The Joe Budden Podcast - I'll Name This Podcast Later Episode 73

Episode Date: July 20, 2016

This episode we are joined by Charlamagne Tha God & Andrew Schulz of the Brilliant Idiots podcast to settle anything disagreements between Charlamagne & Joe; as well as the recent Joe vs Drake beef. There is a lot in this episode so enjoy!

Mic check, mic check, mic check, check, check, check. You ready? Mic check. Check, check. Glad Andrew Ward is best for this. No. All right, so how do we start this off? I got a pocket, baby.

I don't have headphones. How do we start this off? Because usually we start it off, Charlemagne Tha God. Andrew Schultz. The Brilliant Idiots. How do y'all start off y'all podcast? Way better than that shit y'all just did. Y'all just saying the name.

First of all, I come off and, hey, it's excitement. It's energy. Y'all just, you know, it's just energy. I just thought I'll name First of all, first of all, first of all, I come off and hey, it's excitement, it's energy. Y'all just, you know, it's just energy. I just thought I'll name this podcast later, whatever number it is.

We make a number up and we go. What episode number it is because we never remember. That's Rory and Joe Budden. Can we hear me? Yeah, it's weird without headphones.

I can't hear myself. Yeah, but it's cool. We can hear you. They're trying to show us they're radio professionals. We're here to have a positive dialogue,

a productive dialogue. I listen to, what's it called? I'll name this podcast later. Don't do that. Hey! Yo, I want a podcast. Yo, what's the name of your shit again? I'm on your ass now.

I wasn't being shady. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Eh, eh, eh. Show a little podcast name again. I'm listening to it and I think it's a good podcast the reason I think it's a good podcast is a good podcast

is a podcast that you hear and as you're listening you're talking back to the people as they're talking sure I agree a lot of times my name comes up in it and I'll be like that's wrong

that's wrong that's inaccurate that's inaccurate so it's good to be able to sit here and have a conversation I'm glad that we were mutual that way. I'm kind of accurate in a lot of my shit. No, the fuck you don't be.

I am, but I'm kind of accurate. Well, that's why the context of this conversation, I came up here to really check your ass, but then so much happened. I don't have to check anybody. I'm just right now. Now I'm just right. Okay.

All you media niggas, Joe Budden crazy, chabbing it there, bunch of bars, who's he dissin', why, what the fuck? That's so crazy no more. But Budden, you're a smart guy. That's so crazy no more. You're a smart guy, so you have to know. Can we acknowledge that first?

Absolutely, without question. Wait, wait, wait. What are we acknowledging? That it worked? No, no, not that, not that. No, no, no, no. Remember when we did the Billionaire's Podcast Live? Yeah. We had just heard. We was in the Billionaire's Podcast Live? Yeah.

We had just heard. We was in the car together. Yeah, heard the song. It's a six-minute disperse. Making of a Murderer comes out. We're listening, we're listening, we're listening. After three, four minutes, I go, what the fuck is Budden talking about? Because there was no context to it.

I'm not mad at that. So when I got on the stage, I said that was the most pointless diss record I ever heard. I didn't say it was whack. Because you're not whack. Some people said it was whack. I don't care. I didn't say it was whack. Because you're not whack. Some people said it was whack. I don't care. I didn't say that, though. No.

I actually said Joe Budden is one of the dopest lyricists out. I wasn't mad at that. But that was one of the most pointless diss records I ever motherfucking heard. I wasn't mad at that. My memory is bad. But you said so much shit on the radio, on the morning show during this whole shit. No, I didn't. First time we talked about it was yesterday.

Nobody cared until Drake responded. That's not true. That's not true. We didn't. I heard a lot of it was yesterday. Nobody cared until Drake responded. That's not true. That's not true. We didn't. I heard a lot of people, and I can't confirm that just because my memory is bad. But this nigga said a whole bunch of shit that I don't remember. But that's not important. That's not-

The first time we ever spoke about it was yesterday because Drake responded. So the only thing I saw from you was the- The podcast. At the auditorium? Oh, I didn't mind that too much. Oh, then I got a bunch of reasons to be mad at you. It's just boiled over anger. So I told Envy yesterday, because Envy was like,

I'm about to play to no shopping. I said, you never played none of Button's diss records. Button's diss records, right? And he goes, yeah, because they're not really diss records, they're bars. And then we got into the conversation of Joe Button, to me, is a better lyricist than drake but drake writes better songs and how do we know that and history has shown that joe stop it my perspective perspective i'm here to talk to you about yeah but we can talk of course

drake writes better music okay it's a fucking concept okay he's an idea it's the best people in the world the best writers in the world the best everything in the world, the best writers in the world, the best everything in the world. We're not gonna debate whose music is better. I think Drake's music is better. Okay, you hear that, all you Joe fans on Twitter who coming at me acting like I said something crazy? I think Joe fans would agree too. Okay. No, they don't. They think they're delusional.

Well, no, it's two different types of music. I've noticed that Drake fans are much more delusional than Joe fans. And before this whole thing happened, before this thing happened, I would have said, yeah. No, I clown Joe fans a lot. I would have said they are way crazier than any Drake fan ever. I have noticed that Drake fans are the most delusional people.

As far as what, though? This entire case has been Joe is irrelevant, Joe is irrelevant, Joe is irrelevant. Which I am kind of irrelevant. Well, when something is trending and it gets a million views, how on earth is that irrelevant? And don't say because it's Drake's name, because if I go out there and diss Drake, I'm not getting a million plays.

It's because Drake's on Saturday Night Live hosting and doing sketches and skits. So then all of us are irrelevant. Exactly. There's no rapper that would go at him that's from this new era, and a lot of them from the old era, who would be considered quote-unquote relevant. This is my problem with your now commercially made over ass. I can't wait to hear this because I have a problem with you saying that, but go ahead. How? You're not the same Charlamagne from Sumter, South Carolina?

That's not true. You were so hip-hop. No, no. You were so hip-hop. Monk's Corner. I don't know what happened. Monk's Corner. I don't know what happened.

What's the population? 8,000. What's the population? 8,000. This is the problem. Dirt roads, just to clarify. I just want to clarify what the roads are made out of. This is the problem I have with what Joe said last week on the podcast. Joe has said on the podcast he thinks I'm smart. He thinks I'm good for radio.

I say that all the time. As soon as I have an opinion that he doesn't agree with, he does what everybody else does and flips. You know me better than that. Charlamagne's dumb. You know me better than that. Charlamagne doesn't know hip-hop. First of all.

Charlamagne sucks Drake dick. That's not true. First of all. You said I sucked his dick. I haven't agreed with you in years. Okay. It's not as of late. Part of the reason that I enjoy you so much is because I'm able to disagree with you.

I'm able to. with you. I'm able to. You articulate yourself well. I like people that I can disagree with, but they have a point. I don't care that we disagree. I care that the man that I met was so hip-hop. So... I'm still hip-hop. I'm just not stuck in the night.

I'm not standing on the corner with denim jeans, shorts, and construction Timbs talking about bringing it back. Okay, here's the thing. I understand. You think I'm doing that? I don't. I'm not standing on the corner with denim jeans, shorts, and construction Tims talking about bringing it back. Okay, here's the thing. I understand. Do you think I'm doing that? I don't think that was a narrative at all. Wait. All right, let me hear.

Elaborate. Absolutely. Let me hear that. Absolutely. Because your issue with Drake is based on what? There's so many now. There's so many now. When this started, when this started, first of all, I'm well documented.

Okay, let's talk about the podcast when you first initially went in on this. That's what we all going to talk about. I'm going to give you, we'll take it back further than that. Okay. Huge Drake fan me. I know that. Me, I'm not. Okay.

Never have been. I like him as a rapper, never liked him as a singer. I'm aware. See, I like the singing shit. But for four albums now, right? Yes, four. Because Rory's always with me when these Drake albums drop. I just was hearing it different.

I heard a fall off a long time ago. Didn't say a word. My guy. When this album came out, I almost took it. He sounded like the nigga was crying out for help to me. That's what he's been doing his whole career. No. I'm on record as saying when he sings, he sounds like Sandra Huxtable on the Cosby show

crying over Elvin. The flowers have died. There is no morning dew. The cricket stinks. I'm on record saying that. When I heard Views, I'm like, I don't like this album, but this is the Drake that everybody has grown to love. That ain't true.

So when I hear guys like you who are Drake fans say- The sounds sad the raps the raps sound unenthused i like right here i like still hand hype so if this is the best rapper in the world and 40 can do interviews saying now we don't work with because we the best because can't with drink and all this if you can say all of those things, nigga, you better not put out product that sound like that. But it's the same Drake. Matters none. I critique the album.

I critique the album. I had finally had enough. Was it dramatic? Yeah, but I mean, you do radio. I mean, you got to be dramatic sometimes. It was dramatic. It looks like you was about to cry. I wasn't.

Like, you looked very passionate. I was like, why does he care so much? The Adderall. I've never cared that much. I can promise you. Okay, hold up. You said you was on Adderall. I've never cared that much. I can promise you. Okay, hold up. You said you was on Adderall. No, I don't know.

I can promise you the atmosphere was happy in there. Yeah, it was real happy. There was a lot of laughter. Of course, you know, it was a 15-second clip that went viral. We all know that's not context for an hour and a half podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. Yeah, we did the podcast, and I guess my opinion began to gain some merit

because that was how people felt. So I don't know if Drake was dissing me or just trying to crush how people felt. Because I don't really care about all that number one, nine weeks. All of that is beautiful. I don't give a fuck about none of that. So then they put that pump it up clip out. French, Instagram, pump, pump it up. Pump, pump it up. Whoa then they put that pump it up clip out. French, Instagram, pump, pump it up.

Pump, pump it up. Whoa, homeboy. Pump it up. All right, maybe I'm about to get some pub money. Maybe, because they flip songs all the time. French. Maybe they'll just flip pump it up and that's it. No, now people are hearing the record. You know, the industry is small. Now we're hearing the record. Drake is texting.

They're sending the record around. Niggas heard the record. Got you. Niggas were in that studio when it was being done. My phone starts blowing up. Hip-hop knows nothing about this. I didn't know nothing about it. All they saw is a clip, right?

So now I hear what is said. Whoa. Now I'm hurt. I am hurt. I'm appalled that that nigga who know my pin game, he know I don't play. He know I don't care about none of that fame, success, attention, none of that.

He know what I do. And you want to use your celebrity to do that to me? We smoked hookah together. How could you do that? But maybe he was just responding the way he tends to respond. Drake don't do interviews. From what I see, he responds in music. When me came at him and challenged him about Ghostwriting, he replied

with records, which I thought was very hip-hop. And that's why I saluted him, even though I didn't like Charged Up. I thought Charged Up was just okay. Charged Up was real soft. I thought it was okay. It wasn't supposed to be. But I like the fact he replied with music. So he heard you on the podcast, so instead of tweeting or getting on Instagram, he replied with bars.

