The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 940 | "Good Kids"

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

The latest episode from the JBP begins with reactions to Mona going viral over the weekend (18:10) before turning to Clive Davis' passing at 94 (34:26). Earth, Wind & Fire's documentary hits HBO (57:1...5), Joe walks back his B2K/Pretty Ricky prediction (1:13:13), and the internet calls out Brandon Marshall (1:32:45). Also, the crew reacts to one of Ne-Yo's girlfriends speaking out about their relationship (1:52:48), Foolio's killers have been sentenced (2:20:15), Floyd Mayweather has been hit with a lawsuit days after a felony charge (2:37:00), and much more.  Become a Patron of The Joe Budden Podcast for additional bonus episodes and visual content for all things JBP! Join our Patreon here: http://www.patreon.com/joebudden 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast as well as its hosts are for entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own.
Starting point is 00:00:27 Enjoy the show. At all right now? No, I'm just like, mellow. Great move. Just chilling. I press the button. I press the button. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:00:36 Yeah. 10 years. It's always a surprise. 10 years is still. Oh, shit. We're doing the podcast. We are. They can hear us.
Starting point is 00:00:46 Oh, man. All right. All right. What's up, y'all? What's good? Everybody feeling good after a nice long weekend? Father's Day? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was Father's Day. Shout to all the fathers out there. I had a good Father's Day. I had a good Father's day. I did.
Starting point is 00:00:59 I had a good father day. You had the whole crew out. You had the whole crew. Generations. Tradition. That's all right. Tradition. Yeah, we went over, we had brunch at a blue, blue on the Hudson.
Starting point is 00:01:12 Shout out of everybody over there. Different from our Harlem spot we'd be going to that we didn't go to, a little more expensive, too. A little more expensive than just everybody getting grits and bacon and eggs. So that'll be a last time we do that. It's Father's day, man. Yeah, but we had a good. the time. Then my son called me on and
Starting point is 00:01:31 Tray called me ladies. Like, yo, if you're making a move hit me up, man. I was like, you know what? Bring you a little punk ass out. So I can talk to you. And we went out for a little bit. Oh, yeah? Did you go to the spot? Yeah. Had a good time with the spot, man. Hey! That was good time. I forgot. We went out. We had a little pod trip.
Starting point is 00:01:47 Oh, not now. We had a pod trip. Field trip. A few people didn't show up. Word. Wurt. Wurt. I was a little tired. Yeah, I know. You was tired. Ish was tired. Amani pump fake shocking Amity ain't going
Starting point is 00:02:01 That was That was shocking Because he's always Down for the show He said his kids Is coming up For the summer So that was his very
Starting point is 00:02:07 Last night Of freedom So it wasn't so shocking You had to get some Some shots out before Yeah Yeah Get a couple wraps up
Starting point is 00:02:16 Yeah It wasn't too shocking To me It was fun though Yeah a good time Yeah a good time I'm glad y'all came I like that spot
Starting point is 00:02:24 I laughed all night I laughed Which part everything all right this is what I learned though this is what I learned ice looked like a mob boss
Starting point is 00:02:42 when you see him outside that's a fact that's a fact what yeah you did shades chain yeah I mean VIP section Ice if he never talked
Starting point is 00:02:55 to nobody and I don't know if he did no I'm saying this is my point yeah if he never said a word and you just seen him outside. He looked like a killer. Oh yeah. He looks like a
Starting point is 00:03:06 mob boss. He knows the owner. He got his shades on. Know the promoters. A couple people coming in saying what up to him like he's somebody. Yeah I mean? His lady with him looking like something. She know a couple people so the girls come on. Making all the friends. Yeah, yeah. So she'll come over
Starting point is 00:03:21 being a girl's girl and I'm looking at ice and I'm like, yo, when he don't talk, this nigga. And I said, holy shit. it's the old school trick and it worked again ice looks amazing
Starting point is 00:03:38 under the strip club lights I said I said oh shit it's the oldest trick in the book that they got me with this niggis is crazy in the strip club light y'all know that's the old
Starting point is 00:03:52 do you know the trick? Yes. In the strip club lights ice look like the illest nigger in the world. Yo, that's my man. You did.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Only under the strip club lights up. Maybe especially under the strip club lights. No. Yeah, especially. Yeah, especially. Especially. Especially. Nah, use that nigga in there.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I ain't gonna lie. We had a good time. We did. My man? Yeah, I mean? Yeah, me? How much money? I was texting around the whole time.
Starting point is 00:04:20 I ain't come home anymore. I met a girl. She said I'm just her type. So I had to give her a couple dollars. She said I'm just her tired You know, that is hilarious, yo Yeah, no How much money?
Starting point is 00:04:36 She's the freak of the spot, too. How much money do you? Who's counting? Who's counting? A couple dollars. That's how you throw a couple dollars in a lot of dollars. It wasn't craziness. I'm on a budget.
Starting point is 00:04:47 It didn't look crazy. It was more than I was through, but it was more than we threw. But I threw a couple dollars too now. Yours was sane? Yeah. Parks threw a couple dollars. I used to sell some.
Starting point is 00:04:58 somebody too. Yeah, I threw a little something. He's a hell, Frank, a little something. I ain't throw nothing. She throw. Borsh shit. Borsh, on some mom shit. I don't throw it. Here, my. Here, miss and peace, you throw it on that bitch. You had to Zell? You had to get a fan, fam, fam, fan.
Starting point is 00:05:14 We had a good night. We had a good night. We had a good night. I had a good time, man. I've never done that. It was my birthday. We need to do these team bonding trips. We do. More often, I think. I'm down. That's dope. I go next time. What else? What else? What else? What else? before we start. I owe it an apology.
Starting point is 00:05:28 I owe you an apology. I slept on it. I don't even know what you. I slept on it. On what? The other day, the other part, when I jumped in minding you and Mark's business talking about the backflip and you own him money
Starting point is 00:05:42 and you curse me out, you was right about that. That wasn't my business. That was on some rat shit. And the reality is I was being self-centered because I wanted to see you do the backflip. But I shouldn't have said nothing about whatever you owe Mark and Mark getting it. That was going to be.
Starting point is 00:05:56 That was some corny niggas shit. So I apologize. Just the dress niche? I also wanted to see the backflip. I didn't. It just didn't concern me. It wasn't my business to jump in. And I do that a lot sometimes.
Starting point is 00:06:10 And it's wrong. So I want to apologize. You accept his apology? You know, move along, my nigga. Okay. Oh, no, that's just the beginning. How long you know me, man? Come on.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Is, come on. You know what? supposed to stop like that? Now, lucky for me, I did find a bet that we made that did concern me. It's from a pod we did February 2024. Snick at the date. Where we bet that in two years. I said, I said, what's her name, Taylor Swift would not be letting anybody get her pregnant.
Starting point is 00:06:52 The rest of the room thought that she was really on Travis Kelsey so they could see her popping a baby out in two years. And we shook on it. And it's taped. Now, I ain't pressing you about the money because you, my man, I love you regardless. How much was the ticket? Found it. I have no idea with you saw him. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:12 I got to go to the files. All right, man. I got to go to the fouls. As of now, it's just here to say. Gotcha. Later, I'll dig in there and see if I can find it for you. Hey, and I don't want it, nigga. Come on, hey.
Starting point is 00:07:25 A little light on it. Yeah, come on. Yeah, come on. Take it right. Take it right over the spot, man. Hey, hey, ask me, I might need it, man. Hey! All right, come on.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Let's have it. Let's have a good time, man. Let's have a good time. Let's have a good time. Rainy Day vibe. Yeah, let's go. Here we go. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:07:46 You been fuck with my sound board. Why got the chipmunk drop? Yeah. Mic check, mic check. One, two, one, two. What's good out there? Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Shout out to wherever you might be. listening from big jersey big new york city connecticut boston what's popping out there shout to the whole west park his parks you're ice and fish oh oh oh oh oh oh oh man is here with us in spirit what episode is this 940 welcome to episode damn these 900's moving ain't yeah welcome to episode 940 of the joe button podcast i'm your humble gracious grateful extremely happy to be here host joe button uh this episode is brought to you by, fueled by power by prize, piss practice gang, you. All right, I'm here with a really amazing crew to my right.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Flip is on the way, like I said. Our good brother, Philly's finest, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, is in the building. Mark, how you doing, man? I'm good, man, well-rested. How could you be? I got a lot of stuff. I heard about your schedule yesterday. Oh, yesterday?
Starting point is 00:12:18 What was yesterday? Oh, yesterday kicked my ass. Yeah, you're working for the Joe Button plantation, man. I did about it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, yo. I was damn at me at here 5 a.m. I ain't get home about 1 a.m.
Starting point is 00:12:28 That was a to the top production. No, it was great. It was absolutely great. Way of a good time. No, I'm good, though. I was sick on Friday when I was here, but I got to rest. I got a little bit of rest.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Yeah, I'm 100% now. I stayed out the rain. It's important. I flew to Chicago on Sunday, which was great. St. Sabina Church had a good time. They shouted y'all out, by the way. They actually prayed for the Joe Button podcast
Starting point is 00:12:55 when I got there. We appreciate that. Thank you. We need every second of it. Yo, please. It was dope. I didn't get to do Father's Day, but I decided instead of getting a shitty Father's Day, I called for a postponement. So my Father's Day will be next week.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Because you weren't here for Father's Day. Yeah. I was going to get back from Chicago at like 7 p.m. That's going to give me a necktie and like a slice of pizza. I want my whole shit next Sunday. That was smart. I hate to beat a beer of bad news. What do you think the whole shit is on Father's Day?
Starting point is 00:13:26 brunch in the neck time. A steak. Okay, yeah. I want to hold me on these. T-shirts, some v-necks. Damn, I needed some new v-necks. Yeah. All right, all right, cool.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Our good brother, Ishes here, Mr. Thousand-Dor's enough, bitch. How you feeling, man? What up, I'm good. Good, good, good. You sounding dused. Next to him, come on, stop playing with him. Mr. Kingpin himself, Mr. Take it further.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Big Freeze in the building. Oh, man. Mr. Kingpin. How was your birthday, man? I knew Freeze was that, nigga. He tapped me at one point in the spot. He was like, yo, man, it's a good. cool spot.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Ain't nothing for me and mine in here. This is for y'all. It's like, all right, nigga. I'm like, I'm like, all right, nigga, damn. Nah, we just, you know, you know, you, you, you BBL Bandit. We don't, we don't rock with a world. BBL bandit. I'm certainly not the BBL bandit.
Starting point is 00:14:14 There's some other people in here that would be the BBL, the bandit. How am I to BBL bandit? That, you, that's the, that. I'm new here, ice, can you explain it? I love him. Work. I love him.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Joe, you know what I'm talking about, man. You like the more... I have a weight restriction. Yeah, all right, I'll put it this way. Remember how... However the weight, however the weight pop up, it got, there's a certain weight. I got you.
Starting point is 00:14:40 I got you. Remember when you went in Magic City when we were down there? Yes. And you got out of there quick, right? Yes. Why? Because my weight restriction wasn't in my weight.
Starting point is 00:14:51 Well, my weight restriction is on the other end of that scale. Ah. But all I'm saying is that has nothing to do with a BBL. There's plenty of girls with a BBL. in Magic City. And Slim Girls will BBL too. I'm, I'm, I'm, well, he know what we mean
Starting point is 00:15:03 when we say BBL again. I do. Exactly. We have an audience of millions. They know what I mean to. Trust me. They all know. They all do.
Starting point is 00:15:09 They all know. Hey, you were the BBL band. Big Mamas. One 70, ew. 185, 190, between 190 and
Starting point is 00:15:21 215. Salute to y'all out there. Anyway, did I do ice? Yes. I did ice. I did ice. All right, Mr.
Starting point is 00:15:32 fucking. Elmira's finance parks is here, man. There you go. There you go. There's fine. It was. There you go. She was over there giving him a earful.
Starting point is 00:15:41 She was. Salute to her, man. You was talking? I mean, it's a strip club. A little something. Whispers? Yeah. I mean, it's loud, so it's not really a whisper, but.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Touchies? That's a lot. That's a lot. Wasn't a no. No. A little touching, little whispering. I'm with you. Big Poe is here.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Corey is here. Erickson is here. Tanna is here by remote last, but certainly not at least each and every one of you. Very, very, very, very important people are here. What's popping? What's popping?
Starting point is 00:16:12 Hey, my baby's here too. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I thought you didn't want that acknowledged. Yeah, that's what? Why would I not want? She's everywhere I'm at, she's there. No, I know if you want the audience to know.
Starting point is 00:16:23 That's what I was doing. Missing piece is here. And you could tell because Ice got a little extra pep in his step today. Yeah, that's true. He's a little extra. The rain didn't bother him at all. I was in the kitchen.
Starting point is 00:16:34 He's like, what the fuck is my chick filet? I was like, damn, dog. I got his lady. You want to attend him. Yeah, right. Got his lady with him and a little Wiley concert later. Woo. Stop playing with freeze.
Starting point is 00:16:48 What you do for your birthday, man? Do it big. Bougualee for a show. You got to be? Strip club. Book Walee for a show. That's hilarious. So come on beautiful people.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Can that's your quick question? I was joking about you. I'm a little joking about you and you had pye different from your lady. But do y'all, like I know your girl be here, your lady be here. My lady's been here once, I think. Do y'all pie different when they hear? Like, do y'all feel like y'all act different when they hear? No.
Starting point is 00:17:17 No. Oh, no. Well, you were around, but I spent the first six years of this podcast doing it in front of my lady. Okay, so it's just like she's not there. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:17:30 Rimm is damn like a part of this part. Yeah. Word. She's a producer. Like she's been a fixture in the corner for most of this thing. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Because if my wife comes on a pot totally different. Just let you know. You're going to recognize me. Pussy. Yes. I'm right with you. I'm never part in the same if my girl was around. I'm not even going to pretend.
Starting point is 00:17:48 You think I've let my girl know how funny I am when she ain't around? Nica. I am Eddie Murphy when she ain't around. Bitches. I'm sorry. This is exactly You're podcasters. Anyways.
Starting point is 00:18:03 You got any other brilliant questions? Mark? I was just curious. Well, it dooms me to say that we must start with our co-host. Who's not here? Who's not here?
Starting point is 00:18:16 And normally I would have waited to discuss this until she is here, but she won't be here Friday. Oh, really? Yeah, because she's got a gig that she called out for a fucking months ago. Got it.
Starting point is 00:18:26 So now, yeah, you're at the top of it. You're at the top of the board, Mona. You're at the top of the board for your virality. You went. I don't know. Y'all do it. I'm going to get mad. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:18:37 You do it. It's the issue. No, no, no. It's you. No, no, no. All right, you're going to do Claude Davis? Yep. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:45 You're going to do it. You'll do this one. No, Mona went viral earlier in the week for a potential altercation. It wasn't a real altercation. it was more of an argument verbal thing it was a verbal altercation Mona was in downtown Delaware
Starting point is 00:19:10 people thought it was Philly it was not Philly by the way it was Delaware and you could see on the video of her having a conversation with a woman the woman was a little more animated than Mona at the beginning
Starting point is 00:19:21 and she's kind of walking away and Mona you can hear Mona saying if I did that to you I apologize trying to diffuse the situation then the woman kind of walks away like I don't want she had time for that she goes into the store Mona tries to walk into the store they close the door behind her and she's like basically like I'm trying I'm trying to
Starting point is 00:19:41 get in the store um she eventually gets into the store follows a woman into the store I want to say follows her in the store Mona says she was going in to purchase something but she engages the woman further and the woman is basically like get the fuck away from me I'm not this isn't word for word but this is the gist and and then it clips off there are people that's the part that people saw There's more to the video. It's a very long video. But that's what people saw. Some people were trying to say that Mona was antagonized women.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Other people were saying Mona was scared of the woman. Other people were saying, you know, all kinds of things. Personally, I thought, well, I have a few thoughts. But in that moment, Mona, to me, wasn't scared to woman at all. Not that that should be the point, but to me, she was just trying to be an adult and defuse the situation and be like, yo, my bad if something happened and chill a situation out. Personally, I would have just gone another way at some point. but I think it's important to note that, that's all. Somebody sent me the video on,
Starting point is 00:20:37 I want to say Thursday night, they sent me the video. There's a couple days before the rest of us got it. And so I called him on, I'm like, yo, what the fuck? She's like, dog. She was like, yo, I really didn't want no trouble. She's like, yo, I'm trying to be cognizant of my social standing now. She's like, yo, the old me, we'd have been rumbling.
Starting point is 00:20:57 She said, yo, I was trying to apologize to the lady. She's like, yo, I really didn't want no trouble. I was telling the lady, basically, if I offended you, let me know what I did. I apologize. And she said the lady just was just wouldn't tone down. And she said, yo, the lady was threatening to mace her and all types of shit. And she's like, yo, I'm just trying to see what I did wrong to you, fam. I don't want no smoke.
Starting point is 00:21:16 I don't want no problems. And she was like, yo, she was like, yo, I'm telling you, you would have been really, really proud of me. Even the stuff that you didn't see, I tried to defuse the situation as much as I possibly could versus being the old me that I used to be. Are you talking about moaning? Yeah. You feel what you're confusing me. You say somebody sent me the thing and then you told about what I said.
Starting point is 00:21:33 No, a person sent me to video. He saw it and then called home. Like somebody DM'd me the video and was like, yo, your girl was just out here about to get it in and sent it to me. So I immediately called her. Like, yo, what the fuck? And she was like, yo, it wasn't me.
Starting point is 00:21:45 She was like, I promise you, I was trying to defuse the shit. I wasn't on no aggressive shit. The lady was mad, aggressive, cursing me out, calling me all types of names and shit. And I was just trying to stand down without any problems. She said I've seen the cameras.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I seen all that shit. and I'm just trying to get to another level in my ascension. So I'm a big up for that. And speaking to her, did she ever find out what she did to the lady? I think she said something like, yo, I put some money on the counter or something like I reached around the lady while I was on the side of the lady, I just put some money on the counter. And the lady looked at it as being disrespectful.
Starting point is 00:22:20 Okay. So she said the lady just went from zero to 100. Well, the lady said that in the clip. Like when she looked like she looked like she, was charging toward her, she was describing, because Mona said, what did I do? And the lady said, you came my store, mad, aggressive, mad, rah, right,
Starting point is 00:22:35 trying to buy something. And no, it's disrespectful, and no, now get the fuck out the store. So that was in the video. And then Mona was saying, no, I can't come to the store, and then they slammed the door on her face. To me, it was the funniest part of the video.
Starting point is 00:22:45 That was hilarious. Mona talking to just the door. I'm like, look, Mona still don't know all this shit. Mona, that's something that just plagues my girl wherever she at. I'd be wanting to do that shit When you'd be talking sometime But there ain't no door right here
Starting point is 00:23:04 It was mad phones out there It was the nutty part Like it's grown-ups And anybody had their phone out Just trying to get some tea That shit was Yeah crazy That's how hit the internet
Starting point is 00:23:16 No it wasn't crazy That's what happened Every hour, every minute Every day at that store in Delaware That your ass Shouldn't have been the fuck at In the first place So what do we
Starting point is 00:23:26 Why is Mone at the store? I'm gonna say this to them when I see it, so don't think I'm talking about it. I told it yesterday. We had a conversation yesterday. Why are you at the store, yo? Look at the store. Look at the store.
Starting point is 00:23:38 It ain't a bagel in there you need to digest. Look at the people around you. Turn left, turn right. And then go and get in the phone and say something about, I thought about my social status, so I ain't swing. Bitch, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. It's hard.
Starting point is 00:23:56 It's hard. No, it ain't. Fremona is hard. It's hard for people. It is hard for people. Let me not speak with such conviction. But I've had this talk with many of people over the course of 25 years as they ascend. And it'd be tough to digest it.
Starting point is 00:24:14 I guess people only know what they know. So if I'm going to get hair glue from this spot that's here on the tough block and I go to all the time. And it don't feel because you're so comfortable in it. It doesn't feel like there's a problem. I got that problem too. When niggas is around with guns, I don't bat. I'm, I'm, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, cool. Or that's like somebody saying, yo, how do, how you be at these strip clubs in the Bronx?
Starting point is 00:24:39 When mad niggas are scared to go there, one. Number two, at your level of success and your level of fame, some could argue you have no fucking business being there. They could argue it. I would have a response. No, I'm just, I'm just giving you from the outside looking in. That is, that is the same exact thing as you saying, yo, why to fuck you at this bow, Okay, okay. All right, so now we're going to talk through it
Starting point is 00:25:00 just because it's an audience. Gotcha. The outside looking in should not matter when your safety is on the line, right? So with all of these strip clubs, I know all of the arms in the building. I could walk in with arms myself in the building. I know the security.
Starting point is 00:25:22 I know the gangsters. I know this is, it's a controlled, It's as controlled of an environment as it could be, not to say nothing will pop off. I'm saying. Of course, of course. On just a random street, not so much. I agree.
