The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 859 | "The Mikan Drills" (feat. Chance the Rapper)

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

The JBP kicks off its latest episode with the Young Thug interview with Big Bank (32:33) which leads into a conversation on whether Thug is carrying any resentment (59:40) and the fallout since the YSL trial. Marc Lamont Hill highlights the 2025 Basketball Hall of Fame inductees (1:39:25), Ryan Clark & Peter Shrager’s confrontation on ESPN (1:56:22), did anyone watch the VMAs (2:05:13), Dame Dash’s comments to Cam’ron and podcasters (2:14:38), and Meek Mill complains about low funding from labels (2:31:35). Also, Chance the Rapper joins the show (2:40:50) to discuss his new album ‘STAR LINE’ as well as the criticisms from his previous project ‘The Big Day’, promoting music, his desire to teach classes, the success of ‘Acid Rap’ and ‘Coloring Book’, upcoming tours, and much more!  Become a Patron of The Joe Budden Podcast for additional bonus episodes and visual content for all things JBP! Join our Patreon here: http://www.patreon.com/joebudden 

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Enjoy the show. That's fine. Yes, aye. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Phones up, phones up, last looks, last looks. All right, Mark brushed his hair. Yeah, that's all you gonna get. No, for real.

When I first seen Mark, it wasn't brushed. I was like, all right, I'm gonna see if you brushed it out before we're going here. I brushed it, put on the hoodie, you know. Yeah, you got your change clothes. Yeah, had to do something. You're right. Got your school clothes on? Well, you know what it is?

I couldn't go to the barber this week. I had to cancel my barber appointment, and I had to, you know, I've been tied up, so I didn't get to do my normal. That shit is annoying, saying, because I hit my barber like, yo, I'm trying to slide through. He said, I'm in Jamaica. Nick, you was just in Cancun two weeks ago. Yeah, they, so? No, no soul, nigga, get back to work.

He's got responsibilities, right. Yeah, niggas, they living their life around the pod. They shouldn't. That's a problem. Well, you know what? That's part of the problem right here. Stupid barber. Yeah, nigga, you're a barber.

You need to be in there. I need to get right. You don't got a plan B? No, I don't, I'm cool. Go ahead. You know, update your lifestyle, yo. cool got to update your lifestyle got it told you about going to the barbershop years ago you still want to go in there and shoot the shits have them come on over put the kids up to bed

get the little chair i ordered one from instagram they robbed me it still ain't here you ordered a barber chair it's been a great yeah nice that's my name of the chair but i ordered it shit trash they told me you don't got the lean back they told me it has everything they told me it's It's not fire. They told me it would come. I fell for one of them Instagram. Why did you buy it on Instagram?

Well, no, no, it was one of them Instagram ads, but my barber gassed it. My barber that comes to my house. He gassed it. So I bought it instead of we using the restoration hardware to share and some bullshit. So I ordered the chair. They told me it were coming six months.

In eight months, it never came. Wait, wait. So I emailed them. Where the fuck was that coming from? Are you getting it made? What do you think? Over there? Yeah, man, Big T. What are you talking about, dude?

The shit on the boat somewhere right now. The shit right now. Shit coming across the Pacific right now. If you order in furniture. Yeah. Be prepared to wait. Be prepared to wait. Yeah, six months is normal, yeah.

Yeah, if you order in furniture, that's very normal. So I didn't bad. You could take it home the same day. Yeah, you should work the box. But I keep telling you, the pit days are over. Thank God. I keep trying to find different ways to let you know. Nothing is being as effective.

They told me six months. Eight months, I emailed them. Where am I shit at? They email me back. We've been trying to get in touch with you. No, yeah. No, you wasn't. No, you wasn't.

But we're having trouble where we get our materials from because of the tariffs. We're done. Luckily, we found a new spot to get our materials from. We're going to ship this out in 16 weeks. Four more months. You know what? Yo, some niggas, even if you rob me, I'm cool with it. You got to communicate

You got it big dog So they got me It is what it is But there you go What's the most normal thing you do then Is if you don't go to the barbershop Right And I go to the barbershop

I make a private appointment So I ain't got to do some of the shenanigans So I can still feel normal Like what's the normal thing you do Oh these niggas got too much money Like you're out here No we invest our money properly Oh okay

Don't start Versus y'all You don't start. You all do that shit where you just put it all in your pocket. Excuse me? Go ahead. You can't put it all in your pockets

is what we're saying. It's worth making a private appointment with your barber to not see pedestrians when you're getting your line up. I enjoy seeing my people, though. My people, all right. I fuck with the people with my shop.

You hate that shit, man. They start pye and saying, what about that? He complained every time. No, no, no. That ain't always the case, though. I know these niggas for 20 years We all have appointments

You said just so I could feel normal No I mean I don't I don't want to not do normal shit There's some shit I Because normally you're not normal Yeah you're not normal No I did I know that I do some boozy shit To avoid conversations

Certain things But then there's other shit I do So that I don't feel like that's my whole life Like I'll go to a gym Even though it's annoying sometimes Because your people always walking up with me Or like the barbershop I'll do it But just a certain way

You know what I mean But it sounds like Joe don't do it everything I do is to avoid conversations with people. That was before you were rich too, though, enough or nothing. Yeah, no, I'm not saying that's a new thing. It's just easier to do it now. Got it, sure. But the Newark boy couch paints that as something.

I don't paint it as anything. That's nothing wrong. Rocking out. Well, let me ask you all the opposite. What's the boogey and shit, y'all? What's the shit you do that would make you look like you was out of, like extra to person? I got to follow a question, too, right after you answer that one. lately um i'll tell y'all i told ish because i but we make the jokes on the pot and shit

i've been quit flying um economy and all that shit and now it's first class and the lounge and you do the lounge too yeah i do the lounge is the extra part i don't want to see yeah all right that's awesome good for you what you're doing the barber do tilt your chair there you go come Come on. I know it. I know it was the barber question coming too. What you do when the barber tilt your chair back and you got your eyes closed just chilling?

But the nigger he owed money to came up, came up to him. And now they're having that conversation while your eyes closed. My barber's stand up, niggum. Why you're laying back like this? You get the bullshit started. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. Tough ass. Missed I like, My people, would you do that? They go from giving you the eucalyptus. Your word is born, my nigga. When I was going to-

I was fucking you got somebody in the chair, my nigga, where am I bred at? No, when I was being regular? See, trying to be regular. Trying to be regular, get you robbed. Yes. Beat up, all type of shit. I was going to my little Patterson barbershop.

I was lean back. Mm-mm. I was asleep. I think I ain't get no sleep the night before. Somebody came in there talking mad aggressive to this. I woke up and started lifting, I was like, number one, if this escalate, my little short Dominican barber can't do nothing with this angry dig.

And I ain't really in the position to do nothing with him either, lay back like this. Nor do I want to. I don't know you like that. I don't know you like that. I mean, my lineup game nice, but you ain't my man. So my next thought is, yo, these ain't thoughts I should be having. Right. getting the haircut, right.

You know what? I'm going to fix this. Here we go. Don't be no more of this one. I'm going to write the Inglewood from now. All right, eyes, what do you do in the barber? Put his foot on the little thing to lower your chair and then it put his balls on top of your elbow. That's what I thought you was going to put his balls right on top of your meat.

Now you want to move, but that's going to make you look homophobic. That's it? You can't just move your elbow. Wait, that don't make you look homophobic? It does kind of. No, no. It does. Get your nuts off me.

You know your barber ain't trying to ain't trying to put his You don't know I don't care, nigga Your dog your barber's not sure Hopefully

He might You should find a new barber Ice barber You know how many times I told a chick You need to find A new weed dealer Yeah

Bitches You ever listen to the chick To smoke weed Yep And no And there means But their means Of coping

Oh yeah Like how to, you know, drug didn't live right up stairs on the fourth floor. I let him in the morning. And my boyfriend don't know about him, but sometimes I go see him. He gave me free weed all month. I bet.

All month, he gets me free weed. As I go up there with these, um, little shorts on. Coochee-getters. Basically. Coochie out. That's all I got to do. If y'all girl smoke, would you let it go get free weed?

No. No. So you would pay for the weed? I could vote see this. I guess. Oh, y'all suck this. Hey, whatever you want. Oh, y'all suckers.

You're all going to build somebody business? Yes. Support local business. That's how the money circulates in the community. That's true. That's true. I'm buying in bulk, too, Nick. Money circulates in the community, nigga.

Oh, my God. Fuck that. Free nothing. Pied chicks are 40. Huh? Highhead chicks are 40. Shout to the Baha'haid chicks. No, they're the best kind of.

Yeah. They just got to take that little sip of water before they get to doing their shit. Drink a gallon. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes they're drinking when they ain't drinking enough water. Sometimes that should make a nice roof.

You know, we're nasty. No, I'm good. That is right now. He's right. No, he's nasty, dog. You are disgusting. He's right. What?

That's nasty, though. That's a different nasty right there, son. Oh, my God. That's not. Used to be a little heartier. Yo, that's disgusting, bro. That's the, it would be that kind of part. That's that buffalo shit.

Yeah, that's an upstate shit for sure. You were in Rochester. That Ruby hit in the, Parks is right. I'm good. That's like, you ever sleep with somebody that's drunk? So in the morning they're waking up with all the last night on their breath and you just start tonging them down. I hate sometimes.

You want to taste that, the hypnotic, whatever you were drinking. That 19. or blend it with the saliva. But y'all don't like the hangover fuck? Yes. Not the hangover tongue kiss. Yeah, not that. Hangover, fuck, is different to hangover breath.

Nick said hangover tongue kiss. Your breath stink, too. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. I'm cool. You ain't never been with the headbuss and they catch you before you can run to the bathroom.

What are y'all talking about? You haven't had time to go to the bath. You're both stinking bed. Yeah, grow down. Oh, I didn't did it a million. That's why I hate lights getting pretty out, nigg. Get the fuck out this talk, nigga. We talk about.

We're talking about nasty shit. You're good. Sober-ass, doof. You want to keep sleeping with accountants. No, no, baby, don't grab your briefcase yet. Shut up, bina. With the listerine right by the bed. Yeah, yeah.

He's sleep with the bidshe sleep with the bitches that steal the fucking travel listerine from the airplane, bring it home, use it, toss it back. All right. Yo, on Instagram. I've seen an ad. Somebody came up with pre-pasteed little brushes, toothbrushes. It's like a hundred of them in a bag.

Oh, with two-brush. Oh, then we got the toothpaste on them. Not a bad idea. That's not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. Hold on. What is it? Pre-pasted, tooth miniature toothbrushes.

It's a predisposible. Yeah. Hunting in a bag. It's not terrible. Not the worst idea is all I'm saying. This is not an ad. Not mad at that. All right.

How has anybody feeling, man? How we feeling, man? Excellent. Feeling good, you're looking good. Glad to be here. Happy to have y'all. I assume I know what the first topic is. So, I mean, did everyone see?

Of course. Of course. Not at all. No. No. Not one minute of it. This isn't watching it all. Ain't know what funny when I text them, because I text them,

texting Android separately from the group chat. All right. He hit me with some brother Ali's shit now for sure. No doubt. Got you. Got you for sure. Did you watch it? Joe didn't tell me to watch anything.

Joe's lying. Uh-oh. Phone's on. Uh-oh. Joe's lying. Uh-oh. Erickson, I'm going to send you to text. I'm going to send it to you so you can put it on your show.

And then we got to play the little. Yeah. Then, he's absolutely right. Oh. He's right. Oh, got him. Oh, yeah. He's right.

He's right. I'm wrong. I confused texts. I text them about our guest today. Oh, okay. I confuse it. He is right, I am wrong for the people that have never heard

that's gross, boy. For the people that have never heard me say that. Yeah, y'all ain't going to clap? No. Accountability, Joe? Nah, that's dope. Y'all, I'm talking about myself. You niggas, it's fucking crazy.

Do you think you got more accountability to me? There is. Go ahead. I mean, I didn't ask you that. I didn't ask you that. Do you think you have more accountability than Joseph Anthony Button, Jr.? I'm not having a conversation.

You, mere mortal, Antoine. Do you think you have more accountability than than than Thanos me? That's the problem. You don't think that. That's the problem. You don't think you, Thanos. You don't think that.

You don't think that. It's all right, dog. Can we move along? Why Thanos didn't have accountability? He did. He had all accountability action. He knew what he was doing and caught to it. Yeah.

No, he justified the bullshit. That is what people that don't take accountability do. No, I don't look at it like that. I bet. But I also feel like Thanos made sense. yeah I was on his side so he wouldn't know all the way road huh he wasn't

yeah I thought Thanos made a lot of sense I was on a lot of the villain side when more I look back you know what Thanos said I mean I get I hear you the references I never watched it okay you don't watch shit boy you just been

he's just been on I watched that damn catfish documentary y'all made you know I was talking about that shit that night that shit was crazy that shit was crazy and the mom that mom was a psycho

they like holding they came in a restaurant while she was holding the kid Yeah, I watched this shit. She was crazy. You see it? Oh, yeah, she was, yeah. She blew my mind.

Now, when the cop blew the lid, she hung the daughter. That's what I'm talking about it. You just let her do that. You know, dad came in like, yeah. Get her out of him. I'm going to jail. I'm telling you, take her or I'm going to jail. That's it.

And he wasn't wrong. No, I was with him. Yeah, but it seemed like it was for every reason but what she did to the daughter. Oh, that's a fact. Yeah, yeah. He was, all, hold of it. So you got. fired how long ago

from both jobs couldn't even sit down no more they lost their house and all that shit yeah I'd be tight what yeah I like the new shit Netflix is doing where they're gonna have a confessional

with the person that's guilty that was the crazy shit to me because she's talking through the shit like it was fucking my head I had to go back and watch it again now now that I know I said all right let me go one more time she's bad shit crazy

yeah nuts even though I mean Oh god No no no no I'm not on mom's side I'm not doing the place Listen to both sides thing I'm saying even though

All that was going on And neither parent bothered To change her phone number That was a So that really was the tall Tell here Yeah And then they justified

Not changing the phone number though Yeah exactly I didn't get that part Like this was only happening via text Yeah but it would it matter because the parents would have had the new number right right right right moms had the new number moms was wild and moms don't went hit the new girl yo the new girl moms you hit the new girlfriend I mean the new girlfriend's mom yeah you got him looking smutty in the street

yeah yeah and I feel bad for dude dude was like a quarterback he was cool he couldn't get no rhythm he was fucked up he couldn't get no rhythm my little brothers in college getting rhythm. My little person is in college exploring. That poor girl. What? We ain't even got to do it. No, no, no. I'm on y'all side now. Okay. I'm on y'all side of you right now. Sorry. Sorry, that's twice? All right, now I'm gonna clap. What? You liar.

I'm on y'all. I'm on y'all side. I'm on y'all side. What fuck happened? Oh, yeah, yeah. Another 20 dropped in there. Yeah, yeah. Something happened. Prize. Something happened. They got Calability balls. Work. Yeah.

I hear you, I don't got no problem with gay people. Gay people work for me right now. I'm damn around gay people every day because they work for me. We the best music. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Another one. DJ Kow! Make him! I see bitch to get over their films for niggas some hours after he died. Had the city be back, the niggas who rap, we capped, niggas be lying. I told bro-n't-fro-n't-foil them. I'm for fans be watching a lie. I'm pushing teeth.

I go to Flas, and I'm in Chicago. My brother on, I'm eating for free. I'm getting in the cash around, so stop telling niggas you bigger than me. I'm getting money. I'm getting money. I feel like big me. I want to bathe me. Go your hood up, bitch, you about it.

Need that robbery truck. Put me on that list. I gotta have it. I want to see Cardi and Nikki. In this city, I round my bitch. How you met your top of a titty? How you met up a box? Mind check one, one, two, one, two.

One two. Yes, there. Man, what? Man, what, man, what, keep going. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

It's a wide bite. This ain't socks. So happy to be here. Here! Whoa! In the odd party, you did not go. He's spinning, spin and spinning on repeat. He spin it, spin and spinning, can't he breathe.

We on the streets. Better call on GOD. What? What? Do it. Mike check one, two, one, two. Jersey City, what's really, though? Chuck squad.

I am what I am. What I'm not, see I never beat. Niggas whooping up in two we need. Catch him like in for him on TV. And if I should die, I'm pushing the murder break. My niggas go slide every day. He's been talking that shit I can't wait so. I'm right.

What I'm not, see, I never beat. Niggas women up in too we need. Catch him like in with him on TV. I'm missing the murder on. I know he got me. He's going to slide every day. He's been talking that shit I can't wait. Smirk.

Big brother You was there You was there Whole New York Whole New York City What's going on out there Oh wait for the ladies Oh wait for the ladies

In the ladies Biddlew Yeah, come get it back in blood We ain't mask of no dodgerie Anybody on their way to work right now? Everybody in the gym right now? On their way to school right now. No, Daddy.

The nigger ain't there, you sure. No RIP shirk. We had 300 shots up in the car before we picked up dirt. A nigger who ain't got shit goin go grab a busy, get alert. Shucks the G-posts RIP, I have the reason and the dirt. You gotta know I go too far. That two O's up on this hunting, one of them might stand for O block. By 20-some shot left up in the K-15 still in a dirt.

K-15 still in a glock, get my door unlocked and stop, I like in on feet rock. Mark Lost, they wasn't playing this at Princeton, huh? Nah. Nah, no. Hey, yeah, wasn't playing this over at Boston College, huh, buddy? Yeah, he. Yeah. Yeah.

Got to start giving them in blood on the gulfo. Guilfogne. Ooh. Okay. Oh, fuck. Yes there. T. T.

Dirty South, yeah. I hear talking about you, get that hand strong. Watch I get the club. I'm gonna make a star. I know somebody. I'm playing one of front. Get that ain't start. Do it like them dirty south.

What's going on out there? Florida, what are? Carolina, what up? Alabama, what up out there? Kansas City, what's good? Here you go. rims spinning, blowing plenty droat. Don't have to mention when you pimping, you get plenty of holding.

It's all on you up, you're gonna trickle, you're gonna get your toe. I know I got these haters mad, I can love that. When you got love for the street, they get your love back. Look in my eyes, you can tell I ain't never scared. Popping them things, I'm rocking my chain anywhere. If you're gonna represent your hood, what you're waiting on. Security better back up when they play this song, and we're about 50 strong. Please don't make us do you wrong.

All right, I'm about ready to rock. I'm about ready to rock out here. The levels, the levels, the levels is good. Shout to the patronies, all the suck groups out there. For the hey listeners, first and last time, listeners. Listen, all that head, you know, this is down. Now, where you from, who the boss? I'm going to break him off.

Where you're from, who the boss? Let me break him off. Let me cut it off, man. Let me cut it off, man. Yeah, you had to it before that next verse. Listen, I'll play that whole shit. Nah, now, we go. We ain't got to do that.

We ain't got to do it. Because then you play next one, you gotta play the third. No, I just said I would play the whole shit. Oh, all right. Listen, we made peace with Chief Keefe over that Blow New Jersey Upline. That is a fact.

We could play the lines. We could play the songs. If Kiss and Beans could do an album, I'm playing all the songs with verses that some of y'all might have been mad at. Ah, I'm not so bad these. These drops out the way for the beach. best crew in the world.

What's that? Uh, the... You know, ice and flesh. Ooh. What is that? It's Mark to my head, pussy, pussy, puzzling, pussy, pussy. All right, what episode is this? 859.

Welcome to episode 859 of the Joe Button podcast. Brought to you by, fuel, by power, by prize, pick, price, miss gang. Yeah. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, happy to be here. Host Joe Button, and the gang is all here. we're here for a good time not a long time so let's not waste any time what's up y'all how y'all doing great excellent we good great yeah great how are you doing couldn't be better word couldn't be better it's that time of year it's that time of year it's that time of year it's that time of year it's hard to feel bad

with the weather's like this my whole house sick it's easy to feel bad oh whoa whoa whole house sick the dog sick damn the whole house is sick first day of school everybody came home sick fuck I was like I'm sorry. Quarantine yourself. My immune system is super. I don't really get sick like that. It's very rare. Super flex.

It's dope because now I could. Somebody could be okay. Flex on a freeze. The kids sick. Everybody's sick. Yeah, but what about your amusement? Tell them. My shit is right.

Stop playing with freeze, yo. Y'all thought he had a regular immune system. He doesn't. I didn't get the x-ray vision, but it helped my immune system. The way, that's where that list ends of things you didn't get? No, I was trying to get, remember, the lights thing, you missed it. Yeah, yeah, it's all. I'm slow.

It's fine. Yeah, I'm chilling, man. I feel good. Say? I feel good. Mark, how are you doing? I feel great. I feel great.

I had a good weekend. Got to hang out a little bit, relax a little bit, didn't have to travel for a long time. For the first time of the long time, went down to Philly, got to hang out with my frat brothers and a little cookout. I ain't been a barbecue all summer. So you still travel, too. But I'm like, driving to Philly ain't like flying to Denver. That's easy. Yeah, I mean, I don't even consider that travel, no.

more. You know what I'm saying? I had a good time, man. And today is my anniversary. Oh, happy anniversary. So, my marriage anniversary. My marriage anniversary, yes. Got it. Make some noise for that. Yes. Make some noise for that. How many years? Just two. Okay. Just two. We've been together a long time, but you know, married too. That's great. So I'm trying to figure out. So we're going to go to dinner tonight.

Okay. And I don't know what else I should do. I was going to ask you parks. Because you don't give, do you do gifts? You don't do gifts? No, they do that, they have the thing where you're supposed to like do a wood thing. in a paper thing. I don't do that. We don't do that shit. Okay.

I can see this. A nice dinner, date. He's talking about his marriage, so I can't even say my jokes. Like, go ahead. No, no, no. I love the guy. But I tell when a nigger ain't laying it down no more. You got me.

He's trying to do. Come up with shit. Helicopter rides. Hey, you ain't got to do all that. Just laid a pipe right. Yeah, that's it. Go have dinner. I mean, let's go a long way.

Light a candle. This is what I do to get you play a song that shit heard in a while. Yeah. Find some little cute romantic shit and that's all. That's it. Go on Amazon, search sex toys. Find her vibe. Yeah.

All that shit works for. Pond intended. Oh, that shit work before you get married. Okay. You can't speak to it. I don't need a ring down. Yeah, yeah, not of my world. to it. I'm out of my world.

Out of my world. Yeah, just find some cute romantic shit. I think that'll go along with. That's good enough. That's how I think. I think I think she's, we're on the same wave lymph on shit like that, but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't no major marriage anniversary shit I was missing. Yeah, I was never a fan of that whole gift, paper, wood, silver thing. That's weird to me.

Yeah, I'm good on that. Okay. You're supposed to, it's like a different material for every year that you're married. Every single year, though. Five, ten, like that goes. Every year. No. Every year. Oh, damn. That falls under like the everyday is a holiday internet thing to me where it's like, is this a real thing or is this something the internet made up to make us do some extra shit. Construct. Yeah, that part.

Corey. Bullshit. Corey think everything in construct. It does. Modern medicine is a construct. I mean. He opened it not now. Yeah, exactly.

Second anniversary gift is supposed to be cotton. That's the traditional. Cotton. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, whoa. You cool?

I'm telling me what this shit saying, bro. I pulled up the list. You're on Masa.mata.com. Oh, yeah. Your algorithm are different than ours. Speaking of the algorithm, I watched all the cult docs this weekend and my algorithms are fucked up now. My YouTube is insane right now. What's your favorite cult one thing you saw?

You filled in the pyramid? There you go right there. What was the best one? The best one, I think, was the HBO one, I think. It was people. People did it. Yeah, that was the best one. Oh, that's a good one.

Is that the name of it? People did it. It was a people cult. People, the magazine, did a whole, it's a whole series about cults, but they did a specific one about Mark's experience. Oh, say less. Because I still ain't read about me. I sent you our residuals.

I thought I saw you in the background, one of the pictures, but I wasn't true. I still didn't read about me. It could have been. Residials? I will be watching this tonight. Yeah, yeah.

You get royalties on the dock. Only resists I got as hepatitis, man. That shit sounded insane, though. No, don't say that ever again. I'm glad you're all right. That shit sounded crazy. Yeah, they did some, yeah,

they did some awful thing. Like I said, nothing awful happened to me, so I didn't leave with anything that I didn't come with. Were you there to the end? You're still a survivor. Not the exact end. I left like maybe,

maybe like eight months before or nine months before. Like I got the call from Philly, like, yo, they locked him up. They got him. Oh, okay. Yeah, I got the call. I was in Philly with some of Philly kids. You were cool with the alien part? Uh, yeah.

Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially Atlanta chapters, right? I'm not trying to be funny. Oh, oh, because like AT aliens? No, but that shit was big in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah.

It was big, it was big everywhere. I mean, you know what it was? It was like, I believe it was possible. I think stuff is possible. Sure. There's no reason to believe aliens aren't possible. There's no science to. refute it. Now, if there was science to refute it

or thousands of years of evidence to refute it, I would feel differently. But if it's the idea that there's something in the world that I don't know. Sure. Got it. Yeah. I'm well with it. I think you guys should watch the docs. I should watch it. No, no. I told many didn't you watch. I watched. I watched all potato. Correct. And I'm looking

for more. What's it? And they're giving. Don't know. You text me the three you watch. Huh? Text me the three you watch. They put on the group chat. Yeah, but we talk about. Yeah, but yeah. If you go to the links, it's right in there. All right, say less. So that's what I'll do. Yeah.

Because I do want to see Mizz. I want to see Mizz. If you watch it, I will send you all some, some un-aird footage. I watched too many of those cult docs, so I can't remember them the way I'd like to. But the one where everybody's self-transitioned at a certain time. The Jim Jones one or the Heavensgate one? Yeah, Jim Jones was different. Yeah, and Guyana.

Was it that one? It might have been Heavens Gate, too. That was Heavens Gate was good. They thought the Nike's. It was heaven's good. The comic, and they were going to. Yeah. We used to watch that one

That was like on our Pinterest board Like when I was in the In the cold? Wait what? We used to talk about Excuse me? Not literally You don't watch other cult shit?

Yeah Yeah, nigga You got to get it They didn't realize that you were in one No, that's the voice That's watching game That's watching game

You gotta watch the game for this Yeah, that col is kicking our ass right now, you know You gotta turn this shit up Pyramids Fuck you're talking about No you know what it is When you look at the differences

So you be like You know what They're a cult and here's why And then they point out the things that we don't do to show while we're not a cult. How was the nightclub? Club Ramesses. You know, I was the driver for Club Ramesses.

