The Livy Method Podcast - Guest Expert Live with Greg Macdonald - Winter 2026, Day 74

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

In this episode, Gina sits down with Bathorium founder Greg Macdonald for an honest conversation about self-care and why so many people wait until they feel run down to prioritize it. From the surprising impact of what’s actually in your bath water to the deeper connection between daily habits and overall well-being, the discussion highlights how small, intentional choices add up over time. Greg shares the personal story behind his brand and his mission to create more meaningful, restorative experiences, while Gina keeps it grounded in what matters most, building awareness, getting curious, and showing up for yourself in ways that actually support how you want to feel.How to find Greg and Bathorium:@livebathoriumbathorium.com@gregmacdYou can find the full video hosted at:www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2026To learn more about The Livy Method, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We're focusing on sustainable habits, not quick-fixing. Is it an opportunity to get curious? We're here to help people get to their health goals. One piece of time. You build and build and build. Well, this is the second time this week that I've showed up to work in my bathrobe. And I'm not mad at it. I'm not, look at, I got a nice, smelly candle.

I got my coffee. I got my roll of toilet paper because I feel like shitballs. But Greg McDonald is here today. a good friend of mine. Greg's joined us before. He's the founder of Bathorium, a bath brand that was inspired by a life-changing experience that he had in Italy. So I'm going to get him to share that with us. He has a passion for creating feel-good experiences. And since launching Bathorium in 2014, I didn't know it was like, 2000, you've been at this for a while. He's been on mission to elevate the bath. And we're talking like next level self-care, not just relaxing, but.

restorative and intentional. Hi, Greg. Honey, we're going through our 12 year of puberty. When you said it, I'm like, oh, it's 2026. God, I started this when I was 22 years old. Right. Listen, okay. You know, there's a couple things I want to talk to you about. One, why do we wait until we feel like shit to do any kind of self-care, like honestly?

The other was we had a good friend of mine. I don't know if you've met Dr. Sean Rice. He's like a plastic surgeon. and I don't know if you've had an opportunity to meet him. But we're talking about skincare and everyone wants to know what do I put on my body to get rid of my creepy skin, my loose skin, my stretch marks. How do I still look like I'm 20? I have to make sure I don't burn myself with this candle. And that got me thinking, we don't really give much thought to actually taking care of our skin in terms of like,

bathing and bathing and really being mindful of the kind of stuff that we're putting our body. and we care so much about the end result. But before the moisturizers, before the cleansers, there's probably a whole layer and level that we're missing with bathing. Totally. Yeah? Your skin is your largest organ. And I think really what people need to consider is your exposure time.

So you're in the bath for 20, 30 minutes. It's warm water. Our pores are open. We're absorbing a lot of what's in that bath water. Yeah. So I'm a huge advocate, obviously, on clean. And what does clean meat to bath? story was very different than what clean meets to some other brands. I think it's not a

regularative term. So when we look at like skin health, it's like looking at what's inside that product and and what's not in it, I think is a big factor today because we trust these brands, right? We trust the Johnson & Johnson because it's good for us and there's a medical symbol. But really looking at the Inky and looking at what's inside those products as we're soaking in it is really, you know, one of the one of the big things we've been fighting for 12, years advocating for people to really be educated of what's going on our body, especially in the bath and high exposure points like body lotion, body wash, and it's touching our body for extended time is, you know, you need to know what's in them and what to look for.

Well, we have Cynthia Lois joining us tomorrow. We're going to be talking about pleasure and joy, so we'll be talking, no doubt, about touching our bodies in a wholly different conversation. That's a separate conversation. That's a separate conversation. You know this. I moved into a home, a new home about my last house before this that I was renting. I think six of us were sharing one bathroom and they were like young kids and like, you know, early teens. So having a bath in that bathtub was not exactly what I thought was luxury nor self-care, especially they'd have to scrub it for about four hours before using it. I moved into my new home and in the primary bedroom, it had a beautiful bath.