Starting point is 00:25:37 You can't. You can't. But wait, what's what I'm saying? But if that's the street that she's very familiar with and know everybody over there, it's kind of the same thing. I know all of the guns around here. I know this person here. I know this person here.
Starting point is 00:25:50 I've been coming here forever. It's kind of the same thing, Joe. I don't. Indoor, outdoor is not kind of the same thing. I'm just talking about the familiar. I also think there's a slight difference in that you could go to a different bodega. You can't go to a different strip club. Yes, you can.
Starting point is 00:26:04 What are you talking about? We in Manhattan, there's seven zillion strip clubs. My point is just simply... No, I know, but my point is just simply this. Yo, stuff that can happen in a spot that you are not in control of. So, yo, they might not even be targeting Joe Button. It could be me and parks beefing. I got the shit on me.
Starting point is 00:26:20 Parks got the shit on me. You just a casual bystander and somebody can rate... I'm not saying me. I know the environment. It's not me. I'm knowledgeable about everything that's going on. I'm talking about from the viewer's perspective, dog, you're not in control of that.
Starting point is 00:26:33 And so somebody, if something, God forbid, were to happen to you, the responses would be he should have not been there in the first place. I hear that. You get what I'm saying? Let's take it off the environment for a second. Mone shouldn't be nowhere with one sock on. What you got to say now? Tough ass.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Now, now break it down. When you live in, when you live in. When you live in. I respect that. Listen, what I'm saying, you just run into the bodega real quick. All right. Who is the thing? You're good, though.
Starting point is 00:27:07 I'm done with this topic. I will discuss it when I see Mona. Yeah, he's right. You're just trying to. You threw something on right quick. No, no. But where's the other side? Everybody doesn't lost the sock.
Starting point is 00:27:18 And the crib. No. Oh, girl, didn't even know who Mona was. That's the other thing. It wasn't like she was doing that because she was molest. That's some clout shit, yeah. Yeah, she didn't know who she was. From what I've heard, like, the girl was actually shocked.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Her peoples was mortified that that that happened. They just, she was on that. shit because you're on that shit. They said, I don't want to get sued. But. And if she knew anybody on the block, nobody certainly jumped in to try to defuse nothing. Nah, because niggas beat fiends for, oh, shit, I'm going to get this one camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:45 I mean, you could have stopped that at fiends. So, Joe, you go to the strip club. Fair point. So, Joe, you go to the strip club. We all got some shit that we still do that we shouldn't do. What is your shit that y'all do that y'all? Oh, y'all know. You're going to talk about my hobby in clubs.
Starting point is 00:28:01 I shouldn't. being. I'm in the hood every day though. In the hood, hood, hood, hood. I shouldn't be in some of these spots. I know that. Why do y'all still do it? Like comfort. Comfort. They my spots. Comfort. It's just come. Okay. I mean, I got business there. I got personal shit there. I'm, you know, I, me personally, I don't think I've risen to a level where I'm in fear of my safety in these particular environments and surroundings. Like, I'm not there yet. I think if I start to feel uneasiness and my safety. my surroundings, then of course it's my job
Starting point is 00:28:34 to excuse myself from that and dissociate from that. Joe's been famous for 20-something years. You know what I'm saying? There has to be times where you go I shouldn't be here right now. I mean, I go through that. I leave. I've been in a couple spots where I'm like, yo. Exactly. Then you leave. Or like your friends
Starting point is 00:28:51 or your girl or someone will have you somewhere and you're like, I don't need to be here right now. Once I get that feeling, I'm out. Yeah, I'm not. Some of that should your ego keep you there sometime though. For me, like I'm not going to let nobody not let I'm not going to let something stop me from being in this place. I don't need to be here
Starting point is 00:29:08 though that's a thing. I don't mean like that. I just feel of energy radiating. Sometimes I was in Philly I was in Philly a couple times this week handling some stuff and I was visiting family in the hood and like I walk to the store I go to the local stay midnight I'm outside doing shit and I'm sitting like I don't need to be here
Starting point is 00:29:27 but then I'm like I don't leave and part of that is ego. And then for some people before we close out, it's guilt. Like, people feel like, I don't want to feel like I'm better than this. I don't feel like I'm better. That's part of what me.
Starting point is 00:29:39 I'm from here. This is who raised me. I shouldn't turn my back to do it. That's part of what I'm going to talk, but I don't want to disclose our conversation. But one thing she said, I think she would be okay with me repeating is she said, like,
Starting point is 00:29:48 I don't want to feel like I'm too good to be here. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing. Like, I don't want to act like I'm better than them. I'm going to go to this store. I'm like, you could just do Uber. It's a tough. Trying to find that.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Why is it tough? Because you don't want to feel like I'm too good for a spot, but at the same time, you might say, I shouldn't be here. So it's like a back and forth battle. I'll explain. It's not a battle for you. Again, Joe, been famous for a very, very, very long time.
Starting point is 00:30:14 And at a young age. Yeah. You know what I'm? And you come from an environment. That was a bad environment. So you getting away from that environment was the most logical and rational thing you should have been doing at that time.
Starting point is 00:30:25 You know what I'm saying? like it makes sense why you're like I'm not definitely not disrespecting the reason that you and not for nothing in Joe's situation like you had somebody put a gun in your face is your chance yeah like you know what I'm saying like some people don't go that far with the the close call
Starting point is 00:30:42 you know what I mean so they still feel comfort you exactly you had good reason to get out of I mean they learned you I'm playing but think about this and this is a real true story especially in the hoods yo it's a lot of successful people that make it out the hood right we don't know that they're successful
Starting point is 00:30:58 because they never come back so if you make it to a certain level of prominence or success you kind of want to go back to the hood sometimes to show to other people that it's a possibility for you to get out. That's where it gets tricky though. No it does. I'm not sure. Because some people look at you as food
Starting point is 00:31:14 now that you came back and oh well we're starving over here and you made it. Are you here? I mean play with the lions I can't say much go back to the hood what hood. Nigger they didn't turn to old journal square in high rises nigger. Whatever hood you grew up in ain't the same.
Starting point is 00:31:31 That's not true. Hold on that. James don't let you around. Some hoods are still that. MLK ain't going to be MLK, my nigga. MLK is everywhere around the country. There's some shit going on. I mean, it's a few simple rules of thumb
Starting point is 00:31:47 that if you follow it, you'd probably be cool. The harder it is, if the, if the harder it is to make it from hometown is how easy it is, just stay away from that motherfucker once you make it. Like, sorry, I don't see just
Starting point is 00:32:04 crops of Delaware motherfuckers. You hear those stories, the niggins on like Jersey City was tough to make it out from. Guess what? I acknowledge that. And I ain't to prove it. Yeah, I ain't coming back. Are you crazy?
Starting point is 00:32:23 Oh, no. That's crazy. On the drive by, too. Yeah. There's nothing to do, but you see your family and do all that type of shit. All that other shit I did in my 20s. You get a car, you wanna take it through the ab, you wanna take it through the blocks,
Starting point is 00:32:36 you wanna take it to fucking crowns. Yeah, it's over, it's over that. You ain't gone to crowns no more. The other day it was nice out. I was bored in the house on some, I'm a celebrities, I ain't supposed to be nowhere, so I'm just staying home for 10 days in a row with the exception of where we went.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Well, you know, let me hop in the car, I'll hop in the car, right, right? It was people outside. Which car? Which car? Yeah, that's good. Very important. My red car.
Starting point is 00:32:58 The red car. See? What brand is that? I mean. Is that Ford? Is that Italian? Chevrolet? It's another F.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Okay. I made it right. It was man, people out. It was traffic. It was all types of shit. I fucking pulled over where I was trying to go. What, nobody ain't in for me. I sit there, order orange juice and fucking left in five minutes went back in house.
Starting point is 00:33:16 I'm like, what am I doing? But don't you feel? Don't a party you want to just wrote? Like, I remember I think about, like, Muhammad Ali when I was a young boy, like, when I was, he would, like, he would, like, he would just jogged down Broad Broadway Street. He would just jog through North Philly just on Broad Street. And like, it was good to see him in the hood.
Starting point is 00:33:28 That's a different era. True. In fairness. It is. That's what I'm saying. But that's the image I have. That's what I keep holding on to. So when I think about you, like, you're riding through Jersey City or you're all going
Starting point is 00:33:36 through Newark. Yeah, I mean, like, the people want to see you. I agree. I just said that. You know what I said? And if I went to Jersey City, what store do you think I would stop it? A store? And buy them?
Starting point is 00:33:51 Pull over. Yeah, definitely wouldn't get out. You know, hey, Jersey City, it's a take it, man. Take about three seconds. Go ahead and park. Dairy queen, there you go. Go ahead and try the park. No, that's my hood, niggas.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Yeah, boy. Well, nothing that ever happened to joke about that dairy queen. They know, they know about me at that dairy queen now. They're going to lie out of the minute, be. A lot of walnuts. Anyway, we glad, Mona. We're glad that you. Yeah, that part.
Starting point is 00:34:16 No doubt. Support her shows, too, y'all. Word. That's my lick. Um. Are you okay, Joe? When I spoke to yesterday, you were still mourning a bit from the Clive Davis thing. I think the whole music industry was shook it up.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Oh, yeah, you did. I did speak to you right after he passed. You want to tell him what you said? No. I absolutely do not. You want to go ahead and tell them what you said to me as soon as Clive passed so they could really see the real mark. So they could really see the level you'll stooped. too. Come on. Come on. Give it to them.
Starting point is 00:34:54 If I was really a piece of shit, I would say it because it would be worth it. Yeah, but no. I'm going to say it. Mark said. Mark told me. Right. The music industry is reeling right now
Starting point is 00:35:10 following the death of Clive Davis, who of course was one of the great music execs. And I would argue maybe the greatest talent finder in in American music history. He's up there. He's in the common.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Wait, we should talk about that. We'll get to that. After we eulogizing first. Yes, please. You know, we eulogizing first. Please. And also, he died at 94. Long life. Yeah, they say the good die young. And, you know, he starts, first of all,
Starting point is 00:35:42 he's a lawyer by training, went to NYU, then went to Harvard law. A lot of people don't know that impeccable training. Then he goes into the music business. And, you know, first at Columbia Records. He's at Columbia Records, to me, one of the most interesting times in Columbia Records, from like 67 to 73. I think Aretha was still there for those last few years. I mean, there was some amazing shit happening at Columbia Records right there, and he was a great talent scout.
Starting point is 00:36:05 He then went from there to Ariston before later founding Jay Records. He was somebody who didn't just build. He wasn't somebody who just created. He wasn't somebody who just made money, although he made a whole lot of it. Yeah. He was a talent finder. He was. He had a unique and rare ability to spot talent.
Starting point is 00:36:25 And across genres, which is another thing. Some execs only can find the soul singer or the pop singer or the rap artist. But when you can see Santana and you can see Janice Joplin, you can see Aerosmith, you can see Bruce Springsteen. Then you can see Whitney Houston? That's certainly his favorite, his prize sort of talent. Remind me to come back to Bruce Springsteen. Okay.
Starting point is 00:36:47 I'll answer your question. But he had an ability to nurture and develop. And it's also generational. Some people can do it in an era and then once their moment is gone. But to go from the 60s and then to produce talent in the 70s all the way to, I mean, Alicia Keys.
Starting point is 00:37:04 And to keep producing talent decade after decade after decade is a testament, I think, to his talent. You know, there aren't a lot of legends still standing. And he was one of the last ones. And of course, his legacy will live on through the music.
Starting point is 00:37:20 It will live on through the infrastructure. to live on through NYU, you know, where he obviously was a club David school. And he was a big mentor. And so some people don't plant seeds. But one thing Clive was willing to do was, you know, plant seeds. He would plant his seed in many, many fertile young artists. And I think it just says everything about him. And so we would say rest in peace to him.
Starting point is 00:37:49 We hope that he gets everything. that he deserves. Thank you for your contributions. Word. Thank you. Responsible for a lot of great music. No question. A lot of great music.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Again, across all the genres. That's the amazing part about him. Parks and I, did everything to add to that, Joe? Did he mentor you? No. Okay. I never had anything to do with Aresda or J. Records,
Starting point is 00:38:12 I know. Sometimes he worked with artists who weren't, he was willing to mentor and playing seeds, even when people weren't. Yeah, you don't like gardens. Directly under his thumb. Did a bunch of rappers, fuck with him?
Starting point is 00:38:20 some did i know he had some strong relationships with like uh puff daddy uh he had some you know and so a lot of people who came under the bad boy umbrella he he they felt his presence um what you do is if you keep a straight face while mark do this shit i mean just let him cook all right now for all right it's a eulogy what else what else we have with a straight face if anything we should be crying or sad but but but but lots of people um I just thought you might have been. I'm not sure if I have even I don't think I have even met Clive Davis I've never met him. Stick
Starting point is 00:38:55 to that. Yo, I don't kill what they ask. I don't care what they say. Why are you being such a jerk? But what? What are the Clive Davis accusations? I don't know if any accusations of what? I don't know. That's what I'm asking. Yeah, Mark, don't talk your fucking tail. You're hating like there's something.
Starting point is 00:39:11 He mentored lots of people. And you're saying things. One other think he was a pioneer one. This is a serious note. I don't know if y'all got a chance to read his biography. Who am I talking to? He wrote an fucking mind. He wrote an autobiography. And in it, one of the things he talked about
Starting point is 00:39:27 was being bisexual. And he was one of the first major industry people and major public figures to say that. And he said at the time that he hoped that coming out as bisexual would help people deep into understanding of bisexuality to get race
Starting point is 00:39:43 of some of the stigma and to understand who he was. And he had relations with men into his 90s. I'm only mentioning it because he mentioned it. It was important to him. And it's Pride Month. That people, that people, and it is Pride Month. And it was important to him that people, that people knew that.
Starting point is 00:39:57 So, yeah. So again, he left, he left lots of, lots of legacies and lots of marks with a K. I think that's it for Clive Davis. Rest in peace, Claibb, man. Rest and peace, man. Rest and peace, thank you. Now, do you want to have the fight that we were having? Yes.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Y'all want to hear this fight. Yeah. So. Yeah, don't try to back over that one. No, not at all. I'm talking to this through, I feel even more correct. But you said you wanted to do something with Clyde before that. Huh?
Starting point is 00:40:27 Okay. You said before me. No, I wanted to ask at the end. I just want to know who has the T. Yeah. My shit ain't about nothing important. I just want to know who has the Clive T. There's a lot of it.
Starting point is 00:40:43 He's gone. Rest in peace. But he was 94. He was in the industry for a long time. sure there's some tea out there. It's out there. Please don't make me just fucking go home and imagine what the tea could be. And it is piping hot as they say.
Starting point is 00:40:56 I know it is. I wish somebody would spill it. Do we think that Clive T will come out anytime soon? Absolutely. Probably. Absolutely. Here's the thing. And I know some people, when he died yesterday, were tagging me and saying, I can't
Starting point is 00:41:09 wait for Mark's eulogy so he can really go in on Clive Davis. And that's not, I have no problem. You all know me. I have no problem. criticizing people doing a eulogy if they deserve it. And he may deserve it. But I don't want to mention a bunch of rumor in innuendo in people's eulogy. It's one thing with Hulk Hogan was like,
Starting point is 00:41:26 we know this thing happened or Dick Cheney, who's a certified piece of shit. That's different. But like I'm going to say that after you do a lot of shit. Your dick. Dick Cheney, yeah, I don't care. But for Clive Davis, it's too much speculation, too much rumor, too much innuendo,
Starting point is 00:41:42 that I don't think that's fair to him, his legacy, or the people who are tied to him. which is a lot of people Yeah Yeah so I don't I don't want to do that There'll be plenty of time for that When it comes out I'll report it I promise but it's just not the time right now
Starting point is 00:41:56 You know But we were having a conversation About talent And who's kind of I don't want to missrepresenter But I said that somehow we ended up talking about Barry Gordy because we're talking about who's left And I said Barry Gordy is one of the greatest
Starting point is 00:42:10 Obviously one of the greatest talent finders The you say he's the greatest I put Clive Davis above him How? and that's where the conversation came. Who are Barry, Barry's Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gay.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Smokey Robinson. Smokey Robinson. Diana Ross. Oh, yeah, that's, that's, yeah. You can stop. No, he found him and scouted him. I'm asking him from ignorance. Well, him and his team, you know, obviously
Starting point is 00:42:34 we're both these gentlemen. These gentlemen, they have massive teams. Yeah, because otherwise, if you don't talk teams, it's not fair. Yeah. I think they're the, to me, they're the two in the conversation. Agreed. I think it's almost impossible to beat that lineup.
Starting point is 00:42:46 It's a nice start. That's a mean far. It's a nice starting five. When Clive Davis wins is the depth and the breath. So I'm just, I made a little list just to go back to it. But again, I mean, I know y'all don't care about some of these people, so y'all going to say whatever. No, there's some monsters on this list. But I mean, to find Janice Joplin, to find Barry Manilow, to find Bruce Springsteen, to find Aerosmith, to find Santana, to find Whitney Houston.
Starting point is 00:43:10 I mean, this ain't a crazy take. It's not the craziest thing. It would be the best if there wasn't a person. person standing right there that got the names that Parkson and Stevey Wonder sorry yeah yeah that would be that would be the top does Barry Gordon get credit for Stevie Wonder
Starting point is 00:43:24 I'm thinking this through why wouldn't he? I'm literally thinking about the chronology of him getting to Motown I was trying to wrap I thought he was doing some stuff but I might be wrong I don't know it's Barry Gorey is it yes Stevie Wonder is what makes it is what makes it even to me competitive right
Starting point is 00:43:40 yeah you could you could take that Barry Man a little shit up the street but no Aerosmith and... Arrow Smith, Bruce Springsteen, Santana... All right, if you say... Say Bruce Sting name.
Starting point is 00:43:50 I'm welcome. All right. What did he do you? I keep trying to chill. What's your beef looking for? I know. He's the New Jersey fucking goat. So I don't have nothing bad to say.
Starting point is 00:44:00 But that's two times. And if you say it again, I'm going to be forced to say what I'm thinking. Bruce Springs. Which is what we got to ask the question. Yo, I think I'm in the same... How many slaps Bruce got?
Starting point is 00:44:12 He got some. He's got some slaps. He got some slaps. And it's not. Not just that he got slapsed. How many slacks? What are they? All right.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Band in the USA. Born in the USA. Two live crew, you fucking hood, Ray. You get used to the two. All right. Born and that's worse. Born in the USA is a great song. No, it's worse than being banned.
Starting point is 00:44:29 Band is hard. Anyway, I'm not talking about the song. All right, born in the USA. This song is also kind of banned in the USA. If you ever... This song is actually ironic. People were singing that like patriotic. It's actually not that.
Starting point is 00:44:41 What else he got, though? Dancing in the Dark. Dancing in Dark. big one. Is there a deluxe on that? Born to run, Thunder Run. Born to run, for sure. All right. All right. Streets of Philadelphia. I got it. I got it. I got it. I don't know none of these. I got it. I got it. Born under a rock.
Starting point is 00:45:01 This is a big fight in my household, actually, because Rem is a big Bon Jovi fan, and we always have the Springsteen versus Bon Jovi fight. Is there a fight? What's the fight? Wait, what's the fight there? Bon Jovi's got a little more depth. A lot more, actually. Yeah, I'm going to say, what we talk about a little bit? So what's the fight? Who do you, who's better?
Starting point is 00:45:21 Who, in the versus, who wins? Yo, yeah. John Jovey wins. Hey, yo, they don't do they get in the ring. You don't talk about it. I can't, I can't, you know, yeah. But, but he's like the, the, uh. But again, bro.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Is he white? Yeah, he's white, right? Because he was spray tanning. You say, is he white? He was spray tanning. I think he's, You're seeing that we are the world dot. Fuck is what you?
Starting point is 00:45:48 He did not have the greatest performance. That wouldn't be the best. He didn't belong to all. But again, he's not, he's not, I'm not sure he's in the, I'm not sure he's in starting five. Sorry, Clive. He's not in Clive starting five. I mean, again, there's also Chicago, Pink Floyd, fucking Patty Smith.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Earth winning fire. Earth winning fire. Earth winning fire. You get Chicago, you get Earth, Wind and Fire. You get Pink Floyd. But Pink Floyd was, that wasn't fully him. He just got them distribution in the U.S. You lose Pink Floyd
Starting point is 00:46:16 You know Every point never comes to the U.S. without the nigga You got to get a nigga A 0.5 or something. Yeah, you gotta give them something. Yeah, you get something. The list is just
Starting point is 00:46:25 This is just a lot more. It's like a draft where you get like three Hall of Famers versus a draft where you get like 20, 25 all-stars. Three of the best that have never done. Not just Hall of Fame. Exactly. Oh, yeah, Jimmy Cozy A.
