The Livy Method Podcast - Hormones and Weight Loss - Part 2 with Dr. Olinca Trejo - Winter 2025

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

In this Guest Expert episode, Gina and Dr. Olinca continue their deep and insightful conversation about hormones, metabolism, and weight loss. They break down how small, consistent changes can lead to big results, why women are more prone to thyroid issues than men, and the crucial role the thyroid plays in weight regulation. They also explore how metabolism works, the impact of growth hormones on muscle mass, and why stress and sleep are non-negotiables for insulin balance. Plus, they discuss the long-term effects of yo-yo dieting and why healing takes time. Stick around until the end as they connect the dots—how all the “unsexy” daily habits truly add up to real change over time.Find Dr. Olinca:@[e-mail] can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2025To learn more about the Livy Method or to sign up for the Spring 2025 Program, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Keep believing in yourself and keep trusting the process. Just be patient. We are back talking hormones and a weight loss with Dr. Alinka Trejo. Do not go another day trying to lose weight without listening to not just this conversation, but part one of the conversation that we had on Tuesday, it is now stored in the guides in the winter weight loss program and available as a podcast on the Libby Method podcast. I don't even know where to start. You blew my mind. I mean, it's not like it was information I didn't know, but you just, you shared it in a way that I think validated. I mean, I cried at the end of that. I've been helping people lose weight for 30 years.

I've had a lot of incredible conversations. I cried at the end of it. And I was thinking after why, and I think because one, it validated all the hard work that people have put into trying to lose weight. It validated all their frustrations. It validated, I mean, the fact that they're so amazing, you know, continuing to show up eight weeks into our weight loss program, you know, even when they're not seeing the results on the scale, those results are coming. But most importantly, I believe it gave people hope.

Hope that their hard work will pay off. Hope that they are going to reach their weight loss goals. Anyway, hi, welcome back, thank you. Oh, hi, good morning. I am so excited to be here. And you have to know that I actually got so emotional to watch you get emotional that after we hung up our call, I went downstairs and I was like, buh!

Because honestly, it just just it makes me so I feel it's such a privilege to be able to share what we share every day, right. And to help people not give up on their journey and just to inject a little bit of that hope and the joy and the like, I am doing, I am doing all of the things and I, which that I don't take for granted. Um, and so there were a lot of happy tears, you guys, um, and maybe there will be some again today, but we are both just so excited that you're here with us today. They were emotional. Plus we were geeking out on the science of it all. Uh, hormones are complicated, but they, you know, I started up the conversation saying yesterday

that really it's not what you are eating and when, it's not calories in versus calories out. It's this complex system of hormones that you have in your body, whether it's your cortisol, cause your stress levels are high, your insulin, your hunger hormones, your like there's so many different hormones and it's a complicated conversation.

So I think doctors are not having it with their patients. Professionals are not having it in those 30 second clips or reels on social media. It's a lot of information, but you have a beautiful way of breaking it down in a way that makes sense. So step one, everyone, seek out part one of this. And then maybe just a quick summary on what we touched on yesterday, just to kind of round out that conversation. What did we talk about yesterday?

Where are we there? Okay. So the first thing that we tried to get across was truly that our weight is greatly affected by a number of things, including psychology, medical condition, medical conditions, behaviors, genetics, gut bacteria, but more than anything, hormones, right? And so whether or not your body tends to accumulate fat tissue or not, or whether or not you have food cravings or not is determined by hormones and physiology, not by well power. That's truly the message we're trying to get across. And the focus of the first conversation that we had was truly about how hormones impact

hunger and satiety more than anything, and then our food choices. And today we're going to talk a little bit more about the hormones that impact your metabolism and how your body stores fat and where that fat goes. And a little bit of that is gonna, I'm gonna try to loop it back also with how that also impacts your hunger and satiety and your appetite so that you walk away feeling like, oh my God, all of these things are interconnected.

And when I try to focus on my sleep, I'm not just focusing on my leptin and my ghrelin, I'm also focusing on my growth hormone, which is going to directly impact my thyroid, which is going to greatly impact my testosterone, which is... And so what we truly want you to get from this is all of the little tiny choices that are not sexy that you're making that you don't think are making a profound impact are because that's actually what's directing your

orchestra of hormones and helping them all play in tune at the same time to the same beat. Okay let's go we're going to start with this conversation. Okay what do we say okay I you know I was saying this backstage, but I was like, don't let me just focus on menopause. I'm going to try to talk about everything else. And so if we're going to talk about metabolism first, I think that we should start talking about your thyroid and your growth hormone and they kind of feed into each other. I'm going to try to keep it short. But the reason why I want to start there is because you probably have heard this before with working through your clients, but our

patients come into our office and they're like, I know it's my thyroid. I cannot lose weight and I know it's my thyroid. And listen, we're not saying that it can't be your thyroid, but it most often isn't. And I'll tell you why. So your thyroid is actually very complicated, but your thyroid is really critical when you're an infant for brain development, but for your entire life, it's mainly responsible for controlling the speed of your body's metabolism. And it directly impacts weight by controlling how your body breaks down or burns calories and stores fat and then manages energy. And it really comes up by like four things really. It increases your metabolic rate. It impacts how you break down fat and carbohydrates that you have available.

It regulates muscle mass. It's not the only thing that regulates muscle mass, but that's actually a key component of why your thyroid impacts your metabolism. And it influences water retention. And so the hard thing about thyroid is that most often what we test in medicine is not actually a thyroid that's direct, that's produced by your thyroid, it's actually a hormone that's produced by your brain that stimulates your thyroid. It's actually called thyroid stimulating hormone. And so often people get really frustrated because they come in and as you know, normal is not optimal. We have these giant ranges in medicine. And so your thyroid stimulating hormone can be normal from like 0.5 to like now we've changed the guidelines so far. And you know, there's an optimal range for sure that we have that's ideally in

about like 2.5. But there's a lot of talk about how it has to be way lower and way lower. And that's not necessarily true, because we also know that if we replete thyroid hormone, if your thyroid is off, you actually don't lose that much weight, You lose about only five to 10 pounds, which is mostly water retention, right? Because that's actually what thyroid has a really big role in. And so it's not that thyroid hormone or repleting thyroid hormone or supporting your thyroid hormone

with things like zinc and selenium and iron and all of the beautiful things that it needs to work on, to work properly, don't work, it's just that it's not the be all and end all when it comes to metabolism and the way that people sell it on social media. Yes. Yeah, well, because people will come in, first of all, we talked about this yesterday, people come into the living method weight loss program, they're like, I have hormonal issues, am I going to be able to lose weight? And you know, like, where do you start? Is it, is your thyroid, insulin, cortisol? Is it, are you in menopause? Are you aging? What are you talking about?