Oh, my God. You all have to watch this stuff. I used to bring the acts. That's actually how I first got into like getting into music journalism was I started to meet the acts and we would drive up and I would interview them and talk to them and all those other shit. And I was like, oh, music is really dope. And I started getting into it.

But yeah, I love Club Ramesses until they shut it down. I promise y'all, I will not return to work without that. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm telling y'all, it's on the board like the thug interview. This is tonight. I'm going to learn about this guy right here. Oh, yeah, no, I'm in there.

No. Club Ramizis. I'm so, I'm amazed by. Pyramidia. I get it, Farrow. He was Farrow. Don't never call me far. Your vibe was weird.

And yes, everyone felt it. Oh, shit. Nice transition. Speaking of Atlanta. It's good. All right. So, here we are, face to face, a couple of silver espones. It's time.

How do you hide that shit in your mental world? I think that's one of the best things of all the time. Open and find together, we're going to find a way. And Homeboy that wrote that, I think, wrote like 17 of our favorite theme song. Most of the jingles were written by a handful of people. Yeah, including Alan Thick. He adds laps. Yeah, he adds laps.

Carol King wrote a lot too, I think. Johnny Mathis. I'm a fan of that type of stuff. Yo, that whole, all of them. Family ties, all of them. Those shit was all slaps. They were slaps. Yeah.

And as money. Carol King body, the Gilmore Girls. Carol King is like one of the greatest songwriters of a century. Dog, the facts of life. Yeah, the facts of life. Yeah, these are slaps. Yeah. Somebody's got to be creative

to come up with this stuff but anyway, we're off on the tangent. Young Thug Big Banks interview I text most of you asked you to watch it probably would have watched it It was a long watch

It was a long watch, it was three hours I wouldn't watch all of it if you hadn't assigned it for homework But I'm glad I did It was great It was really good interview It was one of my favorite hip-hop interviews in a long time

That wasn't on this platform of course Same. Yeah Same also And yo All right so the first 30 seconds, I was like, what the fuck Joe got me watching, right? Because I was like, I wanted to hear Thug, but I was like, who is this interviewer? Because I was like, this don't

seem like a traditional interview. He was amazing. So what I saw was a lot of my people that I know from Atlanta, even before this was announced saying, yo, bank got to be the one to interview Thug. Like, they were saying that, like, if he sits with somebody, it has to be him. Got you. So I didn't know why, because I'm not familiar

either, but I understood once I watched it. Well, without knowing any of, of that right just seeing him like i'm familiar with him from big facts okay but him by himself with all this knowledge just wealth of knowledge of all this Atlanta shit oh my god and he i love the the tone he set from the interview from start to finish yes from start to finish it wasn't just an interview it was you could tell he you can tell this person cares yeah it's therapy damn he talks with somebody that cares about you that cares about you

that cares about Atlanta, that cares about some of the people that are adversarial to you, like, it was great. This might have been my favorite piece of content since the Cadwilliam shit. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you.

And he didn't jump right into the street shit. He started with his childhood. He started with, like, Jeff. Like, I'm not even about it. Let's separate Jeffrey from Young Thug. Yeah. When did you first feel betrayal? What was your upbringing like?

Ask him his first memory. His first memory. I was like, That's a good motherfucker. Yeah, I was just like, yeah, I'm locked in. Immediately, I'm like, okay, not only has Bank been to therapy, but he's conducting a class in front of us. He did.

Yeah. We're not even starting this like an interview. We want to get to the start. Most therapists will start at the tip tip, tip, tip, tip, and let's see where you became you at. And when he told that story of his father, of his brother getting killed. in front of him and how he made sense of it because the story went in the direction

I didn't expect in terms of how his brother died and it was tragic and it was awful but to hear him talk about what he saw and what he had to witness and how that set him on his course

this explains so much to me and it also explains the kind of healing we got to do but that shit was it was fire yeah what he took from that right I don't even

so many plays so much I took from this sit down I don't even know where I want to start but what he took from that Even with the story about his sister, him wearing his sister's clothes. Clothes. And then she had to damn near drop out of school. It's like he's painting a very vivid picture up top.

Yeah. Of. But and what he took from that, like when he watched his brother die. Like he took that as the Holy Grail. Yeah. Of, oh, this is how we rocking now. Yeah. I want to start with, one, I feel him.

I feel him. Like now that he's spoken for himself, he too. He said a lot. All of the interviews I saw. He went over a lot. And even if I disagree with some of the things that he said and some of his trains of thought, I feel him. I understand how he got there.

And understand how he got there. And understand how he got there. it's not foreign to me. Also, I want to say he's brilliant. Yeah. And solid. Yo, I'm not going to lie. He is brilliant.

The shit that I saw. Like you're saying, I was feeling like I'm rocking with the nigga. He just seemed like I would befriend him. Like, if I grew up around him, you know what I mean? That would have been my man. Like, yo, we'd have been, you know what I'm saying?

Cool. I would have stayed farther far. walk away from him. However, you'd respect him. He's brilliant. Like, I always say that there's going to be some people from different walks of life that may not carry it the way you're used to them carrying it for society to identify you a certain way. You're going to run into the people with all the words. You're going to run into the people with all of degrees, you're going to run into the people with all the experience and the worldly travels. Some people process information differently.

His processor is different. That's what I got very early on in this. The way that he processes and retains information and then executes how to go about that, in this whatever adaptation is that he created is brilliant it is from all of that street shit to carrying it to all of the record label shit to identifying talent to helping the talent to helping that's the other thing that stood out for me about him

and he said it you can tell that he gets off helping others yeah yep and it makes sense of a lot of the phone calls that we've seen in regards to looking at people funny for not putting people on, you know, hearing it, people were alarmed and how dare you talk about so-and-so like this, but he's really about that. Yeah, that's who he is. And this whole interview, my main thing is, like, how absolutely necessary it was. Like, we've been sitting here tearing apart for all these phone conversations and tweets

and all that shit, but it's easy to do that if you don't know the whole picture. Yeah, you don't have everything in its entirety. And nobody heard his side. Yeah, right. Or his story, really. Yeah. Like fuck the sides in whatever beefs he's going through.

Like, what's your story? He got that out the way quick for me. I wasn't even near for that. Like, listen, and he said, well, I'm not quoting him. But he basically said, there were days in there that I was hopeless

and I didn't think, I didn't have optimism. Yeah. And I lost track of who I was, my character, And I was just talking. Yeah. I appreciated that.

Honesty. Accountability. Accountability. Vulnerability. Yeah. Vulnerability. I totally understood that. Go ahead.

No, go ahead. One of the takeaways for me because prior to the interview, he was getting killed online for saying, on one hand, it was I didn't tell my brother to take the plea. On the conversation with 21 Savage, no, I didn't tell him to take that plea. And then he says he told him. So they're like, oh, he's lying. Here's proof right here. His credibility is shot. The way he addressed that,

a person who ain't never been in that won't even understand it. Right. Like, he broke it down. Yo, dog, if I'm on a phone with this, nigga, and I say, yes, I told him to take the plea. That's not a charge. Right. So I got to, he don't even know the question he asking me.

I got to say no. Right. Like, I just like how he put a lot of shit to bed. Yeah. Like, some people might not believe him. That could be a, I believed him, but I can see. I believe them. But I'm just saying, at the very least he had to,

that was the best answer I could have imagined. I didn't know what he was going to say that. I believed him 100% in that. Me too. If I know what's happening and I say this, I'm already looking at this right here. I've been talking to my lawyer. My lawyer is him.

Yeah. Yeah, I know not to say that. You know what I'm saying? My worry was if he could, because he was saying now the trial's over, he can say that? And I was like, can you? I was more worried about him getting into more trouble afterward.

That's the only thing I was worried about with him having that conversation. But I believed him. And, like I said, I didn't expect that good of an answer for any of them. And it sounds like he's very aware of whether it's from his lawyer or not. Like, he's aware of what's legal or not legal. It sounds like he's got great guidance and a great head on his shoulders in general. So I wouldn't worry about that so much.

I said, now I'm super tight. I ain't watch that shit. But all the clips that I saw, they kind of resonated with me. And he sound like to, sometimes when somebody gets to a certain level of success, and you hear them speak you'd be like I can see a little bit

but no I could see how he could get to a certain level of success I see how he could also be a leader of people yeah like some people that could really really speak bro

like not trying to be funny all that cult shit a lot of times when you see politicians pimps preachers they can speak really really well to where

they'll pull you in and I can see how he could have a follow yeah if you uh if you were taking the time to understand everything he was trying to say there was some points where he was just talking in our language like he wasn't necessarily articulating what he was trying to say but you got it but you knew what he was trying to say um he got a point across i got a i got a lot of points to get to with this i'll start with some of the the more lighthearted points.

I already know. I'm just starting with I do have serious points to get you. Okay, got you. And this is serious too, but it's just on the lighthearted side of things. And y'all know me so well. Yep.

There's something to be said for those of y'all that are still fucking women that are starstruck. That phone call with Homegirl where I can't believe y'all are still fucking girls

that are star struck I will say though I'm with you in that particular phone call though he's locked up I know certain people that have been like you're just talking on the phone to whatever you can talk to

and I had this conversation yesterday I laughed like I didn't if he was out and that call happens yeah that's different I agree with that being locked in like that and making that call this goofy ass girl giggling and shit. There's only one problem with what you're saying,

but I want to address that problem after I finish talking about fucking bitches that are star-struck because that's a fair point. I want us to ping-pong that. I can't believe y'all are still fucking girls that are star-struck. The same way they say

it takes you 10 seconds, it takes a guy 10 seconds, 20 seconds to know if he would sleep with you or not. It only take the same amount of time to know who you should not be sleeping with. Like he clearly on the phone in jail trying to have phone sex. Clearly.

He's trying to get you there. You know what he's trying to do. He's like, yeah, girl, you're like, then what else get wet? And she's like, oh my God, I can't believe it's you. Yo dog, hang up hang up now. Hang up now. There's no reason to continue

talking and you got your dick in your hand and she's just on the phone giggling because you are who you are. Hey, from me to you, stop fucking the girl that star star struck over you. That's rule number One. Dangerous game. Rule number one.

It's dangerous. For y'all that don't have experience, you should not be doing it. I don't give a fuck how famous you are. It's dangerous and it's bad. There's a difference between fans and someone who starts. That's number one. Number two, we get to freeze this point.

Which typically would be correct. However, this is the same girl that had a fight with your girlfriend in a club. This is the same girl that your girlfriend has caught charges over. If you're telling me that you him, no, that's not the girl that you should be having phone sex with while you're in jail. What if you're looking at you? Nigger. No, I'm not crazy to anybody that want to keep their girl.

This is the point. I'm looking at life in jail. Whoopty doodle. Hey, he said it. Hey, oh, great. No, no, no. I know what he said about that. I'm talking about I'm in jail.

These niggas in jail will be writing the same exact letter to 40 girls. They tell every girl, you know, when I get out of here, it's me and you. I'm tired of the rest of the plane. playing the games. I know I was doing you X, Y, Z. It's me and you to the wills fall off. And that, and you can't do that to the girl that already fought your girl and has charges

pending with your girl. You are bugging. No, no. You are sitting here thinking with this logical brain, like you're outside. Like you're outside free moving around. No, I'm thinking with the brain is somebody that wants to keep their girl. And for what it and from what it looks like. Never coming home. You know, don't life me

to see, don't life jail me to death because clearly you are willing to sacrifice that and we'll get to that point later. But don't start, oh, I'm facing life in jail me to death. I'm not saying it like, whoa, it's him for that, but that's a reality.

That's a reality. If I'm here, I might never go home. So as many people that's going to send me some suit packs, some naked pictures, some whatever the fuck. Nigger, what you're talking about? Hey, let's pretend there's no right or wrong here. When your girl finds out, chances are that's kaput. See, and that's what I mean.

Hold up, none, because that's what I mean about men, men just making. No, it ain't. As it stands right now, as it stands. We don't need to have a passionate fight about it. As it stands right now, she's out of here. She's, they leave. We did this with Offset before. They leave.

And you say, they come back. At some point you get, we know they come back. At some point, you get to a point where you don't want to risk that with somebody. So, y'all keep talking all this macho machismo. This is not macho. You're talking this mature shit. You're talking about a logic that a nigger that is looking at life in prison don't have. You just said that he got in jail and he forgot who he was because there was days where he was hopeless.

It's time to start moving with logic. No, it's not. You are behind fucking bars. Anything that could free your mind from where you are. That's where you focus in your energy. You talking about it like a nigga outside moving around with millions of dollars. Yeah. Leave them groupy bitches alone.

Leave the fans alone. I'm sitting in here. You just said the nigger was going through mad, hopelessness and despair. Anybody that could put a smile on my face whether it's jerking my dick or sending me a picture, they're going to get some attention from me. You're accepting the collect call?

You're going to get some attention from me. You're talking like a nigger that's outside moving around with free choices. You go to McDonald's if you want. You can go to catch steak if you want. This nigger is sitting in a fucking box with limited options. Anybody that's willing to give me their time,

guess what they're going to get? My time. Yeah, y'all make a lot. excuses for decision-making. Y'all make a lot excuses for decision-making. Your decision-making is what got your stupid ass

in this fucking position. We're not talking about it. We're not talking about this. We're talking about him being in this decision. The crux of your argument starts with the position he's in. True. So your decision-making needs to be

fucking questioned. Joe. Dog, we're speaking. What? No, what? Listen to. Answer to what I'm saying. I'm about to.

When you go to the strip club every night, right? Or whenever you go, not every night, but when you go. Thanks, because that was sassy. Cool. No, no, no. I was like, rare.

Come on, keep it clean. Whenever you go to the strip club, right? You are putting yourself in a position for anything to happen to you. Cool. Once you're in the strip club and it happens, you deal with it right there. You don't go home and say, yo, I should have never been. Nigger, nigger punched me in the face in the strip club. Let's get it the fuck on.

You don't say, you know what? I should have never been here in the first place. It was my bad decision making lack of discernment. You get it the fuck on. He's in jail. Whatever got me here got me here. but I'm gonna deal with the circumstances why I'm here and I'm gonna make the best of it why the fuck I'm here

I'm not gonna sit back and say you know what I can't talk to this girl because this girl had to fight with my girl But let me ask you a question Fuck what? Let me ask you question though I mean I agree that you should always make the best choice You can make in that moment regardless of what happened to get you there I agree with you on that

But while I'm in prison and there's I don't know 50 million women in the world In this country whatever That's available Yeah these niggas sounds stupid Why not available mark I don't have they phone about I'm not going to touch with us They are available

Can you just say? They are available. I'm saying why don't I just take the one off the list that Fortune girl in the club? That's all I'm saying. Yeah, what are they talking about? I'm not saying that he can't. What I'm telling you is we are speaking

from a privileged state. No, I'm saying something a little different. Well, we're having the conversation here in a plush living room. I ain't trying to talk about it. We don't have a choice, but we are. What I'm saying is you got to put yourself in a position that he was in.

Right, but what I'm also saying is in addition to saying, well, even if you say he was going to get detention from whoever he wants, you could just take that one person off the list, But also, like, it seems to me that the discipline you need to not go to jail, the discipline you need to talk about who you told to take the charge or not, that discipline he's actively using the jail, he could also use regard to his dick. Like, he could also be in prison saying, you know what,

doing something that's going to piss my girl off and get her to walk away could also put me in further danger. Because having a lover who is scorn while you're in prison never works out good for. That knows your business. That knows your business is also a bad choice. So even if we just talk in business, it's a bad choice. And so the same way we're praising him for saying, and, you know, I had to lie about what happened with 21.

I had to lie about this. I had to lie about that. We could also criticize him for saying, yo, like. And again, I mean, dog, I'm speaking on a call that I don't think nobody's ever going to know about anyway. This is just a phone call. I don't think that these tapes is coming out. I'm waiting to see him suit the state. Like, that's a whole other thing.

I've been sitting here saying. He's talking about that in the interview a little bit. I've been sitting here saying, like, expecting privacy on a jail call already. But you're expecting privacy. But you're also going to jail. not expecting privacy from the world. Right. I get it.

People have explained, like, it's still rights. And I'm like, all right, if his rights have been violated, he should actually, he should sue. He should. And he talked about that interview a little bit, not so much of suing part, but, like, you know, he was saying that stuff kind of leaked like a year ago, that they stopped a lot of that from coming out. He said, somebody has it. But somebody has it. And that's the point. Somebody don't fuck with him.

They got the tapes. And even though he was able to, he said it's not on the website. He's not on the prison website. You can't go get them today. Right. But somebody got him. Somebody got him. Somebody don't fuck with him.

And it seems like they timed it. And that's what bank was kind of pushed them. Like, maybe their time in it to fuck with you in a certain way. He kind of ducked that a little bit to me or didn't take the question head on. But I'm curious to know who has that and also what else is coming out. So you do believe more is coming out. I do. Absolutely.

I believe it. Absolutely. I believe it. And I'm not sure the worst is come out. Yeah. I take it all with the greatest soul at this point. They just throwing the bullshit out to discredit. At this point, yeah.

To discredit his gangster. Oh, you're a gangster? Huh. Huh. Huh. Huh. This not. This not gangster.

bro, we never know what the fuck he was talking about on them phone calls and to whom. Well, that's the other thing that I'm a huge fan of in listening to him and just men across the country that put some type of stock or, I'm saying that wrong, that put all of the stock in just being a man,

I admire that. Now, how that comes through for each individual is different. Sure. Sure. So then it starts becoming about what is your perception of being a man. Yeah.

We're not a monolith. We're not a monolith. But it starts at being able to put tons of stock in being a man. For sure. Like there's some people that, that it's old school now. All you have is your balls and your word.

That's an old school thing, but it means something. You can tell, listening to him that if you take everything off the table being a man has a lot of out. Right. Yeah. And for him what I took

from him was that starts at taking care of your family. Yeah. He reiterated that a lot. Yeah. It starts there. He mentioned it when he was talking about his back

and forth with Lucci. He said, yo, I told him would do something to him, if not for how he took care of his family. I wasn't trolling. I meant that. He's important, how he provides, how he takes his kids to school. He said the same thing with P.

who he said, opi's shit about, but he said, I like that about P. He's taking care of his family. I love that about Thug. For my civilian ass, it contradicts street code.

Because I would think that you need to be there, step one is being there for your family. I would love to ask him how he honors that so much, but is willing to sacrifice it for so little. That's one of the

conundrums I've always had with, I've always had with streetnickers. It's a great area. It's a great area. Like, let's just say hypothetically your kids were starving. Like, you lost your job and you had to put food in the table for your kids. You would go do a crime that could potentially take you away from your kids,

to feed your kids. You get what I'm saying? So it's a real, real gray area that's not so black and white. But we got to start telling the truth with a lot of the crimes are not for that. No, right, right, bro, that's a hypothetical. And these kids are not starving and you're still doing crimes.

It's a hypothetical that I just put out. I get what you're saying. You get what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying. But there is other options to do it in your crime. It's rarely the only option. To some. You know what it is?

The other options might take a little bit longer. They're going to take longer. Yeah. And my kids are hungry right now. Or their pride is. My kid got to eat today. Or their pride hits. A lot of people are willing to go get the 9 to 5 or get the public assistance or do some of the things that you might have to do that.

My kid hungry today. Yeah. Yeah. My kid is hungry today. Right. And again, it could be an eviction notice. It could be a 9 to 5 person. It could be a 9 to 5 person that had a job.

We go to prison. Cheying up. Fuck that. If we go to prison. If we go to prison. See, that don't exist. This statement. President screams.

Oh shit, sorry. Cheying up, fuck that me. If we go to prison, the rest of all life, whoo-de-do, we go to prison. That statement don't exist in the universe I'm talking about. I understand what you're saying.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm saying for a lot of people. How cavalier that statement is even made, whoop-de-do. Where I come from, I understand that we come from two different places. Saying, we're going ahead.

Like, I'm having this conversation from where I come from. Mm-hmm. There is no, thing as and I think that our black leaders should start spreading a different message than if I throw my whole life away whoopty do and what are the virtues that I'm willing to do that over that we need a redoing that sure we do need a redoing that I agree but he's speaking not to us he's saying to those that choose to play this game you know what you're signing up for

you can't get in the game and now try to bat now and now that shit got hot you want to go against the rules if this is this is the risk you know the risk when you sign up for this game you play it if that happens it happens that's the way he's explaining that and i i i get that part and that's why i don't agree with it because i'm not a street nigger and that's why you those who play that game like yo this is what you sign up for if you sign up for there is a chance you could you could go and you got to stand on that's like you know my nigga if you play football all your life guess what's a possible you're you're going to you got to stand on your life guess what's a possible you're You get CT injury concussions. You can get Paraly. That's just a more more bullshit message that we spread I'm not disagree. I agree with that is bullshit.

We are in agreement with what the message should be and should not be. I'm not disagreeing what you both. If you play football, you can also wake up one day and be Calvin Johnson. True. The only option is not

if you're in the streets, you'll wake up one day and be hove. But that's what I'm, but that would contradict that. That would contradict that. I don't, I'm lost. I'm sick of hearing. Yo, the niggas that's in the street, that's the game you chose, that's the, that's the, that's

the, that's the life you pick. No, you could reserve the right to change your mind. I see. You're talking about three. You can reserve the right to change your mind. Oh, I said, you don't have to. You know, once in, blood out. The only way out is through death.

Got it. Please, I don't want to, I don't want to preach that. You're talking about snitching. He talking about the game. When I was in my, he was talking about. He's talking about success. I'm talking about reserving the right to change your mind and nothing else. When them gang niggas made their way to Jersey City and I was a team

and the popping thing to do was to join that and they start talking about what you in is for life. No. Now. No now. We was talking about something different. You talked about the Calvin Johnson point like, yo, if you play, if you take a risk and play football, yeah, CTE is on one hand, but you could wake up and be Patrick. Patrick Mahomes, on the other hand.

ICE is saying, yo, when you into the street life, yeah, jail or death is on one hand, but there's also positive possibility for success on the other hand. And that's what you can walk away from. I think the Calvin Johnson reference was walking away before you get to the point of C.T. And so to ICE's point, he bought in Jay-Z. I walked away. Hove ain't go to jail? Right.

Hove ain't caught no RICO charges or nothing. I see what you said. He went legit. But I think the message should be. The all of the game. Don't go in the game at all then. right because you don't have that much control over it right it's like you can't control when you get that hit that's going to get you CTE it could be on game one it's not like I'll just

play five years so I don't get hurt right right similarly you could get popped on the day two and selling dope exactly you can't control that so just don't fucking do it that's it just don't do it you don't got to deal with that problem or if you do understand the risks yeah like that's that's what I took from it like yo understand it is possible that this could happen now that it happens don't try to shy away from it right I know and again I get his mentality with that and I agree with what you just said it's just there's a way that when you hear it

romanticizes a little bit like when he's talking about his brother and how he's right he's like he just did 12 don't take this other bid he's like if you go in jail for life I'm going to jail for life and I'm like I get the loyalty and I admire

there's something about that but to a 19 year old listening to that that's all I'm saying like yo he's going out in the blaze of glory yeah meanwhile he's putting millions dollars in a lawyer to avoid not going to jail for life and most people can't

don't have that luxury you know what I agree with that um also what I saw on him is that carrying the type of resentment that he's carrying is heavy. Yeah. It's wearing on him and only him.

It seems like the whole gutters situation, he just seems sad. I was about to say, do you think it's resentment or more sadness? Yeah, it hurt. It's hurt. It's hurt. It looked like betrayal, bro.

Like, when you hear him saying, like, yo, dog, I was around this nigga damn there more than I was around my kids. Yeah. Like, I put mad shit And we, and we, and we, and we, and we, and we, and we, and we saying that he's a giver. Yeah. Right.

Pause. Like, if you keep, I'm giving you shit. I'm trying to make the best person, make you be the best person you could be. And then I feel like you betrayed me whether he did or he didn't. Right. There's some emotional shit there. Of course. For sure.

You all are all pulling the fruit out the same basket. Hurt, betrayal, resentment, sadness. All of it exists. And you still work for me. Right. So your success. benefits me that's a real tough internal struggle to be having like nigga I don't want you to be successful what I do well slow down there because in his in his version of things it's a lot more

love and a lot less business so he's saying multiple times how he's never made a dime off of Gunner's business. He said all he's done is spent money. Ashley, let me let me start there here. I understand his beef with Gunner now that he has explained it. I do not

agree with it. I understand it. I don't agree with it. Gotcha. But I understand it. And if I'm in his shoes, I might have that same beef. In his mind, whatever was said on that Alfred plea could have been used in court. And it

could have hurt me and had I not had this gone to trial that Alfred plea would have come up that's how he's carrying it yeah one two the hurt and the and the resentment uh he said he he paid for half his mother's half gunner's mother's for house the car for the brother the chae oh took care of all your people he bought everything yeah and let you present it however you wanted to present it. I invested all my money in you. I made you a millionaire. You did the Alfred plea.

You didn't communicate with me about it. Like, you don't think you owe me an explanation. That's what he kept saying. You don't think for as tight, hold on, let me just finish. For as tight as we were, for you to do that, one, you don't think you owe me an explanation. Two, if we don't talk, you got out. and didn't go by my mom's house.

Right. Yeah. You got out and didn't go drop some money off to my family. That was big. So I identified with him in that. I can identify with that. Hey, anybody in the world can say whatever they want. You, I'm talking about him to Gunna, you should be the last person.

Now, let me move off a little bit of pushback. One. How? Go ahead. one he did say i don't because bank asked him are you open to a conversation he said no he said no so how about how do i explain this to you if you won't have a conversation with me one two the part about my mom house and all of that right gonna immediately got out and everybody was on his head so maybe me popping up at your mom house around your people

might not be a good idea it's ways to get the money to you get the money to my family without you personally. They got electronics. Nigger, you could get them. You can have a woman. You can have a courier take a check to my mother's house. I'm going to bank wire. That's true. You need the information for a bank wire. Listen, go take this cash. He said it sounded like his dad put him on a group chat.

He could get the information. Like I said, I tap. You know, I'm standing there. Nigger, I helped by your mother's house. Yeah. My nigga, you know I'm spending millions of dollars because it was a bunch of them. And they seized a lot of his It was a bunch of them niggas on trial, that part, too.

But it was a bunch of them niggas on trial. So it wasn't like I'm just paying for myself. He potentially, seeing who he is as a provider, is paying for mad niggins on the shit. And Gunner said, I want to highlight that. You know, my dad put us both on a group thread against my wishes. But now you got my new number. You know how to reach me.