Which you gotta respect as an MC. I don't have to respect them bum ass bars. Pump it up. To be quite honest, I think Joe is respecting the music there because he just said, don't play with me. I do the bars. That was just a little podcast. Okay, but you can't say something and not respect a reaction, right?

You said something because you reacted to him. He's not upset at the reaction. He's saying Drake has been a well-documented fan of Joe's and knows what he's not upset he's not upset at the reaction he's saying drake has been a well-documented fan of joe's and knows what he's capable of how dumb are you to do that no he can't stand in the same fucking it ain't too many mcs that can stand in the same room with me when i feel like being an mc but if you're a real mc who got confidence in your skill level you should feel like you can go at it with anybody. Win or lose. I just don't understand why he can't talk to you.

Wait, what? I just don't understand why he can't respond to you. I never said that. So what are you upset about his reaction then? Like, what bothers you about the reaction? The response? The response, yeah. It was condescending?

No, it was you know me. You know me better than that. So you felt like he was antagonizing you. He was poking the line, if you will. I feel like a lot of these, him, Nicki, it's a lot of them that meet. They all piece of shit. They just hide behind their celebrity. But this is the thing, Joe. But still, you started with all of them.

When I gave you Donkey in a Day. I'm going to start with a lot more. When I gave you Donkey of the Day. I'm going to start with a lot more. When I gave you Donkey of the Day. I'm going to start with a lot more. Be clear. Understand. When I gave you Donkey of the Day, it's because you got on your podcast. Charlamagne.

And was shitting on Meek and Nicky. Can I ask you? There's a lot of people you don't give Donkey of the Day to. That's my issue with you. Oh, come on. I want to stay on this topic. I just want to stay on this topic. I gave Meek Donkey of the Day.

Hold on. Charlamagne. I want to stay on this topic. You gave Drake Donkey of the Day. I've given Drake Donkey of the Day several times. So to the Meek. Oh, let's be clear. I gave Meek donkey today. Hold on, hold on. Tell him. I want to say on this topic. You gave Drake donkey today. I've given Drake donkey today several times. So to the Meek donkey. Oh, let's be clear. Well, we're missing something.

Before everybody was, when everybody was on Drake's dick, I was the only one saying I don't fuck with Drake. And niggas were looking at me like I was crazy. Okay. That's because you go on the radio and just say you don't fuck. That's your job on that show. I don't like, okay. I like when he raps.

I don't like when he sings. So as an MC, I was offended. And I was like, you know what? You were offended because what? Last year, 4th of July, all that podcast shit, I did all that I could do. Like I said, Meek, I'm sorry. I apologize. I was joking, but don't play with me.

I got laughed out the gym. I said, listen, you don't want to do this rap shit. One year later, I'm on his ass. Get his bum ass out of here as far as an MC. I don't know him personally. And Drake, I'm on their ass. Nothing they could ass out of here, as far as an MC. I don't know him personally. And Drake, I'm on their ass. Nothing they could do with a real MC. There's nothing you can do.

So let me just get this straight. I don't think they want to do it. You're offended. There's a reason, nigga. It ain't because I'm irrelevant. That's what I think it is. Y'all can paint that picture. Y'all can keep painting that fucking picture.

But that ain't, well, you're entitled to that. Charlamagne, if he's irrelevant, why does Nicki, the biggest rapper damn near in the world, Meek, very, very popular, and Drake, the biggest rapper in the world, if he's such an irrelevant person, why do they continue to react to his podcast? I'm not calling Joe irrelevant. Let's be clear on that. I know.

I want someone to answer that to me. But I understand the perception. If he's so irrelevant, why do they keep replying to this podcast? Because historically throughout hip hop. Who's saying you're irrelevant? They are. Meek. Meek.

Have you gone outside? No, no, no. Have you been online? No, no, no. But I'm saying we're debating that here. I don't think I've ever said you're irrelevant. I don't think you've ever said you're irrelevant. I don't think you're irrelevant.

I'm not talking about you. I know, but I'm saying what we're discussing right now, you have an issue with what Charlamagne said. I have an issue with- And I'm still trying to understand two things. I have an issue with Charlamagne and Sumter and Charlamagne here. I just want to understand two things. I just want to understand what your issue is with what Drake said and two with what

Charlamagne said. Because as far as I can understand, you think Charlamagne has become less hip hop with- He doesn't commercialize. He called me a puppet. I don't understand- I'm trying to figure out puppet for the- I don't understand that either. But let's just figure out first with the song.

I don't understand the terminology puppet. No, I understand terminology. I don't understand that either. But let's just figure out first with the song. You don't understand the terminology puppet. No, I understand terminology. I don't understand how you think that he's become a puppet. The explanation behind why you think that. But we'll get to that. But you're entitled to it. But here's the thing. You're entitled to your opinion.

I just want to know why. So let's start. But let's start first with the reaction to Drake. It seems to me you're offended by Drake thinking that he could even rap with you. And I don't think you should be offended by self-esteem. That has nothing to do with you. That's his self-esteem. All right.

I see what you keep saying. I'm not mad that he did that, nor am I offended by it. Right? Yeah. Let's get that out the way. You sound angry on all your records. I've been sounding angry since 96. That is true.

Yeah, you see. I'm consistent. You're giving him 21 minutes of music. I was angry. I've been angry. I started sounding happy. 21 minutes of music, and you sounded very angry. Not on the last one.

On the last one, afraid, I sounded like it was a love letter. But in the history of rap dissing, who has sounded nice? Have an emotional reaction. In the history of rap dissing, who has sounded nice? Have an emotional reaction. In the history of rap dissing, who has sounded nice? Jay-Z on Takeover. Jay-Z was very cool, calm, and collective on Takeover. We're getting off the point. Let's stay on the point.

Snoop and Dre were happy on Dre Day. Jay wasn't so mad dissing me, no. I mean, wasn't so calm dissing me, no. That was kind of calm, too. Nah. Okay, thank you. Let's go, let's go, let's go. Let's go back.

So I'm just trying to understand what bothered you about that. So I put making a murderer out. I'm aware of the length. People told me to cut it down. You got to be aware that we had no context. It looked like a reach. I'm just trying to get to the Drake thing. Andrew Charlemagne, listen to this.

I was only ever concerned with how he was affected. Him. I don't care about what the public thought the public I didn't care about so when I put those Hundred something bars down. Yeah It's bars in there. I'm told it's only for him only so much cold You can't even understand what's going on there I think I would like to think if I'm'm guessing, it gave him some pause, right? So now that French record, that they did that clip in May,

we immediately went to the studio and spent the night there. Now I thought it was coming. Now I'm trying to guess. All right, they had the bad boy shit at Barclays. Then it was Memorial Day weekend. Drake was having a party. All that shit, it never came. I said, whoa.

And then the 4 p.m. shit, I think Drake was dissing Puff. So now I'm like, wait. I'm real confused now. But see, you confused me too, because you was on your podcast breaking down the 4 p.m. in Calabasas or whatever shit it is. And I'm like, Joe, he was not talking about you in that right now. 100% he was, though. That was all Diddy. 100. You couldn't

be more wrong. I didn't hear it. You could not be more wrong. Again, I know that gentleman. So y'all are throwing secret subliminal shit at each other that only y'all would know. He does that often to people. Of course. I'm such a big fan.

I just know, and I'm a rapper, so I know when it's happening. Okay. You're not going to do it to me. See, because you'll do that, and because I'm so insignificant in comparison to him, nobody will ever know. So it's really just me knowing no it was my job to call it all out i knew the media would say i'm crazy i have to call it out because

later on y'all will get it it's not my fault that the business side of things is making them take so long with that record me i've never really had the best business i'm on your ass. So I put that out, smoke screen, a hundred bars clear signal to the rappers. Okay, here we go again. Here's another one. Four days, five days later, I'm still here, nigga. I'm not leaving this one. Oh, you left it alone?

I'm back again. I'ma be on his ass and he won't do it again. You won't hear another word out that boy mouth about Joe. But don't you think it would have been more impactful if you would have waited till French and Drake actually dropped the record? Hell no! And then 30 minutes later, you put out

Making a Murderer? No way. And then another hour later, you dropped the other joint? Show me. Show me. The part you're missing, I got 20 Drake, this is already somewhere lined up. You've had those for years.

You've just been waiting. No way. I don't believe that. I'm telling you. And to the six minute point, and Joe knows I was very vocal about not making it six minutes. Uh-huh. But in that instance, we're not dumb.

We know you can't beat Drake. It's impossible to beat. He has the sheep. That's what I said on the radio yesterday. So why cater to people that no matter what we say, they're going to believe on Drake's side? Because hip-hop is not a challenge, Joe. It's a popularity contest. Yeah.

For some. So we catered to what we wanted to cater to. When have I been that, though? When have I been that? So that's why when I get mad at you, but this is why I get mad at you. Let's talk about it. Because I feel like you armed with so much information. And when I say that, like, you've known me forever.

And you know you're an insider. You know shit. So the same way when I hear certain things, I'm able to assess it a bit differently than the public because I just know a little more. I get that from you, so I don't be mad when I disagree with you. I get mad when it sound like you just saying the same

thing that the public will say. If you listen to what I said on the podcast, I said I miss things. I said I'm a father. I'm a husband. I got careers. Maybe I miss something. When did Drake disjunt? That's what I said. Verbatim. So I don't understand how I'm a father. I'm a husband. I got careers. Maybe I missed something. When did Drake diss Joe? That's what I said. Verbatim.

So I don't understand how I'm, you know, out of the loop or puppet or commercialized. Because I missed him. In the same respect, Pump It Up clip came out. Joe thought that he dissed him on 4PM in Calabasas. Rappers rap. Thought. Again, I didn't know the dissing. Pump It Up was clearly a joke. He was also the one that was rapping.

He thought it. That was the very first thing that happened. The timeline is unclear for people because I'm such an animal. The very first thing that happened on May 7th or some shit. No, the first thing that happened was the podcast. Yeah. Podcast, you going crazy on you. Podcast was the catalyst.

Yeah. And then I guess Pump it up yes the pod and then you're right the podcast podcast pump it up your song see for me when i'm 80 years old 85 years old you're gonna be suffering from dementia because you already suffered from it now that's true um but i would like to be on radio doing something one day the podcast for me is great practice for that when i go on on there, I know it's weird. Outside of Newark, you don't really hear rappers on podcasts just divulging so much. So when I'm on a podcast, I really just am shooting shit with my people like we in the living room.

I don't care about none of that, the rapper shit. It's not Rapper Joe. I'm just talking. That's all I'm doing. And when we first were doing the podcast, right, like the first 10, 20 episodes, everything everything that happened all i would ever say was i don't care i don't care i don't care i don't care because if you know me i don't give a fuck about any of that stuff and two people said well you got a podcast we kind of want to hear what you think all right welcome to the fucking horrible twisted mind of fucking joden i think you do care think you do care a lot. Joe is sensitive as shit.

I think you're a creative and creative types are sensitive. I'm addressing that. I think, and that is natural. I don't think there's anything to be embarrassed about. For others.