I didn't use it. I didn't use it until after my conversation. with you that I actually start thinking about, you know, the bath as being something that's taking time for myself. Let's go back because we got a lot of members who this is the first time they're meeting you. Where did your love of self-care and, you know, the idea of a luxury bath first start for you? Well, I think to rewind the clocks, like growing up, I didn't have a lot of privacy. I had three brothers in a multi-generational household and the place I got to find quiet and peace as a, you know, eight-year-old or a 10-year-old, 12-year-old boy was really the bath. And it was something that I discovered very early on where, you know, it's self-care,

but at 12 years old you don't know what self-care means. Yeah. And so I love taking baths from such an early age, but I didn't know what I was putting inside, or didn't care what I was putting in the bath water. I just used whatever my mom had the, I'd steal my mom's little bath beads and her bath salts. Yeah, the round ones. My grandma always had them. I don't, she always said them like, I remember it was like on the side of the sink or something,

not like the bad thing. She put them there because they smelt. Like they were so smelly. And I love the idea. Yeah. I love the idea having a bath, but you put those oily little beads in. And it's like you're, I remember your, your skin like, it was sticky after you got out of that. It's nice.

Oh, terrifying. People ask you to do bath. So I'm like, I would never touch a bath bead or give it to my worst enemy. Anyway, so I love bass, and then when I was 22 years old, I was actually bartending here in Toronto. And I left to go backpack Europe, end up in Italy. And when I was there, I checked into this woman's home. And she had a bunch of different travelers, but we shared one bathroom. Yeah.

And bathroom, she had this beautiful tub and it was underneath the window in Positano. And she came in as I was checking out the lay of the land. And she said, would you like me to draw you a bath? and she was like 80, nine years. I was going to say, did that, would that seem a little weird at the time? But okay, she was like 80 something. I was in hospital showers the previous six weeks. So I was like, yeah, I love a bath.

And she starts making me this tub and she's adding in different like oils and clays and dried flowers. And she had this block of cocoa butter and a cheese grater. And she was grating under the hot running water. And I got into this bath and it was like my Oprah aha moment where I had never experienced a bath. like that. And when I came back to Canada, people kept asking, like, how was Italy? How was your trip? And I kept hearkening back on this bath experience. And that was what launched me into discovering what was in the bath that day and what was in the bath. I think that's something that I really just became obsessed about and talking to people about their bath experience. And what I learned really quickly in 2014

is that the industry was very dirty. Like the amount of, ingredients that were in, these bath products were alarming. And as I got deeper and talked with experts and chemists and holistic practitioners and OBGYNs, and it's like these common threads appeared of, you know, what you should be using in the bath and what should you be avoiding. But there was a brand out there that was doing it, right? That was doing a clean bath soak that could be efficacious and good for you, but also be decadent and luxurious and experiential. And that's really where a bathorium intersects and where we are today. I love that.

Because before we keep going, people are just saying the live feed is a little bit staticies. So I don't know if you can kind of move over a little bit towards your mic. I'm kind of moving a bit, Greg, and see if that helps. Yeah. Is that bad at all? I don't know. We'll see. Jody will fix it.

It'll be okay in post. Just auto-tune me with AI. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get the team to go do a whole. It seems to be a Facebook issue. Whatever. as is. Let's talk about your products because Greg and I have done segments before. And so I checked into

the Shangri-La and Greg had a whole set up for a bath session that we were doing. And there was like milk, coconut milk and oat milk, I think, in it. And I was like, even Tony was like, you're going to have a bath with like milk in it and oat milk or coconut milk. Like, can we just like, what is the benefit of that? Can we just talk about that besides the fact that? Smelt beautiful. We had orange slices and grapefruit. And I think like besides the fact it smelled great, is there a benefit to to having like a milk bath? I mean, the benefit really comes from the minerals, the essential oils, the oils, that's good for your skin. It's good for your muscles. The things like the orange slices and adding in the milk, I mean, you could say the milk has lactic

acid. Sure, it's an exfoliant. The oranges smell nice and have absorbic acid, sure. But really, it's really just you feel decadent, you feel like you are indulging, you feel like Cleopatra. I mean, I also call myself a bath maximalist. Like, you know, because there's skin care maximus, which I'm, which I'm, is that as well, where like there's no, not, like, the limit does not exist for how many serums I will put on this large forehead. And in the bath, it's the same. It's like, I use Bathorian products, but I also add things like brood Lapsung-Sucheng tea,

or I'll do a liter of fresh goat's milk because you know what life's too short and it feels good and it feels like I'm in this like realm like it's like I'm a spa treatment and so we wanted to treat you like that we wanted you to experience the cleopatroness of it all actually and I have to say I was because like I have like I'm like the same at the hairdresser or I go to the hairdress I'm like hurry up I don't want like I don't well I'll take a cappuccino I'll take a coffee but the same time like just I don't have time for this I have a million things to do. And after that bath experience, Tony's like, you're still in there? I'm like, yeah.