The living method works for everybody. And people with thyroid issues are always surprised that they're able to lose weights and the decreased medications even. And that's because of all the little things that people are doing or adding up and making a big difference. Why does it seem like it's just women that have thyroid issues? Oh, great question. So Aiden, statistically speaking,

women are about twice as likely to develop a thyroid condition over their lifetime than men. And I think if I'm not wrong in North America, it's somewhere like one in every five women over the course of their lifetime, right? And about one in every 10 men. And I think if I'm not wrong in North America, it's somewhere like one in every five women over the course of their lifetime, right? And about one in every 10 men. And through in women, often these conditions tend to be diagnosed around the time of huge hormonal changes, because they're all connected, right? Puberty, pregnancy, menopause, and the most common condition of that is actually called Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which is just kind of like an autoimmune attack on your thyroid that your

own body is producing. And I, you know, looking back to the method and like, why I think it works so well is because if we circle back to the fact that the one thing that we focus on medicine is measuring your thyroid stimulating hormone that comes from your brain and not truly understanding then what your thyroid produces. A lot of what your thyroid produces and how your body's able to use your thyroid hormones, because if you remember back to Tuesday, we talked about how hormones are these chemical messengers that act as like a key unlock system, right? There's only like a very specific key to a very specific lock that opens the lock. And so with thyroid hormone,

your body actually produces two thyroid hormones, but only one of them is active. And in order for your body to activate your thyroid hormones, you need a lot of nutrients that our standard North American diet is actually very deficient in. And so when you start eating the way that you're eating, you start reducing your cortisol,

you start working on all of these things that greatly impact thyroid, all of a sudden your thyroid's like, oh God, I don't actually, I can work on my own. Thanks so much, but we can reduce this hormone. So I know people with thyroid issues are probably glued to this conversation, but how, people who haven't been diagnosed

thyroid issues in a nutshell, how is their thyroid impacting their weight? Yeah. So your thyroid, because it regulates your basal metabolic rate, which is just kind of like how many calories are burning at rest. And it also has a small impact on your appetite, but because it impacts how your body breaks down fats and carbohydrates and it has an impact on muscle mass. It's going to, again, we don't love focusing on calories here, but it's going to regulate to an extent how much you're burning of what you're eating

because of the impact that it has on all of those things. I think so many people dismiss thyroid unless they're diagnosed with a thyroid issue. And this is when people are having a hard time lose weight, they especially women in menopause immediately go to it must be my thyroid. When in reality, it's probably like you're just your stress levels are through the roof, you're not sleeping, your body is just so like burnt out. And so we're talking how we're talking thyroid because thyroid directly regulates metabolism. So people hear the word metabolism a lot when it comes in. And now

everyone's saying the whole world has a metabolic issue. And this is why people can lose weight. What is metabolism and then what do we do about it? Yeah, so your metabolism is really how your body uses what you are eating as fuel and how quickly it goes through that. That's probably the simplest, it's your furnace. That's probably the quickest way to think about it. And I think that just the way that people can often forget about, like you were saying, thyroid and the role and all of those things, I think that often we don't give

enough credit to all of the things that can indirectly balance these hormones without directly touching them. Like if you think that you have a thyroid condition and your levels look perfect or not bad enough, it might actually not be your thyroid, it's something else, right? Like we're talking about nutrient deficiencies or it can be cortisol,

or it can be for sure when we go through that menopause transition, these things tweak. And so it's not that we don't believe you that it might be your thyroid, but it might not be that you need thyroid medication to balance out your thyroid. It might just be that your thyroid thyroid medication to balance out your thyroid. It might just be that your thyroid is not working effectively and efficiently. Your metabolism is not burning

the things that it's supposed to at the rate that it's supposed to. Not because your thyroid is not working properly, but because there's an underlying cause that legitimately can be your gut health. There's so many things that it can be. And so this conversation hopefully allows you to understand that just because you go to the doctor and they're like, your TSH is 1.5, like it's not your thyroid, and you still feel like it's your thyroid, it can feel so invalidating. But this conversation is meant to validate the like, oh, yeah, it is probably my thyroid, but it's not that I need thyroid medication, is that I actually need to focus on all of these other things to help my metabolism so that my thyroid actually works properly and that conversion of these hormones is

optimal. Yeah and your metabolism like it doesn't naturally slow down as you get older, it slows down because of things that you're doing, high stress, lack of sleep, all the diets that you're doing and essentially your metabolism is like how many, I hate talking in calories, but how many calories your body is utilizing just kind of doing nothing. Or how much energy your body is giving you. And as you do diets and you restrict

and your body feels the need to store fat, it puts you on what I call like a reserve mode. It slows down your metabolism. So your body is kind of conserving and, and reserving that fat just in case you starve yourself again. And so you know, I think diets have created this whole metabolic issue for a lot of people and why it's eating even less exercising and even more just stops working for people. I just want to hold it right there too, because people listening, obviously people are following the program,

you're already doing all the things to address these issues. With where we're at in the program, this is like just highlighting like how all the things that you've been doing are adding up to you getting one step closer to reaching your goals. Okay. up to you getting one step closer to reaching your goals. Okay. Wow. Where do we go next? We'll touch on growth hormone really quickly because people ask me about this all the time and growth hormone also impacts your metabolism.

