The Joe Budden Podcast - "The Grant Williams Episode"

Episode Date: August 20, 2021

The story of Grant Williams is told for the first time ever on the Joe Budden Podcast. Wrongfully convicted of a crime he didn't commit at 25 years-old, Grant Williams shares his story of facing the injustices of the legal system and being faced with 25 to life while displaying resilience. He sits down with Joe Budden to discuss how he overcame his mental struggles, the outside world moving on without him and his dedication to obtaining his freedom despite the odds being stacked against him. Grant opens up about how being wrongfully accused has changed his life forever and more.   Become a Patron of the The Joe Budden Podcast for additional bonus episodes and visual content for all things JBP: Tap in here www.patreon.com/JoeBudden

I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I'm just making sure you got it. But that right there is why this was so fucking monumental to me. I was telling you off air, all I do is watch

crime shit. Like, I'm like a junkie. Like, I'm excessive with the shit. And I try to put myself in the state of mind of some of the people I watch, right? And they get to that point where they stand you up and say, are you addressed to court? We'd like to hear from you now. With the families there, victims, niggas that don't believe you,

niggas that think you ain't shit. And I be like, like yo if i was innocent this is a trap yeah this is there's no way to like do this tactfully talking for nothing if you're innocent but if you're innocent you you don't want to offend the victim family you don't want to you don't want to offend you chill you innocent you didn't do this if people don't believe you there's no way to get this off, right? So when you say, damn, a microphone. Yeah, that's a fact. It's like, that puts it in perspective for me.

You wouldn't want to talk to them niggas. I've said everything I had to say. What more do you? I said my bad, I said I didn't do it. I would erupt. Yeah, I'll go nuts. I'll my bad. I said I didn't do it. I would erupt. Yeah, I'll go nuts. I'll turn up. In these crime shows I watch, they tell me it's important to not.

To not go crazy. Even your facial and your body expressions and shit like that. That's what they tell me. I don't know if I'd be able to do that. Did they tell that to you? Yeah, they told a whole lot to me. I wasn't listening because I was like, yo, do you got the right motherfucker that did this? You going to let me out?

That's all I was interested in, but let me just introduce myself. I know, I'm going to introduce you. We getting there. No, no, no, no, no. Because I'm going to get into it. We getting there. All right, stay less.

You know what I'm saying? I'm playing a Ghostface track. I know it's corny. You got shot my brother out. Listen, listen. Y'all niggas can judge me. Sorry, but that's how we we're gonna at least introduce this thing I had a shot track

Cued up But I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it Let's do this the right way Mic check, mic check, mic check, mic check, 1-2-1-2. Mic check, mic check, mic check, 1-2-1-2-1-2. Y'all know what the fuck time it is, B. But it just happens, you know, when I step approach the motherfucking record. Y'all know what we do here. Shout out to the first and last time listeners.

Shout out to the Patroni. Shout out to the ladies. And y'all, it's scientific. My hand kiss it. Robotic, glistening, optimistic. You probably pissed it. Watch me dolly dick it. Scotty body, competent. Big microphone, hippie, hipp. You probably missed it. Watch me dolly dick. Scotty body,

competent. Big microphone, hippie, hippie, kipsy, crispy chicken, bros, fuck up a stone,

Ritzy, chop the old, sprinkle a little snow inside an Optimo. Mic check, mic check. We got a real special guest in the building. A couple of real special.

Yeah, we got a few. Yeah, and I'm mad at that. We got a few special guests in the building. I'm overwhelmed. Yeah, that ain'm mad at that. We got a few special guests in the building. I'm overwhelmed. Yeah, that ain't right, man.

We opening up talking about it. Mic check, mic check, one, two, one, two. Energy and still shut the fuck up, Wig. Check out the rap, K-Pin. Summertime, fine jewelry dripping face in your body. I see my, I see my, I see my. Almost can't cut that off anywhere, but. All right, mic check.

One, two, one, two, man. Like I said, we got a real special show lined up. We got real special guests in the building. And we got real important conversations that need to be had. I'll be your host.

The Dawgs is here. Oh, my God, man. Oh, ish. You know how we do. I'll be your host The Dawgs is here Oh my god man Oh Ish Ish Stop without fan out No no no stop stop stop Stop stop Yo he can say anything We talked about top 10 lists in the last episode Stop, without fan out. No, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop.

Yo, he can say anything, fam. We talked about Top Ten Loss in the last episode. Nigga, y'all was outside. We was talking. He sat down. We got busy. Yeah, y'all missed it. Y'all missed that.

We got busy. All right, so listen to this. You are the gentleman I wanted to talk to. Like, this is the conversation I wanted to have. It was super important to me. I read the paper as soon as it came out. Blown away as soon as I read it. And when we started communicating, I was like, yeah, that's important.

I'm not prepared for your family to come in here. I'm not. I, me me personally am not so yeah I'll say like I told Parks man Shy I don't have to tell cause me and him

ran around for a little bit Ghost is in all of our top tens here and no question I feel like they should tell you when somebody in your top ten list

is at least gonna be present bro say what I'm saying here you heard me while out about the verses the Ghosts and Ray and he didn't even tell me that Ghostface was walking to my front door no he didn't know is at least going to be present. Savon said he heard me while out about the verses, the ghost array, and he didn't even tell me that Ghostface was walking

to my front door. No, he didn't know. Yeah. He ain't know. Savon back there like, yo, that's Ghostface. Fucking Savon, right?

Hey, yo. Yo, yo, yo. That's Ghostface. So now I'm going to handle the introduction. Should I not say Grant? Tell me. No, no, you know, Grant Williams is a very famous now.

I'm proud of him. You know what I'm saying? You call me Grant Williams, a.k.a. Joseph Sharp, a.k.a. Big Un. Yes. There we go. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

We have special guest Grant Williams in the building. Thank you for coming. Yes. Thank you for being here. Yes. How you doing? I'm feeling better these days, you know. It was a long journey for those who don't know my story, you know.

Wrongly convicted, sentenced to 25 to life. I was just turned 25 years old. I can't comprehend. See, this is... You know, so... You just turned 25? I was turning can't comprehend. You know, so. You just turned 25? I was turning 25. This is 96?

Yes, and I got sent to 25 to life in 97. So it was like, I didn't believe it was going to happen. You know, I figured they'd get the right guy, you know. And then I started realizing the system that if you've been in any type of trouble when you was a youth, it's more easier for them to put a crime on you because your lawyer's going to recommend don't take the stand because you've been convicted in the past. You know, so you're like more of an easy target. This is what everybody don't look at.

You know, it's brothers who don't get in no trouble when they put these type of crimes on them. But the ones who has been in trouble in the past, you're much, much more easier for talking. So at the time, you had a jacket? Yeah, I was convicted when I was younger. And I strongly believe that because of that conviction, they already had it laid out. Like, okay, we already know that his lawyer is going to recommend he don't take the stand. And people want to know.

If you didn't do it, they want to hear you talk. And I'm like, yo, let me get on the stand and tell my story. Williams, don't do it they want to hear you talk you know and I'm like yo let me get on the stand tell my story Williams don't worry about it the case ain't strong listen let me tell what happened like just to sit there

and be quiet is one of the worst feelings in the world when you can't defend yourself already already you get into one of the questions I have

when I watch these shits on TV where I'm like if it were me and I were innocent no matter what i was going through in the court with the cops and the jury and the judge and all that i would have such a beacon of light at the end of the tunnel because i didn't do it i would feel like hey y'all gonna say whatever the fuck you want to say if you go out and go try to find who did then i'll be exonerated but not not that simple nah it's not

that simple you know in the perfect world that's how that would go but unfortunately in the world that we live in today especially as young black men you know we always talking in different areas it's just not when the conservation is with a whole lot of things crime everything that's no good you see a black face you know i'm saying whatever it is it's conservation. It's with a whole lot of things. Crime. Everything that's no good, you see a black face. You know what I'm saying? Whatever it is. It's always, oh, they lead the most in high diabetes, or they do the most crime. It's always a black face.

It's like nobody else. But then everybody want to be like us. This is a, you know, this is a scare that you deal with. So when you go into that system, you're already guilty. You've got to prove your innocence. It's supposed to be innocent know innocent it's proving guilty but it's guilty to prove your innocence you know how aware were you of that at the time I was I was unaware yeah yeah I was I was unaware I didn't think it could happen like I said like when they arrested me I was like murder I said this just this right here

I called ghost I was like yo they talking about they want me for murder that happened yesterday. He was like, for real? And then I was with my friend right there, born, you know? Because I'm about to say, even with an alibi. Man. If I had an alibi, then I'm really. You'd be in there feeling big dickish. Like, yeah.

Yeah, but I'm going to tell them niggas suck my dick. Yeah. Especially if I have an alibi. So that meant nothing. Nah, nah, nah, nah. How could all of these things mean nothing? Well, the reason is because, you know, when they want to put a case on you, especially you got to remember, I got locked up in the 90s.

You know what I'm saying? So the 90s was the crack era. And in New York, it was so much murders that they just couldn't solve more. So they just was putting them on brothers, you know? Especially black brothers, Spanish brothers. It really didn't matter. Even some white brothers, you know what I mean? But blacks and the Spanish was the most.

So that's why you see today all these wrongful convictions. Those is from the 90s where they actually clanned them up. So when you talk about an alibi, as soon as they put the cuffs on you, they don't want to hear none of that. Guilty, nigga. You're guilty. They cuffed you, you're guilty. That's it. Tell it when you go about an alibi, as soon as they put the cuffs on you, they don't want to hear none of that. Guilty, nigga. You're guilty. They cuffed you, you're guilty. That's it.

