The Livy Method Podcast - Guest Expert Live with Dr. Paul Hrkal - Winter 2026, Day 67

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

In this episode, Gina sits down with naturopathic doctor Dr. Paul Hrkal to talk about the very real “winter blues” many people feel as the seasons shift, especially in places like Canada, where dark days and unpredictable weather can take a toll. Together, they explore how light exposure, circadian rhythms, and seasonal changes affect mood, energy, and overall health. Dr. Paul also shares practical ways to support the body during this transition, from getting outside for natural light to considering immune-supporting adaptogens like medicinal mushrooms and herbs traditionally used during seasonal shifts. The conversation is equal parts science and practical advice, reminding listeners that improving health doesn’t happen through quick fixes, but by staying curious and building supportive habits one step at a time.Where to find Dr. Paul:Instagram: @drpaulhrkalwww.paulhrkalnd.com If you are in the Winter 2026 Support Group, you can check out the full video here:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2026To learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams for my 91 day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews, and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on ACAST, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon music. We're focusing on sustainable habits, not quick-fixing.

Is it an opportunity to get curious? We're here to help people get to their health goals. One piece of time. You build and build and build. Dr. Powell is back, and he's joining us from someplace that is hot and sunny. And we are all so jealous. But happy we're here. Thank you, Gina.

I couldn't miss it. I was like, yeah, I'm in Florida, but I still need to come on and chat. with Gina and your members. I'm excited. Okay. Can we just talk about that for a second? Because are we all just, I don't know, because you see people come in and talk to you about how they're feeling all the time. Of course, we've had the time change here. Um, you know, in Canada, it's like 15 degrees one minute and minus 26 the next and it just seems to go on forever. Is there a collective winter blah or just, uh, or just, is it just me? Is it just us here? Like, is there something going on with our bodies.

Like, how can we, we all just... No, you're, you're, what, what you're feeling is absolutely right. There is definitely the winter blues. The good news is that we're kind of coming out of it, Gina, because now things are, the days are getting longer. It's 5 p.m. and it's not pitch black outside, which is so depressing when the middle of the winter. And I keep, I keep telling patients that are coming in, lots of them are members that, you know

what people are now starting to come out of that winter hibernation mode when you get a chance now that the ice is off the sidewalks get outside and move your body and capitalize on yes unpredictable weather is there but the warmer weather the longer days uh so this is a really good time to kind of do something for your health and so i think actually it's an opportunity in canada despite it being cold that we can actually do something positive any supplements we can take to help our bodies adjust to spring or is there anything we should be doing besides just getting out walking should we be like intentional about getting sun on us like if right now in canada the sun is not an angle that we can get vitamin d but the light as i spoke about last time in our conversation is so important because

even though you're not making vitamin d the light coming into your eyes is turning on your circadian rhythm and that's why we actually feel so down it's not that we necessarily have a lot of of vitamin D, which definitely is a consideration. It's more so that we are in more darkness than light. And especially if we wake up and it's dark and then we go to work and we don't get outside. In the summer, it's warm. People want to get outside.

And that light is a cue. It's a signal to our body's sleep weight pattern to say, hey, it's time to wake up. And that translates to better energy. It translates to more dopamine, to feeling better, that serotonin surge. So it's not about a vitamin D at this point. It will be about vitamin D once we can get outside sometime in like May to September and get outside midday to get the angle of the sun. But that's to me the most practical thing.

You mentioned supplements. When I was in medical school, we learned about as naturopathic doctors about something called the change of season soup. Now this is an old thousand-year-old remedy who's used in treatment. traditional Asian medicine. And basically what they did is they mixed up all these adaptogens in this yucky, nasty tasting, like Chinese medicine elixir. They boiled it and then they drank it because they knew already just by observation,

pre-scientific modern research that people got sicker like with colds and flus and viruses when the temperature changed, Gina. So in the fall, the spring, we know this. This is the flu surges we're seeing at these times. And so when the temperature's all up and down like it is in Canada right now, it's really easy to succumb to these viruses because our immune system is not as sharp as it's changing these seasons. It's not as active. And so taking adaptogens.

So some of my favorites would be something like medicinal mushrooms like Rishi and Shataki. You can cook with these. You can make soups with these. You can take them as supplements. Shagga mushroom, which is grown in Canada, trees, estrangelis, it's a herb from Asia that's been long used for the support of the immune system. So a lot of these combination adaptogenic formulas have some of these herbs in it, but this is actually a little different than the ones that we talk about like Withania and Rodial.