Starting point is 00:46:39 I've loved Jimmy Cozier. That's not making it. Clive get Jimmy. Clive wins. No. No, when it gets no. Damn Barry Gordy. Yes, he does not.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Run it off a five of a lot. Mike, Stevie, Marvin? Whitney neutralizes one of them. Now, I'm not giving Marvin Gay to fucking Martin. Whitney neutralizes who did he just said. I am not giving Marvin Gayda. How not? Marvin over Whitney Houston?
Starting point is 00:47:01 No, I'm saying what? Yes. Yes. Yes. Marvin over Whitney. Eight days of the week. Eight days of the week. Marvin Gay over with respect, rest in peace.
Starting point is 00:47:11 Of course. You are drunk. Y'all are drunk. Marvin Gay? Over with Yes Yes Out your fucking
Starting point is 00:47:20 I don't even think that's a show What are you talking about As a vocalist Are you talking about As a artist I'm talking about as a vocalist Her impact And what
Starting point is 00:47:28 But Whitney Houston was Her For a very, very very long time Not that long I mean If we'd be Not that that long
Starting point is 00:47:38 All right I mean no I mean Her first album comes out What 80 what 83-ish Yeah, and my love is your love comes up in, what, 90, 98? So it's 15 years. It's a long time.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Yeah, but compared to Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gay started with Harvey Farquhar, with Harvey the Moogh, which is why I'm not giving him all credit for, I'm saying Marvin was kind of, and he was already a session drummer before it. I'm just saying there's a long stretch before he gets to Motown. I mean, you take Marvin Gay's best four songs, and Whitney's not allowed in that club. No. You all are crazy.
Starting point is 00:48:11 Whitney's not allowed in that section. Give it. Give me the four. of the glove. You're crazy, bro. You keep saying that. Give me, what's this.
Starting point is 00:48:17 What's witness for? What's witness for? So let me tell, ask me, tell me what the criteria is. Because it can't be something. You can't, it can't be opinionated. Because now I'm gonna go,
Starting point is 00:48:26 now I'm gonna go get the songs that broke the records and now y'all gonna go to, yo, we're not talking about numbers, we're not talking about. If you say she's a bigger selling artist and yeah, I'm asking you what the criteria is. Before we pivot with the conversation,
Starting point is 00:48:37 the girl sung the fucking national anthem and the shit went four, five, six platinum. I just want to point out, I just want to point out that Marvin. To that point, but just as an example, Marvin Gay was kind of the first person at the 84 All-Star game to introduce that departure from the standard mark national anthem. So even Whitney is following Marvin's temper.
Starting point is 00:48:52 Yeah, and Michael Jordan followed Dr. Jay. Do they're not calling Marvin Gaye Dr. Jay. I'm not saying. Nobody brings up Dr. Jay's name when motherfucker Michael Jordan's name comes into the conversation. Right, and I'm saying that I don't think that Marvin Gay and Whitney Houston are joining. So you shouldn't have said it. No, no, I was just saying that he's.
Starting point is 00:49:13 The point still remains. I was just talking about influence. If you take Whitney Houston's, call it four or five. I don't care. Take her best five songs and she can't stand nowhere near Marvin get. No. She can't look at them. And then if you get the 10, I don't even know if you can add the Star-Sfangled
Starting point is 00:49:29 banner that she sung. Dolly Parton song. And put Dolly Parton up there with her to sing it. Put Cecil Houston, what's it? C.C. C.C. Wynens. Put the whole family up to Dionne Warwick.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Get all Hey, get Brandy, who else Whitney Houston? No. Ray J could come up there. And Whitney Houston better not say a fucking, with respect, another New Jersey left.
Starting point is 00:49:53 She better not say a fucking people about Martin. Whitney four biggest songs would be I would always love you. Exhale. I want to dance to somebody. I want to dance with somebody. Go dance with somebody
Starting point is 00:50:03 that got a catalog like you. Go dance with somebody that these songs is going to be. We talk about sexual healing let's get it on what's going on inner city blues I want you I heard you through the great vinyl I mean it's different levels
Starting point is 00:50:20 of arbitrate Yeah yeah come on come on With respect with respect And that's why I ask what the criteria is Because those are songs that's resonating with us when you start talking about Worldwide Acclaim and all the other shit It's going to be a different conversation
Starting point is 00:50:34 Depending on who the audience is That Motown sound is pretty global You got three number one hits You know Oh you're trying to trap us into like a numbers thing. You ask what the criteria. I'm asking you with the criteria.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Because now it's opinion. You think if you include white people that Whitney Beach Marvin? Because I don't. I still don't think that. Marving gay ain't some black. It's not about no white people, no black people.
Starting point is 00:50:56 I said, worldwide acclaim. So that's why I ask what the criteria is because then it becomes opinionated. And we start talking about numbers something that's quantifiable, you can't deny those and it's not opinionated at that point.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Well, but you still have to look at like the different errors too. I know. You don't? I said I know. I mean, you do. I mean, there's just more people in the world now in 2000. In your travels, you're going to hear more, you're going to hear Marvin Gaye song where you go before how will I know comes on.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Which I do. Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah. If we're talking about, if you're talking about artistry, I don't think it's close. If you're talking about sales. Yeah. Then Whitney wins a sales fight. Whitney wins a sales fight and it's not close.
Starting point is 00:51:37 By far. It's not even close. I think that's what it's correct. It's not even close. And it's all I want to bring up. If this young lady never had the problems or the issues that she had, unfortunately, especially toward the latter end of her career, we're not even having this conversation. Marvin has some issues too.
Starting point is 00:51:52 He had his issues too. No, no, no. He has some issues too. I'm not disagreeing with you. Whitney Houston was the pinnacle for a female artist of her generation, bro. That's a fact. Yeah. There's a, I don't want to say this, I would be respectful.
Starting point is 00:52:07 There's a natural decline that happens to all artists at a certain point. I'm not sure the shit. It's not like she had 20 more years of number one hits in there, and any more than Aretha. anybody else did, right? I think that Whitney had a great career, and Whitney, to me, is one of the greatest vocals we've ever seen. One of the greatest artists we've ever seen. I'm not taking nothing away from Whitney.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I just think Marvin Gay, it's a little apples and oranges, but I think... It is. I think Marvin Gay is just a different level of artists. I think we're underestimating his impact as a writer, as a singer. And I want to be clear, back to the original conversation. Marvin Gay is number three on my list. There's two above him that I like... So all I said was Whitney cancels out one of the three.
Starting point is 00:52:42 And then you're going to have to go to Clive Davis's depth. So when you start naming four and five, six, seven of these mega artists, I think those six to that one. Michael Jackson chances out about six of them. Maybe more than that. Michael gets about eight of them out of them. But he got eight more. Dolo. And now Stevie.
Starting point is 00:52:59 That's what I'm saying. But he got eight more. That's Stevie's here. Oh, wait. And Clyde got is each other man that he's about to rap for Luther? Ah, shit. Bro. And now he don't get credit for Luther, but he does get credit for the.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Like, come on, bro. I didn't know it was all. But I was trying to say that was a five that was unstoppable. But when you got seven motherfuckers and I could show up with 50 percent of that. Lots of them. But finding Stevie-1 and Michael Jackson is epic. I don't take anything from that. A nice, but a nice, but 50.
Starting point is 00:53:28 He still got 50 left, Corey. Park stopped at about six motherfuckers. Yeah. Did he need to continue? I don't need no more with you. I needed to continue. That's like 25. Hey, you take that Janice Joplin shit up the street.
Starting point is 00:53:42 I hear you. I love Jay's Chapel as much as the next man. But you still got the Supremes and fucking the Commodores and there's a long list. There's some heat on there, but all that Kenny logging shit could go get up. Again, if you talk about the sales, I love
Starting point is 00:53:56 Kenny Logging. I do that to Kenny Lodge. Or Kenny G. I fucking hate Kenny G, but the motherfucker's sold a lot of records. I think if you take all the... I mean, Songbird wouldn't be what I'll turn on if I want to hear like good jazz. I think if you take all the artists to ever exist, it's going to
Starting point is 00:54:12 tough to beat the that's the only point I make it. But it's not like he just said give me all of them. He actually developed some great talent and he revived some careers. That resurgence of Carlos Santana, that last wave? Oh, forgot about that. That's,
Starting point is 00:54:26 are you kidding? This was came back at like 50s. Smooth. Now that's Maria Maria shit. Give Clef that credit. You twisted my arm. Fuck Diana Ross now. The researchers of
Starting point is 00:54:41 the Reitha Franklin? Again, like all these people Y'all motherfuck is crazy, man. Dionne Warwick, he had a big, I mean, Clive there's... Yo, yo, you're going to make me... You're going to make me... Chill. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill.
Starting point is 00:54:53 You got it. A rose. Rest in peace to Clive. Indeed. And salute to Barry, who's also produced a lot of these artists as well, so... Yes. Different level shit.
Starting point is 00:55:03 To look. Aretha Franklin and Diom. What you got to say about Aritha, Dianne Warwick, Joe, budd. You can't say nothing about it. I have nothing to say. You can't say nothing to say. about Aretha Franklin.
Starting point is 00:55:14 He said the resurgence. Yeah, he was strong. I mean, he was, he was, checking for the, the rose is still a rose. I was a dope album.
Starting point is 00:55:21 I would even, I, what are you about to say? I got that out. There's just a lot of Aretha moments. And Clive Davis was a part of, part of some of them. A few of them.
Starting point is 00:55:31 A couple of them. That was my, that's not my main point for Clive. I'm saying, I said Santana and Ruth, all the people, he helped their resurgence too, which is a whole other thing
Starting point is 00:55:39 on top of the talent. I ain't heard from San Tana. Come on. I'm not, did you just, All that Maria Maria smooth shit I ain't heard from Santana Santana since them little
Starting point is 00:55:48 Black boy headed twins popped up Yeah that don't nobody know They know what you're talking about That was a group though From our aunt Sam Maria Oh uh product product product Product GnB Product GnB that was a group
Starting point is 00:56:05 Yeah the song was it matchbox 20 or one of them Yeah that album was amazing And it won all the Grammys And that was all class Listen, Motown and that's it. Yeah, Motown for life. All this shit you're doing trying to get a jive job. Detroit.
Starting point is 00:56:17 What up, though. Detroit. What up? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you're trying to speak at the Clive Memorial. You know you're a Memorial All-Star. Yeah, that's a fact. He popped up when somebody died with some kind words.
Starting point is 00:56:29 He's good at that shit. Rest and peace. Rest and peace to Clive. And thank you. And thank you. Amazing catalog. Thank you for all of it. His family, friends, fans, fellow artists and executive, man.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Mentees, all that. Yeah, there's a lot of them out there. All right, it's my favorite time of the show? Yeah, yeah. No, I have to be. That was a 54-minute world. We didn't do, yeah. You mean, 37, 57, and counting.
Starting point is 00:56:59 No, come on. There's got to be some more shit in music we can get to. We ain't got to get the projects right now. Let's get all the music out the way now that Barry ended Clive. Barry did not end Clive. Barry ended Clive. Barry Ended Clive. He's still living.
Starting point is 00:57:10 That's about it. Oh, man. Did anybody watch the Earthwind and Fire Dock, by the way? I heard it. I did. I did. It was amazing. I heard it's amazing.
Starting point is 00:57:17 I didn't see it. I heard it's fire, though. It's really good. It's on HBO. Questlove produced it and directed it and all that shit. Maurice was tough. He was tough, man. He was tough.
Starting point is 00:57:29 He was tough on them. He was firing people over. He was hard on it. Facts. You ain't seen yet? No. Oh, you should watch it. You should absolutely.
Starting point is 00:57:38 It's on my watch list. Yeah, it's music nerds. You should. You were absolutely. of all, only Questlove can assemble the people to be talking heads on this doc that he did.
Starting point is 00:57:51 I mean, you got Michelle and Barack Obama and Stevie Wonder. I mean, you... Oh, shit. I mean, like, it wasn't just... Yeah, but I mean, a whole lot of people who went and fire Doc could not get Barack Obama and Stevie Wonder. True. But it wasn't just like A-list, like, famous people.
Starting point is 00:58:07 It was also like people who really knew their shit. So I really enjoyed that part of it. I thought the storytelling was good. I liked his first doc. The Slice Stone one? Yeah. Yeah, that was great, too. No, that's the second one.
Starting point is 00:58:19 The first one was... I saw that one. The first one was the one that was in theaters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, about the festival, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That one I thought was good, but it was very clearly a very good first doc. And it was very niche.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Yes. It wasn't the star power of Sly or Maurice and Earth Wind and Fire. But with each film, Quest Love gets better at storytelling. For sure. The elements get better, the organization gets better. I thought the Slice Stonewall was amazing. It was. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:42 The Earth Win and Fire won, I just thought the storytelling was great. I thought visually it was beautiful. Indeed. And the music, it was so much good. You know, some of these doctors you don't get the music in them. Yeah, we're... You got to actually hear the shit. And Earth One Fire has got a lot of fucking slaps.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Yes. And a lot of people. A lot of members. I could see why the splits would get a little complicated. I'm not splitting with 14 people. In fact, I'll just keep it all. Let me tell you something right. If I'm not slipping with a nigg who's playing the trombone.
Starting point is 00:59:08 Like, no, fuck that. No, man. Yeah, watching the people leaving into the group, watching, hearing their childhood stories, how they grew up. Yeah. I didn't know. A lot of stuff I didn't know about, like, the separation from his mind. Just all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:59:22 And they have the actual members participate in it, too, which a lot of times doesn't happen with docs. Yeah. Or it's the other extreme. If the members participate, it feels like an infomercial for the group and it doesn't feel like it tells the truth about the group. I thought it was a nice balance. That was crazy.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Like half the band had to go get jobs selling TVs and shit for a while. It's crazy. It got deep. How long is it? Pause. Two hours, I think. About two hours. I can't wait, let me check it out
Starting point is 00:59:43 Just one last thing The scene where they get Housed by a parliament of fucking Is a great scene Where they're performing and they perform They got, yeah They got smoke They got smoke
Starting point is 00:59:57 They got smoke Pre versus error It was like We gotta go back to the drum ball We did It did That's a respectable smoke though For sure
Starting point is 01:00:07 Yeah that's what you want to get smoked by That's never late 60s I think Yeah Or maybe early 60s I think 70s. Oh, yeah, you're going to get smoke. Yeah. You're going to get smoke.
Starting point is 01:00:14 It was at the time where you should get smoked by people. Yeah. It was right when they first formed as Earthwind fire because Maurice was drumming for, what's my man's name, the piano jazz guy. Not but.
Starting point is 01:00:27 I'm sorry to disrespect him if I'm not remember his name, but he formed his own group and they opened up for George pretty early on and just got fucking smoked. That Clive shit can't open up when some Motown shit going on, nigga. Yeah. You're talking about it. I mean, he's iron twin fires.
Starting point is 01:00:44 Why I thought of it. George Clinton went on Motown, but whatever. I'm not sure how to... I was like, we still let this rock. George, you know? Not at all. Oh, man. Yeah, no, it was great.
Starting point is 01:00:57 Also, you should really how freakishly talents some of these artists are. Like, even as he's talking, like, yeah, he's playing the keys. He said, you know what, I'm just drum. Yeah, word. And he just started drumming professionally. Like, he wasn't like some...
Starting point is 01:01:06 He wasn't even a vocalist. No. Wow. They're just so gifted. But it's a great film. I think every. Everybody should watch it. It's one of the good watch.
Starting point is 01:01:14 For sure. And where is it? HBO. HBO. Oh, that's where I've been watching my fat girl, Colt Doc. That's why I had a chance to see it. Wait, is this a cult for fat girls
Starting point is 01:01:26 or a cult about fat girls? Both. Sign you up, coach. Back to that 185 plus. There's a QR code you can send me. No, he was, he was 500 pounds and up. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:01:40 His weight requirement. if you got under 500 pounds. So the guy who, long story, really, really short, the guy who invented the chip, so convertible roofs on cars could just go back and forth. The guy who invented that chip has a house and invited a bunch of fat girls
Starting point is 01:02:04 to just be there. Okay. And he kept feeding them. feeding them and feeding them and taping them and recording them and he married one of them and then the black girl he had some kids with
Starting point is 01:02:19 but he was sexually abusing people. Oh no. Well so they say he's sitting right there saying they got him he's like I didn't do that shit in front of the lady yeah they got him sitting down
Starting point is 01:02:34 no he's not in front of them but just you know the solo confession of shot so he's sitting there saying, no, I didn't do that, and then she wanted it, but it's a mess. It's three episodes. Sounds good. And they got all of the fat girls there, too.
Starting point is 01:02:47 So, no for real. I believe. I learned all type of words, like feederism. Who now what? The fuck. Feederism. Feederism. Like to feed.
Starting point is 01:02:57 Yes. It's a kink. Well, it was his kink. When you get off on. Feeding them. Feeding them or seeing big people continue to eat. And it was just, It was crazy.
Starting point is 01:03:10 That's, anyway. Next level, yeah. I'm not going to king shame, but yeah. I was a little different. Imagine that that would be a fire. Yeah. Oh, shit. That's a whole microphone.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Yeah. Fire. What, big bitch, big bitch head? Who. What a bull. You think, come on, let's get on some niggasher. What you think?
Starting point is 01:03:32 You think big bitch head is the best head. Yes, nigger. They act like they're eating and they're in the country. They're covered in the heels. They're esophagus Whatever the fuck that is right here They get you feeling Instant gratification
Starting point is 01:03:46 You might nut off the first I'm saying If you don't like big girl Don't ever do your mouth like that You know what I'm talking about though is You took a big mom before You know what come up It's like they last meal
Starting point is 01:03:57 Nick the last something in the market They're gonna freeze Big Girlhead is categorically The best brand ahead you could get I'm not gonna say it's the top This is what I think Personally I just think they care more
Starting point is 01:04:08 Like that's the key to a good blow job Huh? That's the key to a good boll job Yes like a girl really likes giving head Skinny or big That shit gonna be fire Some girls be feeling like it's a chore It's a task
Starting point is 01:04:20 They don't really want to do it Yeah My fucking Big mama Big girls get down Yeah Yeah like they gonna get comfy But I don't
Starting point is 01:04:29 I'm not separating it Between the girls who love Giving Head and girls That don't The girls that love getting head They could go sit out there somewhere in the conversation assuming everyone loves giving head
Starting point is 01:04:41 what brands are there's drunk white girl head drunk head period yeah that can go either way there can be a lot of teeth they can get the teeth in your shit they can be a little rationing two drunk shit throw up
Starting point is 01:04:54 that could be that too freeze you're a freak shit man you're right um my lap now I just think you know why big girl head is dope in 2013
Starting point is 01:05:05 I was invited them big bitches over just to eat. Um, on some. Feeterism. No. No, I hadn't. Sounded in a little. That's what money was you saying.
Starting point is 01:05:18 No, not. No, not. Come on. Just one more. I said. Open wide. Not to feed them and get, like, turned on by that. That's not my thing.
Starting point is 01:05:30 But I had a chef and the chef always made a meal for two anyway. And some of them big bitches would have, like, a nice full lip or a nice mouth situation where you would be like, hey, you wanna come over for dinner on Thursday? I wonder, wonder. And they would come over and the chef would bring it and they never seen a chef to big bitches.
Starting point is 01:05:54 So they use you two for themselves. They be using the one stove old college shit. No, you're talking about the big bitch, they'll cook on anything. But anyway, yeah, the chef will come bring the plate and then the chef will leave and we will eat. And we would eat, and then we would stop eating. And then she would eat.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Right to work. Right to work. She would eat again. I never said nothing. I never asked for that head. She didn't even look like she was in give head position. Stay ready, ain't got to get ready. Yo, dog.
Starting point is 01:06:25 After that lady got a full stomach. And she wanted some more Chef Boyardee. Oh, gobble, God. She was so good at head. I know I didn't give enough dick for whatever she wanted to do. Like, she was treating my dick. She was bugging. She was bugging.
Starting point is 01:06:38 Yeah. Salute. I don't care about the messy face, nothing. Yeah, when you ain't got to, when she, when she loves sucking dick so much that your dick is not enough, she's looking for more. She turned to, she tried to. She holds you in, nays.
Starting point is 01:06:52 She's like, yo. She's not stuck in your balls. She's not doing the balls and anything. Like, man, this bitch is a pro. Yeah, if I am more dick, bitch. Look at the pro. Look at the pro. Go judge.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Yeah, Judge Jock's, nigga. Judge us, boy. We're not to the knee, my nigga. I don't even know what you're talking about. We're not to the knee. Not to the knee. No, motherfuckers don't care about the next thing. And back in the day, like 2005.
Starting point is 01:07:19 You're going back. You're going way back here. Like 2004, when me and my niggas was hot to trot, we would get a kite. Motherfuckers be like, you know, these bitches have the pajama party in Virginia. Oh, shit. You remember when the kite it comes to. Yo, it's a few of them out there. They have a pajama party in Virginia.
