which is a character flaw. Mm-hmm. So I'm just saying so you not only expect Him to be I was talking about I. I was literally talking about that. Like if you're asking a direct question, you know,
Starting point is 01:54:48 about something very specific, and that that's the thing that they lie about, that's really fucked up. No, I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree with you, I understand what you expect. I would, yes, expect him to be faithful to me. She is gonna be faithful, yes. I do not think that being extraordinarily wealthy gives you permission to just be
Starting point is 01:55:10 Self-absorbed and selfish is he paying all your bills Um, I get is he paying on my bill? You don't like my answer my answer's the bottom line, you don't like my answer. My answer is yes. That would be my expectation. I agree with Mel. That's my expectation. I think that's a reasonable expectation.
Starting point is 01:55:33 Yes, that's my expectation. I stand with Mel on that. No, take it, take it, take it. Nope. I think, I wanna hear from, I wanna hear from. I'm gonna, I'll hear you. What you said about his life? Go ahead, Mark.
Starting point is 01:55:46 I think it's reasonable to expect a person to be honest with you in a relationship with. I think what might be less reasonable is assuming that he wants to be faithful. So the conversation you have to have with him, if he is that person, is you actually have to force that issue, but also be okay with the answer you don't want yeah You know I get that and he asks the question like there wouldn't be follow-up questions. I'm fucking me
Starting point is 01:56:13 I wouldn't just be like oh you're rich. Okay, whatever comes with it. I don't give a fuck Been there done that got the t-shirt got sweats in it You switch things in it gave it a fucking goodwill been're done that the people I know who who are in those situations. Oh, yo, yes, Salvation Army You gave that Ralph Lauren she's a good will this This nigga got different shit. I was about to say, I don't even know where you at. I don't know the fuck you talking about. What's unfair about this question is the person that we're asking,
Starting point is 01:56:47 not saying anything bad, I'm just saying like, if we know anything about the, it's unfair to ask Mel that question. Why? Because if we, based off of her answer, if we, it's just unfair. Like I think it's unfair.
Starting point is 01:57:04 I don't think it's a reason to ask somebody, do you expect to be able to trust your husband or your wife or whatever, right? I think most people do it one of two ways. They either have the honest conversation or they do don't ask, don't tell, right? Like if I marry a billionaire, I'm just assuming he's fucking somebody else, I'm not gonna ask
Starting point is 01:57:20 and you go through that world. You know, and that's really. And that's kind of what he was saying. Yeah. The expectation of it. Like, do you think he's gonna be faithful or? But see, to me, that's not about, you're right. The word faithful is throwing me off,
Starting point is 01:57:33 because to me, I don't want to equate faithful with non-monogamous, with monogamous. You get what I'm saying? So like, if he says, look, I'm gonna be outside, I'm gonna do what I do, but I'm gonna come home every night. Like Sammy Davis Jr. used to say that. He used to tell my wife, look, I love you, I'm gonna take care of you, but I'm gonna entertain a baby
Starting point is 01:57:50 and I'm never gonna have an empty bed at night, right? She just accepted that. When he was on the road, it was what it was. I gotta be. How could you talk? I mean. Who can make this? But I wouldn't say he was unfaithful.
Starting point is 01:58:11 It's informed consent. Right. Yeah, totally. Or if she say, don't tell me. Like Ray Charles' wife, don't tell me. Just don't bring the role home. Hey yo, Aki. You said this for what?
Starting point is 01:58:24 Informed consent. What is that again? I'm asking seriously. Informed consent is where somebody presents a scenario to you rather than lying to you. They present the scenario of this is my baseline. This is what, in the Sammy David's Jr. I'm never gonna have an empty bed.
Starting point is 01:58:42 And his wife was like, got it, okay cool. And she signed up for that, that's informed consent. Cheating would be, he never has an empty bed, but he doesn't tell her and acts like he's not cheating. Would you leave Jeff Bezos if he cheated? Oh God. And do you have a pre-dub? Cause I don't mean, I don't answer first, no.
Starting point is 01:59:04 I wouldn't. I thought you were answering for her. No, I don't answer first. No. I wouldn't. I thought you were answering for her. No, I'm answering for him. He answering for him. I wouldn't. I'd stay, girl. How about you? You're now whispering on the podcast. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:59:20 Some things we just have. I'm going to keep it a buck. Niggas stay with they broke girlfriends for cheese. The fuck is we talking about, my nigga? I'm gonna keep it a buck niggas stay with they broke girlfriends We talked about my nigga I'm sorry, um all of us have been cheated on and stayed well I can speak to some of us. Okay have been cheated on and stayed male says she'll leave I never stayed but They're not above it. They're not acknowledging her lies. All right, go ahead. You said you you said you would leave The one of the richest people in the world, if they cheated.
Starting point is 01:59:47 Yes. Have you ever stayed with somebody who cheated? Yes. So. In the past. Yeah, you would never do that moving forward. At this stage of my life, Yes.
Starting point is 02:00:00 Being with somebody, what are you fucking cheating for? That's a new question. That's a new question. That's a new question. Like we're fucking, like, I'm sorry. I'm operating from this stage of my life and who I believe I would be entertaining relationships with. If that's what you're doing, I have sorely misjudged you. And you gotta go.
Starting point is 02:00:20 And all them billions. Yeah. Yo, let me get them glasses. No, no, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I wouldn't you're better than me. I'm saying there's a lot of 30 year olds I'll do you know if my wife cheated now, I would I wouldn't I probably wouldn't leave anybody if I chose to be with somebody like I said I wouldn't leave my wife right now. She cheated probably you know, I ain't gonna lie to you
Starting point is 02:00:42 I wouldn't you know, I mean, I hope she wouldn't, just like I wouldn't, but we need it was cheap, but she might leave. I wouldn't leave. If she were Oprah, I wouldn't even consider, I wouldn't even pretend to leave. I wouldn't even slam a door. How do I know it's Oprah? How do I even know you cheated?
Starting point is 02:00:58 How about that? You know what I'm saying? Why? Y'all lying, you're a brain cheat. Lifestyle. I'm half kidding. Lifestyle. I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm content.
Starting point is 02:01:06 We had this conversation a little while back, and you said at this point you wouldn't leave. But I guess things have changed in the last couple months. People grow every day-ish. True, nonsense. Something changed every last couple months. I was about to ask you, what would really be your reason for cheating?
Starting point is 02:01:22 I mean, for leaving. So if you were happy in these other areas and nigger just got some side bucks, you would just be like, yo, you violated our trust, so I'm out. That's her line. Everybody got they line, yeah. I'm asking Melissa.
Starting point is 02:01:34 Well, I'm answering for her. And I know what you're talking about. I did say that. I did say that cheating wouldn't be a deal breaker. At this age, you say? Yeah, at this age. She just be potted, bro. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:01:47 She'd just be potted. Nigga, we catching lies every day. I try to leave her alone, but she'd just be potted, nigga. I wouldn't necessarily say that it's a fucking lie, dog. I don't think she's lying. Hold on. Sometimes you just feel different. I wouldn't, yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say that it's a lie.
Starting point is 02:02:01 I would literally. What does that come with? Age? Sometimes just, I mean, for sure. I'm asking you. Sometimes age is just a subject on the podcast. Sometimes it it's a lie. I would literally. What does that come with, age? Sometimes, I mean, I'm asking you. Sometimes, if you just step in the park, hold on, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, man.
Starting point is 02:02:10 I'm sorry, Mark, I want to ask you a question. If I come here and say, yo, if my wife cheat on me, I'm not leaving, right? A month passed, and I come on the same broadcast with the same people and say, if my wife cheat on me, I'm now leaving. Do you attribute that, what do you attribute that to? Like something might have transpired.
Starting point is 02:02:29 You changed your mind. Sometimes you feel different. Or sometimes you're conflicted. Like when I pointed out contradictions for you, you'll be like, that's just how I feel. Or I know I said that, I said this. I mean, the only contradiction is for me to be facetious, but it was not, it didn't even make it.