Tell it when you go to the jury. So they offer you ridiculous time. You know, you feel you didn't do a murder. I'm not taking shit. I ain't do it. I'm going to tell you some gangster shit, right? So one time I'm in the court pens, right? So I had about a year on rack of sounds.

So I'm like, all right, let me ask this lawyer. I said, yo, what's the cop out? So they sent everybody back to Racket Sound, you know, and they left me there. They was like, Williams. So let's say the court door is like about 10 feet away. They opened up the court door and they had the cell open. I was the only one in there. So they brought me out.

They said, bring him out. And when I came out, it was like it was some gangster shit. I had three, four DAs. You you know they was always fighting against the case I have just my lawyer and the judge was sitting sideways and I said yo so what's the cop out they said all right well you've been convicted take 12 minutes 25 I said I didn't do it why would I take that why would I take you know saying that's crazy and they back, and this is crazy. They said, yeah, we know you ain't do it. You know, straight up.

So I'm looking at my lawyer like, yo, you heard him? No. I swear to everything I love. My dad pops everything. He's like, yo, we know you didn't do it. So we'll go down to a flat 10. I said, they said, you do eight years and four months. I said, I'm not taking that.

The fuck y'all think y'all is, you know? I got offended, you know? And I was, you know, a little immature. I didn't know what the hell was going on. I just didn I'm not taking that. The fuck y'all think y'all is, you know? I got offended, you know? And I was, you know, a little immature. I didn't know what the hell was going on. I just didn't think it could happen. Yo, I'm getting goosebumps because even if I was innocent, I may have thought about it a little bit. Nah, nah. That's what they want you to do. I know, I know. It's by design.

No, I get it. I totally understand. Ten was like forever for me at that age. I'm like, yo, ten? What the fuck? I'm 29. I don't know. You know? So next thing I know, maybe about a couple of months later, like I was saying, they was like bringing the first panel. I didn't even know what the hell the first panel was.

I tell everybody. I tell this story all the time. I turned around. They cleared the courtroom. I turned around and looked back. I thought it was snowing. All white faces. No black people. These are jurors. So I'm like, yo. That's the it was snowing, all white faces. No black people.

These are jurors. So I'm like, yo. And I hate to say it. No, at that point, you cooked. You know what I said to myself? 25 to life. I knew it. That was my first thought.

I zoned off. Were you kept up to date at all between your lawyer with the process of jury selection even? Was that a surprise to you? What you mean? Like when you say the first panel came in and it was all white faces? Yeah, I was surprised because I never experienced none of this in my life. I never went to trial. I never knew about how many challenges you got.

So if you got a murder, you get 23 challenges and the DA get 23 challenges. So you got a panel of 50 to 100 people coming in. So if you only got 23 challenges and you got majority Caucasian people, some of them cops, I got to use my challenges to get them off. So now when you bring about the third panel in, when you see a few black faces,

you don't have no more challenges. And black people don't want to sit on the jury. They don't. We find any reason to get out of the jury. Any reason to not do it. I thought white people didn't either. Well, they don't. They abide by the rule.

They get scared at the little, hey, we're going to dock your pay. They get it. Yeah, they don't, but they do. Some feel like it's their civic duty. Yeah, they be proud to do that. I've contributed my part. Fam, think about what he said.

I'm thinking about all this no you 25 you got a jacket you go get some motherfuckers that cause it's supposed to be a jury of our peers you a 25 year old black boy from the projects some white lady from Long Island

ain't my motherfucking peer yep that's a fact you know what I'm saying then they build it up like yeah he snatched a pocketbook when he was 12 they be like yeah yeah yeah we gotta get the pocketbook when he was 12 they be like

yeah yeah yeah we gotta get him off the street he did it yeah he did it before we don't gotta hear shit

you did it you did it that's crazy my nigga well no I know it's a shame that you have to kind of be well informed on the business

of the court system to really get your shit off like it's a shame like this was a surprise all the shit he said was a surprise I didn't know I didn't know i didn't know i didn't know but they running

the business still like they got a penis somewhere on somebody did you um i feel like this is almost a stupid question but i have to ask because you're innocent what was the feeling from like the families of people that maybe didn't believe you or just anybody that didn't believe you? Hmm. Well, you know, a lot of people on Stat Now, because they was out there that day, it happened in broad daylight, so they seen what happened. They seen what transpired.

But, you know, people don't like to deal with the courts. You know what I'm saying? Of course, of course. You know, so that came afterwards. But, you know, like the family, the victim's family, they came in the court, I believe. I didn't even know the dude had a sister. I know her. So I turned around.

The courtroom was there for me. My family and my friends basically filled the whole court up. The victim's family wasn't there because they knew I didn't do this shit. You know what I'm saying? So when I turned around, I seen the victim's sister not knowing that that's her sister. I'm giving her like, you know, what's going on? And she's looking at me with the gas face like, he was screwing me. You know what I'm saying?

And I started playing two and two together. I seen where she was sitting. And I said, oh, okay. She want to play this game. And she live in the hood and she know I didn't do it. She know I had nothing to do with it. But I understand now that The victim's family Wants somebody to pay

You see what I'm saying Whether they got the right guy Or the wrong guy They want somebody to go down Fuck it He didn't do it They locked him up for a reason But it's real shit

That you gotta deal with Yeah You know what I'm saying So at that point Someone's angry Yeah They hurt Someone's hurt

Somebody gotta pay Nah but That's real shit Nah I'm just saying But In our hoods because we all come from basically the same shit right broad daylight somebody get shot i'm assuming yeah yeah somebody gets shot if the hood know who did it how do you let one of your own go to jail for it yeah stop this come on that's because i'm not talking about white America. I'm talking about our hood.

I'm going to tell you how, Ish. Because you, just like he said. Nigga, the hood will keep a secret. Yeah, the hood ain't coming to court. The hood will keep a secret, Ish.

Who going to be the person to go to court and say, yo, it wasn't him. It was him. No, you ain't got to say it wasn't, it was him. But you got to be like, nah, it wasn't him.

I was out here. But then they're going to say if it wasn't him, who was it? How you know it wasn't him? I guess. That opens them up to too much. Come on, we know this. OK, so the lawyer, panel, jury, no, I'm not taking that.

I'm innocent. I didn't do this. We fighting this. Right? When you find out that you're going down, guilty, Tavern Lawyer Appealists, I'm out of here. No, no, no, no, no, no. That wasn't going like that.

When they said guilty, I went off in the court. I got the articles to this day. They were saying that I was trying to escape. I wasn't trying. I was just like anybody else that's innocent. You don't believe it. I know I'm guilty. Wait, wait up, wait up.

Yeah, let me out this one. You know what I'm saying? Right. So they all, you know, they all, you know, restrained me, the officers and everybody in the courtroom got up. That's how I imagine it would go when I watch this shit on TV. Yeah, it was like, it wasn't just that quiet, like guilty. That was it.

It was an eruption in the court. You know what I'm saying? Everybody was like, what? Because it was too much evidence that was displayed at trial that I'm not going to get too much into right now that proved my innocence. You follow what I'm saying? So it was a, and listen, I don't care what nobody says. Racism, strong. Because it was the only eyewitness.

It was one eyewitness. And he was Caucasian. You know what I'm saying? And it was all only eyewitness. It was one eyewitness, and he was Caucasian. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And it was all Caucasian jurors. And it all boiled down to who they going with, them or me. And I seen that shit firsthand. I don't care what nobody said.

I seen it, and I had experienced it. And the shit was crazy. Like, when I heard the guilty, I'm like, wait up. Nothing added up. That's the real reason of why I personally think the judicial system is flawed granted it's flawed for many reasons but when you say that justice will be decided by a jury of our peers i don't ever think that can be true because when you put humans there all we have is our interpretation of things or our experiences that we yeah yeah that's it so nah you put these fucking white people it just spells set up it spells set up to

me listening listening to you i get mad watching it i get mad reading it i get mad i've read a lot of stories about the state intentionally trying to get rid of black jurors for whatever reason they can yes to win the case that's what you're talking about the challenges. Yeah, they want you out of here. But why do I have to tackle, granted, I didn't do this

horrific crime and y'all think I did, which is heavy and overwhelming enough. Right. Why do I have to unpack racism now? Like it's just so nuanced.

Nah, because your conviction of the crime is embedded in racism no I know yeah I know you wouldn't even be got cuffed from the rip

one I wouldn't listen last week I was telling y'all that I had some court shit that went on where the only reason I was saved was because there was

a neighbor a nosy neighbor that was recording and she was she was kind of, ooh, buddy, saved my ass. But she was kind enough to give me this footage.

It was hers, but she gave it to me. And they tried to resist it in the court, but you see this. You see what's going on, right? Think about that. They can know you innocent

and got a tape to prove your innocence, right? These are people that we hire to protect the service. So and got a tape to prove your innocence. Right? These are people that we hire to protect the server. So they got a tape that says, yo, he really ain't do this shit.

We trying to suppress that evidence not to come to trial. Who the fuck is you serving? If you know a nigga ain't do it, let that nigga free.

Don't try to suppress the evidence. Well, that's why I'm listening to what he's saying. That's crazy, my nigga. Well, what if that neighbor didn't want to give me the tape because she ain't like me because i was back next grant williams you know what i'm saying you did that time came home and hopefully you would have got the tape and it would have proved your innocence all right so you erupted in the court yeah yeah yeah naturally i can't say rightfully so that was

that was a natural feeling I believe anybody That's innocent Would say wait up You know I just couldn't believe it You know And yo I'm not gonna lie I cried when I was down there I don't cry

And I ain't cried Since that court date Danny two and a half decades I said that shit I'm gonna fight these people You know what I'm saying I'm not gonna deal with my emotions I ain't gonna let my emotions

Supersede my intelligence I'm gonna use my intelligence And I'm gonna get the fuck out of here I'm gonna make it out of here one day, you know? I'm not going to die in here. When did that come about? As soon as they put the cuffs on me and I blew dry. I said, I'm going to make it out.