Starting point is 01:07:35 You want to drive up there? Who got a car? Yeah, let's drive up there. Niggas take a drive up there. Naga, how it turned out? We all such assassins. We all wanted the big bitch. We knew the big bitch on the pajama party.
Starting point is 01:07:49 Niggas kept trying to sneak her in the side room, but niggas kept banging on the door. Ba, blah, blah, yeah. What you doing? Yeah. Nah, you ain't covered that. Nah, we're on that. Come out.
Starting point is 01:08:02 No, no, no. We will have a team meet. before you go get that fucking d- now no nigger that's that's something we gotta discuss oh my god that is hilarious you get your five minutes in the bathroom with the big bitch at the pajama party oh my god yeah you want to move to Virginia and only you looking for apartments anyway on the worst day next day nigger three nigga I'm talking shit I ain't a head guy sure I got out of there that was me good I was saying, what time is it?
Starting point is 01:08:39 It's not time. Funny, you should ask, Mark. It's time for my favorite part of the show. Prize picks. That is hilarious. All right, the NBA finals are over. The New York Knicks are still your NBA champions. That's true.
Starting point is 01:08:57 We sold the most merch. We had the most people at our parade. We had the highest point differential. And, well, the only team in history to end the playoffs, number one in offensive rating and number one in defensive rating. Stop playing with us. But there's still other sports
Starting point is 01:09:14 that you guys could indulge. Yo, and speaking as a fan of a championship team, I got to tell you, the offseason feels so different. Yo, I see y'all, y'all all into the Greek freak stuff. Look at y'all. The grass. We were talking about who you just sitting there on your phone. Who's going to be on?
Starting point is 01:09:34 Where's the Greek freak going to go? Hey, guess we don't give a fuck where he go? Nick fans? Hey, he don't scared nothing. He ain't scared nothing. I sent the to Tatum too. They got on the guy about Greek freak shit y'all talk about. Miami Heat with the Greek freaked up.
Starting point is 01:09:52 Yo, as more time passes, it's feeling more and more like, you know what I mean? We might have to repeat on these niggas. Because we ain't spend the block on the people we was looking for. The Celtics, whoever Brad Stevens, trout out there. We want to see them, niggas. We want to see them boys. We want, we looking for them. Yeah, Jesus, man.
Starting point is 01:10:08 We look for the boys. Detroit. Y'all was all. We want to see the Knicks. Hey, guess what? You will. Hey, we ain't dunking no smoke. It's the champs, nigger.
Starting point is 01:10:17 Fuck y'all talking about out there. Yeah, it's Knicks summer. Holly be back next year. Holly. Hollerberg. Oh, yeah, the Pacers thought they was looking for us. I'm going to be respectful to the Pacer fans. I was only worried about the Pacers when they had Benedict Mathurin.
Starting point is 01:10:35 they traded them I don't give a fuck about what the Pacers are talking about I don't give a fuck about no that hey we went and did what the Pacers couldn't do which was head out west
Starting point is 01:10:46 get our ring and go ahead home to our families that love us man Halliburton we hope you get better that 10 hamstring shit in game seven that's got to be
Starting point is 01:10:55 that's almost like if Jalen Brunson would have got hurt when Wimbignan whatever's name is tried to break Jalen Brunce's tried to break Jalen's ankle a few times.
Starting point is 01:11:05 But you know what happens when your star players strong? We play. We play through the pain. We don't get carted off the fucking court in a game. Seven, nigger. Why you wasn't still shooting
Starting point is 01:11:16 with a broke Achilles or some shit? So we're not worried about the Pacers, pistons, Celtics, heat, or the calves. Repeat. Repeat time. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 01:11:29 What if Brony go to the calves, y'all not worry? No. LeBron, you mean. Don't call him Brony. Oh, I was confused. Yeah, my blood pressure. Bronny, I was like,
Starting point is 01:11:41 I was like, what he's going to be? You're going to be? No. I wouldn't be. No. That wouldn't worry me. But listen, there's plenty of other sports for you guys to look at. WMBA is on and popping.
Starting point is 01:11:54 World Cup is rocking. I can't believe they let Norway come over here and do that whole dance in Times Square and win the game. You see that little robot shit? Growing up. Yeah. See that little robot shit in the North?
Starting point is 01:12:04 Norway niggas try to do the Norwegians. They got it off, though. Well, they won. I mean, I can't say nothing. Messy broke the record. There's the World Cup. There's baseball. Homeboy won the Masters. Damn, what's his name?
Starting point is 01:12:17 Won the Masters? Dude that won in 2023. Y'all don't. Anyway, there's a lot going on, so let me give you the ish picks of the week. Not before I explain how this works. Pick two or more players. Look at their projected stat line
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Starting point is 01:13:00 To get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 line. up only on prize picks, the official partner of the NBA. So now in walkback time, I do want to walk back my opinion on B2K versus Pretty Ricky. I'm taking it all back. Really? I'm walking it all, walking it all the way back. I think B2K might get dog walked on that stage.
Starting point is 01:13:26 There you go. Oh, shit. I went home and thought about it. B2K ain't got but fucking one and a half albums. I think I forgot about that part because I was actively trying to create a single when their run was happening
Starting point is 01:13:44 when bump, bump, bump and all that shit was going on. But, dang God, but, I mean, if you want to count the B2K soundtrack, maybe two and a half albums. And Pretty Ricky has two albums. I think that Pretty Ricky's music... Age. Yeah, it aged much better than B2K. A lot better.
Starting point is 01:14:04 Yeah. So some of that shit that, should have been that is a slap for B2K today a girlfriend and go I got everything
Starting point is 01:14:12 in life and I want except a boyfriend do do do do that's going to go but all of their songs got that
Starting point is 01:14:19 poppy feel to it not pretty Ricky not pretty Ricky or pretty Ricky shit or pretty Ricky should sound like
Starting point is 01:14:29 it could go today and we'll go today it goes to the that shit just sound like an H-Town
Starting point is 01:14:35 record with a Little Wayne verse. All of it. All of it. So, and then you add that to the fact that I start pretty Ricky with three guaranteed points because I don't think anything B2K has could beat their three big singles. Which is my body.
Starting point is 01:14:50 Which is body, which is hotline and grind with me. Right. Is Hotline again? Don't be stupid. You know how long. It's fine in the morning. Oh. I forgot.
Starting point is 01:15:03 On and popping. You're right. Yeah, he can't do that. There's nothing they can do with it. So, I mean, three zip already. Now it's going to be a battle of the album cuts. And Freaky, Ricky, Freaky Ricky, Freaky, Ricky got a couple more joints. So, I mean, yeah, I got Pretty Ricky one of this one of this one of this.
Starting point is 01:15:20 Versus has become a thing of, you know, guest appearances and all of that. So they might have to go, they might have to go to that route. Yeah. Yeah. May I have to. Omar, we all may have to take over and start doing the features and bring out some folks I got records with. to make it competitive anyway. There's a couple of these other pretty Ricky records I forgot about
Starting point is 01:15:41 when I made my initial take. This is bugging a little bit. And this is one of them here. Hey, hold up now. Listen to the hair boy B. Hey, listen to how the mattress squeam. I think they perform better than B2K. So...
Starting point is 01:16:18 They like each other. And I think they really hate B2K. I think they hate them, niggas. I can see that. Why? If I think we're better than y'all, but y'all been getting all of the... Y'all got all the...
Starting point is 01:16:32 Chipliery's out before them? No, no, no, no, no, no. Pretty Mickey was out before B2K? No, no. B2K came out in 2002. 2001, 2002. I know, because I didn't have no single out. Pretty Ricky came out.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Pretty Ricky came out. as I was trying to promote a single for my second album that my label was never putting out. And that's what he said. Yeah, so I said. B2K came up before them. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:16:58 I'm sorry. Yeah, they came out first. They came out first. Yeah, 05 is B2K. Yeah, yeah, that's their run. O5. Because that's when I was cold on promo tour
Starting point is 01:17:09 at Florida radio stations. I went to Florida promo run and let me tell you was on absolute fire in Florida. Pretty Ricky. Mm. And that's what Plutcher P gets into his bag. Frings, do you think that Amarion has enough to go against Brick?
Starting point is 01:17:24 Like if Amarion takes over, does he have enough to go against him? Oh, if Marion jumps in, then B2K wins, but B2K loses. Because Amirion jumped in. If Amarion got to jump in for B2K to beat Pretty Ricky, then y'all loss. Really? I, okay. Arrion jumping in makes it a fight. That's how I see that, because P., got a bag of his own.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Pleasure Peabag don't want none with a moron. I'm just saying. No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is if Pretty Ricky is already winning. Pleasure Pete writes. Yeah. Pleasure P rights. I got to look at the records.
Starting point is 01:18:00 If Pretty Ricky's already winning, if we're just looking at the groups, Omarion makes it competitive. Now Pleasure P's bag will still push them over the edge. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying his one-on-one. Right. I'll be watching. I'll be watching either way. T.I.
Starting point is 01:18:15 I got in some hot water for some shitty set up here about verse. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He called me and said, flip, what did I say? Did I say this? I said, yeah, you did. Oh, is that why they texted me asking me for the video? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:29 I say, it's on Patreon. He said, man, I don't know how to work Patreon. I said, let me take you a screen recorded. And, you know. Yeah, when he said versus was for poor people. But he went on TMZ and explained it. He said it was poor people activity. What was his response?
Starting point is 01:18:42 He said, I had a few drinks up there to Joe Button podcast. Which is true. It happens. I saw it. He said it a lot, but kind of another drink. Did he drink that top shelf rum I gave him? No, never. Nobody drank the nephews.
Starting point is 01:18:55 No, Maure, you didn't touch that. No. Because I would explain it. No, it would have been worse. Why you buy that bullshit look at here and got all the good look at your house? I thought I was, so I know about whiskey and shit like that, but like rum, to me, I always grew up just buying Bacardi. Which is a smart move. Yeah, just by Baccarry.
Starting point is 01:19:13 But then when y'all clown me, so, particularly you parks, clown me so much about buying Bacardi, I looked on the list They only had two cons It was Bacardi Which I knew And was it nephew Ray and nephew? Ray and nephew
Starting point is 01:19:23 The Jamaica The Jamaican shit Yes And the Ray and that Who bought that? Hell me Mark did But he said it was
Starting point is 01:19:30 Two times a size That shit is strong That shit was like Fucking lighter fluid But here's the thing The Ray and nephew Cost twice as much As the Bucardi
Starting point is 01:19:38 So You know Being a bird I was like I was like Hey yo I ain't gonna lie That looked like Some shit
Starting point is 01:19:44 That'd be in Oh Are you fucking Crazy. It cost twice as much as the Perkins I thought of During COVID
Starting point is 01:19:50 in Jamaica niggas was cleaning their body with this man in the airport when I went there
Starting point is 01:19:57 they opened it to rent that way go on Joe I don't take the I don't take this Joe
Starting point is 01:20:04 I should taste like when I used to steal liquor out my parents liquor cabinet yeah the bottle
Starting point is 01:20:08 look like that yeah it's like it's like you ever clear type shit that's strong I don't drink
Starting point is 01:20:13 like that I just saw it so I was like it costs more it must you know must be better there is good
Starting point is 01:20:16 rums. What is the rum that people should be buying? And what makes good rum? It sounds like an ad, so I'm not going to... Yeah, yeah. Like, I thought about, like, Jamaican rums and, like, you know, like, rums from other places, but, like, when I just go to store, I just buy what's there, because it's... Bacardi, Nickarty's not the end of the world.
Starting point is 01:20:32 Oh, now, see? It's better than that. Okay, I'll go back. I'll go back. As long as you're not getting, like, I feel like you had, like, Bacardi Razz or something. Like, McCarty Lamone. That's what I'm not a fucking 22-year-old in the 90s. I mean, that might be asking.
Starting point is 01:20:49 The other problem with Mona going to that story is I got a good guess in my mind as to how much money she makes every month. And at that number, you can't go to Delaware no more. Mona. You have to move from Delaware. I said that when I seen her story one time and she was just filming out the window. I was like, oh. You can live in Delaware. Just maybe not where she lives in Delaware.
Starting point is 01:21:12 Here's the problem. She live in a good spot. Oh, she does. The wish you explained to me was when you live in there at a certain time, you go one way you're in the center, you're in downtown, the other way you're in the hood, and in the good part, everything shuts down like four or five o'clock. So you want something, even like a bag of chips, you've got to go to other direction. I don't believe that's possible.
Starting point is 01:21:32 That's how they keep good people in the good part. I mean, shut up the, shut up. No, it's how to keep crime down. I'm dead ass. If everything shut down at 9 o'clock, you have no reason to be outside. You don't have an excuse. Your town. What you're doing here?
Starting point is 01:21:45 No, in your town. Right. Everything used to shut down. Oh, wow. Yes. At 9 o'clock at night, you have no reason. That's true. When I see y'all?
Starting point is 01:21:52 You ain't no gas stations. You can't even say, yo, I'm going to get gas, officer. And if they see y'all around there. And shout the honor for holding a down of for being mature. Thousand percent. You can pay matured more mature than me. I love Mona for that. You're a brother.
Starting point is 01:22:05 Yeah. Not a lady, but a man. Oh, my God. You're talking to me like that and somebody might be recorded? You're the top. You to tore that whole shit up. Yeah, but no, shout to my, I really, I like how she handled it. I really respect it.
Starting point is 01:22:18 I didn't even think. That's a good point. The camera shit, not just with Mona in general, though, camera shit will make you do shit you wouldn't do. It would be amplified. You almost can't back down. You don't want to be embarrassed. One way or the other. Or the camera shit could make you feel a little bit more mindful and say, you know what, I got to chill. Because I got shit to lose.
Starting point is 01:22:31 Right. Sometimes the camera remind you of that. Yeah. Like, you know what? Mm, can't do it. But you can't take an L on camera. Who you say goodbye to? You bitch-ass, nigger.
Starting point is 01:22:42 Who you say goodbye to, boy. I don't understand. Who you saying? Who is it to? Sometimes it's hard not to go to the store where they're killing us at. Sometimes it's hard not to go to that block where the nix got the machetes. Hey, all you got to do is play this song in your head and picture the people closest to you crying up a storm. And it'll change your whole door process.
Starting point is 01:23:08 Hey, if you do that, you won't go to Delaware no more. Hey, if you're listening to this broadcast from Delaware, leave now. Get out of there. Ain't nothing there for you. Delaware. There's not there. No taxes down? It's not there.
Starting point is 01:23:22 Like that Rojobe of Beach and all? I'm not listening to you. There's nothing there. That shit is not going. It's not going to cool. It's not doing cool shit I'm there. Never going to call you, Joe. Never going to call me for what?
Starting point is 01:23:31 The mail. You know how much shit I turned down? I would turn down a trip to Delaware and a New York second. I'm not going to Delaware for nothing. Unless I'm, that little waffle house on my way down south. I'll stop over there, but stopping in Delaware for something. It's a wild-laws in Delaware? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:48 It's a Maryland. He didn't save them by the military. In Delaware. As soon as you get there, too. See, that's how they, even the Waffle House know that, yo, stop right in the beginning of Delaware. Like, if you keep going, it's crazy.
Starting point is 01:24:01 It ain't for you. I was getting right here. I've seen something on, something going around last week on, on Instagram. They was doing, if all the hoods in New Jersey did like a warrior style hand in combat with all the hoods in New York City who wins and the consensus was that New Jersey would absolutely dogwalk all of them New York
Starting point is 01:24:30 hoods partly because there's barely any real true hoods remaining in New York like they were saying with gentrification like how many places are you telling somebody you shouldn't go over there in New York. No, they're going wherever the fuck they feel like it with the exception of maybe six places. Yeah. Seven places.
Starting point is 01:24:48 It ain't like it used to be. Yeah, it ain't like that. However, in New Jersey it's a lot of that shit. It's still quite a few of those. I just thought it was interesting. I never thought about it. But that and I think about it,
Starting point is 01:24:58 yeah, I ain't never got beat up by nobody from New York at all. They clean them Jersey. Never? Never, never. No, never. No, never. No, never. It's never happened.
Starting point is 01:25:09 Really? Yes. Okay. This is a dick, yo. Oh, I mean, when it was a... I'm letting you live. I'm saying, I'll see with you. Oh, no, have I gotten hit by people in New York?
Starting point is 01:25:23 Of course. But have I gotten beat up from somebody in New York? That's never happened. That's never happened. Gotcha. Oh, man. If there's a beef, a warrior-style battle between New York and New Jersey, you ride in a Jersey. Are you asking me who I think would win?
Starting point is 01:25:42 No. No. What side would you be on? The winning side. So what you think the gangsters went that was in New York? What do you think they had? Atlanta? Charlotte.
Starting point is 01:25:53 Atlanta. A lot of niggas in Atlanta. Charlotte, D.C., Atlanta. Some of them went to Florida. Brownites. Oh, no, no. They didn't know. I just came from Brownville.
Starting point is 01:26:05 I just came from here. Oh, you on that monotime? East New York. No, Mona was on the flip time. Oh, stop it. I'm not arguing with anybody on camera. Shout to Mona, man. I fuck with Mona.
Starting point is 01:26:19 You do a whole theatrical scene when you about to get beat up somewhere you shouldn't be. Like, you walk to your car, take your watch off, pop the glove compartment, close it, tell OG this walking you. No, no, no, it's goal.
Starting point is 01:26:31 It's goal to leave. I ain't going to do nothing to him. You do a whole movie when you got to get. Brother, Bino was dead. Shout to Bino. That's one. Shout to Bino. Two, Bino was dead.
Starting point is 01:26:37 He was whispering, flip, let it go. But here's the thing. I've learned my lesson being outside in Brooklyn. in three in the morning with a chain on a mother gas and when they pulled it off my neck. I learned being out there thirsty, doing what I wasn't supposed to do, playing around, family at home, at home, playing around. They got to get right, yeah, I'm not playing. So you got to be theatrical because even when they pulled it off my neck and I was yelling,
Starting point is 01:27:02 because I had a friend with me, I was yelling, they didn't care about none of that shit. Them niggas came about a doll, the niggas came about a minivan. They didn't care. Brooklyn in another place. I don't go. I don't go. And boy, the party scene be looking nice. And some of the best food, some of the best food.
Starting point is 01:27:18 It's nice out there now. Some of the greatest food I see on socials is right there in Brooklyn. I hit a double tap and scroll away from that little lobster mac of cheese. Have you ever had a dumbbell run? I'm cool, huh? Did you have a dumbbell run when you were going to dumpo? One time and one time only. I ain't playing all of that shit.
Starting point is 01:27:35 Come on, Joe. Oh, please, niggas, I know a lay up outside of Dumbo. Wait for all you stupid nakes to come right outside. They won't. Yes, they will. Shit, I hear you. Yeah, now I'm cool. Y'all can have Brooklyn.
Starting point is 01:27:46 Even when I called BDow, for his, uh, esthetician who in Brooklyn, I called for the, for the home fee. Hey, how much it costs for you to leave there and come to Jersey? Because I'll pay it.
Starting point is 01:27:56 Yeah, I'll pay. I'm not going to Brooklyn. It's cool. No, Brooklyn at all, for nothing. You're ready. No, I mean. I'm just saying, like that no more. It's not, especially most of the part.
Starting point is 01:28:05 It depends on what part. It don't matter. You'll go to a show or something. When I used to run around to chase pussy, a lot of it was in Brooklyn. And to the people out there that identify with that, they feel me.
Starting point is 01:28:19 They feel me. I don't care that they changed it. I used to go to Brooklyn for pussy and no rough is here. I didn't know. Pennsylvania Avenue. You'd be on Marcus Garvey. Yo, look, this is back,
Starting point is 01:28:31 this is back in the MacQuest days. You had to print this shit out. What? You had to print your shit out. You ride around. The MapQuist? Matt Quist. You know, Shorty.
Starting point is 01:28:40 it's a football team on your block What did you? No, no, they're like my brothers. Don't worry about this. Brooklyn niggas always outside. Bro, they go in the house. That nigga was in Benson Hurst
Starting point is 01:28:54 risking it all, boy. That's only happened. Vince and hers. I've been holding it. That's funny on it. That's a good fucking joke. It is. It is.
Starting point is 01:29:04 It's cool. We all want to go. Let me catch that joke. Since we don't, don't let me catch it. I'm out the joke, but don't let me catch it. It was white people on Russians. He's not about the Russians.
Starting point is 01:29:15 I thought it was somebody that we knew my phone. No, no, no, no, no, you go to me. All right. Was there anything else in music that needed our attention or didn't need our attention that we're going to give it attention anyway? Well, it's not a music per se, but Meek Mill was, I see it on the board. Meek with another tweet, man.
Starting point is 01:29:32 He said out of a late-night tweet. Let me read the Meek tweet, man. Meek is guaranteed to give you one, yo. Hold on. I got it. One thing for certain. Y'all go always report on a meek tweet. They're usually pretty good.
