The Joe Budden Podcast - I'll Name This Podcast Later Episode 100

Episode Date: February 15, 2017

Episode 100!!!!!!! Can't say we thought we'd be doing this for a 100 weeks. Joe, Mal, Ice, and Rory sit down to discuss Jim vs Cam, the new Dipset, Grammy's, rappers dating the same women, Chance & Frank Ocean's independence, and more! Thank you all for tuning in for 100 episodes!! Sleeper Picks Of The Week: Mal: Tee Grizzley "First Day Out" | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4oGd60G--Q Ice: TEC & Mane Musik "Ain't No Coming Down" | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqNtk6GEGW4 Joe: SiR "The Canvas" | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jem9AyL4KQ4 Rory: ODESZA "All We Need" | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi4Cf6lkDr4

Are we on? Rory, start the fucking birthday music, dickface! It's not our birthday, though. 100 does not mean birthday. I don't want to hear 50 and not you. I know you thought you was 50 in Queens in 02, but... I did. Rory Deadass was running around calling himself Rory Banks. I was actually part of G-Unit, though.

I confirmed. Every time I play a song to set the mood. Turn it down, Roy. Every time I play a song to set the mood, dumbface Roy ruins the mood. Because I don't want it to get fucking taken down. That's why. Every time you say that, it never goes anywhere. Because I'm continuing to talk over it.

It never fucking goes. No, they don't care anymore. You say that. Chance just shouted out SoundCloud on the Grammy stage. But it's his music. They're not taking... Hey, SoundCloud artists,

people, upload it all. They're not suing you. They're not taking it down. It's over? No, are you kidding? They in now? This is all SoundCloud has been waiting for was an in.

To be looked at, to not be looked at as the SoundCloud rappers, the SoundCloud singers, the SoundCloud community as a whole. How many years have they been looked down upon? I didn't even want to start there. I don't want to start there. People stopped fucking with them because they were taking down so much shit. That's why people stopped fucking with them. That's where they made the fault.

They didn't fight the labels and say, all right, we'll pay you if we can keep some of this shit. Yeah, SoundCloud. Y'all fucked up there. That's where they fucked up. The SoundCloud office is in New York. I didn't know that until fucking E1 made me go up there one day. I hate E1. I'm going to audit E1.

E1, y'all got an audit coming from me soon. Soon as I can afford to audit y'all, it's coming. Now, I didn't want to start there. Happy 100. I'll name this podcast later. Episode 100 across from me is Rory and Azar's shit. Maul and fucking Ice is here who doesn't do podcasts. Episode one.

Now, Ice was here last week I only invited him here This week When I feel like Maul didn't look at None of this shit That I want to talk about That's really when I invite Ice

Yeah cause I don't do podcasts When I feel like Maul's just gonna come here And just fuck around Cause Maul didn't watch the Grammys I know he didn't watch the Grammys I know who won You know what I mean

I saw the highlights Yeah so I know who won Wait I say to I mean? I saw the highlights. Yeah, so I know who won. Wait, wait. I say to Maul as we're riding over here. Maul, you seen Jimmy and Cam shit? Now, mind you, I don't like to talk about the content because I want to keep it fresh. Maul, you seen the Jimmy and Cam shit? Nah, but I heard about it.

Yeah. Oh, okay. I heard about it. You seen the Grammys? Fuck it. We wouldn't let Maul forget in the group chat while it was happening. So, let's start right there. Can I get a lighter, Joe, so I can light my victory cigar?

Victory? Well, it's the 100th episode, right? Hey! Rory, 50 Cent, give us some fucking birthday. Stevie Wonder, you got the fucking laptop. I won't give a shit. Why is the 100th the birthday? It's just a birthday.

It's not a birthday. It's not a birthday. That's what the 100th birthday? It's just a birthday. It's not a birthday. It's not a birthday. That's what I'm confused at. It's just a milestone. It's not. It's a birthday. Is this exactly one year ago? Yeah.

Ice, do you know when we did our first podcast? No, I don't follow podcasts. So you don't know if this is our birthday or not. I asked a question. Yes, it's our birthday. Okay, well, happy birthday, podcast. Even if it's not our birthday, because it's our birthday Okay, well happy birthday podcast And even if it's not our birthday Because it's my podcast Roy

Can you turn the fucking music I got balls, nigga I got balls, nigga I got balls, nigga Alright, Roy, cut that off Now No, well See how this podcast is so dope

We gotta segue by mistake Cause I wanted to start On Maul's bars. This is my solution, Cam and Jim. Wait, how did it go from? Cam and Jim. Cam and Jim. Cam and Jim.

Listen. I feel I could talk for five hours alone on just YouTube. I don't even know where to start Well I'll start Maul did you own A Tricky Ricky t-shirt No Maul where you from I don't know if you're from

The Bronx or Harlem Because they both are called uptown So let's just say both I lived in the Bronx Alright so you're from Harlem In my story Alright so My family's from Harlem

So Did you listen to Dipset Yeah Yes of course I lived in the Bronx, but... All right, so you're from Holland, in my story. Yeah. All right, so... My family's from Holland. So, did you listen to Dipset? Yeah. Yes, of course. Were you sad about... He was in Dipset. Huh? He was in Dipset. Well, I'm getting to there.

I'm getting to there. So, were you sad about the breakup? Yeah. I would like to know what hip-hop breakups you were sad about. This is high up there, right? This might be. Jimmy and Cam, Dipset, right? Yeah, Jay and Dame is one.

They're both friends to the show. Our adoration for Dipset is well documented. Now, a lot of this stuff that they discussed I already knew, right? I'm sure that some of y'all, well, maybe not y'all listening, but some people already knew a lot of this stuff. What did y'all get from any of this? Well, let's start with Jimmy's interview with Flex first before we get into Cam's whole situation.

I think it was interesting. We knew that Jimmy and him obviously had a problem, but to see someone who has been the goon, if you will, of Dipset break down in that type of way and disgust. him obviously had a problem but to see someone who has been the goon if you will of dipset breakdown in that type of way and disgust and their relationship was a bit odd huh yeah he used the word breakdown what would you call it appropriate yeah i didn't mean it in a negative way he got emotional yeah he didn't break down like he wasn't balling no pun no but certainly was upset about how he had

been treated within that friendship for years it's not what it is is when you when you are as close as jimmy and cam were and you know he just got to a point it's just emotional because it hurts it's like nigga you my brother like you know i'm saying so and i'm saying real shit right now and i'm speaking and you know you start reliving the things that you went through like it was a lot of things that you know jimmy front lined andlined and Jimmy put his neck out for like real street shit and to feel like all of that was for nothing and now y'all don't even speak that shit hurts that would hurt anybody that was really friends like we like brothers like you wore my clothes you slept in my house I slept in your house like you know I'm saying like when we was on the road and nobody

respected dip set I was the one jumping in the crowd punching niggas in their face like that You slept in my house. I slept in your house. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when we was on the road and nobody respected Dipset, I was the one jumping in the crowd, punching niggas in their face. Like, that type of shit, that hurts. When you look years later and you're like, yo, we don't even speak anymore. That shit hurts. And I understood where it was coming from for Jim. Yeah. I mean, we don't know Cam, but we know how Cam has operated in the public eye.

I didn't think he would react the same way with that tweet gram whatever i still think it's hilarious that cam ron still uses tweet gram but yeah me too him saying i'll tell everything except i won't be crying to kind of put jimmy down even more i thought it was even more distasteful especially coming from him even though we know he is like a guy that jokes a lot cam comes across to me as somebody that is afraid to be vulnerable i can see that like he doesn't want to let his guard like jimmy went up there that interview he didn't give a fuck you know he let his guard down he he told it with what he spoke from his heart how he really felt and i think cam is still standing behind this too cool shit yeah for sure

you know i'm saying and you don't You don't play that card When it's your brother It's okay to be vulnerable When speaking about my brother When speaking about my family Well when Cam was doing The Instagram live shit He even said during his story

This is corny That I'm doing this Right This is corny that We doing this Right Especially when a nigga Got my phone number

Right That part gets me though The whole Go Especially when a nigga got my phone number. Right. That part gets me though. The whole, that's when you got my phone number because Cam has always been making it his business to point out the fact that I got you blocked on shit.

I got you like, like, we don't, yeah, he might have his phone number, but the way Cam presents everything is almost like, can he really reach out to you

if he want to? I want y'all to tell me who y'all think is full of shit here. I don't want to sugarcoat any of this. There's three sides to every story. I don't know if anybody's full of shit. Oh, shut the fuck up. All right, just stop. All y'all niggas lost y'all nuts, so let me talk.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Y'all lost y'all nuts. Hold on, hold on. I'm not saying anybody is, I wouldn't say full of shit But I would say in this situation Like I said I think Jim was the more He was really speaking from I believed everything

Alright, listen Because y'all don't want to be real niggas Then shut the fuck up And let me talk No, because I don't want to do that Cam You don't know that making A tricky, freaky t-shirt

For your fucking man Is wild But wait But wait, time out That's not even the part That I was wild at I don't even care about that You getaky t-shirt For your fucking man Is wild But wait But wait time out That's not even the part That I was wild at I don't even care about that You get a t-shirt

Niggas play around You joke around Have a blast Right Dog When he said You told me You wasn't doing nothing

With Bird Gang So I went So I copyrighted it Yeah I would've fucked him up Immediately I'm fucking you up What are you talking I don't care if you. I would have fucked him up immediately. I'm fucking you up. What are you talking about?

I don't care if you're my brother. You're getting fucked up immediately. Yeah. That's why I say I get Jim. I don't understand that. I get Jim saying he stole millions. I mean, it could have been millions. It could have been.

Somebody make sense of Cam publishing Bird Gang for me. Now, from what I saw. I mean, copywriting Bird Gang. The reactions to that People defending Cam by saying Well he asked Jim What was you doing I don't give a fuck

I'm agreeing with you What he asked him I'm agreeing with you But this is The defense I'm seeing is Well he asked him what he was doing Jim said No listen

This is just another nickname for Dipset So Cam like Alright if you're not making no movement And running with it I'm'm going to do it. So now stop, because I don't want a very important message to get lost here. Kids, build your brand and copyright it. Absolutely.

The Patriots copyright everything that they think might be applicable 20 years from now. They just added two more. I don't remember, but they're not applicable yet. Blitz for six. Right. They just, they just added two more. I don't remember, but they're not, they're not, they're not applicable yet. Blitz for six.

Yeah. And no days off, which is wild because the dude, Stretch, on Twitter, been doing no days off fitness shirts

and everything for the last year and a half. Well, Wale was doing that shit well before them. Well, I mean, every artist,

own your shit, build your brand, continue to add value to your brand. I just want to tell you that. I mean, every artist, own your shit, build your brand, continue to add value to your brand. I just want to tell you that. I mean, I totally understand business. Business is business

and of course, people get snaked in business but I still hold morally to me. I don't do that to my mans. I'll say, you know what, Jimmy? I'll go in with you and copyright it

because I obviously have been in this game a lot longer than you on the business side. That's dumb. Let's copyright it. It all comes down to, you know, when you're a crew and you're a team, everybody gets a plate.

You know what I'm saying? So, Jim, that's your plate. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going. That's yours. You know what I'm saying? And if you feel like he was moving wrong with it, yo, this is what you need to do, Jim.

Copyright it. This is yours. Get this shit bubbling. I didn't like that. Period. Copyright it. This is yours. Get this shit bubbling.

I didn't like that. Period. I didn't like Cam saying that if Jim put Stack's album out and Max B's project out, that their futures might have been different. I thought that was some real sucker shit. It's tasteless. Yeah. It's classless. And as a Cam fan, killer.

Like, I go back to Children of the Corn. Right. Like, y'all was talking my shit. I start at Harlem. I don't want Jersey people to get this misconstrued. My projects is 1809. That's Freaky Zeke's projects. I go back with all the people that they named.

Bloodshed, Big L. I was sitting there schooling sin on all of this Harlem history, and I'm like, God damn, I'm a Harlem nigga on the low. And shout out to all the Harlem people, because it was a Harlem chat room in the Insta live. It definitely was. I was in London just watching. I seen Rory's bitch ass and him making jokes, flirting with bitches.

You in trouble. Flirting with bitches You in trouble Flirting with bitches Them niggas got stuff Trying to flirt with bitches On the Insta comments and shit But yeah I saw Ice in there I saw a bunch of Harlem hoes in there That was like one big New York chat room I didn't like that comment from Cam

And it brought me back My memory is bad But it brought me back to The many conversations I had with Stack about Jim because Stack, when he was, he wanted to know, you know, he was frustrated with Clue. And he was like, listen, I'm heating up out here. I have records.

I have a bunch of records. Clue, you already know. If anybody know, you know. But Jim is talking this over here. What you think? And me and Jim, I think it had tension at one point. Not nothing serious, but like bullshit tension. I don't know.

I don't even remember if that's true. But I remember that only because I said, you should fuck with Jim. Go over there. It seems like he's building a roster. It seems like your style. Fits that. Fits that. Fits that there.

I remember when Hustler's Poem, Jim's first album, Stack was in the corner. And me and Biggs went to the studio to hear it. Like Jim told Biggs, yo, let's go come to the studio to hear the album. And Stack was in there. And I remember sitting talking with Stack. And I'm like, yo, man, I've been a fan of yours for years. And he was telling me, he was like, yo, this situation is great. It popped.

This is it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like me, Jim. And that's when they played the record with like, yo, this situation is great. It popped. This is it. You know what I'm saying? Me, Jim. And that's when they played the record with him, Stack, and Wayne. They played that. Yeah. I told Stack, I said, dog, you out of here.

I do believe that, and I didn't like that comment, because I do believe that Jim had every intention on doing something with Stack and Max. Yeah. They was on all these fucking records. I don't care if they was Jim records. Fucking records I don't care if they was Jim records Right I don't care if they was Jim records

Right Not only that He put a mix Ain't that how it's supposed To fucking go anyway What are you talking about Cam You introduce

Your people under you Yeah And also I didn't like How Cam kind of just downplayed Like Jimmy was never there Like we watched That's what I didn't like I mean granted

I wasn't in your circle But dog I saw you with Jim Jones For fucking 15 years Yeah You're making it seem like He popped up around the Rockefeller deal Yeah Cam you can't Cam you can't tell us that

I get it people think That you and Jim grew up together But when you say no we didn't But we met at around 19 Nigga y'all grew up together Yeah hell yeah You're still growing at that age Absolutely

So listening to this Cam and Jimmy shit You know and because and because I'm so self-centered, I just relate it all back to me. My biopic would be better than niggas think. Because it wouldn't be about me. Let me be clear. First of all, is the word biopic or biopic? Biopic. I don't like biopic. Biopic.

