The Livy Method Podcast - Food Addiction with Sandra Elia - Spring 2025

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

In this guest expert episode, Gina Livy sits down with Sandra Elia to unpack the deeper truths behind food addiction and emotional eating. From the moment you reach for food, Gina challenges listeners to ask, “What’s my intention?”—because real change starts with awareness. Sandra shares how food can shift from fuel to emotional survival, offering comfort, connection, and control, especially in the hardest moments. They discuss how ultra-processed foods hijack hunger cues and keep you chasing satisfaction that never comes. With raw honesty, Sandra opens up about how recovery isn’t a one-time fix—it’s a daily practice built on structure, self-awareness, and resilience. They explore how recognizing early relapse patterns can prevent spirals, and how love, not shame, is the real catalyst for sustainable change. If you've ever felt like you're “failing,” this episode will remind you: you're not failing, you're learning.You can find the full video hosted at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodspring2025Sandra is the founder of The Food Addiction Recovery Program and the author of "Never Enough: Three Pillars of Food Addiction Recovery".Find Sandra Elia:Instagram: @sandraelia.cawww.sandraelia.comFind her book, Never Enough, on Amazon:https://www.amazon.ca/Never-Enough-Pillars-Addiction-Recovery/dp/1990700187/To learn more about the Livy Method, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livi and welcome to the Livi Method Podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams from my 91 Day Weight Loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews, and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the Morning Live? Want to relisten to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place.

This podcast is hosted on Acast, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon music. This is an opportunity to become curious. To learn some things. How do we help you feel less overwhelmed so you can continue on your journey? Keep believing in yourself and keep trusting the process. Just be patient. How do you know if it's just you're overeating every now and then or struggling with cravings or habits or you're being triggered? What about that food noise we have constantly in our head?

That's the conversation today. Perhaps you have a food addiction. Joining us today is Sandra Elia. She is the founder of the Food Addiction Recovery Program. She's also the author of Never Enough and the perfect person to have this conversation because this is something that she has dealt with herself. And now she has gone on to help thousands of others. And we

are beyond grateful to have her join us here in the program. Hi, good morning. Good morning. It's my absolute pleasure to be here. This is a pretty special community. So I'm always happy to come back and have a great chat with you. You know, it is right. And so you joined us in our I think we introduced you in the fall and then you joined us in the winter program. So you've got a sense of our community. You and I met a few years ago, we've had an opportunity to hang out a few times. Our members are really trying hard to go about making change in all the best ways. Physically, mentally, they're not looking for quick fixes.

They are here and they are ready and willing to do the work. What has your experience been? I know you also offer workshops on the side and you have one that we're gonna share with our members at the end of the program, but if I had an opportunity to work with our members, what has that been like for you? It's been amazing. And I think, you know, besides being a food addiction counselor and having my program in clinics across Canada,

what really qualifies me to do this work is that I've walked in those shoes. In my 20s, I carried an extra hundred pounds of weight. And I wish I could tell you that my weight and my eating were my only problem. But you're absolutely right, Gina, we have to shine a light over our entire lives. And so when we talk about food addiction versus somebody who occasionally overeats or struggles with food, noise or cravings, food addiction is more about a disease that affects every single area of your life. So it impacted, of course, my health. I was 20 years old and I lived with chronic back pain.

Getting in and out of a car was difficult. I could walk maybe 15 minutes, but it was affecting my marriage. My marriage really crumbled as a result of my really, it was, you know, binging at night, not dealing with the problems. Like food was always the escape code. Food was comfort, food was love. It affected my career. You know, my firm, I was at a firm for 15 years.

I was at a consulting firm for 15 years. It's the best experiment I was ever a part of because they actually hired me at a normal weight and then witnessed me gain a hundred pounds in a year and a half. And that devastated my career. I lost client facing projects. I was moved to a different floor. I ended up on disability leave. Like it was a mess. I was also impacted my relationships. I was in a meshed codependent relationship with my mom who was living with obesity and bipolar disorder. And that's an important thing. We do have to look at our relationships, codependency and food addiction often go hand in hand. And people need to understand this because

if you're in a toxic work environment, if you're in a toxic marriage, how are you not going to use food for comfort and escape? Like it's not, you know, in my twenties I was always looking for the meal plan. Yeah. I didn't want to do anything else. I didn't want to do the real work, the inner work, the thinking. I would sign up. This was before internet, before zoom, you drive to the little location, you sit in this little room, they give you this impossible plan to follow and you know and I said sure how much money do you want just give me the meal plan and I thought that's what it was all about if you give me the plan and I follow it and I become skinny I'm

done and I always say the greatest gift the universe gave me was that I was never gonna be skinny and that set me on a journey of looking inward and doing the internal work and finding peace and loving and accepting the body I have today, changing my relationships. Cause I'm gonna tell you right now, if I could have figured out how to eat whatever I want and be skinny, I would have been a crazy bitch.

