The Johnny Salami Podcast - Erik Travers

Episode Date: April 22, 2020

On this episode of the podcast, I chat with former division 1 wrestler Erik Travers to discuss wrestling, personal training, and work ethic.

going on everyone welcome to another episode of the johnny slimy podcast uh if you don't know already you can access the podcast through spotify youtube and soundcloud uh you know feel free to like share subscribe uh with that said today's guest eric travers thanks for being here man thank you it's good to see you yeah another person i haven't seen in like five or six years so that's like a common theme with this um but first off how are you. It's good to see you. Yeah. Another person I haven't seen in like five or six years. So that's like a common theme with this. Um, but first off, how are you, man? I'm good. You know, just, uh, went to school in Illinois. So I was gone for about five, six years. Um, and yeah, man's come back working and just trying to open up a gym. So I was looking up, uh, on Reddit last night, what it's like to be a Division I wrestler,

and I couldn't really figure it out. But you wrestled Division I, right? Correct. Was it Southern Illinois? It was. So what's that like? Walk me through that, just like Division I sports in general. Obviously, Cumberland has always been like a powerhouse wrestling school.

So we were always wrestling at a high level. But when you think you're at the highest level, there's always a higher level. And college really opened me up to that. And, I mean, I always wrestled on a national level even in high school. But we didn't practice or have the competition that we did in the wrestling room we did in college 24-7. So it took me a while to adapt because i had four surgeries in five years so i didn't wrestle too much as it was anyway um but yeah man it was it was tough it was a grind uh that's the one thing that separates the kids from the midwest

and the uh like pennsylvania and new jersey is they're used to the grind and the high level of coaching they have that we don't um that's the big difference when you have division one national um champions and all americans is a big difference when those are your coaches so those are like pennsylvania and new jersey like the powerhouses uh yeah always usually they're always one and two ohio illinois and uh what's a little bit california because the state's so big but um yeah definitely pennsylvania new jersey is always bigger ones yeah so you think it's like a huge geographical difference? Oh, big time. I mean, that's kind of how it is with most sports, though.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. What was it like day-to-day, though? Because even like, I mean, I went to Johnson and Wales, and they were Division III, but even some of the wrestlers there, it seemed like they had a lot on their plate. Yeah, I mean, the one thing that a lot of students, especially like at a big not we're not a big division we're a medium division one school um we had about 16,000 students um we get a lot of smoke for uh what we're given and basically think that we're just we can do anything we want which is not the case because we're always on a pedestal basically like

if we get in trouble we get in big trouble possibly kick that school faster than a regular student could yeah um but i would like on a monday i would have uh we have 6 a.m lift and then i'd have an individual practice after right after the lift and then after that we have practice at 3 30 and then prior to that you either got to study go to class do homework and then after practice you got to go do study table hours for your freshman year at least until you get even if you have like a 4.0 gpa they you have to do um study table hours and then the following semester you can get out so there's there's a lot to do a lot of community service um basically anything with like presenting to school the athletes always got to be there um and i was the captain of the team so like there's just more i had to do as well so yeah what kind of what injuries did you have though i had four shoulder surgeries

it was all on your shoulder oh shit because you injured that like in high school right yeah my first one was in high school then i had three more in college and then i broke my wrist i had four concussions and then uh i tore my ankle as well what was wrong with it like your shoulders keep popping out like what was it exactly? I think just instability, honestly, because I would always come back too fast from surgery. And, I mean, just how my body was built. I mean, so unfortunately, it just wasn't meant to be for me.

You should fucking gait it, though. Yeah, I try. I remember, what happened, like, when you were, like, transitioning to football, though? Because I remember, like, someone told me, like like you were going to play college football and then like I didn't really know how you felt about wrestling like I always knew you were gay but like no but like I someone was like yeah Eric's gonna play like college football and I was like oh that's pretty cool yeah so I was actually recruited by a couple division three division

two schools because I didn't play that long in high school to really get recognized to do that much that much because uh when we played we had a powerhouse team and we played half half games so like our stats didn't really um show like what we can do and i mean i wasn't a mitch baxter like a trend where like they've been in football and like they were their names are known i was started my junior year and senior and that was it yeah um do you like it more though i liked them both honestly i did not want to wrestle in college um because i didn't have the love for it in high school because i just wanted to play football and i was big and competing for powerlifting and was did that professionally as well so that was another avenue um but um yeah i just i got hurt i had that surgery um out of high school and took a year off of sports because my shoulder just wasn't ready.

And they weren't giving me as much money to the school I was going to go to. And I knew I could still wrestle Division I. I called back every wrestling school and they all denied me because I never took their recruiting trip because I said, fuck wrestling. And then finally, my coach, Colin Smith, he knew my head coach and gave him a call, sent him a video, won a couple D3 tournaments, open tournaments. And he's like, oh, yeah. He's like, you're ready. Jesus, man. That must have been crazy, dude.

Yeah. Even just getting in to the same room as a D1 wrestler, man. Yeah. I mean, it was good good like i said we my wrestling club northeast elite when i was younger we had a lot of high level wrestlers like you know the twins shine chanel yeah um they were both um shy was supposed to be a big division one guy school just didn't work out for him and same thing with chanel um and then we had other guys that were like junior national champs junior world champs that were at that club when i was starting that

club so we uh we wrestled pretty well at high level so i was i was kind of used to it and like just like the grind i was like always just you know just mentally tough so yeah dude shy used to come to a bunch of my shows did i didn't even know who he was oh okay yeah like i had never met him before and then like one show i saw him and i was like oh you look familiar man he liked he told me he liked me and stuff and i was like what are you doing here man he's like oh i just like comedy i was like are you sure it was shy or chanel there's two of them yeah i'm pretty sure it's shy yeah yeah because he lives because i work with him and uh it's close to boston yeah he works on the train station no that's chanel that's chanel that's chanel yeah fuck dude i

fucked him up hopefully not watching dude chanel's the gay one He probably likes you because he saw you slaughtering me, dude. Oh, really? Yeah. Dude, I got to hit him up. That's right. I got to get in touch again. A little pee-pee touch don't hurt. So what is Chanel?

What is Chanel? It is Chanel, though? Yes. It is Chanel. He works with the railroad, and then Shai works with me. He's a trainer in a gym near Boston. Really? Mm-hmm.

Who's the one who used to go out to like Hawaii and stuff to visit like... Chenille, Gwen. To visit Gwen. Yeah, so it was Chey then. Chenille. No, Chenille, no.

No, it was Chenille. Oh, dude, no. Now that I think about it, it's because... No, it is Chey. I was right because Chey told me that Chenille works on the...

Oh, okay, okay. Okay, now I remember. There you go. No, it was definitely Chey. Yeah, tomato, banana, same thing, right? Yeah. I mean, the fucking... The twins, so it's like... works on oh okay okay now now i remember yeah yeah i was definitely shy yeah tomato banana same thing yeah i mean the fucking the twins so it's like and i don't know them that well but yeah dude i remember seeing him at a comedy show and he was like yeah like your stuff man and i was like oh cool man like what are you doing here he's like i just love comedy it's like that's fucking

awesome man like but yeah i remember like i don't know i just like i always knew like wrestlers were like, not somebody you wanted to fuck with. So like, whenever I saw them, I was just like, yeah, I'm not going to like say anything. Like, not that I would say anything anyway, but like, I'd probably cry. I mean, it's not bad. I mean, everyone has that assumption that like, that's the thing, especially when you get to like higher level wrestling. I mean, yes, like you're mentally tougher, but just because you wrestle, I mean, you know. Yeah, I mean, obviously it depends on who you are, but we knew their reputation was pretty high.