I'm saying it that way. But I don't want to confuse the listeners. But my biopic wouldn't be about me. It would be about why I, what I've seen in the music industry. So I remember that deal, and I remember the Cam'ron Rockefeller signing party at Limelight when me and Dill bum-rushed over there

because I was on Def Jam and nobody knew who I was. They was popping at Limelight. That might have been the last good party at Limelight, now that I'm thinking about it. All the hoes, rangers, minks, jewelry, they was rocking, but the word there was Jay was mad then. Everybody talking about Jay was coming to Limelight. No, he ain't.

What are y'all talking about? Jay and Dame was at odds then. Not odds, but we knew something was you felt the tension what so i loved hearing that story about the old boys the old boy beat the beat cd to just blaze shit because i believe i just was there and i remember all of that shit but the fact that this garners so much attention now, now, today, right? And even Cam, at the end of it, he posted the numbers from his live stream. And he said this is all during pre-Grammy and, you know, whatever was going on. Obviously, people still have a genuine, well, New Yorkers have a genuine concern.

And we're invested in Dipset, right? Yeah, but it's not even so much New Yorkers. Yeah. Have a genuine concern, and we're invested in Dipset, right? Yeah, but it's not even so much New Yorkers, because even when you go out of town, the first thing, when they say you're from New York, oh, why you not dressed like Jim? Like, the girls say that. Like, why you not dressed like Jim Jones? Why you don't, you know, cam, you know?

And it's like... I don't know what girls you're talking to right now. No, this is, no, but you... None of them bitches are saying that to me. Dipset, if people never been to New York, D set is what is new york how they identify yes yes yes i agree is what i'm saying i agree they they think that that's how you're supposed to talk that's how you're supposed to walk that's how you're supposed to dress i know so when you tell me that y'all have friction and y'all will never speak again yeah that's because the nigga fell in

love you made some t-shirts yeah that's crazy you you fucking copyrighted his brand after he tried to escape the brand from from uh the brand that you had full control of it's real hard to be grateful and have an attitude that's what i got from jimmy shit it looked like he's extremely grateful for all that cam has done and it looks like he's hurt he's hurt how it fell apart yeah he's hurt done. And it looks like he's hurt. He's hurt at how it fell apart. Yeah. He's hurt because he felt like he was the loyal one. Like, yo, I thought you was my brother.

And you making it seem like, oh, we was just cool. So now I bring it full circle. And this interview has given me such a better understanding of Jim Jones. Yeah. Jim Jones' entire career is full of hurt yeah what really stuck out to me and i didn't notice until jim said it was that cam had never been to a jim jones show and then i didn't know him didn't admit to that but he didn't deny it right yeah he didn't admit to it but he didn't deny it so now if i have to guess here i I feel like, yeah, there was some friction from some maybe shit that happened.

Jim did go to E1 to get his own shit. Yeah, I'm sure whatever Dipset had going on helped him get a better deal. But he went over there to escape, build his own fucking shit. I could see Cam hating on that. Not hating. I could see Cam feeling a way That Ballin' is the biggest song ever From that collective

Bigger than Oldboy Bigger than whatever Why? Why if your man is doing well? And obviously you're on top I don't understand I would never feel some type of way About my man blowing up

Like that's crazy Everybody can say that Because it's very It's not easily disproven And that's crazy everybody can say that because it's very it's not easily disproven and that's why i don't put much weight to it when people say that newsflash people are mad at their man every single day yeah every single day people are mad at their man doing better than them just because your heart is full of all this morality and these values don't think that that's happening in the universe. I get that. I get that.

And I'm sure if you think hard enough, you can think of some people in your head that maybe have feelings toward their man that's doing better. I can name some right now. I know it exists. I'm just saying. Yeah, it exists. I cannot understand. I can never understand it, though. I know it exists, but I can never understand that.

And I'm not saying I'm the most morally great person. That never enters my mind. If my man blows up, I'm mad. I don't even understand that thought process. not saying that never enters my mind if my man blows up i'm mad that i don't even understand that thought process we want that yeah like if you blow up nigga we all hot we we all hot i'm gonna fuck some of the same bitches that's you can't fuck all the bitches you know i'm saying you can't drive all the cars like i'm gonna have a deranged one day when you got the bends like that's just my thought like and i'm doing amazing yeah like and i'm eating too i'm the second rapper on rockefeller at the moment yeah but i'm not mad at i don't understand that

like we all if you blow i blow nigga we all the we the crew our crew is hot it's dip set it's bird gang nigga we all hot i don't understand it. No, no, no, no. No. When Certified Gangsta came out with Game, no, The Rough. When The Rough came out, Certified Gangsta, The Rough came first. I remember. Cam was cold as a fuck. Nobody cared about Cam.

Am I lying? No, no, no. What was that, 0-4-5? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Certified, no, no, no. What was that? 4 or 5? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Certified? No, no, no. 07. We certified.

That was definitely 07, 08. 07, 08? No. Certified gangster was 07. Certified gangster is 07, 08. Yes. Google it. We have computers here.

I was in high school when bowling came out, and I was out of high school in 2008. Certified gangster was early. That was 05 We don't ever have to argue We all have computers It might be 05 It's way more fun to argue Alright let's argue then

Alright you figured out You figured the album came out 04 So the rough had to be before that It's Damn God I knew I'm not bugging Jim's first album

Cause Ballin' wasn't until like 06 I'm way older than I thought Yeah that's crazy Alright so wait Time out Alright so I take that back. Cam is still on our minds. Yeah, he's the fucking man.

Now, Cam is the man still at that point. At least in New York. When Baby Girl comes out, is Cam the man? Is Cam thought of? No. My point is, there was a time in Jim's career where Jim was numero uno front man, dip set. Absolutely. And Cam was in

Ohio because everybody thought that niggas ran him to Ohio, which is why he addressed it. Right. Like, Cam addressed a lot of shit. He addressed a whole lot. I just won't ever understand if Rory tell me, yo, I'm starting Henny Palooza.

Henny Palooza. I don't even. If I'm starting, he's starting Jameson Palooza. And I go home and fucking copyrighted? I'm beating the dog shit out of myself. I don't get that. I don't get that. I don't get that.

So, y'all fans could co-sign that shit under the comments and all of that. Listen, that's nuts to me. That's nuts. I don't see how. And I do want to point one of Jimmy's faults, which was a discussion on the timeline, was the loyalty and the fault of that. Because even through that bullshit, Jimmy was still very publicly loyal. And I just think some people are built with that code and feel really uncomfortable doing otherwise can we chime in with two of the greatest royce bars ever that apply to everybody what's the fucking loyalty fucking two bars that are the greatest bars ever

that i stole from him it was down to four with people i find as loyal as me, which is probably why loyalty is my downfall. I'm like royalty around y'all. Down to fall with niggas I feel are as loyal as me, which is probably why loyalty is my downfall. It applies to so many artists. So many artists. I do believe that Jimmy has been a victim of his own loyalty. I do believe that Jimmy has been a victim of his own loyalty. I do believe that. That's what I took from it. Let me tell you one thing I took from that interview.

That's what I took from it. Let me tell you one thing I did take from that interview, though. And I'll end it at this. I hate cancers. You hate what? Cancers. I hate. I'm not a cancer fan of shit, so.

Yeah, me neither. I had zero idea that Jim was a cancer. And I'm watching this interview saying, Jim seems a little sensitive. I don't think he was being sensitive at all. That's a lot of built up, that's fucking 15 years of built up aggression and it finally comes back. That's not sensitivity.

That's just hurt. Whoa. I agree with you. I'm saying in points of his story, it was sensitivity. I was able to see where it was Jimmy is sensitive, Jimmy is hurt. That's what I'm saying. So I asked myself, I bet he's a cancer. I bet he's a cancer.

To react like that, even in Cam's's story When he said The nigga was like I don't care I don't care If it don't make sense I ain't with that logic I ain't trying to be logical Right now That's a cancer statement

That is an emotional cancer But I won't I won't stay there But yeah Jesus cancers Are so emotional I don't get along with them I support

I support Some type of Oakley Dolan Fix and reunion here. Well, they lifted him. Yeah, accordingly, they met with Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, Dolan, Oakley. The band is lifted.

That's my point. I'm looking for some type of resolve with Dipset. Make him the undercard on Soulja Boy and Chris Brown. I don't want to see either of them niggas fight. No, I meant Dolan and Oakley. No, they pieced it up already. I don't want to see them fight either.iggas fight. No, I meant Dolan and Oakley. No, they pieced it up already. I don't want to see them fight either. I want to see what is the resolution here.

I do think they need just the two of them go in a room and fight it out. Just nobody got to see it. Fight over what? Just get it all out. They love each other. Get it out, though. Get it out.

Get it out. I don't want to see a Cam. We're not supposed to see it. I don't want to see a Cam and Jim fight. I just don't. Like I said, we're not supposed to see it. That's't want to see a Cam and Jim fight. I just don't. Like I said, we're not supposed to see it. That's just something. They got some shit towards each other.

Jim feel hurt. But that's the problem. Cam keep poking fun at him while he's hurt. Y'all go solve that. But I think that's the issue that it's gotten out to the public. I think it was Philly that tweeted something along the lines, when you play shit out in the public, you're almost forced to rewrite history.

Because now you're trying to make yourself look good in every situation you have two people i'm not you're not me not not i you don't care how you look not not i know people think that i do a lot for attention i there's a lot i don't do for for that same reason think what the fuck y'all want to think but that's the problem when and that's why i said there's three sides to every story as much as i do believe j more than Cam, obviously, it's two people that are now forced to cater to the public's opinion with what actually happened. All right, so enough about Jimmy and Cam. Let's fast forward.

How do we feel about Jim Jones, Roc Nation? Pictures, he was at the Roc Nation party, pre-Grammy party in L.A. Yeah, Maul, Maul, how was that brunch? Cut his beard. Maul, we had our on the scene we had our on the scene I'll name this podcast later sports reporter and hip hop reporter

Maul right there to tell us what's going on. How were the eggs? Was the bacon crispy enough? How were the eggs? I don't know nothing about what y'all speak of. Tell us nothing about what him and fucking Lenny S got going on. All I know is... I need to get a Roc Nation contract while he printing these shit.

I think that's super dope for Jim. I think it is, too. Honestly, I think that's a super dope move. I just need a deal now. I think it's a testament of, yo, listen, we go through shit, you know, beefs and not fucking with niggas, but come full circle, nigga, let's make money. If we got an opportunity To make some money together

Let's make money together And I'm glad you said that So We'll end this with this I'll say one thing real quick Before you do that Only thing I do find funny About that whole

Jim Rock Nation thing Is you signed that And still haven't spoken to Jay-Z Who said that? He did He said it Well obviously they spoke At the brunch Yeah it just happened It just it. Well, obviously they spoke at the brunch.

Yeah, it just happened. I mean, it just happened. But the interview came out before the brunch. Yeah, but you were signed. They apparently definitely spoke at the brunch. You were signed before. Well, fuck the brunch. You were signed without.

Y'all should have had a conversation. Yeah, that shouldn't be funny, though. No. A conversation is coming. Yeah, it's definitely happening. I ain't signing without it. Oh, yes you are. Shut up.

I ain't signing. Y'all talk so much shit. Shut the fuck up I ain't signing without it. Oh, yes you are. Shut up. I ain't signing. Y'all talk so much shit. Shut the fuck up. You are signing without it. You are signing. I'm not signing. Get the fuck out of here. We're going to have a talk.

Mall. Vado. Mook. Who else? Mills. And J. Mills. The new dip set. Bringing the city back. Yes. Not the new dip set. And y'all got a really smoked dip though. No. And J. Mills. The new dip set. Bringing the city back.

Yes. Not the new dip set. And y'all got a really smoked dip, though. No. Hell no. Get the fuck out of here. Oh, come on. Fucking talk.

Y'all got a really smoked dip. Oh, y'all not down for that? Nah, not at all, bro. J.R. Ryder. Fred the Godson. You got actually a little squad. Fred from the Bronx, though. Fred ain't from the Bronx.

So are you. That's true. The Bronx and Harlem, same shit. All right, so fine. Mall doesn't want to be Dipset. Whatever. I tried.

The Grammys. Damn, I imagine you skipped over that. I had the... Skipped over what? The Grammys? I had the theme music for Mall introducing

the new Dipset, but... Well, let me hear it. Well, they're going to have to remix this. It's going to be We Built This City again. These niggas had records, man. We Rebuilt This City.

Heatmakers might have had the fastest fall-off I've ever seen. But I can't even say that because once they stop, once Dipset stop, ooh, Heatmakers had heat. Rory, Rory, Rory, Rory, Rory, ooh, he make us add heat. I'm on, Roy, Roy, Roy, Roy, Roy, Roy.

It's reliving the glory days. That's the energy I was looking for from you and A-Rap. Some shit like that to start happening. Like, get back to that sound. As a New Yorker, East Coaster. When you say that sound, What do you mean that sound? Like That tempo

High pitched samples Yeah like Sped up samples The Dipset era Yeah That sound right there Is golden To New Yorkers

Yeah But I'm saying For you and A-Rab To do a mixtape like that That's why I'm gonna ask That'll be real cool When I'm 50 That would be crazy

When I'm 50 We'll do that And I've been out of town And I I really mean it, fangs off. Of course. Tip set records that that sound still goes. No, I agree. From them. And I don't even know if from them today.

Well, where does this leave Juelz? I mean, I know he didn't watch it because Kimbella doesn't let him open his Instagram. But where do we think Juelz is with all this? Juelz is waiting for the phone call for a tour. Let's get to the music. I don't understand artists that don't tour. Juelz, him and I came in the game together, he doesn't tour.

Fab don't tour, but he gets bags. I don't understand artists that don't tour. So now Juelel's career, if I'm not going to listen to Kimbello on Loving Hip Hop, because I'm not, Jewel's career kind of has gotten thrown and lost in all the mist of Dipset residue. Yeah.

Does he still have his contract with Defj? And then he went and broke Lil Wayne. Pretty much. Oh, man. This is all fucking bad. That's exactly what happened. Well, anyways. And then we got Snap Music

and the result of all of that falling apart. I would like for them niggas to get it together because I think they're really important for not just New York hip-hop, but hip-hop as a whole. I think they both are still very capable. I don't know if that's Cam's flow right now. I don't think that's really his.

Do you guys remember that they were supposed to do the shit with A-Track? They put out that Dipset shit that was great with A-Track. They put a video out with it. This was like two years ago. And then he put out another record with a track that was amazing that they then took down off the internet and you can't find it anywhere. And it was all around that similar sound that built, we built this city sound.