I always had that determined. You know, I wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to get lost in the system because I was seeing it, and I was seeing it at a young age. I seen brothers getting stabbed to death, killed. I seen brothers losing their mind. I seen their fight was going on and I just refused to be one of them brothers. You know what I'm saying? So when they put the cuffs on me and they was putting this crime on me, I was like,

wait up. What's wrong with me? Right. Then when I blew trial and then now I'm up north in the mountains in these maximum penitentiaries, I'm like, yo. Bouncing around? Yeah. So I'm saying to myself, yo, how the fuck?

One day I was just laying there. I said, nah, that's not going to be the end of me. That's not going to end how my chapter ended my life. Prison and dead, and that's that. I'm amazed that your journey didn't start with discouragement. Nah, nah. I would have started there. O-Fam, I would have been depressed for about a year.

Yeah, you talking about, yo, no lie, I cried. I had to cry every hour. Nah, nah. Because you know what it is? It's just like I said before, I'm no stranger to hard times. You feel what I'm saying? So I know things is going to get rough, but I wasn't expecting that. See, that's why I was telling you, like,

everybody talks about what they would have did and all that, but when you place in situations, man, you don't know what you're going to do, but you know you're going to go on survival instance automatically. That's just going to kick in. That's why as I listen to you talk, listen, I don't know nothing about the stuff that you're saying, but as I listen to you talk, I'm trying to play it out. Like, if it was me.

What you would do, right? The discouraged portion of what I'm saying would have had to been short-lived for me. Because then I would have had to get into what he just said, survival mode. Jungle mode. Y'all didn't do this. I'd be an animal, nigga. You're about to lay up with the animals. I'm not this person that y'all saying, but it's on now.

Yeah. So we here. I ain't going to walk in here and just tell all these niggas I didn't do it. Nigga, I'm going to eat this food and go to Sleepy's food. Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. And don't you know something, too? It's like, this is like ghosts. I used to call them all the time, yo.

Like, Shaheen was born. Like, this, you know, my family, that's my strength. You see what I'm saying? I had to go in there and take the phone and then, yo, yo, you know, I had to do what I had to do. But that was my strength. When you hear your family and your people like, yo, you know what I'm saying? That they're going to stand behind you. That gives you more strength.

You know what I'm saying? And it gives you faith that you're going to make it. You know what I mean? So I had support. But I'm the type of person, like, I'm going to do what I got to do regardless. Because I know at the end of the day, I'm locking in that cell. I got one, so I got to do everything to keep my own sanity

first. 96, because I keep getting into your shoes, right? But let me try to step out of that for a sec. Triumph is 96, 90, when? 97. 97. Nah, 96 is purple tape.

Yeah, Iron Man. Yeah, I was there for Iron Man. Bam. Jesus. But that's your hope. But that's your hope. I know, but I want to highlight that. Yes, that's the hope because this is where we are in the story.

But let's go back now. This is 96. My family is kings of the culture. My my family's kings of the culture my family are the kings of the culture and this happened and you take me away from this and it's happening now you take me away from the money the girls the travel there is nothing that can make that up word nothing last week i talked about last week on this pod, the NBA draft was recently, right? And it was a gentleman, Terrence Clark, who died in a car crash in April, and he was a projected top 10 pick. So when the draft happened, I was saying how, like, wow, three months away. Just three months away from generational changes.

Right. And damn, God, it's different now. It's different now. Not to that extent, because you're with us. But that's got to be the feeling in 96. Word. That's some shit. Oh, y'all trying to come in.

Y'all seen Ice Cream Video. Y'all seen something that's going on. And you see my family coming to court. And my family is somebody in the social scene. That's a fact something that's going on. Nah, and you see my family coming to court and my family is somebody in the social scene. Yeah, that's a fact. We gonna get you, nigga. Remember how,

remember how, listen, you hear Juice WRLD's people now, some of the people that was on that jet, talk about how, hey, we was coming in and it's like they knew

we was coming in because it's customs, but they was treating us like they knew we was coming in because it's customs, but they was treating us like they knew we was coming in. It wasn't a normal, so he swallowed a bunch of shit. And that's their story to tell. But it's just that paranoia of,

are you treating me a certain, are you treating this a certain way? I'm being targeted a certain way. This is not going normal. How was your first week? Enjoy. Pleasure. certain way. I'm being targeted a certain way. This is not going normal. How was your first week? In jail? Pleasure.

Where were you at? But you was on trial for what? How long you was on trial? 18 months. So you had already sat? No, no, no. I was on trial for only two weeks. What? But you sat for 18 months. Hold on, hold on. What y'all don't know is that,

what I didn't know and I just found out was that my case was solved in four hours. What? Yeah. I just, I just.

I didn't know that until the DA said, you know, and they turned everything over because, you know, that goes into civil court. But they, I didn't know that

this homicide was solved in four hours. That's, that's mathematically impossible. Yeah, solved incorrectly in four hours. That's mathematically impossible. Yeah, solved incorrectly in four hours. Yeah, meaning that they got me and the case was closed. What you mean? They got you. The cops locked you up

and stopped soaking. It was done in four hours. Another stupid question. Why? How could that be possible? It's impossible. You lazy cops, nigga. Same shit happened with the Central Park. We know cops.

Listen, it's black men here. We know cops. What I'm saying is, who the fuck do we call on when we know the cops is copping? Who the fuck you gonna call? There gotta be a pecking order. Dog, we just said that they could find some evidence that literally will exonerate a motherfucker. And legally, they'll suppress it. That's a fact.

So who the niggas that you calling on, they the niggas that saying suppress it. Yeah. Fam, at some point, it started being about legal instead of right. The law don't necessarily be right. Well, that's why I was asking. So they'll follow the rules of the law instead of following the rules of morality. That turns into a loss. You get what I'm saying?

Like, that's the bullshit. We want to put a W up in this. Yeah, like, yeah. Morality don't play no part in this. No, no, no. They don't have no conscience to even deal with principles and morals. It's like, we looking to get our, you know, we looking to make our career go up and off of Grant Williams with a murder conviction.

It's like, now I got another notch under my belt. And if you could convict that innocent, that's hard. It's easy, but it's hard. So they know it, that's like a big challenge. Oh, you got Williams. Oh, yeah. And they know the deal. So it's just

that's why I say, man, mentally, the mind is fragile. Somebody could go through that and look at the case with Jay like mentally, the mind is fragile. That's some shit. Somebody could go through that and look at the case with Jay-Z with the kid. Cleve Brown. Rest in peace. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, yo, people just ain't, we're not made to be caged. You feel what I'm saying? Us as humans, we like to enjoy our freedom. Animals are made to be caged. Animals neither. Yeah, animals don't like to be caged, you know? So when you put somebody that, you know, at a certain age in their life and you still, actually, even though I'm 25, I'm still immature and certain.

You're a kid. You're still developing. You follow what I'm saying? Yeah. So when you put somebody and you put them through that storm, it's like, yo, oh, shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, what you going to do? And I said, all right.

So now it became personal with me. And I don't worry about inmates going into jail, something happens. Like, I'm not worried about none of that. You feel me? I mean, it's, you know. But that's, the system was always my problem and my beef. That's what kept me fighting. That's what I'm saying.

That shit right there when you wage war, that keep you alive. Yeah, like, I just slept. That's your motivation at that point. I slept all day with that judge turning sideways and they talking about on some gangster shit like yeah well we know you didn't do it and they listening

like it was nothing like my life was nothing I took that personally that's why I said for the rest of my life this is what I'm going to be doing advocating the truth

you see what I'm saying so this don't happen to nobody I want everybody to know the raw day and there's so much more that I you know but this but this is really a sad injustice. And you wouldn't look at me and know that because mentally I keep myself strong.

And by me speaking about it, that's my therapy. Well, yeah, but I wouldn't look at you and know that because you got to be the flyest nigga from jail. You look good when you came home um what about a year like what's about a year and a half going now i'm saying something like that i appreciate that brother you know so so you up, your family, your loved ones, your network, give me the sentiment. How they feel. You had to be strong because this is your mission to go have,

but how are your people feeling? I got kids. They was babies. How many kids? Three. They was babies. I got two boys and two girls, and they was babies. And it's like one time I was on Rockets Down,

and my son came, and he didn't want to let my leg go. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, shit. Come on, you trying to fuck us up in here, though. Yeah, you can't be doing that, my nigga. Yeah, you can't be doing that. I'm like crying in front of Ghost. Yeah, you can't be doing that, my nigga. That's Ghostface. Yeah, you can't be doing that, my nigga.

That's crazy. I mean, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? I don't like the, like, you know, the stories I got to tell dealing with this is going to be like, nah. You know? But that's just a mental scar I have. You know what I'm saying? But the thing is, and this is where it's like a total mindfuck for me.

I'm sure you But the thing is, and this is where it's like a total mind fuck for me. I'm sure you got stories to tell. The stories that would exist if by chance you weren't here to have stories to tell. Right? Like, I'm a dad too. That's right. So, it's funny. It's funny.