Starting point is 01:29:44 They're great. They're great. We never get follow-up, which is why I be, man. He comes to Twitter, he said what he need, and we never hear nothing about it again, and we come on the pub, we clown, and then that's the end. Flip does the same thing? I want to know if he got progress from something. I don't know Instagram, though.
Starting point is 01:29:59 That's a slightly different. Meek tweeted, I need a doctor in AC. I mess my hand up. It may be fractured. Yeah, I'm good, but I might need a soft cast. anybody that could help me. That's hilarious. What time was it?
Starting point is 01:30:16 It's a good question. Important question, yeah. No, 6.41 p.m. On a hot Saturday. Pretty early. The Atlantic City. This is part I don't understand. And I love me, and I think it's a fair question.
Starting point is 01:30:30 Yeah, which part you don't understand. I understand that people hurt their hand, I understand that people need softcasts. Right. I would assume you'd go to the hospital or urgent care? At best, I might go to Walgreens or something
Starting point is 01:30:46 and just grab, if I could just get a wrap. Get something to hold me over for right now. So I think I don't get what he was looking for. Where to go? But I mean, if I know that, I mean, all of us know to look at those places. Was that like cold for something?
Starting point is 01:30:59 No, but it could be a, now I understand that looks a little more context. Like, if you're a local, you know it could be a shitty hospital and it could be the good hospital. So niggas in your timeline and be like, yo, don't go over there to blah, blah, blah, you're going to be in the emergency
Starting point is 01:31:12 for seven hours, they be killing niggas over there, go to this hospital. That makes sense to me. So that's the possibility. See, it don't make sense. Although this doesn't think is a good hospital of Atlantic City. There's nothing.
Starting point is 01:31:22 There's very few good things in Atlanta. Maybe that's why he tweeted it in there. Because he might know. That's true. Me being an AC alive. They fixed up AC, didn't they? No. No.
Starting point is 01:31:32 There's absolutely zero reason to be in Atlantic City. If I sit there long enough, I could give you all a list to hundreds of places. Not to be nowhere. You don't need to be at all. Atlantic City is one of them. Nick, people move from Atlantic City and go to Delaware. Yes.
Starting point is 01:31:45 Evening. Evening city is terrible to go to Delaware. My dad was so mad. They didded his little time shit. He was mad. They kicked their ass right out of Atlanta for me. What was that? Yeah, unless you're gambling, you don't need to be in Atlantic City.
Starting point is 01:31:57 You gambling if you're in Atlanta City. That's a fact. With more than more. With something. You gambling with something, God damn. That's funny. I hope Meek found the proper Yeah, get right.
Starting point is 01:32:08 But I'm glad you clad Because that's the thing. A lot of times people clown meek for shit And what he says It actually makes sense. He just doesn't sometimes explain The reason why he's asking. Yo, one thing you're going to do
Starting point is 01:32:18 Shoot a Philly niggas Some bell. He's going to ride for them Philly niggas. Because I mean, I think you could also just like ask whoever you're there in AC with. They might not be from A.C. Fair. You could ask somebody in AC
Starting point is 01:32:30 or somebody that you, you got somebody who could talk. He can ask thousands of people that follow. Yeah. Sure. I get it. Yeah, I'm shouting him. Yo, why are we talking about late night activity?
Starting point is 01:32:39 Yeah. This Brandon Marshall thing, I think it's interested. I have mixed feelings on it. What happened? So Brandon Marshall made a post on social media where he's showing him forcing his son to run at 2 a.m. How old is this son? How was it kid? How was it?
Starting point is 01:33:01 I don't know. Did you see him? How did he look? Oh, yeah, it was on video. Looking at his height is hard. like, Grady March is a big guy, so it's hard for me to know.
Starting point is 01:33:07 I don't want to say the wrong age. I'm a hard. I'm a lot of the internet will focus on. It's the wrong age. But he was young. And I want to say like 10, but I could be wrong. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:33:16 Just looking at him real fast. But, and he posted it and said, you know, this is not my friend, it's my son. And I'm teaching him to be a warrior. You know, I'm teaching him discipline.
Starting point is 01:33:25 There was a punishment for something. And the kid very clearly didn't want to be running at 2 a. And nobody wants to be running at 2 a. Except like Rocky, right? He about to be 11. He about to be. he didn't want to be running and so the internet is in an uproar uh they said that this is child abuse here we go that this is not healthy parenting etc etc etc and i want to know what y'all thought
Starting point is 01:33:51 about it i have mixed feelings about it um what is the mixed feelings i would i don't think we should physically beat our children right yeah so Imposing discipline that are alternatives to physically beating your children would make sense. Right. There's a point where the physical punishment or the physical exercise could be no word. For example, if you spank your kid, and I say, I'm not going to spank my kid, I'm going to have him to a thousand push-ups. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure that that's better. I'm not saying that's what this is, I'm just saying, so I don't want to say that just because you didn't spank them that makes it.
Starting point is 01:34:31 Yeah, I know, but here's my point. I'm saying, I don't want to assume that just because you're not. spanking them that just any exercise is like an acceptable alternative. I'm conflicted on whether you should have your son do that or not. Actually, I don't feel good or bad about it. The thing I have issue with, the thing that I would not have done is put it on social media. I don't like the public shaming of it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:34:51 I can't say I won't have my son run at 2 a.m. I might. You can make a case to me for why I shouldn't and you might persuade me because, again, I'm on the fence about it. But I think when we discipline our kids and put on Instagram, I think to me that's the part that I don't like because it feels like a little bit like there's a humiliation that comes in with that. Was it a disciplinary thing?
Starting point is 01:35:07 Yeah. Oh, okay. So, so. Yeah. It wasn't like, I want you to be a good runner. Oh, okay. It was like you didn't, I told you said your brother some syrup, that type of shit. Got it.
Starting point is 01:35:15 Normally I'm, I'm against the whole put it on Instagram, put it on social media shit. But today. That's what matters to them. To the children. So it's like I got to, I almost got to affect you in your world. I got to put this out there in the world where it matters to you. Is that different than our mom was coming up to school and beating us at the school?
Starting point is 01:35:39 Nope, it's the same. Same thing. And again, I didn't like that either for the same reason. I'm not, again, I wouldn't necessarily, I wouldn't have the kid run personally. I still would discipline the child, but I'm not against putting it on social media so it affects your world.
Starting point is 01:35:55 Got you. I wouldn't do the running part, but whatever you decide. Guys, you know better anybody. Here we go. I couldn't find this shit. 10 years from now. Hold on more. Oh, sorry.
Starting point is 01:36:04 LA, Santa, San Diego. Monica running at midnight on the pier. We wanted to do that. We love to do that. And then there's correction. Then there's discipline. You're walking. Run. Run. Discipline correction is good. Even two in the morning. We run. I don't got to put my hands on you. But I'm training you up to be a warrior. I'm training you be up to be a leader,
Starting point is 01:36:28 to serve, to have discipline, to be better than me. Run. Run. Let's go. if you don't start running we're going to go three miles so you better start running because you don't know when I'm going to tell you to stop you don't want to listen
Starting point is 01:36:48 we run we work two in the morning and he's in the car driving beside him you should be going at eight or nine miles per hour right now go this truck going to get to nine miles per hour pauses on all way to the gas station which is three miles
Starting point is 01:37:05 the far one too the far gas station not the close one tell him bring it I'm my first one I'm at six. There we go. Now we're moving. Run. Discipline.
Starting point is 01:37:19 See, that's the tough part about being a girl dad. I'm not opposed to him. Can't do that. Waking her up, getting out of bed. Come on, little Miss Mama. You didn't listen. Come on. Run.
Starting point is 01:37:34 Eight miles an hour. Come on. I got all these girls' dads. Hey, come on, man. What y'all think about this? I'm not opposed to it. I think that we're just in the age where any type of disciplinary action is going to draw some level of criticism.
Starting point is 01:37:53 I thought he was going to make some jokes, man. About what? We can't wake our daughters up to run. That's one, two. I agree with this, nigga. Let's make some jokes about this. There's a soft, man. It's soft.
Starting point is 01:38:04 Yo, dog, niggas looked at Rick Brunson like he was crazy. You know my mom did to me, boy? See, that don't bother me. You know what I got? Why? because not being punished No he wanted to quit He's like no you can't quit
Starting point is 01:38:14 Yeah but I mean you're training somebody That's any trainer would do I'm saying like I'm okay with that But he's training That's what he's doing But there's a The difference for me again I don't I'm conflicted about the particular choice
Starting point is 01:38:26 I think that's up to him as a parent right Because I don't think that that's abusive I just think it's just a question of what you like For me it's the social media part of it That's the part I like because When you know why I'm coming beat you at the school Which I also think is awful For all the reasons.
Starting point is 01:38:40 To embarrass you. It's to embarrass you. It's to embarrass you. And for the rest of the school year, you kind of was that dude got his ass beat at school, right? Yeah. The problem is the internet.
Starting point is 01:38:48 It never goes away. If I do something at eight, I'm 17 and it's still there. I'm running for president in this still. Hold on. Until they call you the king of New York and you put the crown in top of your head because y'all just won a national champion,
Starting point is 01:38:58 because y'all just won the championship, the NBA championship. And now people look back and call your father an amazing person because he pushed you at 1 o'clock in the morning, 2 o'clock in the morning, 2 o'clock in the morning. He wasn't being humiliated in that video. Yes, it wasn't, it wasn't fun.
Starting point is 01:39:12 He was being pushed. I think there's a difference. And he wasn't being humiliated neither. He's saying run. No, he's making, he's in a truck riding next to him, I mean, come on. Bro. You know, we laughed just now.
Starting point is 01:39:22 Before your mom, before your mom came up to the school and beat you, how many times did she talk to you? No, you showed out in the school. Yeah. How many times did she warn you? Yeah. You got to show this constant. She came up to discipline you.
Starting point is 01:39:33 You are embarrassing. You didn't learn these things in his house. We have manners in his house. We have respect in this house, and when you step outside this house, you are embarrassing me, your father, your family, and thinking that people think we raised you like that. I was disrespectful to my mom and I gave trouble. She definitely didn't make you wrong.
Starting point is 01:39:50 I had to walk on the belt parkway, nigga, because I didn't want to listen. Yes, on the side. I did. I was disrespectful. All right, you disrespecting me and your father not here. I, nigga, I don't care. She told me before I went to school, nigga, throwing rocks off the roof until ongoing traffic.
Starting point is 01:40:04 You could kill somebody. Exactly. My issue ain't the walk. Again, I'm talking about the social media part. That's the only thing I'm taking issue with right now. I think with any kind of discipline, you have to find what matters to that kid, and it has to affect them there.
Starting point is 01:40:17 That's the way you get through to them. Like, whether it be, I got a family member where their mom's made them wear the exact same clothes to school for a week because all they cared about was how they look. So now I'm going to make you wear the same outfit for the week. You get what I'm saying? It's whatever Matt with me,
Starting point is 01:40:32 when the first time I came home with Fs, which was freshman year, I'm going to take your electronics. They came and took all my music. All that shit. Give me that walkman. Give me all your shit. All your shit.
Starting point is 01:40:42 But again, but you have to, you got to. That's what makes it. Today with our kids, yo, as soon as they fuck up, give me the iPad. The iPad. What year was this freeze? I don't necessarily agree with that.
Starting point is 01:40:53 First of year school. Let me ask you a question. I'm not trying to argue. What disciplinary action do you deem okay? If I can't take your iPad away from you because that's what you cherish. So this is a form of punishment that I'm going to get a response that I want to get from you.
Starting point is 01:41:09 He just, he agrees with it. No, he said, I don't agree with it. The I don't agree with the iPad. I said I don't necessarily agree with that. And the reason I'm saying necessarily is because... They got PBS and shit on there. Well, yeah, I can't take my PBS. My Kindle.
Starting point is 01:41:25 It's because... And I did this with my daughter when she was a teenager. We took away her iPhone as a punishment. We took it for like three months. It's good. No, but the problem is, when we were growing up, saying you can't have the phone meant you couldn't use the phone. When you take away somebody's phone now, that's often,
Starting point is 01:41:43 these kids don't go outside. You're taking away all social access. It's a bigger punishment. True. Then, so I'm not saying you can never take the phone away. I'm just saying when you take the phone, it's not the same. Saying something you can't use your phone is different than saying you can't have access to any social media. You can't have access to any.
Starting point is 01:41:58 You can't call us in the case of emergencies. The stakes are just higher. But my point, they don't want to pay phone. Again, just to be quick. Real quick. Our ages was six, seven, eight and ten. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:07 They don't have phones. The iPads are only used in the house. So it's not the same thing with that. I have no issue with that. And to be clear, I'm not criticism to any of y'all individual as parents. I'm just saying, as we think about the punishment, sometimes they have to be bigger.
Starting point is 01:42:19 Because what we found, what my daughter was, when we took away to her iPhone, which is different than the iPad, admittedly. It wasn't, it was a much bigger punishment that we expected. We didn't realize how isolated she was from her friends. We didn't realize how isolated.
Starting point is 01:42:30 And it actually created more problems than we expected because of the length of it, the punishment. Oh, yeah. I'm about to say, you went three months, though. That's what I'm saying. Now, you don't go that long. Like, we, you go an appropriate amount of time just to let you know what it's like.
Starting point is 01:42:42 You can't access your friends. But it's hard to know. You don't want to lose that access again. So do what the fuck you're supposed to do. Now, here's the thing, guys. Just to use this. I don't think my daughter would, I think my daughter, I mean, I use the exam. I don't want to say, because she's an adult now and I want her to make her.
Starting point is 01:42:55 Right, right, right, right. But the punishment that we, the first punishment wasn't three months. First punishment was three days. Then it was a week. Then it was a month. Then she snuck and used it anyway. You get what I'm saying? And at some point, it's like, do these punishments work?
Starting point is 01:43:07 Finding a punishment that works I'm good with. Finally, I hear your point about, you got to find something they care about. Everybody cares about not being humiliated. Everybody cares about not being embarrassed. But to me, just because you don't want to be embarrassed, doesn't mean that embarrassing them should be the punishment. I just struggle with that, especially on social media, because, again, everything lives forever.
Starting point is 01:43:27 Again, they call him Rick Brunson a genius. But he wasn't being punished. There was criticism for how hard he was training him. wanted to quit. He's like, no, you're not quitting. No, I think it was, I think, correct me from wrong. I think his mother was there or something and was like, no, let him go. And he's like, no.
Starting point is 01:43:43 So again, yo, punishment is punishment. What you call overtraining somebody and what Brandon Marshall was calling training, low key, when you look and his son is a fucking all-American first wide receiver picked in the draft, people are going to go back to be like, yo, that is what training looks like. I get what you saying is. The results may be the same. But the overtraining and punishment are two totally different things. They're not even close.
Starting point is 01:44:08 One is a result of an action. Brandon Marshall made him do that. Now, he might train him regularly cool. We talk about this particular video. Brandon Marshall is running with him. He's in the truck, got the kid running because of something he did. So this ain't just your training. That's why he's doing at 2 a.
Starting point is 01:44:24 And if Rick Brunson case, I want to say that it was under the premise of at any time, if you don't want to be a basketball player, say that, and we'll never do this again. But if you want to be a basketball player, You gotta come you have to keep pushing you want to be a basketball player. Yeah, this is what we're doing right that's different than I'm punishing you for an action that you did I mean we're doing all this hood nanny because of some non-physical punishment It is a physical punishment. It's not being beat
Starting point is 01:44:48 That's true it's still physical you're making sure You're making sure three miles a physical is a physical punishment He ain't made him right three miles he just threatened I'm saying I'm gonna make you run three miles Okay running three blocks is a physical punishment No it's not it's not it's not an intense question. Let me ask you a question No it's literally this is just a definition I If I ask you to do something physical as a punishment, it's a physical punishment. Whether I make you do the chair on the wall, it's a physical punishment.
Starting point is 01:45:10 Hold a books in front of your hands. It's a physical punishment. When we say physical punishment, we're talking about physical. Physical abuse. Yeah. I don't think you making your kid run three blocks or a mile is necessarily abusive. I don't know. It can be.
Starting point is 01:45:23 Again, my point is putting it on the internet. My issue is the internet part of it. I'm with that too. Like there are ways to, because Brandon Marshall and I are in the same fraternity. Right. And I know, which is why I think it's really interesting that he's doing it this way, right? Because there's a long theory that the only way to enter a fraternity is by beating people. And then other people say, well, there's other ways to impose physical discipline to create brotherhood other than physically beating people. Calesthetics being one of them. So I'm with Brandon on that. I don't have an issue with that. I think, again, let parents decide what they want to do as long as it's not abusive. I just think that when you humiliate people, and I think the internet runs the risk of creating humiliation for people. There's lessening humiliation, though. You know, it's major lesson. Some people said that I bugged out for coming on air in front of all these people
Starting point is 01:46:10 and telling my story about Trey. I feel completely opposite. I'm on the total other side of that. There's a lesson to learn that you didn't get from all the other places, so let's try it this way. And as it turns out, hundreds of people, he doesn't told me all week people would come onto me just knocking sense into me. So, I mean, there's a greater.
Starting point is 01:46:29 There's a different question. There's a difference. And what I think you're trying to say is when you bring it to the internet and social media, it never dies. It never goes away. So, Trey could be 50 years old and somebody can still come back and bring this story up and play this and throw it in your face again. And you're also telling the story of it. What if you had the nest footage of him getting the beats, right? Would you have put that on, would you have put that on Patreon?
Starting point is 01:46:52 No. Right. So if it comes up, if someone did, let's say the guy put it up, that would live forever. And that would be far, I think the value of that would far outstrip. Like, what he got from that, the value this week has been great. You told the story, he's also an adult, but you told the story, he got the lesson, cool. But if the video were to go up, it's apples and oranges. I think they're the same fruit more than Jaylen Brunson.
Starting point is 01:47:16 My point is the physical image of somebody being punished is humiliation. We can't possibly. I'm sorry, go ahead, flip. I just want to ask a question tomorrow. So what do you say to the parents that exhausted all their resources? in order to discipline a child and nothing happens. What do you say to that parent? I don't think there's ever such a thing as exhausting.
Starting point is 01:47:35 Yes, there is. I think we all, I think we all, I don't believe. Why do you think military school is the last option? I think it's the last option people choose. There are other things that could be done. I'm not saying they're wrong. Again, what I'm saying is that oftentimes before we do something physical, we always say we've done everything else we could do.
Starting point is 01:47:53 Yeah, that's true. And I'm saying that there are often other ideas, other resources, other things we can do besides that thing. I'm not saying that that particular thing could be, is necessarily wrong. Again, if you want to send your kid in military school and you think that's the choice, have at it.
Starting point is 01:48:06 That's not my issue. So you can't beat your kid, you can't make your kid run a block and you can't put your kid's punishment on the internet? What we're talking about? Again, I didn't say you can't make your kid run. We keep saying that and then arguing it back down.
Starting point is 01:48:19 He said the recording. I'm saying, make your kid run. I'm saying just don't videotape it. That's what you're saying. If he had just told the story of making his kid run, I would have been fine with it. If Joe would have showed a tape of Trey getting beat up by a guy.
Starting point is 01:48:30 That's nowhere near the same as me having my son run some blocks. We're not going to make them parallel. I didn't say they're parallel. You're missing my point. The parallel is the fact that the video lives forever. That's all I'm talking about. I understand. And so when he 20 years from now, if Trey getting
Starting point is 01:48:46 his ass whipped by some stranger whose porch he stepped on, is going to be viewed totally different than me making my son run as a form of punishment three or four blocks down the street. They're not the same in any way shape of all. But you're talking about That's not humiliation. Yeah, on video, on video.
Starting point is 01:49:01 That's not humiliations. I also don't believe in the whole way if you do something online, it lives forever. As a nigga that be looking for the doofy shit niggas was doing in 2014, it's tough to find. It can be. They can't be. They can't be.
Starting point is 01:49:15 Some people get money, they'll go, they'll go and do the shit where you all never see how to this stuff. There's a kid right now. Remember the kid whose dad gave the George Jefferson haircut? Yes. He said you want to act like a grown man. I'm going to treat you like a grown man. and cut the kid's hair back to look exactly like George Jefferson.
Starting point is 01:49:30 The kid was like 12. That meme still pops up right now. 20 years later. The kid is fucking 30. It's part of growing up. Let me tell you. Okay. I think that's excessive.
Starting point is 01:49:42 For me, in closing, this is my take. I'm not telling it. I'm not saying it for it to be your take. I'm not telling nobody how to raise their kids. I don't and have never hit my kids. I'm not into that. Same. My kids also,
Starting point is 01:49:56 my kids also learned. slower than me. Maybe as a result. Same thing. They don't learn it as fast as I learned it with all of this gentle parenting shit. This is don't work. My mom took that yellow belt out all.