Like, I live here now. I live here now. And I couldn't stop myself from thinking, oh, my God, this is going to be messy. But it actually was very easy to kind of swoosh up afterwards. And it was a very luxury experience. And since then, it's been a game changer in terms of like how I view a bath. And when I start to feel stressed or run down, I'm like, okay, let me have a bath. Sometimes I'll just put some music on.

Sometimes I'll watch a bath. Netflix show. But I think it's preparing, it's like a routine or a ritual of preparing this moment for yourself or you're like self-realization and recognizing, okay, I really need some me time, which is not going to the grocery store, which is not running errands. And it's like, you know, most people have a bath. And if you don't, I know you started, did you create shower bombs, things you put in your shower? Like, do people use those? We have shower steamers through our sister. A doctor's pathologist. We just give you that like aromatherapy experience yeah but i mean also baths could be like you know it's not

selling bathorian but it's also immersing so it's like sound bathing forest bathing anything like anytime you're pulling yourself from your daily routine and immersing yourself into a sensorial experience so for me i love sound bathing and it's something to where you can do it as a maximalist and you can go to a retreat and you know sound bowls and all that wonderfulness or there's a Spotify playlist that you can put on your AirPods and go for a walk and it's low vibration sound frequency. So bathing as a term, I think people think, oh, I have a bath, I can't do it. There's ways to do bathing where, yes, obviously, you're not going to gain the beautiful magnesium and all those things for sound bath, but you're just disassociating with your current routine of, oh, I'm going to

open up a bottle of wine and watch net. I'm actually going to walk and just change up my evening routine. And that's really where bathorium, what we believe in, is not just the bath. It's bathing as a whole. So when you say sound bath, you don't actually mean sitting in the bath and listening to sound, which obviously you can do. But if you could just lie there quietly on your bed or in a chair, a lot of people are saying, I can't get in a bath. They have bad knees, whatever.

You can sit in a chair and just bathe yourself with sound, maybe light a candle, focus on your breath. You want to search for, it's called Tibetan Singing Bowls. or low vibration sound frequency baths. There's a lot of different playlist, there's YouTube videos. And really what it is, it's just the vibrations of these bowls or these vases or these vessels. And then it's these practitioners who can play these sound bowls. They do it in this way that really creates this like, you know, harmonious meditation.

And it's wonderful. And I really only got into this a few years ago, a sound bathing. And for me, it's a great way when I'm stressed. I can like zen out. And I don't know about you, Gina, but like, I can. can't turn off. I'm like, oh, I'm going to go for a walk and turn off. It's like all I'm thinking about is what's next, what I'm doing, the meeting, the conversation, the new hire, you know, you know, but it's when I'm sound bathing. I find I can actually go numb. Like I feel like I can go,

I can turn off. And that for me was a really great way because we all say we meditate, but it's hard. Meditation is hard. I'm sure you're an expert over here. Do you hear that? Sorry. I was saying totally distracted. I'm like, I got to find a sound bath playlist. Do you have some that you recommend? Yeah, we actually go to Bathorium Spotify account. We have vibration sound frequency bass. You can also do it in the tub. I call it the blackout bath.

So I have a window in my bath. So I put like the curtains down, towel under the door, no candles, no light. And I do the low vibration sound frequency. I use lots of Hanokey, which is one of our magnesium flake products. And I like, I call it transcending. And I'll be there for like two hours. And when you have your other senses diminish, like, sight, you know, you really pick up the sound. You pick up the feeling of all that wonderful

magnesium release in lactic acid in our muscles. Yeah. That's a blackout bath. Yes. Which I recommend. Well, I was going to say, you know, we all take our magnesium teas at night, but a great way for magnesium is absorbed through your skin by having a bath. I love the Honoki. I have the Honokey. I have the oat. I also have the milk, the mineral bath. And I try to, like, when I'm sick, I really like this. I'm right. I'm right. down the Hanokey is the one. And again, we're not here to sell bath products, but they are amazing bath products because they're not your grandma's bath beads. What have you learned? You've talked to so many women people about self-care and about what have you learned in the last,

how many, 12 years? What have you learned about it in the last 12 years? Well, you know, I don't know if this is a shock to you or your audience, but I'm a gay man. And so the one is the one's The one is at the vagina were something I never thought I'd become an expert in. And I think really what I've learned is vaginal health is so correlated to people with their bath products and body products. And I think, too, it's the education piece when, you know, bathroom is pH balance. We do that for a reason because our body, like, we're naturally acidic. Our vaginas are our vaginas are naturally self-cleading, self-regulating.

