The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 877 | "What's For You Is For You"
Episode Date: November 12, 2025The JBP returns to the airwaves as they kick off the latest episode with a recap of their weekend including Ish's discusses a Tonight's Conversation live show (19:20). Max B is home after 16 years (40...:20), the 2025 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony (51:34), and Joe shares his thoughts on the Giants firing Brian Daboll (1:14:04). The room then shares their thoughts on the Sebastian Telfair documentary (1:28:00) as well as the proposed 50-year mortgages (1:43:17), and Westside Gun was removed from a WWE event (2:07:14). Also, Summer Walker's upcoming album (2:24:15), beef between Michelle Beadle & Stephen A. Smith (2:33:06), Marc comments on the passing of Lenny Wilkens (3:07:00), and much more. Become a Patron of The Joe Budden Podcast for additional bonus episodes and visual content for all things JBP! Join our Patreon here: http://www.patreon.com/joebudden
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All right, we are on here now.
We are.
Hey, I'm back.
Feel good.
The top feels so much better than the bottom.
Whoa.
Okay.
Okay.
I mean, it does.
That's what they say.
The bottom, they put it right in there.
So you got to be easy.
No, he's talking about the success lab.
Come on.
Come on, not gay sex.
It feels so good to be back home.
What they put it on the success ladder at the bottom?
Wait, gay niggins.
Actually.
Oh, that's the bottom.
Oh, yeah.
What you're saying?
What y'all saying?
You're making good jokes
that I'm only going to catch in the playback.
What happens?
He did that.
He's a master.
And I realized that Parks
was shooting at me
on the other day
with the whole you niggas
part different in front of your girls.
I'm slow.
When y'all shooting me on air,
I don't know.
Hey, he was going to Longwood.
I thought he acknowledged it.
No, I didn't.
Joe's like, oh, yeah.
Because I think that you niggas
might change up the script when your girl
is listening. I didn't take it like
your girl got to be present. It wasn't really a
direct shot to you. It was a shot to...
Anybody whose girl comes in the pod.
Let's applause. See, that's
the other thing. I didn't apply to it while I got home.
What's all? How are y'all doing, man?
Good, very good. I didn't feel Corey. I don't
want to smell your fucking chicken
noodle soup. It smelled good, boy.
Come on with this healthy
bullshit, man. What is that? Zucchini?
Yeah, you got some fucking rigat
Tony soup.
Zucchini noodle soup.
Some gel soup.
What up y'all?
Back on that,
Matt, man.
What up?
I feel's good.
I see y'all, man.
Listen, I'm good to see you for it.
I'm happy to be at work, man.
Sweatsuit on.
Be dazzled too.
With the diamond.
This will be the day.
Uniquely defined.
But listen.
Here's the thing.
I was here.
What day was I here?
I was here earlier this week?
Well, last week.
Tuesday?
No, last week.
I'm assuming?
I was here what?
What's today?
Today's Tuesday.
Tuesday.
I didn't even know.
I know you want me here on Fridays, Nicky, but I'm not here on Fridays.
So what's today?
Oh, shit.
You was here like, that might have been a Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Yeah, they called me in for a meeting.
They called me in for a meeting.
Oh, shit.
Ian and Joe.
Ian and Joe didn't call nothing.
Joe called me in for a meeting.
Y'all just going to bunch me and Ian together.
Joe, you called me for a meeting.
What did they got to do with Ian?
When I came here, Ian was outside dancing.
Well, that's because I called him.
So you called him to flip for me
But no, him and I didn't call flip for me
Got it, okay.
I called flip for me and for me
and that Ian said he would like to be present for us.
Got it.
So Joe.
And they both beat me here.
Joe calls me on the phone.
I missed the call.
I called him back.
Yo, you know, what you doing?
What do you're doing?
What's up?
You're straight to it.
You know, pull up on me.
I said, okay, is this a bad face-to-face or good?
He said, it depends, but I know I am
I'm leading with love.
That's what he says in the metaphor.
Oh, shit.
Trouble, buddy.
That ain't never good.
That's exactly what he says.
I'm leading with love.
Whatever I say to you is from a place of love.
No, you said, am I going to be mad?
Yeah, thank you.
Am I going to be mad about this?
Is this meaning going to be mad?
How am I preparing myself to come over there?
He said, I don't know if you're going to be mad.
What does that mean?
Get the Ross going out.
I'm just saying.
Anyway, cool, I take a shower while I come through.
As soon as I come through, I see Ian in the hallway dancing.
I feel I get out of the elevator.
I'm like, oh, he must have to throw the house.
I'm like, here it go.
Yeah, yeah.
It's some bullshit.
So now I come here, Joe come.
We walk outside.
These niggins start to talk.
Ian starts.
His conversation is just telling me
about my performance and how he feels.
Joe's listening.
Joe telling me how he feels.
I stopped both of them.
Yo, just get straight to the point.
Like, what are we doing here?
Is it bad?
Get straight to the point what's going on.
My man told me how he feels.
Like, you know, just performance-wise.
And the funny part about it,
see, I was taking Joe serious.
But it's when the white man, Ian, started saying,
you don't love him.
Oh, shit.
You don't love him.
You sit there on your phone?
They do all this right here.
I'm looking at this, nigga, like,
I start dying laughing.
I said, if this was Corey, I would listen to Corey,
because Corey has something about him.
But you're doing that?
He pointed, you don't love him if you live in.
You know how I feel when I'm watching on the playback
and you're on your phone.
And this man, he has worked hard.
He puts his friends on.
And all you do is on your phone not paying attention.
You don't love him.
You know how much chances we took?
I'm listening to him like, I'm just laughing.
Now, I feel bad that I'm laughing.
That sounds respectful.
No, come on.
Parks, you know what I'm saying.
To see a person act like that that you've never seen act like that.
Sure, yeah.
It caught me of God.
You said what?
Made you erupted into laughter.
It did, it did.
It did, it did walk.
It caught me of God.
So, I mean, the nicks pull my coat tail.
You know, so I'm back.
I'm here.
I'm focused.
I'm ready.
I still don't want to say.
There's like some key gaps in the story here.
I got a, I can.
I got to skip it.
I got to skip it because he could tell him rest of whatever he's ready.
I'm not telling nothing.
I am a vault.
Are you comfortable with us asking a couple probing questions?
Yeah, y'all can do whatever you are.
Of course, yeah.
Please.
Pro boy.
Have a blast.
That's the bottom.
So.
All right, don't do anything that's going to cater to.
You know, I'm going to watch it and I'm going to come back.
I'm going to have a conversation with you.
I'm right next to you.
You're going to hear everything.
Yeah, but you...
The problem with your probing, Mark, is you come here and are a dick.
Yeah, you're like a dark...
You're the real probe, nigga.
Like, oh, Mark.
You don't do nothing with love up here.
Then he gets on fucking Pierce Prostin and them.
That's why they be talking about you.
No, no, I just...
So when he was, first of all, when he was breaking down your performance, whatever it was, I'm like, I'm like, yes.
Did you feel like he was accurate?
Who?
Whoever was...
Both of them broke it down.
Either of them.
Um, yeah, yeah.
Ian ain't here, so I want to deal with what I said.
Yeah, yeah, I feel like Joe was accurate.
Yes, okay.
I feel like he was accurate.
And how did you feel, and how did you, I mean, one question just because you said you
laughed.
Was he, did, did anger him more?
It did.
It did.
It did.
I was having a serious talk, so I was not laughing.
Right.
However, Ian was, he turned it up.
He did.
He was, because you know, Ian, I can't say that, but, yeah, you know, Ian is in and out
sometimes.
Okay.
He's in and out sometimes.
So he was all aware.
He said, come on, brother.
I didn't like that.
He was going.
He was aggressive, but I think it was cold.
I was comfortable.
I just laughing.
I sat here right there in the middle.
I said, you listen, I'm only laughing at you because I never seen your act this way.
So don't take it as any disrespect.
I just find it funny because there was a lot of theatrics.
To me.
Hey, you clip a niggas.
If Flip didn't work here, your ad sense check would go down about $40K.
Hey, however much you make it incrementally.
No, I'm saying wherever it applies to, it would go down quite a bit.
It would go down quite a bit, is all I'm saying.
Did the, do you think you laughing at him change the outcome at all?
As far as what?
Whatever y'all resolved, did it change how?
No, no, it'll change the outcome, but me laughing, he understood what I was like.
I explained to him.
I mean, Ian's from the stern, so he understands what I'm saying, even though it was, I just, I made sure I was clear.
Yo, I'm only laughing because this is, if this was Corey, because Corey spoke to me before.
I'm not laughing at Corey.
Corey has a different demeanor.
You know, I got like a bitch, nigga.
Fuck you told me.
You know where you come from?
Because you're scared of Corey.
That's fine.
That's fine.
But it was dope, though.
Just one more question.
Just one more question.
Last one.
Is there any relationship between the conversation
and your new schedule?
Yeah.
What's the relationship?
As you just said last question.
Well, he didn't answer.
He didn't answer you.
Okay.
He said yes.
I'll leave it a little.
Directly.
I'll leave you directly said yes.
Let me go ahead.
That's fine.
That's fine.
I'll leave it to you clippers to figure out the rest.
New schedule.
New schedule is by choice.
Or?
New schedule is by choice.
Whose choice?
Mine.
Mine.
New schedule by choice.
Even if even if he was.
New schedule by choice.
Yes.
Good choice.
Group.
Pink choice.
This is a good talk, man.
It was a good talk, man.
It's good.
Thank you for clarinet.
I just didn't want any false information going out about you.
No, no, I mean, that's shut up, Mark.
No.
That was my top priority.
I guess that's a 10-tor, whatever they say.
There we go.
We're getting gnaz.
We get sting or we get in juice world recipes.
Yeah, one of them.
Oh, it's not that one.
There we go.
We going with Sting, but shout out the Nause.
I thought about it, but another record I wanted to play is not the same tempo as the, uh, I mentioned so.
Yeah.
Hey.
He deals the cards as a meditation.
Mike check, Mike Check, 1-2-1-2.
And those he plays never suspect.
So glad y'all could be here with us today's salutations.
He doesn't play.
Shout to wherever you might be listening from, of course.
Big Jersey, big New York City in the building.
You know the vibes with us.
Hey
Everybody at work right now
For show for she's
Shout out to y'all
Shout to the veterans
Shout to the veterans
Anybody to ever serve
Thank you, thank you for your time
The ladies always for the ladies
No matter what they're saying about us
I don't know that the space
Are the swords of a soldier
I know that the clubs are
We're weapons of war.
Mike check, 40 and up out there.
40 and up out there.
I know that diamonds need money for this art, but that's not the shape of my heart.
Okay.
I should have still a few.
Oh, did it.
Come on, man.
It's fall in New York.
Fuck y'all thought I was on there today, man.
But if I did he and stated.
Well, I still...
Come on this boy.
Huh?
His wife, he's playing this shit.
He knows this song.
What's my thing is why?
wife got the white slaps on.
Stop playing.
I promise you're not trying to make your own return to where we were.
It's good for snow music.
Yeah, that's what I think.
Hey.
Hey.
What are you listening from?
Chat of Neos Ma.
I want to talk about the Mario Amarian little tiff they're having.
Oh, you have to put me on.
I'm not here.
I wasn't aware.
Oh, please.
Y'all started that mess when fucking Marion came up here.
One of y'all, niggas.
Yeah, somebody started that mess.
You, we'll get to it.
Let's say.
Here it go.
It's just a huge thing when you get to fucking.
Calling that's respect when I start to stay.
Shout to the patrons.
Shout to the Patronies, man.
Make sure you're signing up to that Patreon.
Shout to all the man.
Shout to all the man, girlfriends and wives out there.
down I don't know when you put your hand to chop
Let's keep this applause gone for the best broadcast in the fucking universe man so blessed to be here with y'all
no no dro bon so blessed to have y'all and y'all are so blessed to have me
look at these drops out the way right quick keep this fucking applause going right quick
all right i think that was all of them big flip in the building queens get the money y'all know
the vibes y'all know what we're here to do it's cold outside it was snowing all of 20 minutes ago
shout to everybody whose heat is not working word i know it's some of y'all out here yeah niggas with
the radiators switch some shit up man age back i got old radiators i got two little small portable
uh heaters i bought from home depot yeah i got to call them too nigger that's the best 49
The chief joint is the one
The lost squirrel.
In some instances, spending more don't mean
dumb little eaters.
I was almost mad when my heat started working again.
Like this shit don't do it like this shit next to the bed.
God damn.
Listen, shout out to y'all.
Y'all are so, man, give it up for yourselves out there.
You guys.
Round of applause.
I think I can hear it.
You guys are awesome, man.
My name is Joe Button.
This is the Joe Button podcast.
We've been on for fucking 10 years.
It's been a few crews.
This is my favorite.
Flip is here.
Mark is here.
Isch is here.
I'm tired of intro, niggi.
Y'all should even know.
Ice, parks is pole.
Corey is here.
Erickson is here.
Savon and Tanner are here by remote.
You guys are here.
Yep, yep, yep.
None of this is possible without y'all.
We sign up to all Patreon.
Shout to anybody who may be fighting a private battle out there.
Shout to anybody who may be struggling with their mental health.
We're here for y'all.
Gentlemen,
man, how do y'all feel great?
Feel great.
Great weekend.
You like my new monotone intro?
No.
No.
Not at all.
I don't feel like always coming in here, yelling and getting all hype, man.
Welcome to episode 87 of the Joe Button podcast.
There you go.
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I'm hungry.
Oh, that's what I do.
That's a little hangary.
A little hangary.
Keno cooking in here on Fridays is fuck me up coming in here on Tuesday.
He can't do that no more.
I'll be ready for bed after that.
meals.
Yeah.
He can.
No, he can, but I'm just saying, like,
well, he got, I got the menu for what he got.
I heard.
I heard.
I got a menu for what he got going on on Friday.
Okay.
That's why I'm telling the part.
Oh, my bad.
Just one more.
No, I think you can keep doing it.
It's just, he should cook it, but especially during the Patreon and then we eat it
right afterward.
Nah.
No.
Or not.
Well, that would require any of y'all staying for a second after the Patreon.
But y'all run out of here, y'all like the road running.
You're like Chahara.
From Thundercats,
nigger, y'all get going.
Shout to my baby.
It's her birthday on Thursday.
Go Scorpio.
Every birthday, show day.
Yeah, man, this shit is so annoying.
Oh, that's why you're also,
that's also why you're a little sleepy today.
You've been busy shopping and preparing
a beautiful birthday celebration for your queen.
Preparing my defense argument for why some things be.
Well.
She wanted them niggas.
Oh, I want the small things.
It's the car.
Did you write someone a car?
I know you got me a cage.
Yeah.
It's like, no, I didn't.
You got to do that.
You got it to that.
Well, I'll step away and make some calls.
There you go.
There you go.
He did.
The problem is she could tell when Keyb picked a card.
Yeah.
Will you take a key card and your card about to be the same?
That's the problem.
These black girls are savvy.
Business.
Yo, she can tell when Key pick it versus when I pick it.
So now I got to go and find a fucking card somewhere.
Yeah.
You don't you do it.
Make your own shit.
Oh, that'd be great.
Yeah, make your own car.
When you go in Target looking for the birthday cards, they're never good.
They're all in the anniversary section.
You got a search.
It's one sentence.
They want you to write.
Shout to my baby.
I'm going to lace that shit.
Don't worry about it.
Or you've got to find the blank one.
That's what you're writing.
Then I had Kareem and Bergdorf, like, send me some necklaces.
Then I stopped looking at those.
They came with prices.
Yeah, now.
The jewelry prices over there?
It's over for that.
They came with.
Yeah.
In the other day, and I'm not going to keep bringing it.
I went to see somebody house who built their shit.
Uh-huh.
That's where all the money got to go now.
He bug the fuck.
Oh, Kaboom.
Woo.
We got to.
That was the Lord.
Yeah.
Will that, nigger?
Farnberg your back.
Yeah, you know what's funny about that?
When white people say kaboom and what happened versus what I assumed happened.
Yo, I thought somebody got shocked.
I thought somebody jumped over the thing.
When you said, kaboboom, ding it.
If the plant's far, fuck it.
Anyway.
Look at Cory.
Oh, nigga.
Look at.
Oh, Nick.
Look at.
Hey, Cory.
Using the prison exercises.
That's because Corey came out of jail when it was tough to get a job with certain shit on your record.
Look at him now.
Oh, shit.
You love Corey.
Sorry audience, listenership.
A little turbulence out there.
Some shit fell outside.
We got to pick it up.
We're trying to be decent, man.
Yeah, it looks great.
Shout to Corey.
Everybody's good.
What y'all do?
What y'all do for the weekend?
What y'all do for the weekend?
Too damn much, man.
Too much.
A lot, family shit.
Yeah, we had the release party thing in Times Square for the Levi's shit.
And then me and Abani hit the streets afterwards.
Stayed out until 4 o'clock in the morning and drank a tequila.
Oh.
Had a baby shower for my brother-in-law on Saturday.
Hung out after that.
More tequila?
I had to see that night.
Wait, wait.
That was Friday.
Friday you went to the event and then stayed out with a moni drinking tequila.
And then Saturday had energy to be back out.
Yeah, I had to sleep until about two in the afternoon and then found the energy.
And then Sunday had a video shoot.
And then Monday had another shoot.
And now I'm here.
So what's the video shoots?
A bunch of shit.
I mean, music or?
One music, one content.
Oh, you know content.
Oh, you know, getting it.
Okay.
Thought you was on somebody runway or something.
You don't have to know with this guy.
You know.
Some more pull-ups.
All right.
All right.
That sounds like a, a little weekend.
That was like a nice long weekend.
It was.
How was the Levi party?
Levi's party, though.
Oh, it was amazing, man.
It was amazing.
Seeing my face in Times Square's a trip.
Fire.
More shot to Joe.
Fire.
Why?
I do the smart thing.
I do the smart thing.
You don't want to put us on a billboard?
I get my own billboard.
How about that?
With a big brand.
How about that?
That's right.
Let's go, Parks.
How about that?
Shit, Mark is asking about the Levi shit.
I'm not going to hear about getting in the house at four in the block.
I was thinking that too.
I could not get that off.
We came back to the house and had a little afty for a quick second.
Yeah, it was a lot.
It's a lot.
It's a lot.
They different.
There's a lot.
Freeze, what you was up to.
You got the section at your normal Friday spot.
Nope. I was recuperating.
Oh, yeah, because you were, yeah.
Yeah, I was still under the weather.
So I'm good now.
So, that's it.
Be a man and stay sick.
I was recuperating.
I wasn't sick.
I was getting myself back right.
I was under the weather.
That's hilarious.
Ish, how was your weekend?
You still got your tonight's conversation skin.
You went and got a facial.
You glowing.
You're glowing. He pulled out the fucking fatigue from when Tribe Call Quest drop the low end theory.
Nah, that's a different fatigue.
What fatigue is that?
I'm sure just too tight for that.
Raffloin.
I didn't mean the brand, but flex.
That's a flex.
That's a flex.
That's a flex.
Yes, nigga, that's a flex.
You, is.
All right.
How much do you think people pay for the,
like regular people?
How much do you think they fatigues cost?
And I hate to make this a money thing again.
About that?
No.
Niggas go to the Army Navy store,
Doug.
Them shits ain't cheap no more.
They're like $50, though.
I don't think so.
They might be out.
I don't, all the Army Navy stores
in my hood is gone.
Yeah, he wouldn't know.
No, I fuck with them.
They're gone.
He don't know.
They went out of business in my hood.
I felt so bad yesterday on my barber's cutting my hair.
Top of the cut, he says,
yo, man, you know what, you know anybody that got,
I'm trying to get the Botega bathroom bag or the Go Yard bathroom bag.
You know anybody, you got her like a plug?
He was looking for some off the other.
Yo, I couldn't even hold the last minute.
You're a piece of shit, you know.
He's an asshole.
I said, well.
The store.
He's an asshole.
Right.
When they plug on the lights at Burk door.
What does plug mean?
You mean somewhere other than Go Yard and Bortega?
Where you could get through to now?
I'm sorry, buddy.
Can't help you.
Wow.
I thought of you.
That's great.
That's how we thought it was.
I thought it was wild.
I can't on here.
I can't all here.
Come on, man.
Connections.
Deeper darker.
You like the wire.
You like.
Wow.
When it comes to that boost and shit.
It's coming.
My boy, though, Blake.
Yeah, it's coming.
crazy.
I love you.
What do you do?
I've seen you on the internet, man.
You're saying who on the internet?
You, like you're at the event with Mona.
Oh, no, I stopped through there.
Shout to Mona.
Mona killed it.
Yo, she's silly as fuck, bro.
Like, she's just innately funny.
Yes.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, yo, tonight's conversations,
Mona was one of the panelists.
Okay.
And for the most part,
they conversations are about relationships
and they'd be kind of serious.
Yo, this nigga just gets some...
Somebody says some serious shit.
I'm only just sitting here like,
yo, listen, baby girl,
these niggas is like stray cats.
I'm like, what?
You just give them some warm milk tuck a minute.
I'm like, yo, fam, off the top of her head,
just some wild bullshit.
Everybody in the whole arena just starts laughing
because they be serious.
Yeah, yeah.
She just gives the whole comedic...
About fucking broke dudes.
Oh, that shit had me roll.
Yo, brus, she's insane, my nigga.
I like a motorist.
relationship advice.
I was there hollering.
We need that.
But, no, I went to the early show.
I was supposed to go to the late show.
They gave me tickets.
I let my girl and her friends go to the late show.
Audience, audience, we're talking about tonight's conversation.
That is a touring.
I don't want to call them a podcast.
It's a show.
It's a touring show.
They live in a road.
They make a lot of money, make a killing,
huge crowds.
So shout out to them.
Issue spoke there.
fucking shit was packed, bro.
It was at the Javitt Center too, right?
That's at the Javitts.
For those, New York, that's a huge place.
They sold out. They sold out to A-E.
Selling out to Javits is crazy.
You're giving you ideas, Joe?
No.
We could be in a Javits in selling out.
Yeah, y'all would charge me more
than y'all would. Tonight's conversation, too.
That's possible.
That's true. Yeah, it's true.
Yeah, probably.
You leaked the, you leaked the news?
You shouldn't have leaked it.
That's the problem.
I'm taking you to the bank.
Leave me.
Y'all. And I'm still
show up too. What's a bullshit. Hey, yo!
No, the Javitson is no... It's no...
No, not at all. Shout to...
Shout to that.
Yeah, shout to that.
Dre and Lex. Drey and Lex perform.
Okay.
So, but we're in the jamving now.
I'm in the business. What was the cap on the room?
I went to the show a couple years ago.
I think they was in a 3,500.
Cedar. They sold out that for two or three days in a row.
Jesus.
And the other day, I think they did the $4,4,500.
So they had an 8 o'clock show that sold out immediately.
immediately they had to get another show at 4 o'clock.
So they originally didn't have a 4 o'clock show, but they sold out to 8.
And that's when you went to.
9,000 tickets.
That's amazing.
That's what I'm saying.
That's crazy.
That's 9,000 tickets.
Even if they gave a thousand away for free, there's 8,000 of the motherfuckers.
How much was tickets?
Next year, they fuck around and be a radio city.
I don't know.
I think they highest ticket might be like $350, 400.
Oh, shit.
Because they got like the meet and greet super VIP.
You can take pictures all over.
I'm sure they do it right.
I ain't get it mad, but that's like a lot of money.
Nah, but shout to all of them.
Cheyenne Bryant was there.
Mandy was on the thing, Moana.
Wait, Mike.
It was dope.
Go slow.
Don't speed over everything.
It's not going to help.
Yeah, not at all.
I love you, Mitch.
So Dr. Cheyenne Bryant was there.
Did she recognize a real one when she saw one?