You know how to move with some of this stuff. And it's just not being done. And your album went crazy when you first got out. You went on tour You're successful Niggas go drop a million Go drop 100,000 200,000

Whatever the fuck you're gonna drop off Drop it off to my mother I'm with you It could be a courier You don't have to speak to my mother My mother might not want Nothing to say to you Have anything to say to you

You could drop some money off You could drop some assistance off If I read that for you He's right, bro He's right about that He's right bro Like I said I stand down Y'all are correct in that one

I feel him on that I'm not saying he's right I feel him I understand him and in his position maybe I say the same thing in my position I can't say that

tell me why why for the same reason that I condemned shoddy and numb for what they went through with six nine y'all inherited someone that was not from where y'all are from was not street

didn't know these lived by these codes. Y'all painted him to be a certain way. And when it came time for shit to get thick, he revealed who he is, which was a little Mexican kid from the outskirts of Brooklyn or whatever.

That's different. That's different. I'd love to finish. I'd love to finish. I'd love to finish. We're just talking. Yeah. Thug goes on to say everything I did for you was because your dad was my O.G. That's why I'm looking out for you this way.

Before he died, he told me, yo, take care of my son. Wherever you go, take him with you. I'm following the orders given to me. In that, if you was that tight with his father, because that is how you painted it, and y'all had that talk about this kid, then this kid is not next to you because he's so street. Actually, it's quite the opposite.

This kid is with you because dad said, hey, you know what time it is. Look out for this one. He actually went on to say, see, this is where he contradicted himself a few times. He went on to say, I'm judging you like a street nigger. What you say in your raps and what you portray in your raps

and the things I hear you say around, me, you talk like a street nigger. I think that totally contradicts how what you should have known from being close with his dad. Not the same. This ain't no street nigger. And for Thug to say, I'm taking your portrayal

as such, goes against everything that's happening in hip-hop from the fucking start of it. Niggas get on these songs and lie. You cannot strip an artist of the ability to get on a song and tell a lie. And you know who the number one liar is?

And music is the civilian like me that's signed to a street nigger like you. That is the number one liar in hip hop. You ain't about to change the course of shit from how you view things. No, you was moving a certain way. His dad carried it a certain way. And now you're putting that onus on him.

And when it's time to show up like that, he can't show up like that because it's not in his fucking fabric. Yeah. It's too. But you're conflating two things to me. I'm sorry. How so?

I think we're about say the same thing. but I think that's true for the Alford plea point. Yes. It's not true for the humanistic point. Exactly. I'm going to take my mother's fucking money. That's what I'm saying. If I'm from the suburbs, I ain't never seen a street.

Let me ask you all one question. And you did that much for me. And I come home and I got this much money and you locked up. And I know, and all that shit, I should be doing something decent for you just as a person. Fuck the street shit. The streets ain't the only place you do decent for people. But I feel you on the- I never said nothing about that. No, no.

I'm not talking about your expectations of what should be done. I'm talking about your expectations of a person. No, no, I'm with you. What I'm saying is there's two things here. One is how he did the legal shit, and then there's what he did when he came home. Doug said he's upset about not contacting him,

not reaching out to him, not being transparent about the Alford plea, and he's saying I'm upset about how you carried it when you came home and I was still locked up in terms of not taking care of my family, not sending money, all of that. I'm saying putting street expectations on him is unfair, and that's why you shouldn't be surprised

that he did the legal shit. But I don't think it's just a street expectation to give somebody money or give my mom some money to help my family when I'm locked up. Let me ask you real quick though. If you got like that, I would want Ian Schwartzman to do that for you.

You see what I'm saying? That's just being human. That's just like we people. Nah, you're missing one part though. I just got out of Mariko with y'all. So now following the money, that could open me up to some shit too at the same time. I'm just saying, find the way, bro.

I'm just saying, find the way. I hear you. But now I go drop a million to your moms. I'm on tour. I'm just saying give what you can do something. I don't know. That point, what you're saying, what you're saying is now.

really negating what I'm saying I understand what you're saying freeze I'm sorry go ahead go ahead go ahead I don't understand what you're saying but clearly they have representatives properly represent yeah he has representatives that someone could find a loophole to make sure this gets done you're on my label this is a whatever some fucking what's the shit y'all got paid back

360 yeah along those lines like it's gonna be advanced I'm giving back you can make it to where I owe him this money I was just thinking that one of his professionals until your other point your point is valid unless and this is a we don't know this to be true

you grew up under this man I know how this man give it up I hear what you saying around me fuck the raps I hear what you saying around me every single day so I'm assuming that you came from this tree you saying this type of shit

this is how you are as a man and as a person stop it stop it stop it I'm not going to on one hand say that street niggers are as brilliant as I view them to be and then say they keep getting tricked by niggas that's not the street as them. Them two is not going to coexist

for me. I think the street niggas I think street niggas are you would have to show me that. I think street niggas Sammy the Bull rat it. It's been happening since the beginning of time. This nigga had a body count like a fucking the city morgue got his name on it. We're not having the same talk.

Sammy the Bull was into what they was into and he tanny flipped. I know. I I'm talking about street niggas having an inability to tell when someone is not like them at all. I am not exonerating them for intermingling with people that are not from where they're from. And it's gun and shit is a prime example of that to me. It is a prime example of that to me. And he went as far as to say that. He was saying, I believe the raps.

Okay, well, that's another one of the decisions that was off. But you also said, yo, I believe what he's saying around me. Fuck rap, because the rap is rap. Those are lyrics. I'm talking about when we are outside, when we're in the mall, I'm hanging around you every fucking day, and you are saying you stand on these principles. And I know I stand on these principles.

So why, who am I to not believe you being not? I don't know who your dad was. The person that is only calculated. If I'm around you every day, I can see some of the shit. Yeah, I don't. If you're living this or not. Thank you, Ice. The person that...

If I'm around you every single day, I kind of know you a little bit. The person that's only calculating of what somebody said. Not your words. So to my point, John Gotti didn't see it that Sammy the Bull was a rap? Sammy the Bull put in work, is you? No, I wish you let us have this talk. You didn't see it. I wish you let us have this talk.

Sammy the Bull was a rat. I mean, Sammy the Bull was a rap, but he put in work. Yeah, we said that, this conversation is not about putting in your work. You got a nitty no work, but talking about it. Yeah, I do. Explain it to him. I think he said that even as a street nigger, things that are going to go past. You're all saying that like if you're a bona fide street nigga, you got discernment.

Yeah. And I think there's something you can discern Like you should be able to look at Gunner and say He's not going to stand tall on the stand He's not going to stand in the police room He's going to tell He's going to do whatever right I'm with you on that

And I'm not exonerating him on that But what I heard thugs say was That wasn't the thing that pissed That hurt his feelings so much The shit that hurt his feelings was What happened when he came home And to me the shit that happened when he came home When Gunna came home

Is not about being a street nigga Ohson we read that wrong There's a gumbo pot of shit that is hurting him about gunner's action. For sure. It's all of it together. I'm not putting more weight on what happened when he was free than what happened before.

He's hurt, period. I agree with you. I'm excited with Mark on this one. I feel like the personal shit probably hurt it more than the legal shit. Personally, that's how I took it. That's how I heard it, yeah. All right, now I'm going to put myself in gun and shoes.

I'm still saying it is unfair for Thug to hear records and put a certain identity on Gunna and in the record I'm telling y'all as Not fear not right No now we're treating Gunner as civilian Not non-street nigga even though he was saying that This is what we took from it

That person Who Non-street nigger don't play those games Even if I hang around it Get my first close call With it I get caught up in a RICO almost on life And I make it out

I'm gonna be honest I'm not talking to none of you I guess ever again. Nobody associated with you. Then you still put music out on my... I mean, I have that... I'm putting music out. I can't do it no other way.

Cool. I'm not talking to you to put my music out. That's my point. I'm trying to get off the label. Remember, when he first got out, it was, yo, he's leaving going to this label. That's interesting. He's just going to this.

Hey, he, they even spoke about before on one of the leak calls that Gunner was trying to leave and go sign with the weekend. So I'm trying to get away from y'all. Because y'all into some shit that I might not want to get down with. And that don't have nothing to do. We're acknowledging a nigger that has helped you and your fucking family for the better part of a decade.

And, yo, dog, the two things don't have to intermingle, bro. I'm telling you, they kind of do. That kind of leads to my next point. That's a great segue. That kind of leads seamlessly into my next point, which is, if you're doing business, then you should do business. There's this fake, this fake lore in street nigger world

that says because you love somebody, you just got to bend over backwards for them for your whole life or go outside of the paperwork. If you're doing business, do the business. Thug is saying, yo, I never took a dime from him.

Because I'm agreeing what you just said. But Thug himself is saying, I never took a dime, I never took a dime, I never took a dime, I never took a dime, I never took a dime, all I did was pour in, all I did was pouring, all I did was spend, my own money, not what people, did with baby where a baby popped

off immediately. Gunna took time to pop up. I'm spending my own money to get him popping and I never took a dime, but I paid for this and I paid for his mom and I paid for his brother and I paid for this and I paid for this. Dog, you creating your own fucking world of misery. Gunna is a popping artist. He's signed to

you. I don't give a fuck that you knew his dad. Do the business that the paper says so you're not just carrying around certain shit because you love him. Take the money That is old to you. Now, I feel him on, yo, my old manager, hold up.

My old manager did that, the gun of contract. So the contract says I get 50% of everything. I wouldn't have done things like that because I love him. Well, guess what? Amended then. Amended. You cannot say that you're doing business with somebody and keep bypassing. This has to be addressed.

It's got to be addressed at some point. When does the money get right? Tell me how the money gets right doing it the way the thugs at. I will also say that, unfortunately, too, when you do a lot of nice things for people, it might not come back. It ever. You know what I mean? You got to be okay with that.

Like, you've got to be kind of okay with that. Yeah, you do. But what's nice things in the music business? That still don't mean that you don't feel a type of way when they don't do the nice things for you. Especially when they have an opportunity to and you actually need it. Bro, let me tell you something. God forbid, anybody in this room, if something happened to y'all and I had some money, to help your family

my nigga it's a no-brainer to me if your kids needed to go to college and I can afford to college it's a no fucking brainer for me and ain't none of y'all help me in a manner in which he's saying he helped Gunner like some shit is just humanistic shit

bro I don't care about street shit I don't care about suburban shit some shit is just decent human being shit and we keep conflating it too like if you're a street person you can't be a decent human being bro some of this shit is just no brain of grown man shit

You're right. And I don't see a gray line there for me. The gray line is if I almost lost, again, I'm on an island with that. You almost lost your life, but I also gave you a life. I understand that. So, nigger, help my family because I helped your fucking family. I agree with ISIS. You shouldn't be compelled to do something that can put you back in the box.

But there are, supporting somebody saying giving somebody some money, giving their mom some money isn't illegal. You know what I mean? And if it were fuzzy looking, funny looking, and then you should find a way around. There's a way around. Yeah, there's a way around. That's all I would say.

But I agree. You don't owe him shit in terms of getting back into legal trouble. But supporting somebody, that's just what it is. I mean, another contradiction I won't, I don't quite understand.

I know we got to get the prize picks, but I'm going to finish these points and then have some fun after the ad. Let's get it. From my POV, from my POV, he should be buying Woody a bottle with champagne every day. Indeed.

Yeah. I agree with that. Yes. See, Street nigger rules is saying something else. Yes. Street nigger rules is saying that Woody's a rat. Yeah. Woody's a rat.

Woody's a rat. Woody's a rat. And guess what? Rudy, Woody may be a rat. However, from what I took from Thugs' own words was Woody was an unindicted cold conspirator. Which means he got to say one thing in the interrogation room, which made them think they had you lined up like a duck. And when he hit the stand, he spun him.

Yep, he did. And if he didn't spend them, you will be gone. He sound like the lone person that could have put you up for life. That is true. I agree with that. He didn't do that. Hey, I'm not a street, nigger. I had Wi-Fi that day.

And I seen Woody up there saying, no. That day, no. They got a whole compilation clip of Woody just fucking with him. I don't know I don't want to talk about this That's wrong Making jokes I forgot

I forgot is my favorite Don't remember I'm hungry I'm hungry I need something to eat What time's lunch Yo was she wearing Oh she stink

Come over here with that He was all antics He was all antics So for me For you to come home And still be on The Fuck Woody Brigade As a civilian

From where I say I don't understand that I don't understand that That street nigger shit It's complicated. It's algebra. It's street algebra. So I'm going to get it.

That's nuts to me. And, and you yourself acknowledge the spin. See, that's where I had it wrong at. You was in the room saying you was flirting with the cop and saying, I was trying to spin the cops. Yeah. Here's the thing about you being a spinner. If you acknowledge you're a spinner, then you're acknowledging that the game is to

spin and you could possibly be spun so that if we're not looking at you like a rat for saying hey anything you need call my phone don't tell nobody. If we're taking him at his word which is I was spinning him then why wouldn't the same apply for Woody? Because it was

backwards. No it wasn't. He got in the interrogation and said one thing and then he hit the stand. So that's spent you're in the spin game is what I'm saying. This is my opinion. Tell me. If you get in an interrogation room

and you start giving out real information of things that took place, right? And you giving them, yo. After immunity. That's important. Yes. I know somebody. I have immunity.

I personally know somebody to do this. I'm telling you shit while I have immunity. Go ahead. Boom. You start giving information that furthers this investigation. You helped them put the body with the gun or you helped them put the shooter with the body.

You're giving them information, right? And then six, eight months later, you now get on the stand and say damn I don't even remember saying that yo I'm hungry you got some cheese bro you got what kind of shoes of them you still gave him that information that furthered that investigation

now when you got I think Woody is the star witness and Doug going free to be honest with you because he was making such a fucking mockery of the courtroom and of that prosecutor like it was almost like y'all are incompetent doing your job if Woody don't go up there and do that Doug is in jail for the rest of his life I would agree with you so and dog it's time for you to come out

and buy him a rib eye like Woody got arrested like in contempt yeah he was in contempt yeah he was making a mockery of the court bro for the better part of a week in a half we got to call it even I mean I get your point that you only in the box to do that because you already fucked up earlier but if you got me to the point

where I don't got to go to prison no more I don't know about a ribbibe at least be even at least jumbo shrimp at least a cocktail some type of not the jumbo yeah come on so the little you have me

the express the latte espresso shit the chocolate he's a little too mad and woody for me but okay he's like frank pantangelo and godfather it's like you but also you read it yeah you read it and then you then you you read it to save my life thank you you you ready you might not have to save my life but you didn't write and that's what I'm saying we even no shrimp for that we just even there's no time for that if we play the spin game I don't have time for that but you were non-indicted you didn't even have to go in there and say nothing but if we playing the spin game I can't do that

everybody can be spun which leads to my next point hold up that leads to my next point once you acknowledge you playing the spin game to me shit all bets are on which means for Gunna to even do that Alfred plea know what exists he may have been spun

Gunna got spun yeah he may have been spun he said that on one of the records or something he acknowledged that the lawyers so you acknowledge all of these variables you sitting there about to cry because you don't speak to this man you by your own

admittance are not releasing the quality of music that you normally do because the person that you hang out with every day is gone the person that you speak to every day is gone the person that you had the most fun with every day is gone I understand that

just not the way he's doing it I've been through that before hey nigger I put clothes on you I put car keys in your pocket. I bought you an iPhone. I bought you food. I went to work so you can have a place on earth. You bum-ass nigger. If anybody can say something about Joe, it shouldn't be you. I feel him on that. But guess what? When you make that decision, you're at peace with it. If everything you said is true, and now that, look, if everything you said it's true,

no, let me finish. If everything you said is true about this bum-ass nigger, you put the first million in this bum-ass nigger's pocket. He don't know what to do with himself unless you came and opened up the cat food. Put it in a little shit-tut-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. Hey, sometimes you mix it up

with the dry food. If the cat was good ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. You take the can chop it up, nigger. You got to be dead if niggas didn't do that for you. However, so I understand that part. And when you separate from niggas like that, you should be at peace. How long it take you to get to peace?

it ain't quick it wasn't quick nigga I know you I wouldn't hear the answer I wasn't talking about me I know you said you've been in that position sure but I wasn't right it works not you

not you big dog how did y'all put me in that man you did that's crazy right I'm asking you a question it wasn't overnight it was a countability bonus day exactly

yeah yeah it wasn't I answer you it wasn't overnight cool it wasn't overnight there you go he's he's been out of jail less than a year that don't really respond to what I'm saying he sounds like

I want to speak to gunner he said he wouldn't speak to him I know he sounds like he sound like he he sounds like he can't even be himself if he don't speak to him it sounds like he needs to yeah he sounds like he might want to and if you're like he's putting you on a group chat

it sounds like other people are aware of this too and then you got the nerve to tell me that you excused mad other niggins for this. He then went on to say, hey, other people did this. I loved them and I told them to do it, so I'm at peace with it.

Nothing came of that. My nigga, are you spinning me right now? But also, they were putting that position because he put in everything he said. I did that. I'm speaking from where I sit. Not where he said. I get it too. I get it too. But because they did it because he did it. They have no choice. Yeah. You backed

everybody back up against the wall. Once you do that. Now, we We got to make these other moves. We might not have had to do none of this had you not said that. Right. That's what I was trying to tell you the other day with me. I was arguing. I was like, yo, bro, if they ain't do that, because he said, no, we ain't, no. And I acknowledge that.

What are we young love? What was Wyatt's a hell? Youth, something leadership. Bro, you went and then put gang on our back. So now, again, we hear. You put us in a position. now where we got to watch for the left hook because you made

that happen you get what I'm saying so now we got to play defense about like yo listen bro I'm not no street nigga I get everything what he's saying and I also understand what y'all saying but dog you can't if you fuck my girl and you my man you fuck my girl she fucked you back

no I didn't you're both wrong you know what I'm saying y'all both wrong just some hooker but one shit she wasn't my girl I'm a kiss. Yes, she was. That's cool. Yes, she was.

Oh, she wasn't? That's your boo-bubu-stink. When I kissed that she was. You can't fuck my girl. You can't fuck my girl. I wouldn't want you. You're my friend, is she. You are my friend.

Anyway. You think I want to fuck you? Like, don't do that. Yo, anyway. I kissed her, though. She wasn't my girl. You all the motherfucker going. You're my tongue.

So what I'm saying is, like, dog, we hear now. You know what I'm saying? We hear now. So it's not about what could or should have happened. This happened. We got to defend ourselves against that. that's all I'm saying like yo dog we'd be looking at the bro that nigger it's some biker group it was like 70 white bikers

I don't know if y'all heard about it they all got locked up at the same time nobody nobody read it nobody said the word this internet story bro everybody came home I'm just saying everybody came home so if y'all was following that to thugs point we all could have came home but y'all niggas started breaking and because y'all started breaking I had to start modifying what I had to do to make sure everybody landed somewhat in the best position. I also disagree with Doug talking about, yo, it's

nine terabytes of evidence against us. Gunner's name is on one page. Go sit tight, but he couldn't do that because he wanted to get home and see a hole or be with his family or just go home. And I'm like,

yeah, what does Doug not understand about that? Yes. Yes. Back to my point about you fucking with people that's not the fabric that you're from. Yes. My name is on one page and they got nine terabytes on you

and I have to say this to go home and I might have been spun to think that this can't be used against my brother. Yes, I'm doing that. I just wanted to tell you the line that he did address that on. You start ferelland? He said lawyers in the DA did some sneaky shit. I fell for it.

All my P's and Q's this time I'll be prepared for it. So he got Know how he'll be prepared for it by never putting himself in that position again. Exactly. And that's one of the main differences I see between Gunner and Thug.

Gunner has come home and completely changed his life around. It reminds me of me when I almost got shot in the head but the gun jammed. Like once God give you that type of chance, you look back at how you've been living and if you're lucky, you say,

you know what? Lesson learned. Gotcha. lesson learned. I heard you. I heard you. That won't happen again. And that's what it looks like from Gunner

and the music sounds good and he's seeing success from that. Thug looks like the complete opposite of that. Somebody who's not producing to the best of his ability, who's not having the best of sleep at night, whose girl done lost him now, who some of the street niggas

is looking at him funny because, hey, what was you doing in there? Oh, you was telling jokes? Some of them don't understand. You was telling jokes in that room or you was trying to, like, Like, it's a lot going on with him. But if you had just came home and decided to just live a different way,

I think you avoid some of this stuff. Thug looks like he came home and not saying actively, but it's still focused on street shit. Yes, that's what it looks like. And that's a big, that's all it is. And that's where his stresses are coming. And that's it. Banks didn't say that.

And he said some of his energy coming back to you because you's carrying it this way. I thought that's great point. We got to get banks all the credit in the world. He pushed back. He held him accountable this entire. entire time and he said to him hold on now

hold on now hold on that slime I got this hold on now hold on that slime yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah he said to him you know we're all millionaires like sometimes

you need people to repeat what you're saying back to you yeah right yo do you hear

what you saying everybody that you name is a millionaire at what point what more do you need to see

you did it you escaped I know you operating from trauma but you escaped what more does God need to show you

for you to choose a different path You know the crazy part On one of the leaked tapes He called Gucci Soft And look at how Gucci And look at how Gucci Look what That should be your example

The nigga that was there Through all of that Went to jail Made it back home Turn my life around I can walk away from this shit That is a From Atlanta

That's your That's an example Right there in front of you That ain't Hove, that ain't New York That ain't the West Coast That's a nigga right here That you know The nigga that put you on

That said Oh shit, look how he did it That's what I need to do The Lord of the game That's why I said earlier The Lord of the gang That I disagreed with from Thugger But I think for the most part

We got it all out Yeah Just one more tiny thing He works with gay people did you know that hey come mark run the clip nigga you gotta want the clip

I got the clip to say that you all was gay I wasn't getting it I wasn't getting it to highlight I know I was gonna be used that's why you said that that's why I got it

there's never be no more pause he's going to hit that clip I don't have no problem with gay people gay people work for me right now I'm damn that around gay people every day because they work for me I don't got no problem with them but you know what the rest of the clues

and I know you want to address it so I saw on you I don't care that much. I was setting you up for the clip. Well, y'all don't have a laptop. You only brought your iPad to work for two weeks. Then you stopped. Yeah, I did.

So you can't. You used to have it. You used to be able to do the phone. I could still do it. We haven't. I could still do it. I could still do it. I can't.

I could still do it. Come on. Let us fight. That's what you wanted. You're trying to give me to fight with my brother? Yes, yes. That's exactly what I want. I know you want to speak to.

I mean, it was important, but I don't think it was the most important part of interview. I actually thought you wanted to speak to it because I saw you because I heard the clip earlier. Oh no, that clip was only to call y'all gay. In future episodes. I had nothing to say. I know what he was attempting to say. Do I agree with that? No, but I know

what he was trying to say. Like, this wasn't an interview for me to get caught up in the semantics or to try to get offended. It was for me to try to understand. And I think we do that too much it. Like, especially now in society where we'll look to do one before we do for the other. And I wasn't going to do that with the other. I really wanted to hear from

somebody in his position which only he could speak from and I left with a greater understanding of that and that's why look and that's why more artists should do that. More artists should sit down and speak because I'd never come away with I'd never come away with this. He didn't do that. He's a human being. Look at the power of hip-hop. No, what type of human being

it was. True. Not I'm saying some of these interviews will humanize you to a point where it's like, oh shit, I got it now. And this is what I was saying about artists who I won't name because we get the whole episode without naming him. When I said I wanted them to go to a hip hop media outlet. I said it can be a

home game. It could be somebody you fuck with, but it has to be somebody you fuck with that will still hold you accountable and still make you ask, answer tough questions. And that's what we saw today. He answered tough questions for somebody who loves and respects him and who is loved and respected. Everybody hasn't gotten to a first step. Yeah, I think he has no choice too. Yeah. Everybody hasn't gotten to

I'm looking for accountability for myself. I'm holding a mirror up. Everybody's not especially in artist's land. In artist's land, we get to build whatever persona we want to have that's not ourselves. That's really. That's the fact. And we get to boost them up. We get to make them confident. We get to make them

strong. Little Sims characters. Yeah. Pretty much. That's what it is. And the bigger you are, the more powerful your character is. And the more you can hide your real shit. But that's what frustrates me because sometimes it's like I'm an artist and I have

this thing about me. I have a flaw. I have a crisis. I have a scandal. Whatever the thing is. And you have a team around you to figure out how to hide it, to make it look better to deodorize it. And sometimes the wildest thing you could do, the thing they never consider it. Talk about it.

Yeah, just talk about it. And tell the truth about it. Like him saying, yo, I was in this cell. I didn't know what was going to happen to me. I was fucked up. I was on the phone. And I did some shit I never did before. Niggas like, oh, yeah.

Okay, cool. Like, I get it. I don't love it, but I get it. Artists don't do that enough. They're always trying to fix or hide it instead of just owning it. To me. I think it's human beings in general.

For sure. We've said everything that we've needed to say on this. I just want to close with you should not tell your side chick that has already fought your queen that you want to have babies with her when you come home.

I think that's solid advice for everybody. That's good advice. I want to slew bank again. That was amazing. Now, let's hit the round of applause for bank. Absolutely. Let's hit the round of flaws for bank and regional interviews

and how important they are. Yeah? Regional interviews are just as important as regional music. Word. Bank, thank you so much. Word, salute.

You really helped me to understand. Thank you for caring about that, brother. Yes. Thank you for caring about the scene in Atlanta, right? And I'm off of this, but Bank kept getting him back to how do we fix this as Atlanta? He kept bearing off. No, they got something. He brought him right back.

They got something down there. Yo. Yeah. How do we fix this? They got a, even when we talked to Ray at your birthday party. Yeah. Like, when they talk Atlanta, like, they talk. Atlanta like they have yeah

they really care this ain't business this ain't just I'm trying to be popular or whatever to get this I give a fuck my like how you talk about hip hop passionate because you really love this shit and care that's how they speak about Atlanta they do Atlanta special they do

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shit during our series. I know he's calling for. Yeah, I know he's calling for. Yeah, hello. Grand Rises, King. Grand Risen. Grand Risen. Peace and love.

Peace and love. You still lie in my leg. Come up, brother. Love and tranquility to the cast, to everybody. Hope everybody doing good. We're doing good. We're doing good. We're just in the middle of a very intense young thug talk.

Oh, shit. Yeah, no, but it's cool. You are a guy to all the 520 guys. All of y'all are guys. Joe, don't do that, Joe. Don't do that, Joe. Don't do that. Hey, yeah, what's up now?