So when you're using products that are not pH balance, that are too acidic, or too alkaline, especially in high exposure, like a bath, over time, that can really disrupt that microbiome and that can cause like irritation and vaginaldriness. So what I've learned really is a lot of women thought, oh, I can't take bath because I'm sensitive. I've got sensitivities. But it's products they were using. It's not using products that are properly formulated for women's health. And that's really where I love hearing when we do activations or read our reviews, is women coming to us saying, I discovered the love of the bath again, thank you. And that for me is like it fills my cup.

I've got a whole team of women, bathroom's whole staff, other me and one of other gentlemen are women. And I think being so immersed into the industry of these were built, I'm pretty sure, by men, for women, these other brands. Like, why do it's fragrance? Like, fragrance can be thousands of chemicals that are all undisclosed. And we put that into our bath products, into our body lotion, into our body wash.

And those are really quite terrifying things that I've learned, you know, talking with these experts and going through 12 years of R&D with our product in the industry. And, you know, in this whole world of perimetopause and metapause, as you know, Bathorium is really getting entrenched in. And, you know, in paramedopause or metapause, like you're losing, your estrogen levels are declining. Your pH is changing.

So a lot of women are discovering sensitivities during this time that they didn't have before. And it's, again, because the pH is changing. So you really want to make sure that any product you're using, it is pH balance. If you're not sure, you can contact the brand. And that means like lotions, body washes because when that touches your tiki, it's going to burn. I was thinking about your mom, Darlene, who's a mother, who's a little lizard. Hi, hi, Dar. How are you, hon?

What do you think of all of this? You must be like, oh, my son, great. I'm so proud, but do you have conversations with her about the bath? Well, I asked her, I'm like, you know, the word teaky, because she told me that's what a vagina was until I was about 15 years old. It was like, there's penises and there's teakies. So I said, Mom, I really wish I had the birds of the beast talk. It would have saved me a lot of, a lot of hard conversations in my teens.

Yeah, you know, I talked to her a lot about, you know, what is for herself. It's a whole other meeting to a tiki bar, I guess, eh? who the tea bar. Exactly. I don't lose this tea bar so often. I asked, like, what is self-care to you? She had four boys.

She had no time for self-care. Are you kidding? Yeah. And I think it's for her, it's like now in her 60s, she's discovering what this is, this world of spa and relaxation and just time for herself.

And obviously, you know, she's drinking more water than ever. Yeah, because of you. And but she's loving it. And now she's living her best life. And I think that's something that, But, you know, we're all so busy. And we all can make a million excuses of why.

We don't do self-care. Oh, I've got XYZ. I've got soccer practice. I've got that, da, da, da, that. But, you know, we're only the best version for everyone else around us if you're the best version of yourself. And for me, that's my non-negotiables. That's my evening bath.

That's my morning walk and Barry's boot camp with Charlie, except today. Because it's you. And I'm in Telgary now. It's at 7 a.m. But normally that's my non-negotiables. And that's why I show up for my team, my friends, my family. is being the best version. So that's how I interpret it. Yeah, we love a good non-negotiable. We love that. And we don't think of taking a bath or self-care or a sound bath or just making time for yourself as really,

you know, I don't, like, we just don't do that in terms of scheduling it in. You scheduled your workout in, but we, like, I don't want to take a bath when I feel like I need it, right? When I'm just feeling run down or burnt out or even Tony will be like, why don't you go have a bath? It's the only time I do it. We don't think of scheduling our self-care. A couple of questions about bath temperature. Have you learned, like, what is the, what do you like, do turn it on so hot where we're tiptoeing in? Do you add more hot later? Like, is there a science behind the temperature of our bath at all? I mean, there's definitely like an optimal temperature. So 100 degrees is really where you want to land. There's really great bath thermometers. We sell them on actually Bathorium in our little Charlie collection because of bathwater is so important. Oh, yeah, you're featured on Oprah's favorite things. Your, yeah, congratulations on that, by the way. Thank you so much. Thank you. But yeah, bath temperature is very important because if it's too hot,

you can then like sweat and it can cause a lot more discomfort. It can dry out your skin. So 100 degrees is really good. It's kind of where you want to land. I also love like a hot cold therapy. So sometimes I'll have hotter bath, like a 101, 102 and I'll run the tap of cold water and I'll like put my head underneath that, let the cold water put my scalp or I'll go into the shower. Like I have to separate so you can go hot bath into like a cold shower, then back into the bath. I love that like off the Nordic cycle. Again, maximalist. And we're also in a water.