We're going to take a break because y'all ain't going to give me to cry here. But when I drop my son off at like my dad's and then I'll I'll go, I'll hear him cry through the door. So I won't want to leave. So I'll call. I'll start blowing my dad's phone. He'll be like, yo, man, he's good. Go, get out. Why you keep doing that?

I'm like, yo, I just can't stand to hear my baby cry. I know he's good. I know you my dad, you got it but I can't stand to hear that. So for you to talk about your kid grabbing on and they, man. And you got. I know you my dad. You got it. But I can't stand to hear that. So for you to talk about, like, your kid grabbing on and, man. And you got to go back to the jungle. Are you kidding me? Look, you ain't going.

You ain't going. He ain't leaving him at school. You going to the jungle. Because we all work. Like, we all come from what we come from. And we all get it how we get it. And it might not always be the safest way, right? So let's say I don't make it home one day.

And yeah, it's fucked up for the people that love me. But my contribution to my family, to my kids, to my mom, to my dad, to my uncles, to the people that need me, I'm in heaven. Niggas is fucked up down here without me. So yeah, he alive. And you're taking him away from, you just fucked up down here without me so yeah he alive and you taking him away from you just fucked up black infrastructure you just fucked structure up intentionally

it's the same design that was happening when they took the factory jobs and went on I mean we can go on and on about this but when you keep hearing it right and this the crazy shit for him I can't

in a million years say how he had to feel but dog when you did it and you sitting there that's be like damn I got caught I got caught

yeah my nigga when you didn't do it and you sitting there oh man you full of rage my nigga that's a different animal like when you did

it you cheated on your girl all right right damn she caught me when you know you really ain't cheat though you'll be on fire you'll be on like yo what the fuck did you talk yo yeah yeah but when you cheated you like damn she caught me but yo fam if you really didn't do it and you got 25 to life and you didn't do it I watched 50's show for life right but I watch it from the comfort of my home and

that nigga be going through hell in there what yeah the Aryans was on him his lawyer was pulling a move he be dealing with it all

he gotta read books learn degrees fight that he gotta fight everything and I be home laughing saying yo I done been went to bed I done went to sleep dealing with it all. He got to read books, learn degrees, fight that. He got to fight everything. And I be home laughing saying, yo, I'd have been went to bed.

I'd have went to sleep. Hey, y'all got it. But when you're innocent, But when you're innocent, yeah, you're innocent. You're like,

yo, I gotta be able to prove it because it ain't true. That shit got me so frustrated because of how slow everything must move. That's what I'm getting at. And even that case, when you're innocent, like going back to the for life shit, every time he found It ain't true. It's got to be so frustrating. It's how slow everything must move. That's what I'm getting ready to say.

And even in that case, when you're innocent, like going back to the for life shit, every time he found something that might help him, they jumped out to pull it away from him. Purposely, my nigga. Intentionally. After six months of waiting to even present it properly or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Sorry, you can't present that now. Oh, we ruled that out now. Which is to my next question.

Why does this take 25 years? 23 years. Why does it take- It was like, man. 23 years. Why does it take? It was like, just like y'all just said, everything I put in the court, they shot it down. And they was holding evidence. And they was destroying evidence. And it's like I had to really push their hand. And I've been trying it for a long time.

What helped me was that as I was incarcerated, the laws started changing. You know what I mean? Okay. And then brothers started getting out. Maybe in 2003, they had a case called Martin Tankleff. He got out. He kind of opened the door. He was accused of killing his family in Long Island.

So me, I studied the law. I learned the law. I said, man, I got to get the fuck out of here. This is my all-day job. Yeah. So when I started reading, then the state started recognizing that, man, I got to get the fuck out of here. This is my all-day job. So when I started reading, then they started recognizing that, yes, people are innocent because now the office chain's over. It's not the same DAs and prosecutors in there no more.

You know, now you're talking 10, 15 years later. So now people are starting to say, wait a minute. What the fuck is going on? So they started doing wrongful conviction units in all the boroughs. I was just about to say all the different wrongful conviction units in all the boroughs. I was just about to say, all the different wrongful conviction units, all the different third-party programs. Yeah, it's non-profits that started fucking with it.

Yeah, so people, because nobody want, see, for murder, like, we like looked upon, like, when you're a convicted murderer, nobody wants no part of that. Because that's like one of the worst crimes. You know, when you got these rape-wall motherfuckers, they'll rape all day, and they'll go in and out the system. You know, they so lenient on those type of people.

They let them rape little kids and then they let them out. You know, they don't even get no time. Hell yeah. So now, I mean, they might have tightened up the law now, lately, you know. You know, but I don't want to get off track with that. But like, so when you're dealing with this system, and it's like, you got to fight. Like, I get calls from prison. They're like, yo, I said, yo, I was in there with a lot of y'all.

Y'all don't got that. You got to have that warrior spirit. Like, because they'll make it comfortable. They'll give you, you can get married and get a trail in New York State. It's rough. It's rough prison. A weekend. You get a whole weekend.

They lock you in. You can do all that. You can have that fun. And they'll put you in the TV, but it's drama. So they'll make it. It's not like if you're in a third world country jail where you ain't eating. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's just standing around.

You're shitting and pissing in the dirt or whatever. New York State will make it kind of comfortable for you. You follow what I'm saying? Uh-huh. And nah, fuck all that comfortability. I went out. And that was always my fight and my struggle. Nothing else mattered. I wasn't the one that's getting on the phone crying. Yo, they did that comfortability. I went out. And that was always my fight and my struggle. Nothing else mattered.

I wasn't the one that's getting on the phone crying, yo, they did this. Nah. I was the one on the phone, yo, Shaheem. Yo, Ghost, listen, man. Yo, go do, you know what I'm saying? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I never gave up.

And sometimes I felt like my family and everybody was getting, oh, man, you've been doing that. And yo, you mind? I said, I'm never letting this go. You follow what I'm saying? That take a lot of what I'm saying that take a lot of um strength right there alone because I'm me myself and I'm pretty sure a lot of other people I know I didn't do it but once they come down with that time after a certain point it's like

it's a new reality yeah it's like damn I'm really I'm gonna just wrap my head around it yeah like yo I'm gonna have to do this And a lot of people would give up. That's a fact. A lot of people do, I think. Yeah, yeah. These niggas are stronger than me. Yeah, no, that's a different type of thing. So you lived in the library.

You lived in the library. Yeah, I stayed. I stayed. You know, I'm a barber, too. That's why you always see my shit cut, you know? Ghosts are just telling me to say, every time I call, you're cutting your hair. I say, yo, man man This is what I do No no no

I see your first tape That's a little tape That's the worst That's the worst But nah you know Mainly I spend my time In law library you know Got into a whole lot of shit

In prison in the beginning But it was like yo Was it difficult Getting access to that stuff Did they try to stop you From getting access to stuff Nah nah nah I mean they would

If you were in the box But in population You could you know You could sign It but in population, you could sign. It depends on what jail you went to. Like Clinton, they try to discourage you. Gotcha. I don't know if you ever heard of Clinton down in the war, but they try to discourage you. They on some real KKK shit up there, like, no talking.

If I fucking can't talk, how the fuck are you going to show me how this go? You know what I'm saying? No talking, Williams. Yeah, whatever. You know what I'm saying? They don't want you to talk and you don't know shit. So you're reading a book

that you don't even understand that language. You see what I'm saying? So, you know, even though they give you access, they don't. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, we're gonna let you in,

but you figure it out on your own. And that's, you know, you got some... Yeah, you're like, that's like tying one hand behind your back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Putting the blindfold on you and shit.

Push you in. How many different prisons were you in? A lot of them. Yes. A lot of them. Prisons, you know,

you can never be comfortable in prison because, you know, you could be laying up and that's the next day they be like, yo, Williams,

pack up, you in the draft. The draft? Where the fuck I'm going? Oh, I don't know yet. I'm no, listen, tell me where I'm going. Now,

everybody's afraid of the unknown. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's not the point of me. No, it's just when you don't know what's going to happen, you're obviously going to get butterflies. If you're going into a ring to fight or you get into a fight in the yard or whatever, naturally you're going to feel, you know,

you know what I'm saying? So now they're telling you, we're just going to take you out of your house and we're going to push you somewhere else. So now you go down there They shackle you up And I'm on the bus For eight hours And you're further away

From your family Being able to come visit Further away from the family So I try to stay in the jail Oh like mental shit Crazy That's a mental torture My nigga

Now your moms Your moms might be older You know what I'm saying Your baby moms Might got a job Two jobs Whatever the case may be They can't travel

Nine hours to see you And a lot of whatever the case may be. They can't travel nine hours to see you. And a lot of them shits his way up. They can't. By design. Right. Prison is what I realized is the sign to break you. You feel what I'm saying? And take your self-esteem.

You see what I'm saying? And make you, just like you said, want to go to sleep. Right. And it was, you know, people say, oh, what's going on? So, you know, I was a guy that was, you know, I'm not just having anything. You see what I'm saying? I kept myself strong. Like, yo, so it was like when people remind you of who you are when you call home and

you see people that know you from the streets, they be like, yeah, I'm that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? That's not going out. So it gives you more strength. You feel what I'm saying? Sure. It makes you say, yo, nah, nah. Then I talk to ghosts on my family and he'd be like yo when you get out yo we doing this you know i'm saying always supportive financially whatever they could do lawyers or you know that's a whole different story you know so it just depends on you and what you're going to do you know and it's it's hard. Or your support system, like you said.

Imagine if you ain't had them. Right. Every mother can't afford lawyer fees. That's a fact. Every mother can't afford to keep a pill, and every mother can't afford to even put fucking money on your books. Yeah, that's what I'm sitting here thinking about. He had people that would have gone to the end of the earth to get it done, and it still didn't matter.