What's up now? What'd you call him where? I just wanted to check on my man Parks, man. Man, you know, I ain't, you know, I ain't heard from him or nothing, you know. That's my God, man. I responded to you, Zee. Yeah, I said you, you're going to shoot this stray at ice. Nah, I was no stray.

I was just thanking you. Parks don't love it, squad. How are you going to start, top of him? And Rican Wado and the coach defense. You was good either way. It's called hedging your bets, my friend. Huh. Feeling real good out there after Danny Dimes went on.

Danny Dimes out there looking like motherfucking Joe Montana, ain't he? Yeah. Oh, niggum. Hey, look, don't see, see. You start in trouble. Don't do that, Joe. Look, that's my guy. Look, one week.

But I would tell you, though, a little different vibes in here than last time. Different side of week one. We used to lose it. Yeah, yeah. No, no, I thought about you. I thought about you. because I know how crazy I came to opening

game out there last season and the vibe was a little different. So I thought about you after a good win, good quarterback play. I'm happy for you all out there. I appreciate it, man. Giants, I don't watch. Y'all played this week?

Y'all played? Y'all had a vibe. That's crazy. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Hey, hey, we're waiting on Jackson. dark. We wait on Jackson dart. That's all. You're waiting on somebody here. That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to my guy, Bobby Odo. You know, shout.

Yo, are you just going to call and troll us? That's it. Yeah. No, I miss y'all. Man, I just, bro. I'm just trying to say hello. You're not. Hello, you ain't lying to Richie, nigga. Come on, bro. Who y'all got, who y'all got this week? We got Denver.

Oh, they had a humble him. That'll humble them. They're going to be Denver. I mean, look, somebody got too, I guess. Yeah. Where's the game at? Probably in Denver. Where's the game at, Z?

It's at home. 4 o'clock. Yeah. Yeah, they got to be. Yeah, they got to be. Yo, make sure you call in next week at this time. Hey, do me a favor. Don't get missing.

Like, don't get missing next week around the time. You heard? And, look, call it the Grand Ronson. Right. You're going to call me, so. Hold on for sure. What? Yeah, you got that right.

And answer. How about saying? Listen, enjoy your week. Enjoy your week out there, man. Congrats on the big win. Likewise, my brother. Congrats. Hey, yo, you can come to New York sometime, man.

That's true. I'm trying to. Damn, niggas don't pardon no more. He don't even come. Is he allowed? Is he allowed for me? No, next time I'm pulling, I'm pulling right up on you. I'm gonna do an eight hour day, bro.

Yeah, I'm saying. Nah, I know where to pull up on you at. You hurt? You hurt? Yeah. See, I love my wife. Don't do that thing. It's different.

Z, we love you, man. I talk to you soon. All right, how old at you, y'all? Later. That was funny. Ooh, good sports weekend, y'all. Who was it? Yes, it was.

I know we talked about NFL a little bit. So you all... Where did Caitlin Clark take a piss? Come on, Mark. Tell us. Well, I'm glad you asked. I wasn't going to mention Caitlin Clark. But since we're mentioning WNBA players

or women's basketball players. The Basketball Hall of Fame had its newest inductees this weekend. Some of the headliners, of course, there were some people who didn't get a lot of credit. I want to shout them out. Danny Crawford, one of the greatest referees of all time,

was inducted. Coach Billy Donovan was inducted. Sue Byrd and Maya Moore, two of the greatest women's athletes of all time, or just athletes of all time were inducted. And of course, the headliners in terms of players were Carmelo, Anthony, and Dwight Howard,

who were inducted for their individual basketball careers. Dwight Howard, of course, it was extra special to him because he was left off the NBA 75th anniversary team. Oh, I thought you're about to say because they threw a green dildo on stage.

Well, it's funny you say that because he said to go into Hall of Fame twice in the same year, man, it's like God said, I'm going to double pound you with a blessing. Dwight. Dwight.

Hey, big dog. There were other ways to get your point across. Hey, I've been in a lot of churches. grandma was into all that one thing I've never heard was double pounding the double pound I never heard him pounding

he pound to bless yeah but but that said his allusion to the double pounding was referring to the fact that he went in as an individual player and part of the 2008 redeem team which included several other many other players I don't even like him

redeeming like that's even nasty everything is fucking creepy now but we can't redeem Also part of the Redive team were Chris Paul and LeBron James Which is a big deal Because they have the first two players

In the history of basketball NBA players To be inducted to the Hall of Fame While they're active players That's a big deal It also speaks to their longevity That they were able to play long enough To do that

So shout out to them And of course Carmelo Anthony Yeah Nick Legend Nick Legend And Denver legend even though Denver refuses to acknowledge it. And Carmelo won't acknowledge it either

because of how George Carl was carrying it and his time in Denver. But not only is he a Nick Legend, he is a Nugget Legend. He's a Denver legend. Absolutely. I don't know what they're going to do that number seven situation.

What number seven situation? 15. I mean, 15. With Joker. No, no, no, we know what they're going to do? What they're going to do? Hang up the Joker's Jersey. Is there a way to do both?

No. No. It should be. It should be. Yeah, like you can just. make new rules. The proper thing to do would be to acknowledge that. It would have been to retire Mello's jersey, number

15, and to retire Joker's jersey in the future, because he's not even eligible for that. He'll be playing for a while. Like, you could have done both. Yeah, and I don't think Denver did that to disrespect Mello. I think he was a second round. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. Yokich was a second round pick. I don't think... It could have been retired before...

I'm not talking about Joker. I'm with you there. He's just amazing. They did it to be a dick, though. They're being dicks with him. Now they are, but I'm just saying when they gave him the number, they probably assume Yokic wouldn't be a guy who wouldn't be a competition. Outside of the number, the number.

They are and have been being dicks to Carmelo Anthony. I agree a thousand percent. Yeah, no, they've treated him like he wasn't a legend. I got another Carmelo question for y'all too, but he gave a speech. I thought it was a wonderful speech, Carmelo Anthony,

as he got inducted into the Hall of Fame. It was also good to see AI on stage is one of the people welcome. The middle of the pod is when Mark takes us to Pierceland. I see, I know where he going before he even go. You see it? He bring in a topic that is only, going to get us canceled?

You don't even know what I'm about to say. I think I do exactly. Tell me, Joe. I'll tell you if I'm right. During his speech, he shouted out Puerto Rico. Yes. I'm glad you were listening. During the morning briefings.

Go ahead. No, he shot up Puerto Rico. He said, you know, as a tribute to his father who was Puerto Rican, he shouted at the island of Puerto Rico. He did all this stuff. And a lot of people were upset about it. I wasn't particularly upset about it. But a lot of people were upset about him shouting out Puerto Rico.

They're like, Puerto Rico didn't do nothing for you. You didn't grow up there. Why the fuck are you? He mentioned in Puerto Rico. Because if it wasn't for Puerto Rico, I wouldn't exist. So, yeah, let me shut them out. Well, I don't see the problem. What's the problem?

I think maybe black people felt left out. It is a problem. It is a problem. Tell me what, Joe. Please tell me. Here we get. Here's where he gets canceled, Joe. I'm trying not to fall for the beat.

It's too late. Come on the FBI. This is the same thing. I'm not saying I have a problem with it. I'm saying I acknowledge what they're saying the problem is, which is the same thing that they got that actress girl for. The young actress girl, that's amazing. that looks black

that has taken mad black roles. Yeah, she's taking all of these black roles looks black, was broken by blacks. That's how black people feel. And then when she won the award, she'd get up there and talk about, uh, oh, oh. Dominicana. Yeah, so she started talking Spanish.

Oh, my great grandmother was Puerto Rico. Yeah, girl, shut the fuck up. We don't want to hear that shit right now. So it's the same thing with Carmelo. Nigger, nobody in Syracuse, 34th Street. Nobody, nowhere you've ever been, looked at you and said a Puerto Rican word. Nobody. That don't change your roots.

However, don't get pushed to the fucking top of the mountain tops and then get up there talk about a Puerto Rico. Oh! A Puerto Rico. Save that for Fat Joe and them niggas. You... You're angering Ammani right now. He's mad at his shit.

Imani know he got 20 years of ignorance. But, I mean, we would have had to face this if he were Hall of Fame work. Like, we're talking about, we're talking. Why are you coming to swing? Wait. He's in a part of the month club now. I got ride with him.

No, that's fucked up. Yeah, took it from you. Yeah, acknowledge it. He took it from you. He got half of one. He got half of one. He took it from you. And made merch off of you.

And made. And made merch on you. You were here with my legal team about that merch shit, man. That's just unauthorized merch, by the way. Assuming every one of your niggins. I'm not saying I feel like that about Carmelo. But you understand the right.

Black people are possessive. The same way white people are possessive. They don't went around and took all the fucking seasonings. No, they took people. I'm sorry, don't know. They possesses it. That was a good one. Well, you're not.

That was a great one. You're over there, John. You're all over here jumping rope and shit. Wait, what the fuck are y'all doing? Anyway, black people are possessing. Go ahead, Ish. You got a racist joke. Two ropes.

Yo, he's on a road today, man. Yeah, it's cool. I understand. I understand. My other Carmelo question for y'all was there was talk about a statue. And Carmelo says that he believes he should have a statue in front of the garden. I agree with Carmelo. I think he should have a statue.

I think there should be multiple statues. Yeah, what garden? Botanical. Come on, man. Does disrespect y'all have? It's not, I'm not disrespecting. I just want to tell y'all that this is the clip of this pod that he'll hear.

No, I understand that. Yo, my nigga, Carmelo Anthony. You don't be understanding that sometimes. No, Carmelo Anthony is great. He's listening to y'all. He's a great. Antoine. You don't think he deserves a statue?

What's your real name again? Ice. What's your real name? Fuck, no. Yo, bro, so if Carmelo Anthony deserves a statue in front of Madison Square Garden, And what are you saying to Patrick Ewan?

That he also deserves a statue in front of Matthews. So what are we going to give him? 77 statues? It's a bunch of motherfuckers that put on that Nicky. I think there's about five people who deserve a next statues. And I'm good with all. I'm good with Clairreiser having one. I'm going to say,

what are we going to say to Clairis? Maybe Bernard King definitely. Oh, your five is wrong. You tell you, I can tell you when you don't watch the sport. I don't watch the sport. Name how many. If you're going to, if you go into five, it's going to be tough for you to get Bernard King in there. That's what I said maybe Bernard King.

He said maybe. He said maybe one. Willis, Willis Reed, Earl and Clyde Frazier. Pearl and Clyde got to be. Those three have to be. Sorry, and then the fourth would be, for me, Mello. Ewing.

Oh, yes, sir, Ewing, and in Mello. So that's five statues. So you don't get to that, Bernard King is all I'm saying. Then, Bernard King, I'm not, I'm not dying on the Bernard King Hill. I'm just saying. Mark Jackson, no. No, no. No, that's what I'm saying.

Huh? Jeremy Lynn. I had a joke for that, Beno. No, again, this is, this takes nothing away from Mello, but I'm just saying, like, If you're going to say, this is Madison Square Guard, my nigga. It's been some niggas that put that uniform on that brought greatest to New York City. How about maybe in Syracuse? Oh, he'd get one.

Absolutely. You can get one. For one year, though? Yes. Yes. No. One year is tough. Yes.

They won. They won a championship. They won. Yeah, but then you got. What do you do to Derek Coleman? They won. That's what I say. They've been greater players.

I mean, winning is important. You mailed Derek Coleman a candle like everybody else. That's your fucking. The fuck out of you. I don't see no universe. That's my man, too, don't make me. You be making me talk bad about people I love. I do.

You just did that to us about it. Word about mellow, and the mellow's great. Wait, I'm not talking about mellow. No, you try to line it up. You know he's going to hear y'all saying shit. Well, he's going to hear y'all. I was key key in too much. I was trying to protect y'all.

Y'all did a lot of kick in. Y'all said botanical gardens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you said what garden, I'm just letting you know what Chris Brinkley is going to play for him. I think if you look in L.A., if you look in L. Philly, other major cities. The statutes don't have to be the biggest ones,

but they should be... That one they gave Iverson. No, no, that's different. We're not going to do that. I love Alanis. I don't make sure you're good, though. I love Alanis. What I'm saying is you can have,

like in L.A., magic should have one. Kareem should have one. Kobe should have one. Shack should have one. George Miking should have one. Four corners and call it a day. Yeah, once you say George Miger... Yeah, yeah.

Then y'all don't watch the sport. If you don't think George Michael was the... Fucking George Miking... Jerry West you don't think Jerry West is out of here nigga we're gonna give Colby

y'all sound crazy magic captain and Shaq a statue you don't think Jerry West deserves a statue will get an entryway

something like that that's it everyone all right sources confirm your vibe was weird and yes

everyone felt it I don't know no problem yeah yeah George Micah deserves a fucking statue

I'm damn around gay people every day because it was me I don't got no problem with them That wasn't what I was arguing. I was saying once you have to say the name, George Miken,

we're kicking past our coverage. And I'm saying that that's, okay, y'all y'all can say that, but for age. You're the shit all. Every center in the NBA does Miking drills for a reason. Yo. The Miking drills. I'm afraid the Miking is. Jocken laughed, but George Miking was the, there was a time,

George Miking at one point was the all-time leading story in the NBA. You got you. You're right, you know what's great. You're right, yo. Hey, go to night school. Hey, y'all, niggins. Hey, go to night school and break it down. What George, what George Miking did.

George Meele was the all-time NBA star. At one point, go. Hey, we got it, big dog. All right. So moving back to Carmelo Anthony did it. To wrap it all. You got a tell the nigga they're right. That's all.

Yo, y'all don't see how Mark get when he introed is for. Look at him. I'm just about to ask you about Carmelo Anthony again. We can move on from Carmelo Anthony. I was going to ask you just on the final analysis who was saying yes, who was saying no to the mellow statue. I know y'all saying no I never got your straight answer

I agree with this if you do a Mello statue you have to do a Patrick Euling statue Yeah And a Jalen Brunters It's just too many great people That came before him And it's not a disrespect to Mello at all

It's just too many other great Nick legends That don't have a statue That would be more deserving of a statue than Mello I think that's true Like I think Patrick deserves one more than Carmelo but I think Patrick deserves one I agree I think there should be four or five statues out there

Just like in L.A. In these other places That's all I was saying So Like the big shit stood out like the little somewhere in the middle somewhere in the middle

not the Hall of Fame Road joints that we saw in Philly but like not the Rocky one either somewhere in the middle that's all I'm saying Two statues All right is there anything else that needs our attention

besides George Mike You know what If George Mike was alive He would fuck y'all up man I'll beat this shit up I'll jump this shit out of yours I'll be quick I'll finish George Mike

Yeah Oh my fuck what Do I got an aluminum band and drunk I'll beat the dog shit out of George George Mike. Anyways. Joe, why is there something on the board that says Joe testifying at Megan Trial? Because they call rap, rat man, isn't it?

If I say, that's, oh, that's why he was explaining all that shit about. Yo, because that's why I'm on the side of my man. I'm a civilian. You're flipping. What you said? Spin them. That's how you're going to. I was just spinning.

Oh, yeah, you got to spinning him. You're just spinning them? You're just spinning them? Me and Kylie Jenner. I mean. And I'm only saying that, well, it's only on the board because there is a report that traveled around saying that we're going to be called to testify for the defense. I have not received that subpoena. You can check your mail by.

I also don't check the mail and would be able to identify the courier when he steps foot in the strip club. He's going to catch you in the elevator in your building. And he's like, yo. They're going to have a, she's going to be a female. Nah. Oh, they're going to send a banger at you. Oh, shit. She's going to be like, you going to think she'll speak English?

You got to be your butt, right? You have been served. Hit your surface. Oh, y'all in sapphires. Yeah, y'all in the mothers. You're all in the mothers, I got it. I feel it. It's cool.

You know, you're in sapphire. You love that sapphire. yeah so it says that that that that's i know as much about it as you do will you show up if if if with that shit on give you yeah yeah can't disappoint the courts yeah you got to give them looks got on your cardie no yeah that nigga gonna go to who show up will joseph anthony button be in the courtroom junior under any service junior ask me too yes to take the stand and testify yes whether on the side of the prosecution or the defense yes this thing you've been waiting for this. I don't think

they, I don't really think they want what they're asking. You like Woody, right? I don't think that they want what they're asking for. I think that this is a mistake. Could you imagine sarcastic-ass Joe? On the stand? I don't know. They might have you shook in there, though. I ain't going to lie.

You got to bring poetry. This is a mistake. Whoever is the brain trust behind this, I'm telling you. This ain't what you want. I got an outfit laid out on the bed, first day of school. No, too. And I'm a phony nigger, too. So, I mean, I got to see how I feel that day.

Or who's going to get this testimony. See what the vibe is, right? And my testimony for sale, too. Like, I'm going to get up there and be on bullshit if they call me. And Meg might put her weight back on. She put a weight back on. You definitely going to get up in there and be like, you know what? I was never real romanticly into situation.

joke, my name. Man, you're not funny. I don't have a romance, man. Shut up. Shit. It's us. I don't know. I hope that this doesn't go through.

That's not true. I hope it does go through. I don't think it's going through. It's too good to be true. Me going into a court to take a stand on a case where jail time is not an option for me. Like on something that I didn't do at all. Just to take the stand and give my opinion on both the prosecution, the state, and the defense. Because I got opinions about both of y'all.

I got those on Meg. I got thoughts on that malacro lady. So we got to see how it goes. Joe going to be in there breaking down the legal system. He's going to get their podcast. You thought you had, y'all thought academics had fun at that little deposition. You waited and didn't get a load of me. Brother Polite in that bitch.

Yeah, I'm promoting the pie. Prize picks, all that. Everything, God damn it. So, shout out, shout out to them. I look forward to seeing if that's true or not. But I'm here, I ain't going to. I'm not fleeing. I'm not going to flee.

Okay. You just want to go in there and look fresh. That's what you think you're talking to. I want to go in there and be nosy. Come back and tell the T. Whatever happened in there that ain't supposed to get out. I'm coming out and tell it or sell it. Paywall.

One of the other. One and the other. Hey, have it your way or having mine. We'll see. We'll see how I go. What else is important or unimportant? I was irritated by this Ryan Clark, Peter Schroger thing. We y'all following this?

I was a little bit. Yeah. What did you make of it? So for the audience, obviously, Ryan Clark and Peter Shaker were having a debate on air on ESPN about football. And at some point in their disagreement, Ryan Clark said to him, the thing is, though, and we should shouldn't do this on TV, so I apologize if people think this is rude, but that is the non-player in you. That was his response to the disagreement they had over a play-call and decision. I am, I'm on Ryan Clark side in this one.

A hundred percent. Let me take what Shrager said back, and then Shrager said back, I'm not looking at fantasy football, Ryan. Don't belittle me like that. I can come in as three X players are saying one thing and give an alternative. I could come in as three X players are saying one thing and give an alternative that maybe C.D. Lamb did play well. So, his, I see both sides of it. I just think, go ahead, Clark. I think that, first of all, I like when there's players or musicians or whatever the media is that we're talking about that did it to talk about it.

Because they were talking about, I believe, A.J. Brown and saying he had a bad game because maybe the numbers he put up weren't great. But he was probably out there blocking. He was being a decoy. Like, sometimes there's things in the game. that don't show up on a stat sheet that a player will be able to tell you about more than a pundit or an analyst just kind of looking at numbers. Yeah, I mean, it was sort of the opposite.

I feel what you're saying, because his point was that Lamb had three big drops, including one late drop, though he also had seven catches for more than 100 yards, and Schrager was saying that he still played well. Clark was saying it doesn't matter because they lost. Okay.

Right. And you can have that debate, right? I think the musician, the player, the person who ran a campaign, whatever your expert thing is, their voice should matter, and they should always be in the room. I just think sometimes that's a lazy response,

because a lot of time the position that the non-expertist or the non-player is saying has also been said by other players, which was his point. It's like three players said the same thing, so you can't just dismiss it because I didn't play, like actually engage the argument.

That's all I'm saying. My thing is engage the argument. If we neck and neck, then I'm a tie goes to the player. But like, I just hate when people do that because sometimes it's demeaning. And it's bad TV. at some point. Mark, you're the king of demeaning

people. Yeah, but I also like making good content. If anyone understands demeaning someone with their area of expertise, that's you, that's your middle name. Now you've got a problem with it. Again, let me tell you why. Because I think that luxury goes to, you make a

fear of point, so I'm listening to you. But that luxury does go to the player. The player is able to pull that out of his pocket whenever he wants. Now, if that's the right time or not, valid. But the player, that is a player privilege. It's also a logical fallacy. That's all I'm saying, like, the appeal to authority.

I'm saying, like, there are times where I know more about this thing because I did it. But the way to win the argument is by pulling out the information that you got from knowing more, not just to say I'm right because I know the thing. I agree with that. That's all I'm saying. Ryan has brought smoke to people's doors on ESPN. This is not his first. No.

But what do you say then when if the person that did not play has, well, this person played, this person played, this person was all pro he was better than you he agrees with me now what do you say to that you give what that's my point I watched this segment and didn't hear him say that

I didn't hear that that's what Shager said I watched it and don't recall I read a quote the clips were all very short and they cut off a lot of things

because Ryan Clark had more to say that they cut off in every clip that I could find on the internet they were just focused on that one thing

and honestly my biggest go go ahead I was just gonna say that he maybe shouldn't have preempted it in that way nah fuck that if a player said that

then you've stripped me of my ability to say that and now I'll engage what you're saying we come from the same place. Gotcha. If this guy who's never played a down says that, sorry if instinctually my first thought is okay part of your

thinking is because you've never done this. See I can't say that when I'm talking to a player. But you're coming up with this from somewhere else so let me try to figure that out and reply to that. But if you didn't play, respectfully it's kind of like up here sometimes where we be having music talks

and me and Parks be like okay I understand y'all saying what you're saying but it now makes your point not be valid because you're saying I only think that way because I didn't play but now it has three people or four people or eight people who have ever said no I agree with that so now what do you say my point is not

valid because I didn't play the sport but I think that's a crock of shit that people think everybody is treated equally I'm not treating the guy who just blurts his opinions and never suited up, never been in a locker room, never played it down, never touched grass, never got injured. There's a lot of things that you never did. So I'm not treating you the same way as a player with your same exact thought.

I think that's a mistake that people make a lot. Especially on ESPN, no disrespect, but there's a lot of like bad takes, especially from people that didn't play the sport and clearly don't really watch a lot of like footage. See, I think that that's the greater point. we're getting to. Imagine being a player and you sharing the airspace with people that think that the Michael Pinnock's jersey

or the Shador Sanders jersey is a Barry Sanders jersey. Like I'm sharing the airwaves. They're hiring people, they're hiring personalities. They're not necessarily high in people who are so experienced in sports and diving in and delving in the shit. These people are just up there talking. So if I

got to listen to it, yeah, that's going to come out sometime. I'm sorry. I don't want to say it necessarily about Peter Schroger because I do think that he is actually pretty good. He knows the shit, yeah. But if you're always around people that maybe aren't, or you're frequently around people that maybe aren't, you're going to be defensive a little bit. I get

that. About your expertise. I just feel like the way to defeat that is by, again, beating them with the argument. Don't just say I'm right because I played, say here, I'll give you a perfect example. J.J. Reddick used to do that on basketball. He wouldn't say, well, I play,

I'm one of the greatest college players of all time. on a great shoes of all time, so I'm right. He would break down, get in the weeds, and show them up and say, look, here's all the reasons why what you're saying doesn't make any fucking sense. And the fact that he knew more than them became obvious because of how he made the argument. Now, if you want to say that Ryan needs to do a better job in explaining, then fine. But JJ Reddick, before he got into his breakdowns because he was a psychopath with that, started with no disrespect, no offense.

I can't even listen to the bullshit that you're saying as an expert. That's, Jay Jetsay Reddick always started with some smug. Yo, I know what you're saying makes sense to you. Let me give you all of the million reasons why I don't. And that's all I'm saying. Give me the million reasons. The million reasons are way more valid than, yo, you ain't who. Than I'm me.

That's all I'm saying. And the last piece of this for me is, again, it's bad TV. Because as a fan. No, no, no. We're talking about it. That's a good TV. Yes. And you brought it up.

It's not bad. It's not. Ryan has fought with some of these things. Some of my, one of my favorite pastimes is watching ESPN. and figuring out who hates each other. Well, a report came out today saying that a lot of people don't like working with Ryan Clark.

There's been little things with... I'm one of Ryan Clark's biggest fan. Me too. I love Ryan Clark. I absolutely love him. Nobody can say a wrong thing about Ryan Clark in front of me. Yeah, it's been a lot of smoke

with different people around him also. But I think that's because he's... Y'all ride with RG3, you bitch-ass niggas. Fuck y'all. I love Ryan Clark. That's Bob. That's Bob. They're riding with Bob the 3rd.

Fuck him. Shout out to Ryan Clark. I love Ryan Clark. That's why I want him to win and I just want him to show how much more he knows than these people rather than just right out.

I just think if he didn't preempt it with that explanation it would have been perfectly fine. That's all Mark need to do is just watch football. This nigga come in here every football topic in the world and don't watch football.

That's all I got. That's not all you got, goddamn. Look, if y'all can give me a reason to watch football again, I will. It's great. It's amazing. Ravens versus Bill. Hey, who's going to say,

Ravins versus Bill's. That's it right there. Ravens versus Bill's. I heard that was amazing game. It was. Bro, that was the best game. I've seen every year it is though I'm fine but this one was

I'm gonna find this one was the same as last year yo last night's game that was a good game too no that was a good game you're bugging last night's game was a good game it was whatever the Vikings Bears Minnesota and Chicago Chicago was kicking their ass and the Bears just

JJ McCarthy looks like you went crazy and they came back and won the game I'm bad I turned off that Bill's game though I was sick my wife and her friend came back from being out and I was like this is a blowout let me go to the They didn't make me watch it. Well, actually, that's the perfect segue.

Which one of you guys with vaginas left the Bill's Ravens game? I'm sorry. Watch the BMA. Hit the drop. It's okay. It's okay. You got to do it. I'll take it pause or unpause because I was a bitch on Sunday day.

I'm sorry. I'm damn there around gay people every day. I let nods down. I don't got no problem with you. Let nods and Joe. Damn. Yeah, my bad. You watch to be, I didn't see the video.

I didn't see shit. I saw on you. It was absolute trash from what I saw. It was not many big artists there. Buster Rhyams did a big set, Slude to Busta. Mariah came out. Buster's our Stevie Wonder.

He's having to Stevey Wonder year this year. But the rest of it was, I don't know who these people are, respectfully. I went to read the winners and I was with you. I don't know who the fuck none of these are. I did. Well, you're all not a talk about. I was shocked that. That was Mariah's first.

