The Livy Method Podcast - Getting From Where You Are to Where You Want to Be with Dr. Beverley David - Fall 2025

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

In this powerful episode, Gina Livy is joined by Dr. Beverley David for a grounded conversation about what it really means to keep moving forward, especially when things are going well. Together, they unpack the psychology of progress, exploring how reflecting on ease, shifting beliefs, and tuning into the quieter parts of ourselves can be just as transformative as working through the hard stuff. Dr. Beverley shares thoughtful prompts to help members reconnect to their “why,” challenge old narratives, and stay aligned with their evolving identity. Whether you’re riding a high or feeling stuck, this episode offers gentle, practical reminders to check in, go deeper, and keep showing up for yourself.Dr. Beverley is a Clinical Psychologist registered with the College of Psychologists of Ontario. She also holds a Ph.D. in Sleep Research (Insomnia) and a Master's in Health Psychology.Find Dr. Beverley:https://www.yourpsychologycentre.ca/@drdrbeverleyYou can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodfall2025To learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy, and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams for my 91-day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews, and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on ACAST, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon Music.

We're focusing on sustainable habits, not quick-fixing. Is it an opportunity to get curious? We're here, help people get to their health goals. One piece it's a time. You build and build and build. How do you get from where you are right now to where you want to be? If that isn't a loaded question, I don't know. And, of course, here to walk us through it, Dr. Beverly, David.

Hello, hi. Hello, Gina. Good morning. Good morning. You are on your travels. I am. I am. We have actually just relocated from Madrid.

We are now in Barcelona, Barcelona. Yeah, we're doing a little work thing here, but not until that doesn't start until tomorrow. So, yes, hi. Hi. Well, safe travel, safe continue travels. It's lovely to see you this morning. Thank you. Let me talk about a metaphor maybe. I don't know if that's the right word or not, because we talk about travel, right? We're here. I got to get here, here to reach my destination or people reaching their weight loss goals. And we're talking to some people have been trying what

feels like their entire lives to reach their goals. I want to start with people who are fairly successful and hopeful and feel like they're doing really well, what's the conversation for them? Because I don't want to always just dwell on people who are struggling or having a hard time, and not that we're dwelling because we're having conversations to help us move forward. But, you know, at any point, sabotage can pop up. We, you know, life can smack us in the face. Or is there anything we can do to make sure we keep going? Very good question. And we can always, we can start anywhere. with any psychology. And I always like to think, okay, well, what questions can we ask ourselves

when we're being or perceiving ourselves as successful or perceiving ourselves as at the beginning or in the middle? We can still ask the same questions. So unpealing the layers, and this is a nice time to do it, could be some good questions, good prompts to think, okay, what has surprised me already on this journey because often we are looking for maybe what hasn't gone well or that has been a pattern in us to see where are we where are we not yet instead of where we arrived you know you're able to tell me where you've been on your trip and when you're going next to next but you're not telling me but we didn't go to here and here and here you're able to focus on the journey and your destinations so maybe ask those sort of questions what are

surprised me so far on this journey. Maybe bring it then to beliefs, because you know I always want to think about how are we thinking about ourselves and talking about ourselves. So what beliefs about me are shifting? Have I started to create new beliefs? And then maybe look at the parts of us. What parts of me have been asking for this? What parts of me have been asking? because when we're healing, we might notice that part of me feels different and that part of me feels ready for something else. So refocusing and bringing our focus away from what we often measure, you know, that number on the weighing scale or that item that we want to fit in. You try and also bring it to the root of the matter, other things, our feelings, our thoughts, our actions. And notice that and write it down and use Gina's journal.

And then if you're in this reflective opportunity, think about what has started to become easy. You know, what moments of ease have you noticed recently? Is water becoming more easy? Is preparing your snack a little bit easier? How are you moving through the day? and then notice the activities that serve you. What activities work to make me feel nourished. So go deeper than just am I noticing changes on the scale?