So I wanted to do something new to everyone that's listening that wants to maybe support their immune system. I love, I forgot the shagga mushroom. I used to, that's the, that's the one that grows on birch trees. Yeah. Yeah. And a friend of mine who's into this kind of stuff gave me a chunk. And then you just put it in water and you make this, you know, god awful tea out of it. I used to drink that.

Well, I totally forgot about that. Listen, don't go into the wild and eat mushrooms. People did in looking into it. Who do we? We talked to our naturalopathic doctor. It's, you know, there's a lot. sad about like asheraganda and don't just take it because it can make you feel worse. But the time of day that you take it, like if you're someone who's wired and tired,

maybe don't take it at night, take it during the day. What do we need to know before we all run out and start picking our wild mushrooms or going to the health food store and grabbing every, you know, thing we can get? Yeah. So let's just review. Last time we spoke, I talked about Ashwaganda being a calming adaptogen. So this is great for people that are overstated. Even though they might be tired, but they're overstimulated.

Their cortisol is elevated. The symptoms of that, again, it's kind of like this frenetic but not well-balanced energy. Ashwagonda does better in the evening where something like rodeola, this is really good for morning because it helps support dopamine and has more of a mental stamina. Lots of good research on that on alertness. So those are the, those are two that I kind of use those examples on when you want to time them. There's a whole bunch of other ones like, you know, like something like cold effects, which I have no affiliation with whatsoever. But that's been around for decades.

And that basically is North American ginseng. And there's research showing that it does help with cognition. It does help with immunity. That's why it's actually marketed for colds. But this is that same type of family. So those types of medicinal mushrooms or medicinal herbs, I like to take them more in the morning, Gina, because they may have a bit of a stimulator. stimulatory effect. But if you're having them as a dietary kind of food, so if you're making

a great mushroom soup and you're putting in there, Chautauke mushrooms, you can get them organic at Costco, very affordable, cut them up. The hot water actually extracts the medicinal properties of them. So when you boil them, you're actually getting the medicinal compounds out. And the same thing is when you're looking at supplements in the health food store. It should say hot water extract. and that's how you know that it actually is a high quality extract. And then you can actually, you know, look for like a mushroom combination. A lot of companies have organic mushrooms, mushrooms grown in North America, that have hot water extracts that actually put a whole bunch of these research-based mushrooms.

Shataki, Mitaki, Rishi, Shaga, they mix it all into one and that kind of get the best of all the world. So that's kind of a general approach that people can look at. Okay. I love that. You picked my interest. I want to go back to this immune thing because one of our members was just talking about how she's been sick and she, you know, having a hard time getting back at it. So if you, what would you suggest for it to keep our, how would someone, how would being sick affect someone in terms of trying to eat better, lose weight, all of that? And then what can we do to offset that to keep our immune system strong? Is it, is it something we do or something we take or both? Yeah. You know what? I love this question because I actually talk about it with every single in my first and second consults with members because the thing that I always see is that people have a lot of success when they're on point, they're following, they're engaged, they're listening, and then things look at things that they experience, they can kind of torpedo their efforts, they can sabotage them. And that oftentimes is getting sick, getting injured, having a

stressor that is over and above what a person is able to cope with. So I kind of point out those three things and say, okay, you have home insurance, you have car insurance. Do you have health habit insurance in that sense? So have you thought about what are things that are going to sabotage your effort to lose this weight? Because when you're on plan, people are noticing, I'm feeling better, I'm losing weight. And then they'll say, you know, if you actually go and dig into stories, then they'll say,

oh, you know what, like this thing at work happened and oh my gosh, you're just like all went to crap, you know, like it's all gone. Right? That story repeats itself over and over. And one of those things is, I got the flu or I got a cold. So how do you still stay on plan when you're not feeling your best when stressors are a little bit higher? And so I think first of all is still focus on the fundamental principles because the research shows that following a diet that's low in insulin spiking foods and blood sugar spiking foods

is better for your immunity. Your immunity gets stronger. We found this out through COVID actually. And those people that avoided a lot of these protest kind of comfort foods, you know, even though we all want to eat them, like breads and cereals, people did better. They had a better immune system. They had a lower symptoms. So I think that's the simplest thing is that just stay the course. A lot of times people say, oh my gosh, I'm stressed, so therefore I have to go back to crappy habits. Why do we make that connect? That's not, that's really not helpful. Yeah, it's hard to get back.