So there at one point they was trying to do something and it sounded, the first two records sounded amazing and then it disappeared. Man, y'all niggas get it together and go do fucking Bird Gang Money Part 2 or fucking Dipset Anthem Part 2 or just get it together man Put an EP out

Stream it Something title exclusive I don't know I don't have the answers man They've tried it though They keep trying it They've done that They come back

And do a couple records Announce a reunion tour That's what it was Yeah Dipshits Dipshits was great They announce a reunion tour They do a couple spot cities And then

Disappear again Alright well I don't care enough To keep talking about them Let's get to the Grammys I enjoyed them this year They were a little fucking long Are they gonna stay that long? Round of applause and then disappear again. All right, well, I don't care enough to keep talking about them. Let's get to the Grammys. I enjoyed them this year. They were a little fucking long. Round of applause.

Round of applause. I think the Grammys got it right this year. I agree. Oh, I'm the only one clapping. All right. All right, whatever. I think the Grammys got it right this year for a change. Tribe, phenomenal.

I rewatched it again. That fucking performance was unbelievable unbelievable By far my favorite Of the night Even with the Prince tribute Even with fucking Busta on stage We loved it Well if there's a stage

Busta's gonna find it If you can If you can build If you can build a stage Busta will find it Busta's the greatest If you build it Busta will come

Yeah but that stage Is where Busta Should have been That's why I'm not mad at it. Maul, did you see it? No, of course not. Nope. I heard about it. Let's tune into our expert Maul. Maul, did you see it? Nope. But I heard about it.

Alright, cool. He dis-Trumped. No one had dis-Trumped the whole night. Buster was the only one to do it. No, Michael Jackson's daughter mentioned it briefly. The Dakota Pipeline, she did. That was great to see Michael Jackson's daughter. it briefly the Dakota Pipeline she did that was great to see Michael Jackson's daughter Chance was phenomenal Tribe was phenomenal Beyonce was great

fucking Sin had a conniption watching the fucking TV Bruno Mars is different yeah he bodied that and I went in there with a very negative view on how that was gonna go but I keep telling people Bruno Mars still has to to me,

one of the top four Super Bowl performances ever. That was the one with Beyonce or the other one? Yeah. Whenever he hits the stage, it's a show.

Well, he should perform at the Super Bowl every year. Yeah. Like, it's a show. He is different. He's special. He's different. That nigga's skin is different.

Everything's just different about about him i really enjoyed him uh i don't know what type of prince tribute is a prince tribute without purple rain but i won't be that guy they should just be left alone i don't think anyone should even touch it for a tribute you're right beyonce played it at her show uh when i went to Marsha Ambrosius' Float Tree show, I think she played it too or sung over it. We know that Purple Rain is Prince's. That's the one. That's the masterpiece.

That is the one. So outside of that, I don't want to nitpick. Outside of me not hearing that, loved Bruno Mars. I'm not sure if Prince loved it because Prince hated everyone. Yeah, he didn't love it. And he hated. No, but I think if there were someone he would love. No, Prince didn't hate everyone.

It's Bruno. Prince was just, you have to be a real artist. Prince wasn't with the studio artist shit. Yeah, that's why I think he may have appreciated Bruno. Somebody like Bruno Prince appreciated. I'm sure Prince was a fan of Bruno Mars. Yeah, Bruno is homegrown talent. I'm 100% sure. I'm sure Prince was a fan of Bruno. Bruno is homegrown talent.

I'm 100% sure. I still see Prince sitting there rolling his eyes, finding something wrong with it, though. Yeah, because Prince is that great. But that's what made him Prince. I tweeted it. Prince hated Michael Jackson, man. What do you want me to say?

I don't think he hated Mike. I just think that he was tired of people always comparing them. Putting them in the same, like, and he was just like, and then Prince Mine, he was a real, like And then Prince Mine He was A real like

Artist No Prince hated Mike For a while I went on YouTube And looked at Every single I looked at at least 40 minutes of Prince interviews

Because I was crying Watching the fucking Bruno do the Prince tribute But did you ever hear Why That's how that started I'm pretty sure You know with the whole

Bad video The bad video? Yeah. Of course. They wanted Prince to play the other dude. Now time out. Stop right there. Stop right there.

Yeah. Let's look at it like, let's put it in its proper perspective. Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer of all time. Facts. Now, today. Today, right? David Blaine is a close second but

oh my god shut up but who kind of looks like Prince to me a little bit but go ahead but

Prince played every instrument taught himself how to play every instrument fuck I was me and Sim

was watching Purple Rain right and I was just making jokes throughout the whole shit look he was a ventriloquist. He threw his voice.

He beat everybody in basketball. Prince was the greatest thing ever. What I'm saying is, I could see how somebody who taught himself how to play every single instrument would look at Michael Jackson like you fucking peon. That's what I'm saying. Comparing the two. Michael didn't even write all his own music. You heard the Prince story About We Are The World

And We Are The World Is all the greatest artists In the world And Prince was like Fuck y'all So I mean he could've Probably shaded Bruno too Cause the sequence outfit

I mean you know He ain't really body it Like Prince That's all I'm saying He'd have found something To be mad at It's impossible For him to body it

Like Prince So Purple Rain wasn't done And I'm okay with that Because who can do Purple Rain like Prince? Nobody can do Purple Rain. That's a song I think artists stay away from. They will not dare try to perform that record. Even though, time out,

I agree with you, nobody should touch that record. If somebody were to do it today, just vocally, give me the closest thing you could hear. What would be, who would you like to see give it a shot? I heard some people say Miguel.

That's what popped in my head, but I don't even know if I want to throw that out there. I would love to hear Ro James do it. Miguel, Ro James is one of those voices. Yeah. I would love to hear his voice. Would love to. Now. I want to leave that alone. I don't want anyone to...

So let's leave it alone. That's fine. Prince has one of those tribute songs that is untouchable, classic, probably one of the greatest songs ever made. George Michael, now, not so much, but I love George Michael. I'm a huge George Michael guy. Yeah, it hits. Who picked that song?

That's another one. Who picked... Who is That's another one Who picked Who Who is picking the music? The Academy I get what you said Like of all the records I'm sure the artist they picked

Has an option in there too They gotta have some input Oh my god This motherfucker in the camera Well and then Adele had to start over No less in the middle of it Wait Wait

Hold up Let's get to that He said the Academy That's kind of my point The Academy Adele had to start over, no less, in the middle of it. Wait, wait, wait. Hold up. Let's get to that. He said the Academy. That's kind of my point. The Academy. Yeah. What a... And she fucked up the bad George Michael song.

That wasn't even a good song. And when she's singing it, I'm saying this the whole time. She is ruining this. I would say that At least eight times Before I tweeted it And then as soon as I tweeted it She said

You know what Stop this Stop my time Stop my time Stop my time No we're gonna do it Better than that Now

Fucking Father figure Why would you not Do father figure Careless whispers I could give you At least four songs That should have been done

before that one for george michael but whatever adele could have picked she was the one singing it so whatever she felt comfortable with obviously she wasn't comfortable enough but i would think that the artist has some play in what they're going to select because they have to sing it speaking of adele i get it i get it i think you're about to say what Amazing talent My talents are on this as well She had the Better record

But Beyonce The way Everything around that album Makes it 25 was ass That album was terrible That shit came and went And I'm putting it to Adele standards

That it was terrible The song Hello should've won record of the year. I agree with you 100% on that. That was a huge record. If I brought 10 people in here that were Adele fans and I asked them to name

two other records on 25, I guarantee you they couldn't. That album came and went in a fucking day. So record of the year. Sure. I agree. Great with that.

Album of the year. No. Matters none. Adele cut her Grammy in half and gave the other half to Beyonce. Which makes me think how sturdy those things really are. If Adele can snap it. She broke it. She should just be strong.

Broken in half, gave the other half to Beyonce. Yeah. I'm not mad at that. We commend her for that, right? Absolutely. Because the Grammys, I feel like they try to make it a thing. Like, they do shit To make things things And I said that on this podcast

A couple weeks ago And sure enough 10 minutes into the show They give me a quick J-Lo And Rihanna flash to each other I said alright They starting They early

They early Rihanna seemed mad I'd have been mad too Don't dominate me 8 times And don't give me shit Suck my dick She's with a great album By the way A phenomenal album Yeah Rihanna seemed mad. I'd have been mad too. Don't dominate me eight times and don't give me shit. Suck my dick. She's with a great album, by the way.

Yeah. A phenomenal album. Yeah. I would have been mad too. Yeah. Yeah, I would have. Absolutely. So when Rihanna come to the red carpet late after all y'all is inside already, I was home cheering, fist up.

Yeah, fuck y'all. I love when artists that are powerful recognize they are powerful and utilize said power. I love it. Don't tell me Drake is boycotting the Grammys. Don't tell me that. Because that leads you to believe he's using his power properly. No, niggas just don't win and they don't go. Which I'm not mad at that.

I wouldn't go. So I'm not mad at that. I wouldn't go. So I'm not mad at that. But that is very different from wielding your leverage and your power the way that – but anyway, I think that the Grammys are trying to make this Beyonce not winning a thing. Like three years or however many times it's happened. Kanye ran up there. It was the greatest press ever, Taylor Swift. Like it was great. I mean, I don't care. I think it's happened kanye ran up there was the greatest press ever taylor swift like that was like it was great i mean i don't care i think it's a thing i think it's a

thing now cranes in the sky got one i didn't see what category it was for but i was just best r&b that song of the fucking year yeah all right good as it should have um and solange instagrammed a small tidbit small fact afterward uh She said only two artists have, two black artists have won album of the year over the past 20 years, but over 200 black artists have performed. That's an interesting point. Now, Solange does strike me as one of those

everything is a racial issue. She does strike me as one of those. She's Shea Butter Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's 100% Shea Butter Twitter. But she's right here. Yeah. She's right here. 100's Shea Butter Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's 100% Shea Butter Twitter. But she's right here. Yeah. She's right here.

100%. She's right here. She is. Were you privy to Frank Ocean's letter to the Grammys? Would you read it? I am privy because I'm well informed. Maul, are you privy? I'm not privy.

Well, we don't need to read the letter. The letter is in response to something let me think because i don't know if you caught the story ahead ahead did you i caught ahead of the letter when they post oh no no i caught it at the response the organizer or some shit of the grammys of, I'm not fact checking and my memory is bad. But he was saying that Frank Ocean's performance, was it?

Yeah. Last time at the Grammys. The gay record. Was a bit, was a bit, you know. The visuals were great. Frank sounded like shit,

which he admitted, I think, the next day. It wasn't like this was some shit that festered. He admitted the next day, like, yo, that was really ass. I apologize. Visuals were great. Frank sounded like shit, which he admitted, I think, the next day. It wasn't like this was some shit that festered. He admitted the next day like, yo, that was really ass. I apologize. Visuals looked amazing, but he sounded like shit.

That's great, but why is not Frank, but why is the Grammys guy speaking about last year's shit anyway? This was in 2013. This wasn't last year. Oh, whenever the fuck. Why is he speaking about it? Oh, okay. If I have to just make up an answer, it's because Frank has not submitted his album the same way Macklemore has not submitted his album

to be eligible for contention by your board. Macklemore, I'm not quite sure why he did that, but I support it. Even if he didn't want the backlash that he received when he won, I still support it. I still support it. I still support it. I don't know too much about Macklemore, but from what I've seen, he seems to be in the favor of music and not politics. So I can see him doing that.

Macklemore's a great, great, great guy. So let's read Frank, who you can't say things about gay people. You read it, man. That's too long for me to read. You can't say things about gay people and not think you're not getting sass back. Okay, Ken david in parentheses as much as i hate to make you guys famous or even respond to you directly we starting with sass that's joe not frank we all die one day and you're old so fuck it well god damn

yeah yeah my 2013 performance at the grammmys was absolute shit. Technical difficulties, blah, blah. Thanks for the reminder. Very much appreciated. Fuck that performance, though. You think that's why I kept my work out the Grammy process this year? Don't you think I would have wanted to play the show to redeem myself if I felt that way? Where am I? If I felt that way, in reality, I actually wanted to participate in honoring Prince on the show.

Thank God that didn't happen, Frank. Are you kidding me, Frank? Shut the fuck up. Wait, honoring Prince on the show, but then I figured my best tribute to that man's legacy would be to continue to be myself out here and to be successful. Thank God I agree with that. Winning a TV award doesn't christen me successful.

It took me some time to learn that. I brought all my masters back last year, and the prime of my career. That's successful. He talking that shit right now. Blonde sold a million plus without a label. That's successful. I am young, black, gifted, and independent.

That's my tribute. I've actually been tuning into CBS around this time of year for a while to see who gets the top honor. And you know what's really not great, TV guys? 1989 getting album of the year over to Pimp a Butterfly. Hands down one of the most faulty TV moments I've seen. Believe the people. Believe the ones who'd rather watch select performances from your program on YouTube the day after because your show puts them to sleep. Use the old gramophone to actually listen, bro.

I'm the, let me see. I'm one of the best alive and if you're up for a discussion about the cultural bias and general nerve damage the show you produce suffers from then i'm all for it have a good night that was well well that was frank ocean yeah i like that to the grammy board i love it all first verse by the way i love it but the thing you have to understand with the grammys is is it going to be a popularity way I love it But the thing you have to understand With the Grammys Is it going to be A popularity contest On who streamed the most

Or is it going to be Who created the best music It is a popularity contest And you throw in The occasional backpack album To act like you know about music Yeah And because

They want viewers And if they look at it and say 50 million people listened in 1989 I think those people want to see their album win Well listen I was watching Complex Live shout out to Nadeska And she was interviewing someone from the Grammy board And he was saying

The same sentiment that I've echoed for years We can't trust the process I'm on the Grammy board And they allow me to vote for country music. And you know nothing about it. Not enough to vote. Yeah. I should not be voting.

So you just Google and say, all right, what's the highest? No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Or which one I recognize. I'm saying this is what some members on the board are doing. They just, all right. I don't even think they're doing that. Pick it.

All right. That's the one I heard of. They give you four names. I know I picked the categories I like. but then you have to check every box. So you just fucking check a box. You just check a random box. That's what I do. Or you check something that pops out as familiar.

I heard of this before. Yeah. I mean, maybe they do this or maybe they don't. Breaking it up into sections, having people from the Grammy board be from that culture would make way more fucking sense. Having people from the Grammy board be from that culture would make way more fucking sense. Everyone that's involved in country media, country blogs, this and that, country, even labels, because label people are on it. I hate to burst your bubble, but people are checking off whatever artists they represent.