Shout to her.
I didn't see her.
Uh-huh.
You just heard she was there.
Bitch-ass dick.
Shut my little story.
You're disappointed.
I'm mad.
Now I got to resort back to my.
Mandy jokes. I saw Mandy and Mona in the video. They made a funny little
little internet video as well. So it seemed like everybody was mingling and
connecting. Yeah. That's dope. You didn't get to see the show
itself. I saw, I got there late. So how they break it down, they break it into
three sections. Half an hour, half an hour, half an hour. They'll change the
panelists. For each show. For each segment of one show. Yeah, that's what I
like. So when I got there, I got there, traffic was crazy on Saturday. I got there
for the four o'clock show at like five o'clock. And if you listen,
Traffic is crazy in New York on Saturday.
No, it's not.
If there was some way to know that ahead of time.
You traffic.
That traffic shit kills me.
But, no, it was worse than normal.
Ah, okay.
How about that?
Well, Saturday was really nice.
It was.
Weather-wise.
No, I know.
Weather-wise.
This is what happened.
I was supposed to go with Imani.
Imani was supposed to go.
You know, Amani like Max B.
Yeah.
We're going to have to talk.
We'll talk later.
I was supposed to go to him.
I was shooting his podcast.
So I went there,
watch I'm sorry to himani
shooting his podcast.
When the podcast is over.
Oh, with that really funny,
attractive comedian girl.
Probably why he couldn't get up with you.
So the nigga tells me,
yo, dog, I ain't go to bed till six.
You know what I'm saying?
I said, yo, my nigga.
You love my house about four.
You had me sitting here
under the guys that we going together.
Yo, I can't go.
So you just watch the podcast for nothing?
Basically.
You know what I mean?
It was funny, though.
But shout to them, I hauled eyes to New York.
It said 40 minutes.
It took me like an hour in 40 minutes.
That's a long phone call.
It was crazy.
Got to run through the whole contact list.
That's right.
That's a phone call.
That's a long call.
That's a long call.
That's a long call.
Somebody was getting like, going,
some earball.
Idiot.
Because you can't just sit in traffic at Jill.
Who can't?
You?
No, Jay Z.
Stop.
It's just me, nigg.
It's Jamie.
me.
What are you talking to, Jay-Z?
All right, well, I'm glad you had a good time.
Nah, it was cool.
Glad you had a good time up there.
Certainly it looked like a lot of fun.
Shout out the Mona for killing it.
I'll get an invite one day.
Thank you.
Show love.
After these Jacob Javis.
Yeah, yeah.
God damn right.
I know what I'm a chariot.
You should have called me, man.
You're going to think I'm trippy.
I wonder if he's mad.
Not mad.
That's the wrong word.
I don't know.
I think Tripp is.
doing what he doing.
As content creators, we don't talk about,
that's what we, I don't want to talk about him no more.
But as content creators, when we say,
yo, we're just content with what we doing.
Content, yeah, man.
You see how you match?
You get crazy.
Because content creators just be lying, man.
When you make the wrong decision, you can say it.
You ain't got to say.
Yo, I'm happier now.
Sometimes you got to stand in there, man.
Yo, I'm so much happier.
You know, you fucked up.
You got to stand.
No, you got to stand in the shit.
Or you got to go somewhere else.
Sometimes you got to do that.
Or the blessing might show yourself later.
That's what I'm saying.
Like the next thing might be better.
True.
But if you're the person, I've been in that spot.
Later got a hurry.
Later, later got a hurry.
I got people that thing.
That time frame between now or later, I might not be the happiest.
I got people out here that's judging me because shit look away.
I know I got some shit in that nine months.
But right the second?
It's like somebody saying, yo, you drop the ball with complex or you dropped the ball with Spotify.
No, they said that.
Spotify.
I know.
And they said that.
And guess what they're saying now?
He that nigger?
Yeah, but in that gap.
Bro.
They just started and it's real, it's all, it's maybe 10% of people that say nice stuff about me publicly.
And that just started.
I can believe that.
That just started.
That don't mean I don't think you get into a good.
I don't know.
That's what it was.
You know one of the phrases I hate, like when somebody drop a ball on an opportunity or something or leave something, they'd be like, what's meant for me is for me.
I hate that phrase.
I hate that.
I was screaming about that shit this weekend.
I love that phrase.
I hate it.
No, no, because if it justifies bullshit.
The other opportunity was meant for you, you just decided to do something else.
Yes.
Yeah.
No.
That's not what that phrase says.
I feel like when people say, I feel like right now I leave here or whatever happened
and I'm on the internet like, yo, if it was meant for me, it was meant for me.
No, it flipped fucked up.
Yeah.
Let's say he fucked up and there's some dumb shit.
Thank you, my nigga.
And then he leaves.
I don't need your help.
And he leaves.
And they be like, yo, what's meant for me?
It's meant for me.
No, nigga, you made bad choices.
I made bad decision.
I feel like people use that to mask on the gate from.
I agree with what y'all are saying that people do.
I disagree with what y'all are saying the meaning is.
It applies for even when you do bad shit.
That's what the saying is there for.
I fucked up.
I did something bad.
What's going to come from that is going to come from that.
I did it.
What's meant for me is going to come for me.
It ain't meant for you.
I think Adam, yo, I'm Finststststst.
but I think y'all are both
On brand. I think y'all are both correct. I think
I think there's a way to use it to make sense
of the world and that your destiny is your destiny
but I think some people use it
as a crutch and as an excuse to not take
accountability. They'll do something fucked up
and then they'll say oh
it just like me. No, nigga you came to work high.
You spit
your balls in your face.
You spit over your balls. I like the
I like the nigga using it as a crutch.
Because again, that's what you
that's, I'm using that to push forward.
No, you're using that almost as an excuse
For being in the position you in
Yeah, like it's out of my hands
But at the same time, I'm not stuck right here
Yo, what's meant for me is meant for me
I'm not there no more stop asking me about it
It's not meant for me, I'm not there
Whatever happened, cool, I'm on this now
Yeah, I mean, that's what I think.
I think it depends on how you use it
That's honestly, it just depends on how you use it
And I don't believe in fate
So I believe we make our fate
I don't believe in fate
So when the niggas be like, yo, what's meant for me
Me, you already had this predetermined destiny
I don't believe that
me personally not knocking nobody that does so what's meant for me know you make what's meant for you
in my opinion i agree a little bit so i agree too i agree with that okay
y'all you all look you i think i'm ready to argue now y'all look at me we know you we know you
we know you and i'm just looking for the a mic to progress the conversation because
outside of what's meant for me it's meant for me it's also what's meant for you is meant for you
what do you all stand on that one i don't understand i don't understand i know yeah you just yeah you just
You did some rapists.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah, yeah.
You did some.
You body that you.
What's for me is for me and what's for you is for you.
Right.
Y'all never heard that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's how I use it.
That's how I use it.
Explain.
So like, I hate, so when I got fired for seeing it, like, my, there's a way to make sense that I had to say that, that's not my journey.
I could have made a different choice that day.
And I probably would still be working there and make a lot of money and blah, blah, blah.
But that wasn't for me.
That's for them.
Let them do that.
I got my own destiny.
It's going to take me where I need to be.
That's cool.
I think that's how you use it, right?
Yeah.
The problem is I got friends to use that might punch their boss in the face.
And then instead of saying, you know what, I could have made a better choice in the future.
They'd just be like, well, it wasn't for me.
It wasn't my destiny.
Like, no, nigger, you made a bad choice.
And some people use it to not have to take up accountability for the bad choice.
Both can be true.
I made a bad choice.
And that wasn't my destiny.
But they don't see it as both.
And they only focus on the...
All right, I get what you're saying.
I use it as the end.
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Max B is home.
Yes.
Max B is home.
Let me hit the round of applause.
When all of us don't applaud at the same time,
it looks like the Jennifer Hudson show
when they all don't love the guest that came.
And it's like four people in the hallway.
The rest of them are like,
and the spirit's on.
Yes.
I've never seen that.
Oh, shit.
If the guests ain't lit,
it's seven niggas in that little
spirit of time.
And it'd be like a janitor in there clapping.
When it's somebody they fuck with,
it'd be like the EP and they be in there.
Hundreds.
Hundreds of people in there.
That Mufusse, nigger?
I think every person in the whole staff
was in that hallway.
Right.
Yes.
Dead eyes.
Trump come through.
They'd be like, uh.
Trump.
They didn't even make it a song.
Right.
What did you say free?
Did y'all see Morgan free me?
Come down to, uh,
I did. I did. I did. I did what you got to say about it.
He was part of my topic. I was just asking if you saw it. I saw it.
I saw it. What are you? Don't do that freeze. He was part of my topic of freeze.
Even Mark wouldn't do this. Yeah. Did you? Well, it didn't see it. So I saw. I know. I'm well aware that he was in that tunnel.
Huh? Now whether Morgan Freeman.
Oh, shit. Stop. Stop. You know what? So you would. So even Mark wouldn't do it.
Are you running with that shit
to where they're saying that?
I heard the rumor.
I don't know this rumor.
That there's another Morgan Freeman.
Oh.
Shut the fuck out, man.
No. I don't know.
What's that's what I'm?
He's old.
I thought the Morgan Freeman on the Spirit Channel,
honestly, was adorable.
He was an older man.
He clearly wasn't familiar with what they do every time.
He was actually shocked to see all those people there
and his heart was warmed
and he came down the tunnel.
I thought it was great.
Morgan Freeman is 88 years old.
I want to say.
go.
Jobs to go.
And Morgan Freeman is one of the black people that get a pass.
Like, you should be.
Yeah.
Yeah, so give it to him.
He got it.
Freeze.
He got the past going down on a tunnel.
Listen to me.
What do they call it?
The spirit tunnel?
Freeze.
Most days.
Now, Morgan's doing all right, man.
Come on, man.
He's 80.
He's a lot of Morgan down there.
No, when you tell them somebody 8, they're going down the spirit tunnel.
They get a little nervous.
Yo, are you crazy?
Are you crazy?
Yeah.
That's the damn shit.
Walk towards that light right now.
Come back.
Come back, Morgan.
Come back, Morgan.
Like, no, the fuck I'm not.
Stop, Mom.
He saw that light as into the hallway.
That's the way.
Oh, fuck, no.
Not like this.
Morgan would have turned his ass around
before I used in Shawshay redemption.
Lock me back up.
Oh, shit.
You know, get the fuck on me, walk you sick.
Yo, hold on.
Wait a, wait, listen.
I'm mad at you because that was my topic of my favorite actors getting old, nigga.
Yeah, Morgan.
And what's all the nigga name from Clue?
The nigga name from Clue, man.
The guy that, the butler from Cool.
Oh, uh, fuck.
I know you're talking about.
Terry, I saw him in the wheelchair.
That shit.
Any of y'all know the butler from Clue.
Curry.
That's a wild shit, yeah.
Something Curry, I think.
Joe, you know I'm talking about him.
I saw him.
I saw him in a wheelchair.
That shit.
Tim Curry.
Tim Curry, yeah.
I saw him in a wheelchair.
That shit.
That shit hurt me, yo.
You know him.
I'm still sad.
I'm with you.
I'm sad about fucking Bruce Willis.
Yeah.
That's tough.
Yeah.
That's hard to.
It's medical, though.
I'm not laughing at Bruce Willis.
I'm still laughing at this.
I don't think you are.
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
Bruce Willis is actually heartbreaking.
Yeah.
It's fucked up for real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, it's a few of them.
Flip is right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a tough thing for me.
Nigga, we getting old,
nigg.
Facts.
Right.
You think that they have all this money that they could preserve or live longer or do something
whether we're.
whether it was health.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Wealth don't buy health.
Yeah.
But look, if you look at Hollywood life and you still up at 88,
you straight.
You kind of did get to the extended,
bro, and you still walking around,
you still got most of your faculties,
that's not bad.
That's what I'm saying.
Look at Cicely Tyson.
Yeah, like it's a niggas at 58 that, you know what I'm saying?
Shit crazy.
You think, I got you, dog.
I got you.
I ain't going to let me.
We got you more.
It's got to be there.
Look at a hit.
It's smart.
It's smart.
He's smart.
You think I'm cracking on him.
You know, good, bro.
You put your affairs together.
You're smart.
Oh, shit.
How old are you, 38?
Oh, girl, I'm good.
By the time I'm 60.
By the time I was 80, boy.
The other day I was doing math, I'm like, hmm, if this ride keeps riding for another, say, six years, seven years.
Nigger, how are we going to look like the old homes?
That's 400 million for you.
in seven years
400 more
If God is good
All the time
If God stop
Because you make
Stop
That's his feet
That's how you get on
Tonight's conversation
That's it
He makes them
He made them niggish what?
He made them
Joe gonna get four in the minute
You're like
Joe ain't got shit
Yeah
We're gonna look like the old folks
In seven years
But I'm okay with that
That's the goal
My name
I keep saying that
That's the goal
I don't have no problem
Looking old
I don't care
It'll be the roll
of stones
out of this world
I look back at
many motherfuckers I went to high school with that's not here.
Oh, not here.
They didn't make it.
If we're here in seven more years,
I'll fucking throw my walker at this name.
Trust the fucking.
I'll throw a camera.
They're going to be like the things of life.
What?
Both of y'all.
He know how to trigger you.
You'll be trying not to.
No, the same triggers ain't going to work because he ain't going to work no more.
You're going to finish.
You'll be 50.
In eight years, the same things won't trigger him because...
They make stuff for that.
That thing would be...
They make stuff for that.
Huh?
They make stuff for that.
Blue Puget.
Yeah, but when you've been taking that stuff since you was 15...
When you went to...
When you was taking that stuff since 15,
it don't work when it's supposed to work.
It don't work when it's supposed to work.
When you've been taking it since young, that little gas station product?
Wasn't that got you?
The days were fucked up.
Your days was fucked up?
Don't let him play like that.
I'm good.
Listen, Max B is home.
Max B is home.
Well, no, he's not.
He's out of jail.
He's not home.
Max, welcome home.
Congratulations.
16 years.
It's crazy.
Good to see Alvia there.
It's good to see French there.
Some of the people that were there when he went in at the court cases and all that.
And I can't speak to what he should or shouldn't be doing because shit, you do 16 here.
You do what the fuck you want when you come out.
Yeah, sit around for 16 years.
I'm going to be outside.
I'm going to go.
I'm going to do it.
I was sorry.
He's having the time of his life.
I'm in the Jets game.
They said the Jets won because he was dead.
Yeah.
Second win.
I love, I absolutely love Method Man as a photographer for the Jets.
I love that.
I didn't know that was happening.
I didn't know that either.
Yeah, Method Man was taking pictures of Mac, Mac, Maxby.
And he had the official.
He was on the other side.
He had the long lens.
I thought that was so bad.
I thought it was joking.
Like, wait, that's Mephora.
Oh, shit.
That's fire.
No, I probably wouldn't joke about that the man anymore.
No, no, no, not you.
No more than, please.
No, I saw it because Marciaun Lynch was doing that too.
And I thought that was fine.
Yeah, I think that's dope.
It's a couple folks that's like NFL photographers.
I was so glad me and MF beat up.
I've seen that nigga Monday in that rural.
He's tall sitting down.
Yeah.
When niggas is tall sitting down, it's like, all right, dog.
He's in shape, too.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
He started his gym journey a little earlier.
Way earlier.
Way earlier.
That's messed.
Shout to Beth.
What do y'all think?
I love it.
I told you.
And I disagree with y'all,
but not on the Max B topic.
Nigger,
outside look Jeremy.
Nigger.
Where he was just at,
he was very,
you were just looking at gray walls
where niggers got...
Yo, you celebrity niggers.
Rai, R, R, was here on the wall.
No, I get that.
Again, I'm not talking about Max B.
can go wherever he wants.
I'm not really talking about him.
Any picture I've ever seen
of a rapper at Harbor.
It looks Jeremy.
I never been in it.
Me neither.
I had to imagine that first shit
on a nice toilet
is gonna be fantastic.
Well, that's why I went to ask y'all.
Like, if, let's assume sex is number one.
This shit on a little metal toilet for 16 years.
Those are the worst toilets ever.
It's easy to smart toilet.
Right.
Like, oh shit, do what?
That's gonna fuck him up.
Yeah, he's gonna punch that shit.
Fuck you do it.
French fiancé looks so confused to be.
at all of these places.
It's like,
where are we?
All right,
never mind.
Stop.
Y'all want to be.
All right.
I get it.
I see what's going on.
I'll shut up.
Go ahead.
She's a rider,
nigger.
That's what I said.
Shout out of the French.
Yeah.
You got to real,
when y'all come home,
assuming sex is the first thing
on the table,
just assuming that.
What's stop number two
if you did that much time?
Food.
Yeah.
You got to give me some good food
as soon as we come out.
Like, show up with some food.
Because the funny part is,
I'm eating on the ride home.
Good food could be Popeyes.
Nika, you've been locked up for 15 years.
Some stupid shit that we take for granted
is a delicacy to them.
You know what I mean?
Some wilds, you crazy?
I need some Chinese food from the hoods.
You man, I ain't going to hold you.
You could tell he ain't going to get class.
I'm going to get class.
I'm going to get class.
Not yet, though.
Not yet.
You pay for school.
One day, one day.
But fresh out, yeah.
Yeah, food.
Family.
Family.
Yeah.
I'm going home.
I'm staying home.
I'm gonna get pussy for a full day.
She gonna get up and cook.
I don't know about this time.
And then I'm going to, then I'm going, I'm staying home.
I'm enjoying my house.
That nigga ain't going to get no pussy for the full day.
That nigga was at the gas station with me early.
What you're talking about, nigga?
They're going to have a heart attack on the pills.
Fuck you talk about.
And you're going to get a 20 minute nut and go right.
What are you talking about, nigga?
That sounds good, though.
That sounds good.
I would be in the house
And with family
That's my answer
Yeah I'm gonna do that first
Then I'm going outside
Fuck that
I'm gonna say you ain't staying at home
What?
I gotta go see some music
I got to dance something
I didn't see the holes
I didn't even think about going to like
Live music
Because
Now let's check a few boxes
Seemingly French is up
So that digger had a welcome party
Just yo nigga
We're not even taking you home
We out
Let's go get you jewellied up
Let's go get a car for you.
He probably already had a car on a release.
Like, yeah.
Self-centeredness is at the core of my disease.
I would tap them after the jewelry stop.
I would do the jewelry stop.
I would go get laced up.
Go see whoever we see.
Drake me down and take me home, please.
Oh, no, take me to Louis Stort, too.
Why?
Gotta get right.
It's the last thing on your mind is some clothes.
No.
They got them right.
They got them right.
Jump suit.
They got them right.
No, nigga, I know.
That wouldn't have been on my mind.
You should have been on my mind and I wouldn't have been outside.
You should show up with the clothes.
Like when I pick people up from prison, I come with the clothes.
My brother's bad as shit if I shot my clothes.
Yes.
Had a jewelry, had a clothes, had a car.
Now, you got to pick what jewelry you want.
No, no.
I mean, it looked like he didn't pick that jewelry.
That was, that was, they had for him.
You can get more.
And Max, I'm saying.
He's going to go crazy when he gets to pick a shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's been away for a while,
so he might not be up to snuff on what is what.
Right.
So I'm a late show in the beginning.
Well, I guess it would depend on I don't,
what are his plans?
We don't know his plans.
From the looks of things,
it looked like he's trying to get back lit.
He told me.
He said that.
When he called in here, he said,
he spoke to him.
He said at the Jets game too.
He's like,
I am coming back to make my,
I want to be low now here.
Like, I'm getting into the music.
Yeah.
We get straight to it.
I'm hearing that they're saying he would like to get with cash.
Cash Cobain and these niggas.
And I like what he said.
Like these are people that they say they grew up on my sound.
So yeah, now let them work with the OG.
I love it.
And they lit.
That's the right move for me.
Yeah.
And to put the ball in their court.
They kind of, not like you got to do it, but it's the right thing to do.
But they would want to.
Yeah.
Yeah, they want to.
They want to.
They want to.
And it's the right thing to do.
I need to hear whiz and Max.
That's all.
I don't care.
I don't care.
I don't care when it happens.
Is your heart going to be broken if it don't sound like it did 20 years ago?
It'll sound like that.
Would my heart be broken?
Yes.
Okay.
That answer the question.
Yes.
He was putting an solid sound and shit from jail.
Exactly.
And like I said, WIS last project, yes, I think they can do it.
That's what I need to hear.
Whiz's last project was hard.
It was.
I think if Max get with the right niggas and start talking the right shit, I think his sound and style just him.
Some people got it and some people are.
even if he didn't make music.
He just as a personality.
Oh, he'll be a content career.
He can be a content career and go crazy.
Yeah, I think he's going to be a hit no matter what.
I just don't know if that means music.
Shit.
Music is going to work for him.
A lot of the shit that he was doing back then is what people have been doing since.
So that shit is going to work.
All that sing-songy shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just happy for him and his family.
Absolutely.
Happy for his kids.
I almost teared up when the kids was the first one to hug him.
I had to put the phone down.
a little bit and I like everybody waited let them get that I like that even that though
again I'm aware that I'm talking from the perspective of an introvert don't bring no
bunch of niggas to Hudson County pick me up they what I feel you I'm not I'm talking about
just oh for you you don't come bring no don't come bring no hundred niggas to the jail to get
not for me not for me my mom I know you all excited yeah my mom my kids my girl yeah it was
my girl my girl I don't even
want my mom out there
in the parking lot is going to take them 19
hours to let me out this
motherfucker. Yo, that is true? Your mom
gonna be down to that vending machine ain't got them.
No, nigga, you think you're getting out at 1 o'clock.
Yeah, right. There ain't no stifers in there.
We got out early, so they wasn't that long.
Get out that bitch at 1039 p.m.
Family been out there for 14.
You're like, this is some bullshit.
And I got to come out and whack it first, too. I can't get
straight to some pussy.
You've been whacking for 16.
You've been whacking it.
I'm just saying.
And as soon as you come out, you get some pussy.
Now, you ain't going to make me come in fucking a millisecond.
Yeah, I want to.
Joe, you can whack it.
It's a woman holding you, scratching you.
Nigger, that ain't what that Fifi did.
You crazy.
Nigga, but you got to get the first out.
You got to get the Fifi with the batteries.
He came home to his woman, so.
Yeah, they know what this is.
Yeah, if you can't, if we're going to go again, my nigga.
What the frack?
Even somebody you don't give a fuck about
in which case you don't give a fuck
Or is your lady
Is she expecting it to beat?
She can be disappointed
If it's not for two seconds
I know I'm talking shit
I'm talking shit
Good point
I'm talking about
If I come home and I'm fucking for 20 minutes
After being in jail
My wife can be like
Yeah
What were you doing?
Right
Fuck that
Yeah
Yeah
Naga squam
How long
How long till we get some music
Do you think
Soed
A week?
A week
Oh yeah
It was in the studio
Yeah
Very soon
I might get some music
Next week
Yeah
I agree
them.
Fam, that nigga
don't want to go to sleep.
I want to get right to it.
That they got 16 years of
plans, dreams.
He probably got an outline.
He probably got mad stuff.
And he's been keeping
abreast of all the music that's out.
He probably got cadences.
For sure.
He's been releasing music.
He ready.
I've never met a rapper
that went to jail that came home from jail
and didn't have 100 fucking concepts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mad shit, memorized.
You don't even got to read it off the paper.
Yeah.
I ain't going to lie when Wayne came home.
That shit was fire, yo.
He put all them jail raps on slaps.
Yeah.
That's when fucking that six foot seven and all that shit start dropping.
But the rap is outside new.
Like, we knew.
Because he was only going in for a year.
A year, nine months.
Eight, nine months.
He was the best when he went in.
And now you give him time to just sit down and write.
Think.