So if someone says, yeah, I wrestled D1, it's kind of like, all right. Probably fuck you up, dude. What would happen if you wrestled someone who was D2 or D3? Would you just demolish them, or would it be kind of gross? So again, the difference between D1 or D3, would you just demolish them or would it be close? The difference between D1, D2, and D3 is just how deep it is. You can have a stud in D3 that

could go Division 1 that just didn't in school or didn't want to. Because D1's a grind, dude. Don't get me wrong. Every division's a grind. But D1 is all day, every day, almost 365 a year, man. I mean, you can get time off.

You need time off. You need a couple days off. But even on your days off, you're still doing mental preparation. You can do light drilling on your own, just like something like real light. But that's like all day, every day. But not necessarily because, like I said, there's a bunch of studs that could transition. Like there's this kid that went to Nebraska. His name is Isaiah White. He was a D2 national champ, could, you know, transition. Like, there was this kid from, that went to Nebraska. His name's Isaiah White.

He was a D2 national champ, like, undefeated national champ. But then he went to Division I and didn't All-American his first year. And then he All-Americaned his second year. But, like, he was, like, undefeated. Like, no one touched that kid. When in D1, he didn't even make it to the finals. He didn't even make it to the top three, so. It's like Kamaru Uzman, too.

He was, like, D2, right? He was D2, yep. Yep. Yeah, the kid was tough. He was tough in wrestling, but, I mean, when people are like, oh, he beat Tyrone Woodley, he's a Division I wrestler. I mean, when it comes to cage fighting, it's not wrestling. It's not just wrestling.

He was a better fighter. That's the thing. He beat him in wrestling, but, I mean, he wasn't trying to wrestle. He was trying to stand up, and he just beat his game is all. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, man, I've always wondered, though, just, like, dude, I tried wrestling once. Did you? I tried the Blackstone for, like, I think it was, like, two or three sessions.

When? I think it was... When they first started? Yeah, it was after my junior year. Okay. Oh, I do remember that. Yeah, they needed like heavyweights or something so they came into like the weight room yeah and they saw my nice

pair of tits and they were like come on no colin colin wanted me to i feel like colin kind of everyone too but like makes sense yeah it's every coach but then i remember uh there was one day where i was like i think you were. I think I was maxing out. I was doing my test. Remember that? And I was like wicked scared. Yep. Yep.

And I think I squatted like 375. And Colin was like, no, probably wasn't even 375. It was probably like 350, something like that. Something not that heavy. And then like Colin was like, you know, like, dude, try 405. And I was like, are you fucking saying I do? My knees will literally fucking snap. And you were like, no, man, like you can do it.

And like, I remember you specifically being there. And I like went down to parallel. And I was like, there's no way I'm getting this up. I tried going up and it went down like another inch. And then like my adrenaline just kicked in and i did it but i remember uh then i tried cleaning like 205 which like back then was like yeah fucking yeah and i would just use my arms like i didn't even have good form and like after i cleaned 205 i remember like gordon was watching me and then that's when he like tried to convince me and then I went to the club wrestling.

It was Blackstone. He just taught me three moves. He was like, this is all you need to know. I remember just after one practice, dude, I was like, that's literally the most tired I've ever been in my life. I've never experienced anything like that before. I run all the time. I'll do hills and stuff.

Just going all out for like three minutes. It's like the first practice I went to, it was live wrestling. And I was like, I've never wrestled before in my life. And we would go like three minutes at a time. So after like a minute, I was like fucking absolutely dead. Oh yeah.

Yeah. I mean, wrestling's obviously the best shape I've ever been in. Best shape I feel like anyone's gonna be in in their life cause even with fighting the difference is like you can't spar

every single day you'll get hurt in wrestling you literally you wrestle every single day you're beating each other up every single day

like in college like if you didn't leave the room bleeding like you probably didn't wrestle hard enough like that's just like the mentality of it it's just different.

Yeah. You still fucked up years. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they look better than they used to. Yeah. You remember that in high school?

Did you get them drained? Uh, my mom made me get my right one drained when it first happened in high school. And remember I wore that little sock thing on my ear? Cause they kind of had to cut me open and try to squeeze it out. Cause it was already hard. And, uh,

the only other thing to do is to scrape out your cartilage. And it doesn't make your air flimsy, but it wouldn't be as hard as a regular ear. Did that hurt a lot when they drained it, though? Oh, my God, yeah. Yeah. Basically, the procedure he did on me was he was supposed to put me under, and I said, fuck that. I just got out of surgery.

I'm not doing any more surgeries. So he gave me just general anesthesia in the ear. And when he squeezed it, being that where he put it, he put it into cartilage that was already hard. So it didn't do anything for me. Maybe for like a couple seconds. Then when he opened me up, I felt everything. I was passed out. Oh, my God.

Were you like in shock because of the pain? No. At first, honestly, it wasn't bad when i left though when i walked out my mom i started like feeling like i was getting like uh like i was gonna pass out i was like oh i need to take a seat real quick yeah but yeah because i mean i i didn't lose that much blood to pass out i think it was more just my body reacting or something but oh man yeah i remember i got i got fluid drained from my knee and i was like they don't even they didn't really warn me they were just like alright we're going to stick this

the needle is massive and I was like I guess this isn't going to hurt they didn't say anything and it was so fucking painful you feel it leaving your body and it feels like it's getting sucked out of your body not even just like a hole

it's getting sucked out of your body it fucking hurts that was wicked painful honestly but that was like your transition though from like football to wrestling it was just like yeah it's just they weren't giving me as much money i was going to basically a sixty thousand dollar a year school and they were giving me uh eighty percent scholarship so like oh hell yeah and then uh um they were giving me maybe like a quarter a quarter that so i was like i can't afford that and i don't want to have loans for going to possibly not be able to play football because in division three if you get hurt you're hurt you

don't you get a gray shirt but it's not like college where i can i had uh you can have an injury year you can have a red shirt year. And basically like you still have scholarship, you have athletic scholarship, you in division three, you get hurt. There's no really, there's merit money. That's it. Yeah, man, dude, I haven't been injured in so long. Like I don't even know what it's like anymore. I remember back then, like I always think about my past. I'm like, dude, you should have done something different. But then I think like thoroughly and I'm like, I was injured like all the fucking time. Yeah.

My knees were just like nutsacks, you know? So it was just like I was always fucking hurt. And that's like that affected every single decision I made. But now I'm just I'm nice and lubed up, dude. I'm ready to fucking I'm ready to fuck, dude. And I just I haven't been hurt in so long. Like, you know. So if your knees are like nutsacks, right?

Yeah. If someone kicked you in the knee, would like you get like a throat feeling, a gut feeling? How would that right yeah if someone kicked you in the knee would like you get like a throat feeling a gut feeling how that work if someone kicked me in the knee yeah probably hurt a lot if someone like inside leg kicked me probably see you i'd probably be down yeah yeah speaking of that you've been uh you've been doing a little bit of uh mma or just like stand up um a lot of orgies okay yeah okay no i uh yeah just stand up nothing uh yeah yeah because i mean like i'll do comedy at night so like um do you know uh gregor bella i do yeah i do um because i went to triforce like for like a week i did the free membership thing and i was like uh none of the classes like I could do with comedy

because I'm always like doing open mics at night so I mean I saw Greg there and I was like you know I found out he does like one-on-one sessions so I just started doing that with him and I was like I'm probably learning like twice as fast right now oh yeah of course you know so just kind of tell me how it is and it's a good workout but i mean i just do it like for fun like i'll do it on the friday morning so i'll do uh you know i'll do like he'll hold the pads for me teach him some stuff for like 45 minutes which is like pretty long session just for stand-up and then i'll just go to work and then i'll go to you know i'll do comedy at night it's like the only thing I can do, you know, with that schedule.