Doing it that way would make much more sense to me. Agreed. I don't know if I want to give Complex the power to pick fucking Lil Yachty as the greatest rapper of all time. Won't let your shit on Complex. Sorry. Sorry, Rory. Won't let your shit on Complex. Because when do you like Complex now? Complex.

We rocking out here. They're friends of the show. They're your friend. They're friends of the show. I have friends at Complex, too. You got friends at Complex, man. I know I do. And I tell them every day they're fucking retarded.

I have friends at Complex, too. You got friends at Complex? I know I do. And I tell them every day they're fucking retarded. When Eminem performed at Wembley Stadium in London, which seats 100,000, and Slaughterhouse was there, other rappers were there. And I hated that because I'm antisocial. But Chance was there. Did you guys perform?

Yeah. That's pretty cool. Chance performed. Chance was there, and that was the first time I got to meet him and really be around him and peep his energy. And that was the first time I even checked for his music then. And I said, all right, he's good. He's weird.

The music is a little weird, but it's good. Was this around acid rap time probably yes yes yes yes so but i like that but we could tell he was going somewhere well i could i could tell he was going somewhere he was very positive he just had the greatest energy ever i would have loved to spend more time talking and talking to him and observing him, but he was with Tyler, the creator, who I hate. So that just didn't happen. Why do you hate Tyler? Why would I not hate?

Oh, I hate Tyler, the creator. Everything you just named that you love that Frank Ocean represented is the same thing they represent. How? How? How? All right, tell me. Maybe I'm uninformed. Tell me. They're completely independent. Everything that he just named that's successful. They're just stupid.

They're independent and stupid. How are they stupid? Those kids are worth so much goddamn money that they made on their own. Time out. I know what they're worth. I never thought I would be the one defending Odd Future. No, you are exactly the person to defend Odd Future. No, I'm really not.

No, you are. Izzy, tell him. You're a hipster. Maul. That's your honor. Maul he? Tell him. You're a hipster. Maul. That's your art. Maul. I know Rory thinking not a hipster. Jokes aside, I don't listen to Odd Future.

I'm not saying that you do. And I never have. We're not saying that, but you look like the guy that defends Odd Future. I'm 26. Their fan base is 21. I don't know, man. You guys are wrong here. I'm in with the jokes.

Rory gets so mad when we think he's a hipster. There's nothing wrong with being a hipster. Today, it's cool to be a hipster. I think Jim Jones started that hipster shit. That's a different point here or there, though. But go ahead. He popped Day and Night off. All of us love that song because Jim's verse was on it.

He popped that hipster shit off. But continue. I don't think that Jim and Jewel should have started wallet chains. I don't like that. I never agreed with wallet chains. When Maul bought a wallet chain home. Lying. Now lie.

Now lie. Never had a wallet chain. Rory. With the Beanie Simon belt? I know they're successful. I know they're independent. Very much so. Tyler has said a lot of stupid shit out his mouth.

Of course. Of course. Of course. He also has behaved in a way in which someone of my mind would say, okay, I need to stay away from him. Because he's the kid that would just annoy the

fuck out of me. From a personal level. Yeah, of course. Not musically, not his career. I'm only talking about personally. A lot of it is antics. He's also a kid. I don't have time for kid fucking antics. So when I'm at Wembley Stadium. I wasn't debating that point.

Stop, Rory. When I'm at Wembley Stadium and I will. Because the concession stand is mad far. So now me and Joel or Crook go to the concession stand. Of course, I want to smoke. So, of course, I venture away. And now I walk into a tiny little elevator with fucking Tyler, the creator, and Chance, the rapper, and me. Stuck in the elevator.

That shit was miserable. Three guys walk into a bar. Well, no, I can see him being annoying there. I was saying to the point that how could you... I took it deeper than you just being annoyed in the elevator. Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying everything that you just mentioned that you love about Frank Ocean in that statement to the Grammy guy is exactly what Tyler and Odd Future represent. That's why while their music is not.

How do you school me? I'm uninformed there. Can you say that? I have never known them to stand up and fight the good fucking fight against the machine. I knew them to go get hot and then fucking go sign to a machine. What machine are they signed to? None now. They passed on every label that was offering them all this amounts of money.

They do their merch by themselves. They do that huge fucking festival carnival shit all by themselves that has fucking from Erykah Badu to fucking MC. We don't know who the fuck your name is. Everything about them represents doing things on your own and making music that you like and not catering to them. Okay, so I'm taking your word for that. So with that said,

where in that did they stand up and fight the good fight? Rory, I don't just... You're changing the argument now. No, no, no. Let me talk, let me talk, let me talk. I don't just champion

the people that stay independent. Frank, throughout his entire career, has fought against the machine. His whole career. He's also Odd Future. No, he left them too. He left them too. So, I don't

see where they did that. And I don't pretend to be so well versed in my Odd Future. So, listeners Me either. Listeners, correct me, but alright, they've been independent their whole career, but when did they stand up against anything and fight against anything? Telling every label, fuck you. No, no, no.

We're signing ourselves and doing this our own. Before, it was not the easiest thing to do at that time either. I know indie's the wave now, but it wasn't always that way. They were definitely in the beginning of indie of that magnitude, how much they were selling. All right, all right. That all right all right so we just have a difference of no that's just turning something down that's not fighting against yeah telling labels go fuck you publicly telling labels he was tweeting label execs saying go fuck

yourself i'm never signing with you i don't see i don't see that as fighting a good fight i see that as someone who is firm in their decision and what they want to do. I don't see that as fighting the fight. And I'm saying the same thing that Frank is saying that I'm independent. I own all my own shit. That's successful to me. That's the point I was getting at when I said the same thing Frank said is what Odd Future does. And back to that elevator, Chance in that elevator does the same thing because he refuses to sell his music to make other people money. And I don't know if it's completely true, but seemed to change the Grammy board in allowing free music to be represented in the Grammys.

Let me ask you a question. That's fighting against, that's doing action. Just because you don't have a picket sign doesn't mean you're not changing things. It's all action. Go on. Non-action. Action of not selling your music. That's an action.

I don't care. It's semantics. Is Chance independent? Yes. No. I say no. Why?'t care. It's semantics. Is Chance independent? Yes. No. I say no. Why? He's got an Apple deal.

How does he have an Apple deal? Talk on this mic. What's his Apple deal? This is a good conversation, this one. Y'all need to have that talk. All right. I'm not taking it. Go ahead.

You got these deals now. These exclusive, put your music on my platform. His was not exclusive. Color Room Book was an Apple Music exclusive when it first dropped for an hour maybe that's true it was I believe it was two weeks or something like that it was more than two weeks you could not buy that well you can't buy it it's not for sale so it's not like you can go alright iTunes or okay to that point Joe when you exclusivelylusively put out

The Making a Murderer Diss track To just Complex Are you now signed to Complex? No That's a real bad argument How is that a bad argument? You're saying just cause it was exclusive

For a couple days on Apple Music He signed to Apple Music No he did a deal Alright so this is I said Apple Music That's still being independent I'm saying you have a deal. Apple is the way people get music.

Of course you're going to give your music to Apple. You have a deal. With Apple exclusively. With Apple, yeah. Exclusive deal with Apple, the biggest company in the world, to fund you for your music. That's a deal.

Of course, there's nothing any of us can prove here we can speculate. There's nothing we can prove that Chance album was funded by Apple. No, no, no i'm not speculating this is what i know i know that the music business and people failing and people becoming successful and people becoming stars and however their careers are carved out normally comes down to one thing and one thing only because you're right we'll never be able to prove any of it but when you ask this one question of any artist you'll be able to figure it out so this is what it is

how many people lose if they lose? That is the question. If chance? Because no. I want to take this off of chance and say period. Because that's what it comes down to. I am an independent contractor, Joe Budden. If I lose, I lose.

Me. Nobody else else Not Empire Not Apple Not Spotify Nobody I say that to say Okay If Chance lost

Apple lost Did we think Apple was going to lose? So now let me ask you again Is Chance Independent? Yes Did we think Apple was going to lose? So now let me ask you again. Is Chance independent? Yes. Okay. And also from Billboard,

the Apple Music streaming exclusive wasn't actually exclusive at all. A coloring book appeared on Dat Piff shortly at midnight. It was put on and taken off. I saw it when it went on Dat Piff. Where it was available for streaming as a free download actually had, I saw it when it went on DatPiff. Where it was available for streaming as a free download. Yeah, and then right after that, they went and said,

no, this is only supposed to be on Apple Music and it was snatched down. It was put back up later on. Okay, if Chance is signed to them, is he doing that? Is Apple doing that? Who's doing it? Chance is doing it

because he owns his own music. I'm just telling you that that part right there about the album being available on DatPiff, I could go and put fucking Adele on DatPiff right now. It's going to get snatched down. At the same time, it goes out on Apple. I'm telling you that Apple makes more off chance than they do off Joe Budden.

Oh, well, I mean, he could have a deal there. That's a deal with a distributor. Putting your album out is not making you not independent. If you have a deal with Apple, you're not an independent. Yes, you are. Apple did not fund any. They may have taken points off the top of what we know. Rory, do you still think Apple is not only the number one distributor,

but now when you sign a deal there, they have their own built-in infrastructure? That's what I'm well aware of. If you know that, then you'll stop saying the dumb shit that you're saying. That's why I don't understand why people keep telling me the success of Drake. Well, I agree with you, the Drake part, because there's an actual real fucking deal that he signed with Apple that you could look up.

But wait, but the same... Like right now, Chance's pinned tweet right now is coloring book available now at chanceraps.com. Wouldn't it be a fucking

Apple shit if he had some deal over there? No. The exclusivity deal is done. That's streaming with everyone though. Like they're acting like Chance was the first one and only one that ever does that.

No, we're just telling you everyone doesn't have that deal. Everyone don't have that exclusive with. A lot of artists do. Drake, Future, Travis Scott, DJ Khaled. Artists who have signed... Tell me the ones who have that deal, then. Tell me another one.

I just named four. I don't know any of them. I don't know who have and who does not have. Drake, Future, Travis Scott, Khaled. Just name four right there. Those are artists that have exclusivity deals through album labels. And I'm saying that I think

because this is nothing we can prove. I do not believe that Apple fronted Chance to make that album just to put it out on their thing. I think he made that independently put all that studio time was paid for him. Every feature, every fucking beat. And then he said, hey Apple, I have this amazing album.

How about we make a deal? You think Apple put that? You really think Apple put that together? This is where Rory snaps right into fucking 26-year-old land. Find me coloring books because you know more than me. Pull up coloring book and just read me the Features Because it was a lot of features A bunch of people he's already worked with

Kanye West That's not true That is not true Has he worked with Kanye West? All of the people on that album Are not people that he had already worked with Yes he worked with Kanye West Has he worked with Lil Wayne?

Yes he was on Wayne's mixtape Well before this 2 Chainz Don't think it's hard for Chance to get a 2 Chainz feature. I don't think Apple had to get 2 Chainz out. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, see? I want us to stop saying what we think. Both of us. All of us.

We don't know. We don't know. It's alright for people to not know. We don't know. And it is hard to get a 2 Chainz verse. I tried. You're not Chance the rapper. It's still hard for an independent artist. I said Chance. It's hard for any independent

artist to get a 2 Chainz verse. You're not just bumping into 2 Chainz and getting a verse. And if you have his phone number, you're not just casually texting him and getting a verse and having that conversation. I'm great with 2 Chainz after I dissed him over that Jadakiss shit in 2010.

Me and him are great. I'm not going to compare Chance's amazing buzz at this moment to you and 2 Chainz's relationship. No, you're missing my point. You're missing what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. All right. I'm not arguing buzz. I'm saying that is hard.

So that's a feat. That's there. Don't just mock it away. I'm not arguing Buzz. I'm saying that is hard. So that's a feat. That's there. Don't just mock it away. I'm not mocking you. No, no. I'm saying don't just toss that away. I'm sure that's not difficult. That is difficult.

So go ahead. I don't. Jeremiah worked with him a million times. Jerome worked with him. Wait, wait, wait. They have a project together. Chance and Jeremiah have a whole project? They have a Christmas album together.

Recently. Come on, Rory. Jeremiah was on two. Rory, Rory, wait. The Christmas album is this year, right? Recently, right? So what the fuck is he talking about? Because he was on Surf and Acid Rap.

Pull it up. I just want, you know, everybody to love each other. Because I defer to Rory in these incidents because he knows more than me when it comes to these people. But that don't mean I'm going to let him say fuck shit. It ain't easy to get a fucking, it ain't easy to get any of these people in the studio. 2015, his project before Surf, what you did with that Donnie kid. Jeremiah is on Wanna Be Cool. When I saw, let me say what I'm thinking.

When I saw the Coloring Book album, because this wasn't even a talk point, but when I saw that album and I saw the features, they weren't lightweight features. None of them. He's established enough buzz not then no not then no the buzz was going into that though even he had buzz bro he had buzz coming off of Kanye's shit yes nobody is questioning his buzz I'm saying that for an independent artist to maneuver the way that Chance has maneuvered, the percentile is low. Very.

That's it. Rory could be 100% right in everything he's saying. Like I said, I don't know enough about these people. The next one, Justin Bieber. He was on Justin's single in 2013. He's been moving with all these people for quite some time. There wasn't a feature on here that I went, holy fuck, Chance is working with him? It's a bunch of people he's been moving with all these people for quite some time there wasn't a feature on here that i went holy fuck chance is working with him it's a bunch of people he's

worked with i know and i heard it and said he has all of these big features now currently on current music and you think an apple exec emailed to get those features? No, I don't think that independent chance put the project together independently. Well, we'll agree to disagree. And I don't know, but I don't care because it's a mixtape and it won fucking album. No one's happier than me about it. I don't want people to misconstrue my argument because I just like to argue. No one is happier about this chance shit than me makes me think moon music should have got a fucking

so now so now listen now that's where i was fucking going i went to london and i went to london and i not going to spend a lot of time on this because this is Conspiracy Theorist Joe, and this is a Drake thought. I went to London, and they put me on to a bunch of London hip-hop guys. We all knew of Skepto already, Stormzy,

Wretch. They were just filling me in on all of the London hip-hop scene. And in that, guess what's happening? You guessed it. Drake is on the hottest London up-and-coming

songs. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. See, I don't't It's a myth Why y'all Why y'all just did that Why y'all just said that Because I'm not surprised

Time out Let me give you some more context Okay When I say he's on The hottest London song I don't mean He's on The

Whatever the biggest song In London is That's not what I mean The same thing That we talked about The other week Of him and that Florida kid Like he's on An 18 yearyear-old kid named Dave's single.