Am I noticing changes on my belt buckle? But try and see, am I discovering something also about myself? Because that really helps. That helps wherever we are, whether we feel like we're succeeding. it's going to help us keep going because it's more than just that that thing and all or nothing it's something about the self

and that's really useful well I love that going deeper and so I'm here and I'm here for a work thing and it's with other business owners and whatnot and they talk about like the 5% of what's really going on in your life and really going deep with it like ask yourself like why

like why is this bothering me and then answer it again. Then answer it again. Okay. No, really, why is this bothering me? And then a third time, why is this bothering me? I actually had a great conversation with Dr. Jason Fung a few weeks back for a podcast that we're going to be rolling out soon. And he did the same thing. And that's that going deeper. How much time, Dr. B, should we be spending on this? Like, you're a psychologist. People book an appointment with you. They talk to you. You help them work through all this stuff. and how much time should an individual be spending on journaling or reflecting or like, do you have a number for us? Can you? It's more than we are is the political answer. I'm going to be

very vague. Most people don't spend time checking in with themselves and asking themselves how they really are. And that's why that real question, like how am I feeling, question mark, how are really feeling question mark and then really how am i think like go deeper because we're so quick to say oh i'm fine i'm okay i'm doing all right but when people go to learn a new language it takes a long time if i if i joined a french class an evening class i'm not going to expect myself to be fluent in 91 days i'm not going to be able to expect myself to go over to france and be able to know all of the intricate sort of a filling words that somebody that grew up with that first language can do.

It takes time. And when we are learning about ourselves and our psychology, how our thoughts are formed, how our feelings provoke behaviours and how it interacts with our body, if we expect ourselves to be able to speak this new language so quickly we're setting ourselves up for fear. So we've got to practice it every day. If we're learning to say something in a new language,

we want to rehearse it. We want to bring it into conversation. We want to watch the movies that speak French. We want to put ourselves in those situations where we can test our new dialogue. But be aware that the wiring of your first language is stronger. Okay, so it takes time and when people think, well, I've done the thing, I know the stuff. I heard Beverly say that and I've had the aha moment. And Gina said this and I know now what gets in my way. And then, of course, gets in our way again and we're like, oh, I'm a failure. No, we're not. We've got very hardwired neurons. We know this, you know, neurons that fire together, wired together. The more we have practiced being negative with ourselves, but the more we've practiced being critical of

ourselves, more we've practiced avoiding food or having a bad relationship with food, we get very good at what we practice. And now we're practicing something new. And we do have to practice it every day, whether it's our relationship with food, our relationship with ourselves, which is actually the ultimate goal, or whether it's our relationship with our people and our It's an everyday thing. And most people do a little bit of work and then they forget. And then a month goes by and they're like, why am I not doing well with this? Well, have you been practicing? And that's where those questions and those journals and just noticing that's where the work comes in because we're trying to hardwire something different. And it only needs to be

little, every little changing course moves the ship in a different direction. My goodness, there is so much good stuff there because we are literally rewire, actually rewiring how our body has come to function physically and also rewiring our brain. You said something really profound, but before we go one step further, I think everyone just needs to take a minute, take a deep breath and just be really present for this conversation. Yeah. I did it. Be really present for this conversation.

You've said a lot there. And what I would suggest people do after it's done, find some time and go back and listen to it again wholeheartedly. And the things that kind of like you feel a response to, like write that down, right? Like work through that. Like that's, it's because that was a lot of stuff. You don't have to do all the things, but do the things that resonate. You said something so profound there when you were talking about.

learning a new language and it's like this is your lifestyle if life's if your lifestyle was a language right and it's all about learning something new it's all about that uh automatic making it automatic just part of who you are when you aren't practicing you kind of slide back you forget and it really is that if you if you can kind of take a step back and think of of your lifestyle as a language How are you doing? How are you doing? Oh, I love that. Oh, that was unexpected. Huh. That was an aha moment. It's a lovely aha moment. Yes. And you know how important our words are when we start to look at our words and how quickly we are sharp-tonged with ourselves or critical. Our brain is listening. So we want to slow it down and start listening. to how we talk to ourselves, how we talk to others, because we have thoughts, we are judgmental humans, we look and we judge and we compare. And if we're doing that, we often then assume people are doing it back. And we want to think, can I soften this? Can I notice

we're all trying to navigate being a human? We're all learning. We all have fears and worries and anxieties. We all experience imposter syndrome and who am I anyway. But catch that and then soften it and really apply that method of how would I speak to a loved one? How would I speak to my friend? Because that isn't just, you know, me spouting off any, you know, advice nearly, willy-nilly, it's real. When we start speaking differently, our heart is listening, our heart is listening and then other things start happening. And that wiring becomes more positive, more optimistic, more hopeful, more forgiving. It's remarkable. If we could see, you know, like sort of the tabs open on our phone, how we talk about ourselves, it would be crushing.