No, there was pops. It was like teenage pop stars. I was very shocked that it was Mariah's first VMA. That was unbelievable to me. When I saw that, she won Best R&B, and I saw the other nominees, I'm like, how the fuck? But if you think about it. But then I saw, okay, she did the performance.

She got the Vanguard Award, which is like their lifetime achievement kind of thing. It surprised me a little bit because of how the VMA is used to operate, but at the same time, the award, it really is for best video. When I think of Mariah, I don't think of, like, bomb-ass video. What? She had some fucking classic. videos. Fantasy was amazing.

Fucking, what's the shit where they did the whole she got kidnapped? Was it, it was the Q-Tip produced record? I'm with Parks on this. She had some very good videos.

You know, I had a crush on. As a video? Yes, I had a crush on. You think Vision and Love video? She sat in the room sitting on the floor. That's good enough.

That video was, that was one of the first albums I bought and first singles. I know you sing with your hairbrush in the mirror. You told us before. That video worked. The emotions video is iconic.

The Honey video. Yeah. I'm what you don't. Like, she's got video. That's what I'm thinking of Honey. The Honey video. I was a kid now. She's got videos.

When I think of that era, I think of like Janet Jackson's having like the amazing video. She got it. I watched a lot of MTV in that era and Mariah Carey was on both that NBA. Like you'd turn off. Oh, she lived on there. I just didn't love her. I didn't love it. And I'm not trying to say that she's Janet's comp in videos.

I'm just saying Mariah Carey also has a big budget videos. I mean, deserve it's known for. She was known for videos. For great videos? Okay, maybe I'm wrong. I've never, I only think of, I never think of Mara Carey's having, like, great videos. Also, as big of a behemoth as she was in the industry, you know how these award shows. Well, that's what I started.

Like, at some point, they should have probably gave her a fucking video. That's what I started. I'm a little surprised because of the music. They could have given to her with the boys of men shit where they're just in the studio. Like, it wasn't uncomplexed. They gave it to her because she gave them the performance. We know how to go? Yeah, yeah, for sure.

We know how just go. Even that video at the time. See, it's tough to judge shit from 2025. But the one sweet day video, seeing boys to men and Mariah in the studio, BTS streaming before streaming. It was a thing. It was a thing. I don't know if it's an award-winning video.

I mean, I guess you'd really disagree. This thing was just jerking off to Mariah. Oh, I was absolutely jerking. Oh, no, no. For sure. I've never jerked to Mariah. Oh, fuck. What?

Absolutely. You don't like Mariah? Which Mariah? Nick Cannon? She wasn't. She wasn't jerked? She wasn't jerked off. Wait, so Parks and Freeze have jerked off to Mariah.

Oh, and the Buster Rhymes video where Buster Rhymes was in charge of babysitting dude's wife. Oh, that's a classic video in my household. Ish, did you jerk off to Mariah? No. Ashley Witherspoon. Who the fuck is that?

I'm just naming White People. I'm about to say. That's right. I'm like, what? You don't know why. Reese. That's not my bad. I keep saying that's not my bad.

That's Ash. White people was not my girl. I got some white in it up. Anyway. My girl. Oh, my God. Monday night. Talk about fishing for a fight.

It's Monday. You tried it. You've been acting funny. How, baby. You ain't called me all day yesterday. I said, Sunday. Sunday. So.

The first week won Sunday. It's a trap. It's a trap. It's a trap. It's a trap. But I fell right for it. You mean yesterday when football was on. We've been waiting.

Eight months for this? Oh, dang. She said, yeah, I was texting you. I was calling you. You ain't see that, but you have to be on Instagram. You have to be on Instagram. Yeah, that's different. I can be on Instagram.

And watch the game. I could do whatever I want to watch the game. Guess one thing that no man in America did yesterday. Call or text. Or talk to a girl. Or talk to. That part. It was the morning.

I was going downstairs. I was like, hey, man, I'm going to go downstairs. She's like, oh, so I guess that means don't come down, right? I'm like, well, I mean. Yes. No, it's your house. You can do what you want to do is your house. I told you.

I'm going to be watching the game. Bro, I told Shorty yesterday. It was about 10.30 in the morning. I'm like, look, I'll get lunch together, baby, whatever, whatever. I said, because look, before one. Once one o'clock get here. Before one. Yeah.

Don't talk to me. Don't talk to me. Straight up. Yo, look, when 1 o'clock get here, don't talk to them. 12.30, I won't see some pregame. See, that's my problem. Don't talk to me.

I'm not communicating. Yes, you got to let them know what that means. I just got the 1230 call in. 1230, hey, babe, love you. You the best. Okay, bye. I let them know. You're the only girl I love.

I'm faithful. Okay, bye. Guess what happened at 107? 111. FaceTime. Right there. FaceTime. Hey.

You think you'd be able to mail something for me? My nigga. I said, I said, post office closed today. I swore, wait, no, because I didn't think I'm in La La Land. I swore I just said to you, this is week one of football. Damn. She said, all right, fuck you, you don't want to talk to me. Two hours later, here come, her favorite meme.

I love it. I love it. another mean. Now she's just me. Do not disturb. Yeah. Get there a little half move. No, you got to tell.

You got to say it. You got to say it. But she fried me the next. She tried to fry me the next thing. But I'm like, you're frying me. You got to loosen up the leash. You got losing leash. Fair mom, in the house watching football.

Yo, I'm talking to my fantasy team, co-manager. I'm looking up stats. Like, football. I'm doing mad guy shit. Word. Anyway, she listened to this shit So I'm moving on I'm sorry you went through that

Yeah, no, that's my bad Just communicated though That's the Listen, we're cool It ain't It ain't Sunday or Thursday So Ain't no beat now

We're chilling now Anyway, what else is important I know Mark was You, you, that Dame Dash shit was important to you And Dave said some shit About me too A lot of things

We're talking about me Yeah, Dame's been back In the news a lot Dame Dash and Camerine And it's been interesting It always makes me sad when I see Dame Dash and Cam Ran Or Dame Dash and anybody who he had a relationship With have beef publicly

I'm not blaming Dame for it I'm just saying I hate to see that that kind of thing But it started off as kind of lighthearted It seemed like Cam and Dame And then it seems like the jokes Turned serious a little bit As they started having a little back and forth About their past about their relationship

About who supported who At some point Dame was saying The Cam didn't support his movie What's it called Min of Honor? It's called Honor Up Honor up, I'm sorry. And I'm on record for Sen, that is one of the three worst movies I've ever seen in my life. Cam did a favor not supporting that movie.

Is it worse than snakes in the plane? It's worse than every movie you could possibly name outside of Nick Cannon, Shirek, and maybe belly two. What about that other plane? Shark Nato. No, Charleney's fire. That's a classic. We're not doing that. Oh, yeah, and all the Fridays.

I let it go the first time. I'm not doing it again. I let it go. I ignored it when you tried it. And all of the Fridays. Friday, 13th? No, he's talking about, get him out of here. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Well, yeah, like, when I saw that, I'm like, that movie was horrible. So? What about the Idges Elba movie when he was on a plane? That was a show. Yeah, that was a show. Hijacked. Highjack.

It was a show. It was kind of a good show, too. Yes. Yeah. Oh, my memory. That blood pressure medicine, they say it as a symptom. Hey, your vision going to get blurred and memory. You're going to just keep taking it out.

Yeah. Yeah. Figure that's better than, you know, stroke. Figure that's better than, you know, heart attack. Yeah, the other alternative. Blindness. Go ahead. Have you checked how much, what's that shit?

Cholesterol. The shit that surrounds the heart that you got to check, how much clog, the clogs the chagp. I forgot the word. Maybe your arteries are clog. You're good because Mandy said you good. No, because all my levels at the doctor said I was good. Because Mandy, your doctor.

You want me a dick, you get to fuck out of here, yo. So you've seen Mandy's dick. What were we talking about? Dave, Dave, Guy. Oh, yeah, Mark, go ahead. What do you say about you? What do you say about me? Dame said that all of the hot podcasters are Rockefeller podcasters.

But he was lamenting that. He was basically saying that, like, we had this hot thing going on, and instead of having these artists who are pushing the culture and advancing the culture and laughing at the journalists and laughing at the media, now y'all have become the media y'all become the people talking about Cam, Mace, him, Norie. I thought all of y'all were rock stars, not chattie little bitch. Basically, he didn't say that.

That's what he was trying to say. You could be a rock star chattie little bitch. So I want to let Dame know when I try not to support America new. You got to start with that, support Dame shit. America new, go check it out. Now the dash out the way. Dame has to stop. Hey, leave me out of all that.

Whatever you doing. My name should have nothing to do with that. I was Rockefeller for 79 seconds. And I keep it a secret. It's not something that I run around promoting or I'm proud of. I ain't released an album on Rockefeller. put a song out on Rockefeller. Didn't get a rock chain?

I didn't get a Rockefeller chain. I didn't get a Rockefeller cup of coffee. You got some spanky? No, I didn't. I didn't get a Rockefeller penny. So when you having these Rockefeller conversations and shit, Hove don't even recognize me in the Rockefeller

War. It's always dame talking. Keep me out of that. I'm not a Rockefeller. Rapper, artist, podcaster. I don't have nothing to do with none of that shit. Carleen barely. buzzed the gate when I was at the fucking.

Who's the Carlene ain't one here again. They went over. Carlene was back there. Yeah. So I love Dame. Like I said, I'll never have a negative word to say about him.

He's loaned me money out of his pocket. I won't say nothing bad about him. But please, I'm not Rockefeller nothing. I don't claim it. I'm not reping it. Shit, you might shouldn't be ripping it.

But that's not my business. That's not my business. A Rockefeller podcast. Are you crazy dame? Well, I think his bigger point was just he thought y'all were cool and the space you're operating is gossip. We're not cool enough for you to dictate nothing about my actions. Hey, anybody out there to think we're cool enough for y'all to dictate how I move? That's triggering for me.

That's been a problem with me since pre-K. I'm rebellious. I just told my girl this shit. That's on that. No, for real. I'm, whatever the grain is is in my blood. and DNA to be against it. I'm just, we just made up

that way. Sorry. The fuck out of here. But that's my man. So I don't have nothing. I don't have nothing negative to say about him. And don't make it seem like I came and started this shit when it was in season, when it was trendy and fashionable. That was what I didn't like about. You telling the

Joe Button story wrong. Don't tell my story. You're not qualified to tell it. Shut the fuck up. Or deal with dumb. Deal with the niggas you have that type of history with. my step was for a minute and a half and honestly that shit fucking ticked me off when he said that shit

niggas just be dropping my name and shit that has nothing to do with me please don't compare me to bleak don't compare me to nobody that's ever been on Rockefeller that has a podcast it's not the same

Jesus Mary and Joseph it is interesting how many former Rockfella podcast though I mean damn near all of them everybody with beans and free damn near see that's the normal That's what somebody in hip hop would say. Where I'm sitting at, I say it's interesting

that so many people have podcasts. I'm not, don't bunch me in with this hip hop shit. It was three of y'all when I started. Right. Which to me is a Dame Dash. To me, it's in his spirit. I would think he would want you to do that. And I'm not saying he doesn't, but Dame Dash is always about own your own shit, build your own shit,

create your own lane, make another vertical. That's what you've done here. So I would think he would be shouting that out. I'm not walking around looking for congratulations from anybody. but I also don't have to be a part of whatever story and reshaping of things you're trying to. I don't want nothing to do with that. I don't want them to do with that, Dame.

I love you. I wish you nothing but the best. I'm sure you wish the same for me, but I don't want nothing to do with that. Well, 50 cent just bought the rights. Was it paid in full? Yeah. And of course, Cameron is part of that.

So Dame mentioned that last night. That became part of it. He's kind of clowning Cam saying, he worked for 50 now. Yeah, now you work for 50. I don't know the business arrangements. I doubt that he works for 50, but I don't know the business arrangements,

but it's just the next level of their back and forth. Although this one seemed a little more lighthearted. Also, it's just a wild mentality. Like, some people just have this thing where I, and Dame is one, he's on record saying, like, he can't work for nobody. He has to be the boss. And, okay, cool.

But there's nothing wrong with partner it up as well. Yeah. And it's like some people just always want to look down on that. Or maybe I might work for you to level up to the, now am I go do this? Like, so what? He has built an empire in TV and film. If Kim was, and I don't know that he is,

if he was hypothetically working for 50 in this case, I don't think that that's a terrible thing. It's a good spot to be. Right. This idea that you never will work as talent to me is weird because he was clowning, they were clowning each other for working as talent for VH1 or for MTV or these other different shows.

I mean, again, I don't care about it. They're going to be friends again. They love each other. It's going to be peace. But I think about the audience watching that and this idea that now everybody who gets to nine to five. Everybody who's in the business of entertainment

who takes a talent, you can even take a talent contract now? Let's address that. Do y'all feel like that, that word is or has become a dis? And if somebody calls y'all just talent, are you taking offense to it?

They are, they call us just talent literally to dis us. I haven't heard this about 40. I see it regularly. Just asking. I see it. I don't give a fuck.

I don't take it as an offense. No. I don't take it as nothing. I don't know they mean this one. Let me tell you what's how they mean it, though, yes. Nigger, when you go to AT&T and you answer that phone, you talent. When you go to your accounting firm, when you go to Goldman Sachs,

when you go drop them for eyes, blah, blah, and partners and you're an attorney for this company, nigger, you are their talent. When you drop back in the huddle? Yes, you are talent. So unless you own your own shit and it has your name on it or your brand on it, ding, ding, ding, nigger, you talent. So you can't insult me. He's calling me talent. Should that be a dis today?

No, me. What fuck are you talking about you? You gamefully employed. What happened is niggas learned this ownership word. Yes. And ran it into the fucking world. That's it. And jumped out the window with it.

Like, it's the thing to be. You ain't shit if you don't own it. And that's the thing I disagree with Dame about. Because to Dame's credit... I love Dame Dash, bro. It's a horrible message. It's a horrible message. Exactly.

I just don't speak on it a lot because I respect Dane. I really, really, really, really respect Dame. It's a horrible message. When he got on Hot 97 and said it, it was a horrible message then. Yeah. my nigger you not being a owner of something does not make you less of a man one it could be a goal of yours to own some shit so that you have the ability to leave it to your family leave it to your children and just be the outright owner of it that is fly most people don't ever reach that and so if you discredit a man and his hard work ethic because he don't work for himself i think that shit is a horrible message to send you And how do you run a business?

To me, it would be hard to hire people if I, I don't want to work for you. Looking at you, looking at me, like you think I'm less of a man. You think I'm your daddy? Like, you know, that's what he said. Like, you know, I'm somebody's my boss. Like, calling him daddy. So then what does that mean when I'm trying to hire people? I agree with everything you guys are saying.

I'm going to start to hear. And I want to also say to the people listening, if you understand how talent can be received as a diss, then you're ahead of the game. and you're doing what you need to do in terms of financial literacy. We pre-sad all the time up here, but that for me is part of it. Like, for you to have the understanding

to take talent as a diss or to know what someone means by it, it means you have more information than the person starting it go. That's all I have to say. Part of financial literacy also is just making good business decisions for yourself, which may include being an employee.

Go ahead. Go ahead. It's what you mean, really. You said that if someone, somebody looks at talent, the word talent as a quote unquote dis. That looks at if they understand what you made by attention behind it. Yeah. Like somebody calling you talent is trying to dis you.

Then they are ahead of the person starting it go. You're at least in that world. I get what he's saying. Yeah. Go doesn't teach you that talent is a diss. Goh teaches you to be talent. Go teaches you that talent is the way to be to the way to fame, the way to be to make or break you.

Talent is the thing to be. That's in Hollywood, that's in music, that's in... Everywhere. If you go a little further in the book and see what the back end is or what people that are not talent are making, and that's all around the back, and you get to talk to them about how they view talent,

like where the real money is made, then you start to take offense because you understand where that's coming from. And then you fight to not be looked at, that is solely talent where then you fight to participate i just yeah i think i think that's personal preference i think that some people are okay with being talent i think that some people are okay with that's not what i'm talking about i know but i'm just only talking about understanding i know but i'm saying like as a dis everybody don't want to be the CEO i'm only talking about understanding

how it could be a dis then you're a head of i'm agree with what you're saying i'm not saying that you're lesser than if you're talent. I'm not saying none of that. But to know what other people mean, to know more languages than just your own. You're ahead of the person that is ignorant and has no knowledge of all, is what I'm saying. Good luck to Dame and

anything that he's bad. For sure. Dame, I love you. We'll talk. We always talk. But keep me out of those fucking Rockefeller conversations, please. Please, please. I beg of you. I beg of you. I shouldn't be a Rockefeller example in nothing. And nothing at all. there's another story

I don't know if this is too white for you Charlie Sheen Mark can I look at some nigger topics Let me let me check my nigger It's not about Charlie Sheen really Speaking of a nigger Go ahead See that's more juicy to me

Charlie Sheen Well it's just that he was on Goodborn in America Talking about when he got When he started smoking crack He started having sex with dudes did you know what else saw this I saw it I saw it well that doesn't help my

that doesn't help my argument tell me more I was waiting till the doc dropped to really talk about it I saw something like this but I'm not I'm not researched on it he's got a book out he's got a book out

called the book of Sheen he's got a documentary coming out he went on GMA because he's talking about he being relieved when he found out here HIV although he was depressed about it because he

of years of just whiling and just having a whole different life and part of that was having sex with men And for him, he said he didn't start having sex with men until he started smoking crack. So crack, so crack turned them out. That's sort of where I was, wanted to ask you all. It was less about Charlie Sheen and more about white.

He went from sucking on a glass dick to the real dick. See, for me, is, wait what is that? He went from sucking on a glass dick to the real dick. I'm sorry. I don't know, I don't got no problem with gay people. Gay people work for me right now. I'm damn there around gay people every day. because they work for me. I don't got no problem with them.

What Charlie Sheen is attempting to say, I find in the same vein of what Young Thug was attempting. Don't say very to this conversation. We're not going to be mature at all. It's crazy. Hit the button, nigga. Hit the button. Word. Just hit that shit over here.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about gay people. They're working right now. I'm damn there around gay people every day because they work for me. I don't got no problem with this.

it's in the same world as what young thugs had to say about that community to me like Charlie Sheen sound like he's saying I wouldn't have fucked the dude if it wasn't for crack now

but then he said but now I'm cool with it though you clean it up no Charlie Sheen you were cool with it it was always in there I know we need to look for justification

I know we need to figure it out within ourselves Charlie Jean you was cool with it and he happened to have some crack on him oh shit you got two pipes in the same

there's a few you can't play it again man God damn it bro you yo I don't got no problem I don't got no problem

to get these days oh yo what the all gay people every day. Source, sources confirmed, your vibe was weird. Yes,

everyone felt it. Everyone felt it. Everyone felt it. It's also crazy. All this, to me, was just like pre-roll for this book and Doc.

Yes. And guess what? It worked. It worked. I worked. Oh, absolutely. I'm watching. I'm fascinated by Charlie Sheen.

Charlie Sheen don't even know how much equity the name Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen. All you. had to do was say I'm putting a book up I'm putting a book out that's it crack and it's going to tell all book and we were going to get that book you ain't have to tell me about no crack I just assumed that that was in my default Charlie Sheen thought oh he was on crack

I knew that before you said it yeah word I heard the story I was like oh yeah yeah yeah he did that he did that year go ahead Charles Sheen you're man what did you think mark lead to some really immature jokes, and that's what I was hoping for. But I think that what you think is that drugs open you up not to do. Yo! Hit the button, fine. I've earned it. I've earned it. I've earned it.

Or hit the button. I don't get it to me. I'll fold that up right now. I'm damn there around gay people every day because they work for me. I don't got no problem with them. But that was just my thought. I'm not shocked that he said it. I just think, to your point, that just allowed you to give yourself an excuse to do

what you already wanted to do. If we didn't have a guest coming on, all the other stuff, I was going to ask you all sort of went inhibited what's the wilder shit you all did, not that level of wild. What was this thing? I always do.

You know. All right, I'm going to stand down. I'm done here. I'm done here. No, no, no. I'm done here. I'm done here. All right.

I'm just thinking about when you have something come through and she got the drug on you that you're not familiar with. I just try to get you to the island of had chicks come over with some special cave with some acid shit. Some CBD. You see some crazy shit I never heard of. Yes, some shit that you needed. That was a girl that brought huffing through. Oh, yeah. As a dude.

Yeah, I wasn't home just like, let me huff. So you never did it, you never dabbled in. I hopped. So after I hit the bitch, I thought I heard of shit, dude. I'm not trying to smash you K, I gave hustle. And I'm saying huffing, but it was the laugh gas shit that they said, Kanye got. Nitrous, the nitrous, yeah. Like, girls are come through.

I mean, in Charlie Sheen's case, dudes are come through. But whoever you fucking. And he had that shit on them. Yeah. What? All right. This thing is. Yeah, I'm good.

Let me see what else is important or unimportant. Let me hit my list. Let's see. Yo, shit niggas are do for some. Meek Mill, because I did want you guys his opinion on it, Meek Mill tweeted, which is one of my favorite things to do. He tweeted. Pull it up free, pull it up free, pull it up free.

Meek Mill said he's looking for $5 million for his next book, album, and short film. and he's not understanding why labels are low-balling him. All right, I got the tweet. Let's do it. I need $5 million in funding for book, album, and short film. These label deals are not looking fair at all. They ruined the game, basically. But I can reboot the whole thing.

Why can't I get the same attention as a tech investment in rap? What the hellie? Distinguished panel. I agree with them. There's a slight difference. Distinguished panel. I agree with them. Let's fight.

Like, the numbers don't, it's the numbers that surprised me. I don't know enough about music business numbers at this point to know what he should deserve. I know the book industry, if I was, if I was giving out a book deal to Meek Mill, I'd probably give him somewhere between half a million and a million dollars. Okay. So I'm like, that's one of the five. And then, so now I'm thinking about a short film, I don't think it's worth that much. Like if I, and I don't, and y'all can answer the music question.

And so for me, the question was more like, why would he need a capital investment? No, I think I think the dollar amount that we're focusing on is one thing I think what he's trying to say is that when these tech startups happen Or when any other companies happen they go get seed capital So why couldn't hip-hop artists go get seed capital and pay your investors back And circumvent the label they do it's called Kickstarter I think that's genius Yeah I don't do that again I've never I don't know TLC did it

Yeah did it so did I think De La Sol maybe someone else did But a couple people I'm talking about crowdfunding so what he's exactly so what I'm saying he's that the idea maybe the five million might be off maybe two three whatever the case may be I still think that we complain about the label so much what he's saying makes sense to me but what's not in the music business but what if they offering them two three but they might be offering five but they might be offering two for their control of your shit whereas if you just busting down the investors back on a on a percentage basis on from an investment perspective then you own your shit

what if they don't think it's a sound I was just getting ready to that's what it sound like because again this is the same me who brags about being friends with Robert Kraft

Hove what's my man from Philly Michael Rubin who got that speak to that that's a good point in abundance

that's a great point so maybe they follow on Twitter if these are your people and they don't believe in it enough to give you that then maybe it's and they're professionals

at this this is what they do so maybe it's not as a sound investment as you think it is. Well, the difference in that in tech is that the return on a movie or album or book is nowhere near is likely to be as high as a tech if it works. If the tech hit. If it works, it works.

Albu got a hit too. You know, it's mad tech shit that don't hit. Al we got to hear about. The upside is huge in tech. There's more hope in the tech that failed than whatever Meek is talking about. And I want Meek to win. I love Meek.

I think an album from him would be great. I think a book from him would be great. For sure. A film would be great. But it's not the same as a tech investment. A tech investment, you invest in a million, hoping to become a billionaire. Right. You know, right.

You don't invest in a book or a film or album to get a thousand times return on your investment. I haven't seen, I mean, I've never seen that. Unless you invest in low. I'm not going to shoot on what he had to say. I think he's on the right rally. Yeah. I disagree with the tweet. sometimes you need to be forced into your independence true so let's say this right from an

investment perspective my bad go ahead you could also find investors and be independent but when the entire field and i'm only taking this from his tweet when the entire field is saying you weigh off in the numbers you got to go yourself and prove them wrong and find your own metric just look listening a book a short film i've never seen a rapper short film benefit anybody but the rapper yeah like that's just the truth of it like as as artists we have to start finding different ways to either either prove our worth or show our worth but it's not in short film that's ancient that's ancient verbiage if you're trying to get a deal in 2025 a book i'm with mark you're not

it's not it's not we're gonna give you a million dollars that's generous if yeah yeah yeah if that and in music today where you are you on your independent journey

it ain't worth it's not worth that if you're asking for it I'm not saying it's not worth it but if you asking for there's nobody that's of sound mind is giving meek mill unless it's your own boy

unless it's your friend and in that case you should do it yourself so you can not be the talent see that's why we'd be having multiple conversations is some niggas that want to spend their life being the talent and they're fine with that.

True. Right. But don't get to talking like you want to sit in other seats and you're not ready to strap that belt to do that. And I think that's where... I think that's where... I think that's where Meek is right now.

Exactly. I think that's where I said that about Yeh, back when he was beefing with dumb and I'm like, yo, get the money, build your own factories, get your own... If you want to go to war, then go to war. The same with Meek. Nobody's giving Meek $5 million for that shit he's talking about. I'm dying for a new meek project.

I can't wait for it. I'm a huge meek fan. That's not happening. Like, now we just tweeting shit now. That's it. And I'm with Mark. You kind of got to wonder why you don't invest your own. I know there's the age old saying, spend a lot of money.

I just think you need to know when that's applicable. I think there's times where that's correct. I think there's times where that's incorrect. Not knowing nothing. He might not have five mil to put into that like that. Or if I can't get their money, then I'll spend money. Call holes. Call the names you mentioned.

Michael Rubin. Call all of your multi-millionaire. Billion. Billion. Those are billions. Multi-million and billionaire buddies. I remember when I was broken, I needed a car, and I didn't have no good sense. And I called Andre Aguador of.

Yeah, yo. I need to put a car in it. I said, you get to fuck off my phone. You serious? That nigga dumped. That nigga dunked on you. Fuck, you. Why did you ask him?

Are y'all that cool? No. I just said I was ignorant, unaware, naive, young, all of the words that you could put with being that young and desperate. Desperate. It was just desperate. Wow. Shout then. That's my guy, though.

I love Andre. You guys. Yeah, me too. That's my man. All right. A few people I need to end it. That big a Tomahawk to your head. Off the back.