Starting point is 01:50:10 She had to do what's that quick. My mom. I better fix up. My mom off the threat, off the little. My mom, you say it. I'm coming up to school. I'm coming up to the school. Yo, when the principal was called my mother,
Starting point is 01:50:26 my mother would be like, I'm going to get you. Yeah. And I knew to go home, put long johns on, sweatpants on, some other shit, and put my jeans on top. I was so scared. And go to sleep and hope she won't wake you up. When the teacher or the principal, you're talking, I'm calling your mother. And they knew what time it was. The teacher and principal knew what was happening.
Starting point is 01:50:47 Now I got to go phone home, take the fucking phone off the hook on the sneak tip. You know how much shit I got to do? I got to change the answer machine. Pull the wire. Rwanda. One time I think I answered and was a parent. Like I was a dad. You had a deep voice from you was young?
Starting point is 01:51:05 No. Now, nigger, I used to do it. I used to forge signatures. Anything to not let these teachers know or not let mama know. Yeah, no. That's back when they had the old answering machines too. Yeah. You had to Rwanda take that Rwanda.
Starting point is 01:51:18 That's a little bit. Nah, I used to fuck it out. I used to put a whole new tape in there. Because I'd fuck it up. I mean, I'd erase half of it. Then the other half come on. Nah, we put the whole new tape. Dude delete that number off the call ID box word
Starting point is 01:51:31 I might even change the machine one time yo this is yo Joe button don't have a parent you're looking for a parent of Joseph Anthony button he's raising itself and if you take that in consideration he's doing a pretty good job anyway mark yeah we're making these kids run and we beating them and we putting them online nigger take that shit to the cold take that shit up there with janice joplin barry man alone them niggins Bruce Brings the boss. Was your favorite three Janice Joplin song? I don't have three things.
Starting point is 01:52:04 Shit. What does that have to do anything? I'm just talking shit. Yeah, they, they were clowning and Clive Davis earlier. He died yesterday. He died yesterday. Yeah, I know that, but what do you mean?
Starting point is 01:52:20 They were clowning him. In fairness, we were comparing him to very gourdier to say who had the biggest, like, impact. Impacted. and like talent development and talent finding people's. And who they said? I said Claude Davis.
Starting point is 01:52:32 The right answer is Barry Gordon. Yeah, Barry Gordon. But you can listen to the first. The white answer is Clive Davis. I got you. What else is important? Important, unimportant. What else needs our attention?
Starting point is 01:52:45 Oh, I want to send you this clip, Joe, of Neo and his girlfriend. Okay. With an ass. Okay. Shout out to Neo. Neo's still a friend of the show, even though I don't like now one that I'm country songs he's putting out. Not one of them.
Starting point is 01:53:01 Who get three girlfriends and say, you know what? I'm going country. Why you don't like it, though? You don't like that he's doing it? I don't like the song. He can do whatever he wants. I just don't like it. It don't sound good.
Starting point is 01:53:13 How it sounds? You said, that's not for me. They ain't for me. I'm cool. So one of Neo's girlfriends... You like golf books? No. One of Neal's girlfriends was on
Starting point is 01:53:26 an interview. I think she was live and one of the fans sort of asked how he divides his time amongst them or how they spend time together and she offered her explanation. I thought they were over the line ago. All of you three at the same time.
Starting point is 01:53:42 Okay. Ah! Yeah. He figured it. He's got a big house. So, what he's done recently he'll just like see how long he's going to be gone for.
Starting point is 01:53:54 Furniture would help. And then he'll just break it up and depart. So yeah, that was going on at the moment. He was left with the hard work. Bunch you would love with the hard work. Yeah, okay. They do with the art here. So you have to sit through all the, all the messiness of the clip.
Starting point is 01:54:18 Yeah, so we split it up. He's like, you get these days, you get these days, you get these days, and then we just... Scheduling. It's all my scheduling. Wait for our days. They got a spray. cheap. It's all about scheduling.
Starting point is 01:54:31 I thought if you had three girlfriends, this sounds like way more work and less fun than I would have imagined having three girlfriends to be. I thought if you had three girlfriends you would get rugs. You would get what? I didn't even see the video, but I can hear that there's no rugs in that room. There's not a single rug in that apartment
Starting point is 01:54:48 or house. They definitely about the furniture up three ways. Yeah, like I... Two times. We go to the couch. The first through the 14th. I've never had three girlfriends at the same time like this, but this don't sound fun.
Starting point is 01:55:05 This sounds like more work you gotta do. Because everything you do on the first... You never had three girlfriends at the same time? I said like this, where everybody knows they the girlfriend. Yeah, we're not asking my brothers, you know, don't say that no more to me.
Starting point is 01:55:15 What you were saying? We're not asking them. I have a great year after your girl. I watched the show. I heard what he said. I let him go. You just help me down. Don't say that.
Starting point is 01:55:24 It's okay. Don't say that no more here. I don't need the response. I mean, I'm talking on my man I don't need to respond The truth is he knows Oh he knows who
Starting point is 01:55:34 Yeah he just plays dumb Well he knows how to be obtuse Just like he did with that running shit He's playing dumb for y'all Oh so he knows The truth is worse So when he said that how can Mark possibly be an Eskimo brother to me
Starting point is 01:55:46 You're saying that he I don't see it He was fully aware You wouldn't He goes a motherfucker man Oh He took it So you really do nothing
Starting point is 01:55:55 And he knows So you just drink your fucking coffee and move on to the show. Let's get back to Neil. Y'all little, mm, now just sound like y'all ass cheeks whistling when y'all do it together. I didn't say one. Hey, y'all shouldn't make no noise in units or no more. That was them.
Starting point is 01:56:11 Oh. Now what you're going to say? Now I'll take it back. You're just going to go to me and a guy. He's such a bitch. Now I take it back. He's going to put me over there. This guy's crazy.
Starting point is 01:56:22 Three girlfriends. Yeah, so what do you make? I mean, you got insight on this. It sounds like a headache. I don't have an. I'm married. I don't have three. No, I meant it.
Starting point is 01:56:30 It's a neo. You're a pop culture person. I mean, I don't think it's that difficult once they're all on the same page. I don't know the pop culture. Every time y'all look, y'all going to distract me. Whatever he said, let me just answer the question. I don't give a fuck. That was a distraction in itself.
Starting point is 01:56:44 I don't know. Listen, if your three girls are on the same page and they know what's going on, it shouldn't be that difficult. I think it makes things three times easier. You said three times harder. What, the schedule? You come into one place? They all know what's up.
Starting point is 01:56:59 They're coming into one unfurnished living room. We have in my mind it was just, you got three girls. Y'all's fucking all the time. You over here, you over here. You're too. I thought it's something like, you hide in it. They all know. You is, and you're Islamic.
Starting point is 01:57:14 So in your faith, you could have up to four, right? I would never want that. I'm just saying you could. That sounds like a fucking burn. Everybody got to have equal shit. Yeah, that sounds like a, that sounds like a, that sounds like a, that sounds like a, you ain't got enough time to be doing all that. Oh, they said to have equal shit.
Starting point is 01:57:27 Wait, so you don't even have as many wives as your faithful allow. Don't say nothing to me about. Do you do me in favor? Don't say that again, no. I'm going to get mad. They're talking about legal marriage. Like when you actually formally commit and marry somebody.
Starting point is 01:57:40 I said I wouldn't want to do that to two people. Can't respond? No. Okay. So, again, drink your coffee. Now, just to let you know, though, I ain't fucking. I don't fucking, you.
Starting point is 01:57:58 I ain't fucking, yo, that was you. She might have been trying to use, she might have been trying to use me to make you feel some type of way, but, you know. You didn't know me yet. I ain't hit. That don't mean I couldn't make you feel.
Starting point is 01:58:11 I didn't mean I couldn't make you feel. and I got your button on my line. You could have, yeah, nigga, you could have felt some type of way. I ain't hit, though. Don't believe him. No. Polygamy or Polyamory, I always thought as more like freewheeling and fun and wow. This just sounds like you got to manage three relationships. No, anything with more than one girl is too much now, yo. They're annoying. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:58:40 but when one gets in the same pain, no, they still double annoying. Yeah, that's, until she get annoyed, she can be annoyed too. She could be annoyed. Especially if they schedule. That'll be annoying at the beginning. She missed you. Okay. Not at the beginning, but
Starting point is 01:58:54 10 straight days for anybody is a pain to ass. That's why I'm only going to do three. I'm going to Keep swapping ten times I got you Yeah man I can't even imagine Trying to cheat
Starting point is 01:59:05 In the age of unrealistic expectations From chicks Yeah Like what does that even look like Yeah Yeah Yeah
Starting point is 01:59:13 Honestly speaking I can't even imagine Being single With these expectations Like dog To be single Like Not everybody's expectations
Starting point is 01:59:23 Not the same So I don't want to Say that But Yo my nigga A date is 500. Could potentially be $500.
Starting point is 01:59:30 $500. You got it. Who? Not to be dating multiples. I got one date. Every two months. You know what I'm saying? But that shit is crazy.
Starting point is 01:59:41 Like the expectations are just nuts. Like, I don't want, where we staying in the Bahamas? Can you imagine if all three of them were mad at you at the same time, which they probably are. That's probably a blessing. I get the fuck out of the house.
Starting point is 01:59:55 Some peace. That's what I'm saying. That's just sound like excitement. Right. All you are mad, you know, we need some space. You got a problem, though. Yo, what? Another piece.
Starting point is 02:00:07 It's crazy, son. Like, yeah, I've slowed down, but I used to try to make my girl mad at least once a month just to get that freedom feeling. How many more days you got? Yo, and you'll say that live on air is crazy. You know that. I know, I'm just saying. It's not like something anybody do? No, no.
Starting point is 02:00:26 Shit. So how y'all get your friend? Freedom Week or Freedom Day. That mind, I feel like I asked you all this last part. Go downstairs. Get into honesty from y'all is tough. My wife go out enough there. I just wait for her to go.
Starting point is 02:00:39 My girl works. Watch your fucking about Mark. I'm serious. I love that shit. She texted me today. She's about to go watch some soccer game Haiti for somebody. Some shit. I was like, go ahead.
Starting point is 02:00:47 My girl works. My wife works as well. Mark wife getting shit off on him. No. I'm crazy. He don't care. I'm sorry. part you're missing.
Starting point is 02:00:59 No, no, no, no. You stop. Every time he bring a story, but you got to see his reaction to it. Brazil. It's okay. She's going to go with a personal trainer. She's fine.
Starting point is 02:01:14 He's a good guy. My girl tried as you, too. Oh, we're moving. So they came and took the mattress. I got to go to hotel. There you don't. No, you know. You tried it.
Starting point is 02:01:31 No, you know. Put a pallet on the floor. Put the seat on the floor. Lay on the dog bed. Lay on the motherfucker. Put a little sheet down. Oh, damn. I didn't even know you know what it just looked like.
Starting point is 02:01:46 That's so stupid. Girl. I don't worry about it. I see you this airmatch us real quick. I got you. Oh, I'm talking. Exactly. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:01:53 Hotel. You guys like crazy jokes. Nakes is nuts. Imagine your girl checking in the old town. without you. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine that.
Starting point is 02:02:06 I can't imagine. I can't imagine. What? This thing is crazy. You think is Stephen in the car, boy. Your girl can't stay in a hotel without you. I can't imagine it. But listen, when it comes to these topics, it's fun to, it's fun that I know that
Starting point is 02:02:25 me, flip, and ICE are crazy. and you ish in parks are not. That's true. That helps me when we do this on air like this. That's fair. We are notes. You flip off. No, no, me, him and freeze.
Starting point is 02:02:39 Like, singing in the high, you break around us up, you know. Oh, hotel. Come on, Joe. A hotel. A hotel. Girl, please. Yo.
Starting point is 02:02:50 So let me ask you. You still got to use MapQuest with me. You can't even find no shit, nigga. Well, hotel what? Yeah, Mr. Windle would fucking survive for years without a home. Oh, shit. So if your girl... You can't do a couple nights.
Starting point is 02:03:04 So in that instance, right? Your girl, y'all moved to California. Yes. You go there as the man to set up shop first. Right. Then she comes, right? So you want your family to come after. Of course.
Starting point is 02:03:16 All right, cool. So now they take... The moving people come. They pack all your shit up. They put it in the truck. Where's your girl stay? Home. In the house.
Starting point is 02:03:24 Where does she sleep? On the air mattress. Yeah. I have a couple of... of those there. Good joint. They got this shit now with the pillow top. She lost the price of a hotel for the night. Well, and they they got a... I just bought something from my house. They got a fridge
Starting point is 02:03:35 in that range rober. Oh, yeah. Let that seat back. It's a fridge back there. Yeah. He the seats. Nice and comfy. I'm gonna get my ass kick. What are you?
Starting point is 02:03:51 Me too. I'm getting cursed off of this shit. I'm getting fucked up. I risk it. Somebody segue us into like something something. Because this nigga fucking pranking the joke about his wife, man. I'm telling the truth. My wife was in New York last week. I don't like that, though.
Starting point is 02:04:04 I don't like she's a nice lady. She's a wonderful lady. That's why I trust her. Like if she's in New York for the night and she got a meet in the next day, I'm not coming to, don't drive all the way back to the crib. You know, when y'all, I see y'all had issue on this thing to get. When you're, invite me, nigga. No, no, no, no, no, listen.
Starting point is 02:04:19 Y'all. Enough. Enough. Enough of the bullshit. Now, we're playing games. Hey, that was cool. Have a fire. Respect.
Starting point is 02:04:26 I double. It's talking that shit, kicking knowledge. That's my man. Subs going on the way up to subscribe. But yo. You and Shaide ain't gonna come on? No, no, no, no, no, no. That's what we've been waiting for.
Starting point is 02:04:39 No, no, no, no. Invite me up there. Y'all have an open invitation. Whatever y'all want you. Invite your button up there to that in this thing together show so I can talk. Oh, you really come on? Yes.
Starting point is 02:04:47 What? I'm gonna text you. Invite me to come up there. You invited, we talked to recording Thursday. Oh, say less. All right. I get to ask questions back like it's did? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:56 Oh, okay. You ask whatever you want. Oh, great. Yo, you better be careful with you. You want black? It ain't live, nigger. I'm a joe button, everything that makes me look bad.
Starting point is 02:05:09 No, no, no, no. That doesn't work. Oh, man, that is funny, sir. Yeah, no. He killed it. And by the way, the subs are out through the roof. Check out in this thing together on Patreon. Yo, don't take a fucking sip when I compliment you, bitch.
Starting point is 02:05:23 Say thank you. This nigger is such a... Yeah, you were dope. You look good up there, nigger. Thank you, sir. You almost made you just subscribe. Almost. I'm a subscribe.
Starting point is 02:05:36 I'm going to subscribe. What are these days? One of these days. I'm going to do that, I like when you do that, I like when you go up there and just show the real you. Sean, yeah. He killed it, yo. It's really killed it, though. Hey, y'all, man, for me think about it.
Starting point is 02:05:48 And, Flip, you're welcome, too. Thank you. I appreciate that. Do you do a couple interviews? No, no, I don't. A couple, I come there a couple of times if you need to. You know your lady white? I said twice.
Starting point is 02:06:00 Nile ain't got no single out. What you said? Oh shit. What you said? Boy, how to hear you? Say it again, say to my face. Say it to my face, boy. I said Naila don't have a single out right now.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Stop bringing up Nala Blackman. That's my sister. I love. Of course. I'm always, I'm always bringing up Naila black men. And all of our sisters. And all of our sisters. All of our sisters.
Starting point is 02:06:24 Oh, your sisters too? Want some cis shit. Want some sis shit? Naila has met my wife. My wife is a fan. Naila is amazing. And I appreciate you for allowing me bringing her up here. That's what I.
Starting point is 02:06:36 And sharing her with the world. All right. Thank you. All right, Mark. Segway us to something fast. Before a grenade call. We did me. Jesus.
Starting point is 02:06:53 He did Neil's girlfriends. Nancy Guthrie is dead, but it was an accident. But I don't understand why they were still, why didn't they say this like a long time ago? Did they say this officially? They said, I read an article in CBS News, which is fairly reputable. That's the mom, right? That they said that the ransom note and a note came two days later from the same IP or whatever it was email. I think it was from the same IP address.
Starting point is 02:07:20 And the second note was saying that she passed. We didn't mean for it to happen, but she's gone. And this was obvious That's correct So why they ain't say None all this time For months I don't know
Starting point is 02:07:32 They dragged that I mean they ain't have proof though But I don't know This is why I'm confused Like why Why See that's proof to me What
Starting point is 02:07:41 Somebody say If the person Who got them If the person that was supposed To be in their bedroom Is not there And then And then somebody said
Starting point is 02:07:52 Yo We took We took out of We've got up out of there. They're the ones that sent the ransom note. And we want millions of dollars. Yeah. And we're going to take that serious.
Starting point is 02:08:00 And she's no longer away. And now she's gone. And if I look everywhere, look up, like if I say, if I was a mother, we would a mother be? Like, I was not there. She wasn't there. Like, I'm going to think there's some credence to these letters, that's all I'm saying. And we ain't seen a sense. Maybe this person know what they're talking about.
Starting point is 02:08:18 I got to hear how they accidentally killed Nancy Guthrie. Well, she was very old, though. yeah it doesn't take much to kill somebody's but I want to know what the accident was because they all right yo
Starting point is 02:08:30 what was that what he did yo this nigga is dark what he did yo that was fucking I'm not repeating that let me see you'll have to rewind
Starting point is 02:08:40 yo what fuck is robo hard huh rest and peace and Nancy Guthr if she's in fact gone but just to be clear Savannah still wants
Starting point is 02:08:50 help fighting her mouth yeah because she came with the body she came on it to The Today Show today and said, I love you guys, and I love this place. This is an unusual and unprecedented, to say the least, to be sitting here. I don't have any comment on the story, the one you just mentioned. And I'm not involved in the coverage, but I can't pretend I'm not here.
Starting point is 02:09:06 And so, since I just want to take the opportunity to ask people to really, to beg people to come forward. Somebody knows something, and this is a new story today that's on your radar, but this is the life that my sister lives, that I live, that my brother lives, that our extended families live, that our children live every day. and we are in agony, we cannot be at peace. So she's begging people to come forward to help her find her mom and to figure out what's going on. I ain't going to lie. If I was the kidnapper and had the mom
Starting point is 02:09:30 in the back room, that speech wouldn't make me go back there and I'm tired. You said it would or would not? Would not. Oh, yeah. Nothing you just read is going to make me go back there. All right, come on. Let me send you back.
Starting point is 02:09:42 Well, no, if she's gone, rest of peace, I don't want to sound insensitive. But if I'm the kidnapper and she's gone and she just passed from maybe a heart something or something. she's older, and they already have my IP address. I'm not about to risk putting myself out there to return you the body of... Well, the ransom note says if you give me $4 million, then I'll return the body.
Starting point is 02:10:03 Did they pay anything? Not to my knowledge, but I'm not in the kidnappers inner circle. That must be a hell of a quagmire. If you kidnap somebody, any diet natural causes on your watch? Right. Like, you're still going to get charged for that. That's what I'm saying. You're not just getting charged with kidnapping, so now they've got to make some tough decision.
Starting point is 02:10:20 What do you think is she? What'd you think? Huh? What do you think? Antoine Marva, what do you think? Thoughts and prayers. Yeah, thoughts and prayers, man. Shout out to her.
Starting point is 02:10:31 That is a painful thing, though. Yeah, it is for sure. I can't even imagine. It's very fucked up. If someone's stole my mom, I don't even know what I would do. Yo, can you fucking stop, bro? You got the chain, nigga. Like, God damn.
Starting point is 02:10:47 I don't care about the chain? Stop doing that shit, bro. Talk about your family and this shit. Stelling your ass for the chain. Who are you talking about? So I'm just putting your family. I'm not just working my family? Hey, you just spend the mom in love,
Starting point is 02:10:56 I would be, I would be devastated if somebody kidnapped my mom and told him I had to pay $4 million. Would you pay it? Hmm? I don't have $4 million. What'd you pay it? I called Joe, if Joe confronted.
Starting point is 02:11:09 Have I met your mom? No. That's the question. That's the question he asked. I haven't met you. He's like, I might not even like your mom. At least got to meet the lady. It's fair.
Starting point is 02:11:22 I did my best. You're so dumb. You're crazy. You're crazy. You're Mark is nice. What else? What else? What else?
Starting point is 02:11:29 Absolutely. So I think that we couldn't solve the Savannah Guthrie mystery. No, we're doing. Mystery. No, we try. But we were able successfully in the last 48 hours to solve the Jay-Z hair controversy. Oh, that's true. The internet.
