The Livy Method Podcast - Guest Expert Live with Dr. Beverley David - Winter 2026, Day 65

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Ok, straight up, this is a good one. Today, it's Gina with clinical psychologist Dr. Beverley David for an honest conversation about why people often feel stuck during a weight loss journey and what to do about it. Together, they explore the psychological shift that happens when the early excitement of change fades, and the process becomes part of everyday life. Rather than seeing plateaus or boredom as failure, they reframe them as a sign that habits are beginning to move from discipline into identity. The discussion highlights the mental side of sustainable weight loss, encouraging listeners to trust the process, stay curious about their patterns, and recognize that real change comes from showing up consistently, even when the novelty wears off.Dr. Beverley is a Clinical Psychologist registered with the College of Psychologists of Ontario. She also holds a Ph.D. in Sleep Research (Insomnia) and a Master's in Health Psychology.Find Dr. Beverley:https://www.yourpsychologycentre.ca/@drdrbeverleyYou can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2026To learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams for my 91 day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews, and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on ACAST, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon music. We're focusing on sustainable habits, not quick-fixing.

Is it an opportunity to get curious? We're here, help people get to their health goals. One piece of time. You build and build and build. I'm just reading over some of these questions I have for Dr. Beverly David, clinical psychologist who's here with us today. Hi. Hello, Gina.

Isn't it lovely seeing all of the little photographs of time gone by how we've all changed our different outfits, different hairdos, different seasons. It's lovely just watching the introduction. You know, I love that because we are here to change. We are here to change and evolve. I love change. I love like moving. I love situational change.

I really have learned to embrace change, but it's so difficult for so many. And we are meant to grow and we are meant to evolve and we're not meant to stay stuck. But why do we feel so fucking stuck sometimes? Nice. Let's start there. How about that? I'm going to grab my coffee. Go. Help that's a big question right at the start. You know, why do we feel so stuck? Yeah. Huh. What's my answer? Well, as human beings, we probably will notice when we plateau, when we get bored. Because as human beings, we really do love feedback, don't we? We like to think, am I moving? Am I feeling reward? And you can imagine that when something, gets a little bit what we might call boring or just an everyday thing and it loses that novelty and loses that excitement. Then we're like, oh, do I still like it? Have I still got the impetus to keep doing this? And maybe that's where we are now, you know, week nine, four to go. And if we

think of what we feel like when it first starts, we're probably full of excitement, full of anticipation, a little bit nervous, a little bit uncertain. But there's a lot of dopamine of this, let's get ready to rock, let's get ready to go. And as humans, when we're like, okay, now I'm in it, now I'm in it, I'm going to, you know, maybe we're going to hit the wall if we're thinking of a marathon metaphor or now I'm going to hit that plateau, maybe that's what then leads us to feeling like we're stuck. And that's kind of a good opportunity to think, what is this? what data am I collecting from this stuck feeling?

Is this meaning it's actually getting easier? Is it moving from discipline to identity? And actually this might be a really good stage to think, I need to now learn to sit in this day-to-day version of myself. Because we can't always be seeking the novelty, the high, the new, because we often do that, don't we? I need to try something new. I need to try that thing, that, you know, that next promised program.

But actually, we need to start trusting ourselves that the process is working. Well, and yeah, and the process and the program works, right? You have to figure out how to make it work for you. So, you know, you're human, you have a body. Yes, food plan, all of that. The Libby method itself is a weight loss program, maintenance program. We know it works, right? Research date.

It worked without a shadow of doubt. Yes, there are also health issues that you have to factor in and address. and there was what's going on mentally that you have to factor in a dress, work on, and work through. So that's a lot. So we know it works. You're either going to keep going or you're not. Do we, do we, if we, if I think about all the people who have done diets before, you know, they do them, they stop doing them, do them, they stop doing. They lose the weight. They gain it back. They lose the weight. They get it back. There's the sense of like when you get there, that's it. you're done when as you know there's so much more to it. Can we frame it in a way that helps us keep going or if we do this in this, are we doing this in everything we do in life? Oh my gosh,

I got so many questions. What was the question, Gina? Why can't we, why, why we know we want this so badly? Yeah. And so many times people will start, but then they will stop. Yeah. And the only way you're going to reach your goal is if you keep going. What is it then? What is it then? What What is it? Because some people will call it sabotage, won't they? They can see possibly the end of the tunnel or possibly what is sinking in is acceptance that this is every day. This isn't a, there isn't a finish line, which can be really difficult. You know, when we are studying for an exam or we're running the race, we put the effort in according to the distance that we're running. You know, the one run I was in, it was a, I thought, it was a 10K, it was a 10 mile. So it was very psychologically different when you move the finish line. And so maybe at this stage, we're starting to realize this is going to be an everyday choice because it's becoming our identity.