This is another hormone that you've probably heard about before, but growth hormone very much like its name says, it impacts height, but also builds bone and muscle mass. Anything that helps you with muscle is going to impact your metabolism favorably because your muscle mass is your most active tissue at rest. And so the more muscle mass you carry on your body,

the more that furnace is burning, right? The more calories you need to maintain that weight. And so growth hormone directly and actually indirectly impacts your metabolism because growth hormone is like thyroid's best friend. And so when they're both in balance, they boost the metabolism, which is great. Okay. But when we think growth hormone, we think bodybuilders, we think like that's, I mean, that's our, that's my association

to growth hormone. The only people talking about growth hormones are bodybuilders. So I don't want to be a bodybuilder. Why do I need growth hormone? What's like? Great question. So you, we all produce growth hormone, growth hormone. And it like helps us with our muscle mass.

It kind of, it helps actually with blood muscle mass. It helps actually with blood sugar regulation, to an extent as well. Our growth hormone levels naturally start declining at around 40 to 50. But believe it or not, part of the reason as to why things like strength training or even HIIT training or sleeping, that's the simplest thing. Sleeping are so important is because that, those are the only things that truly can, can favorably impact growth hormone after like puberty. Right? And so we all have this production. I mean, you don't, I'm not saying that just like, you know,

a thyroid hormone, you need to take more thyroid hormone. You need to take growth hormone. That's not the conversation. It's growth hormone is you're still producing it and you produce it until the day you die. For sure, you know, that production slows down because your body, you know, you no longer need the bone and the muscle mass and the height.

But all of the things that you are doing already through this program is helping with your own endemic production of growth hormone. You don't need to be a bodybuilder. You don't need to be doing growth hormone supplements and all of these things. All you need to do is move your body and focus on sleeping and focus on the things that we're talking to you about to just help your body produce adequate amounts of growth hormone, which is going to directly and indirectly impact your metabolism.

Okay. Where do I want to start? I sort of want to go over things that you can do to help with thyroid, just say them out loud, things that you can do to help with, I know you're mentioning exercise, moving your body, growth hormone. But before I get into that, how is growth hormone impacting our weight?

Is it causing us to gain weight? And how is focusing or helping our growth hormone going to help us lose weight? Okay. So it impacts weight, I'm going to say in three ways. One is it will boost thyroid's impact on metabolism because they're best buddies. And so, yeah, so so far it's one because they're, they always go together. And so lower and we know that people that have lower growth hormones, low growth, low growth hormones accretion tend to have more adipose tissue. And it increases muscle mass. So that's another part of it,

right? With the metabolism, because we know that muscle mass is your most active tissue at rest, which means that it's the one tissue that needs the most calories to maintain its job in your body, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, totally makes sense, yeah. Perfect. And then the third one is that it's going to impact blood sugar regulation. And this one is a little bit tricky. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

Nobody talks about this one. And this one's a little bit tricky and I'm gonna try to oversimplify it, but growth hormone impacts blood sugar because it reduces the uptake of glucose and fat cells and it kind of opposes insulin. And insulin is the next one that we're going to talk about, so hopefully it doesn't look too confusing. So it reduces the fat cells uptake of glucose to try and actually favor the uptake of glucose by muscle cells. However, if you have too much growth hormone, that can actually lead to insulin resistance,

right? Because it's opposing the impact of insulin on like the rest of the cells. And so insulin just keeps on getting higher. And so this is actually the tricky thing about growth hormone. There's like, your body likes balance and your body likes what it produces and often it doesn't like you adding things to it, right? And so a lot of the times when we actually do growth hormone injections

and all of these like bodybuilding things that would probably, which we're not here to judge. We support people's journey. We end up with metabolic dysregulation as a result of that insulin resistance, right? Because you add in more growth hormone, which is going to increase your pancreas, secreting more insulin.

And then in the long term, what will happen is that your cells stop listening to these messages. You take out growth hormone because you're no longer doing the injections or whatever it is that you're doing. And now you end up with normal amounts of growth hormone, super high insulin, and it's a metabolic disaster. And if you do know a lot of bodybuilders who have done this, which I know that you would. Yeah.

You know, they end up with huge metabolic dysfunctions. Once they stop training and once they stop doing a lot of these treatments that were not necessarily approved in the first place, but. Okay, so then this is really, so if anyone is kind of feeling lost, first of all, you listen to this conversation just openly because she's gonna tie it all together at the end.

Because hormones and weight loss is a big conversation. It's probably hands down the most important conversation when it comes to weight loss. If you've been trying to lose weight and you've been struggling for a really long time, you feel like you're always doing all the things but having a hard time, go back and listen to part one. But I know where you're going with this,

the insulin conversation, but you can't talk about metabolism, can't talk about insulin without first talking about thyroid. And then what many of us didn't know is also where the growth hormone comes in and the two work hand in hand together when it comes to your metabolism. Your metabolism, if you have been trying to lose weight, if you gained a lot of weight,

gets affected every time you diet. When your stress levels are out of whack, when you're not getting sleep, when you're going long periods of time without eating and whatnot. So I know you're going to go into the insulin conversation, which man, that's such a huge conversation. But let's talk about, just say it out loud, things you can do to help with thyroid and things that you can do to help with growth hormone besides injections that we don't want to do.

Yeah. First and foremost, work on your sleep and your stress. That is I truly, I know that Dr. Beverly talks about this too, but I used to think that exercise and diet were the foundations of health. And we all have come to realize that it's actually sleep that those foundations actually lay on. And so sleep is truly the most important thing for you.

And stress reduction will be too because sleep is where the magic happens. Sleep is truly where a lot of this hormone rebalancing happens. When it comes to diet, eating whole foods truly that have all of the antioxidants and all of the minerals that all of these hormones need in order to get activated or to fit properly into those locks, right? So that those locks can be open. If we go back to that analogy of the key and lock system,

thyroid loves zinc, it loves iodine, it loves a number of vitamins. And you don't have to do iodine supplements. You don't have to do all of these things. The only thing that you need to do is focus on a variety of whole foods that will give you that naturally, right? The the stress component is actually really important. We're going to talk about cortisol in a little bit too. But stress, you know, when we go back to that analogy of like, the the orchestra, you and I used to talk about this before.

And I think that every time that we would start this conversation, you would ask me like, who do you think is directing this orchestra? And I think for a really long time, I truly thought that it was thyroid that was directing all of the instruments, but I truly have come to believe that it's actually cortisol.