Still didn't matter. Right. All that money to that trial lawyer, right, still didn't matter. Didn't matter. It didn't matter. When they want you, they want you, they're going to get you.

You're done, yeah. That's it. Like you said, they was done the minute, he was done the minute they put the cuffs on him. This is our guy. I don't care about nothing else. I don't care what you can prove. Don't matter.

So you did all your time, or you gave something back? No, what happened was, I had caught a jail case, you know what I'm saying? So when that happened was, they put me for 27 years to go to the parole board, but then I wound up beating it, so pushing it a little earlier to go to the parole board, you see? So technically, when I went to the parole board, they got me down as 25 to life. But being I gave time back, they only counting the state time. Got it. You follow what I'm saying? But I don't argue

about the time, you know. I argue about that in civil court. Yeah, yeah. I know you don't argue about that. Y'all can say, alright, whatever. Nah, that's crazy, man. But, you know, it's just a sad reality, you know? I mean, I try to, you know, have like a sense of humor with it

because I don't want to be up here too emotional because then we all going to be in here emotional, you know what I mean? No, you are in, you appear to be in amazing spirits. You got an amazing story. I keep trying to stop myself from crying while you're talking. I'm so soft yo so with regards to your case you can't talk too much

about your case right but you feel confident that you're gonna get some it ain't no justice again my nigga if they take 25 years from your life I don't give a fuck if they give you 25 million dollars nigga you took 25 years of my life. I don't give a fuck if they give you $25 million. I don't care. Nigga,

you took 25 years of my life. I had kids that was babies. No, you grew up at 25. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had kids that was babies. Ching Ching is coming. No, I'm just saying, yo, dog. But still,

how old are you now? I'm 50 right now. 50. Wow. Nigga looks great. You know what I'm saying? I was sitting here doing, man. Yeah, I was thinking in my head,

but I'm like, he said, did the whole 25 fam like yo you 50 right you 50 even if the Knicks give you 25 million dollars

dog you don't have no experiences with your kids you can't never get that back right people in your life done passed away you can't never see them

you can't never hold them you can't never hug them again all of that shit you get into one of my next questions like your your mental fortitude is out of this world never hugged him again. All of that shit. You get into one of my next questions, like your,

your mental fortitude is out of this world. For real. But what was one of the more, what was the, what were some of the more difficult days in there? I know for me with the people I know that went up, yeah, that's all tough.

Got it. Christmases and shit like that. Yeah. Like my dad, when he was in jail. Christmases and shit like that, yeah. Like my dad, when he was in jail, he couldn't go to his mom's funeral. He couldn't go to my grandma's funeral. Oh, okay. Like today, that still is there for him.

Like, yeah, I lost the time. It was fucked up, but I wasn't there for that. That hurts. I know. Like some of those, like you said, just missing the important dates.

Like, yeah, you got to to do what you got to deal with but well you know the most difficult day was not being there with my kids as they was getting older you know that would that was every day like i would see them it's the birthday i'm like damn it's my fucking tall you know so you're going through all of that, right? And as you're balancing that, you come home to the stock market going crazy. Phones, you can look at each other.

You can look at each other on the phone now. You went to jail, niggas were walking around with Walkmans. I was going to ask a question. Were you, while you were incarcerated, did J-Pay still exist? Did it exist yet? J-Pay is an app that you can communicate and send money to people that are incarcerated, at least in New York State.

Yeah, yeah. And I have some friends that are incarcerated. That's all. That's all. That's all new shit. That's fly to me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's fly.

It's fly. But you know what was, you know, crazy? Like, I never seen a cell phone. Like, you see all these cell phones? I used to look at a magazine and say, yo, how the fuck, how do they talk on this? People can't hear you. Because you're all left with the flip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't start waiting with the gel. Now it's the Jetsons. Nigga, we got FaceTime. That's just what I used to say. I used to say, dude, be like, yo, you know, I said, listen, man, I waited a long time for the George Jetson era. I get out, I want to go through and text Sanji. You got to watch your work, nigga. Yeah. Bro, that's Jetson ever. I get out, I want to go to Texas. You got to watch.

You got to watch. You got to watch right now. That's Jetson shit. I want to see. You know? So, that's the worst feeling though when you

living in a world that you're part of but you're not. Cars look funny. You get inside the car. Everything is touchscreen. Cars drive themselves now. You don't got no key no more.

You drive them to the car. I'm driving like, I'm driving this style, you know? It's all good, man. But I want to hear about what the re-acclimation process was like. Yeah, so, you know, when I finally get it, like, ghost, he be like, man, listen, man, you know, I'm trying to learn. I said, he said, how the hell you know more than me? Yo, how you know how to do that?

I said, you know what I did? I get on YouTube and watch that shit. Yo, how you work this, how the hell you know more than me? You know what I'm saying? Yo, how you know how to do that? I said, you know what I did? I get on YouTube and watch that shit. Yo, how you work this, how you work that. Yo, you got time. You ain't got nothing but time to learn. You know what I'm saying? We figured Ghost didn't quite learn all the little iPhone tricks. He know it now.

He learned it. He know now. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I just was just, I'm always determined to learn new things. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I never want to just, I'm always determined to learn new things. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I never want to feel like I'm left in the dust. So, yo, how did the world, how did the world, outside of your family, outside of your friends,

outside of your foundation, how did the world accept you with regards to jobs, with regards to, you know, just society, adapting to society, or them adapting to you? Okay. Good question. Everybody that know me knew of my situation. Outside them adapting to you. Okay. Good question. Everybody that know me knew of my situation. Outside of them. That's what I'm saying. Outside of your foundation.

Outside of Ghost, outside of Shia. The world. When you step out and these white people looking at you like you a felon. Or the new young niggas. Like anybody. That's a fact. That's a fact. It's definitely different.

But for me, you know, I always worked with Ghost. So I was fortunate in that sense. To come home to that. I didn't have to sit in front of him, fill out a job application and say, yo, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That's a blessing, yo. Thank God. That's a year for love. My nigga, that's a year for love.

That's a blessing. You feel what I'm saying? So that's never my problem right there. But I think that I would have articulated myself very uniquely in front of them anyway. Well, I would have got a chance because I'm determined. But that's never my issue, right? But as far as

the way people view me and look at me, when they... I know females when they first see me, like, nigga, I know you did that. Like, they just stereotype me

off top. I'm like, yo, until they speak to me and they get to see, like, yo, this is a nice dude. You know what I'm saying? You feel a light-skinnedness? Yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? You feel a light skin? Yeah, i mean you feel a light skin yeah i'm with you buddy you feel like all right look dog i'm a guy i would have got up in corporate america tell me the girl tell me the girl i would have finessed them just tell me the girl that looked at you and said nah you did it you committed the murder no i'm talking about the other part yo you know how to articulate. Oh, that's why. Okay. But even as he say it, like, I'm joking with you, but as he say it, I'm looking at him. You ain't doing it. I don't feel like that.

Look at this nigga's taper and he's shaved his pants. Are you looking at me now? You got to look at when I first came out. Well, how'd you look when you first came out? I was probably a little more bigger. But it's just, you know what it is? When we come out of prison, I see dudes that come on, I be looking, I say, damn, I had that same look.

You could just look in their eyes, or you could look at the structure, and it's just different. Yeah. You could tell that they're here, but they like, I'm always on guard. I can't, like I'm a crowd around me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want to do shit. So it's always like, ah, boom. Like, go see. He's like, like I'm always on guard. Like I can't, like I'm a crowd around me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I want to do shit, so it's always like, like Ghost, he's like, yo, come on the stage.

I stood there for a little while. My first one to the show. Nah. Yo, buddy, I'm out. No, sir. You do ice cream without me. I was like, nah, yo, I got to do the back. I'm going to keep my back on this wall.

I'm good right over here. And half of them, I don't even know who the fuck they are. Because everybody, I ain't changed much. They're happy to see you. Not just that, you was 25. Nigga might have been 12 looking up to you. And they remember you. Even if you don't know him, the story has grown.

If you got love for either of these niggas, then that has... It's a million reasons why that could have came about. But that's hard, though. Yo, listen. I came out here. I tell everybody. I say it's easy out here. It's hard in there.

I'm saying for me. I'm saying for me because now I have the power to do what I want to do. You feel what I'm saying for me. I'm saying for me because... It's easy. I'm saying for me because now I have the power to do what I want to do. Right. You feel what I'm saying? And then you don't have that. You don't have that. Everything is whatever you need.

A package, you need soap to wash your ass. You got to get on the phone and call home, yo, can you send me money in order to buy that soap? You feel what I'm saying? It's a business in there. So it's different. So I always... That's why I said prison kills your self-esteem.

That's the thing that's always been shocking to me about when my homies went in and came back and told me stories is like capitalism is still very prevalent in there. The same way it is out here. That's right. Dog. You know what I'm saying? The people that got money in there are much better off than the people that don't have shit. In New Jersey, right? Yeah.

The governor, the old governor, Christy Whitman. Yeah. Her husband Was the The nigga that you buy All the clothes from In canteen It was his company The governor

Of the state of New Jersey Cause you can't wear Your own shit no more Right So when you buy The Walmart Nikes The cold Nikes and shit You buying them

From the governor's husband With a little markup. Think about that, my nigga. They selling the cold Nikes that you could buy for $45 for $140, $150. The gray sweats with the no pockets? They selling them for $35

and $40. The hang joints that cost you nine beans. And that's the governor's husband. That's the governor of the state's husband getting grant money and state money to do that. I don't want to be like. These be the billionaire niggas behind closed doors doing all the legislation to send more niggas to jail because I eat more. Yeah, 100%. 100%.