Like I wish I could tell you I was so virtuous and that I would have led this spiritual life. Uh-uh. I thought the goal was be skinny and not to worry about anything happening on the inside. So thank God I couldn't have figured that one out. Well, you know, it's really this over... Well, thank you for sharing that. And you know, it's the oversimplification of calories in versus calories out. In fact, you and I were just at an obesity conference and I love that on the Friday night,

they said it's not that simple. We know now there is so much more to it. I was actually sitting here listening and thinking of, you know, going back a few years when we first met at the Canadian obesity summit in Vancouver and food addiction wasn't really a real thing. They refused to sort of acknowledge that it is real and it existed and now look what everything has happened with the diet industry at this point and you know now we have all these GLP ones and we're recognizing for some people it is so much harder than just having a meal plan and same with our members here in the Libby Method.

Some people will just follow those guidelines each week and they'll be like so easy peasy done. And then other people have a lot to unpack that has to do with how they were raised. It has to do with their genetics. It has to do with their environment. It has to do with their issues and associations and habits and triggers.

Let's get into food addiction. Let's define it. What is food addiction? The easiest way for me to describe that is if we look at alcoholism. Some people can enjoy a glass of wine and go on with their night and don't think about wine for another two weeks. Then others will have one glass of wine and they know they're in trouble because it ignites the hunt for more. Now they're going to have two, three and four and so that's the

way it is with food addiction. No one is addicted to salmon, chicken, asparagus, steak and those are delicious foods. I'm not talking right like you know boiled chicken and lettuce. It's those ultra processed foods. They're made in factories, they're nutrient poor, they're disease causing. So really should anybody be having them as the mainstay of their diet. But what's most important and why food addiction is coming to the forefront is we're starting to understand they have been chemically engineered to overwhelm our reward center. And some of us are susceptible to that, just like some of us are susceptible to alcoholism and others are not. And so that's the important piece. Now, unfortunately, what's happening, I've been in this industry now for 14 years, it used to be that food addiction was often the ramp up to it was trauma in childhood, you know, not having

supportive parents or environments and you found food on your own because it was accessible and it started to comfort you and then over time you became dependent on it. Now it wasn't I just had it when I was upset now I can't get through my day without it. What we're seeing now are teens who because they've been given ultra processed foods from literally the age of one, and just small doses, small doses, fast food, McDonald's is a treat two times three times a week, and I get it, I'm a parent, my daughter eats sugar. Then they become addicted, and they don't have the trauma that they used to, but because the food supply is changing at such a rapid rate, they are really trying to figure out how do you get people to buy more? If

they make products that satiate you, you're not going to buy more. They make products that ignite the hunt for more. What's next? How do I have more bigger size? Yeah. And you know, this isn't about fear mongering. I want to be very clear about that. And this is a reality because sometimes we hear, oh, they're making our food to be addictive and you're adding all these chemicals. And that really is a reality. There are people sitting around trying to figure out how to have you not eat just one chip. In fact, this is becoming an issue with the GLP-1s, where now they're trying to reverse engineer the food because people are not feeling a need

when they take these GLP-1s that make them feel more satisfied. They're not feeling a need to continue to eat these types of foods, which has having an impact in the industry. Now, before we go too further, that seems like really big business. That seems like, what am I gonna do about that?

At the end of the day, I can only control what I'm buying the foods that I'm choosing to eat. But it's not an easy thing when you have it in your house, or you're going out places and it's available, or you is tied into your sense of coping. When I'm stressed, I eat ice cream when I'm stressed, I eat the chips. You talked about alcohol. Yeah, and It's interesting because we have this post about chocolate and alcohol that come out in the same day. Can I have that square piece of chocolate? And I say to people, try to hold off for now. Because what happens is you start adding it in

one day and although dark chocolate can high in magnesium, there's nothing wrong with it. It's delicious and yummy. You start adding it in every day and every day. Now you look forward to it. You have to have it. And we want to get more in tune to our body's actual needs. What does it need or what you want? And then people are saying, well, what about alcohol then? And so it's like alcohol has that addictive quality to it. It's a little different than food, but in some cases, it depends on the food. Yeah. So it's a little tricky. Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally agree. And I think that I always say to my clients with food addiction, listen, if you can have that one piece or two piece and be so present, engage