Starting point is 02:02:41 Yeah, now I understand what you're saying. I'm sorry, man. And the distinction here is marriage. I said that about marriage. He's talking about, am I in a relationship with this person? Got you, man. The distinction is because I asked, are we married? You started with that.
Starting point is 02:02:56 You did say that, man. I kept asking, are we married? So if I've gone down the aisle, we've created a life, and now this person's cheated, and what we're 10 years in, yeah, more likely than not I'm going to take some serious consideration again like I'm not gonna be like yeah, absolutely I'm fucking out the door. No, I would not be that easily You know so you're not pressed to put any cheating clauses in a prenup
Starting point is 02:03:19 Or any compensation packages no, I don't want no preda. It's about love. It's about love Well, I guess we should start there because I don't know if you want a prenup. And we're not interviewing you. I'll be done with my line of questioning. When it comes to people of high net worth, there's always going to be a prenup. Woman or man. What if they put it on you? Do you want a prenup, yes or no? Yes. You want one? Yes. Okay. Yes. I do. Nice. So if you marry Jeff Bezos, you want a prenup? There's going to be a prenup. No, but the. Nice. So if you marry Jeff Bezos, you want a prenup? There's going to be a prenup. No, but the question was, if it were put on you,
Starting point is 02:03:49 if you were the decider of said prenup between you and Jeff Bezos. That word soup shit don't always work, girl. Who would you say? Sometimes you're faced with a direct question. Stop, I know. All right, Mel, let's do it differently. That shit like Campbell's.
Starting point is 02:04:04 I'm Jeff Bezos. That shit like Campbell like Campbell's. I'm Jeff Bezos. That shit like Campbell's, girl. I'm Jeff Bezos. Mel, do you want to prenup before we get married? It's up to you. What are you thinking, Cap? Where are you looking at? Leave her alone.
Starting point is 02:04:13 What's in here? I guess I just, because you're presenting the most ludicrous scenario that you want me to answer, and that's fucking weird to me. You know what I'm saying? In no world, new universe, it's Jeff Bezos. Let's say it's not Jeff Bezos. Let's say it's Jeff Martinez, who's worth $10 million. And he said, again, Melissa, do you want the prenup?
Starting point is 02:04:45 A prenup you are. He said again, Melissa, do you want the pre-nup? A pre-nup you add? Yeah. That's her answer. Leave it alone. That's it, I'm done. There we go, I'm done. Oprah says big ish, you want a pre-nup? No.
Starting point is 02:05:03 I mean not really, but it's up to you, girl. Fuck with you. I don't think you need no pre-nup? No, I mean not really but it's up to you girl But if you ask it me I don't think we need that ain't even necessary because that Because of Bezos is a pre note they spoke about in the news last week Mm-hmm. They said it's ironclad, hundreds of pages, all the best lawyers in the world drafted this up. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it might, you get it. If I cheat, you get a fucking happy meal.
Starting point is 02:05:38 You get some bullshit. Let me add another layer though. She's getting a lot. Let's assume pre-nups are, everybody gonna do a pre-nup, because I think Mel's right, nobody want any money, that kind of money. What if they say, I want you to do an NDA?
Starting point is 02:05:51 Do you do the NDA? What are the terms of the NDA though? You can never write a tell-all book after the judge. You can never talk about our relationship, you can never talk about me, our relationship. If we separate, you can't say anything about me or this relationship. Compensation package attached to that?
Starting point is 02:06:04 Because that's the end run, then we have to use the that? That's the end run, I'm using a mask, because that's the end run off and around the prenup. I signed a prenup, but I'm not signing an NDA. So when I get out, I'm going to write this book. And make $40 million from it anyway. I'm going to say, is there a compensation package attached to that? Because, all right.
Starting point is 02:06:19 He a rat? It's my cousin, I ain't going to say which cousin, but he was dating a rat. Is that Philly? He's not from Philly. Oddly enough, he's from Jersey. You probably know him, matter of fact. I don't know no rats, go ahead. He was dating this very well known singer, and she moved him out, flew him out to LA,
Starting point is 02:06:42 he quit his job, he did all his shit, and then after like two months, she was done with this nigga. And she put him out. And it was her crib, her house, her car, all this shit. And he was looking like a bum. But he was like, I need some money. She was like, fuck off. And he was like, say less. I'm about to write.
Starting point is 02:07:00 He went and got an agent the next day. He was about to write a book. And then she broke him off so that he wouldn't write a book. And so the NDA was the way to get around that, and I'm seeing a lot more people do that now. And this was due, you know, I don't know, if I married somebody, same way I couldn't imagine doing a prenup for me and my situation,
Starting point is 02:07:17 I couldn't imagine asking my significant other to do an NDA, but if you're a public figure, it's something you gotta think about. You're a public figure, you're super famous. Would you do an NDA? Would you ask for an NDA, but if you're a public figure, it's something you gotta think about. You're a public figure, you're super famous. Would you do an NDA? Would you ask for an NDA from your partner? Would I ask for it in marriage? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:07:32 Let her go write a little book, man. Go ahead. Shit. All right, get your little book off, girl. If I'm doing a freedom, I'm doing an NDA. Okay. If I'm doing a freedom, I'm doing an NDA. Some people don't even think about that.
Starting point is 02:07:43 Yeah, this is a first for me. Because I never heard even think about that. Yeah, this is the first for me Cuz I never heard that people do that. Yeah, man. You ain't thought about none of the shit come with marriage yet I've never thought of an NDA. I'm they never know. You're always trying to make shit be funny and I'm being for real fucking hilarious That's funny. You can pretend it's not but it is yeah Nigga, I didn't know people have in the age for they matches I didn't know that do you know the guys with tuxes and the girl You're not doing nothing to me? Wait till you see it. Talk about it. I don't like that. This fucker will be married already.
Starting point is 02:08:34 Exactly. That is entirely possible. He does this blink shit. Yo, man. Blink one of these two. This thing is, fuck y'all. I don man. Blink one of these two. Just thinking, fuck y'all. I don't give a fuck about y'all. I don't even, yeah, I ain't even listen to that shit.
Starting point is 02:08:50 We just don't give a fuck about us. Freeze, you do an NDA? For the marriage? Yeah. No. But what'd you do pre-nup? If you were, like, super, super, super famous and up there. It makes sense.
Starting point is 02:09:04 Things would change if I'm up there. I ain't up there, so he asking me out. When you get married, are you gonna dye your beard? No. I'm being serious. Or shave it. No. She don't want me to dye, I'm shaving my beard.
Starting point is 02:09:15 Freeze is a lover man. Like he, you have everything. That's his intro to love. Mine is yours, you got, he's a lover. He don't give a fuck about none of that shit. He don't want you to go nigga He watches every move. He got the air tax on your car. He don't want you to do nothing nigga. Have all my shit. Freeze don't share a charger man
Starting point is 02:09:42 Freeze that that cop that confidence that you have of being a lover, like being out there, does that make you feel the way? Like, you know, because your niggas gonna laugh. Tell me your niggas gonna laugh at you. I don't care. I don't care what people think. You're still gonna do different, right? I don't look at anything differently.
Starting point is 02:09:54 I don't care. Niggas gonna laugh. So I got you. You just feel like you just, I just love what I love. I'm just me. I give my all, man. I like that. Just me.
Starting point is 02:10:02 I like that. That shit don't bother me. All right, cool, man. I'm just nuts. I ain't got nothing else for your heart. You like that. I like that. That shit don't bother me. All right, cool man. I'm just not saying, I ain't got nothing else for your heart. You a lover too, my nigga? I wear my heart on my sleeve. I thought I said that last one. You said that, but you don't.
Starting point is 02:10:13 Your shit come with, your heart on your sleeve is a little bit different. Just your sleeve. Just your sleeve. All over, anywhere it can be attached. I wear my heart everywhere. You know not to make me the best manager shit your wife will cry nigga. That speech gonna be one of them?