So try and journal it and think, whoa, look at what I say to myself. And can I be more gentle with my heart and my mind and my motivations? You know, it's okay to want to move forward. It's not selfish. It's okay to want to feel a certain way. That's not vanity. We're allowed. We're allowed to level up.

We're allowed to reach our potential. And then catch the thoughts in your mind that tell you you're not. you know oh don't do that you're clearly looking for attention don't do that you're doing it why where do these voices come from and how do we allow ourselves to tune into that radio channel a little bit not all of the time because of course we want to be going through the world not always having to attend to anything that is all consuming but we definitely don't want to ignore it and pretend those aren't it's not happening i'm going to push that to the back of the cupboard do you think that's the biggest thing that holds people back from actually following through and reaching their goals is is the way that just their mindset the way that I know life gets in the way and there's obstacles to overcome but is it us like are the way our brain is wired the way do we speak to ourselves humans definitely do not like feeling uncomfortable and unworthy or that discomfort of guilt or shame or we don't like it so it seems like we

We love it. It seems like we spend all of our time there. That's it. Actually, that is also interesting. Here's why psychology so complicated. You're also right. That's an and, you know, an and both. Because when we've become familiar with that, that is also, it's home. If we've grown up with that, familiar criticism and familiar struggle feels comforting. Oh, I know this. I know this feeling. Because if we are a little bit worried, now if we go back in time, maybe to our family of origin or our beginnings, often there's been something that has required us to armour up to become defensive or to become disintegrated, like fragmented from our feelings and ourselves. And it served to protect us at some point. If we started to just not listen to our own feelings, because there is. overwhelming. As an adult, we might find we're disconnected to our feelings. Or if we're always

pleasing everybody, it probably served us when we were young somehow. Somebody is a bit angry, so I'm going to please, because I need to get to adolescence and I need to get to adulthood. So we will do whatever we need to do. I need to be camouflaged. I need to blend in. I don't want to be, I don't want to be beautiful because what if someone prays on me? So we are, our behaviours often have come from somewhere that now when we look at them, we want to think, are they still serving us? The armour that I'm wearing now, do I need it or do I thank my younger self for getting me this far? And do I start exploring, taking bits off? And do I start to trust my intuition again?

Because that might feel very scary. I have to not listen to my intuition. I must not put my needs first. I must not speak up for myself because that kept me safe before. So that very shifting, who am I now, might bring up that, no, retreat, retreat. I want to go back to safety where I hide

and I accidentally start reading from the old script. Yeah, this is so huge. because in the maintenance program we're talking about this all the time where people have gone and reached their weight, their goal weight, they're where they should be. And the work that it takes to trust the new you, to understand who you are now, where you fit, how you show up, the way you move through the world, like everyone's working so hard to reach that goal weight without even realizing the work that it takes once you're there. And I mean, listen, this is work that you're going to want to do to grow and evolve anyway, but it's so much, and I think this is where we say it's so much more than just losing weight.

If weight and dieting is tied into who you are and how you think, the friends that you have, the conversations you have. How they view you, you know, because there's pushback. People might not know who you are anymore. They may think, oh, you think you're better than me or you're not like that. me anymore because we are they are human they're going to have their fears they're going to think oh no I'm really comfortable with you being that person I'm not ready for you to change but that unfortunately is their work and your work is thinking how do I want to be what is my future self how would my future self greet me you know how do I want to feel when I think of food How do I want to move through a day?

Like we've really got to actually visualize who we want to be. Not necessarily that scale number, but how it feels to be the self that we want to be. Are we laughing? Are we energized? Are we vital? Are we able to let things go easily? And if we can conjure that up, our brain starts working on it.

Oh. Our brain always won't. It's a very interesting part of the brain, the recticular activation part of the brain. If you plant the seed, you know, if you're thinking, okay, I think I might want to buy a new car, we start seeking out the cars. Or I think I want to move. We start noticing. I want to go on a cruise. We want to hear everything about the cruise.