all your senses, have peace, enjoy every morsel, and move on with your day, please don't stop, don't stop. Life is short, you should have these pleasures. It's when somebody has that peace, and now they're thinking that they've blown it, it starts to mess with their mind, they're looking for what's next, and it leads to an overeating episode,

and then they wake up the next morning filled with remorse and guilt, then it's not peaceful. And we've talked about that before. So I'm not here to villainize any food. Like if you can enjoy a bowl of ice cream every single bite and treasure it and love it and not think about it for another week, please continue having it. But you have the question then becomes, is it peaceful for you or not peaceful for you? Because I presented a lot of these conferences and I always get that one person, Sandra, you shouldn't, you know, eliminate whole food groups. That's not healthy. You shouldn't. I say, first of all, I'm not eliminating whole food groups. I agree with you. And guess

what? A Doritos is not a food. Look at the chemical ingredients. It's chemicals with the sprinkling of food. I get it. It's confusing. There's actually no downside to that. So when we talk about food addiction, we're asking people, what are your trigger foods? The ones that you obsess about the ones that call to you when you're on the couch, like, oh my God, there's leftover Easter candy. I can't I can't stop until they're all gone. If anybody's had that sense of, I'm gonna eat the whole bag. So finally, I can rest. Like, for me, I could only stop when I became physically ill. And I remember, you know, eating, eating anything. Okay, now I'm sick. Oh, thank God, this is finally over. There was no stop button for me. In fact, I used to think my full button was broken, but the truth was it wasn't broken. It actually works when I have whole natural foods

because they react in my body in whole natural ways. But my full switch does not work with chemically engineered foods. And that's the point for some people. So I agree with you. Is it peaceful for you? What does the rest of your night look like? That was a game changer when you came on

and you mentioned that before. Again, another way to frame it, because I'm all about you having the thing, but why are you having the thing? Do you think it's gonna bring you joy, but you're stressing while you're eating it. After you eat it, you start to be like, oh my God, I'm so fat, I'm never gonna lose this weight

and why did I eat that? You go to bed thinking about it, making a plan to starve yourself the next day. You get up the next day, you get on the scale and you're like, oh, I knew I blew it. That spirals you the next day. Or worse, you punish yourself by not eating anything the next day.

And it's this truly vicious cycle. And so this is why we want to get you to a place where you can choose to have the thing and actually enjoy the thing without the noise that happens without the punishment afterwards. I never accidentally indulge. If I'm going to indulge, I'm like this is delicious. I'm eating all of it. I know I'm going to feel physically uncomfortable when my mind does because sometimes it slips back to why did I do that? I say no, no, no, no, no. That was worth it. When I get up the next day and I'm feeling it, Oh, why do I feel like this? Oh, yes, that delicious dinner that

was so worth it last night. And then I still sometimes you know, if I'm if I'm tired or whatever, I'll fall back into why did I do that. But I did it because it was delicious. And I have no regrets. Sometimes it's really easy. I eat it, enjoy it, never think about it. Other times, I have to do more of the talking to myself and being like hashtag worth it. I remember my kids one time, we took them to they love the Mandarin, they love and they were younger. And they were younger and they just,

I mean they had cotton candy for, you know, an appetizer. They just ate all this stuff. And I remember them coming out of the restaurant, holding their bellies and laughing. And it was like, they were so joyful because they just indulged and there wasn't no, oh my God, why'd they do that? Diet starts on Monday. Like it wasn't any of that. They were laughing. They thought it was amazing. It was like so much joy.

And I'm like, if you're gonna overeat, that should be the feeling. Wow, how grateful am I to have this abundance of food? And it was so delicious, but that's not the reality. That's not the reality. No, I think what you bring up is so important. So there's two pieces to that. And everybody can start using this one piece even tonight. If you feel like after dinner, you're like, I want a snack.