But yeah, man, I figured like, I mean, like, cause like back in the day we had a bunch of stuff to do. Like we had sports all the time. So it was like, you know, always constantly busy. Like you're not second guessing things, but now it's like, you know, you got to find hobbies, man. Yeah. Yeah.

And, uh, I just figured like, you know, if i make like a shitty joke or something and someone like makes fun of me or like tries to assault me like at least i'll be able to somewhat defend myself yeah you know but i mean you learn a lot man you know what i mean yeah so plus greg fucking kills people yeah yeah so yeah i don't know man i thought it was the best option but no for sure i mean i think i think everyone should know how to defend themselves i mean it's a good feat and uh i think it just not just like knowing how to just fuck someone up basically it's just self-confidence like walking around just knowing you can defend yourself and just how you walk around basically just you just raise up another level just mentally yeah i've been trying to amp it up a little bit with like the um not the confidence at all that's always going to

stay low but like in terms of like just exercising and stuff i've been trying to ramp it up a lot more i see that dude you've been doing a lot of like dick ups and uh and like finger ups i'm like that's pretty yeah yeah i've been doing a lot of probing. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I got you. Little hook and ladder, bud. I feel like, I don't know, man. Like, I've said this before. I feel like we're kind of like at an age where, like, people don't really judge you that much anymore for, like, you know. Like, if back in the day in high school or, like, in college, I feel like if me or you put up a video of us deadlifting, someone would be like, what the fuck?

What's up with this kid? Jealousy, dude. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, nowadays, it's kind of like, like you know a little bit more acceptable 100 like not that much but like a little bit well think about it now with this coronavirus everyone's influencer everyone's uh a strength coach everyone's a dietician coach oh yeah yeah i mean i've never put up advice or anything like that every one of my captions is like either about, you know, like low self-esteem or just like something wicked and mature.

So, yeah. But I also, dude, I honestly like if I'm being 100% honest with you, this quarantine has made me question like working out in general. Because like, dude, I've like, I've always like lifted pretty heavy for the most part. And then, you know, i did like i tried doing like some bodybuilding workouts and stuff but dude i just got a pair of gymnast rings and dude those things are so hard and you can do so much with them yeah so like this whole quarantine thing man it makes me like question what i'm doing with my life you know like in terms of working out yeah especially like lifting heavy you know not that

i would do it that much but like when you do i mean like it's not like you know you're gonna have perfect form every time so yeah i mean that's one thing that i try to tell people and kids and some coaches don't understand that it's like when especially when you're lifting heavy for like competition um some coaches like oh you can't do it. It's not perfect technique. I'm like, bro, you throw 500 pounds on the bar and in your hands, on your back. Yeah, fuck technique.

Like your technique could still be pretty good, but if it's like above your, like two times your body weight at least, there's a possibility something might give a little bit. If it gives bad, then yeah, like stop. But it's like,

it's not gonna be super perfect every time, but yeah, and it kills you. At the end of the day, you're just dead tired. It takes a lot out of you. Yeah. Anytime I've ever maxed out, I've been like yeah, and it kills you. At the end of the day, you're just dead tired. It takes a lot out of you. Yeah.

Anytime I've ever maxed out, I've been like, that's it for me. Like, it just takes everything out of me. Oh, yeah. And like, what I'm doing,

I'm like, this, even if I like, brace right, do it like, you know, go through like, cues in my head and stuff,

I'm like, this isn't, this isn't right. Well, I've seen your form. You got the, really good hip thrust, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I got fucking powerful hips, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I got fucking powerful hips, bro. Yeah. You breaking backs nowadays? Yeah. No, just fingers.

Yeah. I've been trying to stretch out the hips a lot. You know, like when dudes are like, you ever see like a porno, like where dudes are like, you know, like they're straight up,

but they got their knees bent. Yeah. Dude, I've never been able to do that what yeah you've never been able to so you can't like get on your knees oh i can get on my knees but like no like you know how like dudes like those you know like have you ever done that hip stretch where like um you're almost like humping the ground. Are you laying down? Yeah, you're basically on all fours.

Okay. And you're literally humping the ground. And your legs are like, you're trying to bring your hips to the floor. You ever done that stretch? Imagine Johnny Sins, dude, right? Him and Kiss are going at it. And Johnny's just in straight missionary,

but he's on his knees. Like, he's perfectly parallel. Like, if I was going to do that, I'd have to be, like, face down. Like, my hips don't have that mobility. So your hips do lie? Yeah. Okay. She care of you, so mad at you.

Yeah. Can you, dude, you can do that? Probably, yeah. Yeah, you could probably do it. But I think that's my next goal is just to be like to be able to be like perfectly straight up instead of just you know laying down on chicks not that i'm doing it in general but once the day comes like i want to be prepared so what do you do like you just lay down on them and they pass out and you're like oh shit she wasn't even awake like how does that work

um usually i'll be like all right i going to go to the bathroom real quick, right? I'm just kidding. I'm not going to say that. No, man. It's been rough, like, the past few years. I don't even remember what it's like, dude. Like, I remember, I almost feel like it's back in the day, like in high school, when you guys were trying to hook me up with fat chicks at parties.

Like, you remember that? I remember one time it was Nevin and Trent. Yeah, I mean, you guys always got girls, and I was just kind of like... I had a solid pair of tits, and you guys were always trying to... No, I think you did better than you thought you did. Probably. Back then, dude, I was doing way better than I'm doing now. But I think now I have a little bit more of a.

I don't know, man, like I don't want like a I don't want to hang out with some boring girl. You know what I mean? I feel that like I don't want to I don't want to go to Starbucks and, you know, get like a grande macchiato, dude. Starbucks, and, you know, get, like, a grande macchiato, dude. Like, I'm trying to get with, like, a chick who, like, lives life on the edge, dude. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, a chick with a full bush, you know, rolls up to Starbucks, dude, asks for, like,

a grande pussy pop, a 350Z, dude, and peels out. Imagine that. So, dude, I mean, like, I don't know, man. I'm just sick of like boring chicks, you know, like the basic chicks. I just like I need someone to spice up my life a little bit. What do you define as boring? Like the same, dude. I feel like so many girls are kind of just like the same. I mean, you've seen it, dude.

Yeah, it's coming. Yeah. I mean you've seen it dude yeah it's coming yeah I mean it's like I just want some sort of like deviance man you know you want a bad girl so you're

so you're the good man that wants a bad girl yeah dude people people always think like I want like some some girl like you know who's gonna go to church and like

be wicked nice to me dude but dude I've always into I've always been into bad chicks. I like it. You know what I'm saying? Makes it more exciting, you know? Yeah.

I get it. You trying to feel? I feel. But, I mean, I've been out of the game. I've had a girlfriend for almost six years now. Six years? Almost, yeah. When did you guys meet?

So when I went to CCRI, we met at CCRI. And then we talked for almost seven months. When I went to Illinois, we were still talking. Then she came up to visit me, and then that's when we started dating. So, like, in October, it was, like, five years officially. But we'd already been together for five years and seven months so right now it's like six years something is it boring or is it no man you gotta you just gotta know how to change it up how do you spice it up though huh you said how do you spice yeah how do you spice that up though many ways jonathan many ways

give me an example because she's watching. She would kill me. No, she, it's just like, I mean, when you like someone that much, like, you just gotta have fun, you know? You just gotta have fun with it.

As long as you're yourself with you and her, I mean. I know what you're saying. And we're both like, she looks like she's like a really, really good girl, but she's actually kind of crazy.