And that's the system right there. I don't want to be that guy. There's an incentive to keep sending when a case like yours come across. No. He's guilty. And send him up for the long haul

because there's an incentive there. There's money. I make more money off of it. We need another jail. We got to pack this one to show a need for another one. That's a fact. Think about that, dog.

That's a fact. That's sick. We can't ask for another jail unless this one is overcrowded. The jail has to be at a certain capacity. Correct. There's an actual contract. No. We another jail unless this one is overcrowded. The jail has to be at a certain capacity. Correct. There's an actual contract.

No, we ought to make this one overcrowded on purpose because we just bought a lot of land over here. So we got to show that we got a need for a new prison. If this one only hold 2,500 motherfuckers, we got to have 2,700 to have them sleeping under cots in the lobby so that now we could go before the board and get a new prison. That's crazy, son. that's just how that worked that's insane that's just a big business you know i the biggest business i keep trying to like because i'm imagining i'm imagining grant's story and i keep trying to ask all of these different questions and the thing that is consistent for me that I hear and I see in you is no matter all the hardship I bring up, there's no deterrence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't hear that?

A strong type of, yeah. I keep saying, all right, well, what about when the judge first said it? All right, what about when he brought the jury in? All right, what about your lawyer? Because like you said, that's not going to be the end of my story. Your first week there. Hey, listen, right? What about when you didn't see a kid sam you said all right what

about you said you cried once i keep throwing i've cried 90 times asking him questions and he keeps saying nah nah nigga it's cool now i worked it out gotta be strong i'm like he wasn't gonna let that be a story hey look no listen i got a lot of pain in me right but you know what like this is one thing i realized about people like i didn't know i He said he wasn't going to let that be his story. Hey, look. No, listen. I got a lot of pain in me, right? But you know what? Like, this is one thing I realized about people. Like, I didn't know. I didn't realize.

I don't know no other way to be. I was never really too much of a really emotional type of guy from the start. You follow what I'm saying? So, it's like, even when brothers call me, they be like, your aunt, one thing about you, you was never down. You was like, you knew this shit was going to happen. That's the most impressive feat to me. I woke up the next day, I had the press conference in front of the court and everything,

and you know what was the best feeling in the world? I felt free. I looked at the daily news and seen me and my son. Front page. You know what I'm saying? It was like, that was good for me. And then my lawyer called me, and he said, listen, Williams, you know, I had a lot of cases, you know.

This case here is the highlight. And he says, because of you, you're very inspirational. You feel what I'm saying? I feel that. No, I'm going to keep it a secret. I feel that. How did you eventually get free? Well, they had me go to the parole board and then the da and

wrote to the board yo we opened up this case and then they let me out because i went before and they said nah two years they said come back before it's in two years i'm sure you must have went a couple times you must have went a couple times no yeah i went then and then i went in 90 days and then i went two years and it was like nah so i'm in the parole board because they want you to show remorse yeah for the for the for like the crime this is a whole different nah, so I'm in the parole board because they want you to show remorse for the crime. This is a whole different thing here. So I'm like, I'm not, because it's public information.

Rob Markman, Jr.: How do you show remorse if you didn't do it? Rob Markman, Jr.: Hey, look here. You see what I'm telling you? It's the same thing I was telling them. I didn't do it. I said, I presented the evidence I had that was actually inside the courts. And I said, I pushed it because you got to give it to them early so they could read it. And they was just sitting there looking at me like, and they said, you didn't do it.

And I'm like, no, I didn't do it. You know, they said, so why you seem so much in good spirits? Like, you know, why are you being bitter? That's what I still can't understand personally. I said, because I have faith. This shit is so fucking disturbing. You follow what I'm saying? This is twisted, bro.

And I believe the truth is going to come. And they said, you're an amazing person. Yeah. I would believe anything y'all saying. Bam, I'd have been broke already.

I said, yo, I didn't do it. And they looked at the evidence in front of them and they was flabbergasted me and they was shocked like, oh, snap. Like, this is real. We should have looked at this

20 years ago. Yeah, yeah. You got to feel on a parole board like, yo, I work for some animals Like this is some bullshit I'm a part of this You know what I'm saying

You like I'm a part of this I'm a part of keeping A man's freedom away From him and his family Now there's two kids That got records They in the system God knows what

They done been through And what they wouldn't Have went through Had he been home You asking for people To have a soul issue I ain't gotta feel like that If nine out of ten

Of the niggas I come across Is guilty Nah you do still to feel like that if nine out of ten of the niggas I come across is guilty. Nah, you do still got to feel like that. No, you don't. No, you don't. That one matters. That's not true.

No, you don't. We're not asking people to have a soul issue. We're not agreeing to disagree. We agree. We talking about them. Yeah, we talking about them. This is just another day

at work for them. Yeah, that's a fact. Them niggas don't believe I'm not getting invested in coming from them. Yeah, they're not getting invested in none of this It's another case

It was a black lady On the first one I had this One of the worst commissioners They got commissioners What they call commissioners They actually sent Three of them

And I had the worst one He was a cop He was an ex-cop He was talking to me like Wait a minute You ain't tell me You ain't shoot this dude You ain't murder this dude

You shot him five times Now I'm listening to them Tell a story about Somebody else You ain't even know You know it ain't murder this dude. You shot him five times. Now, I'm listening to them tell a story about somebody else. You ain't even know. You know it's not you. Yeah. So I said, listen. And I convinced him.

Like, it wasn't me. He said, listen. If you get a letter from the DA's office in 90 days, we'll reconsider your release. I got the letter from the DA's office. They said yes. I went back to the parole board. Totally different people. Black lady. Terrible. I said, you know went back to the parole board. Totally different people. Black lady.

Terrible. I said, you know, I got the reconsideration. She said, listen, listen, listen. Williams, I don't want to hear none of that. You're convicted right now. That's court information. Do you want to proceed with this proceeding? I can adjourn it. I said, yeah, go ahead. Let's proceed. I already knew she was going to end with two years.

She said, okay, well, you caught this guy. I said, well, I did college Let's proceed. I already knew she was going to hit me with two years. She said, okay, well, you caught this guy. I said, well, I did college. I got my degrees. I explained everything to her because, you know, I was educating myself. He went to college while he was locked up. I was just about to say, yo, fam, I'm going to keep it a buck with you. You way more well-spoken than niggas that have been out here for 40 years, yo. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

No bullshit. So I expressed that to them, and she said, okay, good luck. Yeah, good fuck up. I already knew what time it was. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. To them,

to them saying that two years is 10 minutes. Two years is a long time, man. To them. Hell yeah. That's what I'm saying, to them. Two years before you can come back, and it might not be me sitting here.

I might be on vacation somewhere. No, it's definitely not her sitting there no more. It's different commissioners. That's what would really frustrate me. Like, it's definitely not her sitting there no more. It's different commissioners. That's what would really frustrate me. You figure over the course of 25 years,

I'm looking to see someone with some familiarity to my case. Somebody that may be seeing me sad last time. Man, even if you do, Joe, they see so many people, you're a number.

Yeah, that's right. You're not a case to them. There's no personal attachment. No matter how you felt, okay, you're a number. Yeah, that's right. You're not a case to them. You're not a, there's no personal attachment. No matter how you felt, okay, you're a number, whatever, whatever. Yeah, yeah, okay. Here's the facts.

All right, next. Sam, your case might have got on they desk that morning. They glanced through it like, oh. Absolutely right. So tell me about, so tell me about your last day.

What, in the jail? I knew I was about to get out. You knew you was about to get out you knew you was about to get out oh now you flipping the bird but i was like this oh man they said you ain't taking everything everybody i don't want nothing you know a lot of property shit like yo i was up they had 20 years of property hey these pants are yours i'm not gonna bring these hey yo the illest shit was I was in the Maxxis for like decades. So I never went to a medium.

So they was like, man, they going to put you in a medium. Even that. Now, listen, I want y'all to picture this, right? Decades. You got this bottle, right? You know, and it's a wall. Shot, shot, shot. You know.

I ain't even going nobody. It's a wall around you. So you don't see the cars. You don't see shit. All you look up, you see is that fucking wall. Excuse my language, y'all. No, no, no. You're good. So you don't see the cars. You don't see shit. All you look up you see is that fucking wall. Excuse my language y'all. No, no, no. You're good.

But you see that wall. Right? Picture being like that for two and a half decades. You see what I'm saying? You don't see nothing. So now they take me out of that environment

where it's hostile and then they drop my classification and they put me in a medium. Now a medium is medium like they got a fence they got people medium. Now, a medium is medium. Like, they got a fence. You can see the sun.

Yeah, so I'm fucked up. So, now, I come, right? So, I go in the reception part. I'm there. I'm on dudes like your own. What up? I'm just ignoring them. All right, what up?

So, now, I got my bag. I'm looking at the COs look good. Now, ain't no more. I'm looking at black. You know, I'm like, because I went to a hood kill. You know what I'm doing, right? First kill. So I'm like, oh, they got black COs.

Man, she's looking nice, right? So, you know, I'm not going to talk because, you know, they be on some bullshit up north. So I'm just looking, right? Then this song came on. I just seen Freedom. That boot up song by LMA. Hey.

Hey. Let me see if I got it for you I just was like yo that shit I was like yo I'm going home yo that's funny

uh oh you put that on we gonna be dancing I said yo yo hey hold on hey

hey that shit always gonna hit that yo that's hard for your record oh shit he fucking niggas up there yo that is That shit always gonna hit different. That shit always gonna hit different. That's over your record. These fucking niggas up there.