I want people to be thinking, okay, at the beginning, maybe we were following the program. You know, maybe we were making sure that we were catching the lives and doing the things. things and very, very engaged. And now we've got to think, okay, what does it mean to finish? And the finish line is probably a myth. Okay, because there's no finish line, this integration. Yes. Integration and a simulation is you are that person then. You become that person. Is there a finish line to our training? Yes. And then we become better. If we're learning to drive, we're not great drivers yet, are we? But we've got the G1 or the G2 or whatever it is in Canada. Then you start assimulating and integrating. And so that's what we probably want to think about. What does now

the normal look like? And that is probably the stage where I want people to be thinking, okay, who am I now? Who was I at the beginning? And who am I now? Because if we think of the arc of of 91 days, we've got four weeks to go, there's always an arc in our stories, like excitement, resistance, maybe doubt is it going to work? Things haven't worked before. Then we just start adjusting and adjusting our thinking. And then we start feeling like we've got the hang of it. We might start feeling competent. We're like, oh, I think I'm getting the hang of it. And when that starts to happen, that identity shift starts to be possible. And that's really important. important because I want us to think like a healthy person and think like somebody that is a person

that pauses and asks themselves questions. I want people to think, am I responsive now versus reactive? Okay. And that's really key. Notice your arc. Notice where you are. And then even reflect on the way you've finished things in the past because our history is really important to tell us the likelihood of something, are we going to pull out? Are we going to give up? Are we going to slow down? Or can we notice that old pattern and decide to change it and think, actually, I'm going to stay. I'm going to stay the course. Okay. And stay. You know I like acronyms. Stay. Be self-compassionate with yourself. Think, okay, I'm at the end of the program, maybe, or I'm at the start of the new me. keep tracking yourself.

Don't let that go. Whenever somebody thinks, well, why is something changed? I'm like, go back, track it. You know, track, what do we doing? Are we moving? Are we eating? Are we nourishing ourselves? Anchor into the identity.

Who are you now? Who were you then? Who did you want to be? And importantly, why yield to flexibility. Eventually, we need to be flexible with this because it isn't perfection, okay? It's, we have to start noticing that consistency beats intensity, we're moving from plan to pattern,

and we're moving from discipline to self-trust, okay? And we need to be able to do that, because if we stay in that, I must be this, then we're going to have those cognitive biases and those thoughts that if I'm not perfect, then I'm giving up. Okay, so we have to be very flexible. in that, that doesn't mean we failed. That doesn't change our identity. We're allowed the bits and

bobs. We're allowed to enjoy ourselves. And then we have to move into that intuition, that's new self, to think, this is how I turn up. These are the decisions I make. And I like the, you know, I like asking people to finish sentences. Who are you becoming? I am becoming someone who. And then write it down. Who are you becoming? I got to, I know. It's like, I'm talking too fast, don't you? No, it's fucking brilliant. It's so fucking brilliant because you just articulated like, I think we're collectively feeling this and even me with where I'm at in my own life. It's not that we don't need this. We need to hear it. You have that vision, that version of you that you are, that you know you can be who you are truly and you have to, you have to be the change. Everyone says, be the change you want to see.

What the fuck does that happen? I got goosebumps when you said that though, because it is real. It is true, isn't it? If you, if you want change, change must happen. You cannot be mad and moody when things aren't changing. If we're not doing it, we have to drive our own bus. We have to drive our own car to the destinations. And along the way there's going to be different places that we arrive and visit. Yeah. But we have to own our choices, own our thoughts, notice our patterns, and be compassionate to them, not beat ourselves up about them, not yourself, just notice like, uh-huh, this is happening.