I think you are so sensitive. When I heard you on the podcast last week, I said Joe is hurt. Because you had no point of reference as to why I'm a puppet. And you say little catty like he's got a new body and new skin i'm like what the that got to do with anything

you do got a new body yes i do because i work out so he can't get in shape how dare you you're not hip-hop no more charlamagne you started being healthy people talk we joke with friends. And then he said about Drake. Drake has you with the sculpted abs. I'm like, why does Joe care about niggas' bodies so much? Time out. Time out.

Time out. The word sculpt. Let's address that. Yes. That is a word that's used for a reason. Specific. Yeah, he got a. Surgery.

I'm not sitting there saying, well, he's sculpted. It's not that. You said he went to Dr. Miami. And my dumb ass followed him up and texted Dr. Miami and asked him. And what happened? Dr. Miami was like, get the fuck out of here. No, it wasn't Dr. Miami. It wasn't Dr. Miami.

I'm not going to do that. You tweeted. I'm not going to be saving that. I know, but that was being facetious. He did get two surgeries. How do you know that? So you weren't being facetious. You were just giving the wrong doctor. About the Dr. Miami part, yeah. Yeah, but that's't being facetious. You were just giving the wrong doctor.

About the Dr. Miami part, yeah. Yeah, but that's not being facetious. Alright, so I take it back. You're just saying the wrong doctor. How do you know that? See, that's why I don't, that's another reason I was so offended when he dissed me. Because why would you do that to someone who knows so much? I'm ready to tear that entire empire

down if he says another word. Yeah, but do you think he felt the same way when you dissed him on the podcast? Maybe Drake's a fan of yours He should've been Maybe Drake's a fan of yours and then he hears a fan He hears someone who he thinks is a mutual fan and he's heard just like you remember these dudes are sensitive man Oh, he's super sensitive Rappers are fucking sensitive This is what Joe does, Joe throws a shot and then acts like he didn't throw that initial shot

That's not true on my- You absolutely are acting that way Y'all couldn't be more wrong. You act like that was meek. You absolutely, and you're not understanding his sensitivity. We're sitting here going, I understand how you feel when someone comes at you, right? Because you know your ability. He knows his ability.

You can't hate on that man for having confidence in what he does, just like he can't hate on you for having confidence in what you do. But I don't understand why you're so perplexed that he would come at you. On my podcast, I said, when I broke down that whole 4 p.m. shit, I said, I'm not mad at this. He doing what he's supposed to do. I did this. I did this.

He has responded. Let me tell you from here, don't play. You're playing with the wrong nigga. So I wasn't mad. Yo, I wasn't mad. Like, y'all dealing with somebody, that's what I'm saying. I don't be mad. I don't be mad.

You said fuck Meek at the beginning of Making of Murderer. I'm going to say fuck Meek anytime. It's a mic in front of me. He didn't do nothing to you, Joe. You started with him. You started with him, Joe. What did he do to you, Joe? And Meek don't like none of these niggas

we're talking about like me, by the way. OK, so I'm not just fizzing. Idiot, you niggas. You guys are the the same side. I don't like you. Exactly. All of these niggas are trying to run down on me at certain points that people don't know about.

Or maybe they do because I talk about it. So none of these niggas like me. So let's be clear on that. So I'm not defending none of them. But you started with me first. I'm going to always be for on the side of the last, the least, the lost, the left out, the looked over. So when him and his girlfriend attacked me

after I apologized, and Nikki, and I was real hurt, because we got some people in common, her and I. We'll leave that off of here. The meek shit, I didn't really care about him. He's young, he's immature, or whatever. But because I'm always on that side, I'm gonna always have a problem when people

who are up, up, up, up, up, up, up, as far as status, because I know these people, they all whack, but when you up there in status and now you want to use that status to trample over people on the bottom, like y'all wasn't there, I'm gonna always feel the way. But stop thinking you're on the bottom. Like, y'all wasn't there. I'm going to always feel the way. But stop thinking you're on the bottom. Stop, stop, stop.

So Meek, a whole three days. Three days. You can do whatever time hop you need to do. If you listening, go back and get it. Three days, maybe even four. He went nuts. After you dissing him, though. Weird, weird.

Why you keep saying that? Because you started it. I get on that radio every day. But it was over for a year. I say things about people. Hey, I started it and now I'm still here with the shits. So let's address that. So you can't be upset.

Who the fuck is upset? You. Why do they keep saying I'm upset? You're upset. You were slamming the table. You were crazy. Yo, yo, listen. To put context.

What exactly? You swing on a dude, right? This is what happened. What is he upset about? I've been up for it. You guys could be right. I'm trying to find the context. I'm not agreeing with you. You swing on a dude, right? This is what happens. What is he upset about? I'm not upset. You guys could be right. I'm trying to find the context. I'm not agreeing with you.

You swing on a dude, right? You drop him, right? He gets up, and you start to feel bad. You go, yo, my bad. I shouldn't have dropped you. And then when a dude swings back at you, you're like, what the fuck? You swing back at me. How dare you hit me?

How dare you? I said I'm sorry. He's like, dog, you pushed me in the face. I'm going to punch you back. If that's what both of y'all are hearing, then we just are friends. That's what everybody who's listening to this is hearing. No, that's not true. Every single person.

That's not true. That's not true. He starts it. They reply. Joe is then saying, hey, you sure you want to do this with me? No, at first, I'm sorry. I didn't know y'all took it like that. It's not my job to decide.

Well, you called him a bitch. No, the first thing I said was I apologize. You said Mick looks like a bitch. He did look like a bitch. So how can first thing I said was I apologize. You said Mika looks like a bitch. He did look like a bitch. So how can you be mad? We from the hood. You know niggas don't want to hear that shit. You can't say that.

He's not saying he didn't understand why he replied. I'm riding in the car. I'm riding in the car. I'm listening to Joe. I'm riding in the car. I'm listening to Joe. I like Joe's commentary. So when Joe goes, he sucks Drake's dick.

I'm like, what the fuck? Man, Joe about to fight. Because you from the hood. You know you don't invite, he sucks Drake's dick. I'm like, what the fuck? Man, Joe gonna have to fight. Because you from the hood, you know you don't invite niggas to your dick. I didn't invite you to my dick. But you invited, you said, like, I suck his dick? Like, goddamn, Joe, that was harsh. See, he said he's not from the 90s, but that's a 90s thing. That is. That's a 90s thing.

Very. So if that's in you, Charlamagne, it should always be in you. It's never not been in me. It should always be in you. Tell me when it's left. I need to know. Tell me. This is... I just don't... I don't understand. Tell me when it's left, Joe. Yeah. You need evidence for a premise, man. Why? Y'all keep saying I'm mad. Y'all ain't got evidence.

You said you're mad. You said you emotionally reacted and you were mad. You said, you said, when am I not mad? That was your exact word. When am I not mad? Don't go in his brain. No, no, no, no. I'm just reminding him what he said. Don't do it. Listen, what bothers me most about this is your exact word. Don't go in his brain. When am I not mad? Don't go in his brain. No, no, no, no. I'm just reminding him what he said. Don't do it. Listen, what bothers me most about this is your insecurity here.

Because you said you will always stand up for the people on the bottom, the people who are looked over, the people who are trampled. Which to me seems like that's who you think you are. Well, you got to start realizing you're fucking Joe Budden, bro. You got bars. That don't mean much. No, no, no, no, no, no. It bothers me because you're looking at that like it's a permission slip to respond to

dudes because they're bigger than you. But if you know you got bars like these dudes, which nobody's denying that you do, why are you looking at it like you're the bully? Joe Budden is a bully acting like a victim. So there it is. So maybe it's victimology. You bullied a big celebrity. Y'all are bullying me now.

No. You bully these people and then they respond. So maybe it's victimology. You bullied a big celebrity. Y'all are bullying me now. No. You bully these people, and then they respond, you act like a victim. It's like, I'm little, I'm weak. You're not. At no point am I acting like a victim, and I'm not angry. Y'all keep making that the narrative, and it's not. We're just using the words you said.

Did you act like a victim with Birdman? Absolutely not. Because I knew exactly what he was there for. I didn't play clueless or dumb. I knew what he was there for. When do I play clueless or dumb? You're doing it right now. Right now?

You're acting like you don't know why Meek went at you for three, four days. This is what I interpreted. You're acting like you don't know why Drake don't pump it up. I know why Meek did that. I know why Drake did that. I know why they both did that. You act like you don't know why Nicki's mad at you. I know why she did that.

Nicki don't like me either, by the way. And Nicki was cool. We was cool until I said I thought Iggy Azalea should have won the Best Female Artist at the BET Awards that year. I think this is very

contradictory with you. And I could be, I maybe perceived the Birdman thing wrong because I only saw the clip that everyone else saw. I don't know the background story or what you said afterwards.

Okay. But when Birdman came in and you sat there and said, well, I'm just the radio guy. Why didn't you talk to these other people? That sounds exactly what you're accusing Joe of. What do you mean?

No. How so? He threw a shot because that's why Birdman was there, from my understanding, because you had said something about him on the radio. Yeah, so if I said shit about Birdman on the radio and you come to the radio,

what does that let me think? That lets me think that you're about to sit down and conduct an interview and dispute everything that I say. Oh, he said it all before you guys got on the radio. What you mean? He was standing up. He was addressing it before there was a radio. Six dudes trying to intimidate somebody.

That's not radio shit. I'm not denying that part. I'm saying I'm not going to get into particulars with that. I'm just saying with this victim thing, you throw a shot and someone comes and you say, I'm the radio guy. Why don't you talk to these people? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What you're saying, Joe, did I do a shot at Drake and Meek? I can't believe they're coming back. Clarify this, clarify this.

It's easy. I could be wrong. I'm asking a question. Say the whole line. What I said was, why you coming here acting tough with the radio guy? Take that shit to the people who's acting tough with you. Because I'm not acting tough with Birdman

when I'm giving my opinion, when I'm saying things like, yo, why would you sign to Birdman when he has a history of not paying artists? And Joe gave an opinion. But you understand the difference between, you don't understand the not paying on Joe gave an opinion? But you understand the difference between you don't You understand the difference between aggressive tactics right which might happen in a rap beef between two rappers There was a thousand cameras in there

And somebody doing this and somebody and somebody saying I've been this is bad camera I don't try don't give a fuck about camera Cameras around don't mean somebody won't do nothing. I'm saying Birdman's been in this industry for 40 years. They're not hitting you at the radio station. They're not hitting you at the radio station with cameras on. Come on. They're still not hitting you at the radio station. He's been in this industry forever.

He's not doing that dumb shit. He would have done it 20 years ago. I don't sleep on nobody. Yo, come on. I don't sleep on nobody. Guys. I don't sleep on nobody. Guys, we have to be prepared.

I don't sleep on nobody. I don't sleep on nobody. Why come in with six niggas? No, no, no. I didn't want to get too deep into the Birdman thing. I just, from my perspective, you're doing the same thing to what Joe just did. But I don't act clueless. Neither do I.

You didn't act clueless. No, no, no. I'm on the podcast, Joe. I know what he said. And anything Joe has said, has Joe acknowledged his podcast? He don't acknowledge he called Meek a bitch? I said that.