Nick, he's going to come out and get with bang.
And it's going to be, we got to be quiet for a little bit.
Yeah.
That's always great, too, when rappers know that you got to chill out, like, just go, go home, go hide for a little bit.
Shout to Max B, man.
Shout to French.
Again, his family, friends, kids.
I know y'all been waiting a long time for that, man.
And as fans, we have as well.
For sure.
Yeah.
What's for him is for him?
He deserves everything that's coming to him.
For sure.
What else needs our attention?
What else is important?
I'm a little riled up over the dable firing, but we can get to,
sports later.
Riled up good or
riled up bad?
I don't like it.
I don't like it either.
I like it.
I don't like it.
We'll talk about it later.
We'll talk about it.
What else needs our team?
Oh, and Sebastian Telfier, we got a lot of sports shit.
But what else is important?
Well, that's not really sports shit.
But anywho.
That's project shit.
Yeah.
Anybody watch the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
I saw a clip.
I saw the performance.
I saw the Outcast tribute.
I watched the whole thing, but I fast forwarded through a lot.
Because it was like four and a half hours long.
Yeah.
It was a lot.
They got TiVo.
Uh, it was T, uh, Disney Plus.
I'm old as that.
I'm old.
Divor did it.
Tivo.
How was it?
Uh, it was, well,
salt and pepper shit was amazing.
Yeah, that was the best one.
Um, Outcast shit was,
wow.
I was disappointed.
Um,
the speeches were great,
but the performances,
first of all,
Andre didn't perform.
Big boy did.
He opened up with,
um,
with Jid,
doing Andre's part.
And that was great.
but then Doja Cat came out to do Ms. Jackson.
Yeah.
And fucked it all up.
And she was just doing the bridge part.
I was appalled in my house.
Me and your dog.
Yes.
Okay.
And just did not know any of the words.
Flubbed it on a fucking major stage.
I don't understand.
I don't get it.
I've seen a lot of people do that.
Like at the tributes and shit, if I'm doing a tribute to LL, if I'm doing a tribute to Eminem,
fam you know for weeks that you're going to do the tribute right get the fucking words and
I've asked artists that question before like how do y'all fuck that up and the answer is that
I seem to get most right nervous no is that you think you know it's like when you do karaoke
you think you know a song until you have to sing it without somebody else singing it with you
yeah they overestimate their preparation they underprepared because they think they already know
but the DJ was hype man in her and there was vocals in the background track so all you
you had to do is I also don't think that uh their cast
List consisted of a bunch of people
who loved Alcass.
Well, I will say Tyler, the creator came out
and did bombs over Baghdad.
Boy, he smoked that.
He fucking smoked that shit.
He sounded like somebody loved Alcass.
He knew, like, he was gesturing to the world.
Like, he knew the words.
You know what I'm saying?
It wasn't just like, I learned this song
for this performance.
Like, he embodied that performance.
Tyler also loves hip-hop.
He does.
Yeah, but they're looking for star power.
Of course.
I get it.
You accepted the role.
Right.
Learn the word.
and you're an artist
How hard is it for you to memorize
Raps?
It ain't shit for you.
No, that's not true
Depending on the rap.
Depend on the rap.
But that part
The bridge is easy, bro.
That's,
It's muscle memory for you
After you getting the
I was happy she was fucking it up.
I was fucking it up with her.
That's been to your auntie.
Yeah, that shit is just a spitting.
Yeah, that's just a thing.
It was basically what I was like,
hmm.
Am I wrong or is she?
Who's wrong here?
Someone doesn't know.
the words to this.
Oh, man.
But you did well doing,
doing Andre, doing elevators.
I think it was.
Shout to Jim.
Yeah, he smoked it.
He smoked it.
I would expect nothing less.
Salt and pepper shit was amazing.
And sad.
Why?
Well, for the announcement
during the speech
where it was like,
and I think that actually goes
to the conversation
that we've had up here
when we were raking salt and pepper.
Like, I feel like they kind of get,
they kind of get
underappreciated.
And that may be because
their shit has
been on streaming this whole time.
Yo, dog.
I said that was the argument I made before.
Yeah.
Like, yo, fam, we don't have all these female artists
if there's no salt and pepper.
Yeah, for sure.
What was the announcement?
The other series is on streaming
and they're battling for it.
Yeah, they're not being paid
and haven't been paid for quite some time.
All this time.
I mean, we end the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
and we're not going to pay.
There's a, they're suing UMG.
We spoke on this.
Oh, yeah, we did.
Okay.
There is, I think it's 35 years.
After 35 years.
contract, they were supposed to be able to get their rights, get their masters back.
And UMG is not trying to give their masters back to them.
Now, the 35 years have passed.
So that's what this lawsuit is over.
And what they're accusing UMG of is trying to basically tank the value by not putting it on any streaming, anything.
So right now you can't even go listen to their music.
That's crazy.
And they can't get it to put it up there themselves.
So it's like, our shit just don't exist.
It's in the hands of somebody that shouldn't have it.
And we just ass out.
Fucked up industry.
It's really fucked up.
So I put a couple of records out last month,
one of which I thought was actually decent in a video
that I really liked, yeah.
And she's like, I'm not put,
she's not even putting her individual music
in other places as a protest
to what's going on.
So I'm hoping they get their rights back soon, man.
It's insane.
It was a video the other day that our girl,
Sheney and Harnett put out.
She was talking about her biggest song
that we didn't play 90 million times
to be, if you let me.
And she was saying how,
whatever deal she was in,
She was very young.
And she wasn't getting paid from her biggest song.
She said a lot more than this, but the Clifno version was.
She was saying, you know, as an independent act,
it took me so long to even find a song that would be played.
So when I finally got one with if you let me,
I wasn't being paid for it.
And all these years go by and now TikTok,
somebody on TikTok has made a house version of the song.
so now I'm being paid
and now somebody's calling and saying
hey I do have royalties that they hid from me
so it was beautiful what she said
hurt but it was beautiful to hear her
get her just do the same with salt and pepper
you're all absolutely right
think about hip hop royalty
I don't know disrespect
I don't know what they do
but fam they could be potentially
like fucked up and then dire straits
and you got potential income
that you can't get you've devoted your life
to hip hop
And to be clear, these are massive fucking records.
This is not like they just were some underground group and were like crying crocodile tears.
They are pushing in commercials.
Yeah.
Licitian shit out.
What a man, shoot.
All that was smash hits.
Let's talk about sex.
All that shit.
All that shit alone.
I mean, hey, Herbie Lovebug.
Shout to Herbie Love, and he performed with them, which was amazing to see.
He was up there.
Yeah.
He accepted the award with them.
Fire.
That was great to see.
Herbie Lovebug was him.
He was.
Yeah.
And don't get enough credit.
As a songwriter, as a producer, all that shit.
It was funny seeing Kiddenplay come out.
They did the beginning of the dance.
And they just never came back out and did that.
One of them, niggins, fuck on the same.
I was the fucking Achilles.
There was some, just,
Salt and Pepper and Warren Zeven.
Zivine, thank you.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't say that.
Thank you.
Were awarded for musical influence.
And then there were the performer categories.
bad company was honored.
Chubby Checker was honored.
I was shocked that he wasn't already.
You know, people be in there for like,
sometimes people I feel like every year there's people
like, weren't they already in there?
And they've been there for one category,
but not for another.
Because that happened last year
with a couple people we were talking about.
Cindy Lauper, Outcast, Soundgarden,
Joe Coker, and the White Stripes.
Is it a Cocker?
I always don't say that wrong.
Thank you.
The Joe Cocker performance was...
Joe Coker?
Most people pronounce, in the UK
pronounce, they don't say Cocker,
or Cockbird.
say Coburn because it sounds like Cock.
But I never knew how to say I'd say his name.
Okay.
Over here, we say Joe.
Why the fuck are you telling me what he is on God?
What they say in the UK?
He is British, but still.
Because he's British.
Do you see why that would be a relevant point?
You ain't British.
Just acknowledge you ain't know he's British.
The Joe Cocker performance was probably the best of the night.
It was the last one.
For my friend, that one.
Yeah.
He has a couple other massive records that you might not know are attributed to him.
And I'm drawn a blank, but there's several.
Joe Cocker's British.
all the white soul guys are British bro
and girls
he's saying god damn
the sly stone tribute at the beginning
was amazing
it was Maxwell
it was Questlove
it was
it was a ray of artists
that opened up
with a sly stone tribute
which was also beautiful
it's totally worth watching
like I said it is long
you can skip around
I'm gonna watch it
the white stripes got inducted
shot to Jack White
that performance was actually
at the 21 pilots
you like white music
is that the name
of the kind of
Poked band.
They actually body that shit.
They body.
Shout to everybody in.
I'm going to go check it out.
I'm going to watch.
Yeah, no, it's definitely worth worth a watch.
And they're going to trim it down for January 1 on ABC.
So that four and a half version of private will turn to two-hour version on ABC on New Year's Day.
A couple of the induction speeches were really long.
They got plenty of space.
Jim Carrey was up there for like an hour.
There was a bunch of people up there just rambling.
Iggy Pop was up.
You know, it's like, all right, Doug, I want to.
Jim Carrey is really high on my favorite white people guy list.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He did, like White Denzel to me.
He brought Soundgarden, I believe.
And it was good.
It was just like, all right, dog.
Like, enough.
Yeah, we got it.
Yeah.
Also, one of them award shows I was at in, in L.A. at the hotel.
I was way too excited to see Kidd and play in the lobby at the hotel.
I don't blame you.
Why?
That's kidding play.
No, it's good.
No, I'm saying.
I love getting play.
Right.
I get that.
But it's one of those sites.
Like if you were naming the people right now that you're going to get super excited to see you might leave kid and play off the list
Until you see him until you see kid and play do one dance and you saw him together? Yes. Yeah
It ain't like catching one you know what I mean I caught both of you all together. Yeah, I gotta shout I got to shout them niggas out man. I don't really remember no kid and play term war I don't want to age this pot out
I don't remember them beefing and that's when kid was the biggest rapper in the world
Yeah, no
That's kind of dope
Them dudes is fly
It was funny seeing a kid
Without the hot top
You got some little curl shit
Now I don't know what was going on
And they was so sweet
Yo
Like super sweet
Humble down the earth
Fans of me and hip hop
And just shout to the heads man
Shout to the heads
And congrats to everybody
That made it in
Yeah for sure
What else do we have
Did you think,
just one more question about that?
Yeah.
Like, Chubby Checker,
a couple people didn't show up
when we knew why.
Some, like,
with the white stripes,
it was like some,
a little bit of band turmoil.
That's his,
but Meg White is his ex-wife.
Yeah,
and they thought she was coming.
He shouted her out,
but she didn't come.
But Chubby Checker didn't show up.
This is the question.
Chubby Checker didn't show up
because he said he had a paid gig.
Hey, man.
Hey.
Y'all not paying me to be here?
Is that,
I just,
it might speak to the,
the,
where am I at financially,
bro?
I might need that day gig.
That's what I took from it.
I didn't take it as him dissing the Rock of Longhouse.
I was just like, damn.
I got to be like, damn.
I got bills.
In my 80s, if I still got to take a working gig from this,
that says a lot about how this industry treated me.
I just thought that was important.
I'm like, Chobie Chaukechuket didn't disrespect the event.
It's like he got to still be working.
I just think that's crazy.
Chapparone, our girl, brought in Cindy Lopper
and she couldn't read the teleprompter,
so that was a bit of a struggle.
That's like a 20 minutes.
And Cindy Lopper is White Chalka Khan.
I'm not going to go that far,
She was, she got a couple slaps that are undeniable.
I didn't mean talent-wise.
You mean she's going to get him in talent, right?
I didn't mean talent-wise at all.
Then, yes.
Absolutely.
Cindy Lauper is exactly who I expect to go up there
and not give a fuck about that teleprone.
Yeah, her and the girl Ray bodied time after time, actually.
That was dope.
That was dope.
If you love, you get it.
I will be waiting.
My man Lou was trying to throw dirt on Cindy Lauper's name,
but then they went through the slaps.
I mean, she might not have a ton of slaps,
but her slaps are high-level slaps.
They were slaps.
You can't do that to Cindy Lauer.
In the 80s?
Yeah.
You couldn't say shit.
And just her style and, like, iconness,
if that's a word, is unmatched.
Yeah, no, she's one of them.
Yeah.
And she was a good vocalist, actually.
She had a weird style, but she had range.
Like, she could, she could belt.
I only appreciate it.
Michael.
You say Michael was fist off.
You say Mike looking out.
Michael said, Michael said,
That's a production day.
Mike was like, oh.
Michael was so mad.
Everybody ain't good for every song
and she was not good on that one.
She said, wow, wow, wow.
Michael said, oh.
Fuck everybody.
I need a smoke break.
I don't need a smoke break.
Hey, I was having that show at a time.
Prince had the biggest, they were way for Prince too.
They just show us more footage when artists ain't vibing.
Yo, bro.
Because I don't blame Michael Jackson.
Michael's looking at them.
He hid straight after the awards.
It's late.
I'm one take Sammy out this bitch.
Like Stevie Wonder over there.
Body-ish.
Why do we have to stay later because this bitch?
No.
And the other dude.
Was Huey Lewis?
And Homeboy.
And Homeboy.
There's a few people I thought they should be doing better.
Now, who was Homeboy?
I don't know.
But him.
Rap, rap, rap.
Now, Bruce, Bruce St.
was fulkinged it up in there, too.
Michael Jackson was over there looking at a
nose of the pattern.
They said Steve.
Stevie Wonder was able to do Bruce Springsteen's part for him.
Like some ill shit they were saying by Steve.
He was AI before AI.
Stevie Wonder could have done everybody part.
Yeah, word.
Mike was in the corner like, boy, it falls 20 pounds every hour.
I'm not.
What?
Oh, my man, I don't know my man's name.
Bruce Springsteen used to spray tan.
Probably.
It's from Jersey.
He's from the damn shorts.
I'm not saying that.
What that mean?
We knew.
I'm not saying.
White's in Jersey.
do some sprayton.
South Jersey.
He from down here.
Yeah.
I know.
That's why he's back.
He looked a little darker during that old.
Born in the U.S.
I was born in the U.S.
I'm like,
yes, brother.
Yo, that's what you got your best from?
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
That's a little brusish.
Yeah, they was.
Yo, they was.
I, to you said it.
I didn't realize you were paying homage to Jersey.
Hasbury Park.
That's crazy, yeah.
Long Bridge.
Ashbury Park.
Yo, shout to Asbury Park.
Anytime I was it locked up or in a rehab, dumb white boys from over there, I just respect it now.
I ain't never been there.
But when niggas say they from Asbury Park, I kind of got a good visual of what you niggas is like.
Like the trenches in Asbury Park.
Jersey is big
I gotta really explore jerseys
They say it's some sundown towns out of here
I told you all about the time
I never heard of those down
They ain't far, nigga
20 minutes away
I saw a little people tell you
Bob Clark
By where I live
Damn bitch
You got damn
Well
You walk right in this one bro
You did
That fit
You did
You walked in took his shoes
Hey, buddy.
Hey, boss.
Yeah, yo, not far.
They ain't that far?
Not far at all.
What they're going to do if we drive down there?
Boop, pop, boop.
Oh, the cops?
Yeah.
Dog, the cops stopped us and said,
nigger, the cops stopped us.
It was like, where y'all going?
We're going to Atlantic City.
Well, stay on the expressway.
Don't come back.
When you come back, don't come through this way no more.
Damn.
Yeah.
And we just took the, it was like a back world.
And you told him you were an informant?
No, I didn't.
He said, check me.
You know, dog, I'm one of you.
He said, I'm C-I-44.
Right.
Go-Freeze.
Oh, hey-good.
No problem.
No problem.
Black ass is going on that.
That's what I said.
He popped the glove conforming got that white face out.
No, Frieze got the white face in the car.
In the trunk of some shit.
Hold on, Officer, give you a second.
No, no.
I got to do this prize speech ad, but we was talking about Michael Jackson.
Did you all see the fake Michael Jackson mad at the real Jackson that they cast it to be fake
Michael Jackson.
I fortunately missed that.
I saw that.
Thank you.
He was mad.
Not the one that was on the Broadway.
Who was the fake?
Who was the fake?
The Broadway do?
We don't know that he's,
we don't know if he's mad.
Because he didn't talk.
He watched the trailer,
silently,
made some faces,
and in every blog that picked it up
was like,
he mad.
Look at this nigga.
Mad at the casting.
He didn't reply and said
that he wasn't mad.
But if you watch it,
he was mad.
He was mad.
But what?
That's like when old boy
didn't get that pock
feature
the one that's running around
looking like Tupac.
Yo, I forgot about that.
Yeah.
I told him.
It made them
and going to the basketball games
all that shit
looking like Tupac
and then when they did
the Tupac movie
they got anybody but him.
The fake Michael Jackson
does,
he does look like
some type of Michael Jackson
but you don't get to be mad
if the person they cast it
is actually a Jackson's related to me.
He's a Jackson.
He might can just do Mike better than you.
That's it.
Could be that too.
It don't matter how good you look if you can't act.
If you can't do the problem.
Even if he can't, it's my nephew.
I'm hiring my nephew to do it.
You know there's some stories.
Is it a nephew?
Yeah, it's his nephew.
I'm mad at y'all for thinking that Michael Jackson impersonators are reasonable
irrational.
Why doesn't he just see it's his nephew?
They're crazy people.
Almost every Michael Jackson.
They're like Elvis impersonators.
No disrespect.
I don't want to smoke with none of y'all.
Or money.
Yeah, or money.
But like, they're crazy.
A lot of them,
start to think that they're Michael Jackson.
So they're judging, they're not like,
is this a person they're better than me?
They're like, I'm Michael Jackson,
and you're not doing a good job of being me.
That's like the video thing.
I know I'm crazy.
I agree with them.
If I wake up every day,
and I put on something,
and I go outside.
And they're like, yeah.
It's fucking Mike.
And Mike is dead.
He ain't going to go to the same acne as me.
Then guess who's Mike now?
Sorry.
You ain't seen.
Sorry.
It was a video with one of the Mike impersonators,
and he watching another Mike impersonators.
Yes.
And they were proud of this.
Like, yo, he's doing all right.
It's me.
You're not Mike.
That's what I'm saying.
People are crazy.
Oh, man.
That's crazy.
In my hometown, in O'Mair, there's a Jimmy Hendricks that is not Jimi Hendrix.
That's, I think, hopefully he's still around.
Shout to Jimmy Hendricks of O'Mire.
He's not all the way.
Shocker.
That's Jamie Hendrick.
But he'll tell you stories of, like, tour.
Oh, all right.
That's another level.
Alira got that.
Some good stuff out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Now, some people are telling me that we hit this weekish.
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Yeah, yeah.
Joe and Ish.
It's more like it's and Ish.
Joe and Ish.
Joe and Ish picks it.
Let's see what the Joe and Ish Picks is hitting for now.
All right.
We are going with Jalen Warren for over 19 and a half receiving yards.
That's Ish Man.
It's like Jalen Warren.
Okay.
Sam Darnel for over three and a half rush yards.
Okay.
D.K.
back calf.
Look, it's getting scary.
Over 51 and a half receiving yards.
He'd do for a bounce back.
Yeah.
He's due for a bounce back.
That could be one pass for him.
He do for a bounce back game.
And Evan Ingram for
more than 22 and a half receiving yards.
Okay.
Okay.
Let me have some Joe Spice on that.
J.T.
Whatever the fuck he feels like doing out there.
Boy, he saved me from that bow-nick.
blunder Thursday night.
I knew it was lit.
I started getting a bunch of texts.
Oh, man, JT, JT, JT.
I opened that session
at 55 big fantasy points.
God damn.
Tanna.
PPR.
I played him.
PPR.
I played Tanner.
He had them.
Oh, my Lord.
Nah, but you know how good it feels
as a fantasy owner?
Because that game was 9 a.m.
Yeah, it was an early joint.
Match over.
In Berlin, I think.
Before 1 o'clock start,
I want my fan.
match up to be what it is.
I don't even think I watched football this weekend.
I didn't watch it either.
I did.
Yo, him and A.
A, Shane.
I don't know.
A chain.
A chain.
He's nice.
A chain and Wadles, they're doing a little bit.
Yeah.
They're doing a little bit.
Who's coaching y'all?
Like, still my.
And they like he drove by the Bills Bar and trolled him afterwards.
Yeah.
There's a Bills Bar down in Miami.
So he pulled the, he lived right by there, he said.
So he pulled by it.
pulled by with the windows down and shit.
Oh, man.
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And it's good to be right in fantasy.
Oh, man.
And then I felt a little better after that Justin Herbert first half on Sunday night because
he looked like Bo Nix.
Yeah.
He did.
But he did.
He picked it up.
him and McConkey.
He turned up.
He turned up.
He turned up.
He turned up.
He turned up.
Thanks Keenan Allen
for that whole
three points.
That's Keenan Allen
for losing one.
Yeah, congrats.
Yeah, he set the record
for, I forget what,
but he has the most
receptions and charges history.
Got it.
And I loved Antonio Gates
being in the building
for that.
Yeah, yeah.
Who was my old school
fantasy?
What?
He was the go-to.
Forever.
Before people was picking up
tight ends early?
Yeah.
You'll get him on,
yeah.
When they said Gates fell off.
I was like,
no he didn't.
Yeah, he was a river's boy.
Yeah.
Oh,
Reliable.
Rivers was going to get gaited that ball.
All right.
So the Giants fired their head coach, Dable.
Yeah, I don't love that.
Before we get to that, I watched some of that Giants game.
And y'all know I ain't about the city and football you all to death.
Yes.
I watched the Giants game.
And in the fourth quarter, on fourth and one,
Daibald decided to kick the field goal because they was up.
They had 20, whatever they had.
Yes.
And I'm sitting there saying
If they lose this game
This will be why
The announcers are sitting there saying
Oh if this could come back to haunt you
Sure enough I checked the phone
24 to 20
Yep
Caleb showed out
Outside of that I like him
He's having a good year
Go Ben Johnson
Yeah go Ben Johnson
Really doing some things over here
Totally turned around
Who's the second year
Recever they got last year
A Runday
A Mondeh
A monseid.
I'm always fucked somebody
name up.
A Dune Zay.
Yeah, totally turned around that offense.
His father wrote some shit on Twitter.
I saw.
That shit was funny.
Say, yo, Chicago, could you please trade my son
to somebody that's going to throw him the ball?
Oh, shit.
Also, Marvin Harrison said some shit
about the Cardinals and his son.
Both sons have come out and said,
my dad is my dad.
He don't speak for me.
I'm letting you athletes know if your dad say something,
I think he's speaking for you.
Especially if your dad is Marvin Harrison.
Right.
Yeah.
Do y'all think that's fair or unfair, though?
Like, should Marvin Harrison, he is who he is.
Yeah.
But you didn't play for the Cardinals.
Like, should he be able to kind of make it tougher for his kid in the building?
Or is he a dad and he's a Hall of Famer, so you let him say what you want.
What are you doing on that?
Hall of Fame.
I think you can make it hard for your kid.
I see, I understand it.
I just think as a professional, you played this game.
And so you know what comes with it.
You know what I'm saying?
I think you got to chill out.
Unless it's just totally, totally egregious,
like your kid's getting minutes.
Right.
He's the number one there.
Yes.
It ain't like he a bum over there
and they benching him or he, fourth string.
He's the number one there.
So I just think that, you know,
as a professional, you played this game,
you got to kind of chill out sometimes.
I agree.
You know your name carries a certain weight
and it's going to get attached to your kid regardless.