Starting point is 02:11:42 And I'm actually happy this happened. So about two days ago, I think Beyonce is the one who released it. But it's certainly, it's a mini documentary about Jay's hair and the transition from his locks to blowing out the fro. So Beyonce is narrating it. She's doing the voiceover, and she's telling the story of how that happened and why. In the documentary, she talks about why Jay-Z initially got the locks. His daughter, right? Which was for Blue Ivy, who wasn't feeling as confident about her hair as they wanted her to,
Starting point is 02:12:11 and they wanted her to love every aspect of herself. So Jay is a kind of sign of solidarity and love. Fire. Yeah, he did that with his hair, which I think is dope. And then for the transition for the Roots Picnic, They showed the transition, and she said she was worried it wouldn't come out, but it did, and they showed the whole process. I love it for a couple reasons. One, I love what he did for his daughter.
Starting point is 02:12:30 I think that's a beautiful thing. I also... Love the capitalism of it all? You said? Love the capitalism of a doll? Which part? It's a commercial. Oh, I mean, I don't love that part.
Starting point is 02:12:43 No, I mean, but we live in a world with commercials. It would be selective to say... I like that part. You always been anti-J.'sies capitalism, so I was curious how you felt about it. this capitalism. I'm anti-all capitalism, but I work on a show that has advertisements. I say prize picks every day. It's not like, you know.
Starting point is 02:12:59 Not every day, but. Since I started playing, since I started making the money, you ain't, prize bets! I mean, beat my chest for prize bets. Yeah, because when you first came here, you were standing on the hill. I think it was quiet.
Starting point is 02:13:09 Yeah. That nigger wouldn't say that prize picks, boy. Well, I wasn't getting the prize picks resources either. You know, I wasn't being paid. But once I got that right, you know. Found my voice. When I was playing over that balcony, yeah, I was good. But, you know, I'm not, I'm anti-capital.
Starting point is 02:13:24 You know, Mark, do you imagine how much more money you would make if you just came out and said, yo, a small part of me is down with it all? He is down with it. He's definitely going to say it. No, I do say that. If he says it, I think that nigger money go all the way up. But I'm just not willing to do what it takes for it to go all the way up. There's certain things that I'm not willing to do.
Starting point is 02:13:40 Like grow dreads and then get them. See, I don't think Jay did that for capitalism. I think I don't think he did that for, I think he did that for his daughter. I believe it. I believe that for it, I believe it too. I believe it too. You know, and I think a lot of shit just tie up, like, coincident. Like, all right, well, since we're going to do this, we can also.
Starting point is 02:13:56 There's a profit here. We got a company. And that's the part that I don't love, but I don't, you know, you can't avoid that. If Warren Buffett saves somebody from a burning building, I wouldn't like not be like, I wouldn't be like. But then he just happened to buy the block. Yeah. Right. Now, did he own the building?
Starting point is 02:14:10 Right. But the act itself is fine. And so I love the beauty of this part of it. I love the story of it. But I also love the fact that the Internet makes up shit. They just make shit up. And I love the fact that Because everybody I'm saying
Starting point is 02:14:22 Those locks are real We shouldn't even care about I know I really didn't care But it's just it's a reminder that People make shit up Yes And most of the time Jay Z and Beyonce don't respond
Starting point is 02:14:32 To the shit that people make up So people just assume Well if you didn't respond It must be true So this is just an opportunity to say You know what They still responding Making shit up even with this
Starting point is 02:14:41 They're saying that's a lace For it he got on You can't fucking win man There's people like Yo listen dog First they're going by his age there's not a gray strand in sight. Then they were saying,
Starting point is 02:14:52 something else I saw a couple of people that have men that have longer hair. It was like, yo, there's no way the hair here is the exact same length as this one here. Your hair grows differently, all that type of shit. That's the lace front.
Starting point is 02:15:04 Like, they're running with it. Some people, you just can't, you can't prove it to them. Like, they're going to have their thoughts. And no matter what you say or show them, it don't matter. They're going to believe what they want to believe and that's it.
Starting point is 02:15:19 And it's a lot of them. them, especially right now, it's kind of little, I don't know if it's like the tide is turning, but like Hull was like universally loved and it seems a lot of that is changing, so people are looking for anything to attack him over
Starting point is 02:15:33 now and they're riding with it and they like hammering any point they can find. And that's the part I don't actually like because there are legitimate points of criticism that we should have and then there's a bunch of shit that like his hair, whether it's a wig or not that they're stupid. And they all get
Starting point is 02:15:49 mix into the same pot, you know, and it's like, it almost cheapens the other critiques, and it takes the weight away from the stuff that we should be saying about people, you know, I don't like that. We saw that with Nikki, right? There are things that be critical of Nikki, and then people are saying mean things about our kids. It's like, well, let's not do that. Like, that's personal, that's mean, that's not okay. We can have principal disagreements with people, and it all gets thrown into the pot.
Starting point is 02:16:10 I think some of it is just generational. Like, now there's not the, we have a reverence for our generation's artists, and the next generation be like, fuck them. Yeah, true. And they look like, every generation does that. And that's what happens, because we keep pushing. I mean, a lot of us are like, nah, whoever y'all name and it don't matter, Jayz's the goat.
Starting point is 02:16:25 A lot of times they get a little tired of that. I'm like, yo, fuck y'all. Fuck your goat. And that's how you end up with niggas disrespect and Marvin Gay. Honestly. That part. And Barry Gordy. That was crazy. And Barry Gordy.
Starting point is 02:16:37 I'm about to buy some Beyonce shampoo, though, man. I'm sold. I don't see if that show. I didn't even watch the end of it. What is the product being sold? No, I'm not being funny. She sounds like a bunch of shampoo. Yeah, she got a hair car.
Starting point is 02:16:47 Yeah. Got it. And that's what they're saying he used to do. Yes. To help his hair grow. Yep. I didn't watch it today and I ain't going to lie. I just saw, once I heard the shit about blue, I was like, my heart was tugged and I was done.
Starting point is 02:16:58 We got you all. Yeah, they got it. They showed them taking the locks out and all that. I saw something to combing up. I didn't. We got it. We got it, Joe. We got it on Jay's hair.
Starting point is 02:17:07 Thank you. What you got, Joe? Oh, old's hair. Now, this really should have went in hour one. But I waited. When I tell you, don't. Dog, that shit that the sheep stealer did. I hate you.
Starting point is 02:17:25 Let me find out you're a throny now. Dog. Oh. The sheep stealer, he ain't come to play. Nah, no, no, at all. He didn't know what the fuck. He didn't come to play at all. Show me a video.
Starting point is 02:17:38 Listen, I got to pull it up. Now, listen, this might be the meanest dragon that we've ever seen on House of Dragon. No, he's a little special, it's a thing. And Raina? He got the underbite. Yeah. But the way rain...
Starting point is 02:17:52 All right, man. I'm serious. Y'all ain't see it? I did. If you're only all right, I won't spoil it for people, but... That shit came on the same time. Season three, season three, a House of Dragons. It's out.
Starting point is 02:18:08 It's out. Not only is it out, but many people are saying that that was one of the greatest House of Dragons episodes that they had ever seen. It probably is the best, actually. Yeah, they said that that... It hasn't been... It hasn't been good. So, yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:21 So... Yeah, but I saw people saying that season... That first episode could have been the season finale of the main shit and everybody would have been happy. If it was the same quality. Yeah, yeah. That's possible. They did a lot. I didn't see it.
Starting point is 02:18:36 You got to see it when Sleep Steeler coming. Sheep. I mean, sheepstealer. Sheep steal. Sleep up, man. Seriously. You didn't watch it. Are you with their own?
Starting point is 02:18:44 He's a feral dragon. I didn't watch me. You can't just... Brain in the Pharaoh dragon. Yes. He ain't watched that shit, bro. I'm telling you, I watched it. You might don't believe you.
Starting point is 02:18:52 I watched it. All right, but you don't know what they's, what's going on. So? There's a little recap at the beginning. Catch you. Yeah, I'm going to get the fuck out of here. I watched all two seasons before this, and I still don't know what's going on. I got to watch the recap.
Starting point is 02:19:04 Yeah, you got to watch the recap. Yeah, you got to watch the recap every time. I look up the family trees and shit every time. A year or a year or two between seasons. You forget what the fuck happened. I love the recap. You got to have a recap. I love the recap.
Starting point is 02:19:13 I love the recap. Anything I watch, I got to have a reticant. Is that his mom that he's kissing? If a fuck, it is his mom that he's kissing. God damn, this is weird. God damn it. Back to the instance. If more than a week pass, I forgot whatever was on the last episode.
Starting point is 02:19:25 I did. You watch too much shit. Especially with Game of Thrones. That's just, damn near a different language. I'm going to go back and watch the fucking Jared from Subway Doc just because the one from 2023. I am. That's it. Just guns.
Starting point is 02:19:41 I hear you, bro. Three episodes. I think he's home. I think he's home. He better not be on. We're pulling up. I think he's on. We're getting him off the streets.
Starting point is 02:19:49 If he's on. Get him off. Get him out of here, Jared. What else? What else? What else? We ran through me. Fulio's killers all sentenced. I happen to see the video of the young man
Starting point is 02:20:00 pleading with the judge saying that he thinks his life sentence was too harsh, considering he had the same role in the crime as the, as he did. That bug, man. did call her his girlfriend. He called this girl. And then the judge was like, well, I don't know if this is your current, if this is your former. But apparently she got 15 years. She got 15 for manslaughter.
Starting point is 02:20:25 He gets life. But he was tried with the whole crew. And that was part of what he was saying to the judge. Listen, I feel like injustice has been done for the same exact role. I got a way harsher penalty. And I feel like I'm being penalized because my group, I was, I was, uh, I was on trial with my group. They did a lot of bullshit. They got life, so I feel like I get life. And I feel like the destination played a part because we were here and then she was wherever she was. But he laid out a case that sounded strong until the judge started talking like,
Starting point is 02:21:00 yo, dog, I don't get a fuck about what you said. None of it. You're done. They said from the rip. They said from the rip that they didn't play that shit. Like, again, they traveled up there to Tampa to do that. And even the police department, they were, they took that. That shit super serious was like,
Starting point is 02:21:14 yo, we're not having that up here. Like, we're gonna make examples out of everybody. Don't bring that shit up here. Whatever y'all got going, keep it down there. So that whole- Kill each other and Jumble, you know. Yeah, yeah. Not coming up here with that shit.
Starting point is 02:21:28 They tried to make examples out of all of them. I heard the sincerity in his voice, though, when he started appealing to the people from their hood. He's like, yo, bro. Yeah, the shit ain't worth it. That shit ain't worth it. He's like, yo, we're killing each other. We doing this stuff.
Starting point is 02:21:41 We doing that stuff. the only person that's going to support you is your mother. And maybe a friend. He was like, yo, it's just not worth it. So I saw, I only saw three of them. One of them seemed like he didn't give a fuck. But the light skin kid that had the turtleneck on and Homeboy just now, honestly, they seem like they was decent kids.
Starting point is 02:22:05 You know what I'm saying? And we just be getting caught up in the street shit and what we think is cool and what the neighborhood is saying and what these rights. rap songs are saying, and it's making these little motherfuckers go do dumb shit, these kids sound like decent kids if you took them out of whatever they was going on. Even though they...
Starting point is 02:22:22 Yeah, that's where he's losing. They're decent kids until the murder. They're not decent kids. He's trying to say that they grew up in a good house. Yeah, but it's easy. It's easier. They had better opportunities than others. It's easier than, that's what I think he said.
Starting point is 02:22:35 What's easier to get to not go shoot a eye? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What the fuck are we doing? Look. What's easier said to this? What I'm trying to say is I could see a world where a good kid following behind somebody gets in the car with them and go do some bullshit with them. That might not be of his normal character. And now you got to deal with the consequences of that.
Starting point is 02:22:58 One of the dudes there, I think that was, I think, I think, Fulio, I could be wrong here, has something to do with his cousin being killed or something. One of them niggas there was on time. And he showed no remorse. He knew what it was. He's just waiting to go, yo, send me up. Like, yeah, I did it. Like, the whole trial.
Starting point is 02:23:18 And you could see a person like that maybe recruiting some people to, yo, come on, come slide with me. And they might have just been, I don't know these niggas, but just seeing the lack of remorse and then seeing these niggas look like, oh shit, I made a mistake where one nigga was like, nah, this wasn't a mistake. I knew what I came to do.
Starting point is 02:23:36 I knew what came with it. Sign me up. It is what it is. Him I'm not talking about. I saw that. He feels vindicated in his mind. He did exactly what he meant to go out there and do. So I'm not really talking about him.
Starting point is 02:23:48 But you can get people that might not understand the gravity of all that shit. Yo, come on, we get ready to do this. Come with me, whatever. Are you trying to get down? Bet you want to get down? Come do this. And they might not have been built for that. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 02:24:00 I'm just not calling that kid a good kid once he makes that decision. Agreed. You're not a good kid. Your man talks you into not only getting in the car to go kill this little, young nigga on the night of his birthday, but if we're taking all details into account, y'all stalked the kid for fucking ages. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:21 Yeah, they did it. Good is just not the adjective that comes to mind with this type of story. You could be right. No matter how Homeboy voice sound, I'm watching the shit and all I could look at was his arms. All I could look at was his arms. So no matter how his voice sounded,
Starting point is 02:24:36 I'm looking at his arms. And I'm like, yeah, this is the kid. They got to go grab a gun or somebody do something to him. He ain't, you know, it looked like he got nothing. Nothing. That's how you look. That's what my mind went. I think what Freeze is talking about is the kid that, that, that, that you just riding with your cousin and you just happen to do something.
Starting point is 02:24:53 Oh, no, I think that we just place. Okay, but that's not what happened here. Okay. You wasn't just riding and unbeknownst to you, a nigga, a nigga pulled out and just started killing somebody. That's not this case. True. I'm only talking about this specific case. I'm not going to these kids, good kids.
Starting point is 02:25:07 This is fucking terrorists. I think that, I think, not a bad point. I just think that we minimize these issues in these communities so easily that until that shit really hit you, like, y'all, I just killed somebody and I'm looking at life in prison and I'm never going to see my family. I'm never going to see my friends. I'm never going to see all that shit. The shit that we took with a grain of salt really ain't to be taken with a grain of salt.
Starting point is 02:25:31 It's some real, real, real consequences behind that. To you see somebody's family crying in the courtroom that you did something to their kid, that shit hits differently. And again, when you listen to these rap songs and you're seeing all of this shit, it don't really, really, really paint a real picture of what's going on in our environments. And some of these kids could be
Starting point is 02:25:49 little corny-ass schoolboy kids that just involved in the neighborhood shit. And unfortunately, the neighborhood shit be beating niggas up and shooting niggas. Then you're not a good kid. All right, cool. Then you're not a good kid. Cool.
Starting point is 02:26:03 You can be a good kid and change overnight. Wait, what did you say? You can be a good kid and change overnight. That happened. You can have good grades. You can have, you can live your life, being respectful to your parents,
Starting point is 02:26:16 and you can get picked on and then change overnight. That doesn't take away the fact that you was a good kid. Oh, was it's past tense. The second the change occurs, you're not a good kid. You can't call them.
Starting point is 02:26:26 I see what you said. You're not a good kid. Maybe that's the question. Maybe I'm not. I'm not. I'm kind of, yeah. Somebody that's not getting,
Starting point is 02:26:32 somebody that's not murdering people, down with the murder for hire, putting money on somebody's head to be murdered. stalking someone to be murdered. Or prepared to murder. Yeah, I'm dead. Sorry, I hear you. I understand.
Starting point is 02:26:47 There's other, to your point, there's other adjectives. There's probably better adjectives. Misguided. Lost. Sad, unfortunate situation. There's a lot of things that you could say, but good kid, I have to agree. You're not a good kid. You're not a good kid.
Starting point is 02:26:59 It doesn't sound. That's all I'm saying. Because I'm saying you could have been a good kid and then have gotten. That was me. I was a good kid in Jersey City, 20 billion years ago. And whenever the crowd went over here and we was trying to be block versus blah,
Starting point is 02:27:12 all right, I'll run over here, we'll fucking beat this kid up. All right, you punching him in the face and over here? All right, we'll jump on him. Guess what? Once those things start happening, I ain't a good kid. I'm not a good kid.
Starting point is 02:27:21 I don't give a fuck what my mom's friends thought about me. I'm in the streets as a menace. I think that's a challenge sometimes as that, like, as parents or as adults, elders, we remember the best part to you and we see the best part to you. A lot of people have no idea who their kids are
Starting point is 02:27:35 when he walk outside that house. you know we you still think oh that's my baby and sometimes the babies like like sam jackson said in port and uh what was it juice i know a lot of kids i know a lot of kids since they were killers yeah yeah killers since they were kids exactly like sometimes you got remember that too i real quick and i'm gonna i do want to get off this subject i'm familiar with a situation with a kid who was good and his brother got killed i mean it's and he overnight changed and he vowed to get vengeance for the, you know,
Starting point is 02:28:09 to the person that killed his brother. Then after that, he just kept on going and going and going. I mean, shit. That was the trigger point for him. You listen to Vaughn's music. That's kind of what he said. He saw his best friend get killed in front of him. He said, that turned me in that moment, I snapped.
Starting point is 02:28:25 And that turned me into something else. Now King Vaughn's name is made his way. No, I'm just talking about people that speak on this shit to Flip's point. Are you niggas cream? You don't know where the fuck you came from, bro. You had like people who shit don't happen. that cause motherfuckers just go the other way.
Starting point is 02:28:39 You disagree with what he said. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. You don't know what we're saying. You know exactly what we're saying. King Vaughn wasn't a good kid. We don't know anything about him. We know enough to say he wasn't never a good kid. You can't say never.
Starting point is 02:28:50 That's the point. You don't know him fired until the shit. You don't know that. He saw his friend died and the dean was born. Then he killed 39 niggas. Got it. Got it. Listen, I'm unconditioning myself in some of this stupid hip-hop shit.
Starting point is 02:29:03 You all want to carry him? I'm not even talking about hip-hop shit. King Vaugh was a good kid. I never said King Vaughn was a good kid. Safe to assume. You're putting words in people's mouths. Nobody said that. We're just saying, I'm speaking to him specifically saying something he saw changed him.
Starting point is 02:29:17 Same thing Flip was saying that where the dude's brother got killed. And in that moment, it changed him and then he became something else. I'm saying to you, I think King Vaughn, in that story, it's full of shit. King Vaughn is full of absolute shit. May he rest in peace, one of great artists. So do you think he was a bad kid from the work? I saw something happen. and then the demon was born.
Starting point is 02:29:37 No, you was doing bad shit and seeing something bad happened. You wasn't just where you were supposed to be, just straight-A student, and then you've seen something bad. There's plenty of people that had something tragic. That didn't happen to him. There's plenty of people that go through something tragic and don't go out and murder a bunch of people.
Starting point is 02:29:52 Yeah, like, what does that do? I don't get it. Here's the part I'm trying to understand. How? Because everybody, because you wouldn't say that if it was a different trigger. Like, some people trigger, and they go left, Some people get triggered and go right.
Starting point is 02:30:07 You can't necessarily say that because they pick Left that... If Left is murdering a bunch of people, yeah. I'm saying for whatever it is. I hear what he's saying. For whatever it is. He's saying that the fact that some people have awful things happen and don't turn out bad doesn't disprove the idea that the thing bad that happened made some people go the other way. Just like some people get abused and become super abusive or some people around alcoholic and they become drug addicts.
Starting point is 02:30:31 And some never touch it. One doesn't disprove the other. It's just different people have the same. different reactions to the same shit. I also think there's situations where actual good kids get caught in situations that they might not have even been in the car with the murder or knowing a murder happened. I've known people that I grew up with that went through this. Those are good kids that got caught in a bad situation and got their life fucked up.
Starting point is 02:30:50 Let's save the good kid tag for those people. Okay. Not the people that. Like I said, we wasn't much people. We wasn't calling them good kids. I didn't call Vaughn a good kid. He didn't call, um, dude a good kid. You just saying that something happened and they put them on a different path.
Starting point is 02:31:04 I never said he was a good kid I don't know that niggins childhood To know what he wasn't worth it. Different path implies That before you went to different path It might not have been that path Was happening It might not have been that path though bro
Starting point is 02:31:17 We can't say that It might not have been I'm going out to murder a bunch of motherfuckers I might not have been the best I could have been a gang member I could have just been doing shit for my I could have been selling drugs I'm saying
Starting point is 02:31:29 Don't necessarily mean I'm out here Killing a bunch of niggas Until I saw somebody that I love Got murdered right in front of me and now I'm cold blooded. Now I got to go get back for him and now that shit woke something else up in me and now I'm out here laying my fuck us down. Now it's just a circle effect where because I did something to this person they coming back coming at me so now it's just a literal thing to happen like that and the one thing that sparked at all could I'm not
Starting point is 02:31:53 saying it did it could have been him seeing somebody get murdered in front of him that he loved it's a possibility bro. Joe he's a possibility for you everything in the world is a possibility. It's the only part I'm not getting, because I hear you that everybody was an angel before they became this other thing. Are you then saying that some people are just born bad? Yeah, you are who you are? There some kids are just, because they were never a good kid. I don't know if I'm saying that.