No. We brought that up. We're recording. We brought that up. Yeah, yeah. People will listen and they'll listen. It's a podcast.

Y'all can bring it up. What did you say that was aggressive towards Baby? Nothing. Did you threaten to attack him? No.

Did you threaten to do anything to him? Nope. So he came through. Didn't call him a bitch. Didn't call him a bitch. Joe didn't say he was going to beat up views. He just said he didn't like it. Did you call him a bitch?

Did you call baby a bitch? The Drake thing is rap. Meet them going to try to see you when they run into you, Joe. I don't know. I don't co-sign that good, by the way. Corey wants no parts of this. Well, let's talk about

I'm just a podcast guy Why am I a puppet? I want to know about that Because I believe I'm going to just refer back To the Dame conversation I fall on that side You fall on the other side

Which side? I can see it more I think you would be I think your hip hop roots Would shine and flourish A little more If If

Your show allowed it Or if the radio allowed it or if it was allowed. You have the number one show. I think there are restraints. I think there's a ceiling over you. And I could tell when you, Envy, and Angela start fucking leveraging your relationships or just thinking about your relationships as you're doing your job. That's called a puppet, Charlamagne. For example, though, for...

You're responding to nothing. You're responding to... He didn't say a single bit of evidence here. Give me an example. You just gave opinion. You need evidence to back up opinion, so in any logical discourse, you need evidence to back up opinion. Why would you respond? You're responding to clouds.

I don't need an example. Give evidence. I can tell you exactly why that's totally untrue. I'm listening. What is untrue? Nothing has been said. Relax. I've been doing radio since 1998.

He's on Adderall. I've been doing radio since 1998. This is the seventh radio station I've worked at. I've been fired four times because of my opinion. The reason the Breakfast Club hired me after being fired four times is because they know exactly what to expect from Charlemagne. Since I've been here from 2010, I've shitted on guys like Drake,

Birdman, Lil Wayne, all of these core artists for iHeart. You know how many times they've come to me and been like, Drake won't do our concert because of you. Did I stop? Absolutely not. Lil Wayne won't do this because of you. None of these guys have even ever come to the Breakfast Club. And hold on, let me tell you, when you talk about ceilings,

who would bring Minister Farrakhan on the Breakfast Club twice? Dr. Umar Johnson. Who wouldn't? Dick Gregory. When did you see Farrakhan on any major media before me on the Breakfast Club? I'm not really a media guy. These are guys that come in here and talk about white supremacy, talk about how the white man is the devil,

all of this kind of stuff, and I'm bringing them on the show. But you're talking about we got ceilings? Come on, Joe. You do have ceilings. None. You do have ceil this kind of stuff. And I'm bringing him on the show. But you're talking about we got ceilings? Come on, Joe. You do have ceilings. None. You do have ceilings. Time out. And we talk about relationships.

Why am I getting attacked in front of the radio station twice already? Why do none of these artists fuck with me that you're talking about? What are the relationships? I don't have relationships. A DJ did it. What are you talking about? Why are you getting attacked in front of the radio station? Example.

You sent them twice? Maybe. Okay. Well, the second one got really fucked up. Maybe he did. But my point is, I don't have no relationships. I'm not in the music industry. I think you do a lot of good.

Yes, you are in the music industry. No, I'm not. Yes, you are, though. You never see me in no industry parties. Yes, I have seen you in industry parties. What parties? Name them. When?

I don't go to none of that shit. No album release parties. No fucking listening parties. I don't do none of that shit. I don't mix with them niggas. Rory, have you ever seen me ever before today? Charlamagne. In person?

Probably in passing. Never heard of you. Charlamagne, whether you like it or not, you are in the music industry. That's number one. Number two. The definition of going to music industry is going to events.

All that shit that you just said, I know that you fucking hate all them niggas. I'm not arguing there. I'm talking about the people that you don't necessarily hate so much that you maybe don't. But listen, I'm not here to say facts. You're saying things with no evidence. So?

I'm giving him my opinion. What you mean so? That's the whole point of discourse. I'm giving him my opinion. He asked me for it. I'm giving him my opinion. And we're asking you to back up your opinion. We're on a revolt every day, and I still say Diddy's music is whack.

We're on Revolt every day, and I ask Diddy, did he have something to do with killing Tupac? You still keep talking about all that you do. I'm telling you, I can hear. I need to know examples. And I said it last time I was here. Last time I was here. You know how much it took for you to give Meek the donkey of the day?

It took a lot. Because I had faith in him as a rapper. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on some rap shit. But did he get it? Some people don't get the donkey of the day, it took a lot. Because I had faith in him as a rapper. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on some rap shit. But did he get it? Like, yo. Some people don't get the benefit of the doubt. But did he get it? And I gave him two donkeys that week.

I gave him a warning on Wednesday. They was all late. All of that was late. But he gave it to him. I gave him a warning on Wednesday of the day back to backdrop. And by Friday, after he dropped that white guy's diss record, I was on him. That was mad late.

A lot of people get the benefit of the doubt with you. Yee, I could just hear it. I hear it. I can hear it. Give me an example, then. I just fucking did. You just said the word yee. Give me an example of what happened.

I said meek. I said meek. And by the way, lately? So he was two days late with meek. No, I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth. You said late. You said the word late.

You said two days. I assumed two days. Don't assume with me. Fine. How many days? A lot. Okay, a lot of days late. Much more than two. Whatever that is. Joe, you're getting angry, Joe. You're getting angry. I assume two days. Don't assume with me. Fine. How many days? A lot. Okay, a lot of days late. Much more than two.

Whatever that is. Joe, you're getting angry, Joe. You're getting angry, Joe. It's okay. I don't care about anger. I'm not angry. Be angry. Be angry.

It's good. Look, how many days late were you with your Drake-ness? How long were you feeling these feelings about Drake before you actually put it out there in the world and criticized him? Because that was probably going on a little while. Maybe not two days, but maybe a lot. No, my feelings changed often regarding Drake. But you never did anything about it.

That's funny. Why? How long did it take you to actually do something about it? I did something about it. That's not true. But it was a while because you've been sitting here telling us, I didn't like what was going on and where was this and this and that. And you took your time because you actually liked this person. You believed in this person, right? Much like you believed in me.

And then all of a sudden, you dropped it. Andrew, publicly. Well, we're talking publicly, right? This is what you do publicly. That's what we are. You're criticizing for his public displays. And by the way, Joe, you've only gotten Donkey today once. I could have gave you Donkey today many times.

For many various reasons. The picture that you paint, and I just be thinking it's because you want to fuck Tahiri at some point in life. I don't know, but the picture that you be painting about me, you know my character better than the picture that you paint, and I just be thinking it's because you want to fuck Tahiri at some point in life. I don't know, but the picture that you be painting about me, you know my character better than the picture that you paint. All I do is discuss the facts. Time out, time out, time out. I never make it up anything. That's not true.

So one minute you don't fact check, and the next minute you just discuss the facts. I didn't make up anything. So this is a personal thing. Joe, you were the first bird man on the breakfast club. So this is a personal thing against you. It's not about Charlamagne being hip hop or not. You think that he's disparaging your character, and then you're looking for other reasons to be upset at him.

This is a personal you and Charlamagne thing, not a hip-hop thing. Your interpretation is poor. You're purposely trying to twist my words. Either way, I'm not responding to that. I don't have to twist anything. That's not what I just said. To me, all I see is you being upset at the way that he is, I guess, placing your character or placing character judgments on you.

That's a personal thing. So when we are personally offended, I guess, placing your character, or placing character judgments on you. That's a personal thing. When we are personally offended, myself included, I start to look at somebody and go, you know what, fuck that guy who personally offended me. I'm going to look for other reasons why he's an asshole. That may be you. I don't work like that. You don't work like that, but it seems like right now you're looking at that because you're attacking his hip-hop cred only

after he's attacked your personality. No, Andrew. No. That's what it seems. You can't say a reason why he's not hip. No, no. That's what it seems. I mean, you still haven't said, well, I'm not hip-hop. You can't say a reason why he's not hip-hop. I don't care how it seems. You can't give a single shred of evidence. I don't need to.

I saw Charlamagne and Sumter. Columbia. Columbia. Yeah. I drove from Sumter. Columbia. The Charlamagne, I keep saying Sumter, too. The Charlamagne that I saw in Columbia

and the Charlamagne that I hear and see now, of course, they won't be the same because people change every day. You want to grow. You want to mature. That was 10, 12 years ago. So? And nothing's changed. You know, the first time I interviewed you, I asked you were you and Jaheim fucking.

The same amount of hip hop I was then, I am now. But you've changed as a person. The first time I interviewed you, I asked you were you and Jaheim fucking. Because that was the fucking rumor that was on the internet at the time. Really? Yes. No.

That was 12 years ago. No. I'm uncomfortable. The way you changed. I'm uncomfortable. What? Hold on. Hold on.

But what he's saying. What the fuck? But that's not true. But that's not true. I had that left. You still. Wait, time out. But now he's starting some new shit.

Wait, the rumor at the time was Jaheim was gay. That was it. That was when Jaheim flipped out over there. That joke, Joe Button and Jaheim was fucking, yeah, Jaheim flipped out over there. You don't remember? I don't remember. I thought it was you and Jaheim. He went to the radio station.

They called him gay. He flipped out and fucking ran off. But that wasn't it with you, right? No. Whether that was a rumor or not, that's hilarious. Well, I don't know how this shit came about, but I remember I asked him that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You do that a lot.

You do that. Let's be very clear. Joe Budden fucking Jair is not a rumor. And that's what you do. That was funny, though. I did ask you that. But the only reason I brought it up is because you said I sucked dick last week. Be honest with me.

All right. All right. We even. We even. We even. We even. All right. We even.

We even. See, but Andrew, see? That's the thing. You don't know me and you've never met me. Listen. You've never met me. Andrew, what the fuck did we get ourselves into over here? Way too much dick sucking over here.

If you looked at me and Rory, connect eyes on that shit. Both of us were just trying to feel what the hell went on. I'm looking for clarity from Rory. Rory's looking for clarity from me. Nope. What the fuck is happening? Zaheem's texting me like, what's going on? What?

I thought y'all was bitches. What's happening? Andrew, I'm looking for clarity from Rory. Rory's looking for clarity from me. Nope. What the fuck is happening? Zaheem's texting me like, what's going on? I thought Joe gets bitches. What's happening? Andrew, you don't know me.

And yes, all rappers are sensitive. I agree. Creatives are sensitive. Yeah. And I'm sensitive, but not really toward me. I'm sensitive toward how other people feel. I've been through so much fucked up shit, thank you, that I'm really not.