And the thing is, is that when your body is in fight or flight mode, nothing will work in the same way that it's supposed to because Gina and I always talk about this, but it's true. Your body will always choose to survive and your body will give up anything that it can to keep you in that fight or flight mode to run away from that stressor. Right?

And so that's actually why stress becomes really, really important. And if you just focus on whole foods, stress management, and sleep, honestly, you've got 99% of it down. Well, people are, when following the Levy method, it's good, nutrient-rich whole foods. That's what we are doing. It's not like rocket science around here. No gimmicks. It's just getting the right amount of protein.

It's not low carbs. It's right carbs at the right time, all of those foods. I want to remind people of the stress and sleep series that we did with yourself, Dr. Beverly David and Alana, where you talked about hormones directly affected by what's happening with your stress, what's happening with your sleep. And this is again where we're having this conversation eight weeks into the program is really tying it all together. I was saying, you know, again, you and I've had this conversation many, many times, every group, we have this conversation again. And I think what was really interesting is that we shifted it from I think, week five, where we normally have it into here we are in week eight.

And I think it was such it was so brilliant. It happened because I know you were you're busy traveling the world and and whatnot But it was perfect because I think people have an understanding of where they're at what they have done and they're they're ready and open to this conversation This is where they can kind of be like, oh, okay. Well, I've already been doing the whole nutrient rich foods I've been already focusing on my stress already trying to get better sleep already taking a lot of these supplements, right already doing a lot of the things and then if you're not and you're still struggling, this is where you know, you might just want to take a minute and you know,

watch or listen to that stress and sleep series. Make sure you watch or listen to the conversation that we had on Tuesday, part one of this conversation. And then just like sit back and be open to it and your mind will be blown, blown, blown, blown. Okay, let's move into insulin because insulin, insulin, I used to have the word insulin littered through all of the verbiage in my group. I used to talk about insulin all day, every day. And then because I was a new diet on the market, although I've been around for 30 something years. You know, people were like, it was very pseudosciency for a while this whole insulin resistance. And you know, the dieticians, the people were

like, you can't that pseudoscience insulin resistance isn't real. Not only has science now caught up and is insulin resistance very real, they're saying it could be the root cause of metabolic issues. Now you're saying cortisol, which I think is really interesting. It's like the third type of diabetes. They're saying it can lead into Alzheimer's.

They're really, it's really interesting. I was listening to a guy who's a scientist talk about without insulin, people can't gain weight. But why do they give diabetics insulin, right? And then tell them to lose weight. Well, because your body needs insulin in order to function. So that's why you'd have worse off problems than weight gain if you weren't getting insulin in your system. But yeah, people don't really understand that it comes to insulin is the hormone that tells your body what to do with your foods. And so if your your body is flooding with too

much insulin, your body just stops listening to it and your body just is like, let's just are all this is fat at the end of the day. I probably did not do that justice, but is this where we're going with insulin? Yes, 100%. You did a beautiful job. Okay, no, honestly, it's probably a lot better summarized than the job that I do.

But yes, insulin is released by your pancreas and it promotes either the, I mean, it promotes the absorption. So when you eat something, the goal is for your body to take whatever it is that you're eating, and then break it down into glucose, right? That's actually the main goal of it, into proteins, into fats, kind of like into, like it's little building blocks. And so insulin, what it does is that it takes that glucose from whatever it is that you've eaten and it will help you, your body absorb it and then store it. And so what

insulin is trying to do is that it's trying to tell your cells like, hello, are you open? I've got some glucose for you. And in a normal, healthy, you know, insulin sensitive person, your muscle and it's usually actually your muscles I will start with. Your muscle cells will be like yeah you know like this gal used to all her glucose yesterday for her workout and like all her 10,000 steps so like come on in because I have some room. And so literally these receptors will open and then insulin will be like okay here you go and then the glucose will be taken up into the muscle cell and then the muscle cell will close and what that will cause

is that then that glucose that's been floating around in your system will decrease. And then insulin will decrease because it will be like, I did my job and then I'll just go back down, right? Yeah. And so insulin is trying to lower your blood sugar, right? Like it's all about, it's all about sort of like your levels and your body's very sensitive to that. And so just to backtrack for a second, when you eat foods, your body converts them into glucose and then stores them in your liver. Yes. But also your

muscle. Yes. And then your fat. And this is sort of where, if you don't have that muscle mass anymore, because you've done a trillion diets and every time you eat less, exercise more, you starve your fat off, you also lose a considerable amount of muscle. Huge massive conversation right now with GLP-1. This is why everyone say make sure you get protein, make sure you get protein because back in the day you would just count calories and not really care about where those calories are coming from. You also lose muscle when you're in menopause and your estrogen levels start to decline. You also naturally start to lose

muscle mass as you age as well. And so this is sort of where, especially with the menopause conversation or the aging conversation, it's so important to build that muscle back up. And I suppose that's where that growth hormone comes in. Let's take a minute to hear from our podcast sponsor today because this new year, why not let audible expand your life by listening kind of like what you're doing right now. So you can explore audio books, podcasts, even exclusive audible originals that are no doubt going to inspire you, but more so motivate you. All you have to do is open up the app, tap into your well-being, and you can hear advice and get insight from leading influencers, experts and professionals. Whatever your focus really or interest, there's a listen for you. You can find titles on better health, like personal fitness, or maybe some relaxation.

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Exactly. Legitimately, that's why I wanted to talk about it today, because I really do want to emphasize the importance of muscle mass. And the other component of that is that it's also the yo-yoing that we do. It's not just the extreme dieting that will decrease that muscle mass. It's also that our standard diet is very highly processed, full of carbon sugar. And so nine times out of 10, what will happen is that you starve yourself, it doesn't work, and then you're like, F this. And then you just go back to most of us, eating the processed foods, the things that you crave,

listening to your reward brain, dopamine plays a role into it. Grulin now has been increased, leptin has decreased, all the things that we talked about on Tuesday. And then that actually leads to over consumption of carbohydrates. And then your glucose is so high, right? And your blood. And so your pancreas has to actually match that. And it has to keep on increasing and increasing and increasing and increasing that insulin secretion to match that, right? And so then the problem is that if you don't have the muscle mass, if you don't move your body, if, if, if, if, if you legitimately, your cells, your muscle can't take up any more of that glucose and the glucose has to leave, like it has to go somewhere. And so that high

insulin, what it's going to tell your body is like, well, I'm just gonna like store that around the liver because it's the closest organ that I have. And I'm also just going to store that in fat around your abdomen. And the hardest thing, which I know you and I like tried to really drive into people's brains is that insulin is also a fat storage hormone, right? And you're storing it away.