Yeah, I mean, they all are, dude. That's the thing. It's like. And a good crazy, though. Like, she likes to go out. She likes to party. She likes to party she likes to like just have fun basically so it's always a fun

time that's i mean that's the thing like i can i can see through all of it you know what i'm saying like i can i can see through the grande macchiato dude i can see through that shit like you ever see like girls at like a fucking uh like a sleepover or some shit you ever see how weird they are yeah dude farting on each other and shit yeah dude they're just jumping up and down on the bed like naked they're a bunch of guys like throwing eggs at each other i'm just fucking with you but like they always just do weird shit dude like. Like, jump up and down on the bed, like, listen to, like, Jesse McCartney, dude. You know?

What else do they do? They're just being guys, dude. No. Hey, you ever thought about that? Guys just play video games. You ever thought about that?

What? Like, when girls are with girls and guys are with guys that's hanging out, like, are guys being like girls or are girls being like guys?

I feel like girls are definitely being like guys. Okay. But at the same time not really You know what I'm saying So does that like Make us feminine And like masculinity is just like

I mean if I'm surrounded by a bunch of dudes Like You know It's gonna be like A lot different than if I'm like by myself Yeah Cause like if I'm by myself. Because if I'm by myself, I might be a little more girly.

Like look at myself in the mirror, dude. Might jump up and down in the bed naked a little bit. Listen to some Jesse McCartney. But if there's a bunch of dudes around, probably not going to be doing that. I just remembered one story. We were at Nevin's house. And you were drunk.

I forgot. It might have been after the championship game or I was just at Nevin's house honestly and me and you were drinking Bud Light Limes

and then you were starting to take shots so then you got you started getting tired you passed out or whatever so you were on the couch

and Nevin made a slide that literally went straight to your nuts and rolled down a full can of beer and smoked you to the nuts. Really? And you got up, you're like, oh.

I don't remember that at all. Oh, my God. That was so funny. They had a video of it for the longest time. I think it was on Nevin's old phone, so it had to be gone. Really? Yeah. Dude, I remember Mitch had a party once And uh We were probably still in uh

Yeah it was a high school graduation party Were you there? Uh no I don't think so Really? Probably not The fuck are you doing dude? I don't know

I did a lot of other shit dude No I think Mitch Mitch had a uh It was some sort of graduation party And I remember we were celebrating And I know Ted You know Mitch's dad Was walking around with a camera And just filming everything and so was his mom and they

were like handing it off and they just wanted to like capture the moment but like by the end of the night like everyone was pissed like cocked you know and dude i remember being so drunk like their parents didn't even know like i spoke in general. And they were filming everybody casually. Everyone's having a casual conversation. And all of a sudden, dude, you just see me with two raw cheeseburgers in my hands. And I just yell, who's going to suck this cock? And do the edit on film. And I remember Ted was laughing his ass off because like he had never seen me like spoke

like speak before and uh he was cocked too like everyone was cocked and then the next morning everyone woke up and we watched the footage so you just see you just see like everyone had like a natural conversation and then they like interviewed people they were They were like, how do you feel about Mitchell? And they were all like, oh, Mitch is like my best friend, greatest guy around. And then you just saw me with the two cheeseburgers, dude. Like right in the middle of the footage. I remember Mitch's mom was like, all right, John.

Yeah. Those were some good times, some good parties. I didn't I didn't really I didn't really go out too much until the end even then I didn't go out

too much in high school cause I worked I worked at three nightclubs starting starting my junior year end of my junior year no you went out a bunch whenever we had like

the football parties you'd always be there yeah I would go out I mean I went out a bunch and no so I didn't go out too much so I went out a bunch. So I didn't go out too much. So I went out again more so near the end, especially senior year.

But, again, I was always working out at a club, so that's why I didn't really hang out with anyone. Everyone's like, oh, you're just too good to come. I'm like, no, I'm not too good to come to parties. I'm just working. I didn't go out a bunch. I went out a bunch. Do you remember one of the first

times i ever got intoxicated like was that like a football party and like you were uh you were like i don't even i think you look pretty normal i don't know if you were drunk or not i remember i just walked up to you and someone put on uh the song wild boy by uh machine gun kelly like full volume and i just started singing like right in front of you dude it was so random dude i was just like that drunk and i think that's like when we met each other i think he walked away after like five seconds no he definitely walked away but i think joe saw me and just started, like, laughing his ass off, but... I, like, vividly remember that,

because I was, like, one of the first times I ever got, like... I think I was, like, one of the first parties I ever went to. And I was like, oh, this kid's cool. I'm gonna go fucking show him what's up. Yeah. Well, the first time I got stupid drunk was at a football party. It was at Nevin's house. Yeah.

And they just kept handing me everything. I just kept drinking it. And, oh, my God, I passed out. I was done, though, within, was at Nevin's house. Yeah. And they just kept handing me everything. I just kept drinking it. And oh my God, I passed out. I was donezo within like, I don't even know. I remember me and Nevin ran like eight or ten games of beer pong. After that, I was already trashed. Then he brought out hard liquor. At first, I was fine.

But then he brought out hard liquor and I died. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was it. Those were the days, man. I don't know. I don't know. That's all you can really think about too like during quarantine you start to think about that stuff yeah but like now i mean

like with personal training like what's uh what's up with that i mean you are are you like a certified personal trainer yeah so i didn't uh i didn't get my cscs because i don't need it. CSCS is more so. I think that's overrated. Oh, 100%. It's the stupidest test that everyone technically needs to take. It's the stupidest thing. It's literally. I mean, it's great if you're starting, you don't know it,

and you're right out of college, and you don't know if you want to be a strength coach or not. It's a good test to have. Basically, college class is just in a little test test not as much not in more in depth um but it's so dumb but for me uh with training i train uh i'm a coach at mike bullish running conditioning it's in wuber and mass um but i'm gonna transition i'm gonna transition out because i'm gonna start my own gym so that's the one in the industrial building that you're gonna start yeah? Yeah, in Blackstone. So Blackstone, the wrestling club.

Yeah. There's like a 15 by like 50-ish rectangle space of already like a gym kind of. And I'm just going to basically take that part over myself and just put more equipment in there and start up my small groups. Wait, it's 15 by 50? Yeah. Holy shit. Is that kind of narrow or you think that's enough space oh it's plenty of space really oh yeah yeah you're gonna put like some

turf down or uh so there's a room next door so when you walk down the hall of that room there's a door you can open then there's another hallway that we don't have yet um in the future when i start um getting clients and getting paid and we can just, you know, just kind of marry ideas, we definitely want to try to get the other room and make that like a turf room and stuff like that. So and also make locker rooms back there because we don't really have locker rooms. It's not really girl friendly because it's a guy's club. Basically, we have a couple of girls that wrestle and they don't really care how the bathrooms are. because it's a guys club, basically. We have a couple girls that wrestle,

and they don't really care how the bathrooms are, but it's basically one bathroom, one urinal, but you can lock it if a girl went in there so that she can go in alone. But besides that, it's a guys facility now. But, which, again, we want to change so I can get... Sexist. What? My sexist?

No, it's not sexist. What, uh... So, what, like, what goes into, like, a training session, though? So, if someone like me you know if i come up to you and i'm like what's up dog looking for a personal trainer like what are you going to say to me i'd first thing say is like what are you looking for so we could just talk about because obviously i would say yes but i just we'd have to talk we'd have to have a consultation of like what you're looking for like a consultation do you do a free consultation or

yeah i think so yeah measuring out limbs and shit no so consultations basically you sit you talk about no so what do you do uh in the beginning i'm gonna do free consultations like full so a consultation that can be anywhere from 30 minutes of just talking what you want or it could be a full hour of talking what you want and then basically like you sign paper saying yes i'm gonna do it and then i get measurements of whatever tests that i need to do oh yeah oh that'd be so funny so just an hour half an hour to an hour yeah just talking about like life goals basically so like a lot of people are probably like yeah like i want a six-pack

yeah more like that yeah that's pretty cool man because i mean like dude a lot of personal trainers i know like charge a fuck ton of money i mean for nothing when you're a small business oh so the problem with strength and conditioning realm is there's a lot of personal trainers that get like a week long certification. They just, they know everything. And then, uh, like my girlfriend, she went to a personal trainer with her friend. She paid a hundred dollars an hour for, for four sessions. The guy had no, he had a week long certification, had no idea what he was talking about.