And I promise, when those old patterns, when, when, because we've been building new patterns with, you know, in psychology, we're often are calling that a classical conditioning. We're extinguishing old associations and we're replacing them with new associations. And we know that when there's this fight back to old patterns, when the old patterns start to shout loud at us, like, oh, no, you want to drive through that Tim Horton. So no, you must have that, you know, apple fritter. That means you're on to something because our brain is having this. this one push at like, no, I'm going to shout.

Okay. It's like, it's like when I talk about even like a sort of OCD brain, when I, when I describe it, I'll say, well, think about the little person that you're at, you've got your shopping trolley and you're there at the checkout and they're getting louder and louder. They want that thing. They want that thing because they're protesting. And if you give them that thing, they're going to know that they've got you. They're going to shout and shout and shout every time.

or ask for that. But you're on to something. Use it. Have the data and think, aha, something is changing because my old patterns are trying to return.

Well, you think is the problem is probably where you're going to find your answer. I, okay, I just want to, first of all, there is no finish to this in a sense, right? Because people like, oh, I'm so tired of doing this,

program fatigue. Okay, you're tired of making time for yourself, being self-aware, being mindful, eating healthy food, trying to manage your stress, trying to get everything you're doing is really to live your best, healthiest life. Yeah. Okay, so there's a lot of things that you need to do,

probably because the environment that we live in, but what are you going to do? You know, do those things. That's what I love about the living method. Everything you're doing to lose weight is helping you in every other area of your life. The problem I think is that there is no finish line and we use the scale as the measure of success.

That's the only thing we're looking at. Okay. I also want to talk about classical conditioning because this is the thing. That food noise, food noise, food noise, falling back into old habits, even people taking GLP ones, it helps with the food noise. They get off them. The food noise comes back because they're not doing anything to rewire that food noise. That's a conditioned behavior.

What can we do to actually change our thoughts in our brain? You've shared capture cancel correct. Is there something else? How often do we have to do that? How fucking long is it going to take? Be real. Be real with that. Well, when I think about catch it, cancel it, correct it, the next part of it is the three ends. Notice it, normalize it and navigate it. Okay, so now we've got three ends. Because when we start understanding how our brain works and how actually primitive it is, we want to just be more gentle with it and kind to it. And that's that noticing. Like, of course my brain is doing this. Okay, normalize it. Of course I am so linked to my, to the way I move around my day and the way I arrive at home and the way I navigate to the fridge and the way I sit down and have the bowl of crisps when I'm about to watch

downtown Abbey or Bridgeton. And then it's about navigating it. Because we know it is strong. We know what happens when we get the lead out of the cupboard to walk the dog. The dog's tail is wagging the dog because it's a physical reaction. The dog isn't telling the tail to wag. It's physical. And what Pavlov noticed who coined this or and researched the classical conditioning is the dogs will salivate at the sign of the food is going to be anticipated. So he rang the bell. at the same time as retrieving the food. And in the end, the bell was able to stimulate the desolivation without even food. So we are no different. So if we are on a journey and we see an en route or a service station, our bladder thinks, oh, I need a wee now.

And that's no accident. We're classically conditioned to see that en route and then need a wee. when we come through our door after a day of work or dropping the kids off, we are patterned creatures. We like patterns. It speeds up our brain so that it has room to do other things. And so we are very, very tightly associated. This equals this.

And then it's very rewarding. Now, what we're doing is we're trying to extinguish that. We're trying to add in a pause. Even just the slightest pause starts to wire us differently. Okay, neuroplasticity, even if I just sit and think, what do I feel like eating today? What's in my food? So there's the pause instead of just the automaticity of autopilot, because how many of us have eaten food?

And we don't even know yet it because we've been in the car or we've been, you know, on the go. Yes, and we want to create automoticity for it to become automatic, but in this new way, that supports our lifestyle. So whether it's your dog, wang it in its tail, know, it's going to get fed or you like Aaron de Gagne talked about how we train ourselves to need to pee right a lot of that so this is that conditioned behavior think about um you're constantly thinking about food in your history of dieting you have to rewire now your relationship with food taking time to ask am i hungry how is this portion for me how am i feeling why am i eating people think oh they

just blow off those four mindful eating questions journaling same thing It's that taking a pause. Okay, sorry. Go. Yes. But that, and it is as, it is as small as that. So we don't want to, um, take that for granted that even if you move slightly around your, your space and your day differently, it's going to start happening.