So you've got to kind of just walk that,
walk that line unless y'all have a relationship that's so distant that people know that
you know or people know you like like if lavar ball says something nobody has necessarily puts it on lanzo
or or mellow because they know that they're so different man or plausible deniability pops go ahead
and say it so that i want that way i could say face over here and lee you say what i'm what i
really want to say but i got to do this the right way it could it could even with the lamar ball um
example bro when when when lanzo first came he had a target on his back because your father had talked
so much shit in the off season, now guards
like, yo, come get this.
Right. You know what I'm saying? So,
I don't know. If it were me, I would want my dad to be
silent. Yeah, it's professional. Even if I
agreed. Yeah. Even if I'm giving
them the tea. It's bumps and bruises. Yeah,
it's my turn now.
No. Yeah. Speak up.
So do you like Daveo being fired?
I don't love him being fired
in the middle of the season. I understand
why they did it. The experts are
saying he was running darts straight into
Concussion City too much.
I mean, that's something fair.
He's a rookie quarterback.
He's going to be making some rookie quarterback decisions out there
that may put himself in bad position.
The experts are saying that DART had 25 designed run plays,
leads the league in that even though he didn't play the first four weeks.
They're saying that's a lot.
I'm not a football guy.
It is a lot.
I don't know what someone was not.
It's a lot.
But I think a lot of times how you run the ball as a quarterback matters.
Yeah, for sure.
Bro, he won't slide.
Right.
That was Mike's problem back in the day.
Like, yeah, he's not sliding, fam.
Like, yo, if I go get 14 yards and I move the chain, slide, dog.
He got that cab scadabo was in him.
Like, they, two peas are the same part.
Yeah, crazy white boys.
Asbury Park.
Asbury Park.
Let's fucking go.
Yeah, dog, I just, I just, my thing is,
I don't like when we don't give head coaches a fair shake.
Like, give me three years.
Give me, and especially in New York, the media is so powerful.
How much time did he have?
He's had three years.
He had three years, but he just got a quarterback.
His first year he took him to the playoff, so let's start there.
And won a game.
Never had a number one receiver until last year.
You got to think about all the injuries that Sequan had.
They give away Seekoine, who's basically a franchise player.
Y'all give him away for nothing.
You get what I'm saying?
Like, he's had some adversity, fam.
Like, I just don't like when they don't really get a fair shake.
Think his number one quarterback starting off was Russell Wilson.
They benched him, what, week three?
You don't think three years is long enough, is?
Yeah, if you have a consistency.
He hasn't had a consistent team.
Again, he don't have a one receiver now.
I don't got a one running back now.
Nobody knew Scatterbow was going to do what he did.
See, I think Sean got to go.
Yeah, that's what could be my point is that
the GM.
The GM being there.
He's made some egregious decisions.
It's been bad, bad on that GM.
And then as soon as it happened,
they start putting all these clips out about how he didn't want dark.
Uh.
The GM did it.
The GM, no, the GM wanted to do a doundsay.
Yeah, I don't like, I like football guys.
And Daibel, to me, is a football guy.
I would have, I would have kept him.
Yeah, I would have kept them too.
I would have kept them.
No, not a Dunzee.
Somebody else, I'm confusing.
Yeah, no.
I'm confusing shit.
But there's Sean Clis that he didn't want dart.
I think the GM has to go.
Dable, I thought, was a good coach.
Yeah.
He could coach football.
Right.
You think he bounced back?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's definitely could get an OC job at the very least.
Yeah, he's going to get picked up.
That can coach.
That can coach.
So, no, he'll be, he'll be, uh, he'll be fine. He'll be fine. Speaking of GM's getting
fired, Nico Harrison was just fired. Oh, wow. You're lying. To be expected. Let's say, no surprises
there to be expected. But again, maybe the only surprise is that it's happening right now
in November. Ten, ten games in. Yeah, I thought he'd been fired two months ago, you know what I mean?
But, uh, GM of the Dallas Mavericks fired less than, uh, less than a year after the trade that
probably insured his fire.
Well, two months ago,
they probably still were
celebrating the Cooper Flagg
pick. Like, he's still on a high.
Nobody is trashing Nico
two, three months ago.
If you start two and nine,
two and twelve,
then we got to have different conversations.
You bought an AD, AD is hurt.
But everybody's hurt. Again,
it's like y'all giant's conversation to me.
AD is hurt, Kyrie is hurt,
and Cooper Flagg is a rookie.
Right. And boy,
if I were a massage,
This progenous podcast, I would have some fun with the Clay Thompson slump.
I'm telling y'all, I skipped it.
I skipped it the last two pods just because I'm the wrong person to have fun with that type of topic.
Yeah.
However, it's the same like, like Park said after Keen don't come here and cook and you just want to go to bed.
Like, yeah, after y'all eat, y'all don't feel like going to work.
Turkey legs.
Yeah, y'all don't feel like podding after that?
Like, Clay Thompson over there.
He's prideful.
Yeah.
Eating some food.
He ain't never ate.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Lots of stuffing.
Yeah, man.
His hair cut change, man.
We know what time it is, man.
I'm glad they're happy, man.
She got him in his husband and her phone and her contacts.
Like, they're at that stage in a relationship, so they're really happy.
I think he's just...
Is that true?
Yeah.
How do we know that?
Her phone went on.
They told us?
Yeah.
What did y'all got your wives and your phone's ass?
Uh, his name.
I misspelled her name because she misspelled my name on a flyer one time.
So you were paying?
He always doing some smooth.
I thought that was smooth.
Like, it was personal as the inside joke.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's kind of fly.
Freeze.
Why, if you want some emojis?
And mine says wife after the misspelling.
How many emojis?
I got like four on my, maybe five.
Three or four.
Okay.
Uh, big itch?
Her name?
Just her name, right?
Never miss.
She just something.
Brackling like a nickname.
No, her name.
emojis.
Picture.
Andrew's got a moan?
Got a picture of it?
Save to the contract.
It's like Tommy's job.
Mark?
Just her name.
No emojis.
No emojis.
She got emojis in mind.
That made me think I need to do some emojis.
You guys flip.
Yeah.
What the hell?
Just her name.
I just got dick.
She's got what?
I have a dick.
I just got dick.
I just got dick.
I think I still got much.
What do you suggest?
We don't because we have emojis
Now we bitches
Not true
Not I got her name
Us
Wait what you got your lady is
Her name
This tracks
No emojis
No emojis
What you got your network members
As
Oh shit
Their names
What you got your network member's ass
They names
Yeah they checked you
They named
Wait who checked me
Don't please don't start
Don't go out of his room
Don't go out of his room
Please I'm telling you
Wait is there chat
You my man
Don't I got it out for you
Let's move on
My network
My work names are the people names.
My wife's name is her name.
Easy to see when you look at me.
When you look close to me, bud and don't.
Back down.
I want to know like Joe.
I ain't going to tell them about you, pussy.
I want to know what's going to know.
I want to try to save you.
Try to save me?
No.
Oh, yeah.
No.
I heard they prefer verbs in the count of words.
Nigger you didn't have the nerve.
Chill, Joe.
It's your little man.
Why you get covered that.
Plus Miles.
I like the look, brother.
You didn't get that all that time.
I'm gonna wrap a dick that exact.
He's stupid.
I like when you do that because he really,
you're a part of it.
I'm saying, what you're gonna do?
I'm saying, no, I'm saying what you're gonna do.
You're gonna let me say it.
Then you're gonna have my man take it out.
I promise you.
Oh, okay, go ahead.
Yeah, I'm not gonna play with my man like that.
That's what I said.
Keep moving.
Yeah.
I ain't scared to him.
Fuck that nigga.
You should be a little bit scared.
Keep moving.
Oh, damn.
He got some shit.
He got some shit.
He got some shit.
He got some shit.
He's gonna say he's gonna say some shit.
that you're just going to have to stop for it.
Y'all never watched
the old Westerns.
I mean, you're talking about.
Whom, wamp, wamp, waw.
You got your gun, right?
I got mine.
Outside.
Come on.
Come on.
Let's go in the middle of the thing.
But no words.
About face.
It's all the eyes.
Yeah.
It's about who pulled faster.
You ever seen the quick in the dead?
Boys, I said.
Huh?
You never seen the quick in the dead?
I don't, I'm not sure.
Young Leonardo DiCaprio.
Gene Hackman.
man. Sharon Stone.
Damn, that sounds good.
Yeah.
That shit was good.
That nigga know the white classic.
No, he got the white super classics.
You've seen that movie.
I've never seen it.
That sounds like a fire movie.
Yeah, I never seen it.
I'm gonna check it out.
We'll shoot later.
I'll get back to you.
Oh, I ain't seen that shit.
Where were we?
Uh, Dable, listen, man.
And don't find me.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We've been way past that.
What did she save that as in your phone?
Oh, you didn't stop.
He jumped back two segments.
The fuck he think he was.
He skip past the Maverick's all that thing.
What is she in the phone at?
Yeah. Close the laptop.
Open the phone.
He tried to check his contacts.
He's about to change his contacts.
He changed it real quick.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Okay.
Let me see.
Let me see.
What might she's say?
Oh, all right.
Got it.
You a bird.
I see your phone.
Oh, my son.
Why do you keep looking at that?
My says love of my life.
Aw.
Man emojis.
Some of emojis.
There's three emojis.
All right.
Floating hearts.
Yeah.
Go on, man.
I was just thinking, like, putting wife in your phone,
I guess some dudes would not do that because then when your phone ring, when you're outside,
wife pops up.
That's not the reason I don't do it.
I just never thought about it to right now.
I'm considering changing it to wife now.
Would you change yours as a wife?
Yeah, I would.
I would, yeah.
You would consider it or you would do it?
Consider.
Depends on how I feel.
But when your wife comes.
calls. Yes.
Hey.
I'm ready now. I'm ready.
Listen, listen. We've been here about calls.
Ah, fuck. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. I don't give my five.
Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.
Don't do it. Don't do it. Stop, man.
Let him live. Let him live. Listen. I believe that I heard some of whatever y'all heard you.
So, all right. I don't want to do it. Leave me alone. I think whatever you
heard. I think I heard. I think I heard it. And I don't want to play with the OG. I don't
like all of it.
I don't like all of it.
In my head, I'm like,
hmm, right.
Is this true?
Some of that you just know
is not true, though.
That's what makes it funny to me
because I know it's not true.
You're going to know if I planned a threesome.
Oh, no, no.
You'll know.
You'll be able to tell.
There'll be signs of when,
hey, this was a joke.
But I was, I was about that.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
What topic were we?
on.
We were just moving off
of the Mavericks thing.
Did we get to Sebastian Telfare?
That's what we're going next.
Let's talk about Sebastian Telfare.
I'm sure you all got a glowing review.
I'm going to shut up.
So for those who don't know,
Sebastian Telfare is in Fort Dix
having his last conversation
with Puff that he's ever going to have.
His new documentary
just premiered on YouTube.
Before he turned himself in,
he did record himself
in the project.
Took it back to the project.
Where it all started.
I can't wait for rappers and athletes to stop glorifying Naita.
I really cannot wait.
I cannot wait, boy.
We're so misguided.
We so misguided.
Anyway, he took the people on a tour of where he lives.
Of Corniola.
Yeah, man.
Then he grew up in Colliello, right?
Maybe so.
Yeah, I think so.
Corniala.
Yeah.
For those little, though, he's a former NBA player,
a star, not star, but drafted, star before he continued.
It was a star in high school.
Yeah, high school star, NBA player drafted.
New York City star for sure.
New York City star for sure.
Drafted in 04, I believe, by the trailblazers.
And then it was a bit of a journeyman into the plane in China.
Mark, get to the TV.
He had, but I don't know who he is.
He made $19 million as an NBA player.
He had $32 million in endorsements.
Apparently he didn't receive all of that.
A lot of it he didn't get.
But the point is he made lots of money.
And in this new documentary, he talks about his life.
But he also talks about the fact that he's back.
back in the projects, which for me was...
Heartbreaking?
Heartbreaking. Not shocking because I just see too many NBA players like that.
Yeah.
But going through tens of millions of dollars and ended up back in the projects that you lived in it.
And the NBA was a way to get out of the projects.
It's crazy to me.
I got a little clip for the people that didn't hear it.
Like to hear it, hear it go.
We ain't sugar code night.
Look, we ain't got no keys.
This is how you get your mail.
Oh, he's doing like MTV Quare.
Yeah, yeah.
You got no mail?
We good.
Sort of like the head.
Like the Redman one,
ish.
We use his finger, though, to open the mailbox.
But not kick a nigga while he's down, boy.
Take the high road, champ.
I know how he looked.
I saw the same shit.
Take the high road.
I'm not going to do whatever you think I'm going to do.
I'm not going to do that because I fuck with him.
I fuck with him too.
I fuck with his family.
And I fuck with Brooklyn.
Who did he think was sending him mail?
Are you crazy?
He opened his mailbox with his finger.
now. Looked in the answer.
There ain't no mail.
Well, I've got to keep it trucking.
When you're struggling, you'd be hoping that check come.
Yeah.
You'd be hoping that last endorsement check or that last...
I'm duck in the mailbox.
Oh, me too.
That shit full of bills.
Ain't nothing but bills in it.
You know that one check you wait on?
Look, we ain't got no keys.
Just how you get your mail?
You got to get your mail.
We're good.
Can't come in here by itself.
We're good.
We're good.
two nine 40.
See?
I'm going to pause it again.
Who does Sebastian
think wants to come with
him here?
Like, do you hear his commentary?
I'm blown away by his commentary.
I think you'd be surprised.
Yeah. And I think he's being funny.
He is being funny, but I think you're being surprised too.
My fuckers love that shit.
They do.
Yeah, there's the niggas.
I think it's just saying that some of you
dinkas can't come into this project.
That's all.
I said I took it.
Well, I was just talking about society at
They love the ghetto project.
Like, motherfuckers that was from the suburbs,
couldn't wait to come.
Man, how many badass?
Ligger, look now.
Look now. Today.
They go over the fucking Oblock and shit
like it's a museum.
Like it's a tourist site, yeah.
Take pictures. Hey, look, I'm here.
All right, he's taking us through the hallway.
He says giff and a curse, but it's more of a gift.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm gonna send you this.
I'm gonna.
Being in the project is all, I'm listening to be more.
This is a mess, yo.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not playing this video.
This is sad.
You know, a lot of people.
That's more mentality than anything.
Yeah, it is.
I want an issue's take on this.
As somebody who thinks about money.
No, I, so off-camera we were talking.
In the generation.
Yeah.
It was just like, yo, not.
$19 million.
We look at that number,
and we immediately think they got $19 million.
So basically the studies show, like,
based on $19 million,
he might have took home $10.
Not saying $10 is a little number.
I'm just saying $10 million can be spent.
And again, you live in New York.
My nigga, like, if you're a millionaire dude
living in New York, your house might be $2.5.
You get what I'm saying?
Like, you cars, he was married, he had kids,
all of that stuff.
Like you can run through $10 million.
It's just not $100 million that he had.
So we would be surprised like, damn, $10 million.
And I don't think your conversation just has to do with people that have made $10 million.
You can have just poor money, man.
No, yeah.
So we were saying like, damn, $19 million.
How can you go through $19?
Almost like it's too much to fuck up.
We are starting off with.
It's not 19, fam.
Like, they broke down Jason's contract, Jason Tatum.
And he got $600, whatever, $60 million, $60 million a year.
he was bringing home 30 of that, $29, $30 million of that.
Like, you just look like, you made $60 million.
No, I really made $30.
You get what I'm saying?
By the time, agent fees, taxes, dues, all of that shit.
We got to make sure Jason Tatum is okay.
He only brought home to 30.
Jason Tatum also asked me to get your shoe sizes like three months ago.
Oh, thanks.
Gee, thanks.
I forgot.
And I did get that endorsement, buddy, so he might have actually had,
assuming he didn't get all 30.
Let's say he got 10 of the 30.
Same thing still applies.
You still gotta pay taxes.
You got to still pay.
No, I'm with you.
So I'm saying he might have actually had $20 million.
He could put his hands on it.
Like you said, it's a lot of money to run through,
and it's not a lot of money to run through.
Well, niggas be having a million dollars in jewelry.
And then buying your niggas jewelry and buying other cars.
And again, you marry with children.
So you want to put your kids in the best school.
Dog, I'm broke.
Nigger, my what you're going to call it is $15,000.
Child care, school for a three-year-old.
That shit is expensive, dog, and it ain't the best schools money can buy.
It's pre-k's that's 40 grand.
Yeah.
This is one of them situations, again, I think it's both and, you know,
where it's like, it's not as much money as people think,
and it's easier to run through, and there are expenses,
and you travel and you do all this other shit.
But there's also a way that if you've got $20 million in your hand,
you shouldn't run through all of it.
That's him just being.
But we haven't been trained to do that.
Living a life down here.
Hold on, listen.
That's him being loyal to the hood economics and hood folklore.
That's all it is.
You know, being lawyer to the niggas that's around you or that you came up with and
try your best just to appease them or keep niggas around.
That shit can run out.
MC Hammers are the same shit.
We had a conversation.
M.C. Hammond went through the same thing.
The girls from Port Mound, shout out to them.
And we just discussed, like, how are you making decisions?
And I don't think that in Sebastian's life, he would have ever thought his NBA career
would be so short-lived.
Yes.
So that's important, too.
Like, yo, when you get the money, you think you're going to have a 10, 12-year NBA
career, your NBA career could be four years. Four years, you don't bless your mother,
your father, your homies, your this, you that. You don't spend the bulk of that money because
you think your career is going to last. I'm going to re-up on my next contract. I'm going to hit
these niggas in their head with the Max deal and this and this and this. And you might have
blown through a real, real, real huge portion of that money early on thinking there's more
that is longevity there. And it just wasn't, unfortunately. So that's a lot of that shit too.
And that's why we got to make sure for these high school kids going into college and these colleges going to NBA, that they get financial managers.
Financial literacy. And that's why in schools we need to teach financial literacy.
I agree.
Because to Joe's point, even if you're not going to the NBA, even if you're about to just get a regular job, you still got to figure out how to save, how to manage, how to make good choices.
If you can't afford to buy it twice, you shouldn't buy it once.
I mean, there's some very basic principles that will get you through if you have that kind of guidance.
And we don't get it.
It's the discipline, too.
It's discipline and its guidance, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Because some people can get the, like you said,
some people can get the information still not do it.
You know.
It's unfortunate, though.
Joe, as a star.
This nigga, be seeing when I'm thinking something,
I ain't supposed to be thinking anyone.
Throw it right to me.
Oh, sorry.
You see my brain over here just working on an island.
On an island by itself.
Because you all right, but nigger get a job, you motherfucker.
Yo, that night's of shit.
why do we keep pumping that up?
Why do we keep pumping it up?
Why do we are the only ones that make it look desirable
or think that it look desirable
or think it paint a story?
We've romanticized it.
This mailbox, this elevator,
this hallway, this crib, this kitchen,
with respect, because we all come from.
I come from the projects.
We all come.
At some point, certain shit should not be okay with you anymore.
I agree with it.
And if you still hear,
after all that you've been through.
Oh my God.
I'm just not cutting a camera on, man.
I'm not.
I'm not.
Hey, I know it's this thing where, right,
everybody could go to B&H and radio check,
best buy, get a camera,
and we just cutting shit on,
monetize, monetize, monotize.
Nigger, go get right first.
Like, go get right first.
If y'all not ready to be on a camera,
like I don't want to see him like this.
I was outside for the Sebastian era.
That shit was nutty.
It was.
It was absolutely nutty in New York.
Parks, you saw part of the documentary.
Yeah, I did.
Well, I saw the, it was probably three-minute clip.
Oh, okay.
Because the question I had was, is this, like, romanticizing it in the doc,
or is it saying, like, a cautionary tale, like, don't do what I just did.
I haven't seen it yet.
Both.
Is it both?
I mean, from the snippet that I saw, he doesn't seem down or, like, he sounds like he's kind of having fun in there.
See, that's the dangerous.
To your point, that's the dangerous.
But he accepted it.
No, he accepted it.
That brought us a gift and a curse.
It's more of a gift.
Yeah.
What are we talking about?
And acceptance.
Maybe he shouldn't accept it.
He accepted his condition, bro.
Like, he fucked up the money.
It's not a good thing.
What's for you?
What's for you?
No, it's not what's for him.
It's for him.
But he's not going to hide it.
And that's where it gets tricky.
No, no, hold on.
Hold on.
He's not going to hide it.
He's going to show you this is what my mistakes.
Whatever mistakes that I made, this is where it got me.
And that's how I'm taking.
I met him before.
I remember all the hustles and shit he tried.
He's thinking this is where I'm at.
It takes a lot of guts to show.
I mean, I agree with Joe.
It takes a lot of guts to do that.
You got to present that in a way that you are telling other people,
yo, don't go down the road that I went down.
Don't say, yo, I'm cool over here, yo.
This is more of a gift than a curse.
Like, I didn't see the doc, so I can't judge it yet.
I need to see it before I.
I can't really judge yet.
Y'all didn't see the crib.
Bro, off that clip.
I didn't stop that.
Bro, off that clip.
I'm serious, I'm passing around.
I saw the kitchen and shit.
Who dog is that?
Dog, off the clip, when you sit in there saying,
yo, there's people that can't come here to this building.
Like, you, you proud of this.
Yeah, true.
I see look at the kitchen
Come on man
Oh wow
This is a project kitchen
It's a project kitchen
Yeah
Yeah no no no no
No no no no
No
That's just a nice project kitchen
Wait stop
That's not true
You're right though
This is not a project kitchen
My grandma was in the kitchen
My family is in the project
This is not just a project kitchen
That's not true
A not well maintained
This is a mess
This is a mess
There's asbestos growing
Nobody should live here
Yeah
Oh, y'all ain't see it.
I'm proud.
I don't need to see it.
I don't think he lives here.
Right now, this is a petri.
You got the amenities, man.
He's got the nerve to put some background music.
Still, it's still a pittance and all that.
So you're making jokes out of this.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I can't give him that past.
That flip is giving him.
You're making jokes out of this.
Thousand Pett, all fights and all that.
Got it.
Got it.
Give you yourself.
Got it.
And he got his McDonald's all-American jersey hanging.
And he got his McDonald's all-American jersey hanging.
His one is one.
I'm going to go ahead. This is sad to me.
Well, I mean, this is sad to me.
For him personally, I'm glad that he has access to Diddy right now.
That actually might be a good mentor for him.
On some financial literacy show, on some real shit.
Like, nigger, Fort Dix is in better shape than this crib he's shown.
Jeez.
Niggas get so comfortable being uncomfortable, yo.
So what do you say?
When you talk about financial literacy, right, what do you say to the people that are promoting financial literacy that's coming off as scammers?
What do you say to that?
Some of them are scammers.
but then there's people who are doing really good work.
So then if you scamming, wouldn't it make a person like me
or somebody else reluctant to learn from you?
But financial literacy doesn't have to be the guy on YouTube.
I'm saying, explain.
Financial literacy is you learning from who?
I give you a perfect example.
You can read a book.
I give you a perfect example.
Do you as an example?
Bob, what was it?
Maybe six months ago, nine months ago, I was trying to sell my house
and I had some questions about how to deal with something.
I don't remember what the specific issue was,
but it was how to deal with it.
financially. I didn't understand the process. I understand what the angle was.
So I went to itch because he knows more about this than me. He taught me the process so that I would make a good financial decision. I know what I don't know. And I'm comfortable asking people who know more. Imagine we institutionalized that. Imagine you got that in high school.
Financial literacy could also just come from talking to your friends that maybe know a little bit more.
You don't have to pay anybody for the education. You could go get a book. You could read YouTube. Niggers find out how to do all this other shit on YouTube. Go to YouTube for somebody that you don't have to give a dime and look up topics that we're.
will make you more financially literate.
You could also hire somebody.
That too.
Yeah.
But if you don't have the money, yes.
On the rich end, for sure.
But if you don't have the money
and again, flips point is...