Oh, get the fuck off. Who this? No, my first he said, who this? My back. Go ahead. Look at your face, yo. That's my back. That's peace.

Yeah, Tomah. Yeah, go ahead. Bitch, get some way. A hundred eagle dollars for a car. You can't just want that ghost, Are you serious? Oh, man And y'all wasn't tight like that.

Yo, why you ain't never telling them what that's the world? This might be why. Oh, man. I didn't tell you guys. You ain't no ish back then and nobody else had credit? You ain't had no checks? Oh, man.

That's what niggas was doing. Oh, shit. Oh, man, yo. Holy shit. Oh, I got here at the right time. That's great, bro. oh man this is him I hope he responds to this

because I need to hear bro please go on one go on I don't care yo go on anybody show and bring this up he ain't gonna say

nothing bad about me I just need to hear I don't love me I understand that not enough to get the whip I think this is a really funny joke

but also it makes me want to return fire oh my god man I hate the niggas. I just can't be the joke. I just feel like that should be.

Explain. A couple niggas who I know they business. Oh, nigga, I put a few of them. Y'all having a lot of fun. Antoine ain't never had no car in nobody, man. You can't say nothing about me, Nick. Well, because a few of the girls said no. I've never tried to put a car in the car.

Don't get an attitude with me. I did. Don't get an attitude with me. And all of mine that was mine would have said yes, nigga. No, no. Joe, you ain't got to do that. I just take that car. I just take that car. Nick, I don't fucking...

Don't put it in there. Your car is my car. And not for nothing, mine had nice cars. Give me that after the free. What? You guys, I don't have time to be immature with y'all. We have a very, very, very, very, very special guest here. We do.

Yes, sir. Somebody that I've been dying to talk to, this person put out arguably one of my, not even arguably, one of my favorite projects this year. Yeah. Yeah. in favor, put your hands together. Amadi, the singer, is here. Now that we big, that nigga, and now that we got that day trod the way.

Also here, one of my favorite favorite artists today, Also one of my favorite projects this year. Put your hands together. Chance the rapper! Yeah! The same! Oh, that shit was funny, sir.

Big Chance the rapper in the... That is hilarious. Oh, man. All right, let's let my man get set up. Oh, shit. We got Amani the singer, and Chance the rapper. That's not my name.

No, that's your name now. That's your name. me. Let's focus on Chians off. Right now. That's it. You're coming out now. My name is a singer.

You look fucking terrific, man. Thanks. You keep saying that. I'm skinny right now. But that's part of beauty norms in society today is being lean and trim. You like the rock. The new rock. For real.

You look like you on some type of salad diet. How did you get this slim? No, I just lost it. Because our brother here. You mean your mirror, both. You're mirror here. Us here. How do you do it?

I've just lost a lot of weight. Finishing the album. Like, I was, I guess, not eating and sleeping enough. That doesn't sound the health. Sorry, that was dark. I wasn't trying to be dark. I was just being honest. Stress loss.

Well, I'm gaining some of the weight back. But, like, the week that it dropped, I was, like, the smallest I ever been. Like, my face looked, like, skinny and shit. He was really stressed out over this album. It was just, yeah. I mean, I stress out every time I make an album. Like, I'd be, like, very. A lot of pressure to deliver this time around.

It's just, I have, I believe in art, like, as an idea of, like, trying to make something the best you can. So it's like, I think any time once you get to a point where you're like, all right, I've got to put this shit out, it's like all the ideas or things that I've seen wrong with it, I'm like stressing over, you know. I feel like that's how everybody is when finishing a project. It's like, but yeah. Well, listen, it came up here. Thanks, man. Yeah, we loved it up here. Yeah.

I appreciate y'all. Yeah. I'm not glazing you yet. I mean, that's fuck what they talk. I know they'd be happy to see you. Your album's cool. I'm not glazing you. No, the album's great, but I'm not,

we're not at the glazed portion of this for me. Yeah. Now, this, am I? Little is hill. All right, there we go. Yo, I can tell you that. I'm like, thanks, more.

Now, are we getting, like, political pundit chance and then sit down or? Do you think of political pundit? No, chance. I just, agree with that. You're saying like, are we going to talk about deep stuff? Are we going to talk about? No, I don't care about beefs. No, I said deep. Oh, yes. Like, can we talk like, like, like, like humans? Like, yeah. Like, we are going. Like this. That sounds like. That's not like. Like this. Like this? Yeah, yeah. Is this the way? Yeah. You go. Because I have so many questions for you. And I guess at the start of that is, I heard the album, how and where is your mental health? It's good. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to say it's bad.

Oh, your weight loss could be married to a dark mental state, too. So I want to make sure we good. I heard the album, I listen to lyrics. Yeah, I think it's like this. You said when I'm alone, I think I could just die. No, I don't want to confuse that line. I'm so glad you said that because that's on pretty. That's how I'm scared the shit out of me.

Yeah, it's not, it's not like sometimes on I'm alone, I want to die. it's like this feeling of because in that moment the line before it is uh sometimes i think she was the love of my life so when i'm alone sometimes i think that i'm dead it's it's like my life for a long time was running you know intersected with somebody and now it's running parallel and so when i think a lot of people told me that they resonate with that line people that have been through divorce, people that have been through loss, period. If this person is my life,

and now I'm starting to, it's like now that life is over. Like a part of you died. You're starting a whole brand new life. Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's, there are a lot of reflective moments in the album where I'm like vulnerable about, you know,

my mental state. But this is also over the course of six years. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, these songs didn't all get made in the last couple of months. These are songs that just got reworked and reworked and reworked.

And so it's like, my mental state today is great. I was excited to see you, niggas. Like, I don't know. They didn't even make this shit dark. How are you going to start off on bullshit? I got to make sure he's okay, lost weight. What are you talking about? I have to make sure he's good.

That's it. And now we got fun. What did you do for six years? Men and black ass couch. Like, how do y'all? Yeah. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro.

They hate these couches. They hate these couches. They hate these couches. Trying to, like, get the right posture. You got to plant your feet. It's not one. You got to plant your feet, man. You're going to slide the whole time.

It's making my pants for it. Mel normally puts a pillow behind a bag. You want a pillow? I'm straight. All right. I figured. I figured. I figured.

Did you hear everyone's criticism over the last project? And what were your thoughts? I didn't hear any criticism. There was criticism over the... No, I'm joking. Yeah, I mean, that shit was wild. What I've been, you know, trying to explain to people is, like, I took it.

very personally right in the beginning of it I think anybody would you know what I'm saying and I think what I didn't realize until I started to go back outside was that

there was a stark contrast between what I was experiencing in the real world and what I was seeing promoted on the internet and even to the extent of like what my sales were and what the original

critiques from reviewers were versus, again, what I'm seeing repeat it over and over again on the internet. Right. And that's just in the past, so it's like, you know what I'm saying? It is what it is. But I definitely felt like a concerted effort

to, like, you know what I'm saying? Like devalue my name or my value overall in the industry as a voice. And so I was pressed, but I also persevered. You know what I'm saying? Would you do anything different with that album now?

no I was explaining that also recently that's a great question like these are documentations of my life like I'm this like I didn't make it being like I hope this shit suck you know what I like and I still like it and there's still people that like you know what I'm saying come to me and tell me what it meant for them in that moment and it's like so you didn't feel like you were overboard on that particular content because that's what the the word was the word was the word I think there are a lot of different arguments made for why there was this widespread negative, you know, internet reaction to it. But that's not true.

But I've seen that it was because of that. I've seen because, you know what I'm saying? It was it was too pop. I've seen because it was too many tracks. I've seen because it was, I've seen a bunch of people explain it a million different ways. But, like, I know that there's people that love it. There's people that didn't like it. And there's people that never heard it.

But heard a lot of negative things about it. So it's like, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that it is what it is. I created and documented a part of my life that's going to exist. And it might help some people. It might some people are just like, I hate it. That's the worst thing that ever happened. But it's like at the end of the day, I create. Like, that's what my job is.

How long did it take you to bounce back from that, like emotionally? It didn't really take you six years or were you over and just spent chilling? I'm still getting mad sometimes. It's just one album, bro. Let it go. But that's what I'll be saying I dropped arguably to me one of the most important projects

of this decade. Like what I'm talking about on my album is different. And so to me it's like the conversation of what this album is, when people try and tie it to that, I'm like, why? You know what I'm saying? Like what is what is

it is what it is. If you heard what I had to say, and you did, you told me. Then the juxtaposition was important for me to highlight, right? And it was, I didn't know how to feel about it. This album that you just released, I think, is some of your best work, coloring book aside. But, I mean, as an artist, I have to notice how you sound

and the road that kind of was the precursor to before this. No, 100th. It's a part of my story. It's not like I'm trying, I don't think that. the project is important to the, to everything is, you know what I'm saying? It's like a bunch of works all coming together cumulatively to be who I am today. But it's also like, I think my project that I, that I just dropped is so crucial that even, I think, like, attacking it from the perspective of like a comeback. or bounce back

as like, it's disrespectful to what it is. It is what it is. You know what I'm saying? And I think like there are, you know, like, you know I'm going through my shit. You know what I'm saying?

You know I got this case. So it's like, I know that there's people that win by seeing me view through a certain lens. And I know that y'all know the climate of how information gets spread now, right?

And so I'm, I'm fighting the good fight with my music. I'm doing what I'm doing my music. And so the way that the context around how you present anything is going to affect how people take it in. The Big Day is a great example. There's so many people that didn't even hear the album that just heard visual or repeat visceral reactions to it.

You know what I'm saying? So I understand how information gets spread and how shit is portrayed a certain way. And I'll just be getting that, All right, let me move around it with some great songs. With some box. For those people, could I play a couple of my favorite songs, a couple of seconds?

Yeah, I want to know what's your favorite, yeah. Oh, well, shit, if you want to know, I'll tell you before I play. I'll start with some Joey Badass. Why not? Great rock. We'll start with some highs and lows real quick. Classic chance.

Joey Badass was just here, a friend of the show, shout to Joey. My brother, as long as long as the time. Hey Chicago what's going on out there I'm an emotional roller coaster Where high so high I could put bowl bowls on a poster But when the bread gets low

Like four loaves in a toaster Oh the shoulders can't get cold As ten toes in Nova Scotia Some days I hold a grudge Some days I holy ghoster Some days I just ghoster Some days I'm supposed to the crib Feel like the gunfight but them strollers

That's the holster. I never forgot to be. Can you explain that line to me? Because I'm tired of trying to interpret it in my head. The crib feels like a gunfight. But the strollers, that's the holster. We can make amends over old memes and mimosa's. I'm saying like the crib is contentious.

Like, it's always feels like we in a battle. And the thing that's holding us back from blowing this whole bitch up is the kids. The kids. The babies. Yeah. That's my favorite line that people don't get Is I say whether I'm alone Or Creoleady marmalade in it

Like that's from that From that Vuele Yeah We know That minas of my france Yeah I know I ain't make my bed But I'm a lady in it

Whether it's sandpaper swaying And whether I'm alone A Creoleady mama In it the same pajamas I was afraid In I buggy manslave My blankets conceal my blade in it Emotional my blade in it emotional I love fuckers with strong knees and free fall

It's cloudy with a chance of meatballs I checked the weather I gave all my vices a call let's get together To talk about the highs and lows the ups and down The friends that I had to hide to come around Hey Come around Come around come around come around To work out the highs and lows the ups and downs and down

Yeah that's a one man That's a you verse I want some shoot you at the rule You know what's crazy When I recorded that I record that in Atlanta With Joey Like we went to some like

Like you know Earn Your Leisure Yeah They had like a big thing In Atlanta He just spoke out there You know This was years ago

It was like three years ago Yeah But he We went to the studio Me and Joey And after I laid my verse Saha was in the room Down the hall

He came in and he blessed The verse Like he was like Hey this one this is an all-time verse like before the beat got even crazier or anything and I was like

all right this is going on my album that's like three years ago do you have a favorite verse on this project because I thought you was I thought you was what's that other verse I'm packing my bag

and once I unpacked I'm back in my bag yeah like that I love the join with me and Victor back to the goal my favorite that's my shit yeah speed of light shit is crazy the last verse

So the album is crazy, too. That's the damn the best. I want to play that, but I also want to play this, too. I feel like you got off here. You probably don't even know you got off here. This is actually my best. Okay. So you do know you got off of here.

You know what's going to sing dirty. Nowadays you're 13, you got to think 30. Can't be out of sitting waiting on the next man. That's a dogification. I'm trying to just about a dogification. What happened? Let me just break this down real quick because there's three important things you've got to know to understand this song and I understand the whole album.

The whole album works in motifs and like they, and they fall throughout the album. So one, at the beginning, when I say, you know it's 30 when to sing 30, nowadays you're 13, you gotta think 30. And I lay out all these rules for growing up now being 13. Oh, I wanna ask about those rules too. That's adultification.

And so adultification is like, it's not just like over-sexualizing kids when they're young. It's also like thinking that they're ready to bear the pain or don't experience the pain that they do as children, that adults do. So like there's this way that we imagine black boys, especially as men, that is like just a part of living now. That's like culturally there.

The second one, obviously in the second verse, you talk about like medical racism and malpractice. And the third one is intersectionality. That's like the, that's the my problem is your problem. But like really big on the medical malpractice thing is mislabeling and misdiagnosing things. Children especially. So throughout the album, I'm talking about how I was graded or valued over time and having this opposite understanding of myself.

Like, no, I know I'm smart. I know I know this work. I know I'm creative, but I'm being labeled or mislaced. or diagnosed or misdiagnosed or graded unfairly in this way. I make a lot of references to that throughout the album. So if you understand the use of words and how powerful they are,

like throughout the album, you get to love it way more because it's like a lot of reaching into that. How do you promote something like that? Like that, just like that, get these moments to speak in and be heard. Literally, that's the best place to say that. Some people need to hear it out.

Yeah, I need to hear it. I love the album. I've been playing it, but I never caught on that detail. Yeah. Can I ask, do you feel like you have that, like, Donald Duck Matthews thing in music? I don't know who that is. I thought she was going to say Donald Duck. No, no, no. So, Donald, it's the guy from Five Heartbeats. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Robert Townsend? Yes. So they would say he was always going to be at his peak or always achieve his prime

when he's going through the worst things in his life. Do you feel like you? I hope not. I hate that idea. Like, I think we got to stop promoting that. idea like everybody is a human being like no matter what they is no i'm saying this is serious though because you've been an artist like it's a thing like they used to say the same shit about him that's what i'm saying don't promote that to artists because that's how artists end up dying and words at power we listen to the fans we cannot control it like we cannot control that's the reason why we get and on stages in front of cameras because we love adulation we love being you know told by the people we're doing good

and so we listen to people and that whole like oh we gonna bully this artist oh we gonna you know what I'm saying like like this artist should be sad this artist should be they were better on drugs whatever shit like that like even if you feel like yo tweets not getting

to people like that niggas see that shit they feel that shit so yeah it's why we didn't get an album for fucking 10 years yeah I'm saying it's really like we just forget that people are people and all senses of it even just going to a restaurant Period. And we just got to keep reminding ourselves that people are people. So, like, you can't, you can't lean into the idea that, like, I need heartbreak. You do need experience. Like, you need to live life. Like, I was living life for six years. I was doing a lot of things, like building a lot of stuff. But thinking that you have to be depressed or you have to be going through heartbreak or you have to be on drugs, you have to be, you know, suicide or whatever. Like, that's not, that's not real. Like, like, I like, I like, I like, I like. like happy music, to be honest with you.

Like, we all, like, we also, we all have different emotions and moves. Yeah, sure. You know what I'm saying? Different music for different times. Sure. You preach them right now, but I still like this dark version of you better than the three-half version. It ain't all dark.

I'm just older and better. I'm better at rapping. I'm better than everybody at rapping. Now, the three-hats. Wait, wait, wait, wait, before you say the three-hats, let me just say this. Go ahead. Listen to my album, man. Go listen to my album.

You feel me? because I'm rapping not just better than Chance 3 raps, not just better than ass raps, I'm rapping. I said that. I said that. And I pre, like, I said that.

That's why I need you to say that. That's why I need to be able to be up here because y'all was having a conversation another day about how do you promote music without drama? Like, with just the music. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm the people's champ

and I'm good as fuck. So it's like, it's like, nah. Nah, it's not. We don't know. So if I'm rapping the way that I'm rapping, like, that's, it got to be carried on the shoulders of people that want to say, I'm standing on this one.

This is what I fuck with. I agree. There's definitely a train effect happening after, I hate to keep going by, but after the Kendrick, you see the clips, Freddie Gibbs, you, people just wanting to get back to you. We just raping. We put out everybody's wraps.

That's how we should judge it. Print out everybody's raps and read them. They can't do that. Niggas turn out Every time we talk about Nags can't do that Every time we talk about All the raps that's coming out

And like it's just a good summer And it's just a Man, Starline Print out my raps Print out everybody's rap And read them What are your favorite albums this year? Starline

That's you Starline He said he has a eat All year He ain't listening to no damn I'm listening to everybody I'm not disrespecting anybody's art I'm just saying like

I got a fight for my life out here yeah yeah like I and my shit is available so you could always listen to my shit and just say wow and it's great that shit is great it's great greatness is impasse highs and lows did sound like Kanye was coming on in the end at the third verse I meant to ask something about that book I mean I'm just talking about the record right yeah it sounds like it feels like yeah but I I had an I had an assumption and people killed me for it or just a thought that when people work with Kanye they first get with him it's a great experience as far as creatively you learn but you start to do your

best work after you remove yourself from him do you feel like you had that that feeling like you took what you needed to take but there was also a freeing thing of not having to be attached to him and gave what you needed to get yeah yeah no no of course of course but yeah yeah i feel like to like to answer it's not it's just like I'm just like to frame it like I don't feel like I was ever under Kanye

I helped him I helped him and I and I and was in the studio with him and you know what I'm saying when I did my first album he was on I mean not my first time when I did the coloring book joint he was on the intro of that

like he's helped me and I've helped him I've never been one of his artists you know what I'm saying I I'm very I've always been very open about how influential he was on me making music, period. Like me wanting to be an artist, him being from Chicago, him, the certain type of influences that he had always spoke to me. And so that's always been in my music even before I met him. I've always sounded like somebody that grew up listening to Kanye.

But it's not like there's this like mass separation or like, you know, cataclysmic event that happens that it's like now I'm on this era of post-kindia. You all just did a couple of records ago. Got it. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not trying to like, you know, diminish the value of it either. It's just like, I don't look at my life like pre and post-conier. Got it.

How important was it to start the album with Do or Die? It was everything. For you. Everything. Because when it came on track two, I'm like, that's intentional. Yeah. Because the whole thing of this album is like, it's important that it's subversive. and like that you don't

that everything's not super in your face because I got a lot of records that I made that are angry and I probably could have gotten trouble for you feel me so like making it in a way that's smooth it's subtle yeah that's to me that's pimping like Chicago is heavy on pimping like just like you know what I'm saying fly shit so speak and fly and all that shit that comes from do or die

to me like that's like west side pimping culture And so I wanted to like lay out When we're about to embark on the album And go for this ride Like you want like that Cadillac field That's just like you know what I'm saying To smooth you into it But it's like them some of my most

Like I'm on that kind of rhymes What was your first record you recorded for this album? The oldest one on there is Speed of Light Speed of light Really? That's 20% That's like 2021 maybe It's when I started

It's like the beat like it took a long time to make it but but yeah it's like a lot of the records there's only a few of them that are like very very recent the pretty with the Debarge sample that was like very like right before that one came out. I love that sample. The drapedomania with baby

chief that was last minute too. Was there a lot of like going back and re-recorded stuff or was it more production that you were taking time building the wrong? It was more so I think the re-recorded the verses like I have so many verses for every song but what I was explaining recently

I'd be thinking of like a, you know, like a concept or a title first. Yeah. And then I'll just make a bunch of songs that I name that shit, like over different beats and different verses and stuff until I get to where I'm trying to get to. What's the most amount of roughs you had for one song in the time? For verses, probably space and time. Or no, for verses, either space and time of the speed of love

and for like production, it's either the intro because there was like 120 versions of that and then now all of the songs were like somewhere around

like edit 70 and a shoot when I put it out yeah damn who's doing with that you said who was that's us like trying to perfect

is that your normal process or that's more for this album yeah no I think since like 2014 like after ashrap once I did like surf coloring book and all that stuff like I started working more with like bringing in additional producers

as the beat grows, like, you know, re-recorded my vocals, bringing in background vocalists, bringing in features, getting people to flip the beat. So each time the beat changes, it's just... You re-recorded. Yeah. Who's who's gunning your purse? That's my homie Dex.

He, uh, yeah, he's from the rack, like, he produces for G. Herbo, but that's been, that's my executive producer. That's, like, who's made most of the album. Oh, word. Dope. Slute to him. It's fire. Was anybody that you wanted to get on this project that scheduling didn't line up, or you just couldn't get it cleared? Hell yeah, it was a lot of

people. It was a lot of people whose schedules didn't align. And then... Do you think those, that was real? I don't know. You think they're it? I don't know. I don't know. I'll still work with any of those people.

You know what I'm saying? They'll probably work with you after. Yeah, that's what happened. Now they see the reception is like, oh, you're... They had to see if you were still listening. That's all it was. Yeah, it's crazy. But I still, like, I think it's like, everybody that was on there was supposed to be on there.

Like, I love, like, the wide, like, array of, like, just different tones, different styles and I like getting back with people like Jamila Woods, Vic BJ, BJ. You know what I'm saying? Like it's like there's so many like people that I grew up with or like worked with

over 10 years ago. But like we've been in community. We still be seeing each other. We all live in Chicago. But like getting on a record again and having new people, you know what I'm saying, find our old shit together. Because that's another thing that I'd be taken

as a luxury. Like, everybody don't know ass or rap. Everybody don't know coloring, but you think they do. Should. But like... If you don't, go go listen to them out for show. But it's people that's hearing Starline that's like, I never listened to Chance before. Like, this shit is hard. This is a great introduction to people

if they've never heard of chance. Yeah. And I mean, I'm only going to make more music. So it's like, it's good. Like, I'm 32. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I feel like I'm going to the way that it's working. I'm getting better. It's not going to take six years next time, is it? You record it right now? So hell not.

I haven't been recording. I was supposed to do like three feature verses the other day that I just want to sleep. You dubbed them, I'm gonna do them. I'm gonna do them. We'll get two schedules didn't line up. Schedule. You know what I'm saying?

The schedules. One of the things you rap a lot about is faith. This album, there were two tracks that I thought you did that really interestingly. One is the J Electronica track, which is more like what I'm used to. But letters, when you write that, you're writing a letter to the church and talking about the church. And it made me wonder, like, has your feet? faith journey changed, do you look at things dramatically different now? That's a great question.

Dramatically different? I don't think so. I've been explaining people. My grandmother, who, you know what I'm saying? That's my entry to the church. He took me to church most. Put me on to, are you familiar with James Cohn? Of course. Liberation theology. Liberation theology.

The cross and the lynching tree is one of the major basis for this album. And basically... I can feel that. So once you understand that and understand the motif of burning and trees throughout the album, like everything really makes sense. But the letter song is like me, I feel like expanse my faith because I love God. You know what I'm saying? We are the body. That's what I'm saying, the whole thing.

But I'm also critiquing the church in the ways that it's not like Christ. And what I got a better understanding of is that. You know, the church, it, in a lot of ways, won't protect the least of us. And in a lot of, like, history that I just learned recently, like, the people that was doing them lynchings was church congregations. The pastors, the deacons. White church congregations. I'm saying the whole church is throwing a party to lynch niggas. And so when I'm starting to understand the history.

of faith in the separation of the black and white church, that's how you get a verse like, you know what I'm saying, the megachurch joint. But also what I think, like, people don't recognize in that, you know what I'm saying? It's a perfect place to say it. It's like, you know, there's so many literary references throughout the album and I'm, you know,

quoting movies and quoting all this other shit. The quote that's most important than that second verse is, I rebuke you in the name of the child of God. I boil a pot of living water till it's scald and hot. because Sonia Massey was killed in her house and her last words her last words was I rebuke you in the name of the child of God so I have to carry on that word

because there's so many words that people don't get to hear until you put them there and burn them in their memory so I want everybody to hear that and understand that I'm ashamed of the lack of response from the church when that happened and the only way to get that out and platform it and the best way I can is to wrap that

and keep putting these words out so that song is radical but what's funny is everybody looks at the water song and just a drop song that's like less radical that's the one that's the one

listening I'm trying to tell y'all this shit's gonna go up like I live in Chicago like we are historically we burn shit down kind of place but we also as black folks are people that have to live

you know what I'm saying in the fallout of these burnt up communities. The West Side is still fucked up from the King riots. So we, I'm trying to present and understanding that all you've got to do is listen to people and we

would be fine. But when you don't listen, shit gets burnt down. That's probably the thesis of the whole album. That's the beauty of the album to me. I mean, I like all your projects, but this one is the most subtle. You know, the first, even coloring book, you know, it was

it wasn't heavy-handed but you were learning and teaching at the same time whereas here you feel like you're settled in and you have to kind of find it and listen carefully and break it down but it feels so even having the song titles be things like start you know the album being called Starline now you know the songs be called Dreptamania I mean

that's subtle and smart and it forces the listener to do some work to some research yeah it definitely sat me down I want people to have experiences listening to music because that's what I grew up on like I didn't we didn't have to like rank every album and listen to every album give it

points and shit like we just units that sold first week you know what I'm saying certain shit just got to us and we loved it and we sat with that same album reading the lyric books or going to azelirics.com and like reading what's being said and becoming that like I ain't go to college because the college dropout like we I listened and I learned from music and kept playing it to the point that I'm still listening to to it today and still finding out new shit. This album would be really great with liner notes. Speaking of how we used

to consume music. I wish that all this shit that you're telling us right now was somewhere when I was listening to the album on the couch stoned. You know what I mean? I'm going to figure out a way to do it. I want to teach a class. I want to teach a class. I want to do a class because I feel like on some writing shit

I could do a class on and that's just me talking my rapping shit. I'm not. I'm speaking a little bit. No, you're correct. You're right. You're right. But like I could do a lecture, you know what I'm saying, on just on this album, from a literary standpoint, from, you know what the thesis is, and just like what we were talking about earlier. How we, in the streets, like we pushing this music and thanks to community, actual legwork and relationships, like I'm still in this conversation. This shit not going to get stepped on. I'm going to be loud about the album and I'm going to be everywhere to.

everybody else be? I don't want to say it should have been a part of a rollout because nothing about this feels like a rollout feels like it's genuine. I think everything you're saying right now, literally you can just pick up a camera and get like you're saying I want to do a class. Just do the class.