So Rory's with me almost every day. I've been through so much fucked up shit. Thank you that I don't I'm really not so Rory is with me almost every day. I Love Charlemagne even through his fuck shit. Like you say, um All of this shit. He doesn't raise station my character. So you were upset at him. No, no Charlemagne is super dickhead and He's not sensitive about it or at least he doesn't behave that way not at all i like that about him i am not sensitive toward me can say whatever the they want i'm i'm gonna go tear pete ass up because he's sensitive peter rosenberg i'm gonna tear him up oh he's sensitive i'm meeting a lot of sensitive men who i'm just seeing it's pouring out i'm not

like that. You can say whatever the fuck you want. I don't believe that, bro. Well, y'all don't believe a lot. I said I'm sensitive. Well, then why are you saying that? This guy is crazy. Listen, Joe is the original Birdman.

Joe is finished and done. Joe came on the breakfast club. Joe came on the breakfast club, and I said, Joe, did you sit on her stomach? He said, no, I sat under her breast. What the fuck is going on? Well, first of all, y'all you sit on her stomach? He said, no, I sat under her breast. What the fuck are you talking about? Well, first of all, y'all shouldn't have rappers up there at fucking 7 in the morning.

That's number one. It's not 7 in the morning now, Joe. No, not now. I'm talking about then. This is what Joe does. And you should have never wanted to do it. You know that woman. See, that's what I mean. That right there is exactly what I mean. What?

You don't know that Esther Baxter's a fucking nutcase, Charlamagne? I don't know her. I don't. What? You don't know that Esther Baxter is a fucking nutcase, Charlamagne? I don't know her. I don't know her. I don't know her. He does that a lot. I really don't know her. I don't think I've ever met Esther.

I don't know her. I don't do the industry thing like y'all do, Joe. Why do you keep saying y'all? Because you are still an industry person. Very much so. How? You played a regular Joe role because your name is Joe and that's a good character to play. But you are industry like a motherfucker.

How? Easily. How? Now we need evidence, Joe? No, I'm just asking. I don't have any evidence. We don't do evidence. I just want to hear why he thinks that.

You don't need to prove it. Evidence is nice. You work at Power 105 and are employed by MTV. Joe is not even signed to a record label. That's his fault. That's his problem. No, it's not a problem. That's actually a great problem in 2016. It's not a problem. It's a great thing. How are you not MTV. Joe is not even signed to a record label. That's his fault. That's his problem. No, it's not a problem. That's actually a great problem in 2016.

It's not a problem. It's a great thing. How are you not industrying he is? I want to hear it. I never said I wasn't. I work in the industry. Yes, you did. This is my thing.

You said I'm not part of the music industry. What was the last time I saw you never seen me on a part of the music industry? I'm not as industry as those guys. Who are those guys? I bet you've been to more album release parties than me. I bet you've been to more listening parties. I bet you hang around more rappers. I bet you hang around more rappers.

I bet you hang around more producers. I don't do none of that shit. I can co-sign that every last part of that, it couldn't be further from the truth. I hate all them niggas like you. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I think you guys are equally, actually both not very industry. Just from my understanding of both. First of all, me personally with Charlamagne.

No, no, no. But me personally with just knowing Charlamagne, I just don't see him as somebody who's affected by it. And from you, I don't really see you as part of the, I don't know, fabric of the rap industry. I've never really felt that way from you. But we're both arguing who's less

when you're already both less. I think we can agree on that. I think we're arguing. I mean, that's the truth to the matter. I was offended when I heard Joe say I was a puppet last week. Because I'm like, good, man. I think we're arguing. I mean, that's the truth to the matter. I was offended when I heard Joe say I was a puppet last week. And I'm like, how? My opinion of puppet was not Joe's. I would disagree if anything puppet-wise, and I don't know all the facts.

I was more offended also at you too, Rory, when you said that I steal content from Twitter. Well, you'd been accused of that a while ago. I wasn't saying you do it now. That's dickheads on Twitter. Wait, but Rory didn't say that. He said you've been accused of that. And you have been accused of it.

I've been accused of it. But that's stupid. Like, it bugs me out because they act like the things that we're discussing on Twitter people aren't discussing in real life. I agree. Like, it's the dumbest shit in the world. Like, if Rich Homie Quan fucks up at the BET Awards and everybody's tweeting me like, Sean, you gotta give him donkey of the day, why wouldn't I give him donkey of the day?

I'm watching the VH1 Awards just like y'all. That's not what I meant. That's not what I meant by stealing. You had been accused of stealing actual lines, like word for word 140 characters and saying them on the radio. And that's bullshit. I didn't accuse you of it. That's just what was around.

You brought up an accusation. Me beating bitches up is bullshit. Same shit. Same shit. And you replayed it when you gave Donkey the Day when it had nothing to do with it. You've never been convicted of that? No, that's not true. I gave him Donkey the Day when it had nothing to do with it. You've never been convicted of that? No, that's not true.

I gave him Donkey the Day because he said that Meek looks soft and Meek looks like a bitch because he's all into fucking Nicki. So I said, well, Joe, you wouldn't know anything about being in a good relationship because you're never in one. And every girl you date accuses you of beating them up. So that's why. That was the context. So he ended up playing random. Just like you brought up accusation. I wasn't just playing random shit. I was proving up accusation. I wasn't just playing random shit.

I was proving my point. Well, you played a whole fucking clip. I played three different girls saying that they beat him up. And then I played the, I didn't sit on her stomach. I sat under her breast. Do you beat girls up? No. You don't beat girls up?

No. I don't hit him. I don't touch him. I only even ever have to deal with it only when he's in front of me. And I bought it up twice. That's the only person that brings it up. And I bought it up twice. That's the point I was trying to get at. That's not true.

It's really only brought up when you bring it up. You are the only person that keeps that narrative alive. It's such a bold accusatory thing to say. I did it once when we did Breakfast Club Court with you. You know my character, and you know the person I am. So every time my name is brought up for you to do that, I would have to think that there's something else in play. Joe, I've done the donkey of the day,

and I did a breakfast club quote while you were sitting in front of me. Right, makes sense, Andrew. Andrew, no. But do I talk behind your back? The same thing I say, I'll say to your face. Real quick. So what? That's what I'm saying.

You're like, he's passive-aggressive? Oh, I've never been passive-aggressive. I understand where you're coming from, Joe, the sensitivity to that. You go, is there a personal feeling that we have here? Is there something personally fucked up because you keep bringing up this accusation which hasn't been proven? I don't keep bringing it up. Yes, you do. I don't.

Look, look, look. At the same time, people bring up accusations all the time with everybody. You can't mention Charlamagne's name without saying he's fucking bleaching his skin. He's bleaching. There's tons of accusations. But time out. So let me respond to that. Many times I bring up Charlamagne's name without talking about bleaching skin.

Well, you brought it up to that time. Yeah, because you say other things, like you're sucking dick. You're a puppet. You're bad for New York radio. What he's trying to say is just tell him that he beats women. What the fuck? He'd rather that than suck dick and bleach his skin, okay? Say he hit a hole once.

No, because he never has to stand in court all the way down there by fucking Wall Street and have a judge in front of him with the daily news reporters there saying, all right, you suck dick. Like, that's not happening. That happens to me. Sucking dick is not a crime. Here's your shade one month. Here's your shade the other.

Jury, what do you have to say? I think Sean Mason sucks dick. Sucking dick is not a crime. Hey, you suck a dick, you suck a dick. You've been accused of crimes. And you bashed Mr. C for sucking some dick. So now you're homophobic. So now you're homophobic.

He was a serial purchaser of penis. What's wrong with that? Nothing. But as a radio personality, you think I'm going to let that content just go? This guy on the rival station who's a legend is out here buying fucking dick three times? Yeah, but- Come on. How can I let that go, Joe? Denying buying dick.

Joe, how can I let that go, Joe? Denying. You do radio. You do podcasts. Would you go a week without talking about that if you was doing your podcast when that shit happened? Maybe. No, you wouldn't.

Maybe. I don't know. See, I guess, and this is what it- And I'm glad we did this because I figured it out. I figured it out. My, when I think of you, I just think you above certain things. I just think, I just think that certain shit is beneath you because fuck what I hear on the radio donkey today and all of that shit. I just would like to think I know where your heart lies.

And when I hear some of that stuff, like the mysticism, like it's just dirty. It's dirty. Stop it, Joe. To me. So you said I sucked dick last week. So don't be mad at me for clowning somebody, for going out there purchasing penises, getting his dick sucked.

Okay? Hold up. And it's not even about him. That's a rival. It has nothing to do with being gay. That's just crazy. You it's not even about him. But that's a rival. It has nothing to do with being gay. That's just crazy. You're a Mr. Fucking C. And you're out here constantly.

Not just once. Not just twice. Three times. That's why I disagreed with Joe's opinion on the puppet part. But my theory on the puppet part here is just that right there. I think you started out very genuine in dissing all these people and everything, and it became very, very popular, obviously. So now you kind of have to live into this character.

No, I don't. Do you think he's Trump? I think my opinion. I could be wrong. Do you think he's Trump? No, I think it's the Dark Knight theory. I think you're just living into this fucking thing, and you can't go above your morals to not fucking say...

No, I'm glad you said that. Run a whole clip of some woman allegedly getting beat. Real quick with Mr. C. I think the issue with Mr. C is not that he's sucking dick. It was denying that he's sucking dick. If Mr. C was like, look, I love trans women. I suck trans dick all the time. My puppet thing with him would be that he fell too far in his character.

Now it's expected. He has to do it. I disagree with Joe, but I still would say if we're going to go with the puppet route, it is that you have created this character off something genuine, and now you have to do it. And Rory, I'm going to tell you why you're wrong, because I still would say if we're going to go with the puppet route, it is that you have created this character off something genuine. And now you have to do it. And Rory, I'm gonna tell you why you're wrong, because I'm not a character and I never want to become a character. He said create it.

And I never want to become a character of myself because that becomes whack. I'm not I'm not stuck in the nothing. I was bringing a cereal. I don't know you. I don't know you. I'd have poured all Drake's fucking champagne out when he sent it to me. And been like, fuck that. Which I still think you should have done.

If he was real he would have done that. When Charged Up and Back to Back came out, I'd have been like, fuck that. Which I still think you should have done. If he really would have done that. When Charged Up and Back to Back came out, I'd have been like, oh, these records are whack. That's a lot. Charged Up was just okay to me, but I gave him props for responding with raps. And Back to Back was hard. Whether my name was in it or not, that shit was a hard fucking record. Hatin' would be to say,

yo, Joe Budden's can't rap. Look. That would be a line. That's bullshit. I can't say that, but I will say I will say, Joe Budons can't rap. Look. That would be a line. That's bullshit. I can't say that. But I will say. I will say, Joe Buttons can rap, but he'll beat your bitch up. Don't bring no bitches around him. I didn't say that.

Because he'll fuck you up. I didn't say nothing. Listen, I could have made a great joke yesterday about you constantly abusing women because you keep going at Drake. All right? That's a good joke. But I'm fucking. That's a good joke.

But I haven't made that. That's funny. See, that's a funny joke. But I'm fucking. That's a good joke. But I haven't made that. That's funny. See, that's a funny joke. But I haven't made those jokes. But that's funny. Every time you bring up that nasty other bullshit, it's always in such poor taste. And where you could say we're picking and choosing, man,

one was way more malicious, and that was funny. Yeah, that nigga know when he malicious. Man, I don't want to hear this fuck shit. I can see through it. That nigga know when he malicious. He know what he doing. He know he play that victim shit too. Oh, what am I doing?