Dave just started rapping six months ago. He's on that song. The year before it was another artist new of that ilk. Dumb listeners, this is not really a Drake conversation. I only noticed it because it was incredible to me that we never heard any of that shit over here. And then, of course, my brain got to wondering, because it's an amazing idea.

It's great. It's just smart. It's just smart to do. More people should do it if you have that star power. Then I thought, well, how many other places is he doing this in? Well, not him, but Apple or whoever. He's planting seeds, man. I know. thought well how many other places is he doing this in well not him but apple or whoever he's planting seeds man i know which then got me to thinking just my brain and i can my brain is a

nuts wild off place so i'll admit but i'm just going to give you all my train of thought that then got me to thinking how many other places is this happening and that then got me to thinking how long Drake's career will go from starting now. And when I answered that, I then thought maybe Apple is using Drake to segue to what's next. The next sound? Yeah. Absolutely. He's the artist that can bring it in I also think with Apple and streaming It makes Finding new music

Easier than it ever has before Especially from other countries I mean of course The internet made it super easy But this streaming shit The shit is dead in your phone No but let's not change my point I think this is

Tactical analytics here I know it is easy in streaming You're right No but with that Hey I love Drake I'm gonna type in Drake On my Apple Music

Here's some things I might in Drake on my Apple Music. Here's some things I might like. Drake on this fucking English shit. Not only that, you got to remember, those who have Apple Music have access to Beats 1 Radio. Beats 1 Radio bounces from New York to L.A. to London. They play some shit on there, too. I've caught some shit like, damn, who the fuck is this?

You have your check in the phone like, I need to check this out. The more Drake waits to put more life out, the more pressure he puts on himself. We have our OVO representative, Maul, here. Maul, do you disagree with that? Do I disagree with the longer Drake takes to put out more life? The more pressure he puts on himself? No. Or do you think that he's at a point where it don't even matter what he do?

No. There's no pressure on Drake right now. Can there ever be? I mean, yeah. I'm sure one day, but not right now. No. Give me your take on the whole of bars. Of course there's pressure.

Wait. We got an argument. There we go. That's what I'm looking for. On Drake to put out a successful album? I Yeah Any person that's at the top of their game It has pressure to continue doing that More pressure than someone that has Hey Pat is there something to drink

In the fridge or out there somewhere I already checked Really Before you I don't think pressure is the right word for Drake though I think what It's a lot You know people are anticipating

It's a lot of anticipation I would say there's a lot of anticipation But But Drake Drake Okay Pressure Take the numbers out People are anticipating. Get soda from downstairs. There's a lot of anticipation. I would say there's a lot of anticipation. But Drake, Drake, okay. Pressure. Take the numbers out. The numbers are going to be there. We know that.

The numbers, no matter what he does, it could be. The music is going to be there. If you look at the rap. The music has always been there. That's not true. When has Drake put out whack music? I'm not saying whack, but if you look at all the reviews of the last album, I'm talking about magazine reviews, everyone is saying it's a little step back. It's not as hot as everything else.

This is not what we expected from him. This ain't really it. And Ice loves it. Because it may have been because it's not your typical Drake sounding album. It was, though. It was. I love views. It is a Drake album.

No, it's a Drake album But he hates the sound Outside of Outside of Controlla One Dance And maybe one other record It's the same album He puts out

A bunch of singing records Some rapping records It's the same He didn't venture off too far And everybody is saying Like you know what I still think Even if he put out

Fucking Thriller There's more pressure Now that you're this big You have to deliver You have to continue I know one thing If he put out an Thriller, there's more pressure now that you're this big. You have to deliver. You have to continue. Yeah, Rory might be right. I know one thing. If he put out an album and start telling me what him and his bitches doing at Cheesecake,

it's going to be another problem for me. What should it be for Cheesecake? You can't talk about it no more. I can talk about it. If he on More Life start telling me about what him and his bitches doing at Cheesecake Factory, I am going to talk about it. People want to hear about it. I was arguing with bitches at Cheesecake way before Drake. You going to talk about it People want to hear about it I was arguing with bitches

At Cheesecake way before Drake But You also defend our future People want to hear that though It makes sense Because the reality is Yo Marlon This is the reality

The reality is Niggas go to Cheesecake Word And argue And argue And we argue You know Thank you for that Marlon

That's I mean it's going to connect to somebody is what I'm saying. I have not argued in cheesecake. You have not. But I'm just saying, people out there, a lot of people can relate to that. I mean, okay, whatever. But it's just they can relate to that. You know what's funny about you saying that?

Tell me when the last time you had an argument with a girl. And then tell me the last time you went to cheesecake with a girl. That's my point You stop fucking fighting But that's me though That's me So you don't For every me

There's 20 niggas that have done that Nah, no It's not 20 for every you I mean, I'm just saying There's niggas out there That can relate Alright, I don't want to spend Too much time on that

Which is why he's hopping on The new wave The new sound Before it becomes cool He can be like I brought that in He did it with Jamaica Now he's hopping on the new wave, the new sound before it becomes cool. He could be like, I brought that in. He did it with Jamaica. Now he's moving on. Yeah.

He gave us the whole. You know what I mean? Like, he just trying to show that he's an artist and he can any genre of music. He's just connecting back to his roots, which is rap. I don't care enough about Drake. He's a great artist that we definitely need. The pressure is on for more life. I don't care what you're doing. It is pressure on. The pressure's on. There that we definitely need. It is pressure on, though. For more life.

I don't care what you do. It is pressure on. Pressure's on. There's pressure for Beyonce. There's pressure for Rihanna. Anyone of that caliber. Okay, those type of artists work under pressure. It's not pressure like that.

But they work well under that pressure. It's proven. It's not pressure like that for Rihanna. That's why they're stars. That's debatable. That's proven. To every artist we just named. That's why they're stars.

Beyonce has been in a position now Where she has to keep delivering And she has kept delivering Rihanna Who else Drake I mean Yeah but

The difference is They not the ones that's Coming off of a Last album that Got A bunch of subpar reviews It puts more pressure on you Than normal

Okay so if his last album Got subpar reviews And he has done What on you than normal. Okay, so if his last album got subpar reviews and he has done what he's done with that album. We would expect that fire is coming. That's it. It puts more pressure on him than normal. That's all I'm saying. He has more pressure on life.

I've been expecting that from Drake, but I've been expecting that from Drake for years now, and he has not ever had me feeling like he's had a whack year. How do we feel? Listen, listen. How do we feel? Listen, listen. How do we feel about the Hov jabs? Were those Drake jabs?

I don't know. They were. They were definitely Drake. Wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Just so I understand what we're talking about. You're talking about

the Hov record that just came out? The Hov and Beyonce. The Barbecue Do Your Dishes record. I like that song, by the way. That song is hard. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. the barbecue do your dishes record i like that song by the way that song is hard fuck anyone who says otherwise shining right now for me that's all i like it a lot so y'all think that because y'all thought that y'all thought that uh remy was throwing shots at nikki and i said she wasn't y'all disagree with me and she remy came out and said yo come on i'm just saying that. She said when she had the conversation with Nicki, she was like, yo, this is exactly what

we talked about. Hold on, man. I'm just telling you what she said out of her mouth. We can't speculate anything. Yes, we can. She said it out of her mouth. We can only expect that that's the truth. She said it out of her mouth about her.

All right. About herself. She spoke about herself. Back to Drake and and jay yeah give me drake and hobe beef all right i don't think there's a beef that's what i'm trying to tell you just like y'all thought it was a remy and nikki beef and i said no and i said no it's fun to talk about more we didn't really think that they had a i don't i don't think jay and drake have been doing this for like three years now yeah but i don I don't think it's beef. No, it's not beef.

No, it's jazz. Jay is 50. He ain't got time to be. But jazz is part of the sport. So we asked what you think about the jazz. I don't think that was a jab, though. I don't think anything Jay said in that verse was a jab. Did you hear the verse thoroughly?

More don't think nothing is a jab unless I say it. No. This nigga's crazy. No, man. He can defend everybody else but me. No, that's not true. Can you read the bars, Rory? Before I read those more,

did you think Drake was dissing J on 30 for 30? He threw some shots. Direct. Yeah. Without saying his name. Yeah? He threw some shots. All right.

I know you're not out here talking numbers, right? I know you're not out here talking summers, right? Who's the only artist that's been doing summer 16? Who else? only artist that's been doing summer 16? What other rapper has been saying those two direct things? Y'all niggas, man. Y'all would dissect anything to a... That don't take that...

All right. That is what a podcast is about. Yeah. All right. I know you ain't walking around talking down, saying boss shit when you're really just a runner, right? Jay owns all his own shit Drake has signed him About ten different bosses

Hold on Let me ask you a question Was Jay Talking to Drake on I got the keys Of course So why wouldn't he be Talking to him on here

Yo Cause I think Jay is It's like There's nothing else To keep talking about Yeah there is I'm gonna keep jabbing you Nah Jay's not No he's not gonna keep jabbing nothing else To keep talking about Yeah there is I'm going to keep jabbing you Nah Jay's not

No he's not going to keep jabbing So who's he talking about He's going to address it And then it's that shit Who's talking It's a JV I don't know man I think that's

I mean I don't know anyone else Talking about numbers And summers And talking like a boss Back to back I know this hurts, Maul I know it's painful

But it's I know, I know It's not painful I mean, I just don't I think that we start to Dissect too much after a while And we think too deep into shit That's true

I also think Jay and Drake both know that So they do this Yeah, but But Jay's track record He he's not going to, he don't keep addressing some shit, though. His track record shows that. He'll address something if he feels like it's worth it. So you're saying Jay don't jab back, like come back?

No, but not to the same shit, though, not to the same person. No, no, no. See, and that's where I disagree with you more. I agree. I don't think Hov is beat To keep replying To the same thing I think Hov keeps replying

To new things from Drake Yeah I don't think he's replying To something old They playing ping pong But it's been addressed though It's nothing new Yeah, I agree with that

He said this before He said that before Yeah He said that before Yeah, but you gotta give up Going to numbers Like y'all don't talk We know

Y'all know it's fiction Right from rap fact Whatever that whole shit He said that before Yeah but you gotta Go into numbers Like y'all don't talk We know Y'all know it's fiction Right from rap fat Whatever that whole shit He said that before So it's like nigga Jay's not gonna keep No I don't think so So back to that particular record

I don't think that So you think when When Well Jay doesn't write shit down When Jay was mumbling in his head Before he rapped this shit He said I know you're not Talking numbers right

I know you're not Talking summers right And Drake was not In his brain at all I don't know You think he's just subconscious i don't know how much isn't jay he jay got a lot of shit in his brain drake has of course naturally has crossed his mind before and he they had some words but i don't think that last record is it vice versa and then drake is right now let me ask you this do you think it's going to be some

some jay shots on more life? Which is not finished. I'm sure we'll dissect something into a J ball. I'm asking you. He's already said he'll be done with it in about a week and a half. He's been saying that for mad weeks. I'm going to give him benefit of the doubt, especially after this. I'm going to give him benefit of the doubt.

All right, you know what? I got to put some more shit on here. Well, no. I don't think Drake is going to move his schedule because J said, I know you're not talking numbers, right? If records ain't done, I could slip a bar or two in here now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no. I don't think Drake is going to move his schedule because Jay said, I know you're not talking numbers, right? If records ain't done, I could slip a bar or two in here now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. I have some shit I'm working on. I'm going to slip some bars in here on this one now. When more life come out, Drake will have to find a new tour buddy

because Future's now on his own. With Tory Lanez. With Tory Lanez. New Toronto. And Migos And someone else Who I don't remember

Kodak Black Young Thug ASAP Ferg ASAP Ferg Wait Young Thug Wait they're on there too I think I'm up the whole tour

I didn't see that Wait wait That changes things Young Thug That is not true That is 100% true That sounds like a great tour Spot dates

ASAP Ferg and Young Thug. Oh, on the bottom it says that. Yeah, spot dates. The ones with the snake next to them. And that's called the Nobody Safe Tour. And Future's been saying, nobody safe, I'm coming for all y'all. That sounds like nobody is safe.

Now, this was interesting to me because I'm obsessive and I fucking overthink everything. Who's Drake going to tour with? That'd be easy though for him to figure out. Yeah, I don't think that'd be difficult. Yeah, that's not tough. This is an interesting tour, this future Migos, Tory, Kodak.

Real quick, was that Tory Lanez in that fight video or not? No, I don't think so. I hope not. No, no, no. I don't want it to be. No, no, no, no, no. There is a video with Tory fighting, but that video that's the funny one where the homie keep missing swinging, that's not Tory Lanez.

Wait, so there is a video? No, no. Fuck you. There is a video of Tory fighting, I think, some promoters or something from some city. I don't know. Well, the way his jump shot form is, I could see his swinging. No, but that's not Tory. I don't like the way every time something happens with Tory Lanez, I become the spokesperson for it. That's your guy. Yeah. That's your guy. That's your MCD. I don't like the way every time something happens with Tory Lanez, I become like the spokesperson for it.

Like niggas start texting me. That's your guy. Yeah. That's your guy. That's your MC. I don't like that. I like joking with them all like that. I don't like when the jokes are about me.

But no, but that really is your guy. That's your homie. That's a cancer or whatever the sensitive one is. I do like Tory Lanez. Yeah. You don't say. So I don't care what y'all say. Whatever, nigga.

There was something else Rest in peace Al Jarreau Al Jarreau Yes rest in peace man That was Yeah I used to I remember Armand

Playing all that Al Jarreau Yeah Rest in peace Al Jarreau I know a lot of you young people Are clueless on Al Jarreau But use your Googles What else did I want to get to Who the fuck is this Jersey City number That keeps calling my phone I know a lot of you young people are clueless on Al Jarreau, but use your Googles. What else did I want to get to?

Who the fuck is this Jersey City number that keeps calling my phone? Oh, so, all right. So here we are. I know we've already spoke for mad long, but we didn't even get to the topic that I wanted to get to. First of all, wait, before we go any further, Blackheart Amani in stores right this second. In virtual stores right this second, I stores Right this second I mean No physical We have digital out Go to iTunes

Go to your streaming services Go wherever you go To listen to music If you love R&B Imani's Black Heart Project Is out Not distributed through Moon Music Entertainment

So fuck him But support a real nigga Because there's great music on there No bias I have not stopped listening to it for two days. It's fucking phenomenal. No bias, three of them shit is trash. Outside of that, the other seven, I'm rolling.

I'm rolling. I'm rolling. It's a good Valentine's Day. Great. Well, it's tough. I don't know if I could just be like, you know what's going to get you in the mood, babe? My homeboy. Yeah, yeah.