You're storing all of that glucose as fat away. But the biggest component of that insulin resistance that plays a role into your weight loss journey is that that fat is actually locked up and your body won't use that for energy. That's why you cannot diet it off. You cannot starve yourself and deprive the weight off. You can.

I mean, deprivation diets, I'm not saying that they don't work. Eat less, exercise more, count those calories. They work really great when you are young. This is why every sort of nutrition expert, fitness expert under the age of 30 is obsessed with calories in versus calories out because like that's the only way.

Man hit me up when you are 40 when you are 50 plus and let's have a different conversation because you are going to be sitting in a hole. That's the easy get that makes it so much harder for you to lose weight as you get older that just compounds the whole situation which is why just you gain more and more and more and every time you try to lose it gets harder and harder and harder. I don't care if you got all the willpower in the world, you're able to lose it, gain it all back plus more every single time. Also why, and I'm a fan of these new weight loss medications, I believe they can be a game changer for people. You can't just take the medications, lose

the weight because the minute you get off, you're going to gain it all back plus more again. For sure. It's the changes that you are making and what you are learning while you are losing weight that are going to lead into you being able to maintain and sustain. And you've got to address all of these hormones, which we did talk about GLP-1 hormone yesterday on Tuesday in that conversation for anyone who wants to know. Yeah. And you know, and I think tying it back to Tuesday's hormones where we're talking about hunger

and satiety, why cutting calories out also doesn't work is the moment that your body has that insulin resistance, right? And it has all of these fat cells locking up all of that glucose that you're not necessarily going to use. And you start tapping into those stores. that fat cells locking up all of that glucose that you're not necessarily going to use. And you start tapping into those stores, legitimately what your body senses is that decrease in leptin, right?

Which is your, like that hormone that your fat cells produce to tell your brain, like we're good, we're satisfied, no more food. And it's your brain senses that drop in leptin and it's like, oh my God, alarms go off, there's a famine in the land. And then that actually causes a cascade of hormones that increase your appetite

and further actually increase that inflammatory insulin, like resistance piece that will make it harder and harder and harder, not just for you to lose weight in that moment, but over time, right? And you and I have like run into so many pages and clients over time that like, you know, if you try to do this before,

your body might actually lose weight on a scale. And sometimes your body composition doesn't really change because your body will give up that muscle mass because it's just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Again, if we go back to that conversation on Tuesday, because it holds onto that wave, this really gives it feels like, no, man, like this is what we're gonna use

when the big fat bear comes to chase us, right? Because we're gonna talk about cortisol mass. And so what you want to understand is that doing the same thing that hasn't worked before is not going to work. And it's never going to work because you're not addressing the root cause of that. How long does it take? We have our, you know, everyone can basically assume they got messed up insulin levels, insulin resistance when they're feeling the need to store fat, especially if

they're over the age of probably 30 plus and dieting forever, stress levels through the roof, all of that. How long does that take? I mean, I know there's a lot of variables, what you're doing, how consistent you are, but give us a real deal reality. How long does it take from our hormones to recover from something years and years of dieting and our stress and all of that? The good news and the bad news about it is that because of the variability, there are genetic unicorns for sure because genetics plays a role into this. Your gut microbiome plays a role into this. That legitimately in like, I don't know, six months, they can be like, oh my God, look

at my insulin. Like it just decreased. And these are all things that we can test you guys. Thyroid, growth hormone, insulin, all of these hormones we can test in blood work as well. But the sad reality is that for the vast majority of us, it takes a lot longer than any of us want. And it can take years, right? Because it's years of damage that we've done. And this is the hard thing. When you're really, really young, your body doesn't know any better. Your body is like, oh yeah, we're supposed to be

balanced. Like, this is amazing. Like you gave me food, like now we're sleeping. But for the vast majority of us, this is like decades of damage that we've done to our metabolism, which is actually where we plead with you every single time. Just be patient with your body. Your body is just trying to get you to survive, which is actually why it's locking up this fat. It's not trying to work against you. It's just that it has gone through a lot, a lot. Yeah, what's really interesting, first of all, I love where did Janice go? This makes so much sense after doing so many diets using calories and calories out and staying in deficits and working out like crazy. No wonder I lost I never lost any weight. I only got frustrated, lost confidence in myself, feeling I had failed. This is changing my life.

Yeah, you know, this is it, this is it. This is why it's worth sticking around to the end of the program. But interestingly enough, Odette and I, Odette manages our maintenance program. And we streamed our conversation from Tuesday into the group and people were like, wow. They had so much respect for, even though they had lost their weight and

reach their goal. Why they were still making good food choices, why they were still, you know, trying to focus on their stress, why they were still making an effort to get better sleep, because when you are no longer in pursuit of the scale, and trying to chase that number, and you reached your goal, then what is your motivation to continue to reinforce the habits and the lifestyle changes you've made? And so that was a real big aha moment

for people in the maintenance program who've been maintaining their weight. It's just like, whoa, like beyond just, I get to wear smaller clothes size, having respect for continuing to allow their body to heal and to actively help their body heal. So they truly are. I mean, this conversation is about weight loss. It's about looking and feeling your best and it's about your longevity. It's about aging and living your best life. We all just want

to get old. We want to live our lives. Yeah. And I think that that's also why I love that you created the maintenance program because we know in medicine that these hormones, even when you've achieved that weight loss and you've lost those fat stores, right? Because weight, I hate just talking about weight loss because it's really just about, it's more about body composition than it is about weight loss as a number because here we don't want you to lose that muscle mass for obvious reasons that we just that we talked about right um but when we're talking about the body composition changes when your body has gone through these cycles of yo-yoing what we know is that even if you lost that that fat mass, for two to three years after your body's still like,