You have a lot of Calgarians. We're in a water conservation time right now. So I have to keep that a little shorter than normal. But yeah, I mean, temperature, yeah, the thermometer is what I recommend is changed my game because you also don't. Sometimes you've not used to your tap. It can get too hot and then I can ruin your bath really quick if you're like schitzing. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Too hot. I never thought about going from the bath into the shower. Because I do. I'm in my bath and then I get too hot. I don't know if it's like a hot flash menopause thing. I'm getting too hot. And then I get irritated. And I'm like I'd like to stay in here longer. But and then I get antsy. And then I'm up on like my knees. I'm sitting out of it for a bit. I never thought about having the cold shower. Or have like a glass of cold water. And then just like drip it down. You're like, uh, she'll listen on. But like you do this. And you pour the cold water so slowly over your scalp. And that cools you down really quickly. Like temperature at your head and scalp and neck is what can cool your whole body. very quickly. Or a cold towel, like putting that on your back, like any kind of like hot cold therapy is really wonderful. It's great for blood circulation. It's great for just, again, bringing cortisol levels down.

The hot cold can. Yeah, I was going to ask because, you know, they had us all cold plunging at one point. And then we realized it's not really the best thing for women, especially in menopause to be cold plunging. You must, you look into the science behind this. I mean, you must be looking at science and studies and, like, the benefits scientifically behind baths. Yeah. Yeah, really the science comes from, A, how much you can absorb in the tub. So like

things like magnesium, that's a mineral that we can absorb easily, transdermally. You can't absorb some minerals. So you see products that are like, you know, this has got iron. And this is it, all these minerals. That's wonderful, but actually can't absorb into your bloodstream. Yeah. So we're looking at like what minerals, what ingredients can use in the tub that absorb. And also in science, it's like looking at surfactants. So a surfactant is a bubbling agent. So like your shampoo, your conditioner, your bubble bath. It has a surfactant in it. That's what creates big bubbles.

And there's really good ones and there's really not so good ones. And I think that's where we spend a lot of our time in R&D is looking at what ingredients are coming out that we can use a bathorium that are safe and that actually are benefit based. That's why everything in a bathorium soap is benefit based. Like we don't have things for the sake of like we want blue. So we're going to add in the da-da. It uses butter flour, which is hiding in the oxidants. and it creates a beautiful color therapy bath, but it's good for you.

And same with when we look at our surfactin, we use what's called Sodermol sulfoacetate. And why that's important is like SLS, which is Sodermol sulfate, it's in everything. It's in like our tide pods. It's in our donned dish soap. It's in our shampoo, our conditioner.

It works. It strips. But what it is, it's like a cleaning agent. So it's great for your dishes and it's great for like hand wash, obviously. It's not so good to be soaking in

because it can remove the lipid layer of your skin. It can remove all that wonderful nutrients and things that are on our skin. So we use it called Sordidylyl sulfacetate. And basically, it's just a larger molecular size that it does the same feature. It gives you those big creamy bubbles, but it's skin softening, it binds the oils to the water, how's all this wonderful ingredients? So that's where we really spend our R&D time is like the new ingredients and what's coming out there in the market because obviously we're always evolving. We're never permanent. We're always looking at like what is the best ingredient that we can use this new formula?