So if you get home and you know the first thing is you open the fridge, make a decision for the first thing you do, take your shoes off and go upstairs. Take your makeup off. take your clothes off, put a wash on, whatever you want to do, just move around your day differently. And it starts to build these different highways in our brain. And that pause allows us then a better opportunity for the room to ask those questions, because now we're not just on autopilot. We've come down and we're looking at the fridge and then we get to ask the questions.

Am I hungry? How hungry am I? You know, what have I got prepared? and our choices are different. Because if we are in that automaticity, our prefrontal cortex is less planning like. And then we've got to just remember, what are we doing this for?

We're doing this so that it does become easy, that our future self thanks us, you know, because your program is leading us to health. It's good for our health. It's good for our body. It's nourishing us. And it's going to help our brain make those decisions. Now, when we extinguish something,

so Pavlov noticed that if he kept on ringing the bell over and over and over again, and eventually the dog was like getting a bit wise and he's like, there's no food coming, that salivation started to decrease and he started to extinguish that conditioned response. However, our brain, when it's had so many repeated trials, because what we repeat, we learn,

and what we repeat, we wire, If then the bell was linked to the food again, it quite quickly floods back. So humans are the same. We could quite quickly can then go back to our old patterns because they're not gone. They are stored. Okay. So that's okay. If we notice it, again, notice, normalize, navigate.

Think, oh, my brain's doing what it does. Okay. I'm noticing that I'm suddenly doing that thing again. maybe we ask ourselves some questions. I wonder why. Am I stressed? Am I busy? Am I overtired?

What is contributing to my old patterns? Because often that's what happens. You know, if I'm sad, maybe I find myself doing the same thing again. I'm like, hold on a minute. This is an old soothing technique I used to use. Or maybe I'm emotional. Oh, look at that.

I'm doing this thing again. And we do it. You know, we might find us. visiting somebody at a hospital and we navigate to the vending machine and we're like, what is this? Is this what I came to learn to do? Because it soothed me. My old self needed this and can I now do something else to soothe my mind? Can I nourish myself? And can I predict? Can I predict that hard times maybe we have something that we've got to do next month like move home or move our parents somewhere. How can we protect that a little bit? How can we like plan and put more things

in the freezer ready? Okay, because we want to set ourselves up for success. So if we know this going to be hard bit, how can we help ourselves a little bit? And then we're able to do the navigation. We're able to think, aha, I'm going to take that apple with me. I'm going to take my snack with me because I know that I'm not going to, you know, I'm going to feel a bit wonky this month or, you know, this season. There's always those times that you catch you off guard. But this reminds me of I knew I was going to have a tough start business and stuff going on to the new year.

And so I was like, I cannot get into drinking wine, get to whatever. Like, I've got to organize my space. I have to have my mind clear. And I really was like, it was work. It was work every day to be, to be. I was so aware of what I was dealing with. It would have been so much easier. just to drink wine, go back. And I would have been fine, too. That would have been fine,

but I had to be very intentional. It's that ones that caught us, get caught us, that caught us off guard. And then what happens is we fall off and it's so hard to get back on track, right? I don't know, there's no on track, off track, but get back in it, get back to focusing on yourself, get back to feeling your best. Why is that so difficult? And do you have anything for us to fast track? to get our asses back on the wagon, on the train, on the plane. Like, how do we get back? I think that is often conditioned thought patterns where we have, we've come to think that because it's all or nothing thinking that if we have had a shift and fallen off or whatever

word we had dinner describe, if our thoughts immediately go to, oh, well, a failed, I'll I'll wait till next time or it's just not the time for me. Yes. That might be just an automatic thought that we've got to say, hold on a minute. What if I try something new? You know, that's the catch. It can't it correct it.

What if I've caught it? I've caught that old thought. And this old thought leads me to an old behavior. I'm going to know that I'm going to do this now. What if we could say to ourselves, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that I've had a blip. I'm going to just go back and start where I left off. I know what to do. Like, I haven't lost that learning.