Starting point is 02:10:28 I'm gonna set a record. I'm spilling it. You don't have nothing to spill. Your glasses mad empty. I'm spilling it. You ain't gonna have nothing to spill. I remember who I first met is boy of the times. People don't like you but they do.
Starting point is 02:10:44 Once I hit that boy of the, you should go to the bathroom. Start calling years out. I think it was oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Niggas start looking at you. No, I'm not. It's just that pressure though, like when we talk about marriage
Starting point is 02:10:59 and talk about things with your girl, cause she watches the pod. Do y'all have those conversations? Like say if we come up here and we talk about your issue, when you get married and shit like that, does that add any pressure? Does she talk to you about it? Is he already married?
Starting point is 02:11:11 And then I know for real. That's interesting. Nah, somebody might make a comment or something, she'd be like, what? What they was talking about with such and such? I explained it, that'd be it, but no. Shit that's easy to understand, no. That's one of the things where if it were an actual issue
Starting point is 02:11:29 in your life, it may double down, but if it's not an issue that you're dealing with, then it doesn't. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying, like if every day you were getting pressured to get married and then people would show like, why you not married?
Starting point is 02:11:38 Then that could be different. It's possible. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. But some people get influenced by comments and reading and watching. That's true. If one of that's what I'm saying. But some people get influenced by comments and reading and watching. That's true. If one of my wife friends, she hear me say something on the podcast
Starting point is 02:11:48 and it gets to her ears, even if I didn't have an issue with it, she's gonna ask me about it. Yeah. Discuss this with me now, me, I'm like, no. Just tell her refer to the tag. That's performance. Refer to the tag.
Starting point is 02:11:59 That shit don't work all the time. That don't work all the time. That performance, getting that shit off, it's crazy. I'm impressed. Yeah. That wouldn't work in my house. No, it don't work all the time. It don't work. It don't work all the time. That performance, getting that shit off, it's crazy. I'm impressed. That wouldn't work in my house. No, it don't work all the time. It don't work. To the unmarried ones, who's the person
Starting point is 02:12:13 that if they stood up to give a speech at your wedding, you'd be like, oh shit. I know everybody got one. Like if that person stand up and it's like, just think about to do some bullshit. Like that person stand up and it's like, just think about to do some bullshit. Mm. I shouldn't have no exes at my wedding.
Starting point is 02:12:30 So, be safe on that front. You know, you just get a little nervous, that's all. It's a little, what this nigga gonna say? Yeah, it's a lot of people. Well, I thought about having the first best manless wedding anyway so hey oh you niggas reaching for a mic my baby mom last week text me said yo she texted me some shit about our son that we love. And then was like, yo, and send that money for swimming
Starting point is 02:13:09 or therapy or whatever the fuck she said, I don't know. Dubbed that shit. Said swimming or therapy. That's how she talked to you? The next day, she hit me about whatever we was talking about, loving our kid. I hit her back, we had that talk. Soon as it ended. She was talking about something.
Starting point is 02:13:27 And I said something about that money. She was talking, I, I, I. A-H-T, A-H-T. I laughed for so long. I, I, I. And don't you forget that money now. Send that. Yeah, it'll be no best man.
Starting point is 02:13:46 You niggas can sit down, right at table eight. Hey, all you jokesters, I put you all at the same little table. Go crack it up. Got some more derbs coming, huh? How many groomsmen you gonna have? Groomsmen? Yeah. You either gotta have a very small number for you, I think, or a very big number.
Starting point is 02:14:08 No, it ain't gonna be a lot of people. It ain't gonna be a lot. Otherwise you gotta make cuts. You know what I mean? There's a homey who thinks he's in the top four. Well, that's why I don't even want, yeah, I'm not a groomsman, oh brother. I've been to something called a gentleman's wedding.
Starting point is 02:14:27 Tell me more. I thought that you'd been to something called a gentleman's wedding. Tell me more. I thought that you'd been to something called. You know what? Go ahead. What is that? It was where there was 14 groomsmen and she had a matron of honor and that was it. That's interesting. I think she fucking made it up. My frat brother, my line brother, he had about, he definitely had double digit groomsmen.
Starting point is 02:14:51 But his wife, I guess she had maybe three or four, now that you mention it. But I thought that I didn't really think about it anymore. Again, it was hard to make the cut. Like if you cut it down to one, you'd be like, I'm taking my brother, or I'm taking my best friend. When you get to four or five, it's like my space,
Starting point is 02:15:03 you get that top eight, people start feeling the way. You can accept not being in the top four, but if you make a top eight, top 10, you start feeling like I ain't one of your 10. Right, like damn. That's where it get tough. Yeah, I don't know if I want to see a whole bunch of niggas on my side at the wedding.
Starting point is 02:15:20 I was deep. I had 10 or 12, I forget, It was a lot hard. Make sure she yeah yeah you had a lot of love. Yeah, huh? You heard people like your I told you I didn't ask you to wait. I didn't say a word. I want to ask you. I want to make it awkward. Why wasn't he one? Because there's shit that activities and things you have to do as a groomsman that I thought there would be. He wasn't going to want to do that.
Starting point is 02:15:52 I'm just saying that it looked beautiful from where I was seated. Nose bleeds? Got it. I had a fucked up spot at Park's wedding because I was in the back trying to be low, but Prem and Showbiz and them niggas was in the back. Prem kept asking me to come take pictures
Starting point is 02:16:09 of him and the old school niggas. Yeah, you young nigga. And I don't know how to say no to Prem yet, so I just kept running over there, all right. Then the old niggas want to check the pictures, take it again, it's like, then they missed the wedding. Damn, nigga. That's bad. You getting the first midst of a wedding. Damn, man.
Starting point is 02:16:25 You little nigga. You getting the first invite to my wedding. Am I? Yeah. Thank you. You and Daisy. Plus ones? Huh?
Starting point is 02:16:35 Are you doing plus ones? For sure, yeah. Definitely. That's where all the fun happens. The plus one? That's where the chaos, do the little chaos in the mix. Plus one. I'd be mad when we're doing the part,
Starting point is 02:16:53 and I look over to the kitchen and see somebody plus one. You know what I mean. I can imagine my face at a wedding. Plus one is tough. Yeah. What else do we want to talk about? I want to congratulate West West Side Gun on his collaboration with Soconi them Soconi shits with the crab on the side red red joints look absolutely fire. I even see them
Starting point is 02:17:15 Congratulations Big move. He just continues to break barriers. He's got a fucking wrestling company He's got all types of shit. So shout out to West Side Gun, that sneaker does look hard. It does look hard. What else? What else needs our attention in music? Music, anything in music?
Starting point is 02:17:33 I know we've just been sitting there shooting the shit. Last night was an underwhelming, underwhelming release night. Yeah it was, it wasn't really too bad. So ASAP Rocky put a single out. Interesting choice for a first single. Very like down tempo. ASAP Rocky gonna hit my out. Interesting choice for a first single. Very like down tempo. Yeah. I was, I was.
Starting point is 02:17:47 ASAP Rocky gonna hit my mouth. It's not bad but. If Rihanna ain't as cool as she was before him, what she, wait till I hear Rihanna's song. That's not on a soundtrack. You not gonna hear that. I don't think I am either. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:17:59 I don't think I am. I'm taking the budget. All right, I'll do the, give y'all a little record over there. That's it. Rihanna ain't dropping. I didn't listen to ASAP Rocky's song. I didn right, I'll do the, give y'all a little record over there. That's it. I didn't see much that drop. Yeah, Jid dropped a four pack, lot of rapping. Lot of rapping, it's cool.
Starting point is 02:18:16 Lot of rapping. Him and Eminem got a song on there, it's just like 100 plus BPM. A lot of rapping. Lot of rapping. Did y'all shout out LL Cool J for his public stance? Not at all. Wow.