I'm always the same person. I always do this. Oh, come on. Knock the fuck off. But I haven't made jokes about Drake in years. Before Back to Back, at least a half a year. Because it was pointless at that time. At that point, it just sounded like hating.

I got on the radio every day and it sounded like I was just motherfucking hating. The dude's winning. Let him motherfucking win. Like, even if I don't like views. I got on the radio and said I didn't like views. That shit was number one for 10 weeks. What would it matter for me to come on the radio every day and say how much I don't like Views, I got on the radio and said I didn't like Views. That shit was number one for 10 weeks. What would it matter for me to come on the radio every day and say how much I don't like Views?

It's pointless. Matters none that that album is number one for 10 weeks if the nigga that made it ain't enjoying that success. I think that nigga's miserable. I think you kind of miserable, Joe, in a lot of ways. I'm documented as being miserable. You don't listen to a Joe Lundahl? Hey, if you don't know that Joe is miserable, listen to a Joe song.

I know you probably have not heard one. And I've never met Drake in my life. Never met him. Never had a conversation with him. Nothing to this day. I don't fuck with these industry dudes. Oh, you drunk them bottles. Shut up, nigga.

I did. Actually, I gave them away. I gave Angela one. I gave Crystal one. We drank one on the set of Uncommon Sense. I gave angela one i gave chris one we drank one on the set of uncommon says i gave zory one i gave him shit away i've regifted all them shit but oh and the last uh insult that you did with joe with uh your tv show i was really offended when you said joe was hip-hop's favorite crackhead because dmx is hip-hop's favorite crackhead and that should be he's always been hip-hop's favorite. Have you done crack? Don't you dare do that. That is true. What was your drug of choice?

By the way, Joe's been on that show. That show he said that wouldn't last, okay, which is going on with the second season. But I didn't want to come. My friends are on that TV show. I didn't want to come. I'm going for it. But you said it wouldn't last.

It's in the second season. Congrats. You know what I'm saying? It does great in ratings every week. But time out. Let me be clear. Let me be clear. I was only saying that not to attack you.

I was looking at the slot that MTV put it at, right, one. And then I was only judging. That was the first episode. I didn't enjoy it. The first episode was real whack. As the show went on, it got better. Absolutely. That's how shows work.

Thanks, Andrew. You're welcome. Thank you for that revelation. Some real obvious shit, bro. That's because Andrew's You're welcome. Thank you for that revelation. Some real obvious shit, bro. It's not obvious. Andrew's in the industry.

I needed that context. Absolutely. Because that sounds like what you were saying. Charlamagne's been saying horrible things about you for a long time, so now every chance you get,

you're going to attack him, and that's not true. Okay. But I'm going to talk about Uncommon since the first episode on my podcast. Absolutely. Everything I'm going to

talk about on my podcast. As you should be able to. And I'm not good for New York radio. No, you're great for New York radio. That's not what you said last week. No, I did say, I said Charlamagne's good for New York radio, and what I meant to say right after was, I don't know how good New York radio has been for Charlamagne.

Why you say that? As we've discussed. I just think your hip-hop card is in the washing machine. Why? Because I said your dissection was pointless. You got good skin and you got a nice body. Yes, I did. You know what? If you stop smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee every two minutes,

you can have nice skin and a nice body too, Joe. Okay? You did dust for years. That affects you. Dust head, I like. Dust head is better. Angel dust. I don't think I called you a crackhead.

But I don't know. I said you did. You said hip-hop favorite crackhead Joe Button. I think I tweeted it. Really? And I wasn't mad as his friend. We talked about it on the podcast. I said you did. You said hip-hop favorite crackhead Joe Button. I think I tweeted it. Really? And I wasn't mad as his friend. We talked about it on the podcast. I'm a huge DMX fan, so I was offended.

I was like, hip-hop likes DMX way more than Joe. I love DMX, by the way. All I'm saying is- And DMX has done crack. It's good to have this productive. I do dust. It's good to have this- Did, did.

I don't know why dust don't get enough props in hip-hop. He doesn't do crack. He does dust. Did. Dust don't get enough credit in the drug world. When was the last time you did dust? I had to be 17, 16. Do you do drugs now, Joe?

No. So it's just mood swings. What about pills? No, I'm just psycho. What about prescription? No, I can't. Have you been clinically diagnosed with any mental illness? You really think there's a screw missing?

Absolutely. I think you're a creative genius, but I think when it comes to, like, social skills and dealing with people, you're a fucked up person. I don't like dealing with people. I don't want to deal with people. Why do you think that is? I'm a recluse. I hate people.

I'm an introvert. But why do you hate people? I'm a thinker. I'd rather live in my mind. I don't hate people. I'm just, I don't really hate people. I'd just rather be around my people, which is myself. I'm just not real industry.

But you have to know. That's not industry. That's a normal, you know, people socialize is myself. I'm just not real industry. But you have to know. That's not industry. That's a normal, you know, people socialize. Some people don't like to socialize. That's nothing to do with the industry. I've been in the industry since I was 20, so yes, it does. When I was at 20 years old, now your whole life, you know, it's kind of like I think now, 35, I'll be 36, I'm single.

It's hard to find a woman in this industry as a rapper. The places I'm going, it's always work, work, work, work, work. This job is a 24-7 job. So, yeah, I hate people. I don't want to go to the club. I don't want to take a picture. I don't want to smell. I want to stay home.

I've become a slave almost to that celebrity, no matter how small it is. So when I talk to Em, and when I talk to the other niggas, the people that, like, you've reached the top of. Em and Em. The top of, like, and that's really where the gym is for me. If anybody that wanted to ever be a rapper could see the end of the road, I think Em is probably close to that as far as his success. So to get all the way up there and to not be able to maneuver around.

In the peak of my success, I hated it. When me and Jay-Z took that fucking picture, he had that orange shit on, I was the man. Kids running. I hated it. That's not who I am as a person. Did it hurt your feelings when Drake said you're a one-hit wonder? No, I'm a one-hit wonder.

As a person. Did it hurt your feelings when Drake said you're a one-hit wonder? No. I'm a one-hit wonder. Did it hurt your feelings when he said I turned into what you almost was? No. No. Not at all.

I don't remember you ever being almost as big as Drake, though. Never. I don't remember that. I don't know why he said that. I don't know why. Maybe context of music, maybe. No. Because he took Joe's blueprint and made it a much easier palette. That I agree with.

I've said that. I'm on record as saying that. That I agree with. So maybe he could have meant that. I didn't understand that. I don't get it either, but I'm an MC. And then you said in your diss record, you was there. You know how it feels.

Like, Joe, you was never- I've never been there. You've never been that number one guy in the world but i've been there when it's happening too fast and you are at the height of um of course i've never i've never seen that success and then at the next uh in the next verse i said um whatever's um just from your views you probably couldn't see it i can't and on my podcast i say he's looking and assessing from a different place than I've ever been,

but I can identify with a lot of things happening fast. That's it. Do you think you're the new Jazzo? I don't know. You don't think this looks like a Jazzo J situation with you and Drake? No. Because it almost looks like the big homie

who's a little upset and jealous that the younger guy blew past him. The younger guy has been past me. He's been past me. But that's how I look. It looks like now it looks disgruntled. In a lot of ways, it looks like you're disgruntled. It don't look like it's coming from a good place.

But also, no one was championing Drake more than Joe around the So Far Gone time. And Joe was making music that was saying, hey, I don't want to be popular. I want to make it for my core audience. So I could see your point if I didn't know that he was championing him while making music he wanted to make. But Jazzo was championing Jay when he was doing the Hawaiian Sophie. Yeah, but Jazzo wanted to be where Jay-Z was.

Joe does not want to be where Drake is. I don't believe that. I don't believe nobody is in this game and doesn't want to be the number one guy. I'd be lying to you if I said I don't want to be the number one multimedia guy out here. When I sign – That could be you. Yeah, everybody's different. When I sign my record contract, I want it to be the best rapper in the world,

and I want it to be respected by all the people that I think are the best, were the best rappers. Doesn't that ultimately make you number one? No, no, no, no. No. I think a lot of people – No, no, no, no. No. I think a lot of people know. No, no, no, I understand what you're saying. I've always wanted recognition from your peers.

But not fame. Right. But recognition from certain people. You don't need some guy who you don't respect their opinion on hip hop. But when you're great, the fame comes anyway. Say again? Even if you're not focused. Like, I don't want to be famous.

I go in there every day to try to do great radio. There we go. But when you focus on being great and you do great focusing, like I don't want to be famous. I go in there every day to try to do great radio. There we go. But when you focus on being great and you do great radio, all that other stuff comes regardless. But there's some people that are great at what they do, and we don't know who they are at all. Like the nigga who made this shit or whatever. When I walked in the club the other night, right,

I saw all the OGs in the back. Busta Rhymes was there. Lord Jamar is there. The kids may know Lord Jamar from DJ Fag TV. You don't fuck with Vlad? Fuck Vlad. I hate everybody. Nobody likes Vlad, though.

I like Vlad. You would. I like Vlad. I like Vlad. He's a nice fella. He's a really nice fella. I have issues with certain things Vlad does, and we talk about it. And we talk about it.

See, that is the part that I don't understand. I got to go. I don't get it. I don't get it. How is Vlad still allowed in hip-hop? And I'm not even about to talk about it here. That's the thing. He's not in hip-hop.

I'm not talking about it. I don't want to talk about him. I will never talk about him. Oh, so I go in the club the other day, Busta Rhymes back there, Lord Jamar from Brand New. That type of when I see Scarface, when I see Black Thought, when I see, and all of the niggas that I see, they know what my pen does.

That's what does it for me. That's what does it for me. I can't, I couldn't be what, I could not do what Drake is doing. I would die first. I would die first before I could do all that. Even if you did it on your own merit? Like, say you was putting out all of this music,

and multi-millions of people fucked with it. You doing you. Not switching up, not changing nothing. You're putting out the music the way you want to. You're putting out, like, making up a murderer, and they fucking with it. And it just makes you the biggest in the world, because everybody's fucking with you.

You wouldn't want that? But that's a utopia to anybody. That's not going to happen. But would you want that? That's a good question. Why not? Anyone in the world would want that. Let him answer, though.

Would you want that? Charlamagne, I'm having a problem right this second trying to manage things. Like, I'm not. You fear success? I'm not. No, no, no. No, I don't fear success. But it's just going to happen on my terms.