Yo, that is so funny, this being your release record. That shit always gonna hit different. Then I heard that song. Then it was like I was walking off the complex. People was walking. I was like, damn, I'm gonna make it out of here soon. You know what I'm saying? You feel it. It's real, man. It's real, man. It's walking fast. I don't want these niggas to take this back. I get saying? You feel it. It's real now. It's real now.

You was walking fast. Like, I don't want these niggas to take this back. I get to the gate. I've seen too many movies. You get to the gate, nigga be like,

nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Nah, nah, check it out. So on my last day, right, you can't run up and down a complex. Let's say we all, yo, yo, yo, what you gonna do

when you get out? I said, watch what the fuck I do. I'm gonna run down that damn complex. You have to shoot me. I said, yo, are you bugging? I said, watch. They call me, I said watch what the fuck I do I'm gonna run down that damn I said watch They call me I said listen

Is it time for me to go Yes sir what's up I've been waiting here It's 8 in the morning I'm like yo what's going on I wanna leave you know They said when You gonna go when they call

Walkways and programs When everybody go right I said yeah alright Carried that fucking Legal work I had And I ran down the The walkway like a mile. They was like,

hey, asshole, stop running. No, no. No, nigga, out. I ignored them. I ran. They said, hey, asshole, we're going to lock you up. Yeah, right.

And I ran and I ran. Everybody was in the windows laughing like, yo, hon, and that was the end of that. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Nah, we got to turn booed up up now. Hey.

Yo, it's so appropriate to me that this was the song. This shit sound like hope is at the end of the tunnel. Oh, shit. It do, right? Nah, it do. Yo, that's amazing, man. That is amazing. Nah, that's even doper that you amazing man That is amazing Nah that's Nah that's even doper

That you came home to A job Yeah Some family You know what I'm saying Like again I'm sure even when you was locked up Again I don't really be

Big on the hope shit But When you was locked up The fact that you know Your people's out here Moving and shaking And you gonna come home To something

Like they ain't fuck niggas. They here. They not fuck niggas. They here with you today. And your peoples ain't forget you. You know what I'm saying? Like,

your peoples is right there with you. And not for nothing, I don't be counting no other man pockets, but I'm sure they, they aight. I'm sure they aight.

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure he was looking aight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little icy. I'm saying that, you know, some niggas don't even

come home to that, for real. Nah, for real. Some people come home to just them. little icy. I'm saying that, you know, some niggas don't even come home to that, for real. No, for real. Some people come home to just them. That's what I'm saying. Everybody forgot them. Oh, please, man. This nigga came home to Wu-Tang Docs. Yeah.

Church A-Legos. He came home to mad shit. He had catching up to do when he came home. Nah, again, that's a blessing. And I'm sure you can't wait. Like, you talking to Ghost. Let's say you talk to Ghost once every six home. Nah, that's, again, that's a blessing. And I'm sure you can't wait. Like, you talking to ghosts. Let's say you talk to ghosts once every six months. Fuck it, right?

To keep you alive, I don't know if y'all did this, because this might be even more depressing. But yo, what you been doing? How you doing? I'm good. I just came from. Even that. Bro, you putting pictures on your walls like this when y'all was at? Word.

I can't wait. I can't wait. Like, y'all was at? Word. I can't wait. I can't wait. Like, you like, I can't wait. I can't wait. That's an inspiration in itself. That's a motivation in itself. It's like every whole verse that you've ever heard. Get the fuck out of here and stay alive.

You know what I'm saying? Emery. What he be talking about? All he want to do is hear his man talk fly. Right. That's it. That's it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's an inspiration. Like, I'm going to get, y'all niggas ain't going to kill me in here. Word. I'm getting out, getting this good box. My man traveling to every country. What? I was happy for him, too. That's the other pussy, though.

I'm getting that other pussy overseas. That part. But see, listen to that. For me, even that speaks to the no deterrence that I hear in you. It's all happiness. I was happy for my brother. That's real. In a hole or in them walls,

you might have had to deal with that hate. That's true, too. If it's there. No, I'm sure. Not hate for your man, of course, but hate I ain't there. Hate that this is happening without me. Even that, for that to get blocked out, man.

Yeah. This guy is... No, you're different. No, that's Yeah. This guy. Nah, you different. Nah, that's what I'm saying. No, you different. I was happy for all of them. I was like, all right, because I was there, so I know. You know what I'm saying?

No, the fact that you was there make it harder. I just never watched awards, though. You hear me? That would stress me out, like watching the TV awards. They were like, I'm not watching that shit. Because I know that. I'm like, nah, that shit stressed me out. But when I see the video, I'm like, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? What the fuck I'm talking about? You bragging and shit? Yeah. Yeah, word. Yo, you know that shit stressed me out. But when I see the video, I'm like, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You bragging and shit? Yeah. Yeah, word. Yo, you know, brothers is moving on. And you might have had a hard time in there if these niggas was ass. Like, they was them niggas. They was them niggas, so everything was cool.

I'm never going to have a hard time. You feel me? I'm a man. Be clear. I'm never gonna have a hard time you feel me I'm a man be clear whether they was ass or not nigga I'm good here that's it nah that's real

so now freedom we out actually no before I get to that you mentioned around 01 02

laws started changing they started coming up with different cliques and just non-profit people to help, right? Me as a DACA guy, huge DACA guy, inside, did you feel that play

any part in change in social climate? Like, I talk a lot here about the world becoming more sensitive with these kids and just things that they won't accept anymore.

And these docs are coming out about wrongful convictions in jail. Did you feel the world change out there with like what they were paying attention to? Yes, yes, yes. I did because what happened is you got violent crimes and you got nonviolent crimes, right? And the nonviolent crimes, remember the Rockefeller lawsuit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in jail, you know, and that was around, I think that was around the time when them buildings fell. So I've been in there for a lot.

So when I seen that, we used to be like, yo, but how about for the violent? So then when I seen them grabbing the violent bills and passing them, and I seen people advocating for people that's, you know, they got violent crimes, they got innocent. Then I seen the whole world changing for us socially, speaking about it, recognizing it. And once you do that, that's when change is going to come about. So, yeah, I seen that. Your day now, free, starts how? Like your first thought in the mornings.

For me, I used to be depressed. So every morning that I wake up, I'd just be happy to wake up. That's a fact. I'd be like, oh, we got another one. We back at it. All right, rising star. Yeah, yeah. I'm a happy man these days.

Is it strange at all? Is it weird? Do you ever wake up like, oh, shit, I'm out here. I still have prison dreams. I bet. Like the other day I woke up, I was like, oh, shit, I told them. I said, yo. I still have prison dreams. I bet. Like the other day I woke up. I was like, oh shit. I told them.

I said, yo, I just had a dream. I was back in. I've been having dreams. But this time when I was in there, after I got exonerated on TV, it was like I was in there and they was like, yo, I just got exonerated. Everybody was happy. Because I always left good energy in there. You feel what I'm saying?

So they was like, yo, uncle. Because they called 10 years old time. Yo, uncle, you're out. But I was dead. And they was like, yo, uncle, because they called 10 years old time. Yo, uncle, you're out. But I was dead. It's like, yo, what you doing in there? I said, nah, I'm just, you know, coming to check. I said, I don't know what I'm doing in here. You know, I'm dreaming.

You know what I'm saying? But it was never like I knew I was stuck in there still. Like ever since I got exonerated. Before that, I'm like, damn, I'm back in jail. I'm in the yard. We about to go at it again. You know, it's always the get up, count, whatever, whatever, you know? And, you know, I guess I have them

for the rest of my life because that's the mental scars physical scars hell up and all that shit but the mental scars is the one that can damage anybody whether you're incarcerated

whether you're free if you're dealing with some type of mental scars and you start dealing with depression you gotta find yourself you gotta dig in yourself and find what's causing

this to happen it's like I said on TV right the problem is people deal with the leaves they don't go to the root find yourself. You got to dig in yourself and find what's causing this to happen. It's like I said on TV, right? The problem is people deal with the leaves. They don't go to the root. You see what I'm saying? When you start digging in the root of things, life will be more better. Things will be more understandable.

It was deep. So, you don't have to answer this because shit is probably in the works, but a doc, I'm sure your phone is off the hook for sure

I'm sure people are blowing it up this was my first interview right here alright hey talk talk appreciate

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We're going to put that out. Make sure that message is felt. No, listen. First of all, I appreciate that. Thank you. I'm glad you came. This is, I'm blown away. I'm blown away.

I'm so blown away. I didn't even ask you half of the shit that I want to ask. Because this story is just. It's crazy. I can't imagine. I ain't even asked you half of this shit that I want to ask because this story is just... It's crazy. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine it. I can't picture it. Thank God you're home. I'm happy for you. I'm happy for your kids. I'm happy for Ghost, Shy,

Staten Island. I got a question for you. If they were to let you out, right? Yeah. On your parole hearing and you had not gotten exonerated, quote unquote, you would have been done, right? Nah.

Oh, okay. Because I got paroled and I wasn't exonerated. Oh, so you got paroled and you wasn't exonerated. Nah, I still was like, yo, what's going on? Oh, so your exoneration came after

and then COVID hit. Remember COVID hit? Yeah. It still hit. Remember COVID hit? It still hit. Yeah, that shit, Delta is here now. But it was different, fam.

Yeah, you know, so I got out right around that time. Wait, were you in while COVID was... No, no, no, no. I got out right around that time. So that stopped my proceedings of me having that press.