ah, I don't know, like, are you gonna do this to me again? Like, are you gonna do this to me again? And so actually in research, when we talk about successful weight loss journeys, we talk about the maintenance piece of it, right? Like we know that we can probably get people to, which is actually where the GLP-1 agonist, a lot of the conversation is going on right now about like,

great, we take people off of it and then what happens, right? And it's actually because a lot of these hormones will change, but you have to work at maintaining them there. It's not that they change and like your body's like, oh my God, this is amazing. What was they doing before? That was crazy. No, no, it actually means that you help them change

and then you continue refocusing on like, this is our new normal. And very similar then you continue refocusing on like, this is our new normal. And very similar to the analogy that we used on Tuesday, it's a very traumatic experience for your body and a very stressful experience to go through these yo-yos, right, of weight. And the impact that it has on all of these hormones, including your thyroid, including your growth hormone, including your insulin, is very profound. And you can't erase that in, home, including your insulin, is very profound. And you can't erase that in, I mean, sometimes in one session, like you can't, right? It's like, it can't take years. And so that's actually why sticking around with something like the maintenance program is amazing because it allows you to work

on all of the things that are going to make this your forever. You know, it also helps reinforce that, again, everyone, when they're focused on the scale, not know, it also helps reinforce that, again, everyone, when they're focused on the scale, not moving, I'm eating all the things, I'm following the diet, I'm drinking the water, why am I not losing weight when they're not really understanding those small little improvements that you can make in your sleep,

just moving your body that much more, trying to manage your stress makes a big difference. You know, on Tuesday, in our previous conversation, difference. You know, on Tuesday in our previous conversation, we really focused on sort of, you know, how you gain the weight, why it's so hard for you to lose weight. We talked about your hunger hormones, what makes you hungry, what, you know,

what makes you feel satisfied, how our portions get to be so big, all of that, which I think was really just mind blowing. Today we're talking about, I guess metabolism, we're talking about thyroid, growth hormone, talking about those are the two that really affect your metabolism and now insulin and how all that works together.

And so rounding out the conversation is cortisol, like that is like. Yeah, cortisol and sex hormones. And I know that we talk a lot about sex hormones in the menopause add-on. And so I'm going to try to be brief with those. But cortisol, listen, I mean, we have talked about cortisol so much with the program with sleep and things like that, but they're really the takeaway from cortisol is that cortisol is a beautiful hormone. Cortisol is, it's actually what helps regulate your circadian rhythm because it has this inverse relationship with melatonin.

But it really impacts your weight because it is the hormone that helps you respond to stress in the long term. Problems arise when you have too much or too little of it, or when you have the wrong levels at the wrong time. That's actually what cortisol impacts you. And yeah, because your cortisol is supposed to be higher in the morning and towards the end of the night, your cortisol is supposed to lower as your melatonin increases. And then for a lot of women, again, the menopause conversation is so huge, which is why we have

the add-on. And if you want to talk more about the menopause conversation is so huge, which is why we have the add-on. And if you want to talk more about the menopause conversation, we do have the add-on. Dr. Alinka joins us there. We talk all about hormones and all of that, to which everyone, the answer to weight in menopause, people think, is hormone replacement or hormone management. And that's not necessarily the case. Just taking a hormone treatment isn't necessarily gonna do anything

to actually help you with lose weight because it's all these other hormones that factor in as well. Okay, sorry, yeah, back to the, so this is why I was gonna say, if you are like, and I guess this is where maybe thyroid comes in too, where if you are why if you're tired all day, and then you're wired at night, you know, this is that's a like a sign

that your cortisol levels are out of whack. Yeah, for sure. And when it comes to I mean, stress, and I know, you know, I don't want to be that that horse, but your cortisol, your body just wants to survive. And so acutely what will happen when you see a stressor is that you will, and everybody knows what this feels like, but your body will secrete adrenaline and you respond to the stress, you run away. When there's a big bat-fair that's about to eat you,

your body goes into fight or flight mode and then it runs away. But your body was never meant to have long-term stress, right? We are mammals, it was supposed to be a beginning and an end to your stress. And the thing is that when your body is in that chronic stress, truly it starts releasing cortisol because it feels like adrenaline is going to kill me if I just keep on releasing it all day, every day, all day long. And so cortisol, I want you to think about cortisol as your survival hormone. But because it activates this stress response, which is that fight or flight,

your body needs sugar, right? Like your body needs very specific things in order to run away from a bear. It needs to make things available to you. And so as a response to stress, what will happen is that your body will break down usually muscle, but it's supposed to break down fat, but it's, it will break down things in your body to increase your blood sugar so that your body can get out of that stress, like a stressful environment. Okay. So something stressful happens to me, right? Like I, I don't know, like, you know, you've seen, you know, mothers whose kids are in car accidents, and they can lift a car, they're like their body starts flooding

with adrenaline, their bodies getting that energy from somewhere. So it's pulling out the body, you're super focused. Or back in the day, you know, there's a lion chasing me or a bear. And it sounds so silly. But even the brightest minds and obesity researcher talking about about this because our bodies still function on such a primitive level as you know, regardless of where we're at with technology and AI and all of that are human bodies function on very primitive level. So we're meant to get stressed, huh, this has happened, focus, get the energy we need, and

then we're supposed to be able to calm down from that. But our lives are not calm. And so then after we have this stressful situation, we come back and we have a stressful situation with work or our kids or we're watching the news and we're stressed. And then we're in a chronic massive state of stress. Just like that. Absolutely. What that leads into is then you have these

chronically elevated blood sugar levels that will then stimulate insulin release, right? Which then feeds back into the insulin conversation that we just had, which then predisposes you to things like insulin resistance. The other thing that it will impact is that it's going to increase your appetite because your body constantly feels like, I need fuel, I need fuel, I need fuel, I need fuel. And so it's going to increase that ghrelin that we talked about on Tuesday, so that hunger hormone, and it decreases your brain sensitivity to leptin, even if you have a lot of fat already

stored. And so because leptin is your satiety hormone, but your brain doesn't really feel the effects of leptin, what will happen is, but your brain doesn't really feel the effects of leptin. What will happen is that now you have these chronically elevated levels of sugar. You've increased your appetite, usually for things that are highly processed sugary things. And we all know this, right?