What if it does? It has. It has is what you're missing. It has is what you're missing. I look at them niggas, all the people that people are saying are so successful, I just don't look at them like that. I got signed in 2001, right? And all the things that I fought for in Def Jam,

I'm looking at the industry now, and that's the industry that exists today. That's the win for me. So now I'm looking, and I'm inspired now and i'm saying oh you damn sure ain't gonna beat joe budden with the internet nigga i'm the internet before y'all was here i remember joe budden.com it was early before all y'all were here and this was hot and trendy and wavy i was here i was the nigga saying hey kevin leor there's a whole field of people that we should market to out here i was the nigga saying hey kevin leor there's a whole field of people that we should market to out there i was the nigga saying and i'm hey why do we have to do a 12-week rollout why do we have to care about that why can't i just drop album and the people that enjoy it like they

just go get it that's the hip-hop in the industry that exists today i love drake so much because a lot of MCs last decade fought for this. So for him to be able to do what I could not do last decade is the win for me. I think Kanye broke the ceiling for that. I think Kanye broke the ceiling for guys like Drake, for guys like Cole,

for guys like Kendrick, the Vic Minces, Chance, the Rappers. I feel like all of those guys are fruit off Kanye's tree. True. But, I mean, even then when Kanye was doing it. Kanye came out old before. Yeah, he came out after me. It was after me.

So, yeah, he was doing that too. But I'm saying I was doing it old one to then and was told, stop it. Don't do it. Stop it. We don't want to hear it. We want to hear this. So, I'm glad that Kanye is able to come and do that. I'm glad that all of the people that make that introspective type of vulnerable type, I would never hate on.

I love that. That's who I am at my core. And I think this is a perfect ending here because that's what we originally said when we were critiquing views. Joe said just that. I love you, Drake, because you're doing what I could not do with my platform. I just don't want you to go off the wrong path. And then the third diss that everyone keeps calling a diss

afraid, he said that in the diss afraid. Are you sure this has nothing to do with Drake fucking Tahereh? No, me and him have fucked a million of the same women. You said that on the record. We discussed fucking the same girl like a real nigga or some shit like that. Because that's how that's the hip-hop we're in today see some of us niggas some of us some of us we're from a different hip-hop so today i only put that in the record because it was so

baffling to me that you are offended that i critiqued your album you seem to be very hurt you're the biggest rapper in the world. You're addressing me now. It's pumping up. Clearly, you feel a way. You're saying he's telling people behind the scenes, damn, Joe was my man. Damn.

He's hurt. He respects your opinion. Andrew, stop for one second. Did you respect my opinion when you fucked Shorty? So you are upset about that. No, no, no. Let me finish. Were we friends then? No. Here he wasn't So you are upset about that. No, no, no. Let me finish. Were we friends then?

No. So here he wasn't your girl in the right? No, of course not. Okay, then. Stop. Let me talk. Let me talk. I want you my girl.

You're always my girl. My point is the rules don't change depending on the side. So if you could fuck her and I can say to you, I know what's happening. I'm cool. I don't feel no type of way at all. I'm cool. Have a blast. It's not for you to turn around and feel like Mr. Sensitive.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. How could you say something about my elbow? That line is skewed to me. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'll tell you the fundamental difference. Tell me. You fucked Tahiri in private.

And y'all talked about it in private. You went public in Bash View. Oh, sweet. So that's that industry friendship. No, for real. That's why I don't have industry friends. You know why? Because I hate getting thoseview. Oh, sweet. So that's that industry friend shit. No, for real. That's why I don't have industry friends. You know why? Because I hate getting those phones.

You're right. Like, Nikki's my girl. But when I said Iggy should get best female artist at the BET Awards, Iggy Fancy was number one for six weeks. Iggy was the shit early on in the year before they fucking decided to make her the face of white people and kill her.

But she should have won that award. And let's be very clear. I mean, Tahiri would never say it. She's probably mad that we even bring her up. If you talk to Tahiri in private because you know her, she's going to tell you I was the nigga giving advice. To who? I won't say anymore.

To Tahiri on How to Fuck Drake? I won't say anymore. I don't want to talk about Tahiri here. Can I ask one question? But if you speak to anybody, like, that's who I am. One question. What I said on that record, hey, go flourish. Have a blast, y'all.

Dolphins. Run, fucking gallop, whatever y'all want to do. My nigga, why did you queen out just now? Dolphins. I'm saying, go do all of them. The fuck is Dolphins? I'm saying, see, that's what you do. That's what you do.

That's what you do. That right there. That right there. And that's going to be the only clip they post. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's going to be the only clip they post. I know how this works. The editor, yeah. That's why I'm saying this so they know. Girl, do you, y'all.

That good skin shit got your ass. So now you got, I'm sucking you out of here. You're going to pay me to be a faggot every time. But listen, Charlamagne,

on a more serious note, I think you get what I'm saying. Yeah. All right. We had Tahiri on here. I've wondered this on the podcast.

I've wondered this the whole time. She said she likes getting jerked off on. Is that a truth? I'm not going to talk about Tahiri. What the I've wondered this on the podcast. I've wondered this the whole time. She said she likes getting jerked off on. Is that a truth? I'm not going to talk about Tahiri. What the fuck? It's one thing I've been wondering about for fucking a year, Joe.

You can't just say the answer to that one question. No, I'm not talking about Tahiri. I want her to do well. Once again, this is my thing. It was private with Drake. You made it public. I think your issue, Joe, is the issue I don't deal with because I don't have industry friends. You made it public.

I get that. I think your issue, Joe, is the issue I don't deal with because I don't have industry friends. When you have industry friends, they don't expect you to just be talking about them regularly. And Wendy Williams told me years ago, when I first came to New York, she said, you're either going to be of the people or of the industry. She said, there's no in between. And that is the absolute motherfucking truth. Same way you get upset with me. I've been knowing Joe since at least 2002.

Joe's in my apartment in Columbia. Me, him, Wax, we all playing fucking spades together. What the fuck I'm saying? Get this guy. So I understand. I can understand why he's like, what the fuck, Charlotte? You know what I mean? But that's the problem when you have, quote unquote,

friends or close associates in the industry, period. And I think that's what you deal with all the time. Nikki was your girl. No, she wasn't. She was cool with some of your peoples. No, we were raised by some of the same people. Exactly. Her and I have never anything, but we have people in common.

And then Meek, I'm sure you've met Meek before. Oh, yeah, I've met Meek before. So when you say Meek's a bitch, Meek's soft, he's like, damn, what the fuck? I probably dapped that nigga up, we kicked it together. Yeah, well, he tweeted last year. The fourth of July. He said, yo, Anaheim invited you to open up.

Invited Slaughterhouse to open up for me one time. So all that fake shit that I don't give a fuck about. I don't care about that nigga. That's not fake, though. I don't care. If he extended his hand. That means nothing to me. I didn't ask you to go open up somewhere.

You don't know what I want to do musically. Our objectives ain't the same, nigga. Like, people keep talking about wins and losses. For somebody to be able to determine that, you would have to tell me what I'm trying to achieve. So I don't care about that. I just don't care about what these industry fuck niggas got to say. And now I'm finally in a position where you can't blackball me now.

You can't. Y'all did it last decade. Here I am still with ability, still with resources on my own accord. I'm going to say what the fuck I think every single time now. So how are you, this is what I think, how are you just getting in this position now? I've been doing radio since 98. I've been fired four times. Let me tell you.

National syndicated show. And I ain't never felt like I was in the position where I couldn't say what I wanted to say. Period. Okay, so let's go through that then. Wait, you don't understand how artists feel that way? I don't understand how you just get into that position now.

I feel like you could have been in this position for at least the past 10 years. Hell, nigga. The industry wasn't set up for that, Charlamagne. I got signed to Def Jam in 01, right? Kevin and all of them left.

L.A. Reid came R&B, man. I don't fuck with him he ain't don't fuck with me so that's fine I left there and was trying to be trying to be forward-thinking knowing that uh digital was the way to go and I went and fuck with some upstart and they was fuck niggas and then they sold my contract to e1 that's how I got on e1 I ain't fucked with them neither. So now, 70 albums later, here I am. I couldn't be in that position. My lawyers,

trust me, I've tried. I've fought with labels my whole career. A lot of people don't know the Joe Budden story, but the Doe's that do everything I'm saying and doing makes all the sense in the world. Technically, you was the puppet. I was a puppet. I was a fucking puppet. You better fucking believe I was a puppet. Like I said

on my show, my last time coming to Breakfast Club, I didn't want to fucking come to no fucking Breakfast Club. It's not because I feel a way about y'all, but our agendas aren't sound. I don't want to come there and hear all this woman beat the fuck shit. I just don't want to do it. Fuck that. But you got to have your album.

What are you talking about my album? No, you don't. I tell all that shit all the time. I get on the radio right now. I get on iHeart every day, and I tell artists, y'all don't need fucking radio. Radio does not reflect what is accurately going on in the culture right now. I agree. I get on iHeart as a radio personality and say that, but I'm a puppet.

That makes no sense. None whatsoever. I can't be a puppet when I don't go with your agenda, Joe, when I don't agree with something that you do. And then be a real guy in radio when I'm shitting on somebody that you agree with me shitting on. I never care whether I agree or disagree with somebody. And maybe what was said on the podcast, well, I'm going to always, maybe that was the puppet part.

Maybe that was a little out of pocket. Or maybe when I leave here and I can really sit deep in my thought, maybe I can think of something where I can argue that. And I just can't do it right now. I don't know. I'm not that invested. I don't care about it. But my main point to you, we got to a while ago.

Just who I think you are and just thinking that you are above certain things especially with just some of the so that that's all i mean and i was a puppet i think i can say that i think we've all grown we've all evolved and i can i can say the same about you the reason i say that is like when i hear you on the podcast and you say meek is a uh the views i don't want to stop saying because of of it. Huh? Well, I see me because of. Yes, you said he was a bitch. You might have. I wouldn't doubt it.

But I feel like I have bad memory, too, but I wouldn't. But I feel like you're above that. I have a close somebody. I feel like you're above that as a veteran. MC is a bitch. Yes, you said you look like a bitch. I look like and being is two different. That joke. Stop. Are you finished?

Are you done? Stop it. You look like a bitch. You a bitch. So so so my thing is like you I feel like you're above certain things. I'd be like, why are you putting yourself in that situation? Okay, let's talk about that real quick, because I couldn't understand what was wrong. The award show, I would think everybody with a podcast would be talking about the awards.

But you're a little different. We always go to that. You are, you're an artist. So this is weird to me. We always go to that. Okay,. You're an artist. So this is weird to me. We always go to that. Okay, you're an artist. Oh, Jesus. So when that happened, everyone, people on Twitter said, Joe should stick to podcasting.

But then when he's on a podcast, you can't podcast. You're a rapper. Can someone explain that to me? Yeah, the shit changes for me all the time. You gotta stop listening to commenters, man. No, no, no. I'm not saying that, but that was a popular opinion. It keeps going back and forth saying, yo, rap. No, no, no. I'm not saying y'all are saying that, but that was a popular opinion. It keeps going back and forth saying, yo, rap.

No, no, you can't rap. You're a podcaster. You're a podcaster. You can't speak because you're a rapper. Y'all got to make up your mind. Haters are going to find a thing to hate about. That's what they do. That's what haters do.

But your supporters are saying that? Andrew, we're talking about, shit, industry people. Fuck them. You got out the industry for that reason. Fuck the industry people. Who else are we saying fuck? I'm saying, if you're in a position to control your career life.