And for, uh, for warmup, he's like, Oh, just jump on the treadmill for 10 minutes and they're like okay what do we do after that i'll just do like 25 jumping jacks and then after that they gave him the workout they did he made them do all posterior chain which is obviously the back and literally lunges squats hip thrust uh squat holds and calf presses. All lower body exercises because they're girls. Because he said, you know, usually girls want bigger butts,

so I just make all girls do that. I'm like, yeah. Meanwhile, you got chicks benching 250. Yeah. Yeah, with straight boners. Yeah. So you don't get, like, a lot of girls with, like, fluorescent like fluorescent leggings who like bend over in front of supermarkets you know what i'm saying you don't get any of those chicks no i don't get any of those chicks

not that at least not yet what kind of you get like a lot of like athletes then like a lot yeah we so at the gym we have uh that i work at uh we just got ranked number one gym in the country um how does that work how does that work yeah like what ranking agency honestly i have no idea it was we got rated number one in two magazines um in the men's health and another one oh really men's health yeah they rank gyms in that yep oh shit i think it's like a top 15 top 25 um but again there's a difference between strength conditioning and personal training yeah um again personal training is one-on-one sessions basically training someone training conditioning is the same thing but there's just a lot more education towards it and behind it like

there's a lot more philosophy and understanding exactly how the body's working with all the way from conditioning like from the inside of the heart pulmonary uh all the way to just like deep intrinsic and stability muscles um for all complex to your body. So it's just a deeper understanding. Just basically like obviously I went to school for five years. Yeah. So what like strength and conditioning would be considered like those videos that like athletes put up on YouTube of like their workouts and stuff. Yeah.

For the most part. Yeah. Because it's very it's very like so when you train athletes especially um where it's differences we always have to make a needs analysis and what that is is basically the needs and demands of a sport that you're specifically trying to train um and then you go from there and then you know you know how to prep it from basically let's say from off-season training um pre-season training and then i was thinking about you as a fucking trainer yeah i definitely uh definitely not as dumb as i look i'll tell you that no no that's that's my

that's my go-to every time i was like oh yeah you know that like yeah i'm not as though no i know you're fully capable of being a trainer like you your body literally says like yo i'm a physical trainer which is why it's hilarious because i can see someone like me going to a session and just like fucking ruining it you know what i mean like that's all i'm thinking about right now like dropping the bar on someone or some shit dude you know what's messed up so just going to legalities for like opening up the gym uh we literally anything you think of that's like common sense because common sense is not so common anymore i have to like put it on the wall at the gym, basically.

I have to make a big list of saying, don't drop weights on your head on purpose, or if I told you not to do something, do it. Then that's on your own. Don't put your finger in a plug. You've got to put that shit on the wall. Dude, can you imagine that, though? Dropping a barbell on your neck? Have you heard the stories of people like dying from that yeah the guy that dropped 500 pounds on his or on

his chest and broke his ribs and punctured his lungs yeah yeah no i've heard about i think there was like a usc player they had it on esp player yeah yeah now his voice is all fucked up like he lived but dude a bunch of people die from that and i just like can't even process that like imagine going for a max out bench and your spotter's just not paying attention which kind of makes sense like honestly like if you think about the people who've spotted you in the past yeah there's not paying attention boom right on the neck dude you internally bleed to death holy fuck dude yep that would scare the shit out of me dude i'd rather dump like 600 pounds squatting than do that 100 yeah i mean it wouldn't scare you because you wouldn't know. Yeah, I wouldn't know.

I've done 500, but I would never do 600. I wouldn't even try to do 600. Yeah. That wouldn't give me anything. I ain't going past 180. Would you even try that, though? A 500-pound bench? No, squat.

No, I've done a 500-pound squat. I mean 600, not 500. I've never been able to. I wouldn't even think about going that heavy. When I was competing, yeah. I was definitely trying. I feel like if I just shake so much, I'd probably just dump the bar.

No, I don't think so. You don't think so? Like if my adrenaline was going and everything? I think you're plenty strong strong enough that's why i told you to do the 405 pounds yeah i almost died i could have died that day so now that you speak of that now i'm rethinking it uh i remember why i said to go 405 because you literally went 350 and it looked like it was your warm-up set that's why that's why they told you to go 40 five yeah yeah and the main reason i went to 405 was to get to the 850 because that would have been 750 because we did the total remember yeah it was uh bench clean and squat yeah so you totaled the bench i don't know if like nobody knew how to clean and jerk so it was just it was just bench

power clean and then squat so and then you had like 650 club 750 850 and i remember being in 750 and connell's like if you do 405 you can be the first person ever to be in the 850 club and i was like all right man i guess i'll try it but dude i remember that squat vividly and i remember like being like this is literally the end like my phone my i was doing i mean it it would like if we videotaped it like you ever videotaped something it looks great but like internally it's just like a nightmare that's probably what it was like honestly no it wasn't that bad i remember i went down got to parallel i was like all right we're going back up not going back up drop down a little bit and use the balance a little bit and then like i was like if you don't get this up like it's over like you're done was going to come over and help put a thumb up your butt to make you shoot up, but.

Oh, dude, that would have, you should have put your thumb up my ass, like, previous to even doing the set. That would have got me going. Okay. I'll do the next one. That's what I'm talking about, dude. Yeah, man. It's just crazy to think that, like, for me, well, you're a year younger than me. Yeah.

You graduated 2014? For me, it, you're a year younger than me. Yeah. You graduated 2014? For me, it's already, what, almost 10 years out of school for you. Again, it's coming up on 10 too. It's been 10 years. No, not yet. Because you graduated in 2014, it's been six for you. It's been seven for me. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, man. 2014 has been 6 for you it's been 7 for me oh yeah yeah man it's just like I think it's because we're in quarantine we're probably thinking about it too much yeah there's nothing else

to think about there's nothing else to think about you just want to think about something different rather than work school working out

and just do something different I always think about if my life was better previously or now I can't figure it out so I think that everyone's life is currently

slightly better so they can actually realize things they need to do in their life and they've got a lot of people have gotten stuff done they haven't had time for i thought they didn't have time for while they're working and there's no excuse now not to do anything um so i think people are finally feeling like i don't fulfill in people's lives almost you know just just again just make it better and more family time whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depending on the family i don't know yeah i think people are just getting more creative oh yeah i just bought a bunch of tires dude to work out with i saw that that shit was dope you just bring them everywhere in your car

yeah i went on uh i was just thinking i'm like dude like i can't lift like the gyms are gonna be closed for a while like people thought i was going to be until the end of April, but it's probably going to be into June. Yeah. So I'm like, fuck, dude. I just got wicked creative. I went to Lowe's, bought a steel pipe, two connectors for it. And I was like, what can I put on this? And I was like, oh, tires.

I went on Craigslist, found the heaviest tires possible, which I was lucky to find. Because they're like 50-pound tires versus a regular tire, probably like 20, 25 pounds. And then I went to Diamond Hill State Park, went over by the baseball field in the cage, and I was literally trying to clean both tires up just so I could squat. And I was like, I can't do this. Like, it's too heavy. But then I have the gymnastics rings. So I was like, oh, I'll just hang them from the gymnastics ring. And that was a fucking pretty, like, good setup.