Starting point is 02:18:33 The Welcome to America festivals in Philly, LL Cool J publicly said he's not showing up to the concert, he's not performing because the workers are on strike and he's not going to cross the picket line. So just salute to LL for standing in solidarity with the workers, that's all. Try that. Go LL. That's actually, that's dope.
Starting point is 02:18:48 It's super dope. Yeah. Oh yeah. Try that out. Well when you up, you can take them stances. You say? So when you up, you can take them stances. I'm about to say it's a little bit easier than you.
Starting point is 02:18:58 Easy. Yeah. Yeah. Probably didn't want to go anyway. Yeah. He had a busy summer planned anyway. It's not too big of a deal. Hey yo, real quick, Debbie's speaking about,
Starting point is 02:19:07 I went to rock the Belles the other day, right? And my first time seeing a lot of these niggas perform on stage, but M.O.P.? The crowd went crazy for M.O.P., yo. They kinda fucked me up. I know, listen, they're big in rap. They went, no, because I never saw them perform. They got like classics. No, I'm just saying the crowd.
Starting point is 02:19:27 You started in New York. You're a pretentious, right? Yeah, I started a pretentious. Where are you from? No, listen what I'm saying. When I met them niggas, yo, I went viral with J-Hawk because of their record. And they said, we just saw that.
Starting point is 02:19:39 But I had to let them know, like, yo, y'all fire. For real. I'm sorry. Can we put for the rest of the day? I mean, I'd love that you're supporting MLP. I'm just shocked that you're shocked that MLP is amazing. No, I just didn't. Yo, wait till you hear about Run DMC, yo.
Starting point is 02:19:53 No, no, no, no, no. You want to be funny. There's this group called Mob Deep, yo. No, listen. I'm talking about when you, because there's a lot of other performances that happen that nobody really got up for. That's what I mean. The whole crowd got up.
Starting point is 02:20:06 People perform, I don't want to say it, but people perform when niggas just sitting there. When M.O.P performed, I was just impressed. Like, oh shit, the whole crowd got up. Niggas up in the seat, walking down. Yeah, I was impressed by it. They're amazing. I keep talking about the Caribbeans
Starting point is 02:20:19 that are making their bones in the culture, but don't really know about the culture. Like, I keep saying that. But it just keeps getting overlooked. When you last got choked by Choke. You don't know about shit. Yo, but you understand what I'm saying. You are culturally inappropriate, huh?
Starting point is 02:20:35 I don't know about MOP before. I'm gonna keep it real. Andy up and all that shit, I didn't know about them before that, to be honest. So I'm out of line, wasn't in touch, really. But we have to go back to a world, no disrespect to you, we have to go back to a world where those people that didn't know just shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 02:20:54 If I'm dead. Like now they could say, yo, you know what? All right, get up. Yo, get up nigga. MOP. They're good. Yo, you know EPMD, not the worst. Not the worst music I've heard.
Starting point is 02:21:07 There's a lot of people I grew up on when they perform. The crowd at the Prudential Center did not. Respond. Were not as excited for you. When MOP performed. People lost it. Oh shit, J.R., look, I recorded. I'm like, the nigga's coming down the stairs.
Starting point is 02:21:22 I said, these niggas is lit. I'm right. So. Stop watching fucking mouth. I know MOP when they got signed to Rockefeller and when G Unit, I listen, that's the time I was listening. Fem, what up? Billy, what up? Word. Tev.
Starting point is 02:21:37 You don't have to teach niggas. You have to make fun of niggas, nigga. And if I feel a way after this shit come out, nigga, I'm throwing subs at you on Twitter. Rest in peace, Fox. Swear to God I'm doing Spaces about you, nigga. Your subs don't mean nothing if you don't know MOP. Like subs hurt to me when niggas knew MOP, the mob.
Starting point is 02:21:53 I know MOP. Gangster. If you don't know those people, then. My shit don't mean nothing. You know them people. You know Gangster, right? I do. OK, cool.
Starting point is 02:22:01 Yeah. I do. What? No, you don't. No, you don't. Can you cool. Yeah. Huh? I do. What? No, you don't. No, you don't. Can you name two Gang Starr songs? No. Can you name one?
Starting point is 02:22:14 No. OK. They did it. No, hold on. They came back. But you just heard the word Gang and Starr in a sentence before. No, no, no. You being funny again, Mark?
Starting point is 02:22:21 No. I'm writing. I got you. But you can name two John Cena songs. Quick. Quick. Yeah, these singers are fucking. It's happening now.
Starting point is 02:22:31 No, no, no. Oh my god. You no more John Cena than Gangster. That's crazy. Didn't Gangster come out again? They had a record that I forgot. No, that's Miles and Southstar. My fault.
Starting point is 02:22:42 What? Yo, all right, man. That's disrespectful. Yo,, my fault. What? Yo, all right man. That's disrespectful. Yo Joe, please. Can we unplug his mic? That was crazy. Hold on. That was wild, bro.
Starting point is 02:22:52 Somebody passed away from gangs. No, check on your heart. Yes. Yeah, you can research on Flip the Network time. See, watch your fucking mouth. Come back with your findings. All right, we would love to hear from you. Why would you make fun of your man if I say that?
Starting point is 02:23:04 If I was impressed that MOP got the crowd to jump up. I'm shocked that you, me and you and I became friends. What did y'all talk about? Like, God damn. That's crazy. All right, that's all right. Fuck you niggas, man. That niggas is mean. Yeah, you know you gotta close out with some MOP.
Starting point is 02:23:23 For this guy, bro. I'm not gonnaiggas man. I think this is mean. Yeah, you know you gotta close out with some MOP For this guy bro help him out. Yes a little bit. I feel away. I feel away you should it's okay We got about eight more hours before close. I don't worry about it Just said before we do though. You gotta you gotta you gotta get him right. Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna say I know this No gangster is now. I fall, I don't. Hey, hey. Every day.
Starting point is 02:23:48 I got it. Slip my mind. Of course I do. Why you say that, Paul? Why you set me up like that? I didn't set you up. You want Ian to be upset at me? Please.
Starting point is 02:23:58 I ain't gonna lie, my boy, my boy Mark has made a lot of money since this ditty verdict has gotten announced I was going to talk to you because I know we had a discussion without you to see if you had anything you wanted to Say but since the verdict has been announced Mark has been on an absolute live stream tear Because I support Mark Lamont, I clicked in one of them ships. I Wasn't in there for more than three seconds
Starting point is 02:24:28 before I seen some nigga named Doug send up $24.99. Mark told me, thanks so much brother. You have no idea how much he got. Thank you brother. And as he was thanking Doug, another little ching ching, pa pa, $5.99. Thank you so much, sister Lamont, me and her worked together at the ministry,
Starting point is 02:24:48 some of the youth houses we went around to speak to. Then it was another ching ching, I was like, yo, this motherfucker is just sitting here, breaking in the door. You have no idea how much this Sicily means to me. Yeah, with that humble, fake gratitude. What's your spiel? I don't have a spiel, man, I'm just grateful
Starting point is 02:25:04 to the people, man. No, you have a spiel. It's independent blackiel? I don't have a spiel, man. I'm just grateful to the people, man. No, you have a spiel. It's independent black media, man. There's a lot of people in here, too. 11,000, 12,000. You count? Yeah, I have to. Oh.
Starting point is 02:25:12 I have to. I am. I am. I ain't mad at anyone. I don't look at the numbers. It's not about the numbers. You don't know who they are. I'm like, is this just doing your job?
Starting point is 02:25:22 It's about the message. You're giving a message to the people. Do you want to speak about the justice that was served? You know, I've had more time in the last 48 hours to look at the details of the case and to think about it more. And I'm just as conflicted as I was before, but in a different way.