So if we're looking at, I think I'm going to fail, out that. brain looks for all the evidence that we're failing. That piece of brain looks for everything that compares us to see that I'm not doing as well as they are. So we have to actually decide to steer our compass in the direction of what we want to see. I want to see three wonderful things today. I'm going to be on the lookout for three wonderful feelings today because that starts making us pick up those binoculars and look for something else. we're very magnet we work like a magnet what we want is what we'll attract and so we want to say I am going to intentionally find the three positives in my in my 24 hours today and then think

about it write it down those are my three fantastics or my five fantastics or some people call them the glimmers it's hardwiring happiness because our brain is without a doubt on the lookout for threat, what we're not, how we're not doing, are we measuring up because it wants to survive? So we have to intentionally think, I am going to go about my day and by the end of it, I am going to recall, remember, and feel those feelings again. Yeah, this is why it's so important. So, you know, let's tie it back to where people are at. So we're week 10 of the program.

People start to feel they don't have enough time, the pressure of what they thought they were going to accomplish they start dissecting and nitpicking and all all of this go this isn't working for me this isn't that this is whatever they start creating problems um this goes back to that why you and this if you're having a hard time staying motivated it could be that your why has changed it's really important to revisit why you're bothering why you're showing up every day and then really understand the kind of this is like again what the thoughts and the fields that pop up here that is your that's your ticket that's those are the things that you probably need to work on and work through can we can we do something dr b where we're like okay do i believe i'm going to reach my goals

and then actually sit with that feeling and be like kind of and then is there like where do we go from there and then how do we not get so so is to not get so caught up and wherever we're at now we want this so bad it's taking longer than I wanted or I feel like oh my goodness I have to continue or I didn't do this or I didn't do that how do we move past that to keep going that is I know that's a hundred questions all in one I don't I'm looking for some tangible tips here for people okay if we were to write three things down if we were to think okay our fuel tanks if we thought okay willpower let's think I'm going to write down willpower Now put in brackets, this runs out fast, okay? Give yourself permission. It will run out fast. Okay. Motivation. How can we unpack motivation? It comes and it goes. Okay, so write that down. So we've got willpower, runs out fast. Motivation comes and goes. Identity, we work on how we want to be, how we want to become, how we want to,

move into our future, that's the renewable energy source. That's the bit that is going to keep us going. That's the bit that doesn't run out. So when we notice, hmm, my willpower is flagging today. Well, my motivation is a bit, a bit off with the theories today. But who do I want to be? How do I want to move through my thoughts and what action can help me do that? Because thoughts are just thoughts. We can think I really want to drink more water today. That's a thought. But if we do not set ourselves up for success with the behaviour, how are we going to make that happen? How am I making it happen? I feel this at least seven times a day with hot water. I like hot water. But the thought has to, we have to bridge the thought. I want to get my water in today. You have to then. put the behaviour in. You've got to put something in your way that's going to help you succeed. And if you're noticing, hmm, I'm not doing that. I really want to go for that walk today. But if we didn't get our trainers out or if we didn't, you know, write to our friend and say,

hey, let's meet on the corner at 2pm. It might not happen. So we want to know the thoughts, brilliant, but they have to have the behavior because it's the behavior that starts then reshaping us. It's the doing. But remember these three tanks so that you know, hang on a minute, willpower, it's going to be quickly gone. It's like a really fast fuel. Motivation cut waivers, okay? Identity is that big bit that if you go, do you know what, I'm going to do it because I see who I want to be in the future. It's for, it's for my, my future self. You know, we brush our teeth for our future self.

We put face cream on for our future self. And that's not vanity. That's not selfishness. That's because we matter. We matter. And we want to then get our next, I don't know what we want to call it. We just want to prepare. And remember, when we are changing, we need.

need to prepare for that change needs some level of support. I've been doing my Envisaline for how long, definitely over a year now. When I finish in April, that will be 22 months. They're going to put a little bar behind my teeth. Probably people have heard of it. It's like a little retainer. That's because the change my teeth have been happening, happening to my teeth, the change needs some support to keep them there. You know, my teeth haven't. failed if they want to move back. That's just where they're used to being. When we're growing a sunflower, who puts a stake there to help the sunflower grow? We're supporting growth. If we're building an extension on our house, we better make sure the foundation can hold it. So it's not a failure to also