Me hearing this, I'm having a better full in-depth understanding of the album. I first went to listen. I got to talk to Mark about it. I'm talking about a class. I'm talking about like Louvre got a class. What is that? What is that? Oh, you're talking about, like, a class.

Let's do it. Like a lecture. Yeah, let's talk about it. As you were talking, I was like, I was thinking at three places you could do it right at the top of the head. Hold on. They, they, they, what did you say? I was just saying, it's not an F in death.

Is that me? Yeah, that's you. It's not a F, it's a P-T. But I just do you. I let those pass on. It's like a thug interview. I knew what he was going to say. Chance is doing the class, not Amani.

We're good. Yeah. I like, I like, I like, I like, everybody slow to fuck down. I like the money's point. I like what you're saying. Also, I would like to see these historical campuses continue to have us

loop the lupes. And, yeah. Oh, my God. Guru, G. Guru. Like, have some of those minds come and chances on that list for me? Well, I'm only saying that because

y'all was speaking earlier to the meek and saying, well, if you can't find the people who are looking to do it or you just do it yourself. So I would love to be able to turn on the computer or the TV or whatever, and just see Chants and Lupe decide to do it on the own.

I feel that too. And not wait on... Houseway. No, I'm just kidding. No, I need a university. Like, I'm trying to go to a two-way place and be like, this is, this semester, come find out how this works.

But even if you can't, you'll start with the crawling on Instagram and start walking into the university and get hold of it and bring you in. Yeah, I'm bringing people into the album. Because at the end of the day, like, the shit that we're talking about is like, 10th to 12th listen

type conversations. You know what I'm saying? Like the intro to the album like your introduction to the album is going to be based on pitch and melody and recognizing samples and like catchy hooks. Like it's not going to be about

the layer that we're talking about. So I have to still give the album time to breathe and keep there's so many people that don't even know I dropped the album. You know what I'm saying? So I got to just keep this legwork of putting the album in front of people. But in moments like this is the best time for me to be like oh yeah somebody that's watching this shit that has listened to it 12 times this is what I was

talking about that I was talking about you know what I'm saying how does this experience how does this experience differ from when you were seemingly on top of the world like when the Grammys was changing the rules like how different how many people have turned their back on you how many people that you loved are no longer around how many people that saw the vision magically disappeared like how different is this is this experience than what you experienced before. When you're involved in one of probably my worst tics ever, where I was like, Chance is going to take the baton from Drake,

and that's going to be the end of that. You did start that. I said that. People quoted all the time, they're like, remember people were saying that? It was really just Joe. Nobody else said that but me. You were doing that to this Drake. You ended up fucking me over with that.

No, you know what? I felt like that when I was on everyday struggle. Because it was like, who's going to be as lyrical as moral, as marketable as political who's going to I just felt like you okay wait no go ahead say what you're going to say chance I'm acting like you wasn't popping up at all of the Chicago political I thought you were just comparing me to Drake for a second oh no no no no no I wouldn't do that I'm just saying

you checked a lot of boxes for me as an MC when coloring book came out I appreciate it no I felt the love and I felt like this is gonna fuck me over but it's like I don't I never wanted to be the nobody. I didn't even want to be the next conier. I just wanted to have people like my music and like me through my music because that's what kids that do talent shows and open mics feel like. Unfortunately, when you drop a bunch of really good albums and they changed the rules of the business, people are going to have it. People line up the way to you. It's going to be a different level of that. That move for me. Yeah, I just thought some other shit was coming after that. I

ain't going to lie. Once they changed the rule and you won, it was like, oh, no whole bar. He's out of here. Yeah. He's gone. I mean, that rule change wasn't about me though. Like that rule change was so that streaming could become more of a like an applicable space. Unfortunately, you're the poster chat. Yeah. No, I definitely help segue it in. And to be honest, I don't like that shit. Like, I feel like I, we all understand the gripes that artists, even in the film

industry have with streaming versus, you know what I'm saying, VOD or being able to sell your actual product. And in a way, I helped usher that in. But I was dealing with streaming in a completely different way before Apple Music. So let's make sure that we add the context that I didn't sell none of my music for my first two mixtapes. Like all my show was available on DAPF, on YouTube, on SoundCloud, and spaces that were not official DSPs. So when I did the move with Apple, I'm like the seventh artist to do it. I'm just the first independent one.

And I did. You know what I'm saying? Kintz, like, yeah, I did what I did. Knocked it off the park. You know what I'm saying? But I feel like that wasn't, I think, the grandmas. Grammys helped me more than putting my music on streaming. Like, winning the Grammys,

like, that's how I was able to do all the stuff with the schools. Not that we're in the perfect space now, but, like, the Stop Gap budget in 2017, like being able to, like, work with major brands getting on the I'm the one song with, like, I feel like a lot more shit happened for me once I won the Grammys. I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

Before that, like, 2016, when the album dropped, it was dope, and, like, people liked it, and I think Complex might have called it the rap album of the year, but it wasn't, like, It wasn't as big as one dance or like I wasn't having the same year Drake was having or anybody else. Like the Grammys kind of switched

that conversation, I feel like, around. And then I didn't drop another album until the big day and then they got shit it on it on the internet. You said, I'll fuck all y'all. You know what I'm saying? And then now you got Starline. Did you have any feelings

about the role that hip hop played and choosing the president? The role that hip hop played choosing the president. Well, the role... I'm not taking no responsibility. Not just musicians. Hip hop.

whether that's hip hop media hip hop journalists the opinion of hip hop either way on the Trump side or the Kamala side did you feel any way about any of that I feel like those are different verticals like hip hop to me is so real

like I don't be I don't just accept everything as being a part of the culture just because niggas is doing it in an adjacent way or like that how do you feel about hip hop's ability to be used um well we don't so now we are

Are we going to go political? We don't own shit. Like, we, like, hip hop, like, the first, let me chill. No, no, you get to. No, it's true. This is, we're saying, I'm going to make the point, but I'm just saying, like, we don't own no labels. Like, our labels are subsidiaries of major labels, and we don't own really no radio stations except for a shout out to Miss Kathy Hughes.

We don't, we don't own shit. So it's like Its ability to be used like yes Everybody's trying to make a dollar Because this is America Like so But I feel like when we're talking about The verticals that are responsible

I put journalism in one category Not like hip hop journalism Because it's like We don't have no real rules No more about what is considered Like journalistic integrity Or like the spreading of misinformation Or anything like that

And yeah Niggas is trying to make money And I don't know I'm not trying to take I don't know I don't think we should take responsibility for folks being elected. I don't know. Well, some of these niggas should, but that's a conversation for another day.

But even if you don't take full responsibility, you still play a part in swaying people to vote a certain way. So even if trick-trick, or even if Beyonce or Meg played a part in convincing these 19-year-olds to vote for who Beyonce is running out there and promoting at the time, that you're not responsible for in its entirety, but you did play a part in it. I think a lot of people were indifferent, G. Because like

we, I feel like a lot of people felt like shit was getting more expensive. We still assisting in aiding Israel and bombing Palestine. We still like not taking care of the vets, still not taking care of the homeless, still like all of these things that are supposed to

be like we, I thought we signed, I thought we was all Democrat. Like we all dapping up, we all Democrats. But like we're not so some people are just like we don't know what to do so I think a lot of people is just like they've been trying to use hip hop in that way since uh what was it the

voter die campaigned like I feel like ever since then they've made like a real effort to make us feel like we have to choose the democratic side consistently because that was the hip hop you said when did you say it started? No it was before that

what did you say? The voter die is when they're real 2004 yeah I feel like four years later as when I started to fill it. The Obama moment. Okay. It might be a little because you're Chicago, but I think you're right.

I mean, for me, the question is always, you know, what's the responsibility to our? Like, I make a distinction between responsibility and blame. Like, I think you have a responsibility. You know what I mean, to speak on these issues and to help lead us in a right direction like everybody does. But I don't blame rappers for the outcome

because these outcomes are... Well, politicians are looking for hip-hop influencers to influence a demographic... to go ahead in a certain direction whether it's the most popular or whatever it is at the moment. And to me, what I love about you and a lot of these other hip hop artists

when y'all don't say I'm going to choose here or here but instead you're just going to speak to truth and offer your analysis. I don't want my rap artists to tell me who to vote for. I just want them to speak their truth. You know what I mean?

And I think that's where it gets... Do you ever feel compromised in that? Like, whatever moments where you felt like you couldn't? Yeah, I always feel like you walk in two lines of like trying to be be like I hate that that artists get made or celebrities period get made or put in positions

to be the moral compass for people or like get shamed for not you know what I'm saying being like some people obviously sometimes people are pieces of shit based on like what I find to be morally right but like we also like really go crazy on somebody when their ideas don't allow what arts are when they're a public figure and I feel like like my ideas and my understanding is my truth and there are people out there that agree based on you know what I'm saying history and data and facts and shit that that's what's what and so I'm a push towards that but like the two-party system like get having to get up and be like and feel this this weight of like you better save a world because he will kill your black

ass like that's like come home like I'm just trying to get this money I was going to make this money Can I ask you What's the one thing That you're still having an issue Like coming to grips with When it comes to being in this industry Like is there something that's still like

A problem for you That you still trying to manage through? There's a bunch The first one that comes to mind is like Y'all know I'm independent So stop trying to tax me for samples And for fucking features Are we doing this again?

No, I'm just saying, like, niggas know what it is and they, for some reason, think that it's something different and so they try and up charge me on samples. No, he might be independent now. Joe told him. Now he might be independent.

Why? Because you understand independent now? Now he might be independent. That's not fair. Okay. You know, I never believe that. He knows that too. No, I know that, but I think you said

but today, you got a real view of what independence looks like now. Tell us. Today, I think it's independent. Today is in all of this point or today, like starting today now. No, no, no, no, no.

This album, this album, this time, period. So you don't think coloring book was independent. You don't think, oh, I'm not counting. No, no, no, no, no. Joe, that's net. Sorry. Sorry. But why?

Our definitions are independent. I know. It's twisted. It's twisted. Yes. You got to explain it. If you just keep saying no, like, that's going to get clipped. So you got to give us the explanation.

Because we did this before. I don't want to rewind again. That coloring book was the, like you said, you were the eighth artist to do that with Apple. My argument back then I don't want to repeat it If you're with a behemif such as Apple And you have common interests Then we're not operating

We're not operating as a pendant That's a bad That's bad I'm just trying to understand like No it's not But is it like Because it's like Because I'm benefiting

Off of having it On their thing On their platform You signed a deal With Apple that gave you Routes that were not available Oh no I didn't get no routes All right

I'll explain it again, though. Let me explain it again. Oh, no, sorry, have we not finished? Go ahead, go ahead. And I was going to say, I didn't get no routes. I told you what I got. I got some money, which I think right now to be, it would be a lot of money. But, like, at the time was not a ton of money.

Also, while I'm done with my project, so it's not like they paying for me to get studio time or nothing like that. Gave me, I already said before, it was half a million dollars, right? Which is a lot of money, depending on who's listening. Yeah. No. You know what I'm saying? No. That's a lot of money.

Okay, that's a lot of money. They gave me 500, right? And then I was in one of their ads that they had for during the NBA finals. You were on the bus. I was on the bus. No, I wasn't on a bus. No, the bus is, that's my own money. Hold on a word.

The bus is my own billboards. But I'm saying there was a commercial that played like one time, I think, or maybe twice during the NBA finals. Do you own the album? You said what? Do you all the album? 100%. Did you pay to make the album yourself? Yeah.

Then it was independent. But wait, let me finish. I want to get the points across about the Apple thing. Go ahead. Because two points. We always make a big deal, and I see the meme get resurfaced, not mean, but the infographic get resurfaced about how Frank tricked his label and became independent through his Apple Music deal.

So if he used it to get out of it, how is me using it make me a part of the system? And better yet, if we're explaining that with context, there's hell of artists between Apple and Title that are putting out exclusive projects to help them in their own streaming war. I'm going to word bomb me. Do you know what the streaming war was? Does anybody remember this? I'll explain it for the viewers.

Before there was an Amazon music, there was Apple Music, title, and the longest-standing one was called Spotify. Spotify had all the users. So these other two DSPs that were coming up, wanted to, you know what I'm saying, join the gang, and they started doing exclusive albums with artists

where for the first two weeks, like Beyonce, like, like, like Cov like, a bunch of people did, it with either title or Apple Music and for two weeks you can only get it there and I was not the first nigga to do this I was the only nigga that is independent that did it

might have been the last. I wasn't the last either we just talked about Frank. They changed it not long after. But we just talked about Frank so I wasn't the last person to do it either and I kept my master's, I never had to give up anything. The only thing I really gave up was I probably could have been number one.

My music was only available in one place I could even put it on sound play. You got You had to, at this time, niggas didn't even have Apple Music. So people had to fuck with me enough to add this subscription and get this. It's like putting something on Netflix only. That person is not independent because they movie got on Netflix. So on one hand, you do acknowledge that you may have been the mascot for them ushering in a new way of business. Streaming specifically.

It's not even about Apple. That's the industry as a whole. The Grammys didn't use to accept. Like, unless you had a physical album, you couldn't be nominated for a Grammy. That changed the year that I won for Color and Book. And that became the first stream-and-only album to win a Grammy. But there were people that were putting out albums that were only on streaming before that. We just talked about mixtape.

Just talked about Dadpiff. As-A-Rap couldn't be nominated for a Grammy because of the fact that it didn't have a physical format. And that's what I'm saying is I didn't have a physical format for this album. And I still won. Like, my shit was crucial. deserving to win. Yeah, great. So I don't want to make it sound like I'm thinking that some strings was pulled for you to win.

You were deserving to win. I just feel like there were interests, there were interests above yours that made it appear like you were operating than something differently than you were. I'm not mad at what parks are saying. You own it. You pay for it. You got it. It's yours. You're independent.

But to the public, when rules get to changing and things start looking different. then the word is going to be different. That's his spin to me. That's narrative. We had this fight. We'll push it up with the clips. We did. We had this fight.

I'm just interested that you have this tape. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Always been my time. I know. Listen, I know, but I'm just looking at you and what you've established in this sense. It kind of resembles to me what he did in certain ways.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's a different type of battle and different type of support. But you've preached independence. He's an elite rapper. Chance is an elite rapper. This podcast is independent, right? This podcast is independent, but it has some of the most major looks

that most people can't even buy. It has a sponsorship from prospects. Yeah. Let me say this. Let me say this. That's important. See? And you had cash out.

At one point. What I did was I changed the industry. So I don't want anybody to rebrand the truth. With great music, too, by the way. With great music. That's a fact. And it's okay to say as an independent artist. Talk this shit.

Before there was a time where people even believed in streaming, I was changing the game with ASARAP. I shut down Datpiff. I shut down Fakesha. When ASAWRAP came out, it was so streamed that major outlets were reporting on it because it was the most important project.

Jay Cole tweeted about ASAWrap. And this is when we're, I mean, he's still my senior, but I'm just saying at the time I was relatively unknown. And so my project was so important that when I went into deals like at that time nobody believed in doing a all right so this is a conversation

that we would understand when you do an album you get a budget towards mechanical copies right physical and that's a big part of the budget so when I'm going into deals I'm telling them as a kid

I don't want no physical copies in my deal just give me money and I'm gonna put it out through these other spaces and we'll make the money off for this this and this right they like hell no

hell no we need mechanical copies nobody believed done the idea of streaming. I stuck to that the whole time to the point that Apple Music, Spotify, and other people was like, we need to make money off of this that had to conform.

You convinced me, I got to stop short selling you. Yeah. Come on. Accountability. Countability. Countability. That's easy. That's a damn.

Hey, you guys convinced me, chance you convince me, I'll stop doing that. The reshaping of things. We got to tell the story the way it is. How it happened, especially when it comes to ours.

Especially if you are a person Especially when they come to ours and us. But they're going to do it on their own. We don't need to help them. That's fine. We don't need to help. I'm on chance side now. He's independent, nigga.

Fuck your up. Stupid. How are you spending your time? You're free time. Do you have any? No, I don't. I'm on this fucking rollout, this post rollout. So I just been running around.

But I guess I don't know what we did in our free time. We'd be going to parties and shit. But I'll be sometimes working at those parties. I'm like doing a club out here today. I'm going to like party till I'm going. I remember I'm working. You're doing a club out of you today? Yeah.

What's it called? Oh. What is it? It's some club in New York. I don't know. I'm showing up. Shout out to that club. Yeah.

We got to go see what the poetic bitches is doing. Oh, it's not a night. Read books and shit. It's our resident. Hey, we got to go see what the poet holds is up to. It's all right. Our resident, I resident, daddy. That's inside.

Yo, whoa. I'll break some dog chomper. fucking crazy. It's crazy. Not outside in there. Oh, you know about it? Yeah. They booked Amani the singer. If it's outside, he know about it. If it's outside in New York, he knows. You got to have a good time,

man. Any other recommendations, send y'all some other spots. I'm gonna lock in with you, Moni. See? And bring this nigga, this strip club, man. Get rid of this holy ghost. Nah, I ain't got to do that. Get rid of all this holy ghost shit he on. It's so funny the way that people perceive me, but I do appreciate that because it's really just like

and allow you to keep your innocent. It's a blessing. Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's a compliment. I don't know. I believe in the strip club. I believe in the strip club. I believe in the strip club, and I believe in Jesus. I believe in, I believe in, I believe in, especially in black on strip clubs,

and especially ones that do good business, that take care of everybody. And it's like a cultural thing. Like, when you in Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, like, Florida, certain places, like, it's a, it reminds me a Ghana. Like, it's like, everybody. Them asses. You know what I'm saying? The asses too, but I'm saying, like, everybody's in there

is working a part of an ecosystem. There's a culture. There's a culture that exists. We're sharing money. We share money in a way that's, like, culturally ours. And it's different from any other stuff. Sharing money-ish.

Yes. I share. Money. He means circulating the money. Not sharing other things. It means circulating the money in the ecosystem. Not you're giving it to the Spanish. That don't count you're getting a ginger beer.

And they sit in Ecuador. You got to throw the money. Afro-Caribians Yeah Just me and you Tim's I don't touch you What else do I need to know

For me chance So listen So the VMAs aired The other night Yeah Do you have any feelings When I'm canceling The Hip Hop Awards

Did you see the VMAs Did it look like they took Our Hip Hop Award money And And followed it over it I ain't gonna front I watched I didn't watch it

but when I went to peak it didn't look a little more expensive It did That's crazy It's been looked like that for a little while I actually once in one Like maybe three or four years ago A friend of mine was dating

With something that worked over there So I went It looked kind of similar You had a lavender suit on You all spent more money over there We out of touch yo It's been looking like that It's not for us no more

Because all the artists y'all was confused about Being up there and all that I'm very aware of those people Because I pay enough attention But this shit is I gotta say Doja Cat was

fire. A fire. That was hip hop as fuck and she could rap and she could dance. She went crazy. It was just raw. Like it reminded me of like

it made me say like damn she's one of my generation superstars like there are kids that are going to grow up. Before you take down my tape, let me just say you got to imagine you got to imagine being a kid

and seeing that shit it's crazy like she spaz you ain't fuck with the performance I didn't see the awards. Yeah, we are old niggas now. It was the opening. It was the opening of it. We're the old niggas now.

I didn't see the whole thing. That's still fuck with her performance, though. Yeah, I fuck with anything Doja Cat do. And I'm not mad at nobody that fucks with anything Doja Cat. I like to hear your enthusiasm when it comes to Doja Cat. I was one of the first people on Doja Cat. Oh, you are one of us.

The bitch I'm a cow. Move. Moose it was fine. I've been a Doja Cat fan. We shouldn't have been on her for that. No, that was creative. That's what blew her up. That was the first thing that made.

Like, people start paying attention to me. To me, maybe not. Maybe she has shit before that. Bitch, I'm a cow. Classic. Move. Did you get the current league? Come on.

Yeah. Oh, shit, you're about to bust a two-step. That's a classic. Good boy, yo. That's a classic. Shout out to Doja, cats. We love you. Facts.

That makes, this is old, yo. Oh, man. Tell you. I didn't see. It was good to see. It was good to see. Knock the spot. Ariana Grande still is dealing with her nutritionist.

Kai, Joe. See, see. Hello? Did you all see it? Don't do that, Joe. Did you see it? No. The young lady is...

You can tell you got a meal bread. You get two... I'm not laughing. You get two peas. We don't know what's going on with her. All right. Who was that to put the baby diet on the internet that one time back in the day? Summer Walker.

Yeah. Someone said, all right. One plan. A pair and two peas. You see her out there too. Right, stop foot. Oh shit. Someone, yeah.

Listen, we got to get to Chattie Patti when Chans leave. He has too much integrity for this. We'll do this when he leaves. These are my peers. Like, everybody to see them. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's good, though. Everybody looks good.

You know what I will say? And then I'll move on is that while I've really liked how someone showed up. Because how she showed up with that old white man was, uh, it matched the songs. Ah. But match the outfit. Like, it's like performance. No, but fuck that. Yes.

The outfit was a pan. Anderson, old school. She embodied what MTV. She did a great job. But her music, everything that suspended, this was how she was supposed to show up to the awards. With an old white dude that looked like he was going

to blow a bag, it matched. Let's get back to your actual aesthetic matching the music. I like that. I'm a fan of that. I like the whole awards for that. It reminded me of classic when MTV first started, even down to the set design and all

So you watched the award I watched the whole thing And honestly I watched it from Not the drop What a bitch No I did work I did work No you're right

Yeah no That's piece It was a joke from earlier I removed myself from watching it From my own personal taste As a 42 year old man And started to think What are these kids home watching

And how do they receive this music now Like the tape McCraise or who These people are popping And they don't know what else was popping. Raven's bills, nigga. Hey, check this out.

Hey, hey, hold of us. If you say Tate McCray one more time, I think he's crazy, you know. Fuck it.

All right, all right. Amani's like, here you have it. Hit the drop. Yo, Warren. Wow.

You know what it is. You don't love music. That's what it is. Y'all don't love music. Oh, we love football. No, you don't. No, no problem. Gay people.

Gave people work for me right now. When you came in, when you came in, your reading skills were on display. Yeah. You read our board. Now, I'm not going to say what's up to you. I'm not saying what's up there. And you don't have to say it either. I can't.

I just know what y'all wrote. I don't know anything about that shit. Oh. I don't know. I don't be on the internet, man. It says that redacted says. nigger look at his face

yeah that's how crazy it's fine it's fine we'll talk about it when you leave what else is important what else is important what else is important are you going to this album yeah I feel like you would have to yeah I'm actually going on tour in like two weeks I'm going I'm going on a tour with

with my guy Peter Cottontail I'm doing like a bunch like it's like a small run like 14 cities I think in like a month's time. But it's like Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans. New York? We got New York.

It's already sold out. But they're like more intimate shows. Like 3,000 people. You can probably find a couple extra tickets in this. Like 70. Y'all could come, of course. Wait, wait. What you said, what's the intimate show?

3K? Yeah, these are. I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it's super small. I'm not saying it's super small. I'm grateful for, you know what it is. Shout out to all the cities. You know what I'm saying?

Far from SOBs, man. Yeah. That was day one, man. I'm glad that you see me. Tell this nigga again. I'm independent, phone. I was at SOBs, man. And then you were in Cityfield.

I was there for that one. Yeah, yeah. I also remember your hair MSG book. Oh, yeah, different. I'm just saying it's a, you know what I'm saying? Evolution. Ain't your dad like the mayor of North America? No, why do people think that?

No. My dad. The whole shit. A blood chance is doing the class. Obama said he was on a first name basis with your dad. No, my dad, my dad used to work for Obama. Yeah, he said he watched you grow up. Independent.

That's extra. That's extra. That nigga ain't watched me grow up. That's called a nigga. Not to call him a nigger. That nigger ain't watched me grow up as to him. That nigger was, yeah. That's funny.

No, but it's like, you know, I've learned so much and I respect how you, like, talk about shit. I'm trying to get you a dad with him. Wait till a little about him. Y'all got to, that's what I'm leaving with the pot is, Like, like, like, Mark be saying, Mark be saying the important things for it. And I feel like there's so many things that like, niggas just don't get to talk about. Because like, this is where everybody goes to to get information. So like, when you, when you putting out a point, like, please spit the whole lit, like, mm-rah, like, because that's, I really watch this shit.

Spit the whole. Spit the whole lick. Hit them drop again. Spit the whole lit But your hands was right I'm not No problem gay people They work for right now

I'm damn there Every day Because they work for me That's really a funny job That shit is hilarious Did you watch that thug interview And did you love it as much as we did I absolutely loved it

That shit is Cointel Pro Mm Let's hear it Say wool It goes back to the point I was just making about Mark When you got important things to say, talk about that shit. Facts.

I could talk about, we could talk about the important things. You're the man, you know. You're the fucking me. He's the man. What do you think is the most important thing we don't talk about? Good question. Or what's the least important thing that we do talk about? I think the most, both.

And's both. I think the least important thing, yeah, let's start with the least important thing. I think the least important thing is things that are already viral unless you have a new perspective on them. And I think the most important thing, or I guess the most relevant thing to us right now is that, like, the government is arming the National Guard and other armed forces against the civilians of the country. And so I live in Chicago. I'm sure they, niggas is coming to New York. I'm sure they come into every metropolitan city and we end that shit right now and we haven't seen a city go up in flames in a while but that's a part of the that's a part of the tradition I think that's the design so it's like that's that's crucial and it don't got to be from a like oh I'm Democrat or no shit like that it's just got to be from a human perspective but I think that's that's the most important thing were you on Twitter when they thought that Trump was dead I did see that I knew he He wasn't dead, though.

But it still was a fun. It's just like a, it still was, I feel like. We still was having a little time. Some of that should be Cointel Pro too. Like a distraction. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? So I just feel like we just, we got to do away

with the distractions, yeah. But I mean, it's like real life is real life too. So it's always good to have a fun conversation and talk about shit with different perspectives. I think I was just talking to somebody about this other day, Like, when celebrities go through some shit, it's presented to you in a way where, like, you have to be choosing one of these two polarizing sides

in a larger conversation. That's not even about the people that the story is written on. But the people that's in the story feel the brunt of the weight of, like, all the disses that come with it and all the, like, disapproval that comes with it. And so the most important people right now in this, at this level of the war is journalist and people with pens and papers

and microphones and keyboards and shit like that and so when y'all got a mic it don't got to be every episode but I'm just saying when you guys do get deep it's raw you could hit the drop again I'm sorry we're gonna let it pass

he caught it too right? We're taking up birds with us every day so right now. I'm definitely around gay people every day because they work for me. That's facts, though, man.