I just, I'm smiling because I just talked to my daughter yesterday and she's like, oh, I'm sick again. I feel like I have strep throat. And I'm just like, because she's a student, she's in school. And I'm just like, stop eating the sugar. And she's like, I'm like, you're eating sugar, right? She's like, yeah, every time she mows on the sugar because she'll just like get it. And then she's a starving student, so went purposely on our part because she's got to learn the value of a dollar.

She's not in budget. But if she gets her hand on sugar, she'll like eat it. And then to the point where then she immediately is like feeling sick and whatever. I want to talk to you about how long it takes to make change because I just saw someone saying like I'm doing all the things that you said. And my, you know, I'm seeing some improvement, but like not fast enough. We'll talk about the timeline people. you know, people are here. They're trying to make change.

Let's talk about the timeline. Because I think things like when you get sick kind of, I don't set you back, but they kind of like, you have to take that into account. And then, well, do you hear this a lot? How come I'm not seeing change fast enough with your, with your clients? All the time. All the time. And I'll tell you, honestly, Gina, it is 100% an expectation vacuum.

So our expectations are up here. Yeah. I want to need this weight. I want to feel this way. and I started down here. And the first time they get into a program or even the fifth time they get in the program, they're expecting to go from here to there by the end of the program. That's just human nature, right?

We want to purchase something and we want the results. Like that's the way we're expected. But with the human body doesn't necessarily work that way. There are some people that reach this goal. But in a sense, though, if you reach your goal really fast, like, for example, the times that you did all those yo-yo crazy diets that we've learned that totally skis. screwed up your metabolism. Yeah.

That stuff doesn't stay. It doesn't stick. You actually didn't learn anything. So the message I want to tell all my, all my members and really everybody that's listening is change that last, Gina, is slow and steady, like the race between the tortoise and the hair. You want to lose a pound to half a pound a week. Now, if you have 50 pounds to lose, that's a long time.

But if you lose five pounds a week, you're in starting. motivation mode. If you're losing two pounds a week, you're, you're above what the research shows is sustainable. Now, you're going to be losing muscle mass at that point. So if we're reverse engineering this, what I often tell for my patients, and everyone here can listen to this as well, is that we need to change our expectations to not just be tied to a single outcome like a dress size or a number on a scale. Because a lot of that time is it's a little arbitrary because of there, you know, we want to get to a certain weight.

And that's a goal. Absolutely. But if we're not getting there at that rate, we need to be mindful enough to say, okay, what is improving? And am I, am I moving in the right direction? If you're losing a little bit of weight and you've lost maybe only 10 pounds in

the last three months, I still think that's really positive progress compared to maybe gaining 10 pounds. or not doing anything, right? Yeah. Sometimes there's a season of your life where it's about not gaining weight, given everything you got going on. Yes, it's work, but you're lucky you're not gaining weight

when normally you would be. This is a great compliment to what Dr. Beverly, David, was talking about with us, like while we get stuck and it's so hard because there is really no finish line. There's no finish line with this. I want to talk about that one to two pounds a week because a lot of times people think you have to lose

one to two pounds every week. Like you can lose what seems like five pounds in a week and it's not just the scales reflecting and then not lose anything for like a couple weeks after that, right? Like whenever I've talked to anyone who's lost a significant amount of weight, they're like, oh my gosh, that's a lot of weight. But it's taking them like a year. If they lose, you know, 50 pounds, 100 pounds. If it's 100 pounds, it's taken you a year, that's like one to two pounds per week on

on average. But maybe they went like a whole month or two without losing any, right? So I love the expectation. I started baking sourdough bread. Oh, God, I suck at it. And I hate sucking at it. And it's taking me a couple tries. And I'm just like my expectation was I'm going to be so amazing at this.

And I'm just going to bake bread. And it's going to be wonderful. And, ah. Well, just like anything, it takes time to learn. And, you know, this is, you know, a lot of people start this as a weight loss journey. But I look at this as like a health makeover journey where it's more than just a number. it's more than just losing inches. That is a big part.

But remember, that this is a symptom of an unhealthy person. And we want to be healthy in every way. And the learning, Gina, is teaching your body new habits. It's learning new skills. It's learning how to think about your health.

And ultimately, as Dr. Beverly said, you want to leave with a change in your mindset that you're now going to be healthy for the rest of your life. If you're looking for a quick fix, you're always going to be disappointed because you are going to have that expectation of I haven't reached the number. And that number always is what is the almighty gold here. But I want everyone to reflect on other factors and other goals that are not only number based, but also on health.