You don't even necessarily have to be super rich
to have an accountant or someone managing your money.
No, no, no, no, for sure.
How'd you learn video editing and stuff?
I'm going to did it myself.
Went on YouTube and did it myself.
Same thing.
Exact same thing.
But I started to read because I just saved money
and do some good shit.
But I'm just saying, exactly.
But at some point, at some point you...
Pay attention.
Care about your pockets.
Yeah.
But we should instill that in our kids young.
Yep.
And we should also make sure that our high schools and our middle schools start to have those as classes.
That's part of the system.
They don't want them.
They don't want you to be financing.
That's right.
That's what we got to advocate for.
Well, that's why you got to pay for private school.
Yeah.
But even in, and again, no disrespect.
We could move this off of Sebastian.
But he says, yo, you see I got the thousand pair of whites and all that.
You know I got to stay fly.
Fam, you are more worried about staying fly than living in the decent surroundings?
Yeah.
You get what I'm saying?
Like that's some of the literacy part we're talking about.
That's some of the mindset.
That mindset got to be undone.
Got it.
You might got a $2,000 coat in your closet or few of them.
We see a niggas go to the project with a lot.
That's ripped for a year if you sell a few up.
Go to the project with Bentley before me.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the program.
You can't even clean up in there.
Hey, yo, your mom.
Because if I'm in a place like that,
my mind get right to cleaning.
Cleanliness now.
I would get up and grab the pine salt or lab.
New paint.
You can't.
You can't.
If I live there, you're going to see an action wall.
Right, right.
Something got a jazz.
Niggott would be in home goods.
I would be home goods filming.
He and nature.
If you don't get you a decorative pillow or something,
a sheet to cover up the fucking radiator that's on the seal of the pipe,
this nigger is crazy.
I ain't just going to come to work.
and just big up crazy shit
because niggas is black
and I fuck with him.
I'm not.
I'm not doing it.
You look nuts in this.
I want to see the story,
but I'm inclined to agree.
Speaking of financial literacy,
ish, I need to turn to you again.
Donald Trump announced,
was it, 50-year mortgages?
50-year mortgages.
Now, people on the left and the right,
it's rare that you see Democrats
and Marjorie Taylor Green all like,
what the fuck is this?
But he said that one of his solutions
was to push for 50 years.
50 year mortgage. Right now people typically do 30 years.
30 years, yeah. 50 year mortgage.
Ish, what say you to Donald Trump's proposal
for the 50 year mortgage? And just your
overall thoughts about it. Yes. Thank you. Yeah,
that's really what I mean.
It speaks to a few things,
right?
The lower, it's called amortization.
So 50 years, 30 years, 15 years,
whatever the case may be. Amortization,
the word amortized, I think, is Latin. It means to kill.
So it means that this is the term that
it takes to kill the debt.
Right? So if you take a 30-year mortgage, it's going to be a 30-year-year for to pay it all back.
What's happening is, in my opinion, the real estate in the country is getting to a level that's so expensive that most Americans can't afford the mortgage payment.
So to lower the actual mortgage payment, you stretch it out.
It's like if you buy a car for 100K, over six years, that's a $2,000 car note.
Borrow $100,000 over 30 years, you might be paying $500 a month, $400 a month.
You get what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So the payment lowers the longer you stretch the loan.
I think we have a financial space where people can't afford four and five and $6,000
mortgages, so you're going to have to stretch it to give them some level of relief
if you still want to encourage home ownership.
You understand what I'm saying?
Yeah, I do.
I follow.
Do you think that they want to encourage home ownership?
No.
Do you think it's a trap?
It feels trappy.
It feels like the car dealership when they hit you with the...
Your interest is going to be crazy.
I just think, again, if your goal,
but rent ain't coming down.
So it's an argument going around like,
what's better the owner of the rent?
It ain't like rent is cheap.
Rent higher than giraffe pussy
and it's going higher every single year.
So I don't see the relief in any of it,
to be totally honest.
But I still encourage homeownership over renting
all the time.
Some people disagree with me.
But I just think that we are in the space
in America where motherfuckers really can't afford either.
So him putting out a 50-year mortgage
is almost some temporary relief.
You're not, you know,
not solving the root. It's a mask and some paint over a bigger problem.
It's the accent pillow on the project.
Basically. Yeah.
Because the people who benefit from this mainly are going to be the brokers, the real estate people.
The banks. The banks. It's not poor people. You know, you're right. It's a cover-up for the real
problem, which is that we don't have affordable housing in this country. But a lot of people
are going to get drawn into this. Like, oh, now I can afford this house. And I really think
it's going to be a lot of middle-class people who are now going to get a bigger house than they can afford.
or more house they can afford
because we always think
like Sebastian Telfare and others,
like everybody,
and I don't want to put it on him,
that we're going to make more next year
than we did last year.
So I'll just pay this off early.
Oh, I'll just catch it.
And so what you're going to end up with
is people who never get to homeownership.
At least with the 30-year mortgage,
you could buy a house at 30
and when it's time to retire,
you don't have, you don't own,
you don't have any, you have a house.
Do y'all not plan for a fall-off?
No, most people don't.
It's so funny you ask that.
That's what I was about to ask you when you were in your island.
Let's get to that after.
after I'm gonna hear of.
Most people don't plan for a fall off.
I think most people
I think us and I get this critique a lot
that when we speak up here
we all speaking from a position of privilege
we all blessed, right?
The average person in America dog
is worried about tomorrow.
Like we're living on
check to check.
And when I say check to check
I really mean check to check.
Like check don't come in my niggas.
Niggas is fuck.
Like did government shut down?
Like I got tenants who,
yo ish i'm so sorry
like my husband is in the navy they're not getting paid
i got you what do you say to that
like yo you can't get out
here's a u-haw
my man
i can save somebody
my man to do it for you
is you all open
we gotta clear this out
I'm gonna give you another week
but i just got NBA players
had it down
so right
like dog
I think that people don't even have
the mindset to plan
fuck playing for the fall off
we already
We just literally trying to get by, my nigger.
That's most people.
That's why I wanted to wait until you finished your segment and then ask the question
because it's a privilege question.
To be able to plan for the fall off, it's a privilege.
It is a privilege question.
It's a privilege.
But what I'd like to see just to tie up this part is housing subsidies, rent control and areas
where it makes sense.
It doesn't make sense everywhere.
Areas where it makes sense.
I like to see housing subsidies.
I like to see things that actually make it easier to own a house, not easier to
inherit 20 more years of debt.
So now you're paying a million dollars on a 300,000 a dollar long.
Yeah, which is what's ultimately happening.
And now since most of us, especially black people, don't live to be 90 or 80,
now you never pay your debt off.
So you go to the grave, not even able to give your kid a house
because you still owe 20 more years on it.
You know, I mean, there's a lot of ways that it doesn't make sense.
I understand we got to do something, but to me this ain't it.
See, that's all my man.
Fuck out of you when the free buses.
They're going to tell them some bullshit.
They're going to learn them.
But they're telling them.
We just wait and see.
It's going to happen.
They're going to learn them.
They go learn them.
But we don't plan for the phone.
They did tell them something.
A few things.
They'll get that.
They're an earful.
You know what, is what I learn real quick?
Stop.
I thought about Joe Lutiff.
When you start getting money, you start to want to,
if you don't have financial literacy,
when you start getting money or more money,
you start to want to purchase more.
Yeah, you go bigger.
Yeah, you go bigger.
And that's a problem.
Yep.
And I noticed that with myself at some point.
We don't.
You gotta slow down a little bit.
Elevator Andy?
No, that's fine.
You know what you...
You still have to slow down a little bit, man.
I was just...
My whole weekend was shit, me arguing my wife.
That nigga, what do you want to buy a new TV for?
What do you want to buy an 85 inch for?
I will tear that shit down.
We're not being delivered here.
buying no TV. That's what I was telling her because I was like,
yo, let's get, let's get settled.
Let's get, honestly speaking.
Work together. Hold on, nigga. I'm talking about my wife.
Let's work together. Let's come together and provide, you know,
a better home for the family.
Let's be more structured. I know I've led us down a rabbit hole,
but now I'm trying to wake up. Let's get it together.
There don't need no more TVs in a fucking foyer,
whatever the fuck that shit is.
Right. Right. Sorry, yes, yeah.
You're laughing about my wife, nigger?
Never.
You're living with my wife?
No. Now we just, as Americans, we just carry too much debt.
We buy a whole bunch of shit. We just buy a lot of that.
You're lucky, Nick. You got a chef in the family. You're good. You can open a restaurant.
We fucked up. A nigga sneaker habit or stupid shit like that.
Bro, niggas be having three and four hundred pairs of sneakers like that shit. It's just, it's
wasteful. I've said this before on the show, but my man who does mortgages for poor people to get them low income,
or not to get them out of housing and into homes. The two things he said is one, people never
People always assume as human beings that next year is going to be better than last year.
We always assume we're going to make more and do better next year than last year.
And he said with black people in particular, because that's his population, he said the solution oftentimes to money is to get another job or to work more, not to spend less.
And so that combination can be tough to navigate.
So we have to think about how can we spend less and also to the question you ask sort of how can we anticipate the falloff.
Obviously on our level is different than somebody who's living, check the check.
But it's still a thing
is you got to anticipate
the next year
might be worse than last.
Yeah, he might get fired.
You got to at least plan.
Or cut in half.
You have to be prepped for it.
Not one I want to say plan.
You bitched your ass, nigga.
No shit.
No more TVs.
Much it's still the same.
Much it's still the same, nigga.
Act's value.
All right.
See, I don't want to get into that.
Yes.
Shit could change.
You love getting into that.
That's your favorite thing to get into.
Because it's him, maybe he is.
It's him, right?
It's him.
Anybody that question that shit, I'm getting at him.
Sure.
Anybody that question that shit I'm getting at him, you got to.
You got to.
He could trick y'all.
He can't trick me.
I'm sorry, he can trick y'all.
He can't trick me, Nick.
That's true.
I know.
I've been tricked.
I'm like Jesus, I'm like Jesus' grandson, nigga.
Every time people say, you know, Joe,
just let it rock.
You're manipulating me.
I want to say,
for what?
What?
What?
I don't think you manipulate any last.
What is it you think?
I'm trying to get.
I say the same shit to be with them.
From you.
I mean, want to tell people,
I want to get people my list of the people
I'm actually trying to manipulate.
It's not, y'all.
It's not, y'all.
Trying to manipulate fucking YouTube,
niggins.
You're right.
Do you plan for a phone off?
God is good.
All the time?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I plan for a rainy day.
Most times my head space is I struggle with what I can't afford versus how it will affect my lifestyle.
That's what I struggle with.
What you can or cannot, you said.
Can.
Can.
Right?
Like, you know, I'm in this.
I'm in house building mode with the land and looking at this and Italianist and fix
it is and it's like okay I can afford some of this stuff but how will it affect my actual
lifestyle quality of life right like that's that's kind of what I'm the house is a good moment for that
I again like when we were looking for houses it was it was I had this moment of reckon my wife
is far more reasonable and mature than I am financially so she's always like yeah we can afford
this but dot dot right will it improve your quality of life what does this look like during the rainy day
how much do you want to struggle?
You know what I mean?
So we were like, we're going to be more modest
than we had to be because
we want to, don't,
we don't want life to be hard if you hit a pitch.
And it's funny
because right after we agreed to buy the house,
I lost a job.
Think about that.
You know, I lost a major deal.
I lost about 60% of my income
right around that time.
Between two jobs, actually.
And it were just deals that right now.
It wasn't nothing bad, but it's just life happens like that.
You got to be prepared for that.
Yeah.
Because I'm still always prepared
the next year.
I'll make more.
I'm always thinking
I'll just hustle more.
I hit the road more.
I'll speak.
I'll do whatever.
I'll write a book.
I'll do whatever to make this
make sense.
And now you got three-year-old.
Yeah.
And I'm almost 50.
You know what I mean?
Like I don't want to be on the road
120 days a year like I used to be.
Like that shit is crazy.
You know what I mean?
But once you've been through a fall off,
it makes you look at life differently.
For sure.
So I know that I'm going to lose a job.
I know that something's going to happen.
I know somebody's going to get hurt.
I know a bill is going to come up that I didn't expect.
And so I look at those things differently than I did before I hit those walls.
Do you all I mean?
Do you all I try to live.
Below means, by all means.
I'm trying to be debt free.
Like that's literally one of my goals.
Like I don't want no debt.
Save.
Zero.
Like I want, the only debt that I want is debt that produces money for me.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Outside of that, bro, I want to be zero.
Zero.
Yeah.
No car note, no credit card bills.
no medical bills, no nothing.
Like, I don't want any debt.
Oh, we only got 79 more months from that car.
I know.
Bullshit.
Amortization.
Amortization.
You got that Trump plan.
You all have got by 89 more months?
I need a 50 years.
I'm on track. I need a 50 years.
I don't have been in the plan.
I'm on track by, I think it's April.
I'll be debt free.
Debt free.
Like totally debt free?
It's fire.
That's what's up.
It's a relief, bro.
paid off on them.
The credit vaccine.
Credit facts.
What the fuck is a credit?
What the fuck is credit?
Credit.
You paid equal facts for all of them chips.
You paid them stupid.
I'm with freeze.
Yeah.
You close to death free too?
No.
No.
No.
The niggins is about to take my pass more.
He'll get dead right around this time every year.
That's true.
Well, I didn't come to you this time.
Yeah.
It's over for that.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Over for that coming to me shit.
Right?
Yeah.
Ain't going to play with my boy working less.
I'm making more.
Oh, my God.
We're working together.
We belong together.
Holy shit.
No, but you're all absolutely right about what you're saying, right?
I fucking, I pay my car off.
Oh, shit.
Old car.
Right?
Oh, the four.
And I'm just like, you know, looking on.
mentality. When I was broke as a joke, I knew
when Benz was putting out the new body of the new car,
the new year, and it hurt to be in the 2015
when the 2016 is out.
Now that shit don't even cross your mom.
Yo, I'd be so, well, now I notice it some years
you want the car with fire. So I'm riding in the 21.
I like the 21. Absolutely love it. The same is the
22, 23.
I'm so happy.
I try that shit like a limb in the 24.
I'd be all over to play.
So I did an interview and they was asking me like,
how do I define like rich?
Because everybody's thing is different.
Yeah.
And I was like, yo, my definition is options.
So like to your point,
if your kids want to, you want your kids to go to Rutgers
and stay in state, that's cool.
But you want them to go to Georgetown,
you can afford for them and go to Georgetown.
If you want, like, you know,
a lot of the rich people will be,
driving Priuses and shit like that,
that's because they want that car.
Right.
When your daughter gets 16,
if she want the little mini Cooper
because she like it,
she could get it.
But if she wanted to see LA,
she could get it.
I mean,
they're doing the same price.
But you get what I'm saying?
So that's how I defined it.
Like, yo, I could live in the neighborhood.
I want to live in,
not the neighborhood that I can only afford to live in.
And to me,
that's the wealth and rich.
That's what that means.
To me,
I want to continue to elevate my level of thinking
in my mind in my mind state.
Like I'm going to these niggas houses
where the house is as much as I would like mine to cost.
But where they headspace is.
You start having conversations with them, niggas?
This guy put a water.
I don't even know what it is.
Some type of water neutralizer
that costs half a million
and you could drink the shower water
like,
Because he believed water and plastic bottles
are going to kill us.
Yeah?
He's up there.
He bought the water neutralizers
so you could just drink
the water no matter where it come from
in his house.
She still has to be a half-millimeter of balance.
I'm like, wow, look where your brain is.
Yeah, nigga.
He only got a certain...
I'm building this house with a certain amount of bedrooms
because I want one kid.
I'm going to have one kid.
Well, I need an old buddy bedroom for it.
Right.
I don't I'm not building the upstairs
I want to die here
Why do I want to walk
Yeah
Like just shit
Regular smart shit
I know shit that I can think out
And I can build what I want
I don't have to take what somebody else
That was day design
That's cool
But I never in my life
Thought to myself
I don't want to walk upstairs
I never even thought that
Yeah
I thought
give me elevator.
Right.
Just different thinking is
that niggas is fucking great.
Got a wellness spine.
These things are fucking.
I don't got to leave the house.
Oh my God.
When I get my house, I'm not leaving.
It also not that expensive to do some of these things,
by the way.
You bowl?
You probably save money doing some of the shit.
Yeah, right?
You bowl.
Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like shit like that,
these niggas got in their house.
You gamble a lot?
You have a full-fledged.
casino in my fucking crib.
Damn, you can't get a bowling alley.
Niggas out here worried about bus money.
Bowling alley in your crib, but you marry,
you live with your wife.
Yeah, there'll be lemons.
Now, now, now, just you and the kids.
Lemon, lemon, Lewis.
You know what we want to do.
If we're trying to go bowling, you know what to.
Yeah.
Hey, Steve.
It's not for sport.
Atbury Park, boy, look at them.
Try to.
You get the flat stone on them.
Oh, my Lord.
Right?
Do you all want to attempt to talk about all her fault?
Oh, we could.
I watched that whole shit.
Yeah, I did too.
We b***.
This would.
Yes, the show.
The show.
You all, we've got DVDs.
That show on Peacock we're talking about.
Good, great bad TV.
All her fault.
Great bad TV.
Yes.
show starts off
Oh, we go to it to them.
No, no, no, no, just.
Break it down.
First minute of the show.
This basically sets the premise for the show.
It does.
You ain't watched Succession.
But Shiv from Succession.
Walks up to a house,
says that her,
one of the ladies from school,
her son was supposed to be having a play date with him.
And was like,
she texted me and said,
to pick the kids up from here.
Pick my son up from here.
She won't be there, but the nanny's here with the nanny.
The kid will be here with the nanny.
The lady's like, I don't know who you're talking about.
Ain't no kid here.
I don't know that person named you mentioned.
What are you talking about?
And that scene one.
Lady goes into a panic.
And I'm not going to give away the show, but yeah, it's, it's, what happened to my son?
It is your fault.
Well.
Well, but why the show, why the show storyline is so compelling, though?
That's how the show starts, right?
So the lady calls the number to text her, numbers disconnected.
The kind lady let her in the house, and they're trying to find the kid.
So that's cool.
But by the time it ends, by the time episode one ends,
their whole friend group is on a board.
Yeah, the whole friend group is on.
Friends, family, teachers.
Everybody.
Everybody.
Everybody's on a police board.
And the cops are saying, I don't know why.
they all had to kill each other.
And that's the show.
So it's not just about a missing kid.
Yeah.
But it is about a missing kid.
The show's heat.
It's a really good peak show.
Like I said, it was so good that we couldn't stop it.
We binge, though.
It's eight episodes.
We watched the entire and good.
We're not going to say that.
Not going to say how it ended.
It didn't end good.
Yes.
Yeah.
And actually, it was great.
I didn't see the end.
I'm only on episode five.
Okay.
For the cast, which is pretty phenomenal in terms of actors that we've seen in other shows,
the acting was pretty bad for a lot of it, in my opinion.
That's a peacock thing.
The only person that showed up to me is the little girl from it
that plays one of the nannies.
And you'll get into more of that because if you're only am four.
She did a really good job.
He's almost there.
Except six is the one.
Yeah, yeah.
See, that I made me mad when six is the one and it's only eight episodes.
Yeah.
Nah, but you'll get why it's eight.
I'm going to check it out.
I started it without my girl.
I'm finishing it without my girl.
Oh, she's living bold.
But I did text her.
Hey, you should watch this.
But real good peacock show.
It is good.
And this is one of them shows, I will say that, you know, part of watching these type of shows
are trying to call out what happened.
For sure.
Early.
For sure.
Couldn't get it.
Yeah, not.
You won't get it.
You're not going to get it.
That's dope.
They did some Twitch show.
At the end, it was like, oh, fuck.
Oh, you got that.
It's not predictable.
That's fine.
Yep.
You think it's predictable, too.
The whole time, after the first episode, I'm like, oh, so, yeah.
Why are we watching it?
My pickman?
Oh, no, no, never mind.
Yeah.
They absolutely smoked the cliffhangers.
Yes.
Yes, they did.
When you get to that end, you're going to be like, fuck.
Oh, good.
Yeah.
I'm excited about it.
They did a really good twist of that.
And it saved it for me because, like I said, the acting and shit, I expected more out of these actors.
But the story brought it.
Like, even shit, like, she was amazing in succession.
She was, I was, like, who is this person?
I didn't really care about the acting.
She was ditsy in here.
She was a loop.
And the husband is.
Oh, no, you think ditsy.
The husband is horrible.
the neighbors
the old girl husband is the worst
nigga on planet
yeah
yeah
she said oh
yeah it's my fault
we were at the matter
and if I
would have just stayed with the kids
like shut up lady
yeah
but the stories
but again secondary viewing
they kept making it a point
to let us know
how this was all her fault
yeah for sure
yeah
and in episode one
I think dad in a moment
of frustration
was like
How could you have not checked the fucking.
He let it slip.
Why he just checked the number?
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean that.
I'm like...
You can't do that while the kid was missing, but I do understand.
If one of your kids got missing and it was undeniably your spouse's mishap that led to it, how hard would it be to keep that in?
Hard, hard.
Because you don't want to.
You got to keep it.
You got to, but it's...
You got to keep it.
It's hard.
No.
You would blame her?
What?
Even if, no, you can't do that.
It don't help nothing right now.
Good for me.
And she's already a mess because the kid is missing.
I'm a mess too.
So you better compound it.
How is that good for you?
You said it's good for you.
It don't help nothing.
It don't help nothing.
Listen, in the moment, maybe not.
But you're going to hear about this how it was all your fault.
Now with the kidnap kid, you can't do that.
Sorry.
Come on.
There go again.
I do have to.
offer an apology, a brief apology
to the fan base that think I'm
crazy for the It series.
This last episode was very good.
My bad. The first two,
I did not really love. I don't like
relying on CGI for scare. Like, nasty
CGI shit is not
going to do it for me. This last episode is pretty good.
So, my bad.
You know how you fuck with that clown.
Never.
Fuck that.
I remember It from high school to this day.
You got to stop being scary, is you?
No, I'm not.
You're too old for that,
I'm not scared of that clown.
You don't watch scary movies?
I thought about you by watching scary movies.
I'm an issue on that shit.
Bro.
Y'all got with clowns?
You got too superstitious.
I'm going to like scary movies.
Like, I'm not scared of them.
I just don't like them.
I love scary movies.
I'm scared of death of clowns.
Really?
Really?
Yeah, I don't fuck with clowns at all.
It's a broadcast.
He can do what he want, nigga.
Mr. Joe?
Yeah, Mr. Joe.
Eat your pork, Mr. Joe.
My son got the sandwich, boy.
The Jersey, Ms. Island.
Look, my son.
He took a big bite, too.
Look.
It ain't going nowhere, boy.
Finish what you have in your mouth?
He about taking another bite.
It's true.
It's true.
He got the white shit around.
Poo's man.
Yo.
All right.
Balls.
God, damn, son.
Other stories.
Flip, actually.
What's the most thing about you?
Because you could break this down.
Ice, too, I think.
West Side Gun.
Free.
But it's wrestling.
You do wrestling.
You do hip-hop music.
So I'm thinking between the two of you are.
West Side Gun got removed from a
WWE event, three minutes after it started.
Right, right?
He paid $5,000 for a ticket.
He paid for his own seats and everything.
Pay for his own seats and $5,000.
Yeah, he just felt like...
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
It was in his hometown.
He flew and everything to pay for the seats and they took him out.
And according to him,
W.
Just is trying to, I guess,
somebody said in the office to him
that WWE doesn't like to see a young
successful, like, man.
This is on the heels of
of WWE sending him a cease and desist
because he was trying to use some of the pictures.
He regularly uses their artwork and music.
In his music. So pictures,
of interview samples.