Starting point is 02:25:37 I believe that he met the legal standard guilty for all of them. I still do. And the more I look, the more I feel that way. But I also hate the Rico thing, right? I got said weeks ago, like that's an overreach is used to get the wrong people, it was meant for the mafia, it wasn't meant for this. Ultimately, do I think he's guilty of prostitution?
Starting point is 02:26:00 Crime, of course. I mean, I think that was easy. We all said that was like the layup. That was the easy one. But now he's looking at potentially 20 years for that. As an abolitionist, I don't even think prostitution should be illegal. So I damn sure don't think somebody
Starting point is 02:26:14 should be getting 20 years. As a Virgo, I don't think it should be illegal. As a horny person, as a man. I don't think it should be illegal. That guy's a man. So I'm in this place where, and this is why I don't like the prison as the measure of accountability. That's why I don't, this is why I'm largely against prisons.
Starting point is 02:26:30 Cause Diddy needs a lot of accountability. He needs to do a lot of repair. He's hurt a lot of people. He's harmed a lot of people. But putting him in prison for 20 years for prostitution potentially is max. To me doesn't even address the people he harmed. So I'm in this place where I, if they gave him time served or a year in a day he basically came home that wouldn't feel like justice to people and I get that because
Starting point is 02:26:54 I get that why I wouldn't but him sitting in a cage for 20 years also doesn't look like justice to me. So to me this is one of the situations where I just don't know what justice looks like. I don't know what winning looks like and part of the problem is because the don't know what justice looks like. I don't know what winning looks like. And part of the problem is because the state did what the state does, which is that it overreaches, it criminalizes, it takes what could be civil problems and makes them criminal, it does all these things, and they become the decider of what justice is. And clearly, as we saw in this case, one, they didn't do a very good job, and two, they're
Starting point is 02:27:23 not good deciders. So yeah, I don't have any answers as much to say I'm just, I hate all of it and I'm case one they didn't do a very good job and two they're not good deciders so yeah I don't have any answers as much to say I'm just I hate all of it and I'm conflicted by all of it you know. Alright so in better words free the homie. I ain't saying that. That's what you're saying the homie's free. He's neither the homie nor free. You had his number, how are you deleting his number? No I ain't deleting his number. Why do you need to delete his number? We ain't talking anyway. Just making sure. Oh he might have something to say to you. No he got something to say to Tare. Did y'all see Tare coming? Yeah we did. Oh you already know okay. He said I don't even want him in jail I'm an abolitionist. Nigga you ain't never been
Starting point is 02:27:58 abolitionist. Now everybody out on the abolitionist line. He don't want that smoke. You know Torrey said it was just journalism he was just covering right covering the story. He said I don't want that smoke. You know, Tory said it was just journalism, he was just covering the story. He said, I don't have an investment in who wins or who loses. I didn't care if he was guilty or innocent. I'm like, 18 months ago, he was like, he's guilty. He needs to be guilty. He needs to be in the jail forever. We spoke highly about you Tory. Yeah, that's my man. I already texted the fuck with him about it. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's my guy. I mean, we're actual friends in real life. Got it.
Starting point is 02:28:29 He's still shook right now. He's still ducking his swoop. I already teased him about it. You think there's a word where Puff start pulling up on people that he didn't like the commentary? 1000%. Yeah, there's definitely a word where that happens.
Starting point is 02:28:43 You better keep going to the gym. I'll be in the gym regardless, just because health is wealth. Okay. Well, whatever. No, I'm just saying. He going to be in there for a year. He ain't in shape. You might need to win.
Starting point is 02:28:57 Listen, they can keep me out of it. I don't want nothing to do with nothing. The internet just like trying to put me in shit so they could tear me down I'm cool Joe say something Nope I don't have an opinion on shit What was the last or when the storage broke? I can't boy it said hey Listen to podcast boy. They tore me up when I said
Starting point is 02:29:25 I was just trying to tell people I came boy and said, hey, listen to podcast. Boy, they tore me up when I said that shit. Oh, you scared them? They tore me up. I was just trying to tell people. They didn't get tablets, you know. They just thought he wasn't coming home. Niggas are getting confident because they was like, you know, I don't give a fuck. He can hear it, I say what I want to him.
Starting point is 02:29:38 Yeah, I said that too. What y'all gonna do when he come home in the event that they don't lock him up forever? I said, oh, this. But I don't think he comes home on bullshit. I don't. I think he comes home to continue to do the work or start to do the work if he didn't. I hope so. Yeah, I do think that. But that pull up on Tare could have been read two ways. It could have been read as, hey brother, there's really nothing to worry about. Or, particularly since you could have just not said anything.
Starting point is 02:30:03 I know what you said. It got back to me and this is my way of letting you know that I know. That's all. Old school gangster shit. That is old school gangster shit. It did make me feel like he's on the road to recovery when I heard that shit.
Starting point is 02:30:16 I was like, oh he's still in some emotions. Much love. Right. There you go. Love brother. Tell that brother there's no beef between us. Yeah. Mm, brother. Tell that brother there's no beef between us. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:30:25 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Much love, man. Oh, man. Yeah. So you don't feel anything needs to be expounded upon with regards to how you feel? Say more.
Starting point is 02:30:42 Outside of just the prison, you don't believe it belongs in prison, but you don't really believe that he should have been not held accountable. The problem is, I don't believe a prison can ever hold people accountable. Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:30:54 So the question for me was, if I were the juror, what would I decide? If they gave him three years. I could live with it. You would think that was fair? Yeah, that sounds about right. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Anything more than three, to be honest,
Starting point is 02:31:05 if I were the judge right now, I would give him a year and a day on each count. On each one? Yeah, like, yeah, that's what I would do. So consecutive, not count. Consecutive, yeah, or two years, whatever. He would do two years, he would have already done one, and I'd do nothing.
Starting point is 02:31:18 I just, I just, we can't. Would you have given him a bail? If you were the judge? What would be the point? Would I give him a bail? That's an interesting question. Again, I don't really believe in bail. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 02:31:31 As me, yeah, I gave him bail. The only time I think bail should be used, honestly, is if someone's a flight risk or a risk to harm people. Now, you could argue that he is, but the problem with that is he wasn't found guilty of that. Now, you're using the law for something he didn't, you know what I mean? You can't say, well, he blew up Cuddy's car, so you can't let him out.
Starting point is 02:31:49 He didn't, legally, he didn't blow up Cuddy's car. That's a good point, and I've even thought about that. In the very beginning of the case, you can say, yo, he's a potential harm to people. But now that the case has been adjudicated. adjudicated, you can't say, yo, dog, he's a harm to people because he has a, that's a good one.
Starting point is 02:32:05 But here's what the judge said about that. But here's what the judge said about that real quick. The judge said in the trial, he's already admitted, even though he wasn't charged with it, he admitted to being violent in these things in the testimony that the defense even conceded that. But that's a slippery slope and a very dangerous. Because that's saying that basically,
Starting point is 02:32:24 if you give him a year and a day, that 367th day, if you held him based on the fact that he is violent and commit these acts, I mean could potentially commit these acts, that don't stop on the 380th day. And that's where the state will rely on the lie that they're rehabilitative. That if we put him in jail for a year, he'll be corrected, and then he'll come out okay, but we can't let him out until we fix him. And prisons don't fix nobody. That's a contradiction.
Starting point is 02:32:49 And that's the bush. But that's the bush, that's the argument that they're gonna make, you know what I mean? So. You said what would be the point in him getting bail? Well, I mean, like, if he's going to be sentenced to go to jail anyways. You've been to jail?
Starting point is 02:33:01 I've been, yeah. Well, no, not jail. Well, wait, hold on, maybe. Jail, yeah. Well, no, not jail. Well, wait, hold on. Maybe. Jail, yeah. Well, my point is, if you- I've been to prison. After a year of jail or prison, I promise you, if somebody say you're out to October-
Starting point is 02:33:13 After a week of sitting in a room- A week? What? A year, nigga? After four days, and somebody say, yo, you could go home for four months, but you might have to come back. After 16 minutes. Let me the fuck out of here.