And that journey right now at your state, let's say your state in life, you may not be in a position to lose a lot of weight. Maybe right now your goal is to learn how to properly feed yourself and to properly think about food, breaking habits like eating late at night. You mentioned the question, what do I do when I get sick? What's the first thing that we do? We eat comfort foods. We eat sugary things. And then we'll end up, we stop working out. We stop being active.

What about just going from going to the gym to just doing some yoga sessions or stretching sessions at home? That's still moving your body. Yeah. But it's maybe not as intensive because you're dead tired. Absolutely. But don't change and revert back to unhealthiness when you're trying to be healthy. That's how you sustain. Ooh.

And unhealthy just isn't food. It's also not moving your body, not managing your stress, not trying to, you know, get better sleep, all of those things, right? Yeah, we eat late at night because we don't feel good about ourselves. I feel kind of off. So I'm like stuffing popcorn and other snacks in my face. I'm watching Netflix. I have light exposure late at night.

I don't get a good sleep. I take a couple extra glasses of alcohol. Like, you know, there's a thousand different ways that we kind of go back to doing things. But again, I'm not saying any of those things are horrible. No. As you said before, I'm saying they are anti your current goal. If your goal is to get to this health state, this body composition, this weight, then you got to be a hardcore to get there.

and then you can do a little bit of moderation. Like my tattoo, if I was to ever get one, would be everything is moderation. That was my like low slogan in university because I was always like, okay, a little bit here and there. But that's not going to work for somebody when they have a big goal to gain and to lose weight. Yeah, well, you know, the reasons why people gain weight back technically seem to be they don't give their body time to adjust to their new weight. That's a big one. And then they so go back to challenging it, go back on to old ways. Situational change.

Something happens in your life and you go back to coping mechanisms, indulging. Then there's this big downward spiral that happens and you build on that. And then you stop working out and you stop this, you stop that. You know, we're not being mindful. Like, you're just not aware of where you're at and what you need. And I don't just mean food-wise when you're going through grief or hard time or stress. So it's all about learning. It's all about learning.

What do you want to talk about that we never talk about? Is there supplements that we never talk about that you're like, these people shouldn't, these people, our people, our members should know. Is there like a mindset thing? We're week nine of the program rolling into week 10 next week. People start freaking out. Three weeks left. We have another one, of course, starting in April.

But what do you, anything you want to talk about that we never talk about or you want to talk more about? You know, actually this past three sessions, and this is our fourth one for this particular winter program, I feel like people's questions and your questions, you know, have done a great job. I feel like we've covered things like light therapy. And maybe, you know what, I'm a bit conflating that because Odette and the maintenance program, and I in the maintenance program, we had a fantastic conversation around that. Yes.

So that's why maybe I'm thinking I talked a bit more about. that than I did with these members. So I don't know. Did we talk about the whole thing about light and dark? I did touch on it just now. Just now, but people have been asking me because, O'Dette, so we have a maintenance program, everyone. And Dr. Paul, I guess, go and have separate conversations in our maintenance program around that. But people keep asking me for a red light recommendation.

And I'm thinking they're thinking the face mask. Is that what you're, what do you think about that? Is that what you're talking about? Yes, let's talk about that. Yeah, I've seen you on Instagram have a couple. of those little pictures where you have one of these lights on, right? Was that, okay. Yeah.

So, I mean, I want to ask you. Yeah. What's your experience with it? I'll tell you my thoughts in a second, but I just want to know, like, what your experience from a user endpoint is. Okay. So I went and got one because I'm, you know, getting older and I want to do everything as natural as possible.

Not, you know, I get some Botox and stuff. Like I want to, but, you know, I can tell I still can move my forehead. But I want to do what I can. And so I went and got one. Like, that wasn't cheap. And what I loved about it is that I was building on my routine. I don't know. Like I think my, I think I felt better afterwards, but it could have been the time I spent putting on the right creams and doing that. And I was also hydrating and like really coveting my my wind down routine.