I didn't say that because of the quote-unquote haters. Charlamagne just said, you can't do that. You're not just somebody. You guys are in a position where you are autonomous, right? You really control your destiny, and you've worked to create that now in that position. So how are you going to care about what the industry says now when they don't affect your livelihood?

If you've been watching recently, I don't. But we're commenting on it right now. I was applying to Charlamagne. How do we know this is real? How do we know that this isn't just some, I'm going to pretend to be the big, bad rebel of hip-hop for attention oh you don't the people that have followed me no i've never done anything for attention if anything i've always tried my best to shy away from it and that goes back to our words and my actions always match i have never done anything for attention ever but you can see

why of course the first two biggest guy in the world we thought it was a reach for attention. Ever. But you can see why. Of course. Because Drake is the biggest guy in the world. We thought it was a reach for attention. If he was trying to get attention, making a murder would not have been six minutes long. It would have catered to Drake's fans. It would have been an easy palate for them to digest. But you're not going to win that with the fans. I know.

That's not a draw for attention. That's why you got to serve your fans. He did those records to personally fuck with Drake. Yeah, I could see that. That's why, because the strategy was all bad if you was actually trying to create a perception of

I'm watching this dude because I would've just waited until French records dropped then put it out. That would've been the smart thing to do if it was all business.

Ask my manager. My manager is a white Jewish guy who keep trying to make all the money. Right? Yeah. Great.

I love him for it. Know what I keep doing? No, Ian. Stop it. Stop. It's not about that right now, Ian. I love him for it. Know what I keep doing? No, Ian. Stop it. Stop. It's not about that right now, Ian. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. This is creative rap person. It's not about... Move it. I don't want you... Hey, don't call Pitchfork.

Don't send everything over here. No, I don't want that. So that's who I've always been. I can't prove that to people who don't know me and have not been following me. I can't. And I'd also like to point out that every time you drop a diss record, senseless killings happen. You dropped the first Making a Murderer.

Yeah, it was fucked up out here, man. Alton Sterling, Philando Castile died. Then you dropped another one. The Dallas shooting happened. You dropped Sunday and freaking the Baton Rouge shooting happened. Unfortunately, the world that we live in... Well, which is why there was a freedom freestyle in between all that yeah did you hear my freedom freestyle that cause i tweeted it was dope

i tweeted out though i said it on breakfast it was it was it was so dope that i can't listen to it no more i get angry i can't watch the video because i get i get angry i can't i'm not gonna front but that's what's happening in the world so but people keep on my back if i was a hater if i really hated joe buttons I had some type of agenda. I don't think you hate me. I just think at one point you wanted to fuck Tahiri. So I just kept getting it wrong. What? Tahiri's pussy has nothing to do with this.

I can't prove it. Joe, what would me want to- Did you want to fuck Tahiri? Who wouldn't fuck Tahiri? But did you want to? I didn't want to. Was this part of your agenda? Were you trying to make Joe look stupid?

What would me shitting on Joe have to do with me fucking Tahiri? I don't know. People do that all the time. I could fuck Tahiri on my own marriage. That's what I'd be telling the new kids today. Like, y'all can fuck these girls on your own marriage. You have to use other men. Why would I shit on Joe?

Yeah, but, okay, so from this point on. There is Tahiri, like, getting jerked off on. That's all I want to know for a year. One fucking year, Joe. Can you just wink if it's a yes? I'm not doing it. Oh, you're asking that because she said that on our podcast. Yeah, yeah, she said.

So why are you asking me? She was on your podcast. I don't ever want to talk about Teary ever. I don't either. I want to move past that part of my life. I want to get off of her. That's not where I am in life. I support her.

Did you say you get off on her? Is that what you just said? Not at all. Did you disagree to what I just brought up? I don't remember now because fucking this nigga. My memory's bad, man. All right. Oh.

I lost it again. This guy's crazy. Listen, I hope all your questions and everything got answered. I hope this conversation was productive in some way, shape, or form. Joe Buttons is crazy. That's just all it boils down to. Crazier, Jace. And I think the diss records that you put out were dope.

Whether they were dope or not, because music is all relative, it lent some pause over there. You're going to have to sit with that Apple marketing team and come up with some shit. But see, that's my thing. He's so strategic. Because when you did Making of a Murderer, then you did the next one, I felt like you was just trying to,

you were so impressed by Drake's strategy. Because I saw you tweeting about how dope his strategy was. It was. That you was just applying the same strategy. I don't know. You was even tweeting scary hours. Like you did, you got your Milana Trump on. I don't know.

Drake's strategy. Drake's strategy. I've been lost, so I don't, I got to catch up on that. Drake's strategy was amazing. But Meek made it real easy. The difference between Meek and I, well, outside of that, Meek cares a lot. I don't. So when you have all these people saying his name, Meek, that's what killed Meek. It wasn't really that he took so long with the response. It was how he reacted to all that was happening.

It showed him to be very emotional and just handle some things poorly. It's because of that he don't even tweet no more today. He took all his antics to Instagram. Cool. For the Twitter fingers. I'm out. But Joe Budden now. I don't care.

Don't you think, knowing that Drake plays chess the way he does, don't you think it would have been bad? Like, you put out that French record, then you bomb on him. The last time I saw that happen was the dip set when Nas went in, and they came out with three heaters. Back to back to back. Too long. Not really. It's the end of July.

I think it would have got the exact same reply. If he wasn't on Adderall, you'd have more patience, Joe. No, no. I'm with the rap. I'm always with the rap shit. I think the same result would have happened. It would have been the same Drake fan saying, Joe is washed up. He just killed you. He just said, pump, pump it up.

And it would have been it. And again, wait, time out, time out. But wait, time out again. And if you want me to say it, oh, no, I don't want to give my plan away, so I can't. But I'm never letting him. I'm not with prevent defense. I'm not letting no nigga strike first.

I know what you about to say. I'm not going to wait for the biggest rapper in the world to fucking say some shit. No, nigga, I'm on your ass. But it's different when... And I've been like that my whole career. Any rapper know you say my fucking name, I'm on your ass.

I don't give a fuck who it is. And I don't care if you a better rapper. Me and Hov done did it. Jay watched you on your Pump It Up joint. And then kept dissing me. Kept dissing me. Yeah, I don't know. Tell me some lines.

Have you ever heard Reminder? Have you ever heard Reminder? Yeah. Reminder. On Blueprint 3, he dissed him. Yeah. And me and him are definitely over it that way. I think it's just still bombing away.

The bar was all you. Ordinary Joe. I thought Game caught all the subliminals on Blueprint 3. Hell no. People are hearing differently, man. Jay-Z is a genius and one of the most brilliant minds hip-hop has ever seen. And he did it his way. You better believe it.

And that nigga be fucking sending them shots out there, and I hear him. But I love him so much, and I'm grown, I'm mature, I'm past all that fuck shit. But Jay dissed me for a long time. Will you and Drake ever be cool and smoke hookah again? I'm fine now. I would have fucking met hookah with a pineapple.

We could do that right this second. Just know that you will never be able to stand in the same park as me when it comes to emceeing. And I said on The Breakfast Club yesterday, I do want to see. If Drake responded to you, I think it would be dope because I want to see what level his bars can get to. Because great competition brings out the best in you. It's interesting, yeah.

And it's not like Drake is whack when it comes to the rack. But you could take Meek out easy. Meek doesn't have the bars. You're going to make his pen work. First of all, Meek and Dream Chasers are going to jump Joe Buddy. Or maybe somebody else's.

Rory, Dream Chasers are going to jump you and Melly's going to smack the shit out of you, yo. I want no parts. Dream Chasers, Rory loves y'all. Y'all going to hit somebody,

hit a real nigga. Hit me. I've been very vocal. I want no parts of the street. So you're too old to still want to be a real nigga, bro. I always want to be real. That's the difference between, I guess that's where

I always want to be a real nigga. I just want to be a real man at this point in my life. I don't care about that real nigga shit. Dream chaser. You're too old to be a real nigga. We're too old to be real niggas, Joe. We're the same age. We're too old to be real niggas, bro. No, no. Street nigga, yes. Same thing. Street nigga tough. That's not true. You just challenge niggas to come fight you. I don't do that kind of shit. I didn't challenge them.as, bro. No, no, street nigga, yes. Same thing. Street nigga tough, that's not true.

You just challenged niggas to come fight you. I don't do that kind of shit. I didn't challenge them. Yes, you did. You said, you want to smack Rory, don't smack Rory, come smack me. He's defending a friend. I said, don't smack Rory, smack me. Why don't you say smack none of us?

You the one that didn't want to. Or smack none of us. You the one that didn't want to. If you want to smack someone, don't smack no one. Why don't you just say, Meek, I'm sorry, I know I was wrong, I started. I said, he said that. Well, why not keep saying that? All right. Nope, I'm sorry. I know I was wrong. I started. He said that. But why not keep saying that? All right.

Nope, nope. He's finished and he's done. Charlamagne, if the Dream Chasers do come in here and try to fuck me up, I will immediately say, I'm just a podcast guy. Why didn't you hit Party Next Door and drink like that? That's a strategy. That's exactly what you should say. That's immediately what I'm going to do.

I'm just a podcast guy. But you know who can't say that? The real nigga. The real nigga can't say that. You can say that. Listen, Dream Chasers, OVO, Chuck, we don't want, no one should get hit. That's real. Rap lives matter.

True. All of my shit is rap shit. Yes. I would hate for this to escalate. I was a part of hip-hop when shootings were occurring every single day, and I would hope that all of us are bright enough to not want to go there, especially with the world we live in. The first thing somebody's thinking is,

you ain't do no shooting, Joe. I would hope not. No, I'm not. I've never claimed to be street or tough my entire career. There you go. Ever. And I don't want that. So just know Joe is all rap all rap and podcast

Real nigga signing As always if you listen to this podcast you think was smart you think we're intelligent you think we're brilliant Yeah, absolutely right you look to the podcast and think we're just a couple idiots. You're right, too No, I just wanted to make sure y'all mentioned y'all was idiots. And why Marissa didn't come? She don't fuck with us because of her affiliation with other radio stations? No, that's not true. She actually wanted to come here.

Yeah. She wanted to come. Marissa used to be my dog at one point. Well, my only thing with Marissa was she seemed to be uncomfortable every time Rory and I talked about the Drake stuff. I didn't want to invite her here because I knew that that would be the conversation. She's a Drake fan, probably. Well, niggas don't want to lose their political connection. I mean, I don't know. I haven't want to invite her here because I knew that that would be the conversation. She's a Drake fan probably. Well, niggas don't want to lose their political connection.

I mean, I don't know. I haven't spoken to her about it. I have never spoken to her about it. I just watch her face when Rory and I talk about it. What political, you know. That's my, she never said that to me. She openly says she works in the music industry. She never said that to me.

Gotcha. That's me saying that. And I respect it. See you just on. All right, brilliant idiots. Good shit, guys. I'll name this podcast later. Thank you for listening.

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