Starting point is 02:33:24 Let me the fuck out of here. We're literally talking about the fact that they're moving sentencing up to this month. Oh, they are, okay. Yeah, so that's- That has not been decided. That has not been decided. There's a hearing where they'll see.
Starting point is 02:33:35 To see it from you, okay. Because October's still the official date. Yes. So that's the only reason why what I was basing it off of. Not for anything else. But again, even if it were next week. Bro, if they told me, yo, you gonna get a new bell hearing
Starting point is 02:33:47 at the end of July, this is the beginning of July. Right. Nigga, send me the fuck home where I could get some real food and hug my kids and do all of the other things that don't, yeah, like what are we talking about? Mel, you get a call from an unknown number tomorrow. No, prison slash jail, that's what to say on the cell phones now. No, no, no. I ain't saying it's Puff.
Starting point is 02:34:08 I'm saying it's an associate calling you, saying that upon release, Hot and Bothered is the very first place that Puff wants to stop to give his how he's feeling, his state of mind, what he's thinking. Actually, he's not sure he's going to do any more interviews, but he wants to stop it hot and bothered to get this out Hmm that's possible
Starting point is 02:34:37 Your questions up here For some reason Questions up here are tough. It's not gonna lie, for some reason, questions up here are tough. That's not an easy question for me to answer, honestly. Really? Yeah. It's not an easy question for you to answer, honestly, or not an easy question for you to answer?
Starting point is 02:34:53 That's a punctuation super important. That's a very important. It's not an easy question for me to answer, comma, honestly. God, God, God. Oh, that was funny. Well played, sir. Good one. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:35:08 Should we come back to you? Yeah, come back to me. Flip. You know my answer. Oh, you what? Yo, you know what? Can we pick him up? Someone's gotta come out.
Starting point is 02:35:17 JR. JR would be right there. To JR. Same question. Nico. Nah. No? Nah. I? Nah.
Starting point is 02:35:26 I'm cool. Mark? Well, I think given our new situation, I have some say in this because I need a percentage of that interview. Is that what it is? Yes. You would want the interview to get done. If it's on this network, want the interview to get done.
Starting point is 02:35:45 If it's on this network, I needed to get done. I got bills to pay. But if he said, Mark, I want you to be the person to do it, I mean, I'd be a little nervous as a setup. Man, you're going to dust that suit off. Oh yes, yes, yes. I'm not pretending to deliberate. Wait, nervous as a setup?
Starting point is 02:36:01 What's the setup? What's the setup? Ass whooping. Yeah, I've been critical enough for Puff that I would be worried that if two guys pulled up in the limo, like, hey, we're going to take you to the interview, I'm going to end up like Joe Pesci again. You know what I mean? You know, and that's what's so funny,
Starting point is 02:36:13 is that everybody has the same idea that cross him, and then there's repercussions and consequences. Yeah. Now, I haven't crossed him, just to be clear. In case anybody's listening, I haven't crossed him. I think the girls have that idea. Yeah, I haven't crossed them just to be clear, in case anybody's listening, I haven't crossed them. I don't think the girls have that idea. I don't think nobody got the idea.
Starting point is 02:36:27 I think that some people just. We were literally just discussing it like three seconds ago in reference to Torre and whoever else spoke out about him. Yeah, they made a joke about it. I'm teasing. But it's something that has, it's been a Puff-based idea for a very long time. It did not, but I wasn't worried about nothing crazy
Starting point is 02:36:46 happening. If anything, if Puff had issued something I said, he would, he would tell me privately. We would be in a private space and he would, it would be dealt with whatever way it got dealt with. But, You'll be happy. Same last Sunday.
Starting point is 02:37:04 Yeah. Wait, you're in the book? I'm leaning in for your niggas. I'll be like, Glass Joe, remember when we made Tayson punch y'all? Eww. I'll be right in line, right behind the stairs, dokes. No, but y'all will do the interview. I think
Starting point is 02:37:20 as a journalist, I feel like... Who better? Yeah, somebody's gotta ask tough questions. And somebody from our culture. Yeah, that would be my concern. There are people who are willing, but he would be somebody I would.
Starting point is 02:37:33 Gotcha, all right. There's things I wanna know. And I'm not confident that someone else will ask them. You got it. Now if they tell you don't ask us A, B, C, D. Then I'm out. Got it. I'm probably out.
Starting point is 02:37:43 Maybe. Have you decided yet? Yeah. Under the same circumstances, if I was not hobbled by you can't ask this, you can't ask that, then yes, there would be some extraordinarily hard questions that I would want answers to. But if I was told that there was limitations, absolutely not. I would want answers to. But if I was told that there was limitations, absolutely not, I would have zero interest.
Starting point is 02:38:07 Even if you knew you'd get 50 million views? Yes. Because you would? Okay, I respect that. Both of y'all, y'all both have way more integrity than I do, even with all the danger. I ain't gonna lie. I'll be Harlem, nigga, I'll be doing a Harlem Shake
Starting point is 02:38:21 in the video. Take that, take that. Take that, won't stop. Wait a second, Joe. Hold on a Harlem Shake in the video. In the video? Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that.
Starting point is 02:38:31 Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that.
Starting point is 02:38:39 Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. But would you be afraid as a woman? No. Okay. Get security. Bring the bear.
Starting point is 02:38:49 Have flip up there. No, I'm not gonna be a bear. You won't go down there? No. You said no. I will go. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 02:39:00 No, I don't think that I would be fearful. Fuck y'all up. Puff, hey yo Puff. Girl what happened? I was in the bathroom. I guess I gotta do the interview now. Yo, welcome to night school. And a bullshit. I don't think, like I said, I think Puff is coming out to do some work. I hope so.
Starting point is 02:39:32 I think he's coming out to do some work. You sit that long, you hear a judge deny your $50 million bail package, you throw yourself in these situations where money and status don't really help, you start to appreciate things differently. I agree. But what does he look like two years,
Starting point is 02:39:47 I agree with all that, what does he look like two years from now? Because sometimes people feel like that year one. That feeling wears off. That's back. Yeah. Everything wears off though. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:39:56 How you feel untouchable then? And that's what I'm saying. Because if I was him, I might feel real good about myself right now. That's not everybody bro, that's not everybody. How could you not? How could you not feel good about yourself? Exactly.
Starting point is 02:40:04 But you still, but you still recognize the pal. How could you not? How could you not feel good about yourself? But you still recognize the power. In two years, he'll be a lot more supportive than Shorty Doo-Wop, which is part of what the problem is. Yeah, that's true. Is that how America feels about DV is different from how America wants people to think it feels about DV. I agree.
Starting point is 02:40:24 That's real. And I think that feels about DV. I agree. That's real. And I think that's based on the commonality. I think a lot of more, especially some of my friends that are in law enforcement, they like, yo, especially- You got friends in law enforcement? Yeah, you do too. You got friends with a badge, nigga?
Starting point is 02:40:38 Yeah. No, I don't. You do. But we should talk about you. I don't speak to them if they have a badge. Anyway. Who are you talking to. I don't speak to them if they have a badge. All right, anyway. You know what you're talking to? I don't speak to niggas when it comes to you. That's you.
Starting point is 02:40:50 All right, you got it, bro. So look, my man was like, he was a cop in like an affluent community in New Jersey. He said, yo, a ton of their calls are DV calls. Like cops, judges, a lot of them be beating they wives' asses, my nigga. Like a lot of people in law enforcement really are some of the biggest perpetrators
Starting point is 02:41:09 of domestic violence. I told you, I had talked to a cop before and he was like, you're the worst day, it's Christmas morning. And majority of it is DV calls. The worst day they did, like not New Year's, running down all the holidays where you think the calls will be the most, it's Christmas morning.
Starting point is 02:41:26 Yep. I didn't get that gift. I see it. One person felt like I did more for you than you in a DV situation. He was like, yo, this is awful. Constant. It's disgusting.