And then I stopped and I haven't used it since. But I want to get back at it. But I don't know if it was the red light or like my face felt calmer. My face. My face. Fet felt calmer, but I don't know if it was the red light actually doing something for me, because I do believe in that, but or the routine. So that's my honest. I'm going to get back at it. I'm going to get back to doing it. But that's my honest routine. This is one of the things that is so common with these. I'll call them like kind of added bonus gizmos and gadgets. You have tech, right? Where, you know, tech is as good as you kind of use it. You know, I remember I bought a heartway variability like little monitor called heart math. And I used it

once and I didn't end up using it. So I mean like I feel I feel you on this. I do have a red light therapy box. I don't have the the face mask, but I do have like a little box that you can put it on spot treatments. You know, I think that the research on this this thing called photo biomodulation, which is the fancy word of kind of terming light therapy. You know, this is nothing do. I think the reason I'm here in the warm and the sun is that like I feel better when I'm exposed to sunlight. And sunlight is not just about vitamin D, G9. It's about the full spectrum of light. Yeah, I went out for a bike ride this morning. You get that natural light. Don't throw your sunglasses on right away when you get in the car. This can be, you don't need to be in a warm climate to get the

benefit of light. It's, everyone thinks of like sunshine, vitamin D. Vitamin D is a very narrow spectrum that we make really only during the daytime hours. So like from 10 to two or three, we're going to make vitamin D if we have our bodies exposed. You are not going to make vitamin D by wearing a long sleeve shirt or even like a t-shirt and pants. That's not enough and your face exposed. So when you're going on a walk, you're not really getting vitamin D unless you have shorts on, unless you have a tank top on or a t-shirt. That's important. Obviously, I'm not advocating for getting burnt. I think there's a, we talk about sleep hygiene, you also have to talk about sun hygiene. And so when the warmer months come, we'll talk about this in the spring sessions. I think it's really important to also not overexpose

yourself. And that's where you have the damaging effects. It's kind of like hormones, Gina. It's like everything in moderation, in the right amount, you can have perfectly balanced hormone. But if you have too much or too little, you get problems. The same with sunlight. You're going to have the same issues. Yeah. So, you know, back to the red light. In the evenings, a lot of times people are like, oh, I love to sit and look at the sunset. It's beautiful. I do think that, you know, being exposed to beautiful things

is something that's healing and therapeutic for human body, whether it's an art exhibit or whether it's the sun. People are attracted to that. But there's other things that are happening by you seeing that red light and by that red light being absorbed through your skin, it charges up your mitochondria. Now, if you haven't heard of that term, I hope some other people have mentioned it because I know I did,

but maybe people missed it. Your mitochondria are these little power plants inside of each one of your cells. And the sun, especially the red light spectrum, improves the ability for those mitochondria to produce energy. So when you breathe and when you eat, they basically end the fuel ends up in these mitochondria. They're your power plants. And when you have chronic fatigue and when you're sick, your mitochondria gets sluggish. So that's why sun is so grateful. your immune system because it helps charge up these mitochondria and helps you recover quicker.

So I use the red light therapy for delivering that red light to areas of soreness, two areas of injury to my face because it repairs your collagen. It repairs some of these kind of subcutaneous and cutaneous tissues as coverings. And I do think that there's something to it. I think the next level is therapeutic laser. So some people, I've had patients that have had brain injuries, we'll go and get laser therapy, and all of a sudden that makes a difference. Now, this is a totally different, much stronger, much more specific use of light, where sunlight, red light, and then laser is kind of on a bit of a spectrum. Oh, okay, I'm going to go right after this.

I'm going to use my red light. I'm cutting a certain time. There's a couple things I want to talk to you about. Someone's talking about, first of all, cholesterol, how since losing weight, their cholesterol is up, that actually can be very normal when someone loses weight for their cholesterol to go up. It can come back down. Also, menopause hormones, you go through menopause, my cholesterol was up. It's back down again.

People are talking about that. Parasite cleanse, candidas. You never talk about that. It seems like that's the fix for everything with other naturopathic doctors. and then hash on it. Okay, fine. Yeah, let's talk about it. I love these three.

Actually, that's kind of where I was going to go. I was going to talk about gut because that's one area that we touch on, Gina. And the reason that we don't really get a chance to dive deeper into the parasite cleanses and candida cleanses is because, you know, when we talk about those four reasons, we often spread that over two sessions because we're just so much information. People have so many good questions. Yeah. Okay. So in recent time, Instagram and everyone kind of is looking at, you know, what are some of these trends online? And parasite cleanse seems to be like one of these huge ones.

Like everything's a parasite. It's in every single sushi piece that you eat. It's in every single piece of pork that you eat. You know, you have to beware of everything. You know, I think in my experience, a lot of this is sensationalized. Now, Candida cleanses has nothing new. This was like the knock on naturopathic medicine when I was in that natural medical school because all the conventional doctors like,

I have patients that go see the few naturopaths that actually existed at that point. And they said, you know, they put me on a candida cleanse because they believe everything is candida. So I feel like it's like when you've been around long enough, you start seeing like things repeat themselves. It's popping up again. Like that's like you're in menopause,

do a candida cleanse. I'm like, um, I don't know. Yeah. So again, we know the microbiome is very complex. And, you know, I am not willing to say that the research or even my clinical experience shows that everyone needs to have a parasite candy to cleanse.