I could actually, like, I felt good about myself after doing that. But, dude, I'm telling you, those gymnastics rings, like, I will watch probably 20 YouTube videos on just dudes who just do that. Just calisthenics, and they're all fucking ripped. Oh, yeah. I mean, it might be marketing, but. No, I mean, it's different. I mean, when you're doing calisthenics, you're constantly doing high volume because if you're not doing weight, you need some sort of, like, excessive load, which would now be volume.

Yeah. So, number of sets, reps. So, you're never really gonna get heavier per se you're just gonna get real strong you know for your body yeah what i've noticed is like because i've got a decent pair of tits um when i do dips on those things like i'm shaking and that actually gives me yeah like i'm out? Yeah. I'm like trembling because I'm not stable enough. What does it look like when you shake? I have a few videos. If you want to add to the spank bank.

Is it more like a... Or a... Yeah. Which one is it? When you're about to cum and she tells you not to cum. Your eyes are flickering. That gives me a good workout, dude. I'm flickering. But yeah, that gives me a good workout, dude. I'm shaking.

I just can't fucking handle it. You know? 20 bucks though, dude. 20 bucks for those fucking rings. Can you imagine that? That's why I'm like, why am I paying for a gym membership? I can just fucking squat tires and shit

and do gymnast rings for the rest of my life, dude. Well, I mean, let's say people think you need to go to gym you don't need you i mean a lot of people go to a gym because they don't have the motivation nor the uh aspiration to do it themselves they need someone to push them on or some people just don't know what they're doing at all want the help and i mean as a fitness professional it's like a lot of people will never say oh i want you to train with me until you don't need me anymore. I mean, that's my philosophy. Like if I can get you to do everything on your own without needing me, unless you want to keep coming to me, which is obviously great for me, you can make me more money.

But if you can do it on your own, that's that's my goal. So, yeah, it is. It is hard for like, you know, to push yourself. But I mean, I've had like workout partners and they definitely help a lot but like every trainer i had is like every trainer i've had is like pretty slow what do you mean like they take things like a little too slow for me i got you you know what i'm saying it's like you have like what like 45 minutes to an hour for a session and we'll do maybe three exercises with no weight and then they charge you like 120 bucks

and you're like where are you going that charge you 120 bucks i'm not gonna name names but um yeah man it's like everywhere i like i've dude i went to um i'll give you one example i went to the local gym so four court um racquetball and fitness club because they've had a gym there that i've gone to most of my life i don't go there anymore but i remember like i've always had a problem when i squat i don't know if anyone else has this but like when i squat a problem that i've had is like i'll always lean to my left and my this foot so my left foot will be straight and my right foot will be kind of like this like outward outward, like a 45-degree angle. And I'll, like, lean towards my left side. I don't know.

It's probably just because of, like, my knee injuries and stuff like that. Oh, 100%. Overcompensation, yeah. It's probably your, this leg stays straight. Yeah. Your left hip dominant probably right now. And that, the weight overcompensate because of weakness and stability in your knee and probably your hip complex.

You have to rotate out because then you're more stable because you don't have lateral stability right now yeah so like this i have enough internal rotation in this hip yep this hip's like externally rotated pretty bad and uh i remember like one day at the gym like i saw the uh you know the personal trainer there she was a woman um and i i was just asking her a bunch of questions about stuff and like she obviously like she sold me on it. She's like, yeah, I can fix you up and stuff. Would she make you worse? No, I mean, she charged me $90, which I don't think is that much.

No. It's really not. For me, I'm going to charge $85 for personal. Because it ranges anywhere from $60, $220. $120, they've been established for a while hopefully or they're a new gym uh trainer that just you know oh i see someone else charged 100 i'm gonna do it 100 too yeah like it makes i think 90 is fair but i think it depends what you're doing like i think i don't know if she actually knew what she was talking about

and the only reason i could tell is like anytime a trainer says something universal i just like i just want to walk away you know like if someone like if a trainer is like yeah like everyone should squat with their toes forward i'm like i gotta go yep you know what i mean so like shit like that like she was saying shit like that and i was like ah like she said like halfway through the session though so i was like it's kind of late now so she's probably she honestly if that's the case she probably is literally only does missionary yeah it's universal that makes sense yeah but like there's probably so many trainers out there like that though hold on time you need to go back to this trainer and you need to talk to her because she probably does like insane missionary has a bush

and lives on the edge she was pretty hot does she live on the edge i don't know i don't think so she drives a uh i think she drives a subaru forester so it's forester definitely has a bush yeah she definitely has the bush 90 has the bush but in terms of living life on the edge, like, she might be missing that aspect. I mean, dude, she's training, like, at that gym, she's training, like, 80- to 90-year-olds. Like, every session might be their last session. I'm not even kidding, dude.

Some of the oldest people I've ever seen. Yeah. And that's why I'm upset, like, I did it, because, like, I would see her training these people, and I'm like, don't get me wrong, like, they're old people, but just, like, why are you even training them? Like, you're literally, that should be illegal. Like, you're taking money from old people.

And, dude, they're literally, they have, like, two-pound dumbbells in their hands, and they're just, like, flailing their arms. Like, literally, dude. I was like, is this, like, improv? Like, what the fuck's going on right now? Are you playing charades? Like what's going on?

And yeah, man, paid her 90 bucks. And we went through like literally everything that I'd already been doing. And then she said, yeah, like everyone should squat with their feet, you know, their toes pointed forward with a wide stance because my stance was narrow at the time. She was like, yeah, you know, it's a no go. But there's plenty of people who have like a narrow squat stance dude you know so i don't know man i've never really had i've never had like luck with any trainers like

just because of that like universal thing you know so they'll take like like you just said so like you have like your needs analysis and then you'll like try to you know approach, so, like, you have, like, your needs analysis, and then you'll, like, try to, you know, approach the issue. But, like, a lot of trainers, they just have, like, this universal set of exercises that they're going to do regardless of what's wrong with you. Yep. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. It's like, oh, my fucking ankle is fucked. Like, I've, you know, I've damaged it, like, six different times, and I'm trying to, you know, mobilize it.

And they're like, all right, like, you know, let's work on your, uh, let's work on your neck. But it's like, it's fucking depressing, man. So. Yeah. Oh, I know. I know. That's like, uh, for where we train, we, uh, everything is basically rehab based as well. Cause, uh, both my mentor in college, I did 800 hours in our weight room in college. He was pre-physical therapy. The guy I work for now, he was also a physical therapist.

We have rehab-based warm-ups and basically stability work. We're basically like physiotherapists. We train athletes to obviously be a better athlete, but we also know how to uh correct not to the fullest but we know how to correct and uh and just see problems and just like know how to basically fix it yeah and again when i say fix them i don't mean like oh you're gonna be 100 better but definitely like we'll get you better to be able to play and to feel comfortable and not be in pain and possibly not re-injure or get injured so yeah i mean like it

takes time too like that's the thing is like it's not like i'm impatient like i like i'm not gonna be like all right one session like i should be fixed like i know it's gonna take like at least you know like a few years maybe well maybe not that long but no i mean for what i have maybe like half a year maybe a year yeah well it's not even a timetable honestly it just depends on the degree of what you have and what you need honestly and it could be maybe in a couple of months you obviously start feeling better. Even in like a month, just doing the right things. Will it ever be 100%? No, your 100% might be someone else's 85, 90, but that's injuries. So, yeah. What is that like? So like if you're doing a session though, like do you ever get like really intense though? Like fucking, you know, ramp up the music and like let it rip? intense though like fucking and you know ramp up the music and like let it rip bay blades again so so it all it all has to vary on the person like i i can have a group where they're like oh you know

like monotone music like this is what i like to work out to like okay and then dude you're gonna have people that are like dude let's bang our heads off the wall let's smash bars like then you have those people too so it just depends dude that's fucking that's dude i wish i had a barn gym yes dude i said the same thing i almost i almost bought a barn swear to god where would you put a bar exactly dude i have like these wicked weird thoughts man like well it's not even a weird thought like who the fuck wouldn't want a barn gym dude like you ever see those crossfit gyms and like you know that they have like down south or whatever i mean not necessarily down south but like the crossfit like all of them have like a barn gym of some sorts like rich froning and shit dude imagine having one of those and just like a

subwoofer system that'd be sick dude oh my god i'd have no hearing i my ears are basically closed anyway so it would be working out yeah i don't think i don't think it would cost really that much a barn yeah probably it would be more of a shed like more of a shed gym yeah because in a bar there's not lots of electrical in it nor plumbing unless you have a bathroom in it yeah i don't even know i don't even know i probably put some lighting out there but like in terms of like the spotlight yeah every time you lift and final count out every time you do a rep. In terms of heating, like, obviously I wouldn't be able to heat it up. So, like, the winters would suck.