build support around the changes you're making. It's important to think, okay, I'm making some changes. So have I got some friends that help me with that? Have I met new people in the group? Have I got some books that I can reread? Have I got Gina's book that I can think, right, there's that chapter, there's those questions I can ask myself. That's supporting yourself again. Because we're absolutely going to have life happen to us. You know, it's without a doubt going to happen to us where we are, if you think about it as weather versus climate, the weather can be very stormy and it's one day, but our climate is our identity. Our identity might be actually the climate here is actually good, but we're going to have bad days. We're going to have squalls. We're

going to have hot ones. But remember, the climate is who you want to be for the most part. But support yourself. Don't think, oh, I can do this now with. No support. And if I can't do it with no support, I'm failing. No, no. And that's why this break is going to be really nice. A lot of people, when we talk at week 10, they'll want to know how am I going to manage this break. This break is really important. Okay, it's an opportunity to take the training wheels off. Okay. It's an opportunity to see what you've learned so far, to see what is stuck, what is not. Okay. And remember, when we're little and they take the stabilizers off, expect ourselves to have

some feelings. They're okay. Maybe we're scared at first. Maybe then we're really excited and it's thrilling. And hopefully we feel empowered by the time we're like, I'm doing it. So it's really good to go back and learn and think, okay, what have I learned? What is still hard? It's very, very important.

These are data collection opportunities to. think I'm going to learn instead of, you know, why did this happen? Why did I, why did I choose this or that? Be more curious. Think, what have I learned about why this happened? What did I learn about that week or that day or that decision? Be curious at the curiosity narrative. I love that you brought. I mean, what does it really take to make the change and then uphold that change, right? There's, there's work there. I love that you brought up the break in between groups because it really is an opportunity to test out what you've learned. And again, the thoughts and the fields that pop up, it's all part of it.

It's all part of it. We've learned, okay, so I just saw this comment from Thelmo, which I think everything you just said was so perfect. I've lost 20 pounds so far this first round and I'm feeling great about myself. I feel the confidence coming out, but since the most weight I have ever lost or needed to lose was 20 pounds, I am now at the halfway point. I need to lose another 20 pounds to get to goal. I found I was starting to feel I would never get that other 20 pounds off. I know. Crazy thought because I've already lost it. Exactly. You've already lost 20. Why couldn't you lose the rest? But it was so easy to fall into the feeling that I will not be able. to do this. It's in my head. So I'm working on that. So I don't sabotage the progress I've made so far and fall into bad habits again. Yeah. This is good. This is good. So I wonder how this, this, this, this, this, our conversation is helping or not helping to normalize these feelings and the thoughts. And I, and I, and I hope that we look back and we're able to be. And,

proud you know because so often we miss the moments you know we human beings are so tricky we can have had an incredible day but the thing that didn't go well is what we then rehearse and what we dwell on and what we ruminate on and if you think of anything if you think of the only hard bit of the skiing slope but you don't think of the whole thing you've missed the journey there's there's so much to this to be thinking, go back, think, how did you feel at the beginning of the program? How did you feel when you started seeing it was happening? You know, are you able to trust the ups and downs instead of the line of best fit? We all wanted to do this, but it doesn't. It goes up and down, up and down, up and down. Is that okay? You know, it's okay. Have you learned to trust your

body to think, gosh, that day I didn't feel brilliant, but I kept going. And really concentrate on what will that future self say to you? What will she say? If you could meet her right now, would she say, I'm so glad you kept going. I'm so glad you believed in yourself. I always did. Because somewhere in there, I want you to find that part of you that believes in you. And you are not. You are not worthy, just whether you lose it or whether you don't. You're worthy

already. I always say that. You are enough already. This is just something that you want to do. Why? I want to feel dot, dot, dot. What do you want to feel? Okay. And finish the sentence. I want to feel. dot dot dot I will have succeeded when dot dot dot what will that feel like yeah it's not just the number on the scale how are you going to feel when you get there what are the changes in your life that you have made right i before we go um dr b i have this comment here from melody uh i have been overweight since i was a child i have no idea what being normal weight feels like i'm 68 i really want to see how that looks and feels, but it's scary because it's very unfamiliar territory. And I think that's the universal piece there for people. It's unfamiliar territory with this program. I know I can

get there without fear. That's, first of all, thanks for sharing like that. And that's a lot of people. This journey for a lot has been all consuming or whatever, wherever you are at in your life, whether it's a, you know, a job situation and a relationship, a marriage, or just not where you thought you would be or you never accomplished what you've ever thought you could accomplish before, that's some big feels to work through, that fear. We had a post on that actually yesterday. And well done. Anybody that has been able to increase their emotional vocabulary and look inward a little bit more. It takes courage to look.