When you're stressed out, Gina, like I know this. I'm not like, I feel like broccoli. Like when I get stressed out, I'm like, I want a donut. And there's a reason physiologically as to why I want that donut, because my body is like, girl, get me those carbohydrates real fast. Like I need that energy, right? And so then what will happen is that

as a result of that too, your body will slow down your metabolism because it feels like, nah man, like I need to store these calories that I'm eating because I'm going to have to use these eventually when the big fat bear comes. I know the bear is not here right now, but I know he's coming. And so then that's slowing down the metabolism, that increase in appetite, that increase in insulin, the higher blood sugar, all of this results in waking, especially viscerally, right? And that's actually why when you're really stressed out

and actually at medical conditions like Cushing's disease, which is a tumor in your adrenal glands that causes that overproduction of the cortisol, there's a very specific pattern in waking and it's all visceral. Like our arms and our legs are getting real skinny because your body gives up the muscle mass as fuel. But then you start gaining all of that weight viscerally.

Ooh! And then you just add on years or a history of dieting on top of this. It's like we are functioning in a world that is designed for weight gain. Wow. Right. So I would imagine if you add trauma, experience of trauma in your life to this, it just like just adds to it. Wow. Yeah. And you know what? And I mean, that's a completely different conversation, but it's true. We actually do, we have a lot of animal studies, believe it or not, in sheep, but a lot

of animal studies that there's like high responders and low responders to cortisol. And a lot of people with trauma actually are high responders, which means that their body just stuck in that like fight or flight mode. And the way that they respond to cortisol is almost like way more extreme than people that don't carry that. And listen, like trauma and stress and trauma and all of these things can come in a lot of different ways, right? It can come as for sure, like there's something awful that happened. It can also come in, I've reduced my calories a lot, I've reduced my calories a lot. I've completely cut out carbohydrates. I have over-exercised. I don't sleep.

And this is the hard thing with your body. It doesn't discern between physical, mental, or emotional stress. The same hormone get released and the same imbalances happen, right? And so the hardest part about this cortisol thing, and I'll end with this so that we can briefly touch on the other, on the theme and the steroid hormones,

is that there's, I truly believe that as a society in 2025, because we all have way too much demands on our time and on our stress response and all of these things, it's almost like your brain and your body separates the way that you perceive and respond to stress. And so sometimes what will happen is that people legitimately feel like, no, I honestly have like no stress, like I'm doing good.

Like I have no idea why I'm holding onto this weight. But their body can be stuck in that fight or flight mode and their body's just like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, in survival mode, because their brain is like, no, I mean, I'm good, or there are medication that they need and it's great. That kind of helps their brain not feel their impact almost of like what cortisol feels like.

And so it's almost like that disconnect that becomes really, really hard because then people feel like, I don't really understand why my body is working against me. And it's like, girl, your body is not working against you. Your body is not working in a way where it has had to figure out shit on its own because your hormones are your hormones, which are your chemical messengers. And you talk about

this orchestra, they all work together and one is off. It kind of affects everything. And in a sense, your hormones have been traumatized and they're just trying to figure shit out on their own because you haven't been giving it. Not only have you not been giving it the resources it needs, good whole nutrient rich foods to make change. You haven't been trying to manage your stress. You haven't been trying to get better sleep. You haven't kept up with that muscle mass.

So your body is just doing the best it possibly can to keep you alive. And this is why, this is about, I used to say rewiring. This is about reprogramming. It's about you do the program to reprogram how your body has come to function physically. And then also a lot of how your brain has come to function mentally.

And this is why this shit just takes time and more time than we like, but it is so worth it. Not only is this how you're going to reach your weight loss goals, it's how you're gonna keep it off and how you're truly going to live your best life Especially as you get older like this is the secret So this is why I said that that conversation that we had on Tuesday basically solved the obesity crisis Dr. Lincoln I the two of us with that conversation combined with this conversation combined with what you were doing on the living method

That it we girl. We're gonna get a Nobel Prize for this honestly did that, we girl, we're going to get a Nobel prize for this. Honestly. I will forget about all you guys. No, but it's true. When you actually add the insulin component to it, right? And the cortisol component to it, then you piece it together. You're like, Oh my God. But it's true. I think, you know, and I, um, I think that the hard thing is that if you really just boil it down to your body is doing everything that it can to survive and you have that compassion and you have that patience for your body, your body is the most beautiful machine ever created. Your body wants to be in balance and your hormones will respond to

whatever environment you put them in. It's just that when you put them in a high cortisol, environment you put them in. It's just that when you put them in a high cortisol, high insulin environment, it's not going to be like, oh yeah, take all this fat. Yeah, you send us fuel like this is amazing. It's going to be like, take my muscle. I need to store this fat. I can't sleep. I need to like constantly be on the lookout. And so I do think that having a little bit of that kindness and compassion that we try to inject into the program while having that deep understanding as to why that works, is super, super important, honestly. And I don't wanna leave it out,

talking a little bit about like the estrogens and the progesterone, the testosterone, but those are things that we probably have a little bit less of a control over because those change as we age. But these things like insulin, growth hormone, you know, thyroid, all of the leptin, the ghrelin, the dopamine, like you die having these hormones, like you continue to produce them. So when people come in and they're just like, I'm

a postmenopausal, can I lose weight? And I'm like, yeah, girl, like you just don't have estrogen, but you have all of the other things. And all of the other things you're actually trying to compensate for the loss of estrogen, right? So this is actually why I deliberately chose to leave these hormones at the very end because if you were really interested in this, we do have this great menopause item, but it's so much more than just your estrogen, your progesterone, testosterone. It's such a small part of the conversation. It's like how you got hit. It's your state of your body as you transition through menopause that you really need to address. And yes, hormones can can help, but they're not the BL end all it's not like you start taking