Nah, can't do it. Never play any of that. Well, see, Now that's why Fuck you E Listen No way But that's why it's kinda dope For me at least

That Imani is still Relatively unknown Because when you put it on When I put it on I don't tell bitches It's E He ain't gonna shoot no videos How they gonna know

Unless we tell him You think I'm giving that nigga props Nah I'm just trying nigga props? Nah. I'm just trying to get him some fans so later on we can rock. But the Black Heart Project is great.

It's amazing. So shout out to Amani. You did a phenomenal job even with living in L.A. So kudos to you. Second, because people keep mentioning it to me

and we never mention it here and now y'all think that we hating when we are not. Run the Jewels, there. We've said Run the Jewels because they put a project out, too. Yeah, Run the Jewels is great. I didn't know we had to come out. But we never talk about it here, so people think that we're hating, I guess,

because I'm Rage and then Royce is Prime, so maybe I don't want to big up the other fucking, but I love them. They a great album. So I don't care about that But what I will say is Lupe put a project out I'm sure you guys Haven't heard it

Because the internet Hasn't said it's cool To listen to Lupe Oh darn it I haven't heard it yet either No I'm talking about The listeners Not y'all

Oh okay No Rory I know you're one of the people That respect Lupe Maul has always Not respected Lupe What? I hope you put that of the people that respect Lupe. Maul has always not respected Lupe. What?

I hope you put that on camera. No, no, no. I remember a long time ago. That's a gif. Remember, Maul? I used to bring up random artists to Maul. Chris, can you turn that into a gif, please? I like Lupe. I've always liked Lupe.

I just remember asking you, and granted, it might have been a loaded and unfair question, but I remember saying, Maul, and this was like in 2012 or just a while ago when we was in Edgewater. And I was like, Maul, Beanie Lupe. And you shitted on Lupe. In comparison to Beans? Yeah, I'm more Beans than Lupe, but that don't mean I don't fuck with Lupe. I fuck with Lupe. I was asking Maul who the better rapper was And he was shitting on Lupe

No I wasn't I wasn't shitting on him Technical rapper I wasn't shitting on him I'm just saying Me personally I think Beans is a better rapper Than Lupe

Me personally That might not be The popular opinion I'm just saying But that's not I don't I respect Lupe though I know people don't fuck with Lupe's

Skill set Because it's so high There's a few people That have really really Their skill sets Are too high Yeah Like Lupe's skill set because it's so high. There's a few people that have really, really, their skill sets are too high. Yeah. Like Lupe, Los. Yeah.

Royce. Yeah. But Royce. It's not popular. Royce is different in there though. Royce can bring it down the way you can still. Lupe just be out there. Like Royce can make music and it's not, his technicality is easily digestible.

Like Lupe rhyming a bunch of syllables sometimes is not as easy as it is to listen to Royce. I disagree. I say that's a talent that Royce has. I agree with that. I think Royce has to... I meant that in a really good way. Yeah, I agree with you.

I think Royce... My theory is that the artists that provide lower quality music have to really try hard to make high quality music, and that's all we focus on. But the artists that make high quality music have to really, really focus and try to lower that quality. So when Royce is making himself digestible, I credit that to him exerting energy into being digestible, that would probably behoove Lupe and King Los as well. The thing is, we know Lupe can do it.

It was weird. With Food and Liquor and The Cool, he had that. And then all of a sudden, he just got really too good at rapping, and it was like, I can't really listen to shit no more. Well, no, that's when. Normally, when people get a little off and weird, normally I can pinpoint the label trouble.

Oh, well, his shit with Atlantic was all fucked up. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, yeah, Lupe might have weirded himself out the game, and you still can't fuck me in Street Fighter, nigga, if you listen to my...

But let me just get that out there. Yeah, so he might have weirded himself out the game, but I'm sure that Atlantic shit had a lot to do with that. But Lupe is taking pictures with samurai swords and fucking white robes he's a black belt four times over I'm just gonna stop talking about it right now Waka and Gucci uh there was diss records right I didn't I didn't

listen I'm actually Ice take this one away I'm sure Ice knows everything you know Ice knows everything about Kid Hop yeah who the fuck is Kid? Kid Hop is the lower form of hip hop. All the people you listen to. Waka and Gucci don't apply to that. I wasn't talking about them. Oh, all right. Yeah, Waka did a radio interview and he was just saying how

basically they're tired of Gucci claiming Zone 6, East Atlanta Center, all of that when you ain't been there. You can't come back there. Well, he was in jail. Even after, but then he pulled the point.

He said, you know, how many videos has he shot there since he came home? He can't come back to the hood, basically is what he's saying. I'm not shooting a video in the hood when my girl is beautiful and my house is beautiful and I can shoot it there. I agree. What the fuck am I going to the projects for? I said that on Twitter. I completely agree.

The response to that was, well, stop claiming that hood then. Stop claiming that. Why? That's where I'm from. I'm agreeing on Twitter. I completely agree. The response to that was, well, stop claiming that hood then. Stop claiming. That's where I'm from. I'm agreeing with you. We on the same page here. It's the lower, like more immature way of thinking is you just got to be in the hood. To be considered a gangster hood rapper, you have to be in the hood. You can't leave the hood.

If you're not helping your neighborhood and claiming it, yeah, you have some right to say that. If you're not uplifting it, not just shooting a video in the projects with people that you used to fuck with. And we don't know what Gucci's doing in the hood.

That's what I'm saying. We don't know. But Waka's point was you're not doing anything for the hood, in the hood. Stop claiming the hood. You ain't been here

in a long time. You can't come back here. That's it. Waka goes in and out of streams of consciousness where he's super articulate and to the point. And then other times I'm like, who the fuck is speaking right now?

I don't know what Waka has going on. Not sure why he's really making the rounds. I was going to talk about this radio story because I was just segwaying into this. Walk a story with a radio DJ that keeps calling him nigger. Yeah, I heard the clip.

And my mom really wanted me to touch on it and the more I read, I don't know if I even want to do that. I don't even know if I want to bring light to this type of... Well, the guy is to not bring... We shouldn't bring light to it because the guy is super ignorant. He's got a pattern of this. This is not like... This is his thing. Yeah shouldn't bring light to it because the guy is super ignorant he's got a pattern of this

this is not like this is his thing yeah there's really no reason so this is like the Facebook chick that everybody was bigged up and made a star

and all that shit but I'm I'm a huge advocator on being accountable for the things you say and I think he picked the wrong person to say that about

so I think this will probably stop because I think Waka is about it oh I want to read more about it. I've never heard about it. Yeah, I wouldn't know what's going on.

Whatever. Okay, well, that's the news from the trap. Listen, so real quick. News from the trap. That's a new segment. I might have to do that. And this is not CNN or fake news, and I'm not talking politics, but preliminary impeachment papers have been filed on Trump.

I just want y'all to know that that happened. It's preliminary. I know nothing more. Just keeping you up to date and abreast. They're trying to get him to fuck out. Now, on to something way more important than all that we've discussed already. I felt like Rory wanted to take me to homey court for

something that had nothing to do with me, but because I wanted to be a lawyer in my former life, I accepted said challenge. So, I'm in my house minding my business. Rory then starts hitting me, asking me why all of my friends are fucking

into your love. I then hit Rory back to tell him, first of all, I didn't know who it was. Like, yo, who's this? I didn't have Rory's number saved. You called me at 7 a.m. this morning and said, happy Valentine's Day. I did, I did.

Let's not go there. Hey, no, we're going there right after this. So I said, how the fuck would I know why all these people are fucking India Love? I don't give a fuck about India fucking love, but Ross is fucking India Love. So now the question on Twitter always turns to, why do the same 10 chicks continue to be rotated among celebrities? Rory thought that I had the answer to this. Well, you're a rapper.

None of us are rappers. And a rapper actually answered me. Oh, really? Slim Thug responded and said, his first response said, because bad chicks like ballers. I said, okay. I hate your mic. He responded and said, pause. I was debating that pause.

If I should even put it out there. No, no, no. I got you. I got you. That was a pause. If I should even put it out there. No, no, no. I got you. I got you. That was a pause. A moment in time. Pause, a moment in time. All right, all right.

So, yeah, Slim Thug, I put the question out there. I said, yo, why do you rappers and athletes keep fucking the same six chicks? So Slim Thug responded to me and said, it's because bad chicks like ballers. I then said, okay, so does that mean there's only... I said, does that mean there's only six bad chicks out there? He responded and said, the industry is small. We see the same people at the same parties. So I guess to answer your question is the industry is small.

That's why they're fucking with the same six chicks. I don't like that now. Because there's not really... There used to be industry parties. There's not really industry. And mind you, the people with this new blog, Digital Age, there's not popping people at those events. It's a lot of weirdos. That's just a response.

And there's never bitches. Fellas, listen. It's very simple. I have the key. Just ask. All right, more. The reason why The same chicks Fucking the same niggas

Is because Niggas are groupies For groupies That's the era we in Oh we've said that for a while Niggas are groupies For groupies A nigga don't wanna fuck a chick

Unless she has a name She's known She's been around But this is my only thing See I don't I don't mind men being groupies for the groupies. But just utilize some discretion. Well, I think that takes the purpose away. Game was fingering India Love in the park.

That's kind of lit, by the way. It is for game. Not for the next guy who's cuddled up with india love on instagram but you know what though that just goes to show that niggas be like a niggas you see your man in a relationship and niggas be having lusty thoughts for your chick on the low. Niggas be having lusty thoughts for they man's chicks, yo. That's a fact. Like, your man bring a chick around, and you think she bad. Like, niggas have done that.

And then we're going to make Tricky Ricky t-shirts. Yo, Maul is talking about the elephant in the room, and that's kind of, I'm with it. I mean, I agree. You know what I'm saying? That's what it is. Because that was going to be my response to Rory.

It's not that rappers are fucking the same chicks. Mm-hmm. Because the term she fucked a homie is from regular crew. Regular crew, bitches is fucking crew.

Okay. Well, to that point, average men do not have the same amount of accessibility to women that rappers do. So it makes them- Y'all do now. Y'all do now. Yes, y'all do.

Y'all have the same accessibility. I know you can make that point, but for her to reply, she's replying to a rapper- Of course. Before you. Oh, yes. Of course. So while men say that- Maybe.

Like, yeah. Whoa, wait, wait, wait. Time out. A certain tier. Stop. See, it's a certain tier- Fair fair fair Of women

That Nigga stop it I remember a while ago I think it was A year It was actually one year ago I called Maul Because Maul knows everything

About everybody And it was this chick I was Had saliva foaming Out my mouth Like a dog Oh yeah I remember I called Maul so fast

I said Maul Yeah I only wanna know Who this person is I called Maul so fast, I said, Maul. Yeah. I only want to know who this person is. Know what Maul said to me? Oh, that's such and such. Coolest chick in the world. Leave it alone. Yeah.

I said, leave it alone. But leave it alone? What do you mean leave it alone? That's it. Joe. Leave it alone. Leave it alone. Yeah.

So that immediately Allowed me to get into I ain't even want That bitch anyway Of course You know I was able to give myself All the man shit

Yeah And no longer Look at her like that But there are tiers There's levels Like Mink said Yeah So granted

Some of those Bitch Bernice is not hitting Regular people back Right No Bernice isn't hitting A lot of rappers back

Yeah That's a fact Yeah I don't know why Like Bernice wasn't in Regular people back Right No Bernice isn't hitting A lot of rappers back Yeah That's a fact Yeah I don't know why Like Bernice wasn't in Bebe But anyway Well people grow Okay But that means

You were still in Bebe Bitch And I love Bernice But I hate when Don't try to get fucking snobby But I love Bernice But Bernice has always Been that Bernice

So I can't be mad at her She just ain't fucking With regular niggas But there's a low India Love will hit Get you back India Love is hitting you back Listen man

And her sister's hitting you back Listen I can give you Maula give you a list And I'll hit you back Well there is this Listen man There is this group of angels

On Instagram That No it's not They disbanded There's not a group of angels It's one angel Not Taz Angels I'm saying

There's a group of women That are at that Bad bitch Instagram tier, and their thing is, I don't date rappers. So they love to respond to the regular guy because it makes them feel like they're not Listen, man, there's only one thing standing in between you and fucking who you deem to be the baddest bitch, and that's just- This could get rapy. Drake.

No. Drake. Drake. It's just No Me No It's just It's just timing

And opportunity Them four niggas Take a lot off the plate Yeah But The thing is Not really though Because a lot of chicks

That these niggas smashed Other niggas smashed too That's not on they level Oh yeah A lot of these chicks Come from neighborhoods Where they was letting Yeah

Yeah The guy down the project Hallway fuck And still to this day After they leave The VIP party But you know what You know who addressed

That perfectly Pusha had a verse On his album Where he spoke about that And he said You know what I'm saying We in the hood We didn't notice your star

Like we didn't notice You was like a diamond in the rough and then you fucked with a ball player or athlete and now you like you we can't even say get a what's up from you basically like but we we didn't see that in you we didn't we took you for granted because you was just a girl from the block and then somebody else outside of the block saw you was like hold up she's back she's a she's a star. We're in different times right now. It's funny you just said that because I was staring at a Grammy picture of Cardi and Offset, right, and she's dating him.

And they both were icy. They both looked amazing. They both were glowing. Offset, we expect that he's getting a lot of money, and Cardi's getting money too. But together, they were illuminating. And the first thing I thought was, you know, I'm from New York, so I have a different view and image of Cardi.

I love her, but I've been in aces. I've been in lust. I've been in these places. So the Cardi I know and the Cardi that the, you know, Maughlin was one of the first people to say that years ago to that, you know, the New York homegrown stock, the out of towners think that they are like all Bernices. Yeah.

Like every last one of them. Boy, did Holly fall off quick. We'll edit that out. We'll talk later. Another elephant in the room about rappers that that hasn't been brought up here a lot of rappers were whack they didn't get bitches so they only know the three bitches that are i should stop saying bitches i'm sorry the three women that are being passed around they were never live when they were growing up they never got women until they got that's what i said what I said. I tweeted that. Which is why...

But that don't matter anymore. Which is why I loved when I found out that Drake and J. Lo were an item. And I'm going to tell you why I loved it. No, I'm going to tell you why I loved it.