Starting point is 02:32:19 Because the thing is, if they weren't, if they were never a good kid, then it means they were always not a good kid. That's what I'm saying. So it's to be a moment. I think there are some people that are born bad, by the way. There's some people that have been raised in perfectly normal, non-traumatic situations that or fucking murderers and monsters. I think that does exist.
Starting point is 02:32:36 That's why I'm asking. I'm trying to get a sense of how y'all see this. I don't have a dog in the fight. I was just curious to know. Because if you weren't a good kid who became a bad kid at some point, then you had to always be a bad kid, right? I think there's something in you
Starting point is 02:32:47 before you even get here that will determine how you respond to certain stimuluses. So depending on the type of person that you are, it could affect you positively or negatively. That same trauma could happen to two people, but depending on who they are inside, their reactions to that are totally different. I'm not about that, too.
Starting point is 02:33:08 Yeah, I agree with that. Some people just are not the most empathetic people. And when the world sees what your reaction is to some things, then you may not be a good kid anymore. That's true. But true, anymore. It sounds like y'all just disagree about when and where the... No, that was your eyes.
Starting point is 02:33:28 I disagree about everything about that. I disagree about every single thing that these people have said on this time. I don't think King Vaughn was a good kid. I don't think that... Joe, nobody said good kids. You're implying it, though, when you say he saw someone die and that's when the demon was... I wasn't a murderer. Don't mean I was a good kid.
Starting point is 02:33:45 High school kids. That's all good. Enliss in the service goes to Vietnam. Kills a whole bunch of people in Vietnam. Now he comes back, totally changed than he was before he went to Vietnam. He was a murderer's whole life? Or did something trigger him, some stimulus that he saw and that he witnessed and that he lived through changed him forever? Good one.
Starting point is 02:34:03 That is a good one. I don't have a retort. I do think that if you sign up to go to war, you're some level okay with murdering people at some point in your life. What if you got drafted? About a Vietnamese. Oh, that's a different conversation. Yeah, that's a different conversation.
Starting point is 02:34:16 When he comes back and the draft changes him, nobody should say, he's a good joke. That's all that's it. That's all I got. That's all I got. We did it. We did it.
Starting point is 02:34:31 Who else is good? me more the Charles Manson you know I gotta no I gotta hear your list man nobody said the list of good people not a soul said he will paint that
Starting point is 02:34:47 the Long Island murder god damn he was good when he was four that's what they say though when the parents do the documentary when they do the voiceovers they say how great they were as a kid I never believed the parent
Starting point is 02:34:59 when they come on there with these lies had an argument for freeing those brothers from California. Melendez. Who have been in this, brothers? Yeah. Most of the cast up here,
Starting point is 02:35:08 I can't remember specifically who said it. It was like, yeah, I think there's a world where they got traumatized by their parents and they should be free. A lot of people up here said,
Starting point is 02:35:18 I think I did say it. Well, I think they should be free. They also serve 30 or 40 years. Yeah, I think they should be free because, yeah, they've been there. 30 years. They did it. They did it.
Starting point is 02:35:27 They did it. It's a little bit. before. Okay. That ain't saying I think they're good people. I just think they should come out. We're doing a hell of a job.
Starting point is 02:35:41 You don't feel like there's any gangsters out here or killers out here that would, that's good people. Yes. Yes. That's a new question. Yes, I do. So once they kill somebody, they're no longer a good person, per your logic.
Starting point is 02:35:55 We know some good. I think there are situations in which you can kill someone and still be a good person. We know they're good. We're going to move this shit all around the world. I think people can kill somebody and still be a good person. In the context of the conversation we are
Starting point is 02:36:09 having, I don't think that exists. He's talking about the stalking part. He's talking about dedicating your time to kill this person. I get what he's saying. Stalking intentionally murdering someone. And King Vaughn. Throw him in whatever gumbo you make. I don't know why he's trolling you. Now he's trolling you.
Starting point is 02:36:27 I know. I'm not trying to. No, he's serious. I'm not trying to throw him. I promise you I'm not trying to throw ice right now. Well, you are because I never said King Vaughn was a good kid. I never imply a good kid. But every time I say throw King Vaughan in the gumbo, I'm not just talking to you. Well, you keep. It's just funny now. What's it funny? Not you. Got it, Joe. You cuckoo y'all. You cuckoo y'all. Sorry, so what makes King Vaugh? I'm a good kid. I'm a good kid. Look, look what they call real good kid. Coooooooo. That's funny. A real good kid is cuckoo. All right, let's see. What else? What else? What else? Floyd is pop. We knew he was popped. Fulio. Y'all get like.
Starting point is 02:37:05 That was a stupid murder plan. It ain't just to avoid his pop, Joe, is that he caught some felony charges now, or one felony charge or one felony case, and then there's other issue, right? One is that they're saying he took money for the Mike Tyson fight. And the Paci-L fight. And the Pac-Yal fight. And the kind of didn't give it back and it kind of bounced. Then there's the bad check allegation, over $200,000 a bad check.
Starting point is 02:37:29 That's for the watch, right? For the watch, where he wrote a check for a watch, wasn't a good check. My man asked for the watch back, didn't give it back. It's been over a year. My man finally said, yo, I got to do something about this. Like, one, I thought you were wrong on this initially. You thought he wasn't pop?
Starting point is 02:37:47 I underestimated the extent to it. You know, sometimes people aren't liquid. Right. He's starting to make moves that aren't just like, I'm not liquid. It's like... Popped. He's pretty, yeah, like... He's suing his own people's for...
Starting point is 02:38:01 Team. His team. What was it, 300 million or something? A lot. It's a lot. of money that he said, yo, was taken without me knowing. So if I think I got certain bread and it ain't there and I found out y'all got it and I got expensive lifestyle, you might be really fucked up now. Is it hard to have sympathy for Floyd?
Starting point is 02:38:18 For me it is. It's not for me. It's not for me. It's not for me. I struggle. I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just saying when I watch his, watching how he's lived over the last 20, the flamboyance, the money, it's just hard.
Starting point is 02:38:32 When I watch people, I watch people get robbed of their money. right there's a way that he moves with money that makes it harder for me to feel sympathetic and I'm not saying it's fair
Starting point is 02:38:41 I'm just saying I'm not fair at all I'm stipulating I don't I'm not saying this is fair but you're saying how you personally feel
Starting point is 02:38:47 about yeah that yeah it's like when I watch something like fuck you poor people and then they get they lose their money I don't have as much sympathy
Starting point is 02:38:53 you know what I mean it's just harder for me you know but I still think it's unfortunate and I feel bad and I also don't know that he got right I hope it's true
Starting point is 02:38:59 that he didn't just mismanage his money that you know there's some recourse so he can get his money back. But even if he did. Yeah, I feel bad for. Do you know Floyd have ever said?
Starting point is 02:39:07 That's what I was, yo, you took the words out of my mouth. Just because I live a flamboyant lifestyle, I don't mean I'm necessarily saying put my middle finger up to people that are poor. Actually, I might have seen the exact opposite. I meant Floyd, when he's in giving mode, that nigga was going his pocket and gave and gave $10,000,
Starting point is 02:39:25 $5,000 like a stuff. Yeah, he gave a lot to a lot of people. Change a lot of lives. I don't mean he literally said, fuck you poor people. I'm saying when you walk around like, through actions. I don't see how y'all could go and
Starting point is 02:39:33 vacation with less than 12 watches. I don't see... That was all part of a character no more. Yeah, and I'm saying that character for me doesn't incur sympathy. Okay.
Starting point is 02:39:41 So let me... I'm just saying for me. I think we lose track sometimes. I think that... Floyd was a good kid, man. It's levels to a bunch of shit, right? It's levels to a bunch of shit. So, and this is where
Starting point is 02:39:53 we get caught up in our billionaire conversation or our ultra-rich conversation. That's like somebody saying, yo, I have empathy for Mark if he hits a bad patch, because Mark got 300 pairs of sneakers and that's obsessive and he don't need 300 pairs of sneakers.
Starting point is 02:40:09 But again, Mark is wired different. But again, but here's the thing is, I'm not saying I don't have sympathy because he has a lot of stuff. I'm saying it's the flaunting of it
Starting point is 02:40:18 that makes me less sympathetic. If I walked over, came on TV every day and said, y'all niggas wearing the same pair of sneakers twice. Fuck y'all. And then one day all my sneakers got stolen,
Starting point is 02:40:27 I wouldn't expect you to have sympathy for me even if. But that's part of my... It's wrong. It's my... My carriage. That's part of my jeans. job to actually be this person.
Starting point is 02:40:34 Yes, you're just explaining why. He doesn't. I'm just saying it. It just makes me less sympathetic. And a lot of people who are like that too. Let me ask you a question. No, Mark, real quick. Who's the guy that said it was good for Muhammad Ali? The guy that Muhammad Ali made jokes about?
Starting point is 02:40:50 Frazier. Do you agree that Frazier said that he made all those jokes about me and then look who can't talk or whatever? Do you agree with that? No matter what Muhammad Ali did for the people, no matter what he stood for, no matter where he was at, still for black people he was out there on the front lines Joe Frazier ended up saying that about him
Starting point is 02:41:06 oh he said I was the all word now look who is that look who can't speak yeah do you agree with Joe Frazier He does have a right to say He does have a right to say but I agree with that sentence What I would say is to Joe Frazier is like I don't agree that you deserved it
Starting point is 02:41:20 and I think it's wrong if that happened to you but I can understand how Joe Frazier who's on the business end of those jokes wouldn't have as much sympathy for Muhammad Ali as somebody else as he would for George Foreman It's the same thing I'll be saying about how certain people look at Wendy Williams. Perfect example.
Starting point is 02:41:35 Like, do we think what's happening to her is a good thing? No, but there are a lot of people that's like, because of the way she built her brand. If Wendy Williams ruined your life, it's okay to say, I don't have as much sympathy for her as they should. I hate that people with bad hearts get brought up so much in these type of conversations. Yo, listen to this. Not just that.
Starting point is 02:41:52 Floyd not out here just ridiculing people and making their life live in hell because I'm rejoicing in the things that my craft has afforded me. See, I think a lot of people are. That's not a good parallel. Wendy Williams was doing mean shit to people and saying mean shit to people. Cool. Floyd Mayweather is out here saying,
Starting point is 02:42:07 yo, I'm rich, look. Yeah, but they're different. Here's the thing. I'm not saying that the parallel isn't that they both did something unethical.
Starting point is 02:42:14 It's that one has a consequence to the other. So for me, if Floyd is flaunting money and showing ridiculous spending, and then you broke after showing ridiculous spending. I don't feel happy for it. I don't, I didn't say I feel happy.
Starting point is 02:42:26 I don't feel less. I don't, I still have empathy for him. And that's great. But what I feel bad. I'm saying is I find myself having less empathy for someone who has shown what I've perceived to be reckless spending and flaunting
Starting point is 02:42:36 than someone who didn't. I get that. I just do, you know, and I'm okay with that. You know, again, I'm... Now, if I find out that he was robbed, that's different. I have, I don't want, no ethnic you should deserve to get robbed, and boxers seem to get robbed a lot. But his story is that he was robbed.
Starting point is 02:42:52 And I said, if it is true, then I want him to get justice for that. I want, in fact, I remember, I started with... So shouldn't you be... It sounds like he don't believe that he was robbed. I just said I hope that that is the case so that he could have recourse and get his money back regardless of how he spends it's his money but what I'm saying is is that in general I it's harder for me to muster sympathy for someone who has who has who is shown reckless spending
Starting point is 02:43:15 than it is for someone who has not it's hard for me to show sympathy when somebody's committed some type of heinous crime but a nigger bragging that he got a shit ton of money no a nigger from the bottom no a nigger from the bottom I'm not holding that against for Neither am I. That's, you're misrepresenting my point. My issue is... But you all lend it against them, Mark? That he beat the odds and came from the bottom?
Starting point is 02:43:39 No. I'm holding up there. If you buy 17... If you buy 12 watches, if you say I have to wear a different watch every day. I have 75 cars, yes. If you are... If that person goes broke... Again, not broke from being robbed.
Starting point is 02:43:51 Because we're mixing two different things. Broke from... I don't care if you throw your money... If you burn your money in the trash can and somebody steals, I have sympathy for you having been right, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you are broke because you recklessly spent and I see that image, right?
Starting point is 02:44:04 And I watch the world have to watch that and I watch the impact that has on people, particularly people who won't end up with that kind of money, right? If I see all of that, I'm less sympathetic to that than the person. This is back to the Brandon Marshall thing where you was like, you have a problem but you're putting that online. So it's not the fact that Floyd purchases 50,000 watches.
Starting point is 02:44:21 It's the fact that it's online that we know about it. I'm showing it. I'm bragging with it. There's two pieces to it. Yes, there's two pieces. One is the flaunting of it. That does make me less sympathetic. That's why I started with.
Starting point is 02:44:33 And then there's also the flaunting of it. What he's flaunting is reckless spending. He's not just saying, here's my bank account. Here's my money. Here's my investments. I would, that would be a little bit different to me. I only don't like that because somebody on the bottom, somebody on a lower wrong than you could always look up and say that.
Starting point is 02:44:50 That's what I said. That's always Apple. And I'd be okay with that. Yeah, he's with that. I'm okay with that. If I went through right now and said, I'm with that. But his shoe examples of. perfect example. If I was broken, they said, I don't
Starting point is 02:45:00 got a simple. They have a knick, Nick, Nick. They got three hundred sneakers. That would make sense to me. That's that rich people's sentiment. It's the same. It runs all in that same vein. Because having 300 pairs sneakers is reckless. It's irresponsible. Who dictates? It's excessive. How about this? It's excessive.
Starting point is 02:45:16 It could be excessive. Yes. I wouldn't call it reckless or irresponsible. You don't deserve hardship because you live in an excessive man. I don't think you deserve it. This is where you take what I'm saying and add another letter to it. You don't deserve sympathy. I didn't say you don't deserve sympathy He just said he doesn't have the sympathy
Starting point is 02:45:32 And I start and I stipulated This is where our arguments go weird I stipulated I'm not saying this is fair And then we have a whole conversation You all trying to convince me How unfair it is I agree it's not fair
Starting point is 02:45:42 I began with that I'm just telling you why I feel that way Got it got you got you got you that's it You're a cold You're a cold You're a cool man For what you stand for And you call y'all
Starting point is 02:45:54 It's consistent with what I stand for It is Well yeah I guess kind of Oh, bloodied. That nick's cold. But I was a good kid. He's cold.
Starting point is 02:46:04 He might have been a good kid, though. He's cold. He's still a good kid, I think. He's still a good kid. That's not a good kid, I know he ain't late, not late. He's been a good kid his whole life, man. All right, we got through everything. I think we did it.
Starting point is 02:46:15 The good kid got him. I think we got through absolutely everything. I'll get to you all about Ferrell versus Vans at another time. I'm going to run out right now because I got to get to Newark to speak at Weekway. school's graduation. Shout out with any inspirational words you
Starting point is 02:46:30 want me to share with the crew? From the crew? God bless them. These are you guys. You got any words? Congratulations. Congratulations. This for the freebie?
Starting point is 02:46:41 Yeah, it's for the freebie. It's 100% free. Fugged up the whole joke, huh? No, I don't know. I'm not. I'm not the joke. I'm just saying. You leave and work to go, you know.
Starting point is 02:46:50 I think that you stand for something. The irony of the person who came the latest. Oh, shit. I'm leaving. Oh, shit. I'm leaving on the conclusion. You came a prime. Who you were talking about in that bandwagon comment that you made the last episode?
Starting point is 02:47:02 We're talking about. When they were talking about bandwagon with Imani and shit like that, jumping on the bandwagon. Who you was referring to, boy? Bairn wagon about what? Who were you referring to in the last episode that dropped when you were talking about bandwagon? Just remind it. I don't know what you talking about jumping on the bandwagon.
Starting point is 02:47:16 Did you watch the episode back? Listen, Imani was saying that just because we agree with Joe, that doesn't mean that we have our own minds. That's what I'm saying. Something about the subject with one of your counterparts from Philly. And you say, oh, some of us do jump on the bandwagon. Who are you referring to? I think I said all of us jump on the bandwagon for different things. There's a lot of dog pilot.
Starting point is 02:47:34 I got smoke with you now. Oh, I mean, I think you jump on the bandwagon the most. If boss agrees, it's what I want to hear. I know that's what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I didn't know what you're saying. Hold on. That's what I'm going to get your favorite song.
Starting point is 02:47:49 Nah, I don't know the song. Don't you talk about it. Don't you talk about, niggas. Don't you talk about niggas. Go beg them niggins. Go beg them niggas. I don't beg no way for you. I stand on an...
Starting point is 02:47:59 Hey, I'm going to get you, yo. My time is up. My time is up. I'm going to fuck you up. Okay. I'll be waiting. Move you outside, nigger. And you can't go to the Trump.
Starting point is 02:48:10 That's where I'm starting. Oh, shit. The damn shit is happening to flip. You want to thank Dr. Mark Lamont Hill. Amen, indeed. Spending some time with us before his big speaking engagement, man. Go kill that shit, Mark. Shout to the graduates.
Starting point is 02:48:26 Yeah, shout to the graduates. Graduous, man. The inner cities that we all go back to? Mm. Just to feel it, smell it. Yeah. See what it's like, though. Please.
Starting point is 02:48:37 Oh, they go my chain. No worry, it's coming back home soon. Probably another 10 days, something like that. You don't respect your votes, y'all. It's coming back home. Mark, get the fuck out. This nigga song. You hear yourself?
Starting point is 02:48:48 Yo, this nigga, boy. He will lobby for the votes, boy. He don't respect your votes, y'all. That's crazy. What? We got to do a pick, Mark? Uh, pick. Pick?
Starting point is 02:49:00 Pick what? Picture. Mark. Go ahead, man. We'll take the picture without you. It's fine. We'll Photoshop you. Listen, man, y'all hold it down.
Starting point is 02:49:11 Hopefully y'all have enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you. Keep us to your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there until the next time we bid you a do. Farewell, adios, cerebro, derchy, ostala vista, arvoire. So long, goodbye. Or a simple head novel suffice. Here you go Remember life is a series of moments and moments pass
Starting point is 02:49:37 So let's make this one last as if it's all We last but certainly not least the baddies are insecure The stagnant women want to travel In a closed-minded women want you to teach them things Grab you a Tylenol you might need it Any plans for the week? Plan for the week? Anybody anybody anybody anybody anybody anybody? No no no
Starting point is 02:49:58 Just be around Going to Brooklyn a night for the Wally show. That's about it. Oh, shit. What's how to fucking with you? Brooklyn Paramount. Okay, I like that spot. Yeah, I play.
Starting point is 02:50:09 It's nice. Nobody said what they got for Father's Day. Nothing. Sox. Food. Food. A Cologne. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:50:19 Um, Jimmy Chu, I think. Let's show the link you. Mm. I didn't say nothing. I slapped the shit out of you. Why if I didn't say nothing? I'm on that. You got it on? I don't want to get smacked if I didn't say nothing.
Starting point is 02:50:35 So when did you want to get smacked? When I say something that warrants gets a cent. But if I'm quiet, that mean that I thought about the smack and I didn't want it. You looked at me and smiled. Yeah, I'm cool. Yeah, I'm just feeling, man. When I called you and laughed. Shout to the princess. No, that was funny.
Starting point is 02:50:53 I called everybody. Word, I'm like, what the fuck? This is a little asshole. I'm like, all right, Flit, what you want? What I got for Father's Day, I got some cologne, I got a charcutory board, a card, a keychain, and a mug. Not bad. That's bad hall. That's why.
Starting point is 02:51:14 That's a good haul. My baby took me out and she was like, oh, take you out. And she overheard me talking about I wanted to get that new aura ring that came out. And she surprised me with it. So I was happy about that. Huh? So I said a sex toy? I thought you overheard him saying he wanted to get some aura.
Starting point is 02:51:32 No, I got or the ring you, man. The ring she was talking about? I got war. It's an aura ring. I got a little ring. Oh, okay. Snigger boy, you are the worst. Yeah, it was right there, man.
Starting point is 02:51:46 All right, man, what y'all over the week? Anything, anything, anything, anything? Enjoying the rain, man. And rest of peace, Tina Marie. It's this weekend if God permits. Here you go. You can set that shit up. Can't cut her off now.
Starting point is 02:53:34 Sorry. Next time, bitch ass niggles. Yeah, go next. Championship. Repeat time. Stop playing with us. You're gonna trade some of you niggins in the all season, y'all niggins gonna be sick. J.B.P. Where are to be without the JVP?
Starting point is 02:54:47 We'll fold that up right now. You've never heard of Joe, buddy.

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