Starting point is 02:41:36 Christmas morning. It's disgusting. So yeah, I think more people, even women, I think more people go through or are victims of domestic violence than they would let on. Yeah. Because you're living under this guise of this happy marriage, this happy family, you're not leaving so you don't even want to tell anybody. Yeah. So I think that niggas are a little bit more
Starting point is 02:41:58 sympathetic to it than they would let on. Thank you guys for that. We were having a conversation last night on night school about kink and... You're getting a little freaky for that. We were having a conversation last night on night school about kink. And he's a little freaky. After midnight. And we were talking about in context of Diddy, like, there was a lot of kink shaming happened in his, in his trial and a lot of to me the prosecution's case partially rested on that, assuming that we'd be so We make him a deviant and then we put deviants in jail
Starting point is 02:42:28 So what he wants on his nipples what he likes to do here who he likes to bring into it Do you think that the country has matured because of this at all? No, because our king or gotten or or the opposite taking a step back. You know, I mean, I think they've progressed you think so I Think that opens like to your point, I think the prosecution thought we were gonna paint him to be this sexual... Deviant. Deviant, and that was gonna really carry our case
Starting point is 02:42:57 when you started talking about the things that he was doing because middle America and a lot of America, even not even middle America, niggas be fronting about what they doing in their bedroom, my nigga. Yeah. A lot of America, even not even middle America, niggas be frontin' about what they doin' in they bedroom, my nigga. A lot of niggas be frontin', men especially, about what they doin' in they bedroom, so they thought it was gonna carry it,
Starting point is 02:43:12 it didn't carry it because... I think that's the, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think the lesson is, yo, that's what he does for a living. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Sorry.
Starting point is 02:43:23 Idiot. My bad. Dad jokes. Nobody hammers nothing. You hit the nail on the head. You're a screw gun's asshole. But go ahead. Yeah. No, but I think that's part of it is that I think they underestimated how many people do the shit that Puff do. And that's the part I didn't think about either.
Starting point is 02:43:39 You know what I mean? A lot of people were like, oh shit, if that's illegal, what the fuck have I been doing? Or if that's freaky, what the fuck have I been doing? And that was the point that I was trying to make earlier about the fact the him having the trial here in New York What I miss something that Mel just be lying on the points that she's made No, I did say that. I did say the lives of people here in New York are very adventurous, exciting.
Starting point is 02:44:10 We see a lot of shit, so something like what came out in trial wouldn't necessarily faze them. Like wife swap. What do you call it? I did say that. Swinging is what I was going for. Yeah, cooking too. I didn't know much about cooking, but as I...inging is what I was looking for. But yeah, cucking too. I mean, I didn't know much about cucking,
Starting point is 02:44:25 but as I, that's what I heard. That's what I was saying. Bullshit. King cock. It's like the, I don't want to tell my son. You wilding, though. That's my bad. King cock is insane.
Starting point is 02:44:38 Oh man. No, but like as I learned, the thing I learned about it wasn't just that, I found out what it was as a term, but more like I was more interested on the internet and even on shows and platforms. People were like, oh yeah, I'm into that. I love educated people talking about sex. The thing I learned about cooking in my research.
Starting point is 02:44:56 Yes, my research. No, but it's just mad fascinating to me. I wonder if as a society we may have turned a corner on this shit. People might actually be more open. When I was growing up, like every dude acting like eating ass was like the craziest shit they ever did. Everybody pretending.
Starting point is 02:45:09 How did? They can eat pussy was. No, eating pussy was the start, right? They can eat pussy, Nick. How did? How did? 46. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:45:16 So like in my teenage years, it was like eating pussy. Everybody pretended they didn't eat pussy. We were all eating. You know what I mean? Everybody who was having sex was eating pussy. Like you just were. And then in the 20 20s what you weren't
Starting point is 02:45:27 I'm older than you though. That's why I asked why oh Yeah That little three four year difference mate nigga little Kim and them starbuck taking in the, all of that shit changed society, nigga. What you talking to me with? They just wouldn't let you do that, bro. Lil' Kim didn't change society. You're bugging. You're bugging.
Starting point is 02:45:59 You are bugging. They just wouldn't let you do it, man. My brother's been talking about it. My niggas wasn't talking about it. I used to be scared of the dick, now I throw lip. No, girls wasn't admitting that ass open. I think we should actually do it. I'm saying they was doing it.
Starting point is 02:46:11 It's just like all the little kids. Yeah, we bug him, my nigga. Do a whole bunch. Yo, y'all niggas is frontin'. Please. You know there's going to be a clip of me killing you. Y'all niggas is frontin'. Do the I Know What Girls Like verse.
Starting point is 02:46:20 Yo, y'all niggas is frontin'. Yo, y'all niggas is frontin', bro. The girls wasn't openly admitting that shit. Yo, y'all niggas. What the fuck? What the Q? Yo, y'all niggas is frontin', bro. The girls wasn't openly admitin' that shit like that. No, I didn't say they was admitin' it. I said they was doin' it, though. Yeah, but we talkin' about it. But the change to society is now girls
Starting point is 02:46:35 are bein' way more open about what they was doin'. They start braggin' about it, yes. It went from that, it went from me and Taboo to bein' bragged about. Yes, Lil White had everybody eatin' pussy. Y'all think Suckin' Dick was taboo in 94 yes yes yes yes taboo yes absolutely okay I'm not saying that they wasn't doing it we talked about taboo on Front Street 14 how the fuck you know what niggas was doing outside and what was taboo at 14?
Starting point is 02:47:06 I was outside at 14. I don't know who you're talking to. I'm not him. He was saying they can't play basketball. At 14, I was going, I have all the money. He was going to play back his hours. At 14. He's talking like he don't hear you either. Wait no, I had to have money. You'll catch him later. What y'all niggas say? He can't like him here you either. I know where no I was glad they like you're catching me
Starting point is 02:47:27 What y'all they can say 14 We um they say yeah, it's on a Portland at 14 That niggas is crazy. I was getting it but no it is it is a little bit different me and it's also like cultural societal like when I went to the, no, everything doesn't go back to the cult. It does. It does. And also, nothing was off limits in the cult.
Starting point is 02:47:54 One day was eating in the cult. They weren't even taking that shit literal. No, they really weren't. No. Niggas, yeah, take the carpet table for a bit. Smorgasbord. Smorgasbord. Yes!
Starting point is 02:48:08 You share your pain with niggas and this is what they do. See, Imani, I get it worse than you do. Oh, man. Oh, man. You know? Oh, man. It hurts. What I was saying is,
Starting point is 02:48:19 Literally. More cult talk. See? Like in the hood, girls would be like, like, have oral sex was like the, like a girl sucking dick was like the thing you did for your boyfriend. That was like the last thing you did. Whereas in the white neighborhoods that I was around, that was the first thing they
Starting point is 02:48:33 did. They'd be like, I didn't fuck him, I just sucked his dick. Whereas like no black girl I knew would have said that in the 90s. It was the exact opposite. You know what I mean? So I'm just saying like some of it is based on where you are. Very true. That was 1000% accurate.
Starting point is 02:48:44 Yeah. For was all. For real? All right. What'd you say, Rami? No, it was Paul. What'd you say, Paul? Paul. Now I don't know why I can't.
Starting point is 02:48:55 Do y'all think it was, speaking of what Ish was saying about Little Kim, do y'all think it was right for Little Kim to spit those lyrics at such a young age? I loved it. The album was a classic. She's older than me. Can't control women. I loved the empowerment of it.
Starting point is 02:49:14 What was wild to me was that Big was writing it. So I'm thinking like, I always imagined Big sitting at the desk like writing, you know, Queens, British, Supreme. But you know, for me, that was the thing. That was the thing I loved about Big was that he was able to put himself into that mind frame and that to write for women. It's the way Ne-Yo does it. Man, I'm glad you said that.