Everybody has parasites. I don't believe that. I've tested many people's actual stools. I've taken their poop, sent it to a lab, done this comprehensive testing on him. And the parasites are not as ubiquitous as everyone online is saying. So I actually do evidence-based testing to see if I can look at this. And there are some cases that people do come back positive, but those are the exception, Cheetah.

That is not the most important and main driving factor. A lot of times are the biggest thing I find is gut disruptive is actually our stressors. So many of my patients are like, when I'm more stressed, when I'm off my plan, my gut is worse. And that's the gut brain connection. I've lectured on this. I've talked about this. I've written on this.

This is such an important and overlooked connection. because we know that as soon as you start perceiving stress here, our gut lining within a couple hours starts getting leaky and permeable. And that now starts increasing the allergenicity of certain foods that you might be eating. That starts increasing the microbiome disruption, which is the actual bacteria. So I like to first look at, are you getting enough digestive enzymes? Let's support that with digestive bitters. So we do the basic protocol. And then things like probiotics and prebiotics, Are they helpful or harmful? If probiotics and prebiotics make you worse, Gina, that's a sign that you might have

some imbalance. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's like also like pinworms and kids, right? No one talks about that shit. Like it's rampant in schools and public schools all the time and no one's having a conversation. So I didn't want to like, you know, the whole parasite thing sounds like, oh my, yeah.

But okay. Thank you for that. I want to just talk real quickly for the Hashimoto's people because there was a couple and I can tell the music's coming in. Anything specific they can do, keep in mind doing the program. I know I want to get a couple of minutes for this. A couple things. Yeah, like selenium is one of the most important things. Like it's an autoimmune condition. And so selenium is an important mineral for your immune system. There's research showing there. Also like, you know, this is going to sound a little hokey, but alkalizing your body in which when you're eating greens and you're eating a lot of like

whole foods, you're going to already do that. Cutting out like, sugars, alcohol, beer, for example, super, like acidifying. That is, that is actually going to be more pro-inflammatory for those autoimmune patients because there's research showing just doing a little bit of baking soda, mixing a little bit of water before you go to bed, actually helps decrease those Hashimoto markers. So that's my little research tip that I'm going to share with those Hashimoto's patients, super expensive, super cheap, but actually can be quite effective.

And then actually gut health, Gina, you just mentioned it, you know, Because the immune system, so much of it is dictated by the way your gut health is, that's where your immune system learns what self, what's non-self. So if there's any gut issues, work on that. And then, yeah, that's probably a good place to start. Yeah, we could probably do a whole segment. We should do this next program. So many, so many things to talk about that.

I was actually going to say, like, that's actually one of the reasons, again, your cholesterol can go up after you start, you know, going to metapause, you're a little hash motors, if your thyroid's a little sluggish, your cholesterol levels right. So there's a lot of things that can raise cholesterol. And it doesn't necessarily mean it's a doomsday scenario. There's a lot of things you have to look at in blood work. And that's what I do with my patients. I look at the ratios of certain markers.

And even though their cholesterol might be high because you're eating more good fat, you're eating good quality fat, that's going to raise your cholesterol. So anyways, maybe I'll save that to another time because Jody's keeping us out. That is. That could be the difference though with someone who would go to their doctor. and we love doctors, of course. I'm not going to ever do with that way MD, but this is what naturalopathic doctors can do

is figure that out for people. Okay, I love this conversation. Yeah, so next group, we're going to, you know, we have our same, like, base conversations. I think next group, what we're going to do is create that resource library for our members. And then let's talk, let's get into all this other stuff. Like, I think the candy and a parasite thing

was the old conversation around microbiome, right? And it's just evolved so much. And I want to keep the conversation, evolving here. So, um, okay, I don't want to go, but we got to go. That's our cue. And you're in Florida. So you probably have other things to do, like get that vitamin D in that sun. Thanks, everyone who joined us live. Thank you all for all your questions. Yes, please do a live on the gut microbiome. Hi, Alfie. Uh, have a great day. Dr. Paul. Thank you. Hi, everybody. I'll see you again. Bye. Bye. Bye. Yep. Thanks.