It takes courage to open that mouldy tub or we're at the back of the fridge. And if you think of anything, if you think as the tide comes out, tide is so beautiful, and you see the tide come up and then the beach is bare, but there's debris. You get to see what's underneath the ocean. and there's some hard bits and spiky bits and some rubbish and some you know there's some stuff

and we know it's under there and so it can be uncomfortable to see what's under there and that's that peeling away to think okay how am I feeling how do I view myself and by articulating it and even sharing it writing it in the group so brave but you've moved it into the left brain you're you're now putting words to feelings and fears and we know again this is science if we name it it helps to tame it we often don't speak of how we feel and what we're worried about and our greatest fear is our greatest fear of failing why it doesn't matter it doesn't matter we all fail we learn the most when we have a setback so notice this and if people are finding that they're able to be in a observer of themselves more. So this would sound like instead of I failed again, this would be a

shift of, I'm noticing the thought that I failed again. I'm noticing that I'm frightened of the unknown. When we notice a feeling, we distance ourselves a little bit from it and then we're able to make a different choice or a different decision. So remember, notice. write it, feel it, speak it. And if the community really helps people find words to a lot of things that they will have packed down and pushed down and repressed, and hopefully, well, I know this is part of the success that you are inviting people to bring it up and look under the ocean and think it's okay, this is part of my beautiful self.

The rubbish is there too. okay we are not we all have it we all have the you know the stuff that we don't want to look at yeah i think this is um i mean some people do the program they just follow it one and done easy peasy lost my way but you know for for most i would say because it's not just losing the weight it's making these changes that you're able to maintain and sustain and and be in a place where you're calm around food physically, mentally, because food plays such a huge, massive role in our lives. And, you know, we do want people to enjoy life

and not stress about food, but it does mean making change. My biggest takeaway today was lifestyle as a language. I thought that was really good. Before we leave today, and thank you for the conversation. So here we are week 10. We have another couple of weeks. We have the holidays coming up. People, you know, maybe feeling really happy with where

at some people maybe looking back and being like uh whatever what's your advice for people in the last couple weeks of the program really take stock you know look where you've been just like when i talk about climbing that mountain we want to turn around we want to see where we've come we want to appreciate the view and i want you to really pull in on more than just perhaps that number i want you to think, how is my energy shifted? Do I speak differently to myself? What healthy behaviours am I doing now that I wasn't before? How is my relationship with food shifted? Has my stress level changed? What progress would my future self notice? And then maybe think about the things that Gina has taught you. Have you seen growth in sleep, mood, hunger cues, digestion, confidence, kindness, noticing our patterns.

When do we crave something? You know, what have we noticed? And resilience, have you noticed that what we learn, because this is the key. If we learn from the days that didn't go so well, that's where it works. Resilience is learning from the things that we might not have wanted to have done. If we just go, that's it, I just suck. We've missed an opportunity to grow a little bit. So look at what you've learned in these weeks because it's rich and it's powerful and it would be a missed opportunity to not look back. Look at the good, the bad, the ugly and be proud of yourself. That's the ultimate thing. Talk to you like you would talk to someone you love. Look how far you've come.

Yeah. Yes, because it's not an easy feat to still be here. Week 10, just 11 weeks showing up for yourself and intentionally, right? That's a big difference. Thank you so much for the conversation today. I know everyone listening. There were some aha moments, some good tidbits, some good takeaways. Go back, grab a pen, listen, make the note of the things that resonate with you. Thanks, everyone. Are you coming back, right? Are you coming back towards? I think we are. I think all of, I think, I think, I think the big group of us. come in. I think for the end. Yeah. Yeah, for the end. So we're just going to talk about we're not, we're not there yet. We still have a few more weeks. So Dr. Beverly be back with us. Thanks, everyone to join us live for listening after the fact. And of course, as always, Dr. Beverly, David, you can follow Dr. B if you are not. Why are you not at Dr. Beverly over on Instagram or you can reach out to her through her website, your psychology center.ca. Thank you so much. everyone. Have a great rest your day. Thank you. Travel safely. Thank you.