He's a fan and he incorporates it into his art
in the way that a bunch of other people,
Wu Tang, he uses an example with the Kung Fu Flix.
He does that, but with wrestling shit.
Heals have eyes, too. I'm looking at the cover.
And three, shit. They both got Virgil.
And Part 3 got Ted.
He gives a statement.
I had it, but...
I got it.
Oh, you got it?
Yeah, I was about to read.
Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
No, go ahead.
So he went to Twitter to break down what happened.
And he says, first of all, happened for no reason.
He said, for years, I mean, nobody with two feet has spent the amount of money I have
supporting and pushing a brand I've loved since I can remember.
I sat front row at every big show, literally.
All the good times were brought to my life to the point when I started making music.
I incorporated in everything like Wu Tang did karate.
I made people who hated the product watch it again.
I made it cool.
All the time.
People thought it was nerdy.
I've watched that same company sit countless of people next to me who's not even fans for real and act like I don't exist.
I was threatened to take everything out my music, which I only did to pay homage or my whole catalog would be demolished.
And everybody knows how hard I worked coming from Buffalo for me to get that threat for just supporting and being a real fan hurt me.
But I stayed quiet and still like a crazy man sat front row because I love the culture.
And then his last line was, I have my own company, Fourth Rope, and yeah, we're the underdogs, but we love this shit.
It's not about money.
We're going to keep pushing culture.
And for those that don't know, Forth Rowe.
It's his wrestling.
Forth Rowe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he is absolutely correct.
It was West Side Gun, Smoke Disa, Wale.
Wale.
Peter Rosenberg.
They were the ones who basically made wrestling cool for the hip-hop crowd.
For sure.
Because after a while, like he said, it was looked at as nerdy.
Now, where I'm on the other side of that is
You can't start competition
And then come here
Like, you're my comp now
Granted, everything you did
Like, they used to have that
I remember there was times where there were events
And they would highlight, they put his name on the screen
You know, they were, it was some level of
We're acknowledging you here
But now you've started
That's like Ice Cube going to the NBA game
sitting courtside
But he can't.
Which he can.
Which I can spend my money.
And I can say, no, you can't.
If I own this league and you are my op.
And you come here sitting courtside, I can say I don't want you here.
What are you talking about?
I don't know.
I mean.
I don't know.
There's two issues here.
There's the legal issues.
We didn't care that you were using our images before, but now you are my competition.
You're my direct competition.
At that.
So send a C.
desist to say that I can't use your
IP. I did that. Cool.
Now, for you to remove me from
the stadium in which I paid to
have be a patron, I think, is a different thing.
As a public event. A lot of those residents
two totally different things.
A lot of those independent resident
companies were tunnels to WWE.
So like ECW, and a lot of companies
that we didn't know, they would send them
there first and they'll go to WWA.
Like the G League. Yeah, we didn't know that.
But I don't think he took that step.
I don't think they even considered, he considered
to even working with WW in that
collaborative.
Maybe they didn't offer an opportunity.
Maybe they are.
Maybe not.
What it looks like for me is from Westside Gunn's perspective
before, y'all wasn't doing right by me
with everything that I did for this company
in terms of making y'all cool again.
Okay, cool, I'm going to start my own shit.
I salute that.
I respect that 1,000%.
That is what we want people to do.
Exactly.
Go, all right, fine.
If they want to appreciate you here,
go start your own shit and we're going to fuck with you over there.
Gotcha.
I'm with all of that.
Where I disagree is now you.
you come here.
Granted, you paid your money.
We didn't give you free tickets, but you're not
going to come here to be courtside.
I don't know what you're doing.
I don't know if you film this for your,
I don't know.
You are my competition.
See, I don't like that part.
You can't come here and do that.
I don't like that.
And it didn't used to be like that.
Because, dog, I don't have to come to your event
to poach.
I don't have to come to.
I said post.
He said it.
Oh.
I don't have to come to your event to try and be sneaky.
Dog, I'm a patron.
I paid for my ticket.
I ain't asked y'all for shit.
I want to come.
come as a fan, as I've been a fan.
It ain't nothing new.
I've been a fan for the last decade to come watching.
You said it ain't nothing new.
The one thing that is new is now you are my direct competition.
You wasn't that before.
I will say this.
This is what I would have done.
If I were the WWW, I would have said you can't sit front row.
Because every time we shoot, that's like a promo for you.
Yeah.
It would be like back in the day if like Ted Turner was sitting courtside or Vince Ramen was
sitting court side at an interview event.
So I could see that maybe say, or we're not going to put the camera on you.
something. I don't think you should escort anybody out of
an arena that they pay the ticket for if they're not
doing nothing. And to me,
fourth rope ain't, you know,
a threat to WWE. Right now. They can coexist.
Right now. Right now. Right now. You know what?
It's just said, I don't have to go
come to the event to poach, but that's the
most times people use opportunities to do so.
When you're going backstage, when we
extend the offer to you, you're backstage
and now you're talking about, you all need you come to studio,
I need you come to my shit. Not saying that he's doing it.
You moved. I can see if they told him
you, I don't want you backstage.
I understand that.
Me being a patron at an event
that I paid my money for,
y'all removed me from the event.
I think it's two totally separate issues.
We don't want your money.
I think it's separate issues.
You wanted my money and you wanted my promo
when I was doing it for y'all for you.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
But now, again, the one part is,
you could have kept doing that.
Again, they didn't strike down
none of your album covers
and none of that stuff before.
Right.
Until you became opposition.
Now that's your opposition, I got to treat you like opposition.
And historically, the WWE and formerly WWF has always operated like that.
They never allowed people to use images or copyright.
But not even just that.
I'm saying you think about the 80s and the 90s, they started swallowing up all of the
regionals and they destroyed the regional.
Because there was a time where the AWA to NWA.
They all existed.
WWE was regional.
Right.
But part of it became not regional is to say, all right, Vernan, we're going to kill the
AWA.
okay, you said what I'm saying, Jim Crockett,
we're going to kill the NWA
in Midwestern wrestling.
We're just going to swallow all the other organizations up.
Vince McMahon Jr. did it.
Yeah, and what I'm saying is,
so they don't have the mindset of peaceful coexistence.
They want to destroy you if you exist.
I mean, they're hyper-capitalists in that way.
So it's not surprising,
but it's still a little disappointing
given all that we've given to the culture.
It's nasty.
It's absolutely nasty.
By be clear, I'm not sitting there saying
what they're doing this, right?
I said, I understand it.
Just from business side, fuck that.
I don't want my competition
sitting here.
But it is very nasty.
I think on the optimist side,
you're doing enough for them to feel like
they need to squash you,
and that is kind of fired to me.
Well, I was,
I was thinking as a compliment
that the WWF is trying to
sees me as enough competition
to escort me out the room.
Right.
That's kind of fly.
It's nasty, but it's very nasty.
And salute the West Side for doing this, man.
I went to a fourth row event
that they were on the En & Mark show.
We were, you know, whatever we did.
We partnered on some stuff.
And we sat at a live event,
and it is amazing what they do.
And honestly, I don't think anybody does it
as well as they do in terms of
independent wrestling organizations because it's high quality wrestling.
It's as real as it comes in terms of the announcer, the play-by-play, the ref, the audience,
but also the way they blend hip-hop with it is some shit I've never seen before.
I think it's super fly what they do.
Fire.
I'm on both sides in this.
I'm with ICE.
No, you can't use all of our shit and put it on T-shirts and album covers and you can't do
whatever.
I agree with that.
And you can't be our direct competition now.
with fourth row and then come over here and sit,
you just can't do that.
So I agree with,
I agree with them getting them out of here.
I do.
Lord knows,
I don't put a fan out of a show for some shit didn't say it.
So I agree with that.
Where I agree with guns.
Shout the page.
Where I agree with gun is you would hope that these companies at this scale
would either be able to a hire or have somebody
that's able to recognize the people that,
are truly fans that have supported, that love this shit,
that kind of dictate culture.
And that's just on how you,
your partnerships division, right?
Because they went and got Travis Scott.
They tried the big-time partnership that fell flat on his face.
Hey, we was just talking about this with, oh, Doja Cat.
Yeah.
We were just talking about this with Doja.
Yeah, we go for the celebrity,
and these people don't really give a fuck about you or what you're doing
versus the people who love this shit since a kid
are traveling for this shit
or willing to buy that sweet.
I think that those people should be catered to
at a different clip than just the celebrity that came back.
I agree.
I agree.
That's real.
And that's what he said.
He said, yo, a lot of times,
y'all have celebrities come out here
that don't know shit about what's going on.
I'm a nigga that's really here
in the front row because I love this shit.
It's different.
This ain't a promo app for me.
I really am a fan.
Treat me like I'm different than somebody else.
I agree with that.
And I brought in so much attention and money to y'all that you can directly trace back.
Everybody ain't in the care business.
That's true.
Yeah.
Everybody don't have to care.
I come up here and make jokes all the time about how I go to the Nick game and they start putting some motherfuckers on the big screen that I swear I'm more famous than it's funny.
But they don't give a fuck.
They don't care and I shouldn't care because I know they don't care.
Like my Nick fan fear is just my Nick fan fear.
I ain't asking to be seen about it or treat it different.
differently about it. I'm here because I
chose to be here. So
everybody's not in the care business.
It's dumb people's job. It's dumb folks' job
to figure out how to take this company from
100 to 100 million.
And if that's making
the wrong decisions, right, because you're asking
people to understand culture. That's
the thing. When you say these things, you're
asking someone to understand culture.
And people don't have to.
I don't even think that's understanding
culture at that point. Like I said, you could
look at the impact. The
that those four names are named made on WW.
How can WWE do that?
WWE can do that.
Well, they've obviously looked at it at some point
because now you're getting rappers and stuff involved with shit,
which y'all wasn't able to get before.
See, that don't say...
You ain't answer this question.
Yeah, that don't say that they were able to pinpoint
how Peter Rosenberg, West Sidegun, and the other names...
Smok disZis and Waleigh.
There's a shout to Dizzen Wallet.
Like, what can they look at to see the impact?
There's not a promo code.
Right, but you can look at
what our
what we were getting
demographically
you could look at
what we were getting
before their involvement
and after
bad people always
support you can just look at that
but that's the thing
that could be circumstantial
that can be circumstantial
that can be happenstance
if you don't give Walea
a quote and shout to Wale
and Walee mania
so I'm not saying
that he did not
I'm objectively speaking
because I believe
that Walee definitely pushed it forward
but if you don't give
WALA a code to say
yo type in WALE
so that the WVE can now
track your actual analytics
to say that he had this impact
then to Joe's point, how do you track it?
But we can look at the Thursday
before Russellania like you said,
you mentioned Wally Mayer.
A lot of people just make a hub
for the people that are wrestling fans like them.
Not saying while, I'm not just like a lot of people
just create a hub.
Like, yo, it's not cool to be a wrestling fan.
So I'm going to show you that you have some,
I'm a hip-hop artist.
I'm going to show you that you have some
hidden wrestling fans out there
and I'm going to create a hub.
It's not a known fact that
you being a fan of mine
have started watching wrestling and went back
and did the research and now a wrestling fan.
We can't, it's just a hub for niggas
that were already wrestling fans.
Y'all think these companies got people up there
that are able to identify cool when they don't.
They don't.
But see, I think it's not just that.
I mean, I think that's true.
I think these companies never know cool.
We always are the indicators of cool.
But I don't want to let them off the hook either
about them not knowing.
I think sometimes they know
and they don't give a fuck.
I mean, there's a long history of rappers
making shit cool.
How many pieces of,
jewelry have we made cool? How many drinks?
Pieze of liquor have we made cool?
Brands. And then those brands tell us to fuck off.
I mean, we started with liquor.
We started with a vodka and champagne in particular.
Iceberg. What you're describing is behind door number two.
Door number one is, they don't know.
Door number two is, oh, they know.
They don't give a fuck.
Don't give a fuck. And I agree with both. I'm saying, I think door number one happened.
I'm just saying right now, I don't want to assume that they don't know the impact
that these people had on the thing. I think they may have moved to door number
two now. Like, yeah, thank you
for giving us these people. Appreciate it.
Now get the fuck out. We didn't ask you to do it, right?
What do you say to that? Like, what do you say?
If they said, we didn't ask you to do this.
You wanted to do it. We didn't ask for this.
We appreciate it. Every company's going to say. Right.
We didn't ask you to do that with Moe. We didn't ask you to do that with
Christa. And they said a lot of companies say it. But thank you.
But why are the, oh, man. And Jay was the only, but Jay was the only, but Jay
think that's the company's fault? I'm not, I'm not making it. No, I think we need to
stop doing it. Oh, okay.
I think we just sound like me and say it like it's an insult, you bitch-ass-knit.
You know, I never want to sound like you.
But sometimes there's a cross rule.
Jay was one of the only ones that's what I saw publicly that said that they didn't want me rocking this or they didn't try to.
That's my point.
And he removed himself.
He took a stance.
Like that's what people need to do.
They'll take our time.
He'll figure endorsement.
Whatever it is at that moment in time, they'll take it.
They'll use it up.
And then they'll say, thank you.
I beat it.
Iceberg sweats with I'll be on the elastic.
Yeah.
That's why it's.
they know to so many companies.
They know.
Just because y'all do it.
Yeah.
Just because, yeah.
You know, that's what I'm saying.
It ain't about metrics.
They know.
They may not have exact quantitative measurements.
Or they might.
And if they do, they ain't going to tell us.
They know.
Okay, well, relax.
Before y'all fuck up, my WWE check.
Hey, Chowdy, you here.
Shut the fuck up, nigga.
What?
I'm doing business.
What?
Can't just get up here giving your opinion on other people's business and lose your own business.
I was saying that.
You still doing WWE stuff?
You goddamn right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let us roll next time you do something.
You know, I'm a wrestling nerd.
What's the joke?
No, no, I'm not being funny.
Like, I had a joke cooking, but I didn't get there yet.
No, I really do fuck with.
I'm not.
Like, growing up.
They might have saw you, though.
Oh, with the fourth rope thing?
Oh.
Yeah, see?
I didn't even think about that.
Yeah, no, I grew up.
All I watched was wrestling.
I mean, I mean.
Shouts to them.
They took good care of me at SummerSlam.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I can't speak by how done is being in tree.
I think it's not right, but
Relax, flip.
The joke ain't on you.
You should come to the wrestling event too.
They got some on Tuesdays, right?
Oh, sure.
They do.
I can go on Friday.
I can go any day.
That's different.
I can go any day, though.
I can go to the WW events.
Madison Square going on anyway.
They welcome you open arms.
But I do want you big time company.
If you care to, if you care to, get somebody that can identify what would help your company.
True.
Because of that part.
It ain't a handout.
It's a partnership.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I'm saying identify people that's going to help in the short and long term, right?
Yeah, they could have.
You could have put, if he would have taken it.
I'm not saying that he would have taken it because that could have been his dream all along.
But you could have made gun, giving them a position at WWE.
Right.
Not to bring us full circle back to the top.
Shout down.
But a lot of times, well, 99% of the times, you're, you're no.
are a part of your stories back to what's for you is for you.
I know that y'all think it's avoid accountability and it can be.
But, hey, now go put a little more vigor into your own shit.
More time, more money.
I felt disrespect it over there.
So now I can't.
You go and even hard over here.
Now I'm going to show you.
Yeah, and he got some crazy shit cooking.
So shout out the gun, man.
Yeah, shout to God.
Yeah.
What else?
What else?
What else?
What else?
We didn't get to Summer Walker.
at all. We talked about poor minds.
Poor minds are featured in Summer Walker's
publicity skit that they just did.
Which I loved. Yeah, it was Superfire.
Shout to Lex Andrea. Summer Walker
put out her
feature list, I want to say.
Okay. It looks pretty cool.
Yeah. It looks pretty cool.
Let me pull it up.
There's going to be some shit on that.
Her C.F, Table 1, Table 2, Table 3, Table 4, Table 5.
So everyone's seated at a different table.
That's nice.
Yeah, yeah.
It's pretty.
Let me see.
Let's pull it up here.
Table two told me there's some shit on there.
Table two is the one.
Yeah, table two.
I read a table two.
I'm looking for the thing, but table two.
I read table two and was like, oh, yeah.
Table two is what we're looking for.
Here we go right here.
Table one, we have Jeremiah, Lilliotty, 1985, Gene Baptiste, John Baptist, I'm sorry, and Terris Martin.
Wow, that's nice.
It's not bad for him.
That's nice.
Table two, though.
Not a bad table right deal.
That's a good table.
Music has, that's a good table.
Okay.
Table two.
Come on, Joe.
Troy Taylor.
Brian Michael Cox.
Okay.
The Dream.
All right.
Cuck Harell.
Aunt Clemens.
That's the table.
Table two is one.
Shuttle right.
And it.
Table two.
That's the one.
Table three, we have Montel Fish, Anderson Pack, Saylor,
Gloria, sexy red.
Okay.
Table four.
We have Lotto.
Bryson Tiller, Teddy Swims, Chris Brown, 21 Savage.
Teddy Swims.
Table four is the table.
Teddy Swims is at the Rock Coral Hall-Fame show, too.
He smoked.
Carry on.
Sorry.
Table five is Mariah the scientists, Brent Fires, Nini Leaks, Nijia,
Slim Wave, and Manalo.
Monolio.
Oh, Mona Leia is the girl.
Yeah.
Oh, she's fire.
She's fire.
She's fire.
And those are your tables.
Okay.
I like that.
We got a date for that?
I stick the table.
Friday.
That's the wall.
Oh, shit.
This, this album is coming out Friday.
I might call out.
I might call out.
I know that, I know that Summer has been calling me all types of bitches and herbs.
That's cool.
Who cares?
I don't, I don't agree.
Hey, I'm here for Friday.
I'm here for Friday.
Call what you want.
Hey, if you don't know how I work by now, I use all of your time in between albums to say what I want to say.
But if you fire Album Week and the Week,
week after.
Now the peep out of the album.
The album's called finally over it.
Yeah, it's going to be nice.
Do that what you want.
It's going to be nice.
This is going to be good.
Sounds good to be.
Shit.
Chris, Dream,
Beacocks,
Aunt Clemens.
I know Tillers going to go crazy on here.
21.
Terris Martin.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is going to be nice.
Yeah.
This is going to be nice.
It's going to be wonderful.
Job back.
This is interesting.
Mm-hmm.
From a music standpoint?
Yeah.
I just think he feel like he could vibe with anything.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
I feel like he can just.
It might.
He's great.
His album that came out this year was solid.
No,
ID did like half of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll check it out.
Production on this album.
Yeah, we don't have anything else on this album.
There's no track list.
They don't need that much more.
I don't need nothing else.
What's Friday?
It's coming Friday.
All right, final.
Thoughts on numbers.
numbers, I know I shot rather high.
What did you say?
The first time I said something real high.
Three?
The first time I said you might crack three.
Then y'all brought me back down to Earth.
I definitely have her cracking two.
Me too.
And then that might be high for it, but I got a cracking two.
I got two.
I don't.
Buck 50.
I think Buck 50's Jedd.
I was going to say 125.
That's what I really was about to say.
You're not stupid.
Buck 50.
You're not stupid.
Oh, we got some music coming out Friday.
You're about to say 125.
The last one was 166.
Yeah, I'm going to go 175.
Okay.
I'm 275.
I got 185 to 200.
I hope so.
I hope she gets 500.
I'm just, yeah.
Just be realistic.
Go Summer.
We can't wait to hear this album.
She ain't failed me yet.
No, she don't.
I think both of them are over-it albums.
That's why I'm like, you name in the trilogy?
Okay, let's get it.
Let's get it, yeah.
You got Waleet dropping Friday as well.
Everything is a lot.
Finally, the album's coming out.
So, it'll be a good week for music.
That's going to be a good day.
Yeah, that's a good day.
while you should be on summer shit
yeah
while lane
yeah
that's a
I was just in a strip club
with while late the other day
Wale came
came pay me a visit
and starlies
he's funny
yeah stupid me
when I talk to you rappers
and y'all say I'll meet you
at the strip club
I think y'all moving like me
like us
us too
like the two of us
oh no no no
no no
you the whole squad
him and 20 motherfuckers
coming
all right Waleh y'allet y'all
I'm ahead on
out of you.
I ain't home.
What was that?
You home.
Away game.
Oh yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Away game.
That's true.
Yeah, yeah.
Go Waale.
So Waile drives.
Who else?
Somebody else.
That's all I matter.
Yeah.
That's all I'm looking for.
Walee, man, buy yourself out of death gym, man.
Buy yourself out of there.
I ain't going to hold you.
When a day, nobody's going to say it because we love you.
Buy yourself.
I do the clip.
Pull a clips move.
You're making good music.
You're still wanting to do.
best rappers in the world.
You have a prime.
Don't just throw it all the way on Def Jam.
What has DeF Jam done to let people know that Waleigh is coming out?
I know Waleh is coming out because Walee keep doing shit.
Def Jam, yeah.
Def Jam got to feel sick seeing the clips just like that.
All these Grammy Noms and that was such a Def Jam album they put out.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
Jesus.
Imagine based on what they did and if y'all would have gave them what
ever push.
The crazy thing is they wouldn't
have did this on Def Jam.
Say more.
Same album drops.
It don't even get
receipt.
Really?
I keep telling y'all,
a lot of that came from the clips
moving and getting themselves
where they needed to be
getting a reception for that album.
Why wouldn't they did that on Def Jam?
Who have they done it for?
They don't do it.
Rock Nation.
No, it's just asking why when they ground for themselves
probably has more pooled today
than Def Jam has.
What I'm saying is this.
The clips used
their own personal, organic relationships.
Not all of them.
No, that's not true.
No, that's not all of them.
That's a myth.
That's not true.
Whatever happened that people loved
was a combination of
Farrell Clips, Rock Nation.
It was all of them.
And if you take out Rock Nation and put Def Jam
It's not going to be the same.
It's not going to be the same.
Unfortunately, Def Jam used to be
my Def Jam, the best label of the world.
Best label.
What do you think, what do you think
attributes to that, Joe?
Huh?
What do you think?
contributes to that and not being the same.
They're not spending a lot more money.
It's a storefront.
They're not as respected.
They're being handled like a storefront.
It's a storefront.
Pretty much.
It's a storefront.
Pretty much.
That's all it is.
It's there and name.
It's a big chain versus a boutique.
The bigger company, the parent company,
is not putting money into Def Jam.
Why would it?
Pull the money away from it.
And take the money out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who on Def Jam killing?
Think about it like this.
Who on Def Jam?
Justin. Justin Bieber is.
True.
Yeah, he's killing.
I mean, Justin Bieber's definitely killed.
He is killing.
Is he the only one left?
Is that killing?
That's, and that's my point.
Is that, is he killing?
What just, is Justin Bieber?
We didn't even know he was dropping.
To be Justin Bieber.
I mean, he put number one twice and got a Grammy nomination.
Yo, you can, in the right week, you can hit 60 and go number one.
Dog, he put two out.
I'm just saying, saying he went number, I'm, in the right week,
if nothing else is moving right now, this, Justin ain't did what Justin does.
Justin ain't been that.
Justin in a while.
And the music is good.
So you've got an A-level artist
whose music is good.
If the visibility ain't what it's supposed to be,
most times you're putting that on the label.
And the A-level artist has two albums
that you're going to put out within months of each other.
Shouldn't we be seeing more, Justin?
Yeah.
He did 163 his first week for the first.
They don't have numbers for the second one.
Yeah, that's what I was looking for.
Even that says a lot.
Yeah, fair enough.
Good album, no.
It is a good album, yeah.
Good album.
I don't know if I ever went back to the deluxe.
It was good and it sounded better.
Well, shit, Delo.
Before that, it did 154, so he actually got better from the 2021 drop.
It's over for Def Jig.
I've been telling you all forever.