What? I think the winters would suck out there, but. In the Midwest? No, if you had a fucking barn gym. You would have to get heaters. You think so? Yeah. Why?

Why? So it don't get cold. That'd be sick, though, if if it was cold like 30 degrees out if you're still out there you gotta warm up a little bit yeah that's it what would you put in your barn gym though what would i put in my barn gym yeah like what would be like your typical gym i would definitely have a power rack um i don't necessarily lift in the rack all the time i don't do back squats really anymore um really no why not a lot of unilateral stuff single leg stuff um just because when you have over compensations like

you want to be able to unilaterally do stuff again sorry i'm talking stupid um you want to do stuff single leg um so that you can fix your basically basically, overcompensations. And just, like, it's more stability, especially when you're instable. Yeah. And, yeah, that's why I do a lot of single leg stuff. A lot of unilateral stuff, unless, like, for me, like, I get some random goals. Like, all right, you know, I want to beat my max bench I've ever had. I want to beat my max deadlift I've ever had. But I just, I don't know, I just don't have any aspirations to back squat anymore.

I front squat, though. I do like front squat. Front squat's hard, dude. Yeah. What else would you put in the gym though i would put in uh free weights kettlebells uh i would definitely have rings uh we have rings at our work we love the rings um probably wrestling mat half cage um i'd definitely put in turf A little bit of A sled maybe No not maybe I would definitely put in a sled And

Maybe like some like Ninja warrior shit Where it's like Just like grip work Where I climb up the wall Or climb up the stairs Have you ever used One of those assault bikes

Oh yeah Oh how could I forget I'd definitely put an assault bike And a woodway You know what a woodway is The climber thing The curved treadmill It's like a manual Curved treadmill Yeah Aren't those expensive Oh yeah They're like three Four thousand dollars I'd definitely put a self-bike and a woodway. You know what a woodway is? The climber thing? The curved treadmill.

It's like a manual curved treadmill. Yeah. Are those expensive? Oh, yeah. They're like $3,000, $4,000. You think they help, though? Yeah, it's 30% harder than a regular flat treadmill. And it doesn't allow you to, basically, on a treadmill, you can actually, like, basically not lose your gait, I would say,

but it's a very unrealistic gait. Because it's like doing the work for you. Yeah, well, it's not necessarily doing the work for you. There's nothing. There's like almost no adversity of running on a treadmill. Like you just run straight and it's flat. When you're running outside, there might be a little hail, a bump,

and that curved treadmill just allows for more flexion of your ankle. And it's just harder. It's basically not like running outside, but it definitely complements it a little bit better i heard it helps your form though what's that i heard the uh like the the curved treadmill like i heard it helps your form um not necessarily i mean it forces you to definitely be in a better form and you can't keep your foot back because if you keep your foot back you're definitely be in a better form, and you can't keep your foot back, because if you keep your foot back, you're going to go for a ride. It allows you to, I wouldn't say run faster, but you have to keep running through stride.

On a treadmill, you don't necessarily need to do a perfect stride every time, where on a woodway, you've got to figure out your stride and stick to your stride, because you can fall off it. Really? Yeah. Damn, bro. What if you had bitches falling off that? Dude, we actually had a heavyweight in college.

He was sprinting on it, and we were supposed to run it a little bit over a jog, and he was sprinting on it, and he couldn't find his feet. It literally looked like a movie. He went forward right over the... He did a front flip over the sidebar, smoked his head on the bottom of it got up

punched the thing and he said you made me fall he looked at the at the treadmill and said you made me fall Jesus Christ

yes dude that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard he was a heavyweight he was a heavyweight man bro

out in Illinois yeah that makes sense yeah it was use a heavyweight use a heavyweight man bro out in Illinois yeah that makes sense yeah it was what time you gotta get out of here um I can go for like

another 5-10 minutes if you want to alright yeah I got time now but yeah I just I just gotta be out by at least like 11 or 5

just give myself myself to get time to go back do a couple facetime interviews or uh what do you call it meetings and then a zoom call so oh shit you use zoom yeah we use zoom for uh for work uh all our meetings are through zoom uh when i do when i talk kids that especially like my wrestlers or just like clients that i've had that uh just need help with stuff right now i just zoom call facetime yeah what's up with you just like being off the grid though um i just i once i got back from school i got real busy i got real busy and i'm just trying to not have to do much work after i'm 45 i'm trying to make it up there so i mean i've been putting in a lot of work that you know people aren people aren't willing, people aren't willing to do that. I do every day. I work. I mean,

when I came home, I was working, uh, nearly four jobs working seven days a week for almost six months straight. Um, and I'm just trying to get to the highest possible potential I could possibly get to. Like how many hours a day would you say you're working a week i was working anywhere from uh so you said a day but anyways in a week i was working anywhere from 60 to 70 hours or more those are big numbers those are big numbers so four jobs though yeah so i was um because when i first the gym i work at now i was an intern i interned for the six months zero pay then i was doing construct i did uh general contracting during the day and then go to the gym um then some some days when i wasn't doing general contracting i work with uh doing signs with another guy um i used to coach his kids

and then i also coached wrestling on sundays so i did i was doing a lot so that's why that's like all stuff you enjoy those the days yeah yep yep you must have like not been going through that much stress unless you didn't get enough sleep no no it wasn't um where it just affected me basically most part because i like to lift all the time basically um but so i was just too tired i would lift but it's like more so like it was just more state maintaining um rather than getting strong lifting for a goal getting faster jumping higher because i was just too tired so yeah at least you're doing what you like though dude like i think everyone who knows you could probably see that you're going to do

something in like terms of athletics but a lot of people don't follow through with that you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah dude i gotta figure it out man i gotta get i gotta get into something no i think you'd be all right i mean you, you're on a good gig doing this stuff now and trying to figure that out. You just got to baby steps. Yeah. A lot of the time, though, I think about just working on a farm or some shit. Having a wicked simple life. Yeah.

Probably wouldn't be that simple, though, honestly, if I worked on a farm. No, it's not. Probably be really hard, actually. I worked in a barn at school for one of our athletic trainers. A big barn really oh yeah like moving haystacks and shit i didn't move hay for him because he only had he had two quarter horses and one full horse um and a quarter horse is like a pony a small horse um but i would shovel shit uh i leveled out trees so you another barn. I'd cut up wood for him, stack logs.

He had a man-made lake. I'd tend to that, trim trees. I would do all that stuff for him. And then in the barn, besides shoveling shit for taking care of the horses, we'd just clean the fences, make sure the water's good all the time. And he had chickens as well, so just making sure the other animals weren't coming to kill the chickens and make sure there's no holes. Because, dude, animals will literally dig. So just making sure the other animals weren't coming to kill the chickens and make sure there's no holes.