or an improved old formulation to make it even better. So that's where I spend a lot of my time. I think that's brilliant because we don't really, we think of our skin. There's our face skin and we're spending all this money on these expensive face creams. And meanwhile, our body skin is dry or we're using whatever lotion and potion is cheap from the store. Like we're not really thinking about like, okay, let's start with a bath and taking care of our skin. One of the, one of the questions that people are talking about having a whirlpool bathtub. and they hesitant to put anything other than Epsom salts in it that could void a warranty should

anything go wrong. Any thoughts on that? You can, any new age world pool, so I think from like 96 on are all airblowers, you're totally fine. You can use Bathorian products. Where we avoid is if you have one of those motor spinners, like it's kind of the older vintage ones that have like a blade that propels the water in. You don't avoid that because that can build up over time. Things like our colloidal oat, some of our like cocoa butteres and man. butter, like that can build up. But if it's an air blower, there's no risk. We did a question all time, though, about hot tubs outside. Yeah. No. You're not in your hot tub. You know, that pH is

very different. Like, you have to keep that at a certain level so it doesn't breed bacteria. You don't drain that hot tub after every use. So yes, on indoor world pools, no on outdoor hot tubs. All right. How many times a week should you bath? I mean, there's also sound bathing. Like, this conversation is meant to get you thinking about how often are you actually scheduling in time for you in terms of self-care, whether it's your ritual routine at night, you know, with your creamies on your face or whatever, how are you taking care of your body skin? I like call it, like the rest of your skin. But what's a like how is there so much, is there such a thing as too much bathing? You're asking me if there's too much time. No, I mean, it's also about like what you can

afford, like how much time can you afford to do this? I collect other parts of your life. As I mentioned before, it's like being the best version. I personally bathe in the mornings. Like, I love a good morning bath. For me, it's like, it's great to start the day. I have my coffee. I'll bring electronics into a morning bath.

I'll bring my phone because I love to like get a head start on my day. But at night, it's like no electronics and it's a very different vibe. So, you know, it's really about what you're trying to get out of the bath. And like, you're sick right now. So it's like bathing for you. could be great because you can actually use a high magnesium bath. You can use ingredients that have like ginger and white mustard. Like you should use our power.

It's like a really great medicinal bath. It's called what? Golden Hour. It uses like turmeric and mustard and ginger and yellow clay. It's really more like that medicinal herbie bath. But that's great because that can also like that you can expe you can expel quite a bit when you're sick. So yeah, I think it's like there's not too much bathing. but it's definitely like what you can pull out in a week.

And yeah, there's sound bathing, there's forest bathing. It's immersive. Well, I just, I saw Helen here, mustard powder. When you say mustard, mustard powder and baking soda equal parts. Well, there you go. You can make your own or you can buy Greg's. You're actually going to give us a discount. I hate saying discount code because we're not trying to discount anything.

Your products are amazing. Again, we're also not trying to sell anything, but Greg has amazing products. he's going to give us a 20% off-site. Why? The whole site. The whole side, honey, including when you mentioned, like, other products, like we have a site called brands we love within Bathorium. And so we really aligned with other brands and have the same formulation standards as Bathorium.

No synthetic fragrances, color and pH balance, good for you. And we carry them on our site. And it's very, we choose kind of those heroes. And I know you love a few of those brands like Sahajan and Sidia. Like, we carry them. Yes. Greg hooked me up with Sahajan. And that's that creamy face oil that I'm using.

Oh, you can get a discount. That's my favorite lip balm. Have you had the lip on yet? Yeah. The vanilla lip balm. Yeah, that face wash, the oil face wash. I showed it on my Instagram account. So you can use that for a code off of this.

On bathorium.com. We carry a few of these products. And again, this allows you to really round out that ritual. So you're using products that are all good for you, from your wash to your lotion, to your shampoo. I love that. We burn. Very important. important whole other conversation on the day. Well, there's a Teresa. I guarantee we will be having a

bath tonight. Tonight, I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to have a bath. I'm going to have a bath. Right now. It's going to be a tub tonight. Yeah. I'm going to, yeah. Yeah. You can go, you can follow Greg and his team over at live bathorium on Instagram. Can we just pull up the website one more time, Jody, Bathorium.com. Use the code Gina, all caps 20 per 20% off. So I adore you. And I know you truly have, I mean, you've been doing it forever.

So I know you have a passion for self-care. I appreciate you in the conversation. Sorry, Facebook was a fucking asshole today, being super glitchy, of course. But if you watch or listen to the replay, you're not noticing because the audio is probably fine. But thanks, Craig. Thank you, Gina.

Hey, where are you going to be? You're going to be doing anything? You got anything coming up? Well, we leave to Las Vegas in two weeks for our biggest B-to-B conference, but I'm in Calgary. So I'm just, you know, in the mountains, hiking with my dog. That's what you can find me. I got to make my way out to Calgary. You do.

Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'll make a date. All right. Thanks, everyone. Have a great rest of your day. Thanks, Greg.

I appreciate you.