And I got people over there.
I'm sorry, but that's where I, that's where I've always stood.
It's super quiet, yeah.
Have you all been following this, I don't know if I call it beef?
It seemed a little bit like a beef with Michelle.
of Beatle and Stephen A. Smith?
No.
No.
Carrie Champion is a third piece of it.
Carrie Champion weighed in on the beef between Michelle and Steve.
So Michelle used to be at ESPN.
Right.
And she left ESPN, not by her own choice.
She has a new podcast.
And on her podcast, she starts going in on Stephen A. Smith.
I think we might have...
Do we have her clip?
Her clip is in Stephen's clip.
Okay.
And so then Stephen responds to her.
He normally don't respond to stuff, but he decided it was time to respond to this woman.
But Kerry Champion, Judge.
They had bad blood from him?
So that's just it.
Stephen says, no.
He says, I barely knew this woman.
I've said nothing but hello and goodbye to her.
She says, when I worked at ESPN, I wouldn't be in the same room as him.
I wouldn't be in the same studio as him because I don't respect him.
And she started going in.
He works hard because they don't work him too hard.
He wants to do all this stuff.
She kind of talked to him almost like a narcissist.
You said this is her new podcast?
What's wrong with that, though?
It's a great question.
I didn't quite get it from how she said it either.
Coming at me.
And one of those people was a lady by the name of Michelle Beatle.
Let's get into it, Steve.
You can hear in his voice.
She took to going on the attack.
I'm playing this whole shit too.
The latest attack against me, she's been coming at me for over a decade.
Okay.
And if you've noticed, I've never once responded.
Okay.
Not one time.
In over 11 years, I have not responded.
Even in my book,
A memoir, a second chance, and first taste,
a New York Times best sell by the way.
I'll make sure to give it you.
And congrats.
Even in the book, I didn't mention her name.
But for some reason, which is why my man Jubey calls it Santa Claus.
They keep mentioning my name.
Let me let you hear.
Here we go.
What this woman had to say about me.
I'm appalled this.
I love when people do that when I'm playing a clip.
Like, we should be more well-researched.
I love when people.
Hey, what he told me?
I'm going to show you what you said.
Hey, thank you.
That's a messy shit.
Her latest rant.
Take a listen.
The guy is making money off of,
ESPN pays him a gazillion dollars.
To not work there full time.
get a lot of stuff wrong and yell, right?
And then he gets caught playing solitaire during the NBA freaking fuck.
The thing that he claims to be a fucking genius in.
And so instead of like, yeah, he doubles down and he does this.
If I'm ESPN.
They tag team with the hate to.
And I get it.
You created this monster.
He is bigger than you now.
And that's exactly your fault.
Good job.
Only you let him run rampant all over that company and put his face on every,
for everybody who's like,
he works so hard, I'm going to let you in on a little
behind the scene. What's T? He
wants to do that. Nobody's
asking him. He's desperate to do. He shows up.
I told everyone I worked with,
I will never share a set with that
person, ever, because
I don't respect him. That's a plus.
And life's too short. So,
that being said, I'm like, he's
made you look like fools for handing
him a blank check in the first place, because
he doesn't even give a shit about the stuff that he's
paid a gazillion dollars to talk about.
And now he's turning around and turning that into a
money making opportunity.
And the money making opportunity
turns out it looks like it's a fraudulent
crap business to begin with.
Honestly, I'm not a religious person,
but I pray for the downfall.
It's going to be amazing.
It's going to be amazing.
A couple of things.
Here we go.
Should I pause it and hear from you?
Let me pause and hear from my distinguished panel.
It sounds like a bunch of hate.
He has a bunch of hate.
That's it.
So.
All right.
So?
I'm not the guy to ever say to
anybody, I pray for somebody's downfall.
Yeah, it sounds great. I think it's tacky.
I think it's whack.
You say, yo, they don't
force him to work that hard. He's just
working at hard because he wants to do that.
That's a plus. It still does not negate the fact
that he's working hard.
And if I'm working hard
and you didn't make me
work hard, that's his reward.
It's a gazillion dollars that they talk about.
You know what it sounds like? It's not like they're mad
because he works so hard as making them look bad.
Right. Yeah, it does sound.
You know what I'm mad at that.
He worked hard, earned his money, and I was making me look away.
I didn't take that part that way.
That's what I took.
And I'm not mad at nobody for taking it.
This is open to her interpretation.
I took the, they're not asking him to work.
He's working.
He's trying to get on every show on his own.
I took that to correlate to her.
Now he's bigger than ESPN point and you have a problem with that.
I took it as her saying,
And y'all are the ones.
Yeah, y'all are the ones that let him get this off right up under your noses
and now look at where you stand.
Look at where y'all stand today versus where he stands today.
He's bigger than y'all.
Which means that I voluntarily, even if it does, I voluntarily created my value.
Even if I went on this show for free and this show for free and this show for free and this show for free
and I kicked ass on those shows, I created my own value.
And worked hard.
Yeah.
I took my fate into my.
my own hands and created my own value
to the point where I became a valuable
asset that people wanted to see.
If he went on these shows voluntarily
and didn't do shit,
you're not creating value.
Listen, uh, you don't want to hear
what he had to say? Absolutely.
Just a little more context?
I don't think he says it in a clip.
No, he might actually. I don't want to ruin it.
Go ahead.
Being next to her.
I don't know you
from a can of paper.
I think his name is Cody Dexterity.
I heard you used to play in minor leagues
like eight years.
I feel Steve here because home boy was too loud.
He was doing too much on the side for somebody I never met.
Yo, hold up.
And I want you to know that anything that I say.
He wasn't?
He wasn't.
He was on way to show.
He was finished and said this is co-signing.
In a second has absolutely.
I disagree.
That happens in podcasting too much, I feel like.
What?
If I got beef with somebody on a
other podcasts because we went through something or we had an experience or we had a fallout
or we was out somewhere you let me get jumped whatever the case may be it's ours right
that don't give you a co-host that I've never met full right to feel how you feel
and jump on the mic with this same type of now in podcasting that happens a lot but I think that's
corny like Michelle Beatle should be able to say what she's saying to Steve he should be able to say
what she's saying back without
a minor league dude jumping in
so aggressive.
I agree.
Me personally, I think they're selling a pod.
This goes back to the Kanye thing.
I think you get loud.
You get boisterous.
You hope that the Joe Button podcast
and every other medium
picks it up and talks about it.
So now I'm going to get some eyes on my shit.
That's why I asked the question.
I got your question.
I was like, is this a new pod?
That's where I was going.
This day new pod.
I'm going.
I'm going.
I'm going to shoot at the big dog.
The only reason why I disagree with that a little bit is because he said she's been doing this for 11 years.
True.
But now I'm on a new podcast.
Yeah, but if you've been constantly shooting at me for, now, if this was right out the blue and you just start shooting, I get it.
Aim high and hope that that person say something to you, put light on you, I got it.
There's another piece of this.
It's not just that they have a new podcast, is that she had a radio show in a slot on Sirius that just got pushed out.
And it's been replaced by a new show.
Well, Stephen A. Smith.
Oh, so she's tight.
So, hey, dude, that's not coincidental.
And it's like, anytime I go up somewhere, here you go,
yeah, hardworking ass balls, you coming here.
I wish you nothing but the best.
I hope your success continues to grow.
That's right.
And you make the most of the career that you're trying to have.
You know, you don't make too much money.
You did short film.
That's all the best of you, bro.
I don't know you.
Don't know you.
My comments are strictly directed at this.
woman, this lady, who I will remind y'all I have not said a word about in over 11 years.
I've never spoken about her. Do y'all know why?
Let's get it. I don't know her.
You would think there's some beef that's been going on and has been, it has been pervasive
throughout the industry for years. It's all because of her.
Y'all believe you don't know her? No. I have never said more than hello or goodbye to her.
the initial stages and we was at one event for ESPN in 2013 or whatever it was where we might have spoken for a minute or two.
I don't know this woman at all.
So when you hear her talking about me, please understand.
I don't know her.
All right, all right.
I have no way.
All right, Steve.
We got it.
That kills people.
Let me get to.
I don't even know.
Who are you?
I got to get the other clip.
This is, uh, black matters here.
Here we go.
That Michelle Beatles shit wasn't under my business,
but now we got Carrie Champion action.
Hold up.
Champion is a person.
Let me get to somebody I do know.
Ooh, do it, Steve.
At least I thought I knew.
This guy's a pro.
And that's Miss Kerry champion.
Shout out to Carrie Champion.
Love you, Carrie.
Love you, Carrie.
Carrie Champion is a person
that used to host first tape.
Huge.
He used to work at the ESM.
Oh.
Used to do Sports Nation, stuff like that.
Did it pretty damn...
If you listen to out there, you don't know what Kerry Champion said.
And...
You're going to tell us.
I have to tell you, I was taking the back, and I think the word shocked.
A back.
He was a back.
I was a back.
When it came to this Michelle Beetle, Bruhaha.
Brouhaha.
Say this about this.
I love this dude.
Please play cut number seven.
Here we go.
Stephen A.
I played that Michelle Beatle clip for one reason and one reason only.
I'm old enough to remember being on that show
and getting in trouble based on some comments you said about women
and whether or not they should know their place when it comes to abuse or non-abuse.
Ray Rice comes to mind.
Not going to get into the details of all of that.
No joke.
But Beatle just came for you yet again, like she did when I worked at ESPN.
I wonder, do you have that same smoke for her?
That you have for Jasmine Crockett, that you have for Michelle Obama,
that you sometimes display for me and Jamel Hill.
Do you have that same smoke?
I'm sick of it.
Keep the same energy.
And I call you and I root for you and I say, hey, I got your back.
I'm happy for you.
Do you keep that same energy, sir?
For everybody.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You just said, Carrie, you called me.
You root for me.
Why would you root for somebody that called you out in Jamel Hill?
Who's your good friend?
Because it's never happened.
Never.
Enough, because that clip is eight minutes.
Distinguished panel.
Distinguished panel.
I don't have enough information.
I don't know if he's ever called them out.
I've never heard him call them out,
but Carrie don't usually sell a wolf ticket.
So I, there's something.
There's some information that's missing there.
I don't know.
It feels a little bit like some inside.
Look at your man, boy.
He got a relation with somebody, boy.
You can tell when he got his panty line of it.
His cape is flapping, too.
You can tell when he got the big tampon it.
Oh, my shit.
Super.
Yeah, supermax.
Supermax.
Supermax.
The diaper one.
Yeah.
No.
Go ahead.
We don't know anything.
All we can do.
I'm not asking you off on based on people.
Yeah.
I'm no, it sounds like just some behind the scenes shit that we don't know is all I'm saying.
Because it's not adding up to me.
And I know, they're cool.
I always hear Jamel shout out Stephen A and say supportive things and vice versa.
I'm saying to what I'm actually shocked to hear that part.
That's all I'm saying.
I don't know.
It feels like some behind the scenes.
Who are the first two people she named?
Before she said herself and Jamel Hill.
She said Michelle Obama and Jesse.
Jasmine Crawford.
Jasmine Crawford.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It's black woman power.
I get it.
Yeah, and I'm not mad.
I understand it.
I understand it.
Like, yo, I want you to have the same exact vitriol and vigor that you have for this white lady that you have for the blacks.
Well, that's where it's not black woman with power to me.
That's where it's not that to me.
Crockett.
Jasmine Cromford.
That's what I'm saying.
I said Crawford.
I just said her name.
Crocket.
I thought I heard Crockett.
Are black women matters we can discuss not off the back of whatever this white lady is saying.
No, that's what you have to.
to discuss it off the back up.
She's saying, yo, this white lady took a shot at you.
Before, and you tried to act like you don't know her.
Cool. Now I want you to be as venomous for this white lady
the same exact way you have been for the black ladies.
That's what she's saying.
I got it.
So don't come up here and be soft and whisper for the white lady when you be at the top
of your fucking tone for the black lady.
I understand that.
And I agree.
I agree with that much as well.
Some niggies just like milk.
I don't know if I
I want to agree
I want to agree. I want to agree
I want to agree with you. I just don't know
if I hire somebody
and we just talked on the phone
like she said we talk
you support me. We kick it.
The relationship is not like
he's explaining with Michelle Beatle.
No. She's not saying her.
Oh, okay. No, I get that part of what you're saying.
I'm now talking
about his POV, which he continued.
We just spoke on the phone.
We speak.
You support me.
I support you.
If you felt this way, why not say it to me on the phone?
On the phone.
I agree with that.
Why is the first time I'm hearing about this from somebody I consider someone of a
friend on the internet?
That's the way I'm saying.
I want to agree with you.
No, no, no.
I'm with them there.
The two things are true.
Yeah.
Dog, have you going to pull me up?
up in public and I just spoke to you,
you my man, why the fuck you ain't
when I spoke to you on the phone?
Exactly. But what she's saying
could still be
true. She shouldn't have said it on social media. She shouldn't have said it on
social media. Yes, I agree. So I looked
up to just to see what he might have said
about Jamel Hill, because I'm trying to find
her first. Back in
2017, Jamel Hill tweeted a couple things about Trump.
Yeah, that's what got her fired or released. Call it on the white
supremac and stuff. And he
basically said, we're a sports network. We speak
for ourselves, but we don't speak on behalf of the brand.
When you attack the president, you're stepping out of our lane.
So he kind of sided
with the company
over her.
Joe, who's surprised to hear?
I'm saying who's surprised to hear that Stephen A. is a company man.
But he could have said nothing. He could have said nothing.
Which is his point to
check carry, unless ESPN told him to say something.
That's not what a company man is, though.
Good point.
Saying nothing. I'm just trying to see where the smoke was
in that. Like, I don't.
No, I remember all of that when Trump ran and Jamel and Michael and ESPN had a slew of very intelligent black people that were on air using their platforms to say, yo, doll.
And I remember ESPN had a big problem with, if nobody ever said nothing, you could tell by what they did with each personality that they had a problem.
Why just said she got released?
Yeah, I mean, she was, that was, like, they were anchoring sports center at that time.
Yeah. And then they weren't. You know, I don't know if she was technically fired, but certainly that was the ESPN made it very clear. And Jabel's made it clear since then, you know, that that was the last thing when she tweeted that Donald Trump was a white supremacist, which at the time was still seen out of bounds. I don't think if you tweet that in 2022 or 24, I think she was ahead of the curve. I think she was right.
If you tweeted now, you still live and lose your job depending on where you work at.
At ESPN, yes. That's a thousand a hundred which. But the global outrage was even more in 2017 because a lot of stuff had not happened yet.
to put him up.
And just, we've become way more free as a society in critiquing the president of the United
States.
And because he's kind of come down to civilian level.
You know what I'm saying?
Like he a jerk so we could call him a jerk.
Whereas other presidents, even if you didn't agree with him, they still had this level
of dignity in class.
George Bush, people didn't like him.
But he was still a likable guy because he maintained a certain level of decorum.
This motherfucker right here.
like he's from the slums.
But it's also who the ESPN.
Asbury Park.
That is.
The ESPN audience is a different audience too
because a lot of times we think about
who we watch ESPN with.
But most of the country that watch is ESPN,
it's the people that's watching NASCAR.
It's the people that's watching.
White House.
Yeah.
And that ain't what they want to hear.
That ain't what they want to hear.
Half the country is pissed off
that they even anchor in sports center
to true black people at the same time.
They didn't like the Stuart Scott.
Was it dropping a rap lyric.
You know what I mean?
Rest and peace.
Rest and peace is the great Stuart Scott.
But when you're just.
talk about, like, now you're talking about my president, half the country voted for this
motherfucker at the time. And now more than half. So, like, yeah, no, that was, yeah. Really good
point. His Pina's thinking about the money. Really good point.
Well, there you have it. There you have it. That's a great point.
Shout to Kerry. Yeah, for sure.
Show to Jamal. Show to Steve and I. Shout to Steve. Steve came up in front of the show.
What I will say is Steve is on. Now, now, not yet.
Now yet. Speaking of Trump, though, just for a hot second, y'all see the commander's game
when he got booed?
No, I missed it,
unfortunately.
Oh, you got to see it.
It's worth it.
Because it's not like a little boo.
Because when presidents get booed sometimes,
you know, I've seen people
policies get booed.
This was so bad, even Fox News was like,
oh.
It was a big boo?
It appears that they're booing the president.
Well, it didn't help that he was announcing
that he wanted to have the stadium named after him.
Yeah.
I think that's actually what prompted the booze.
Deservably so.
Yeah.
This thing is just.
Like, you're supposed to like,
people are supposed to want to name.
some shit after you. You're not supposed to like demand
that they name some shit. You don't
come name this block after me. My shit.
Yo, that is crazy
dog. You don't give a fuck.
Look, look,
narcissistic nandy over here.
I also don't think it'll happen.
It's not going to happen. Not unless I'm the commanders.
Clearly they need help with names.
This is true. They were the Washington
football team for a year. Which was
a better name than the commanders?
Better name than the Trump's.
Yo, we're going to be the FedEx Phil. And we're going to name
it the Trump.
Phil?
Well, you're out of commanders.
I'm the commander's, and I ain't never leaving.
It's your favorite parts of Manhattan and got Trump written
all over. Shut up.
Not mine.
You've been to Trump International.
Ask for you.
Trump towers?
You were.
Oh, yeah.
That's where he didn't want to live what it's setting up.
Trump Tower.
He want to live in Trump Tower.
You ain't ever stayed there?
Come on.
Never?
Trump Tower?
Yeah.
Trump International.
You've been to Trump Tower.
I've been to Trump Tower once.
With Candid's Owens, actually.
That's sounded crazy.
That's a great.
Big mom
Big mom
Down, baby
Go down, baby
Go did another
That's
That's a little
Charleston chew
Oh shit
Oh, shit
No, transgender
I thought
I thought it's in that
I'm not to say
But
Come on
What?
The whole shit out
Nope
No
No, no
Just that word
But
But no
I meant
When I did that interview with Candace, we did it in Trump.
In a suite in Trump.
Was it nice in this?
Is it nice?
Presidential suite?
You did it in Trump and it was sweet is what you said?
It was great.
Mark Levont Hill and Candice Holland did it in Trump and it was sweet.
There were no beds in this room.
Oh, got you.
I don't want to big up.
I'm not going to, well, I don't want to big up Trump.
But there were some pictures floating around of the redesign he did.
to the bathroom.
Yeah.
And they showed the old bathroom and the new bathroom.
Yeah, yeah.
That one he won't.
His bathroom's better.
The architect did it?
His bathroom's better.
All beautiful white marble everywhere.
This show was like some old 50s dark deco like dolphins colors.
Yeah.
It was like 1950s turquoise.
It was nasty.
Hey, we got to be doing that old office.
I might not pay the architect though.
That's his track record, but it's cool.
I'm just talking about the redesign.
I'm not being more.
Wait.
I'm not leaving.
I'm trying.
Is he giving it?
I'm getting comfy?
Yes.
That's why I'm doing all this shit.
Is he giving all us two grand?
It's for the non-rich.
He said, who is us?
It said the non-rich.
Did it say that?
I think the rest of us might be good.
We're good.
You not.
Everybody, but you were here.
Yeah, is he giving all of us two grand?
I thought we was back.
Oh, man.
Hey no, wait, what you said?
No, I said all of us, but you are getting it.
Yeah, you don't get it.
Yo, I'm like a great O-line, boy.
You get into two grand?
Hide behind me.
You protect, niggas.
You hide behind me, y'all.
Hey, they're right, all this.
Take all the shots, nigger.
It's just dumb.
Take all the shots.
Getting two grand.
Did you get the two grand?
I don't know what the requirement of charge.
You know what's a good thing.
I assume.
Well, you ain't know last time, and you still put that little.
I never got two grand from the government.
He'll snatch that shit right on up for my son.
You know what?
I gotta got that two grand.
What you do?
I never got two grand.
I gave my two grand.
You are you getting the two grand?
Yeah, you get my man.
Let me get a hundred dollars.
Yo, where are the Trump tax breaks?
Good question.
Is that a bad thing to ask on a black podcast?
No.
I ain't vote for him.
But you're acting like it, nigga.
Don't get Mark started.
Don't get Mark started.
But what?
Listen, but you thought.
But what you thought?
But what you all did, I mean, I did.
Since we hear, it should have started to benefit a little bit.
No, do.
Yo.
Oh, man.
I ain't seen a break the first.
It wasn't for you.
Yes, they was.
For his people.
No, they was for him.
I mean, I thought it was going to be a little.
He in that bracket?
I don't know if he's in that bracket.
I'm talking about the other shit.
Joe's in that bracket.
You crazy?
I'm talking about that other.
I ain't seen nothing happen.
It's all that.
Maybe Parks might be right.
I ain't seen nothing shaking.
It's going up.
back from the other rob, nigga.
I mean, you married. You made more.
You made a lot more, that's all. Yeah, you ain't playing for
the, what you said? The set back. Yeah, the fall off.
And you ain't prepared for the upgrade.
Just, I ain't,
I ain't preparing for no fall off. I'll get rid of one of y'all
before this go down. We know.
Yeah.
What we do? You already.
Oh, you didn't know?
All right, we got, uh, Travis Scott.
Fuck.
What?
What's up?
Yeah, you're all having man fun.
You're all laughing at my expense?
What's your saying?
Nah, I'm down with you, nigga.
We're down with you, man.
He's down with you, but I'm down with you too.
Nah, I don't get your power.
Dad me up.
Nah, I guess...
Don't fall for the fan-made narratives.
Give me half, give me half for.
Go off for the Joe May narrative.
Oh, shit.
Don't for the fan-made narrative.
I can't give him half because I'm not getting half.
So I get my man, man, man.
What's your fool, boy?
Talk that thing.
You gotta work smarter, not harder.
That's it.
There you go.
They really gas you that excuse.
Look, you're working,
look, son, you're working hard.
You're working smarter.
Don't listen to what they're telling you.
Hey, I'm on.
You're getting twice.
Mark.
It is a pot of gold at the end to that rainbow.
Hey, y'all too.
There's a corporate,
believes the narrative.
Hold on.
There's corporate men and there's a corporate man,
nigger.
Watch your fucking mouth, nigga.
You hear me?
I don't.
I don't understand.
This, you guys work with,
you've been working with niggas for you?
whole life, nigga.
I've been self-employed to...
I've been self-employed for shit on my own, nigga.
Hey, y'all, I keep working for
niggas this whole life, too.
I've been self-employed for 21 years.
When you were talking about your T-Mobile channel?
I said, that's on two watches
in the whole, and a B&W.
My wife pushed me out to this day.
I thought it was a Cadillard.
I had the X3, too.
She said, you didn't even get the X-5.
You were a bump.
My wife, she cursed me out the other day.
Why are you bringing up that stupid shit?
And we had a argument.
about, remember back of the days, I used to use
the food stamps or whatever the fuck she used to get
to buy the, uh, what's the
new, what's that fucking
drink?
What of the natural drinks, nigga? She said, you'll buy
all that shit.
Naked? The naked.
Ooh, I bought like 30, nigga.
She's like, you take half the money
for the kids. I didn't give a fuck. I was
ignorant. It was a stretch where I
was using the strawberry banana
naked to chase a cigarette.
Yeah.
It didn't work?
No, you're anything in the chase.
I'm just saying, listen to that level of...
That sounds...
Yeah.
I'm glad you got out of that, dog.
That's nasty.
That's a nasty boy.
I don't care of it.
You drink naked, boy?
I don't go to fucking judging me, niggins.
Have you drank naked?
I wanted to.
Yeah, I know.
They're filled with sugar, though.
They're like 50 grams and 60 grams of sugar.
Oh, yeah, a story came out about neckers.
Yeah, they heard.
People here are natural.
At the time, I didn't think that.
I was drinking them, too.
Yeah.
I'll take one down to pitch, though, still.
I don't care.