Starting point is 02:49:32 No, please don't do it. Don't start that, don't start that, bro. I think I know where this is going. Please, bro. Please, no. I know where this is going. Stop, all right, we did it already. When I was a guest here, my first time as a guest,
Starting point is 02:49:46 you said some wild shit about Big. I don't know exactly what it was. You know what it is. You. You. About you said in the alternate life, him and Tupac, bisexual and all that stuff you've said. I said in a Marvel What If comic style episode,
Starting point is 02:50:03 I could see the big and Pac beef really just being of gay or bisexual quarrel and they fighting over Pac. You should not really marvel. Yeah, I could see that. You said I wouldn't even say in a Marvel world. You said that after that. No, I could see it in real life. I did the Marvel thing to protect my opinion.
Starting point is 02:50:27 But I could definitely, I could see that. I could see that. But that's not what I was about to say. I went to a studio session not too long ago, and it was a female rapper. She had some guys in there. Nigga, that shit almost fucked me up when he went in there to lay the reference for her.
Starting point is 02:50:51 Like in the booth. Like I'm sitting there just scrolling. And I get all the money if I suck it balls. This nigga was doing it. It was a hard ass verse for a girl but I just forgot what was going on. I was like, rap is changed. I left just in time. Right in time it was rugged. I suck a dick and I take a trips and I'm like yo, you I was like, yo, y'all hear the first? But, it was right in the firm, so. That's funny, son.
Starting point is 02:51:30 It's talent. It is talent. It is talent. I'm going wherever you going after the part, and I'm going where you going. Anytime you put the lipstick on with the earrings, I'm going where she going. She's going to a bash man.
Starting point is 02:51:43 I heard that part, I was here for that, I was on the sideline, I'm going in more detail. With the jean dress, stop playing. I don't even know what that means. Things are coming back like they used to be? You didn't do bashments? No, no, I'm from East London. What's coming back, like what?
Starting point is 02:51:56 It's something Jamaican. You know Ish never been to a bash man, first of all. I don't know what that is. You don't even know what it is, y'all know that. Y'all thought Ish knew what that was? You might have been locked up during that time. No, I don't know what that is. And'all know that. Y'all thought it was new. You might have been locked up during that time. I don't know what that is. And I make fun of him like I did me.
Starting point is 02:52:09 I mean, in fairness, a bashment is a little more culturally obscure than Gangstar in New York. Shut up, man. I don't know music, but I can't. I guess it depends on what part of New York you're in. And I was saying that everything is getting back like it used to be. That's why I was going to ask you, you going to the New York spot? Yeah, And I was saying that everything is getting back like it used to be. Is this in, that's why I was gonna ask you, you going to New York, New York spot?
Starting point is 02:52:28 Yeah, I'm going to Queens. Oh, that makes sense. Hey, I know. That's what's up. Hey. Boom, boom, bannin'. Are you going to the Angie Cook Out? No.
Starting point is 02:52:37 You going to some foreign shit. That's why you got your stone washed skirt on. Yeah. Who out there, gang? I know, I know. Yo, what the guan? You got the yardie outfit on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, got you.
Starting point is 02:52:47 Go Mel. I did not think anybody was going to pick up on that. Oh, I picked up on it. That's why you said you were going to a bash when I was like, oh, okay. I'm literally West Indian, but okay. You're all of the races. No, she is Beijing. She's all of us.
Starting point is 02:53:04 I literally have said that on this episode before. Okay. You're all of the races. She said that on this episode before. I've said it my whole life because that's what I am. Am Russian. Yes. I have one white parent and one black parent. So yes. Yes, right. Yes.
Starting point is 02:53:18 Gonna be outside is going down. No Russian. I'm gonna run it to you in that spot. Bajan. Excuse me. And Japanese. No, she never said she's Japanese. Swiss, and that's fine. Bajan. Bajan, excuse me. And Japanese. No, she never said she's Japanese. Swiss, right?
Starting point is 02:53:27 Scandinavian. Swiss beat. Swahili. Yeah, who else? You can't claim all. Are you bringing something to this drink? I know you baked banana bread the other day. I was just curious to know.
Starting point is 02:53:38 I didn't get around to it. I didn't get around to it. I'm bringing liquor. That always wins. I'm bringing liquor. Yeah. Yeah, real quick. That always wins. I'm bringing liquor. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:53:46 Yeah, real quick. They said that Derrick, the one that's left, Derrick Groves, he may have changed his appearance. The police put out bug shots of him being in wigs, short haircut, and long braids. Smart, smart man. Look at this shit. Smart.
Starting point is 02:54:03 I told y'all he was going to be the one. You did say that. Man, he's killing that shit. This is from the New Orleans breakout, right? And listen, that wasn't even the shocker for me. The shocker was when they arrested the second to last guy and took pictures. Dude in the picture got the nerve to look pissed off and annoyed with every tattoo on his face, neck, ears. He got a big Detroit tiger symbol right here. He in the picture like, oh, they got me. I'm like, yeah, they got you, idiot. Put the road map on you.
Starting point is 02:54:36 Yeah, right. Oh my lord, fuck. Ain't a hard nigga to find. At all. Oh man. That's crazy. We can go. I don't have nothing, we ain't got to sleep. I know y'all ready. Y'all ready, man, That's crazy. We can go. I don't have nothing. We ain't got to do sleepers. I know y'all ready. Y'all ready, man. I hear it. You can't wait till he sit down, right?
Starting point is 02:54:49 So you know, when my man go ask something. Well, yeah, I hope that everyone has something. Not me. I'm not doing this with you. You can tell your man. Been a great show. You can tell your man mind is that when I say what I'm shitting, he just brush it off. I know he is. He not cracking jokes. Yeah man, 4th of July. Trying to keep everything efficient like we promised. I love it.
Starting point is 02:55:14 I just wanted you to crack jokes with me and my brother. Supposed to play like how about some hardcore. Yeah, you gotta give him some MOP. You know what I mean? It's the 5th of July. No. I was never doing that. Some people have barbecue hangovers right now. Some people are doing a barbecue right now.
Starting point is 02:55:30 You're right. You're right. People with their family, their side joints. That's true. That's true. Some people have the bash men shaking some ass. Hey, there we go. Can I look at you? And the world all right with me? Just what you can do. And I know it's gonna be A lovely day. Day. Day. Day. Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda, Alameda Till the next time, may bid you adieu, farewell, adios, terima, terje, aus, alabista, argo,
Starting point is 02:56:28 so long, goodbye, it will suffice Remember life is a series of moments and moments pass So let's make this one last as if it's all we have Iguhi Hey! Hopefully everybody enjoyed their Fourth of July. Enjoy your holiday weekend. EGLE! Weekend plans, anybody, anybody. Anything fun, anything fun, anything fun they fight we baby free we just running around
Starting point is 02:57:07 I'm out of my end up with a fuck nose My hit y'all yeah, I don't think we got shit. Let's get a run going. Yeah, let's do it Tell the streets up. Yeah We do a love island watch party on me? Facts! Alright we're going after the hook, remember please be safe. Shout out to any of you niggas that blew your fucking fingers off last night Shout out to y'all
Starting point is 02:57:50 Shout out to anybody in the urgent care cuz you trying to put the m80 in your mouth cuz the bitches pull the bitches I'm getting stupid. Chouncy some of you niggas with the cheap fireworks. Make sure you set up in a different part of the grass than the real niggas. Hey! Anybody that took the lawn chair out to the motherfuckin' east side yesterday. Salute, salute, salute, salute, salute, salute. Hey, everybody that took the lawn chair out to the motherfuckin' east side yesterday. Salute, salute, salute, salute, salute, salute. Hey.
Starting point is 02:58:36 And everybody that's doing some fucking this week, man. Shout out to y'all this weekend. Little 4th of July pussy. Until next time. We love each and every one of y'all out there. We'll be back same time, same place, next week. God willing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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