But you know something? Everything happened for a reason in time. You know what I mean? Because if I would have had it when I first came out, my energy would have been different. You follow what I mean? Because if I would have had it when I first came out, my energy would have been different. You follow what I'm saying?

Yeah. My whole energy, my vibe would have been different. It would have been more on the serious note to where I always keep a sense of humor when I'm telling these stories and I stay away from areas

that's going to bring tears to my eyes right now. You know, but I'm definitely going to tell a story. It's going to be a whole, it's going to be emotional, it's going to be funny, but it's real and it's something that happened. You. But I'm definitely going to tell a story. It's going to be emotional. It's going to be funny, but it's real. And it's something that happened.

You know what I'm saying? The exonerated part, is that for us or him? I don't feel like that's for him. It's important for him. It's important to him. It's for both, yo. It's for both. You know why? It's also for me because what you don't know, right?

I made history on Staten Island. I was the first ever to be exonerated, ever on Staten Island. And not only that, I got it under a law called actual innocence, which they don't give. It was one person, Derrick Hamilton Bush, he got it. So it's like me and his case. My case has way more flaws than his. So it opens the door for brothers that's still inside. And that's why I think you're saying this.

It's the precedent so now they can go back case law and that never happened case law you follow what I'm saying so it's just usually just looking at the

exoneration on TV but when you look into the law they didn't give it to me after the injuries and justice are dismissed they gave it to me under actual innocence something they'd never do

you follow what I'm saying nah that's dope and that could affect a lot of brothers oh it is it opens the doors for a lot of people You know what I'm saying? No, that's dope. And that could affect a lot of brothers. Oh, it is. It opens your doors for a lot of people. That's what I'm grateful for. I have one question.

Do you have any advice for loved ones of people who are incarcerated? How you can help while they're in and when they first get home? Great question. Yes, yes. I believe, you know, if you have loved ones that's incarcerated,

you know, you should communicate with them because lack of communication just causes confusion when somebody's in there and they don't hear from their family their loved ones they start thinking yo what happened did they get shot did they get killed did they you know something happen to them and then you start thinking all these thoughts you know what I'm saying so communication

is key and if you could be supportive financially which that's not always the case, it's key. How much, how much financially? I mean, I guess everything counts,

but like how much does money stretch in? Well, money to me, money helps, but the communication, just hearing the voice is priceless. Like, cause you know,

my, you know, you know, unfortunately my pops died when I was in there. So I didn't have that communication with him. So next thing I know, they said, yo, Williams, we're sorry to tell you, the Reverend coming to say your father died. My father was in and out of my life, so it wasn't too much of an emotional response for me.

I would love to see him now. He was here today, but unfortunately he's not. So it saddens me when I think about it now, and as a myself. I say, damn, my motherfucking pop's in here, you know? So when you're dealing with a loved one in prison, you know, the communication, because you never know when you're going to go. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know, nobody's living forever these days.

I came out here, and a lot of people die. I'm like, oh, you know? In prison and everything. So then when you come home- You got to deal with that as you come home. Like, bullshit niggas is dying. That's right. Yeah. And then when you come home, you know, to deal with that as you come home. Like, bullshit niggas is dying. That's right, yeah. And then when you come home, you know,

everybody's not placed in the same situation to have somebody there for them. So now you got to try to get a job. And then when you get denied, you know, you just got to stand by your loved ones as much as possible, you know? You know, I kind of understand what you mean by that. I had a cousin that was incarcerated a couple years back.

And, like, everybody kind of lost contact with him for a while. what you mean by that. I had a cousin that was incarcerated a couple years back and like everybody kind of lost touch, lost contact with him for a while. And I was there with his sister when she had to let him know

his mom's passed. And I never heard a grown man scream like that on the phone. Like that was different. Like it was just, she had to relay

that news to him. And it was somewhere everybody haven't, you know, ain't really. And then he come home, and shit was different. Nah, that shit bad enough. Imagine, you can't touch him. You can't hug him. You can't. And they be assholes, won't let you go to the funeral.

Yeah, they didn't let him go. Yeah, like, you can't come. Huh? They didn't let him out. That'd be the other shit. They didn't let me go neither. My pastor's father. I was going to ask, but you can't come on. Huh? They didn't let him out. That'd be the other shit. They didn't let me go neither. I'll pause this follow. I was going to ask, but I didn't.

No, I'm just saying, like, they don't. Nigga, you're a piece of shit. You don't matter to them. That's some real shit. All right, let me try to get this back to a happy place. No, no, no, we good. I'm sorry about that. Favorite food currently now that you're out That you might have missed As you were eating

That bullshit in there I don't know man You know I like I just don't eat beef and pork Anything other than that Is good to me You know

Not to me It's bad foods But you know You know I'm with the fish Yeah fish Seafood Turkey burgers

You know I mean when I came home I said Yo you know what I want I want some Chinese food That greasy chicken And broccoli You know what I'm saying I said yo you know what I want I want some Chinese food That greasy chicken and broccoli You know what I'm saying I said that the other day

I had that yesterday I want some I ate that That shit ran right through me Yeah I said I can't That part Yes

It ran right through me Nobody ain't used to that shit Shit trash Yeah No that's crazy That was one of my good foods Yo Tell them right Starks

Yeah You was 25 You ain't know no better This is that was one of my good foods you telling Rice Stocks you was 25 you ain't know no better I'm blown away man I appreciate you thank you I'm sure some other niggas will be beating you down for interview because it's such a compelling fascinating

and intriguing story but wait I feel like is there anything that we might have missed that we need to get out is there a website is there a website is there a website mrgrantwilliams.com

let's get that out right mrgrantwilliams.com all of that th underscore real underscore you know r-e-a-l underscore big underscore u-n-n yo n underscore, big underscore, you ain't un. Yo, niggas that come home is going to put some underscores in there.

They can put five of them in there. Yo, Shaheen, go. Come on, man. Hey, no, check it out, right? I didn't know how to say it. And it was like I was just trying to put the real big under. I know. Just say underscore every time I did it under every letter. I'm like I was just trying to put the real big under underscore every time I did it

under every letter I'm like I know I put an underscore there and every time I tell somebody that Instagram they're like damn there's some other uns

that feel they're real I guess underscore real underscore big underscore you ain't un you know that's it and that's that on that man listen

I I I gotta ask you how you doing you here shy I to ask you how you doing. You here. Shy, I got to ask you how you doing. You here. Like, y'all are here.

Nah, man. Come on, man. I'll move. You niggas is GOATs and legends. Listen, nah, man. One of y'all got to move. Come here. Nah, man.

Ghost, don't do that. You're in our top ten. Don't do that. Don't do that. It's not acceptable. It's not acceptable. Come on. Ice move.

Let Ghost sit right there for a second, man. Just one second. Only one second. We don't want nothing. We don't want nothing. We already know you hate these cameras and interviews and shit. We know. See, now this is what it's supposed to feel like.

This is what, yeah, and this is what it feel like. Yeah, it's what I need. Now, Grant, Shy, Ghost, Ian, don't you never let this happen again where I don't know that this is the situation. Shy, don't just come here. I was out there smoking. I came out.

I ain't, I don't be looking niggas in the face. I just gave niggas the fist and it's you and Ghost standing there. How are you? I'm great, my brother. You know what I'm saying? You know how I am, man. I just don't push up. You know what I'm saying? We go way, way back. So I just

did what I always do when I see you. What's up, baby? And you know what it was? The beard. You probably ain't recognize the beard and all that. So it took you a second, you know what I mean, to I see you. What's up, baby? And you know what it was? The beard. You probably ain't recognized the beard and all that, so it took you a second, you know what I mean, to recognize me. But yo, love is love always, Joe.

Thank you. Good to see you. You know I love you. Likewise, brother. And thank you for, you know, you know what I'm saying, giving my cousin your platform

and bringing awareness of his story out there as well as the big ghost Dini in the building. Well, no doubt. Ghost, right. Yeah, baby. You're my favorite rapper ever, man.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got a fanboy out, man. You are number one, bro. Yo, and he not lying, though. Yeah, I'm not lying. He ain't lying. No, he's for real.

He's for real. I respect that. I respect that. Ghost, we just honored to have you down here, man. Yo, listen. I'm just chilling. I'm chilling. It's good to see you, though. That's it. I respect that. Ghost, we just honored to have you down here, man. No, yo, listen. I'm just chilling. I'm chilling.

It's good to see you, though. That's it. Always. Always. Always. It was crazy because they walk in, I'm zapping everybody up, and he had the mask on. So he's Ghost. Nah.

This ain't power. This ain't power. Yeah, yeah. Nah. Nah, Ghost slimmed down a little bit. All these niggas in great shape. I gave a power set piece and went outside to smoke. I came back and that's Ghostface.

I'm like, oh shit. Now listen, Ghost, I know you hate these interview niggas, so I don't even have no questions for you. But one, but one, but one, but one. Not too long ago, I was surfing the net and somebody played a Ghostface version of, I want to say Leave the Door Open by Silk Sonic. Which is how the record

should be. That's how the record should sound. That's how it should go. If we know you, that's your bag. And you killed it. And we don't have it yet. Right. Oh, I'll get that to you. Yeah, I need that. See, that exists. I don't know why that didn't come out 24 hours

after it was done. We need that. Say less. That's all I got for Ghost. I'm shutting up. That's all I got. Shy, Grant, Ghost, thank y'all. We love y'all. We appreciate

you. I'm waiting for the doc. I ain't mean to say he was going to have a hard time in there. Your round of applause, man. We got legends and goats in here. It's legend and goat day. Grant Williams, if you're unfamiliar,

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