Because that's the epitome... Disappointment. No, listen. That's the epitome of being somewhere and you thinking that, damn, she bad. I will never ever

Like she's way out of my reach Cause there was a time Drake was young I'm sure he saw J-Lo Like we all did And was like God damn And you would never think

That you would have a shot at that You know what I'm saying And then fast forward Years later It's like Yeah But to me That's why I love that

Because that It shows you directly Like dog You can hit that Yeah but you also Have to become Drake To hit that But my thing is

My thing is It's still But my thing is You go from It never ever being Even a thought That it could happen To

Oh yeah that happened But even then If you strip that That's crazy If you strip that To where Drake is J-Lo is a chick From Castle Hill Projects You even then If you strip that That's crazy If you strip that To where Drake is J-Lo is a chick From Castle Hill Projects

You know Yeah I've never thought like that When you strip that I mean we all come from somewhere You understand Like we But when you

You would have to strip A lot of shit Before you get back To that with J-Lo Oh yeah You understand what I'm saying And that's my point But it's like

At one point Not too long ago Drake was in a position Where he never thought He would probably ever. You're right. You do have to strip a lot of shit. So everyone's star fuckers.

However, it's still there. Yeah, no. It's there. Underneath it all. It's there. You ain't got to strip it. It's just there. Yeah, but sometimes you don't get to strip away them layers is what I'm saying.

All right, but give me, I don't care enough about all of that. When people say that the same women are being tossed around, who are they talking about? India, Karuchi, Lyra. Yeah,

Lyra's in there. It would be, it would be any chick that the consensus feels is like the super fine chick or the super sexy chick. Nah,

it's this chick you see popping up on his Instagram on a date with him and then a couple months she with him. But it changes every like three years. I would have to be a fool to think that

Sin has not dated a rapper before me. I would have to be an idiot to think that. Eric Amenta did have a music career at one point. But know what I mean? Let's get that on the record. What I'm saying is like I don't know

where niggas is from that they just put so much past people right why why why why today women are fucking quicker than the men more frequently yes they're initiating it's happening it's happening out there I'm not defending the rappers and this shit. Well, no, and also the other point to that, to close this, is it's not, no one is knocking them for all smashing the same chicks. That happens from the projects to the fucking billionaires. We're saying stop. Like, they're not trophies. They're not your wife.

Like, every last one of them is wifing this bitch and putting them on Instagram. That's where everyone's like, all right, this is nuts. Yeah, if you hitting something, you know everybody else is hitting it. You know it ain't... How do you know that everybody else is hitting it? You seen it! You're at all the industry parties. Nah, not my baby.

Nah, I'm not really seeing it. Nah, niggas fight that all the time. Find you a nice regular woman. They... And do what? And then what do we do? She's sucking regular dick too. Yep.

She's sucking regular nigga dick. I think that people, I think that there's a large underground, and this is conspiracy theorist Joe again, I think there's a large underground market for kidnapped kids. What the fuck are you talking about? You got to lay off the CSI, my brother.

Turn that shit off. What the fuck are you talking about right now? And where's the fucking kids at? You sound like you want to come out and let us know some shit. Where the kids at, man? Don't do this. We could go about this another way, man.

Leave that. Turn the CSI off Every other day I'm reading a post About a missing kid Oh like on social media Retweet And I get an Amber Alert

Every other week It's always a Nissan I don't think that many people Are just losing kids No no no But this is the thing We don't think that because there was another time where we would hear about a missing kid in iowa here in new york that

would be local news we get everything right here in the palm of our hands now so it it was happening back in the days like kids that shit was always happening but now we just know about it like more i think like like faster. All right. I'm just telling you what I think. I could be wrong. I think that there is a market for human flesh. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that kids are being abducted. Absolutely.

So as stock and they're being traded. That's what I think is happening. No, I cannot prove any of it. No, but it's been proven. That's what I think is happening No I cannot prove any of it No but it's been proven Like you said it's been happening It's just the internet makes the world so small That we see it everywhere We would have never heard about it happening in Cali

I think all the black people are getting shot Because there's a market for it It's a hidden They're keeping points It's a point system Well I mean America's about business And I'm ending this podcast Cause it's Valentine's Day

And I'm not fucking with y'all But I'm about to say dog Leave the CSI Alright fine CSI Joe is fucking crazy I'm just trying to read All the shit that I can change

Alright alright I'm off it I'm off it I'm off it I'm off it That was the weirdest moment In the podcast So let me say this though

Because I'm backtracking Cause Rory tried to throw me Under the bus. That was creepier than when he said he was mad that the little kids at Stranger Things didn't fuck the other little girl. The alien, yeah. Yo, hold on. Speaking of which, because I watched it, I want y'all to watch it, and I want to hear

what y'all think about this shit, because I was highly pissed off yesterday. My timeline suggested I watched some bullshit, right? Yeah, you don't blame it on timeline. It was a hundred. That's why I found half this shit. What y'all was watching. What you and Shorty was watching. Hell nah. This shit is called Strange Things About the Johnsons.

It's a Netflix movie. I was going to say. Wait a minute. What popped up when you typed that in on Google? If you hate somebody If you hate somebody Let them watch that movie

That shit is worse Well I'm curious What popped up When you typed that in On Google Strange things about Johnson No no no I ain't Googled this shit

They said yo It's on YouTube If you want to watch it Or it's on Netflix Swear to God You ain't Googled it I don't know I can check

I can check It's cookies Stranger things about Johnson What the fuck Pause A moment in time. Jesus Christ.

Wait, cookies? Yes. I'm going to just run through. We missed Adele and the Black Friends comment. I didn't think too much into that. I just think black and friends is a trigger word. Yeah, that's all it is. People are sensitive once they hear my black.

Which is why I thought that it could have been worded better. Not that there was something wrong with what she was saying. I do think that she was extremely sincere. I think she meant every word of it. But it could have been worded better. And I'm not even from sensitive get offended over everything.

I agree with the wording. I don't think it meant anything by it. I'm trying to think Did we miss Oh To end our argument with Frank Ocean He has the same deal That Chance has with Apple

So If he's independent So is Chance No He's not independent either Oh okay That's fine And to my argument

I think it was last week Or the week before When y'all said that Fake love wasn't a big record Oh I got murdered for that Okay I when y'all said that uh fake love wasn't a big record oh i got murdered for that okay i know y'all got murdered with people showing you numbers which didn't refute what we were saying we were saying that its impact is yeah his impact is no longer as great as it was his numbers are still reflective of him being a megastar disagreed that anytime of us disagreed that. I had the conspiracy that Apple put,

because that shit is at the top of, anytime I go on Apple Music, fake love, click it now. Hey, so all you idiots telling me how much fake love is being played on the radio in Kansas City where you are, that's paid for. That doesn't speak to my point about impact.

And that's why, see, I don't listen to radio, and I could always gauge how impactful Drake was, because no matter where you were, you were going to hear it. And that was my point. I was getting ready to go to there. Drake dropped three records that night, that fake love dropped. People can't even name the other two. Two Birds, One

Stone. I thought he was wrapping his ass over that. I really enjoyed that. I forgot the other one, though. That's my point. Yeah, I don't remember it. Before, that other one, though. That's my point. Yeah, I don't remember it. Before, that would have happened. Yeah, that would have never happened. That was my point right there. It would not happen before. All of them records are going.

Well, I knew that. I don't think a lot of people could say two birds, one stone. The other one, I know, because it has 21 Savage on it. Oh, yeah. That was that record. But I'm just saying, it just goes to show for him, the impact ain't there. His records would all take off as soon as it dropped. Yeah, I'm rolling.

Quick points. UConn Huskies, they've won 100 games. None of y'all bitches have beaten them. That's it. They're ruining women's basketball. Well, you did 100 episodes. And no one's beating us. And no one's beating us.

I don't even see y'all other podcasts drop very often to be honest with you. Mm-hmm. Y'all don't drop as quickly anymore. And I ain't even talking about,

I'm not talking about tax. He has a valid reason. I mean the rest of you niggas. I would say tax has a pretty good reason. I want to know who's running taxes Twitter and Instagram.

Is it people posting? I follow Tax on both. I haven't seen anything. Yeah, he's selling fucking free Tax merch. I know it ain't him. Good for him. Yeah, good for him. Maybe I'll buy a shirt.

I'm not even touching on Troy Ave's court outfit. I don't want to talk about it. No, no, no. I'm not doing it. I just want to ask, is Troy Ave still saving the kids from becoming weirdos, or is he the weirdo? No, but about Troy Ave, though, did you hear the latest development in that case? No, that was a great one-liner by Roy.

They said, the prosecutor said his DNA is not on the weapon at all. So they're ruling, they're ready to take off the attempted murder. For Troy? We knew that. This was just, this just fucking came out last night. Well, the conclusion. I mean, we knew what the DNA was, was just This just Well the conclusion I mean we knew What the DNA was But

They just Released the fucking statement But doesn't he still have to Sit Cause they showed up To the hospital With three guns The one that was in the spot

And two other guns That just were in the whip So doesn't he have to Answer for those I don't know I'm just talking about I don't know One part

I know that Bulletproof vests Are illegal to own, so I doubt that that was a real one, which means that you wore it for the optics of it, and that means you haven't learned very much. I mean, if I got shot twice, I would be terrified and wear a bulletproof vest,

but that was the first thing I thought. I said, I don't even think those are legal, and if they are legal, why would you wear one to a courtroom? And I don't think wearing a hat that implies that you're cooking crack is probably the best thing to go to a hearing in. Yeah. But, you know.

KKK dude died. Said his kids killed him, right? It said his kids or wife, one or the other. Makes me no difference. I don't wish death on anybody, but we want to do that. You know, some people have to go. Well, shit, we all got to go. Oh, I did think it was dope that they put Q's name

on Grammy. I thought that was amazing. People that passed away. Rest in peace Q. He has contributed to hip-hop. I thought that was real good. I want to shout out whatever story is going to break today, which is tomorrow, that we're going to miss.

Something's going to break because it happens every fucking podcast where as soon as we leave, a story is happening. A Valentine's story is going to break. Whatever's going to happen tomorrow, we called it here first. What's going to break? Something will happen. Valentine's Day, dude. The Valentine's Day.

I said it's Valentine's Day. It's going to be some fuck shit to happen. Today is February 14th. It's going to be some Fuck shit to happen Today's February 14th It's gonna be some fuck shit Oh no today's the 15th It's Taco Tuesday It's Wednesday It's Wednesday the 15th

The day after February 14th Is it side chick day? Sot I'm not touching this one My relationship is in a great space I'm not even playing with Rory. I never even heard of that holiday, bro. Rory's at the age where he can still stress his girl

and deal with what she gives back to him. I can't. I'm too old. I can't deal with the stress. Shut the fuck up. And you don't leave your crib. That's scary. She's always there. Yeah, that's the problem. The problem is she don't never leave leave your crib. That's scary. She's always there.

Yeah, that's the problem. The problem is she don't never leave the fucking crib. I can stay home all day. Shit, I woke up today on Valentine's Day. She's like, oh, baby, let's get breakfast. Bitch, no. Go to work. I need some time To surprise you With stuff

Love and hip hop Anything? I thought she was Going to take me back When I gave her the Porsche man 40 grand 40 grand Steph and Mona

That'll get That'll get That'll get me You'll save it Send Erica appearance And more I'm not fucking with T.R. And more That'll get me, Sen, Erica, appearance. And Maul. I'm not fucking with T.R.

And Maul. And Maul will be there. Whatever. And if Maul is there, we might get division or party. That was cute. We might film in Calabasas. Yo, Maul hate that he got relationships with fucking stars. No, don't.

Y'all niggas just stupid with it. Dude. Y'all niggas just stupid. Wait, who said that Maul was the one holding the camera for Cameron? It was. Wait, no. Rory, first of all, I'm not going to let you get all these jokes on Maul. And you dead ass tried to get a bitch to change her number if you bought her a car.

What's the problem? You don't got to ride your motorcycle now? That's a different type of controlling, Rory. She was riding a motorcycle in the wintertime. In Jersey, man. And she was real happy about the car when she saw it. Until he said, you got to change your phone number. But I don't understand the men that want

women to change their phone number. What does that do? What does it do? Tell me. You know, DMs are still out there. Fuck that email. She had the same brain. She's going to fucking text him the new number. And store him under Pizza Hut. We're talking about that.

That's a bad move. Pizza Hut doesn't call you. She knew he was weak when she pulled the little move at the basketball court all up on my man and knowing he was standing right there. She knew what she was doing. I mean, luckily, it was a VH1 hourly rental, and I'm sure he didn't have to worry. But this is my problem. This is my problem. I felt like six weeks ago should have been the finale for Love & Hip Hop. So the fact that they had mad more episodes after that, I was confused, but I rocked with it.

So then they flew all of the girls to Mexico to create at least seven more stories. All right, cool. I sat through that, too. So y'all dragged this out only to give me the finale last night, which was rushed. Y'all just rushed through closing all of the stories that y'all dragged. Snoop, that was rushed. It was boring. It was not compelling.

It was boring the whole series. Yeah, but they dragged it, and they gave us a little bit with Snoop's girlfriend. So then you didn't give us that. Snoop's girlfriend then flew to Mexico, and then we never seen that bitch again. Where did she land after Mexico? No, for real. She's now working at the resort happily, serving drinks at happy hour.

So, I just didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. So, I already told all of them, before y'all call my phone, and y'all gonna call, and I know it. Send it over too. Before y'all call my phone. Right. And y'all gonna call. And I know it.

Sid know it too. Before y'all call. Get it together, babe. You think I'm about to be up there with B.B.O.D. and them. We had to watch five grown women pretend to try to put kids together for 18 fucking weeks.

I felt like it was longer than that. And then every other week they kept saying, well, let's just try it one more time for the kids. It's all for the kids. It's all for the kids. Are we trying to put these kids together? Yeah, then they get together and just talk about their beefs.

That's what women, oh, man, oh, man. Man, oh, man, oh, man. Kimbella showing up, I'm here for the kids. No, you're not. Kimbella was there for the kids. It's all for the kids. Everything's for the kids. Got a lot of kids, man. So Love & Hip Hop is over. Kimbella was there for the kids So for the kids Everything's for the kids Man Gotta love the kids man

So Love & Hip Hop is over I will watch the reunion next week To see what's going on Yeah Billions comes back Sunday Fuck that Oh that is true That's big

Damn that was a long hiatus What is Billions? I forgot about Billions Ooh Billions Great show Is it HBO or Showtime? Billions is HBO

HBO No no no Showtime Oh yeah Showtime Billions is Showtime it HBO or Showtime? Billions is HBO HBO No no no Showtime Oh yeah Showtime Billions is Showtime With the white guy From Homeland And it's about

Wall Street Stock Entrepreneur Finance He's the biggest Stock Hedge fund Guru in the universe

And they can't fuck with him You should watch it This is ill I'm still watching Zoo Zoo is still hard I'm on hedge fund guru in the universe, and they can't fuck with him. You should watch it. This is ill. I'm still watching Zoo. Zoo is still hard. I'm on, I'm still in season one.