hormones and your your weight's going to come off because you still have to address all of these things. It's the same thing when you take any of the GLP-1 medications, sure you might see that weight loss initially because you end up eating less for a variety of reasons. And then the minute you stop taking it, you haven't addressed again, the state of your body before you started that medication. And this is why, you know, it can seem like it's a lot

and it can seem like it takes longer, but what else are you going to do? I mean, this is, you know what I love about you? Um, and we do have to get going, but we're not here hosting the Oprah show, trying to get viewers. We're not trying to talk in, in, in click baits. What we're trying to do is having a really well rounded, robust conversation that's going to help you put all

the pieces together. I think when it comes to weight loss, people are like, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm doing that. And they have bits of pieces and they have bits of pieces of results without it really amounting to anything. And this is about taking everything that you're doing and putting under one umbrella and pulling in the skills and the tools and the knowledge that you need to actually make change. And so I'm really hoping I know the takeaway for people today is one, have mad respect that you are here. Your willpower had nothing to do with that. The little things that you can do that you think, like you said, the non-sexy things, we have non-scale victories, I'm going to start non non sexy. The non sexy do a

little things that you're doing add up and make a big difference. You are going to get there. I know sometimes it feels so frustrating. You're never going to get there. Your body is on your side. It doesn't want this fat any more than you do. It's just you've taught it in a way that it needs it. And now you need to teach it or reprogramming it into thinking it doesn't need it anymore. And this is why I talk about menopause more and more.

I saw Oprah the other day, again, being like, eat more to lose weight and menopause. Yes, because the starving and depriving doesn't work anymore. It never really did. Before we go, final, we're like, I don't know, how do you want to wrap this up? I know, you know, because we're kind of like a moment of

posturing, I'm going to end with this with menopause, because I know, like, you know, if you are somebody who's going through their transition, the menopause add-on is like the best 50 bucks that you're ever going to spend, I think it's such a great add-on that you created. But the takeaway for me with that, especially because right now, that conversation, rightly so, is taking up so much bandwidth in social media and things like that.

And I do think that sometimes people feel really disheartened because of either they're not a candidate, because you and I always talk about this too, that hormone therapy is sold as this like be old and end all. And like, if you just say hormone therapy, everything else would be balanced. And that's not true. And that's actually why we wanted to focus

this conversation heavily on other hormones so that you didn't feel disheartened if you were not going through menopause or if you were post menopause, or if you weren't a candidate for hormone therapy, right? And a lot of the impact that things like estrogen and progesterone and testosterone actually have on your body and your metabolism actually have to do

with the impact that they have on your hunger hormones, the impact that they have on your muscle mass, and the impact that then those two have almost on like how you store fat, right? And yes, for sure, nobody's here saying like, oh my God, no, estrogen doesn't matter. No, like a lot of these hormones, they don't actually make you gain weight per se. They more than anything just help direct the weight where it's supposed to go. But if we're talking about body composition, and if we're talking about weight gain in general,

they actually do become a little bit less important. And a lot of the other hormones that you have control over, right? And you can do active, like if you're post-menopausal, like you can sleep and eat all you want. And like your estrogen is really not going to increase very much. Like your reservoir of these hormones as you age,

which is going to be like the last third of your life, right? As a female for men that declining these hormones a you age, which is going to be like the last third of your life, right? As a female, for men, the decline in these hormones is a lot slower. They're coming from your adrenal gland, which is actually the gland that responds to stress and releases cortisol. And so the best thing that you can actually do for your hormones is like take care of that cortisol response. Do the things that help you balance the ghrelin and the leptin, right? Increase that muscle mass and try to tap into that growth hormone.

Eat those nutrient rich foods for thyroid. And so it's not that we don't think it's important. I do think that there's a big role that they play in a huge conversation that we have in the add-on. But I'm hopeful that Tuesday and today serve the purpose of helping you understand that there are so many things that you can do that will naturally help you balance your hormones, sometimes for sure with medication,

sometimes for sure with supplements. Somebody through strict guide you through both of them. Nobody should be buying things without medical supervision. But it's all of those little and non sexy things that actually allow you to balance your hormones is not $150 supplements sold by who knows who on the internet, right? Like there isn't really a lot of like hormone balancing supplements that actually work. It is those non sexy things that we could go in back to that have the research and the evidence for helping you balance your hormones. Yeah, or if it is supplements, it's not the ones

you think. It's an omega-3. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. It's magnesium. It's so simple. All the things that we talked about in the program. Okay, we're going to wrap this up. Again, if you missed it, do not spend another day trying to lose weight without listening to this conversation. It started on Tuesday, which was really the foundation part one with Dr. Alinka Trejo. If you have access to the the winter weight loss program, it is stored in the guides. It's also found in the app. You could also download and listen by way of our living method podcast. If you want to, you can also share that with anyone you know who's trying to lose

weight as well. Dr. Alinka Trejo, thank you so much. I also do want to say in the group, y'all, I did a whole outline of hormones and weight loss. So there's kind of a whole outline of them, all the ones that we talked about over the last couple of days. Dr. Alinka Trejo, you can follow her on Instagram at doctor.olinka, O-L-I-N-C-A. You can also go, you can send her an email, info at dralinka.com. I just totally butchered that. And you can also go to her website, dralinka.com as well. Oh my God, thank you so much for just taking the time

to so freely share your knowledge with us. I know you're like me and that we want people to, want people to be able to make change. We want you to be hopeful. We want you to reach your goals. We want to tell you and share everything we possibly can to make sure that you are successful. Another brilliant conversation.

I think this is the last time you're joining us in the weight loss program. Is it? Are you back at the end? Yeah, I'm back with the gas. Yeah. I'm back is the last time you're joining us in the weight loss program. Is it? Are you back at the end? Yeah, I'm back with the gas. I'm back with the gas. And we talk about that too. That's great.

With Dr. Dina and Dr. Yeah, so back with Dr. Dina and Dr. Beverly David. Oh, we're going to wrap that up. Oh, I can't wait. I'm not trying to rush the time. We still have like four and a half weeks left. But I'm looking forward to that conversation. Thanks, everyone who joined us live.

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