Because there's, dude, animals will literally dig. We found a hole that was almost three feet under the fence because he dug the fences under on purpose. Because animals will dig as far as they can to get to these damn chickens. It's insane. Dude, that's fucking crazy. Yeah, man, I thought about working on a farm and then I like actually realized like it's probably one of the hardest jobs oh it's 100 manual labor 100 yeah there's there's no relaxing i mean then but i loved it though it's great yeah it wouldn't even be like for relaxation just be able to say like yeah dude i got i got a pony dude you know like i got chickens yeah imagine having chickens dude oh dude they have it, they have, it's the best eggs.

It's the best eggs. I've also thought about just working at like a, like a flower shop. One of those large, like industrial flower shops, dude. Have a bunch of biddies come in. Be like, you want to know what the lilacs are? You know what I'm saying? It'd be such an easy life, dude. Dude, honestly, when you said flower flour i don't know why the first thing

i thought was like all-purpose flour i'm like why do you want to work with all-purpose flour i got you that would suck dude you ever seen flour break what flour like actual flour have you ever seen a break like the bags oh yeah yeah it's just a mess dude i used to work in market basket and they'd have those piled up in the back and i remember i tripped almost broke my ankle and then ripped open one of those things and it just went fucking everywhere dude that's what i'm saying like even if i had like a physically demanding job like a manual labor job dude like i'm so bad with that stuff like i did general contracting uh in high school over the summers with like piz's dad and uh it's like he owns his own business and i would like help him out and pretty much just be doing like bitch work yeah and like dude we did uh we painted this house in bristol and i ended up like painting

one of the garage doors like the wrong color like dude i was just like and i was just like dry painting the whole house like i was not doing a good job and uh just things like that man like i was never really good at like anything construction wise dude it sounds like you didn't get enough direction how did you paint it the wrong color oh no he definitely told me like to paint it like a specific color um i think he said like i think he was like yeah man like paint this you know with primer like before we end up painting it and i just grabbed the regular paint and uh i was just being so fucking stupid dude but like stuff like that like i'm dude my biggest problem with construction is i literally laugh my ass off like half the time on the site just thinking about

different shit just like the dumbest shit dude like something falling like something falling, like something breaking, anything. Dude, one of the funniest things I've ever seen, we, the first, like, time I ever worked for him, we were doing work on my house.

So we're doing like the deck outside and stuff. And, we were digging the holes for the actual deck. So we're using one of those fucking... Post hole diggers? Yeah. It's basically just like a jackhammer with fucking... Things like wicked intense. So you're digging with a jackhammer?

I don't know if it was a jack... It was literally just one of those... Post hole diggers? Post hole diggers, yeah. But like fucking spins and shit. Oh, the ones you hold. Yeah. It's, like, an auger or something like that.

Something like that, dude. I had no idea what the fuck I was doing. It was like, all right, John, like, your turn to dig a fucking hole. I'm already laughing, dude, because I'm thinking about, like, what's going to happen. Because, like, I saw him and he was literally just, like, shaking the whole fucking time. And, like, dude, fucking, there's so many rocks. Like, you're just bashing, like, these massive boulder rocks and shit. I'm fucking pissing laughing already.

And then it was my turn, and, like, I literally, I think I was doing it for, like, three seconds. He was like, all right, John, stop. Like, I got to get this rock out or whatever. So he goes down to literally take out the rock and I accidentally just fucking rip it. And, uh, yeah, he's like, what the fuck are you doing?

And I was just like, ah, dude, I don't know. But, I fucking laughed so hard when that happened. Like, I can't even explain how hard I laughed. I remember his dad too. His dad would get pissed too. He was, like, so even explain how hard I laughed. I remember his dad, too. His dad would get pissed, too. He was, like, so good with us, though, in terms of, like, safety. Like, I remember, dude, he told us, like, he told us one time he saw a dude, like, legitimately die because he was carrying a ladder and the ladder hit the power line.

Oh, no. And I was thinking about it, and I was like, dude, if he didn't tell me that I might actually do that because we were working on my house and the power line connects to the top of my house and one day he was like I remember he was like dude, me and Josh aren't going to be there today and you just take off all the shingles and stuff

and I'm like scared deathly of heights but even just carrying around the ladder like if you if you don't know how to do it's hard yeah dude ladders are heavy as tits but he had one of those wicked long ladders so it went at the top of my house and that power line's right there dude the whole time i was just thinking like don't hit the fucking power line but like if he didn't tell me that i might have just been like lackadaisical and just been like oh imagine that dude casually like he's like yeah we're gonna leave you there by yourself today you're just like casually just like fucking boom dead on the spot dude your skin burns off holy shit your skin burns off you're just gonna be a big black doll dude yeah imagine

witnessing that though dude imagine witnessing that dude holy shit how would that usually be like looking at like you'd be in a cast that's stuck like this dude but imagine like imagine like laying down some scott's turf grow one day and you look over at your neighbor and witness that what'd you do oh would you go like tap him make sure he's okay, then you'd touch him and... Dude, you'd have to fucking check into Shutter Island, dude. Yeah, I would never be the same if I saw that, dude. No. We had another job that was all inside.

Same thing. We had to inside same thing we had to use another uh we had to use a saw and like cut open the ceiling and it was like drywall so all the powder from the drywall was just fucking shooting everywhere oh yeah and he was like all right john like you know you have goggles on like just he was like telling me how to do it he was like just get out of the way like you don't have to like eat it and I just fucking ate it the whole time and the whole time he was like yelling at me he's like dude fucking stop like what are you doing like you're getting powdered right in the fucking dome and it was so loud i just kept going were you up there with your mouth open yeah i was like i was eating it like it was cereal dude oh yeah yeah man i just i would never be able to do a physically demanding job like that, dude.

Yeah, but if you work on a farm, it's different. I mean, it's very basic stuff. Mostly, it's not all basic. Because there's a lot of stuff that looks basic and looks easy, but it's easier said than done. Yeah, like milk and the others? Oh, yeah, dude. It's probably hard. You got to milk them like this, not like this. Really?

No, I don't know. I didn't do that. What the fuck was that, dude? Was that sign language? Yeah. No, I'm pretty sure you legit jerk it off. So would you squeeze the bubble at the top? It's like a super soaker.

You'd have to tickle the top. So you'd hold it and just do this? I wonder if a cow... I wonder if they actually get upset though I don't know where you think they just feel bloated and they're relieved I don't know how that works it's like a big jug of milk though

yeah they must feel full they must feel like a mother with breast milk I was about to say how would they feel if they just... Yeah, exactly. Would they milk theirself? Because I know it definitely...

It probably hurts when they get milked. Yeah. Because I know their boobs can get raw from a baby just drinking milk. So imagine someone just like ribbing at your nipples. Give me some milk. Yeah, but I could never imagine like you milking a cow though and then all of a sudden the cow just gets wicked mad

and starts beating the shit out of you. That'd be a good video though. That would be a good video. Just getting your ass whooped by a cow. It's like a tutorial on how to milk cows. I guarantee you can YouTube that and see it. Yeah. I mean, you can find anything.

I mean, dude, my mom grew up on a farm, so she probably knows. Did she? It'd be like a weird-ass question to ask my mom, though. Yeah, but just because you grew up on a farm doesn't mean you know how to milk a cow. They had animals, dude, so they had to take care of them, obviously. There's so many different kinds of animals you could have a farm of. Yeah, I'll have to ask what kind of animals they had. That'd be a fucking weird dinner conversation, though.

Why? She'd be like, hey, Ma, you ever milk a cow? I was like, honey, have you been outside today? All right, dude. Well, this was fun, man. It was fun. This was fun. Thanks for coming, dude.

I appreciate it. No problem. Thank you.