Ask yourself, what's my intention with this snack? Right? So is the intention I'm feeling lonely, I feel stressed, I'm pissed off. What's my intention? Because what it sounds like in those stories you told Gina, the intention was joy, was community, was having a good time. Often that's not the food addict. The food addict is like draw the drapes, you know, turn off my phone. I'm pissed. I'm angry. I have bad memories. Now I'm going to eat very different intentions. And then the other one, um, is what state am I eating in? What state in my eating in a state? I, I have this great little journal and that I give my clients and if anybody emails

me, I'm happy to share what state do you go into a meal? And some of my clients are like, I go into every meal anxious, cause I don't know if I'm falling keto today. I'm my plant based and my low fat high fat, every meal is anxious. Some people tell me every meal they go into guilty. Oh gosh, what, you know, am I doing it right? Am I doing it wrong? And so I spend most of my summers in Italy. And what I love about Italy is their intention is community and long meals and what state? Joy. Pure joy. They go into every meal with such gusto and joy and like yeah

what's next and how delicious is this? The unapologetic pursuit of deliciousness. That's Italians. So those are two important states because also if you're eating in a state of sadness or despair, how does that even digest in your body? Where does that even get, how does it get through your system and how is that stored? So I think that's really important points. Intention and state.

So, and if you, so let's bring it back to the Libby method where you're following that routine right now. And this is why routine is really important because routine is the foundation of change. And as your body adjusts to it, your body's kind of calm. You're getting that sense of routine. And then this is where it comes to light. Some of the food issues that some of you are dealing with.

And this is why it's not about being perfect. Sometimes what you learn by having that thing that you're trying to avoid is, did you eat it and did it bring you joy? And were you able to move on from it? Or did you stress eat it the whole time? Did you just close your eyes? Oh my God, I'm eating this.

Berated yourself afterwards. Like that brings to light that you're not at that place yet, but that's where you want to get to and that is the work for you. For so many people, it's not the what to eat. And when it's so much deeper than that. This is a bit this this is a lot though, because people do have cravings. Yes, there are habits, people eat out of habit, people are triggered. And then there is that, you know, the person who is like eating in

the middle of the night, or like, you know, hiding food under their bed, or, you know, as soon as everyone leaves the house, they, they go to and that's deep. And you might not be able to work through all of that while you're doing the program. But you can work through some of it, you can start to be aware of it, right? Even that is not an all or nothing. And it's not something that you're necessarily going to be able to, I don't want to say fix, because you're not broken. You don't need to be fixed.

But it's not something you're necessarily, what would the word be? Conquer, address? I mean, for me, every weight management journey has two pillars. So one pillar is roadmap and the other pillar is resilience. So the roadmap is the living method, right? So that's try true tested. You get a me. I've seen it at the conferences. Amazing outcomes. So you have the roadmap. What people forget about is the resilience piece.

That's it. We love that. Because what we all, you know, I think your program started in April just recently, right? So I'm sure so many of you thought, okay, it starts on that Monday morning. Perfect. Like I'm gonna, you know, it's gonna be like a light switch. It's a magical Monday morning. I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna eat on point. I'm gonna move my body. No mistakes, right? We all think that. I'm gonna start there straight to my goal. No detours, no mistakes, no slips, right? That's the plan. That's a crazy plan. That's not how humans change. Humans change five steps forward, two back, six steps forward, three back, four steps forward, one back. But you see I'm progressing

and how I treat myself when I have a setback when I fall down, actually determines if I ever reach my goal. And I know for myself, every time I had a setback, the shame stick came out, I thought if I take out the shame stick, and I beat myself up long enough and hard enough, I'll never do it again. The opposite is true. Because that internal environment that is harsh, that is critical, that is punishing, Mimi wanna eat for comfort, right? And nobody learns when they're not safe, right? We can only learn from our patterns, our behaviors when we feel safe. How can I feel safe if I'm calling myself a loser and idiots? Like, what's wrong with you? I'm never gonna get I don't feel safe. I can I feel safe if I'm calling myself a loser and an idiot? It's like, what's wrong with you? I'm never going

to I don't feel safe. I can't I can't even figure out what went wrong. So I think that's an important piece is understanding that resilience is a muscle almost planning for those setbacks, you're going to have a setback in these 90 days, and it's okay. It's absolutely okay. They're common. We live in this obesity, eugenic environment, right? How can you have grace for yourself? And guess what? In the next 90 days, I hope it doesn't happen, but you'll have life stressors, right? There's divorce, loss of job. Uh, people get sick, you scary diagnosis, life goes on. And how do I manage my eating during those high stress times

when my brain is gonna go, oh yeah, we know what we do during high stress times, we eat and it'll comfort you. So this is all important to understand in this 90 day journey. Yeah, it's a lot. And Sandra's gonna be back. She's gonna, it's not like we're trying to figure it all out in this session.