I'm like, maybe three episodes left. Yeah, me too. That's where I am. Zoo is nuts. Zoo is hard, especially if you love animals like me. It's about the animals taking over the world.

Check out Zoo if you get a moment. I'm in the streets. I'm not watching TV with y'all. Fine. So you're in the streets. That means you have a sleeper song for us. I do.

Hennypalooza, if you're in New Orleans for All-Star Weekend. That's not a sleeper song. This is a plug. Yeah, it is. We were plugging shows that you don't get paid for,

so let me plug something I'm getting paid for. True. Hennypalooza, New Orleans. Tickets are still available. Of course, there'll be a million surprise guests because it's All-Star Weekend.

That's all I got. More? That's going to be a shit show. All-Star Weekend. Dog. Rory says they got Henny Palooza, London coming.

Did I spill the beans on that? Yeah, you did. We'll edit out. Sorry. Well, if there's any... Tom Walls is going to explode the plugs. Well, listen. Well, if there's a Henny Tom Walls is gonna Spill the flux on it Well listen

Well if there's a Henny In the event that Sometime in the future There is a Henny Palooza London I think that'll be sick Henny Palooza London If y'all actually pull it off Like

Flush out the business That'll be nuts Because London They drink They gonna Y'all gonna be the ones On the floor They gonna kill us Yeah y'all think Y'all coming to be the ones on the floor.

They're going to kill us. Yeah, y'all think y'all coming over there with some Henny. All right. All right, Americans. I got a sleeper song. I'll start. I was going to play Wretch from London because he bodied the intro on his new EP that I do not know the name of right now. But it's Valentine's Day or post-Valentine's Day, so I'm not going to do that yet.

Next week, I'll play some Wretch. Oh, I thought you said Tretch. No, Wretch, Wretch, Wretch. I was like, damn, Tretch put out some new shit. Not to be confused with the Wretch from Jersey because there's a Wretch from Jersey that's dope as well. That's Wretch with an R. The Wretch from London is with a W.

They're both dope So I didn't care Which one you thought I was talking about Yeah yeah yeah They both fire though You know one day On a coming podcast

We're gonna have A nice personal talk I'm gonna address All my beef with Surf Trev And Demani I am

Cause Trev sent me A long Text yesterday That I ignored And it was like Real heartfelt And sentimental So why'd you ignore it Asshole

Nah Did you text him You're fired too I gotta I feel a way Toward them three niggas I think Somewhere deep inside of me

If I really Just think about it. I would love to hear that. Me too. Seriously. You would love to hear it? Yeah. Why is that?

I would just love to hear that. Okay. Because I'm not sure I know the beefs you have with, or the issues you have with them three. I don't want to say beef. No, but issue. It's just you feel some type of way. All three of them. I don't know why to any of them. That's what I'm saying. I would want to hear that. We'll discuss it's you. You feel some type of way. All three of them. I don't know

why to any of them. That's what I'm saying. I would want to hear that. We'll discuss it on a podcast. Black Heart out now. Black Heart out now. Black Heart out right now.

Oh, my sleeper song. Y'all going R&B? I'm going to go R&B. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm playing some ignorant shit. I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm playing some Ignorant shit Oh so you go first

You wanna start my Ignorant shit Yeah yeah yeah Don't play my fucking Soft sweet Fucking melodic shit And then you come with The new Casanova

Wait you You bent from You Oakley to the sleepers Oakley back Oakley back I'ma play You know I'm pretty sure

It's hot where it's from I got paint I mean I'ma play Nah not at all Not at all I just think the record Is hard And I think it's going

It's gonna It's gonna take off In a minute It's obviously taking off though Cause the numbers say so But this is T Grizzly man First day out

I like the song already He, man. First day out. I like the song already. He just got out. It's first day out. I think this is going to be a big, big record. It has to be hard with that name. Yeah. These niggas preyed on my downfall.

They what? These niggas preyed on my downfall. On R10, bitch, I stood tall. You did? Show these disloyal niggas how to ball. Go get a thermometer for the pot i need this cooked right let's keep that water 400 degrees fahrenheit you ever been inside a federal courtroom you ever went to trial and fought for your life being broke did something to my spirit ass to plug me they act like they couldn't hear me look at me not driving german engineers where's he from i want your baby mama

detroit i believe kentucky remember when i used to use your eels to hit the road hit the o and make them big boy sales move remember when you had them green things made with vacuum seals trying not to have them green things smell it ain't going where y'all think it's going though i related through money i don't know nothing i just used to see him walk to the coney i fuck with bitches my body can't go from persian to cody any further questions you can take that up with the lawyer my nigga finkle J money That's crazy And had to pay lawyers coming in and not a court a Wando a Tio ain't it a blessing we made it out Kentucky after

All that happened after the pre-trials, after the status After them impact statements after the castle Hey, JR, nigga, ain't it a blessing We made it out of Lansing after all that happened After Michigan State, after Hubbard When our mans told on us, them bands, they took from us Joy Road, bitch, but the money long as six miles Brick mile, knock your bitch down, pick her up

Knock her back down, pull her tracks up Yes, I slap girl, yes, I slap dog, yes, I slap loud Yes, I slap a pussy nigga if he act out Yes, I call cases on the road with them killers Bro, kill me if I snitch, cause if you snitch, I'm gon' kill you Spent a lot of time on the yard with them gorillas Still a toy, did I let niggas hold me? Quit being silly I know for a fact your bitch pussy get wet for a nigga

Cause I do it better, plus I'm doing better than niggas I'm at home when I'm down there in Lexington, nigga Bout the king, they gon' drop you in, who wet for it, nigga Cause I do it better, plus I'm doing better than niggas I'm at home when I'm down there in Lexington, nigga Bought the king, they gon' drop you in Who next to you, nigga? Say a little T, get ahead of them niggas When you take off, I'll look back and try to rescue them niggas You kill his mans, then make sure you get the rest of them niggas Don't let him get the best of you, just get the revenue, nigga

So let me know what you can handle Okay, come grab it Here go some extras, so if I'm busy, you can manage Fizz, happy bling, dancing, eating $60 salad Get it there and back. Tell the feds I need a challenge. My first offer was 30 years, not a day lower. I told them crackers holler at me when they sober. I'm parole. I'm a feeling. You think I ain't got that blower? Yeah, you right, bro. Take his head off his fucking shoulders. You hear me? Hit the rolly, start with the rolly on. What was our getaway? How much longer left?

Listen, I'm calling it right now. This is going to be a big record. Where? I like it. All over. Period? Period. T Grizzly, First Day Out, man.

It's a good record you think it could be big in the way that dreams and nightmares intro shit was because like you think that might ring off in the club that's not a fear well i mean it's that would be it's a similar the greatest intro ever well i'm saying that the structure of the record is very much like that yeah with the whole vibe beat change yeah i see what you're saying but that that record i mean it's already taken off but i think it's gonna be a lot a lot a lot bigger yeah he's nice and he's from detroit i believe he's from kentucky at least that's what it sounds like uh and then but he obviously spent some time in yeah you're saying the Coney shit that Coney Island dog

shit ain't that in Detroit yeah come on ice what's your fucking kid pop oh yeah futures got a project dropping right because we didn't even make mention of that mm-hmm oh yeah and then and then someone I also I'm gonna start group chat confessions coming soon but not right now then someone asked in the group chat if they thought future were big enough to release a project three days before we all say yes right yeah yeah he'll get it done yeah shout out the future I love the Sierra dancing around her crib pregnant video,

by the way. My girl is making me just like a bunch of real soft things. I loved it. Go ahead, Ice.

Bet Sin didn't even show you that shit. I showed her. Baby! Babe! Did you see Ciara?

That's funny. Sin outside changing her own oil I'm watching Sierra Come look When you're done with the transmission My shit is called Ain't No Comin' Down It's by two artists

Out of New Orleans Arson Arson went to Wells Two artists out of New Orleans Who honestly remind me of like A modern day Hot Boys Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson

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Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson Arson with a little ill-matic with a little ill-matic as well little Vinny Betty Vici

a little bit of John Second with some new addition and I made a mistake they not a little bit of the unreleased

cannabis album yeah anyway here go the record and they're from Baton Rouge Not New Orleans I'm going to New Orleans tomorrow

So let me say I love this And the clip extra long Them niggas be talking Who we be stepping on Ain't got them bodies They be rapping on Better tell they partners Grab their choppers Put they vests on

Yo, I just wanna be From New Orleans so bad Just go, bro You and Drew Brees Do whatever y'all wanna do This shit hard I do hear the Illmaticos I hear what you mean

Yeah nah You remind me of the chords On the World of Jorges That is hard I don't care I'm still joking Nah I do like Yeah but niggas with accents

Gonna always sound hard This sounds like the hardest thing ever. What are you saying is hard? Because it's accent. The accent shit is not fair. That shit is hard. I like that a lot. The accent shit is not fair. Like, fucking Pimp C said highlight broads at the mole,

and it sounded like the greatest bar I ever heard in my entire life because of his accent. It's not fair. That shit was dope not just for the accent, though. That's just a hard record Last week we skipped over Young M.A.'s Fader cover

Probably I don't know why Maybe we just forgot We about to forget her too So Uh oh Uh oh She still got some people

Obviously if Fader Did that She got Some people that still believe. It's not over. 14.45 right now, bro. Maul, your take on that? 14.45, what?

In her 15 minutes is what Ice is saying. 14.45. I think she can rap, though. We agree. You know what I mean? I think to Maul's point that she has a skill skill base So it's not like She's a gimmick Yeah and I think that I think that

I think she's just One feature away From having like a Really record That's like Right now I think she's one Feature away

So she needs the feature It don't look like She in the studio I mean most people You can't really name A crazy dope record Without a feature right now You know what I'm saying

Like that's just The era we in Like you know what I mean We use somebody else's What they bring to the record I can name mad dope records Without a feature right now you know what i'm saying like that's just the era we in like you know i mean we use somebody else's what they bring to the record i can name mad dope records without a feature that's not true but the majority of dope records right now the sound is oh well if you're asking me to talk about now and the sound i'm old i'm washed yeah but that's we got to talk about the current and i think that she has talent that will she she will have some life in this industry 14 45 i'm on the current wave

stay off the mainstream that boy been nice for a long time rory you got a sleeper or you want me to go uh you can go is that i think that's about it i got it all right all right all right all right i saw this i saw this and the EP was called Her 2. So like an idiot, I thought it was part two of the Her EP. Guess what? How long is this? It wasn't. However, there was this song that I liked called The Canvas.

the canvas this is the canvas off the herd to EP hey you go He didn't know you were special Probably told you life was black and white He was only trying to dim your light Well if you're with it I can show you what you're hidden from A little vision and precision and we're good to go I don't wanna see you fall apart Girl, I don't know where to start You're such a work of art Ayy, I'm just here to add a little color to the canvas Baby, red is for the heart Ayy, I'm just here to add a little color to the canvas

Your eyes are crazy shade of blue I'm just here to add a little color to the canvas Can't ever make another you I'm just here to add a little color to the canvas Never saw you coming, never saw you coming That was that I don't take pay for play So all the niggas Ain't getting second verses

Like that That's off the Her 2 That's H-E-R-T-O-O-E-P That's called The Canvas And that's that Oh I like this part Hold on With that said

Here's the second verse. Hey. That's how you get all them artsy bitches to fuck on the first night. Yeah, you like a canvas. You like a blank. Wait, you like a canvas. You like a blank. Wait, you hear this nigga? You remember Dead Prez Mind Sex?

I gotta hear it. You remember that? I'd have to hear it. It's a good record. It's just funny. Dead Prez, Dead Prez? Dead Prez, Dead Prez. I'd have to hear it.

And then 50, of course, redid it and said, I'm not about that Mind sex bitch I'm trying to get your Pussy wet 50 gotta bring the Remakes back by the way Alright

I have some Barefoot shit I feel like I stopped Doing barefoot for like Two weeks I gotta get back to my roots You did stop for two weeks Yeah

I gotta get back to it This is Odessa all we need oh yeah we back there for oh yeah we take a lot of unlace in the kicks It's hard though. Ayy. This shit make me feel good about life. Bro, like, ayy. Coming soon. Rory's so full of shit.

This is Rory's single. That's my alias? Yeah. That is hard Let me push this Now I'm mad at Rory Trash Armani

The beat changed too on the second part Parks Parks changed the beat Karan I need to hear this on the bigs On the bigs Park changed the beat. Karan. Hey. I need to hear this on the bigs. Yeah. On the bigs.

I need to hear this on the bigs. Yeah. Because Joe does, in fact, have the bigs in his house. Only you. I should have put a 16 right there, but Rory ain't sending it to me. Oh, come on, E? Hey! This is hard, though. I got Rory and E with one.

Yo, Parks, I think we got one. Hey! Hey! They can put the 808s in there. I'm leaving I want to fuck my bitch man this shit make you feel great I think division is out of here when they get something of this sound my mic is even on I agree Drake more division more division Yeah, that song is hard that's hard Is that more what the hell they was saying.

Is that some more beat on there? Yes, another minute and a half. All right, well, future reference. Whoever takes the last song in the sleepers, play the beat low and let us talk shit on the way out. But it's fine because fucking, I was going to play a Monty song. It ain't on my label.

Fuck that. That's wild. It ain't on my label. Yo, oh, that's what I wanted to say Real quick Blackheart out Trev Richards project is Out or coming

It is out It is out Yeah I ain't listened to it yet Cause I'm mad at him But Yeah This is my sleeper interlude

I didn't want to play it Cause I didn't know words Yo you got a hard project Coming out man What's going on This is Cocaine River's interlude. That's the name of the group, Cocaine River. Yo, yo.

This is just an interlude. Is this the same guy you was playing? No, no, no. Hell no, no, no. You think it was about the money. I'm all started acting funny. N***a was hating on my honey. I came through with it. All right, let me not give it to him.

Wait, wait, no. No, no, no, no, no, Nah, alright Let me not give it to her Wait, wait, no Fuck, no, no, no, no, no I ain't not giving it to her Okay, I'll write my response record I got a response record Coming next week, dog Wait, Marlon No, no, no, we can bring that back

Marlon, no, no, later Save it later Marlon, I said Yeah, it's on me now, huh? Yeah, huh? It's on me now, huh? Yeah, it's on me now Yeah

Don't worry Thought you was my bro. My nigga Joe. I ain't even know. Full-time Jack. All right, we'll go. Don't worry. He ain't gonna get it back, though.

We got it. Hey, y'all have a blast. Hope y'all had a good Valentine's Day. Happy 100th episode. Congratulations. Couldn't have done it without y'all. Thanks for riding. Thanks for listening.

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