Still?
Still?
Oh.
In a pinch.
I heard that about it.
Listen, man.
You have to kill her.
Naked.
Travis Scott said
Fuck pushy T.
Y'all care?
No.
Kanye popped back out with him.
I wasn't glad he said it, though.
You saw that, right?
What?
Kanye popped back out with him.
No.
Yeah.
Well, um.
With Travis.
Travis.
Oh.
I don't care about that.
I'm just saying it's all happened at the same time.
Same shot.
Yeah.
Oh.
Oh.
Kanye and another nigga
they need to just go to bed, go to sleep.
I thought about Kanye and a rabbi.
You talked about that, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, on Friday.
Smoke it, smooth topic.
Ooh, I support that.
I'm down with that.
I'm going to go back and watch it.
Shalom.
There you go.
To give you my view.
Thank you.
What's up?
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.
All right, so y'all don't care of that trail.
Scott said fuck.
You said you glad he said it?
You said you glad he said it?
I'm glad he said it.
I like the niggas that can't rap for
real, their discs being, yo, fuck this
nigga.
I like that.
Because he should be able to have
some type of defense for somebody
without getting in the booth.
Yeah, and he ain't going to do that.
So get on stage and say,
yeah, fuck that nigga.
I ain't gonna lock.
When I put all of Drake Dishes out
and he was on tour,
and every city that nigga was like,
yeah, pom-pun.
Fuck that,
yeah.
You remember that little song?
Had that little slap.
Man, fuck that.
That shit is funny sometimes when a nigger say,
fuck that, nigga.
You're the big dog?
Yeah.
The funny shit was him trying to invite you to the shoulder to.
Right, right.
You're trying to do.
Yo, that was funny.
No, the funnish was my oldest son saying,
hey, we're going to need them tickets from drinks.
Nigger, we are in all out of war.
The kids don't care about that shit.
No.
The kids decide with who's hotter.
Fuck how they got on her.
Let's see, let's see, let's see
Do y'all care about
Oh wait, the government shutdown's almost over
Come on, we have to applause
No
See, a nigga that's just out of touch
A bitch that's just out of touch
Oh, shit
All right
Yo, my bad
My bad
You can be shut down, you don't give a fuck
I'm going to look at a lot.
I do care.
I'm building a house.
You know what I'm saying?
Wait, no.
Tell me what happened.
The Democrats came down all the shit.
Basically, the reason they were holding out is the reason.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
The Affordable Care Act.
Basically, all they got basically was an agreement for a vote as opposed to actual
funding or subsidies for it.
So basically.
Oh, take my clap, my applause.
I'll put it in reverse.
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
They held out for a long time.
basically nothing.
Bidges.
They got to learn from the MTA.
They got to.
You were.
They got to learn.
Strike properly.
And no, and that's the knock on him.
Yeah.
That's the knock.
The Democrats is bitches.
And it's a valid note.
There are much of bitches.
It's a super valid.
Yeah.
And niggas
went through Thanksgiving
with no motherfucking bread
and been blaming Trump for it.
They might have got some more.
Is the airport
going to be working again?
A great episode we had today.
This is a first night.
Let me just ask you.
I'm going to be home.
I'm not flying.
I'm just saying.
Is it?
Yes, nigger.
Yeah.
They back.
This niggas.
Hi behind me, y'all.
You?
High behind me,
that's you guys.
That's only you.
That's you.
They got private jet money.
I'm about that.
I'm about to say you're going to Tito.
What airport?
Yeah.
The private jets are in a pickle, too.
It's the air traffic.
We think private jet?
You guys bleed too, huh?
Joe.
You was on a private jet too.
Yours.
That wasn't mine.
That was yours.
It wasn't mine.
That shit was smaller.
My small shit.
Oh, that shit was like peanuts.
I was like Snoopy in that piece.
I was surprised I made it.
What's up?
Yeah.
I was scared of shit.
I was like, what?
I was fucking private shit.
I was surprised there.
The niggas is.
You know, where's what stop in this bitch?
Oh.
Oh, that is a joke.
Funny.
All the hell for the snoopy jokes.
Air traffic controller.
All right, so we should have been rooting for the government shutdown to continue
because it would have been the dim standing strong in the negotiation.
In my opinion.
Yes.
Got it.
That's what most people are saying.
That ain't how the Fox News explained it to me.
Yeah.
I bet.
I bet.
They didn't say that at all at all.
See, how you see his news channel, right?
Yo, why you're on Fox, though?
Huh?
Because you ever watch.
all right
guilty pleasure
I like Fox
I like Fox News
is news
in the morning
In the morning
Local or
Local news
Oh that's different
Oh you mean Fox 5
Fox 5
Fox 5
Boy I thought you said
Fox News
Yeah it's a different thing
That's totally
It's a lot
See it's funny
It's a lot
The joke was funny
of Fox News
The 530
And 5 30
We got it
We got it
We got it
And then
Mike what up to
And Diana
Diana
That's different
Oh shit
Oh shit
Wait on
Fox 5.
I think you got a crush on Mike Woods, too, yo.
Yo, come on.
Why he's talking about Mike Woods?
On Mike's Wood.
No way.
I can't get any further.
On the Fox News I'm talking about the other day.
Damn, I wish I remembered the guy's name.
But the news anchor, he used to do the football shit, too.
But he's on Fox News.
On Fox 5.
On Fox 5.
Sorry about that.
And they were talking to Eric Adams.
Oh, that was great.
Oh, so you saw it.
Virally, yes.
No, that shit, right, it was great.
Oh, it was great.
Did you all watch the Z-Way?
The spicy back, oh, I watched every minute of it.
That shit was great.
Z-Way, Eric Adams was must-see TV.
That was good.
See, the people I want to be content creators,
Eric Adams needs to be a content creator.
Yeah.
See, he's funny without trying.
He doesn't realize he's funny.
I don't know if, yeah, I think that's fun.
I don't know how he didn't realize the joke in that.
Or maybe he did.
A couple times he did, a couple times he didn't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sometimes he was like, I know you're fucking with it,
but I don't get it, but I know you fucking with me.
I'm going.
Gary Killset?
I think he was a good sport about it.
He was a good sport.
He was good sport.
He was like, you think I'm hitting on you?
Right.
He's interacting with you.
Eric Adams is funny.
I'm interacting with you.
Eric Adams is funny, man.
Then when he did the replay all the shit,
he was saying that was it?
Yes.
That's that old nigga smooth shit.
When I get out to shower with my six back ass.
Yeah.
What?
Who says that interview?
He's stuck in your baggage.
That old nigga smooth.
This comes right up to the popping bar on Saturday night.
Pass me that water.
Right, sweetheart.
Pass that orange pill.
Pass me that.
Passed that orange pill right here.
I'm sure I can do with it.
Get what he?
Give it a money?
Get yourself something, too.
That nigga like,
pop-aig when it comes
with the orange field.
I love that nigga, son.
You know that outside of shit
be dirty.
You don't give a fuck?
Holy shit for your system.
Oh, man.
You want you sleepers?
I want to honor
one of our black grapes that we lost.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Lenny Wilkins.
Oh, the great lady.
Wilkins.
Yeah.
That's what I want.
I don't want to get the sleepers.
You ain't got one of your cool little fucking autobiographies ready now, huh?
Lenny Wilkins is one of the greatest players of all time.
Top 75.
Yes, he was named to the top.
Yeah, see, fix your face.
He was named to the top NBA's greatest 50 and greatest 75 list.
One of the greatest point guards of all time drafted by the Seattle Supersonics,
made his bones there before becoming an elite NBA coach for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
He's one of the, I think he's third all-time winning his coach in NBA history.
And at one point...
I didn't know Lenny Wilkins was on the top 75.
Yeah, that's not a player list.
I didn't know that.
He retired is one of probably the top eight point guards in NBA history.
And over time, obviously, he is more weak, drafted him with points.
But he was an elite NBA point guard, an incredible playmaker, one of the greatest
passers we've ever seen, I think.
Winning his coach for a lot of y'all lives out there.
For sure.
What he won in Atlanta?
I mean, he was a special coach and one special player.
He's probably the best play.
I'm trying to think of.
Play a coach.
In terms of being great on both ends.
I mean, you can say Bill Russell, but in Labbard, too.
But in terms of longevity, there's nobody who's been that elite as a coach
and that elite as a player in NBA history.
Don't say great on both ends while doing this again.
Yo.
Just don't do that.
I'm uncomfortable.
I thought during it in Memorial, we could cause the balls.
We would be mature.
No.
But the greatest coach of all time, one of the greatest coaches of all time, rather.
Yeah, but Lenny Wilkins was a legend on both ends.
I hear it.
And, you know, I remember one of my favorite moments with Lenny Wilkins was,
not personally, just watching him.
I would have closed line, Mark, if Mark had a Lenny Wilkins story.
He got one.
He already got you.
You got your little jokey jokes.
The thing that took the ball in Halldance like Sequodew.
You know, you never.
Like, since we do it, this bitch.
I remember my last time I was with Lenny.
You know what I said?
We sat down over a piece of salmon.
I did know Lenny Wilkins.
I have had conversations with Lenny Wilkins,
but that wasn't the story I was about to tell.
What I appreciated was when in LeBron's rookie year,
when he was playing against,
or Lenny Wilkins was coaching against LeBron,
they asked him, they asked Lenny Wilkins,
what's it like to, you know,
to coach against LeBron James?
And he said,
I'm one of the winningest coaches in NBA history.
I'm a top 50 player of all time.
Perhaps you should ask him what it's like to, you know,
to play against me.
And he wasn't saying it with arrogance.
He was saying it like...
With arrogance.
Fuck you're talking about.
You're some respect for my name.
I'm saying it a little more cocky.
He said it.
He was more saying it like...
Put some respect on my name.
Yes, exactly.
Because some people don't even remember
that he was a player,
much less that he was one of the greatest of all time.
You know what I'm saying?
So there's a way that we don't give Lenny Wilkins
to credit.
We talk about the Phil Jackson's,
we talk about all these people,
but nobody has won as much as Lenny Wilkins
in the type of situations that he was put in.
That's the other thing, to me,
with Lenny Wilkins.
He wasn't giving him.
even five superstars or three,
three Hall of Famers
or two All-Stars
and told win the championship.
He made teams better
and he was a great coach.
Who was going to his team,
that team?
That Hawks team?
Kevin Willis.
Steve Smith.
Domeneek.
No?
Dominique.
Steve Smith in them, right?
Oh, yeah.
Steve Smith was there at one point, yeah.
He had good players, but he didn't have,
I'm just saying, when you look at the legends,
the Larry Browns, the, the,
the, the, um, the, um,
Pat Riley.
Pop.
That's what I was trying to think of.
I mean, they had some,
otherworldly generational talent sometimes
and Lenny Wilkins was able to make something out of nothing
so I just I always respect him
the other thing is he was a players coach
and behind the scenes he was always advocating
for players to get money for players get better deals
for the league rules to change
for collecting bargaining to change
Lenny Wilkins was that guy
in front of the camera and behind the camera
and he was cooler than the motherfucker so
shout out to Lenny Wilkes
rest and peace man
and your little joke about Mark's ability to obituate
Yeah.
Oventuate.
Off the cuff.
Off the cuff.
Smoke to you.
It's cool, though.
Rest of peace, Lenny Wilkins.
That's in peace, Lany Wilkins.
Bitch you should do sleepers now, huh, bitch?
I don't know if we're doing sleepers.
I've heard enough AI.
You, they flooding my DMs with,
yo, this's another AI slap.
The funny shit, he played that.
I came in here with that album.
bought. I gave my whole spiel
about how I feel about it.
And then I went in the car maybe
the week, two weeks after that
and I looked at that shit that he played
and I said, I'm going to play it.
I'm going to play it knowing what it is,
understanding what it is,
and just see.
They sent me a new one.
It was still hard.
It was still hard. It was still hard.
I almost added it to a playlist.
But I didn't.
I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't put no robots in my playlist.
Start your own playlist.
Send me that record,
it's.
No, that record is.
No, that record's still hard.
It's a new one.
And if they had to finish that guitar show on the hand,
I really let you all know something.
Yeah.
All right, I don't have,
just want to make sure I don't have anything else.
Boy!
Pulling!
Pull to the show.
Let's see.
Summer, Stephen, Travis,
Alcalfe, Sond Pemper,
welcome to ask B,
gun,
W.W.E., 50-year mortgage.
some of Wonker
We got it. Yep, yep.
We got it. That's all I got. That's all I got.
Look, y'all, we did it.
Sounds good. Let me look to see if we got a part of the show.
See if anybody needs our help out there.
Mark, how's that $100 tier doing over there?
They're supporting?
I got to say. Shout out to the...
I got to say, oh.
To the people who've done it.
You know, it's been enough.
It's been...
You'll see soon. They'll find out January for you.
It's...
I'm not putting a $100 tier out in this economy.
I respect that, especially.
she's nine and nine
right
exactly
92
909
9 4 99
salute everybody that's done
the 100 dollar tier
and everybody's done
the 40 25 and 10
as well
shout out to everybody
support
oh Mark
Mark on my hell official
is it
this motherfucker
yan sent something
every day boy
god damn
let me see if somebody else
sent something
all right
all right fine
we'll go
Wyand
said
After y'all's combo with DJ Head, I'm wondering,
would y'all be interested in Drake's version of 444 or Mr. Morrell and the Big Stepers?
At this point, I'm not sure that the stick to the slaps model is enough.
This seems to be a reckoning of some sort that needs to happen.
In a dream world, who would Drake call for his 444 moment?
What producers or features should he tap the shoulder of?
What subjects should he address versus stay away from?
I'd love to hear y'all use this as a fix-this business segment
like y'all did for tie.
Well, there was a reason why we did it for Ty
and we looked really foolish doing that
for the billion dollar boy.
Right.
So I won't do a fix this business on him.
Oh yeah, for business.
Yeah, but I mean, we could give some suggestions.
I think that's a dope question.
It's a dope question.
I think it's a great.
I would 100% be interested in Drake's version of 4444.
Me too.
If he got with 40 and Boy Wonder.
That's it.
I throw a vinyl beat on there
but those are three
yeah but that's
but finals could be in there
yeah yeah boy wonders
their vinyl should be
and and that's it
but yeah
4 4 4 was
hove going at therapy
coming out and letting us know
about the findings
and the conversations
and how him
and his wife worked through some shit
he was very transparent
introspective
in ways that we weren't
used to hearing
and if Drake found a way to do that
I think the world is interested
yeah
I think the world is much
much more interested than the kitty slaps.
Yes.
Agreed.
That's just my opinion.
I agree.
I think that was to be dope, actually.
Me too.
You know how comedians do some bullshit
and then they got to come back
at their next stand-up?
With the serious stand-up.
And do the whole transparency
so we could get past this shit.
I think that would be far.
You just have to have the moment
that makes the 4-4-4-possible.
You have to live a certain thing.
And if Drake's had that moment,
I don't know Drake's life.
If he's had that moment,
that I'm ready for it.
I don't know.
Oh, no, sorry.
That's a mistake.
Like when I think of, like,
even like in other genres like Marvin, you know, like Marvin Gay,
like, I mean, everybody thinks about what's going on.
But for me, here, my dear, is a moment where,
of like transparency and honesty and vulnerability,
but he had to go through that shit with his wife.
Right.
So whatever Drake goes through and gets clarity on,
once he does that and he's rapping,
I think it's going to be maybe his best work.
I can't wait to hear that from Drake.
See, but some would, some people would say that
the year that was the battle should,
have been the event that caused.
It could have.
We don't know.
Could be.
That's true.
I'm sure, bro, he sat in some rooms by himself and got his self-reflection bag on.
How did I end up here?
What did I do to get here?
All of the things about him and other niggas girls.
All of the things about him being a certain type of person.
I'm sure he has had to sit with all of that in some way, shape, or form.
I think he's tried to do that in music.
Like, even though what did I miss?
I mean, he's still trying to, he's still chasing the slap because he's programmed to think I got to have a slap.
But I'm still like, oh shit, the people that I was down with turned daybacks on me and all of it.
Like, I'm still, that's, that's some introspection right there.
That's me trying to figure out what's going on.
Real introspection.
I agree with that.
I said some.
I'm not saying he didn't dig deep.
I agree with you.
No, he could have dug deep and just not put it on wax.
But I think that accountability is where your introspection.
really start.
That's what I'm saying.
If you can find yourself account,
because all the other shit,
he just shooting at these niggas.
Right.
Yo, I was your man.
I looked out for you.
You piece of shit.
You turned your back on me.
Like at some point,
he has to,
if he has not already,
gotten into the,
me looking in the mirror of shit.
That's what made 4444.
So great.
He talked about his shit.
Mm-hmm.
Where he went wrong.
Well, you got a...
Mark.
Accountability.
You're in a room
with people that don't feel like
4-444 was that great.
I forgot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll put that on my moon landing list.
We're getting out of here, but I got my main man 100 grand on the side over there, man.
Niggas start winning games.
Their hair cut gets spunker.
That nigga looks like money, bro.
Man, Zaire Franklin over there, boy, stop playing with that, man.
Y'all see your little dumb-ass dad.
Look at him.
Now, he's having fun out there.
He got in getting buckets.
He had fun like wiggas.
You're getting some jokes when you come over here, but I do want to start with,
congrats.
Jonathan Taylor.
I drafted him second round.
Going crazy.
I'm waiting.
Nigger slipped in the second round.
Shit, I picked up Alec Pierce.
Second round.
He's going crazy.
No, he pissed him me all.
Yeah, Jonathan Taylor saved my entire.
I got pit him, man.
Nigger piss him y'all.
A nigga piss him y'all.
Congrats to the Colts.
Indeed.
Our boys out here couldn't be happier for him.
Oh.
And with that said, it's a good part, man.
Good part.
Good time. Good times with some good people, man.
You guys have been awesome out there listening.
You guys are the most awesomest audience in the world.
That's true.
I really appreciate y'all. Couldn't do this without y'all.
We do it for y'all.
That's true.
Please, please keep us in your prayers.
Please do.
Lord knows we need to be there.
That we do.
Until the next time, we bid you a due fair way.
Adio, Seriburchi, Osta,
Aisda, Avois, so long goodbye,
or simple head nod will suffice with love.
Just trying to find some peace.
Remember life is a series of moments and moments pass.
Mm.
Moments do and deep paths.
Mm-hmm, preach.
But we're gonna make this one last as if it's all we have.
That's all.
And lastly, uh-oh.
Say you love me
If you don't
Just let
This was that shit
This might even be my mom's
Favorite song I think
A lot of people
I think this is my mom's
favorite song of all time
Well after Purple Rain
One of them anyway
Lastly
The baddies are insecure
The stagnant women
Want to travel
And the closed-minded women
Want you to teach them things
Grab you a Tylenol
You might need it
We really appreciate
Y'all listening
Cooking
That's why he's so
That's why so.
On a sillier podcast, I'll break down what those lyrics could have meant.
It just hit me.
Early on.
Yeah, because I didn't know that George Mike back of the day.
Yeah.
So now, why are you even singing to your teacher, actually?
Yeah.
You know what's going to.
All right, we got to chase that.
God damn it.
My teacher was Cam.
I'm going
Before you go
I forgot
Yeah
I'd be forgetting
The dark room I'm in
This room's humor
Is
Nickin' man
Dark dark
Boy
If you have a teacher
That's doing that
Make sure to tell the principal
All your parents
When you get old
Tell a principal
Tell a principal
Tell your daddy
With the biggest gun out
That's what you're talking about
Assuming they have a dad
Assuming they have a dad
We love y'all
That's a great way
To not Abad
Tell your dad
Come up being killed a teacher
Oh, man, what y'all doing this week?
Come on, you're asking.
What y'all doing this week?
Anything fun, anything fun, anything fun?
We don't do nothing fun, nigga.
I'm asking.
Please, nothing.
All right, bug it.
Dance again.
It's easy to pretend.
You know, I'll read.
Fing you, man.
Who wins a versus?
Cindy Lopper or George Michael?
George Michael, man.
George Michael.
George Michael, now Wham?
George Michael.
Still George Michael.
Still George Michael.
George Michael was Wham.
Yeah.
That part.
That was George Michael in his blood.
If you're not counting.
No, no, I'm just saying.
George Michael.
Still?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why, y'all just jumpers out.
I don't know.
You got sh-you-
got slapsed or Rita Franklin.
That faith?
That faith.
What, Joe?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, never mind.
Yeah.
Would it be nice?
Hey.
Come on.
You know, how do you know that?
But this nigger is an anomaly.
Yes.
Like, I do know my dink.
This is an anomaly, me.
This is an anomaly, me.
Hey, Cindy better sit down.
Yeah, please.
Cindy better sit down.
Girls do want to have fun.
Cindy can't get a point.
Yo, she can't get one point.
I don't know.
Yo, come on.
Nice.
You touch your body.
Twice.
Yo, George Michael, I'm sorry for being this.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry.
You don't know the record?
You don't know this song?
In the pod, yo.
I got doing this shit with you all.
No shit.
Freeze.
Salute.
Free, not for real.
They're laughing.
I ain't laughing.
No, it's just serious.
You really don't offer?
Yes.
I've never heard that song.
Did you want to ask?
Did you go out of office?
Niggas a flame you, freeze.
Oh.
No, I just don't, because it was shit.
Remember when Andy, when Andy, he was singing, he dressed up as George Michael,
and they were singing this when the acapalic.
Please.
That's about 200 episodes.
Hey, nigg.
All I'm got love.
All right.
All right.
You hear, what do you think?
Do it sound good?
This was summer rain before summer rain, naga.
Wait for something to the ball.
Because I gotta get a thing.
That was your badge?
You're going to talk to get fucked up now, Fries.
You know what the song with the guy's stubble?
You're bugged out.
I bug out.
I'm sorry, George Michael.
I was just trying to make podcasts.
You're going to get to my eyes.
I think the web Christmas song is better than Mariah Carey Christmas song.
Hmm.
I don't know their way of Christmas song.
Little baby made a Christmas song?
I don't know the Wham Christmas.
What's the Wham Christmas song?
What?
Freeze, you mute up.
Oh, yes.
The very next day, take it away.
And no, no, no, no, no.
Yes, this song is better than the Mariah Christmas song.
What Mariah?
It is.
And this is why Cindy Lawford wouldn't get on that stage.
Yeah.
What's Mariah we're talking about?
You better play with something safe.
Come on, man.
Crazy, free.
I just never knew this as a Christmas song.
This was the first bar.
I know, I just never knew.
You know.
You're talking about it.
This thing, it's crazy.
Watch your mouth, freeze.
Better, nigger.
It's better.
It's better.
It's better than what Mariah the scientists did.
That's the only one.
one.
It ain't not Carrie.
He definitely not talking about Carrie.
That's a better song in that Mariah Care Christmas song.
Got it.
It is.
Mariah.
All right.
All right.
I'm not singing anything.
How I go?
I'm not singing anything.
How I go?
I'm not saying.
I'm not saying.
All I want on Christmas.
You fuck is rolling.
Go home and listen to Hill Madigan.
Shut up.
No.
Or, wham.
I do listen to a little baby.
I told you.
Oh, God.
I listen to him.
I love my best friend time
And he wake me up
Before you go go
I dare you say you never heard of
I'll smack the shit out
You never heard of you never heard of it
All right
Now that's up for you
Remember you like a jump
When they was in the
Yeah like twice
At the gas station when they
Damn
It's not one of the news
I got committed to be maddy
Watch your fucking mouth too, nigga
Yo you so anti-white
White money
I'm anti-black
You anti-Oreoerreau
You're anti-white and black.
It's great.
It's great.
God, damn.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I forgot me.
You never heard of Joe, bud?
JVP.
Or Wham?
JPM.
Boom.
We'll fold that up right now.
Don't look away now.
Pussy.