Someone asked me, you know, can you do the Libby Method and I have a food addiction. Absolutely you can. And Sandra's gonna be back and joining us. I'm gonna ask her for some strategies in a second. So we're not quite done yet, but she does offer courses as well. And I always say this,

whether it's a food addiction counselor or a psychologist or your MD, sometimes people need more than what we can provide here in the Living Method. This is about bringing awareness and highlighting and getting you to think, hmm, is it more than I just had a stressful day

and my go-to is wine or chips or ice cream? Because you know that you're gonna continue to have stressful days and there's nothing necessarily wrong with wanting to eat something delicious and take your mind off it. It's that berating piece, the punishment piece, that vicious cycle that happens afterwards.

That's what you wanna break ultimately at the end of the day. Can we talk about, I do wanna talk more about, you know, setbacks and failures and how to handle those. So any strategies, whether it's a food addiction or a craving or a habit or, you know, an association to something, what, what is that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, first I want to talk about the stages of relapse so that people can recognize if they're in one of the stages. So the first stage

is the emotional stage. So that's when you start isolating, where you stop attending the meetings, where you're not checking the app, where you're not sleeping as well, you're kind of letting go of the walks. That's the first stage. So recognize, am I even in that stage? The second one is the mental state. Can I stop you right there? Can this be when people say, like, I had an off day, off weekend, having a hard time getting back at it? Yeah, that's exactly it. And then you stop doing all the things that allow you to be successful, right? Like the weekend was off. Is there any point in going back, right? I, you know, even in my programs, people will say, oh, I missed two meetings. I guess I should give up. Why? Why? Imagine you're going to get, let's say you've always wanted to

get a law degree and you're two years in and you fail a test. Who says now I'm not going to throw away the law degree? There's no point. I can't course correct. I might as well. No, this is where the resilience muscle, this is listen, anybody who succeeded at life. I love biographies.

That's my, I just love a good documentary. People who have done huge, amazing things in social change, entrepreneur, it's paved in failure. It's the person who tries, fails, tries, fails, tries, fails, but they keep getting up. That's the person who has the big success. But in our minds, we get tricked that it's only perfection. It's the what the all or nothing thinking, which is a cognitive distortion, very common in food addiction. That's the number one, like either I do it perfectly, or I don't do it at all. So yeah, so there's that that emotional and there's the mental that desire to be like,

I want to stay on this program, but I also want to, you know, like just go for it. And I love that you talk about planned indulgence instead of this compulsive, you know, I was out of control. And then when you're in that kind of like, should I give up? Should I stay? Should I give up? You're really at risk at parties, you're at risk at vacations because then you're already teetering. And then finally, the final stage is the physical. So there's a difference between a lapse, which is a little slip. You know, I went to a bachelor or bachelorette party on the weekend,

and that's just a little lapse. That's not a problem. That's and then there's the full relapse, that uncontrollable eating where I just, I'm in quicksand and I can't seem to look out. So those are the stages. So there's a great research paper out and we can maybe link it to the National Library of Medicine put out. And they talked about three main themes when it talks about maintaining. And it was monitoring, planning and managing interpersonal skills. So people who are able to maintain

their weight loss long-term monitor. And that's, and you've got that built into your app, like monitoring the vegetable intake, the water intake, right? So they monitor, they pay close attention to their meal plan. And they're careful about evenings where if um, if you don't do that, if you have more of a relaxed approach to it,

they found people tend to regain their weight. So monitoring is incredibly important. And again, we're not trying to scare people, but at the end of the day, food is medicine. I'm, you know, I'm in my fifties. I can't get away with what my daughter does at 14, right? At 14, she could go to Mandarin and be like, oh, so funny. Yeah, me, I'm out for three days. And then I can't do yoga. And you know what else is really sad? I can't drink wine anymore. I love a glass of wine, but it's just because I'm in my 50s in menopausal, when I have a glass of wine,

the price tag is quite high for me the next day. So, you know, like last night, I could have used the glass of wine, like it was such a hard day. And then I remember I had this podcast, I wanna be fresh and alert. So I'm constantly weighing and measuring. The other one is planning really big,

like meal prepping, bringing food with you to the office and putting a barrier between you and your trigger foods. That's really important. Like even with my daughter, who's perfect, we don't have trigger foods at her fingertips. She has it all the time, especially now she can walk to circle K, which is the hangout for 14 year olds. She can take street card of McDonald's. I just don't want it at her fingertips because we know obesity is up to 70% inheritable.