You know, if we have a March break, we don't give up school. We don't say, oh, well, I've had a break. We just start again. Okay. And maybe we need a tutor. If we, you know, in Canada, it's funny because you go for this big block of time without maths. Like, I couldn't have managed that. I'm navigating that with Leo. I'm like, how are you going to remember your maths? because you now don't have it for a whole semester. So we just re-engage in it. You know, we don't suddenly think, okay, now I'm going to suck. We think, okay, it'll have a little bit of that uncomfortable first week again, and then off we go.

And it's so fascinating that when we are doing things for our body, we often expect some sort of adaptation. If I'm learning a new exercise or adding on some weight training, my body feels it, okay, for the first week. So does our brain, when we're learning to think differently, it's uncomfortable. Okay, when we're trying to think, okay, I'm going to lean into this. I'm going to lean into the discomfort. I'm going to re-engage with the program.

I'm not going to give up because I'm now a person that dot, dot, dot, doesn't give up. Returns to the program re-engages is no longer government. by all or nothing thinking. But let your brain feel that adaptation as well. When we start trying to catch it, the next day we feel tired. We're like, oh, I've been working my brain. Yes, just like a muscle.

And we keep working it. Okay, and then it gets easier and easier and easier. And it does take intention. You have to intentionally put your mind to your January project. And hopefully then you felt the. reward. Your canvas was clean. You were able to shut some tabs up there. You had more energy for other things. And that's where then the powerful bit comes from because now you've thought a little bit differently, done a little bit differently and gathered new evidence. So now you know,

huh, if I do fall off, I can return and it did work. So now we're correcting the cognitive errors that I I just failed and I can't return to the program. Yes, you can. Give it a go and see how successful you are. And you'll probably notice, huh, this is great. And that adds that flexibility. I think that this is across the board in life. I know it is, right?

When you start keeping your energy directed at yourself and you become in tune with yourself, you become in tune with oneness and everything around. And, you know, we were equating all of this to weight loss, right? but it could equate to career relationships, whatever you're doing in your life. It's all kind of the exact same thing. I, you know, I had this comment here from Donna, although I'm not depressed, I find I lost my joy in life. I go through the emotions. I have friends. I enjoy my family. I'm married to my sweetheart for 52 years. And yet somehow I find joy evades me. Socializing causes deep fatigue. And then the more I avoid, the more it wears me out.

I kind of feel the same. I'm always ebbing and flowing in my life, right? There's times where I'm motivated and feeling good. And then there's other times we're like, oh, what the, what am I doing? And what is that? And I think that ebb and flow is so normal and weight loss. Is that just a, is this a life mindset thing? Like we can have it all and be super happy.

And then the moments where we don't feel happier, joyful, or motivated. Like, is that, is this just life? life is going to just like the tide is going to bring the tides and the waves and the currents and like the weather we talked about once that we can have where the systems come through a cold spell a really hot spell a heat wave but then we want to think okay what's my climate who am i you know am i a positive person am i a kind person am I a joyful person? And if you're noticing that something's taking you away from that,

we want to think, okay, what could be contributing to that? And we often in psychology will break it into biopsychosocial. We want to check in on our biology. Is anything going on? We want to see our trusted doctor or medical professional, naturopathic doctor, whoever you pick, we want to think, is everything going okay? Am I levels right?

Am I hormones okay? am I getting enough of the things to fuel my body? Yeah, because you're going to start there first. I love that. Yeah. The social bit is, am I connected? Do I have, and we don't have to have many people, do I have people I trust to be my authentic self, to say I'm having a really bad day?

You know, I haven't got the energy to talk, but maybe we could sit on the porch. Do we have those people? Or are we hiding that and going inward? Because we know our world and our network is very important to us. And then our psychology, are we getting stuck in any patterns with our thoughts, our feelings, our behaviour and our body and brain? Like, are we accidentally looping near depression and avoiding things or withdrawing?

Or has anxiety flared up or got louder? So we want to keep mindful of each bit. And in our brain, we want to think of three little animals. We've got the lizard that's on the lookout for danger all of the time, okay? The very, very, very, very, lizard, do-da-da-da-da. We've also, and if the lizard isn't happy, it's going to start reacting, okay, because I don't feel safe. I don't feel safe. I'm on guard.