Come on, man. No, he's right. Yeah. Random question. Who do you have your best relationship with as far as the industry goes? Ooh, that's a good question. All right, I'm a name.

And if you say Doja Cat. Three people. I don't have a relationship with Doja Cat. I just think she's fine. The, uh, and I don't got a non-relationship with you. I know her. All right.

Look, number one. Number one, Dave Chappelle. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's been my mentor for like 13 years and he just is there for me and calls me to check up on me but also like I'll call him randomly and just say some random shit. Oh, he told him he didn't have a phone. Stupid.

I believe you. That's such a like fast, funny. He's talking shit, man. I don't have phone. That's a great way to start this. Yeah, it is. Dave, important relationships. Also, like, there's a bunch of people in Chicago

or from Chicago that, like, Jeremy and Herb are, like, those, like, really, like, my brothers. Vic, obviously. In terms of elders, it's more, like, Dave, Ms. Lauren Hill, NDRR. and Joe Scott, I gotta say thank you so I gotta say Jill Scott

She gave to this album in a way that you can't hear But like and I I if she ever wants to tell the story I'll let her tell the story but like no she really really help me down You gotta know like it's some people that are just people and if you call them and you like I need this and Philly She gonna be like I got you Jill I thought it was you We love Jill up Jill and Erica Jill is a friend of the show

And Erica too thank you so much Erica gave like my last person my album or the last song of my album I quoted her a bunch from a poem and I didn't think about it until like the day that before the album was going to come out like oh I need to hit her and she was like you good I still gave her you know percentage of the song but like she was like don't freak out about it put out your art type shit I just like very stand up very good what percentage of the song I'm about saying send that check yeah yeah talking to my there's a lot of a lot of side artists You know what I was like, you know what I'm saying? Everybody got what they got.

Do you watch docs and shit? Yeah, I really don't watch documentaries as much as I watch video essays. Y'all ever watch video essays on YouTube? That's the shit. That's how I'd be learning everything I like. That's my dog. No, I told you that's the one. That's like, if you want to watch some shit on some, like, breaking down anything,

like music, but also like politics and capitalism and fucking the history of random words and shit like that, like he gives real, like, full-length. like there'll be like two hours sometimes breakdowns on certain things he did a really really dope video y'all might have seen during the Kendrick and drake beat yeah that's me fully blew up it's like three hours long but what's the name fd signify i should fd signify but what i love is like when a movie is subversive and it makes you think it's about one thing and then it ends up being like a deeper dive in another direction great example dear mama if y'all haven't seen the tupac documentary dear mama you think it's about tupac but it's really about his moms like that's

deep as fuck but this dude he did a video about kendrick and And Drake, you think it's about to be about all the lyrics that they say, he spends like an hour and a half just breaking down the history of hip hop, the different male archetypes that they present us in hip hop, what a gatekeeper is. Like he explains all these things on like a granular, like on a molecular level of like how everything works and builds it up to their shit and then makes an argument for why it went, how it went to people. Do you feel like we should have some type of barrier of entry? Yeah, 100%. And if so, who should come up with it? That's the issue. Who should come up with it?

Yeah, I think there should be a group of people that sit to write. Yeah, they have to write out what are the important things and then ask people if they want to be a part of it. But I think like there's a, I've been saying since I first started, we needed a union. Like I think we. For sure. There's a lot of randomly, like we organize around things with petitions and stuff. but that just like it's too high visibly

where it could affect our careers whereas if there was something that was planned you know what I'm saying confidentially and now it's starting to sound like an Illuminati I'm just saying like this like if we made our own little declaration of independence and it was like this is what we do

this is what we're not going for blah blah blah blah blah blah this is how we will show up for each other if something happens and then just let people join the people who probably will be able to make that type of effect and change they already benefit so much from it not changing. So, like, who do you think would even want to take the risk

of being a martyr in that situation? Because whoever tries to do that, they're going to get the Jesse Ventura treatment and all that other stuff. They're going to... Yeah, I was... I don't know how that... It has to be the O'Gs.

I feel like it has to be the niggas that... Like, Hove. It got to be, like, niggas with the money. Really, you need money? Yeah, I was about to say, but if somebody's financial health is riding on not that being yeah you know what I mean like you got a teeter the line a lot of people can't necessarily afford to do that everybody not independent I don't think no I'm joking I'm just saying

but not just that like back to your other point we don't own shit yeah so no matter how many petitions you sign nigga you own shit and they're not going to not stop we own our will true and we own most cases I hope our image and likeness so we can decide where and when we show up and if we let people use our shit and like when it comes down and saying like there was just something that just came out where

like a bunch of actors and actresses was like we not working with any like Israeli defense like funded movie studios. This is like the other day like 32 people signed that. Like that's great and it makes a point but also like all 32 of those people

can be penalized somehow or like have a visual reaction of them. Whereas if Hove and some other people was like, secretly, that's what we've been working on. Here's the email saying that you could join that shit. Right. That's how you do it. That's how the NBA was able to, like

with the... The players league? When Chris Paul and DeWain and then we're taking the lead on it. Now everybody can buy in on it. Whereas if it's if it's just the 12th guy on the bench who's a radical, they can just dispose of that person. And needs to say anything with these artists. We've got to have a wide man. Do you believe that there is a such thing as the Illuminati?

Hell yeah. I thought that was a fact. Is that a debated thing? They're still debating. It's debated. Yeah, come on. It might not be a centralized, real card-carrying membership, but I think it would have monthly beats or something. I think they might still have monthly beats.

Yeah, I think they carry a card. All right. So let me ask you a tougher question. I'm not certain how big you are on health. I keep saying you look great. Have you had a chance to see Bad Bunny's bunny hop? No, what's that? Bad Bunny had his show and people.

Puerto Rico, he was doing like a bunny hop and he appeared to hurt his knee in the process. Poor guy. You cried? I did. Like he hurt himself bad? No. I don't think. Now I got to show you. Y'all can keep talking. I'll find it.

This guy's nuts. I got to show him. He's just doing a little hop hop. He looked like he fucked his he tweaked this shit or something. He's been out there. He's been out to perform in a residency for three, four months straight, whatever it is now, two months straight. You fuck your knee up to him.

Oh, shit. Yep. Yeah, pulled something. Are you saying that was some Illuminati shit? No, no, that was a separate question. Totally, totally, totally, totally separate questions. All right, so can I ask, how does chance, this is only have none to do with music?

Yeah. And you can skip it if you want. Yeah. But how does chance the rapper, how does chance the rapper flirt? Ayo, next question. Like, what? Nick, what? That's a, that's a, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

I know because I see what you want to ask And there's a way to answer that This is the way to answer that I just think you Bro, what are you talking about? You asked it a little How do I ask it? How do you go

How do you go about That's not what we said? How do you go about showing a woman That you have interest in them? Oh no yeah, Riz like you know what I'm saying? Yeah what is your Riz Next question

I'm asked I'm serious about it Hit the button yo Like come on man Oh You're gay in the question out I don't have no problem with gay people. Gay people work for me right now. Thank you.

It's me. I don't have no problem with gay people. What I was saying is I got what's called the gift of gap. You know what I'm saying? So I just, you know what I feel? Gab. Yeah, I just talk. I just, you know what I'm saying?

I say what I say. Like, that's what it's all about is conversation, consent. You know what I'm saying? Talking it out. You know what I'm saying? That's my risk right though. Consent, conversation. You feel I mean?

All these things that meant. Yes. Yeah, what the fuck? You know, clapping it up for consent is wow. It's wonderful. But we should clap it up. You should not have to. Shut up, Mark.

Yeah, another C word. Can you go over there, holl out of me? What else do I want to know? I'm still on this album. I'm still on this album. And you get any calls that you wouldn't have expected singing the praises of this project? Yours was the best one.

yours was the best one Yeah man Come on Joe Oh you gas me up No Me and Joe have a story Like past You gotta know the lore

So like first of all We already talked way back in the day On the rap TV It wasn't rap TV But it was on MTV though And you was like Chance You know what I'm saying

He's gonna replace Drake Damn Why would you say that Then a little bit later Joe I know you remember this this is after Cullin book came out my first single is going to be this song called First World Problems

and it was like me just rapping about the shit yeah nigga and it was me rapping about my real fucking life and shit that I'd be going through and my fans like it and he shitted on it and it went viral and then I did my own interview where I was like yeah Joe used to be a rapper

but he can't rapist and then we linked up for back when you had the other pod and we had probably that was one of our best interviews. That was one of our best interviews too. That shit was super and you could watch it like a movie. So it's like

when I saw you say that you like the album but not just say that's decent or putting it in the conversation with everybody but you kept it real. You liked the album. I stood on that. And it's like I appreciate it on multiple levels. I appreciate it because you gave it context to saying like I kicked the last projects back in. I'm saying right now

I like this project personally. And two, it came, I could tell by hearing you talk about it, that you listen to it. Because so much of our shit now is looked at as product and is graded on this weird-ass scale by these quick reaction videos that, like, you don't even get people's genuine response on the album because they can't listen. They think of their time. They're rushing them. They're performing. They're performing. It's a camera in front of them.

They got to think about what their fan base might think about it. So they're contextualizing it through all of this meme as opposed to, like, given an actual review. So when you talked about it, you was like, this is what I like, this is why I like it. This is the best rap I've heard all year. And you said a bunch of facts about it. So then once, like, people get that perspective, they like, oh, that, and I hate to say it, but like, we do group things. So sometimes people need to think that other people like something before they can even deal with the fact that they like it. All the time.

That's most of my problems with group thing. And hip-hop is dumb niggas don't know rap. Yeah, they don't have the content. Yeah, so sometimes it takes somebody to say, hey, this is amazing rapping. Like, that's not done in the microwave quick monetization. Bro, most of these magazines, publications, podcasts, these motherfuckers don't know dope rap. Yeah, no. No, no.

Do we like the person or not? Who's your rapper? Who's popular? Like, the year's almost over. We got about four more months. Who's your rapper of the year outside of yourself? Outside of me, I'm going to say, you're talking about to say, malice. I'm talking about written word.

And I think Jed is fire. And I don't even mean to say, like, I don't want to like sound like I'm, you know what I'm saying? But like, Jid is a great writer, great rapper. I think Earl is a great writer, great rapper. I think that there's a lot of like real raping stove got cooks. Like, you know what I'm saying? and what's folks name? Gibbs.

But that's not who I was forgetting. That's my man's. But I was going to say, yeah, Benny and all in the Griselda folks. Everybody's rapping. There's 30 sides to making a good rap. And I'm saying that I'm going 30 for 30 every time. Like, in content and use of literary devices

and rhyme schemes and rhyme patterns. And, you know what I'm saying? Like content of lyrics to references to literally every part of it. Vocal tone, rhythm, every part of it. it, I had six years, you know what I'm saying? So obviously, and I know a lot of the other artists that dropped this year too had time to work on their shit. But you print it out, listen to it, play it in the club, do whatever you got to do, drive with it, run with it. It's going to work. It's going to work. It's like, it's a thing. So I got to say, I would say another great artist

if I had to think of it immediately this year is malice because in those same categories and a lot of those, like, I feel parallel to him. I feel like, you know what I'm saying? I don't think that he, you know what I'm saying? No disrespect. That's how you're supposed to feel as a rapper, but I don't feel like he outwrap me. I feel like when it comes to the things that I respect in the pen

and the content that I respect, then like, he's, yeah, he's incredibly, like, I mean, he's veteran. He's like, he's my senior, so I respect it totally. But this is also hip-hop, so I'm writing with the intention of being the best. Mark Lamont Hill has to babysit his dog He adopted Also known is picking up my child from daycare

Jesus I wasn't making that That's not what I was saying Oh my god He's a mom's Jesus I talked about the point He didn't know that that's what I was doing

That's wrong with you y'all So a good brother Mark has to go Mark do you have any final words For a chance to rap or Amani the singer Definitely no Yeah, go pick Never mind Go, let's go

Just go I'm just go I want no violence I don't want no violence No, I appreciate you I appreciate you man And you're my choice For album of the year so far

I appreciate the work you're doing Man let's keep building Let's keep going All right I see you I don't really have too many more questions For you but Why you ain't shake our hands

It's no We never do Yeah Mark's the king of that Irish Goodbye shit And you think that's cool Yeah We never do Yeah

back to the goal when you was going to do your rules that that shit but when you got and I'm not I can't quote you you're talking about the four black commandments yes yeah no more old man I give the four black commandments that's my favorite record on that album one watch your health that's your wealth

two don't shit on your brother that's yourself I want to hear about that one that's that's the that's one of the best thing yeah you need to hear about that one right dude I treat you like my brother and you've been shady as hell for my whole life Jesus Christ. It's the, I am

my brother's keeper, but it's more so it's Ubuntu, it's the I am because we are. And the idea is like, we have to see ourselves in each other because like, imagine when you're in a fight. Like, when you're in a fight, you've got to completely dehumanize that

person so that you could do the most damage. And we think about people all the time almost sometimes as if we're in a fight. I'm not speaking for everybody, but we otherized people. And the main weapon that you have is your brother. And

that could be your homie, that could be, it speaks a lot to me in Vick's situation even. I had to learn, we both had to learn that his success is my success. My success is his success. And so we keep going up by helping each other, by, you know what I'm saying, speaking life

into each other, to speak well about each other when we get the opportunity to. And you know what I'm saying? We know each other's 14. don't know much about that up here. Yeah, we, you got to, it just makes you strong. It makes you so strong. Which is that stupid niggas. Anyway, no, I totally agree.

Like, I think it's my son. Somebody says that all the time, like, yo, if you look at another black man as your brother, it's hard to kill your brother. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's hard to really inflict bodily injury upon somebody if you're looking at them, like you're looking in the mirror. The mirror, that's really what I'm trying to get off.

Like, you've got to see them as you. Like, that's the whole, that's empathy. That's like, I can understand how you're thinking, how you're feeling. I feel for you. And I want both of us to be up here. What is next for chance? What's left on your bucket list? What do you envision the next five to ten years looking like?

What do you see for yourself after music? Give me, give me the rundown. First, I'm going to go on this tour. You know what I'm saying? September 26th. and go touch the people because I ain't been outside on a, like, routed tour in years.

And so I got people that, you know what I'm saying, seen me 10 years ago, people that have never seen me before that, like, I got to go be in front of. So, like, I'm most thinking about that. You know what I'm saying? I got to go through this trial shit

with my ex-manager before the end of the year. Oh, that's a trial. Okay. Yeah. And then, you know what I'm saying? And then it's back to what I do. which is perform and make songs.

But I feel like this has been, you know what I'm saying, my hardest and my strongest year. And so I look at myself with scars and all and be like, let's keep fighting, let's keep going. And so yeah, I don't know, you know what's after rap because I think I just finally realized, especially while we was just talking about malice, like this is the written word, we get better with age,

until we start to regress. but, like, we, this is a art form. You just started rapping again. You can't start thinking about... No, I've been rapping. I've been rapping. I've been rapping. Out loud.

No, I mean, I've been rapping in a sense of, like, like, I started in this industry when I was, I'll say, 18 was when I first went out on the road. I mean, I've been recording since I was 14. I've learned so many things, and I've gotten better and better and better. And that's why I shun the idea of the comeback, because it's like, I mean, I'm. Maybe I came back in terms of a body of work, but I ain't never wrapped like this. I ain't, nobody ain't never rap like this. So it's like I'm recognizing that growth

and I'm recognizing that I'm only going to have more experience and better understanding all these things that I'd be wanting to talk about or explain. So I don't see myself stop rapping, but, you know, hopefully we do some SNL, do some movies, you know what I'm saying? I can see you on a big or small screen. Like, when I'm watching the new season

of the Vince Staples show, I feel like you should pop up. Like I should I feel like I should get to see you Yeah I love I love comedic acting I love dramatic acting I love all

film work period I think I was doing a bunch of shit like the Starline thing is more than an album for me so I know y'all seem

like I did the festival in Ghana like I had to do the voice so I could get the money to put on a festival overseas like I had to do certain moves

to be like this is how I'm a how I'm a move and how I'm to build up the movement that I see because my shit I love music but music is like a reflection of life

and so I also like be trying to do stuff in real life with the powers that I have to like I don't know just push forward and see it how I want to see it how was that experience doing the voice it was raw it was actually probably one of my favorite ones because you they are already like a thing

like when we did rhythm and flow it was raw as hell because we made that shirt we made up all the rules we made up how they win we made up everything like me Cardi and Tip basically and Jesse and so when we did the voice it was like plugging into some shit

that's already there but they have such a like you know it's a family show so everybody there is super nice and super involved like I've been getting texts and stuff about my album from people that do not listen to hip hop

but are my ex-co workers not ex-co workers but they on the voice like I'm talking about staff staff like it's just a building of people that fuck each other like so I do miss it for that but also like I said on the intro like Warren Hill was like

this is like this is cool but you are a specific person that has to do specific things in your purpose get to that nika and so now that i just did that i can do a little take a little time not six years you know what i'm saying but you're planning on um going back like deluxe or anything with this album or you're going to leave it as is i've been thinking about it i got this thing called writings on the wall it's like a like a go in a room and it's like a 360 projection and like you know i'd be having my text from my words on the screen and shit flashing it's like that surrounding you with like different content and stuff

and like a special like listening system. I don't got no problem with you. Oh no, that was a mistake. I was trying to play this. No, no, no. I'm about to say, damn. You're about to throw that. 360 rooms? There's nothing gay

about immersive. But shout out all the gay people. I don't want us to keep otherwise gay people. Oh, no, no. No, we don't know. We don't do that. Oh, this show loves gay people. I pretend to be something. Dap it up, man. Listen, fuck you.

Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, this door is always open to you. I say that to everybody, but with you, I mean it. This door is always open to you. Does anybody have any final questions for a chance? If not, Chance the Rapper, Starline, one of our nominees for album of the year.

If you haven't heard it, It's in your phone. It's on DSPs right this second. Please make some noise. Chance the rapper in the building. Hey, that shit was just so wrong. We love you, bro. Honestly.

Yes, we want to come see the poetic holes. Hey, yo, Lazy Fibin. Yeah, they're good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, please. Yo, y'all, are you doing vinyl for this project? I'm in there. Gotta do a vinyl.

I know you are. You are. You are. That's right. Whole Chicago was popping. Chance the rapper. Pick that album up. Stream it, listen to it, buy it.

It's crazy. Black died, September. I cried in October. Just now. Too fast I miss when it was a lot slow I got a solo I ain't gonna hold y'all man

I really enjoyed chance He's always great No bullshit Chance is great Every time you talk to him Yeah Talk this shit too Yeah

He talked his shit How he was feeling How he was looking His outlook of things I always appreciate Because he's one of them Young genius niggas Like Vince

Like he is Yeah, yeah, for sure. Him Vince and a Tyler. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

Let's get back into this speed of love and end this bad boy. So when will real love come? Once again, thanks Chance. We want to thank Chance for coming up here. Always. We want to thank Flip for coming up here. Hey, yeah. Big Flip.

We big Flip in the building. Yo, you know what's funny? Chance asked about you too. The first thing he said when he got in, Yo, Flip isn't here? I felt like such a dick. It's all right. You know, next time, man.

You know what I? You don't be fucking with the music guys, but they fuck with you. Yeah. They fuck with you. And they was like, yo, I've been following him for a long time. Yeah, he was a huge fan of yours.

They didn't even say nothing about Drewski. Hey, yo, we know you want to get a deal with Drewski. Go through drink, nigga. We dealt with enough of your betrayal skills. Drewski. You want to deal with him. with somebody else. Who?

Suki? You a DM, too? I don't even know what that is. Yeah. You want to... Y'all, y'all ain't shit. She wanted those. Suki.

Who is that? Who is. It's your bag. You, Suki. You, Suki. You, Suki ain't his bag, man. What? That girl will suck it from the back,

Nick. I'm going to pause. chance what you're talking about no go ahead get your shit on Suki are you wrapped him right he don't even remember how that feel getting something on the back look

oh he don't know he don't remember no more he's old as hell fateful stupid face stupid face ass what he did it again no he's saying it like he did it again

no he's saying it like he no no you can just see no he's saying it like he has been getting his dick suck from the back And he's telling you, it's still as fire as you remember it from the 90s. Back, you're too faithful. Get back in your bag. You're extra faithful, too, boy.

And that's good, but you're just extra faithful. Like, you wear faithfulness, bro. Come on, take it back to the loop. Yeah. To the loop. Take it back to the Cherry lounge. Take it back to the back room with squeeze, nigger. I've seen you in there.

I've seen you in the back room. He's only got a back room. What does? Oh, shit, then you know more than me? The fuck he's talking about. What he's talking about? Squeeze that. Y'all know more than me.

No, we don't. It's what we're saying. Take it upstairs at the palace. I've never been up. I promise you. Yo, where have you been before? It's a rock room in Jersey girl. Don't come on your line anymore.

Don't come up here lying no more. You go to them other podcasts and spit knowledge. Party that shit. Come up here and do it, nigga. You too cohesive in the mother's shit. What did you say? Oh, let me do my research. What you said?

How is he fucking in Jersey girl? Yeah, he bought that Mandy shit. Mandy is the other nigga. Yeah. Yo, you're man. I like that shit. I never ever ever had. What did you say?

I never had to. They don't talk to me. They don't talk to freeze when me and put on you. Let me do my, nigger pulled out of them. Let me do my research and get the facts for you, Mandy. Yeah, you buy a percent of the world's population. And homeboy, whoever he was. Yeah, what the fuck was that?

That's funny. It's always trying to show up when there's some strange nigger around. No, I may have misarticulated. myself what I meant to say What you fight that shit though Such a smooth-talking ass to fuck up You bite in that shit When you go somewhere else?

I'm sick at him I watched it And at first glass I thought it was T.D. Jakes I said Oh they got They got a powerhouse I swear to you

I thought to say it And I'm not being funny I watched it I'm like they finally got this this nigga with his peer group I was like When niggas his age Because he relates to

niggas his age Like when we're younger to them He'd be like He'd be grumpy Yeah I think he's 32 Tom Yeah

Nicky you're my peer group I'll accept it from you I don't feel like that inside Wait y'all just let him step on us Making a joke Fuck it We're making our joke He always do that

You're not a peer group, nigga No how we know you're not our peer group I called you Friday night Bitch I called you first I called you back Did you answer? Did you answer?

Too late then It's too late then Oh, you, it's too late, that's crazy. I'm telling you, it's too late. How long was the call? What's the gap? How long is it got? He was up in.

Thank you. Between going, I'm going to tell you right. Two minutes. Two minutes. You're going right back. Thank you. Two minutes. Look, thank you.

And you won't answer. You ain't. It's too late now. Thank you. Why's it too late? You're bugging. Thank you all. This nigg.

This nigger. This nigger wanted to win. It's not too late. You should have picked up. Word. That's your man I was trying to end with chance But now y'all take him in a different zone

It's too late then He was up here talking boo-cool shit I thought we was gonna go have a time I called him he didn't answer You're not ready You're not ready I could see if like some time passed The they could call you right back

I wasn't talking about Antoine it's a little too late It's too late buddy I don't care I don't care. Oh, man. This thing is an idiot, bro. Look it flip up in this motherfucker.

I'm happy. Happy to be at work. You look happy. Huh? You look happy. Yeah. Look up. Nigger, hey, hey, listen, listen.

I saw the think pieces. Yes. Whatever y'all think, nigga. But let me tell you something. When you drink some green juice, nigga, and have reality check, sometimes, nigga. You come back when you get rejuvenated or whatever. I'm happy. That's good.

Yeah. I wasn't for the past couple of weeks. I was fucked up. I think I thought it was over. I looked outside the window. I stood by the window for mail-law. Put your head on my shoulder. Baby, come back.

My kids said, Daddy, why you by the window? You look scary. Shirt on, boy. Just standing, staring. Looking at the birds, trying to talk to the bird. I went to a movie. I thought it was over, nigga. I said I'm about to be out of here anyway.

Sometimes you got to just stare. My kids thought it was over. They said, you're good. They text them all. He bought a window. I didn't realize I was there. No shirt, too. Towled like this.

They know you weren't going to jump. I looked crazy. Wait. My mother came in from Turkey and said, yo, I heard you was by the window. He did, right? Yo, what's wrong with you? This thing is an idiot, man. Oh, my God.

Flip is a fucking fool. Listen, man. Listen, listen, listen. Again, once again, thank you to our musical guests. Amani, the singer. Yo, you'll let me fix that real quick. Shout out the chance to rapper. Thank him for coming by.

Amazing. One of my favorite people in this Godforsaken industry. Hopefully you enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoy delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Each and every one of us, Lord knows we need to be there until the next time. I bid you a do farewell, audio, cerebroderchy, hostelovista, arvoire. Here we go, eh. Frozen pizza, Kool-Aid, not soda.

Remember, life is a series of moments and moments passed, so let's make this one last as if it's all week. Lastly, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel, and the closed-minded women want you to teach them things. grab you with Tylenol you just might need it A Some of these experiences seem premature But these dreams came from your Hip Hop television Anybody doing anything interesting during the week

During the week Anything interesting this week? Not at all Yeah no It's our time of year to not do anything Nothing this week Getting windy outside Got it got it's nice on it

Some of us been outside all summer Yeah It's time to chill out My mom want me to go to the show with her but I'm trying to tell her to find somebody else to go. What sure? You know, Paul, you always met your socks with your shirt. I do.

I like that. I do you know the only way that can do that. They can just be doing shit. What show, Farreed? It's baby, what's it, Casey, Charlie Wilson. Oh, El DeVarge. Yeah. And one more.

I'm forgetting the fourth one. Oh, that's a nice show. But, yeah, it's Thursday. It was her birthday, probably. Charlie Wilson. Charlie Wilson. El DeVarge. There's four of them.

It's four of them. Babyface It is baby face Yeah, that's a fourth for baby face That's your headline It's Charlie Wilson show though Uncle Charlie's R&B cookout Babyface on the grill

No for sure You're talking about Whatever you're talking about All that shit you want Until the next time Man y'all hold it down Peace, love, health, wealth And prosperity to y'all

We'll be back same time Same place this weekend Where in the door? Where in the... Where is the word? No, no. No Joe Bun. You've never heard of Joe, bud?

We'll fold that up right now. Don't look away now. Go see. I don't got no problem with gay people. Gay people work for me right now. I'm damn there around gay people every day because they work for me. I don't got no problem with them.