And so I worry for her, her grandmother, myself, genetically, she's at a little bit of a disadvantage. And then the other one is interpersonal. So really having a social support is very important in this health and navigating food role. So, so many of us associate food with socializing, right? Like they say, well, how am I going to get together and how and we, you know, Zaina, she's a good friend to me and she she has a rule. If you want to spend time with me, we're going for a walk. Like

she's not interested in long dinners to connect. She's interested in connection through activity. And I'm like, you know what? That's great for my wallet. That's great for my health. And I, and we actually have more meaningful connection than over dinner. So these are the three themes really is, is planning, um, and monitoring. And then what are your social supports like? Yeah, you know, I love that because it's all about understanding how you got here.

And it's all also all about you are the expert here. You're getting to understand yourself and you know, you're following the food plan, you're making the changes. We talked about maximizing this week, Sandra, where people are not just focused on what they're eating, but their stress levels, what's going on in their life, in their environment, making sure you're getting sleep, moving your body. Being social.

And the last thing that we want from anyone is avoiding being social, but what does the new social mean to you? And one of the things that we lost, why it's so hard, is because we do use food for so many things, to show love, to celebrate, to cope, you know, to bond over. And it's about reconnecting with food in a whole new way. And that's what this is all about.

We're all thinking big picture. Not when it comes to losing your weight, but how are you going to live your life when you're done? When you are maintaining your weight. Like moms would never leave the house without snacks for their kids. Like I would never dream of leaving the house without snacks for my kids when they were young. So what do you need?

What are you dealing with? And this is where I say your thoughts and your feels while you are doing the program, that's going to give you great insight into the things that you need to work on. If you are doing the program, that's gonna give you great insight into the things that you need to work on. If you are having the thing every now and then, and you're able just to be like, all right, back at it, no big deal, great.

If that is not your story, and you have that berating that happens, the punishing that happens, vicious cycle, then that's where that work is for you. What a brilliant conversation. Oh my goodness. I'm already looking forward to our next conversation. I adore you, I'm work is for you. What a brilliant conversation. Oh my goodness. I'm already looking forward to our next conversation. I adore you. I'm so grateful for you. And I know you have a huge passion for helping our members.

Final words of wisdom, I'm going to share that you have your, your workshop coming up. But before we leave, our members are on week two of the program. They're still feeling a little motivated, especially some of our new members. We have some of our returning members, obviously, parting words of wisdom for them. For sure. I suggest that you plan for a setback, that you give yourself grace,

especially if this is your first round in the living method. You're just learning to walk, right? So what would you do with a toddler? I love that example're just learning to walk, right? So what would you do with a toddler? I love that example is just learning to walk. And sometimes they have to use the coffee table. Sometimes they have to hang onto you. You would never berate them, right? You would never say, oh, you keep falling.

Guess this little dummy is never walking. What? No, right? You gotta just be so kind and have so much grace and just keep getting up. So when you have a setback, what are you going to do? Are you going to reach out to the community on the Facebook? Are you going to call a friend?

Are you going to, you know, maybe write about it, journal about it? Just reach out. You'll receive so much love. There's no one out there. If you were to put down this weekend, I went to Mandarin and I've gone to town and now I feel bad. All you're going to receive in this community is love because I read every single comment. There's no trolls in this community. It's all love all the time and we have to give it to ourselves. Love is healing and love is energizing. Nothing will slow you down more than discouragement or harsh internal talk

that will slow you down and rob you of energy and motivation. So love is, you know, as cliche as it sounds, it will get, it will propel you forward. I love that. Yeah, I love that. And I adore you. Sandra has a workshop coming up. It's called Relapse Recovery Day. It's going to be on June 21st. It's a one-day virtual workshop. You can head to her website if you want to register, find more information, sandraelia.com slash recovery specifically. And that's S-A-N-D-R-A, Sandra, L-E-L-I-A. You can also find her over on Instagram at sandraelia.ca. She also is

very passionate about obesity matters, which is also a really great resource for people. There's actually quite a few resources for you out there. I know Sandra will be back and talking more about that. You can also use the discount, Libby Loser to save on her one day workshop. I head over to her website to find more. You can also pick up her book, Never Enough, The Three Pillars of Food Addiction Recovery available on Amazon. We will actually link this for you in the notes above.

Have a super fantastic day everyone. Thanks for joining us. Sandra Elia, honestly, so grateful. Thank you., everyone. Thanks for joining us. Sandra Elio, honestly, so grateful. Thank you. Bye, everyone.