I'm going to stay in and I'm going to, like, protect myself. Yeah. Then we've got the mouse, and the mouse is the reward system. We all, human beings love reward. Okay, we do. The mouse presses the lever. it gets the treat and it learns the maze because of the reward system. So are we spending time to think, what if I accomplished today?

What have I managed today? And sometimes that's just making our bed. Sometimes that's literally just brushing our teeth. Sometimes it's boiling the kettle. Okay. But we need to attend to that. So we need to tend to the lizard and we need to tend to the mouse. How am I feeling?

And then we've got the monkey. Attachment. Who are our people? Do we feel securely attached? am I able to say I have needs, my needs matter, I think I need something, or do we hold back? Are we too scared to say, I'm sad, I need something, I'm emotional? And that all comes from how we would have been treated when we were little, how were our needs met? Were we told, you know, deal with it yourself? I have no room for your feelings. Or my feelings matter more than. yours. Like how did we grow up with either a sense of safety, secure attachment? Did somebody, was somebody able to respond to our needs and know what we would need and help sue with us? Or did somebody just, you know, you're too much for me?

So, you know, I'm just thinking about my parents. I love my parents. I love my mom. I would not change who I am. But, you know, they're always out and about. I think I was on my own. at probably five. You know, they were playing sports. They were living their lives. Probably we need to do more of that as parents these days. You know, I was like, stay out till the lights come home, like get home from school. No one was there.

Like, you know. I'm just thinking about our generation, right? Lots to think about, okay, that's a little tidbit of some insight. Maybe we'll build on that conversation later. You gave us so much. Sorry, maybe too much. But yes, I always come back. don't I, jean?

No. This is the conversation. You, like, there's some, every, all of these notes of all these women who have these questions that they want to say, how do I get back? How do I get back to feeling this? How do I overcome this? Give me some suggestions for that. Like, you hit all of these.

It's not any one big thing. It's the practice of this. I would suggest to everybody to listen to this conversation openly, right? And then just like, maybe with a pen, just listen to it again. again and again because this, this is it. This is the big thing. How do we keep going? And how do we understand that this is it? And there is no end. But that's not a bad thing. And it's totally worth it. Yes. Like let it not be daunting. Let it be freeing. It's freeing to be able to do this, you know, instead of feeling like it's constraining us and limiting us. This is

taking off the ceiling, you know. I love that. I'm just going to let that. I'm just going to let said you got a um jody was telling you behind the scenes you got a you got a session a seminar thing coming up yes whoa a catch it cancel corrected lunch and learn spring group four weeks okay sign me this is brilliant this is brilliant this is brilliant it's a lunch time lunchtime group um and it's just one hour from 12 till one and it'll be four weeks and we'll just delve deeper into the rewiring in the neuroplasticity and if you've got insurance you can claim it. So then you get your receipts for psychological services. So the more and the merrier. Because it gives me a chance to go deeper. Yes. Even deeper, Gina.

Well, we had Dr. Jason Funglone. He was talking about conditioned hunger. And this is where I have all the conversations there'll be to see the experts. People just, they can't do it all. And this is where if you can teach people to do it for themselves and be an advocate for themselves in this way. Oh my God. That's brilliant. Okay. Your PsychologyCenter.a.com. If people, people can't make it live. I'm assuming do you send them the, they can watch the thing later? Is that how that's okay? All right. And then follow her at Dr. Dr. Beverly. This might be one of my favorite conversations ever. Gina, you always say that. No, well. But I don't mind. See, it feels rewarding. My little mouse is going, yay. Okay, because it does matter. You know,

and some of us like it loud and proud and some of us, it's more quiet, isn't it? You think. Oh, that felt nice. So watch those. Lizard, mouse, and monkey, 10 to the three animals, because that's when we feel safe and when we can then, we can become whoever we want to become.

It sounds weird as fuck, but it makes sense. Okay, I love you. We got to go. Thanks, everyone. Listen to it. Listen to share. I don't know. If you got your groups,

your squads, tell everybody. This is why I'm, you know, I've been thinking about the subscription service. It should be more like a membership, right? This is where we're weight loss, wellness, navigating life. Oh, my gosh, there's so much to learn. And I so appreciate you sharing all of your knowledge with us. Thanks, Dr. Beverly David.

I appreciate you. Thank you. Okay. Bye, everyone. Bye-bye. Good.