The Livy Method Podcast - How Identity Shapes Weight Loss, Confidence & Lasting Change with Kathleen Cameron

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

In this inspiring conversation, Gina Livy sits down with bestselling author and manifestation mentor Kathleen Cameron to explore the powerful connection between mindset, self-worth, weight loss, and lasting health. Kathleen shares how shifting her identity, releasing shame, and focusing on self-love instead of chasing the scale helped her release 120 pounds and completely transform her relationship with herself. Together, they discuss manifestation, confidence, body image, healthy habits, and why lasting change starts from the inside out. If you're looking for motivation to let go of old beliefs, build self-trust, and create a healthier, more fulfilling life, this episode is full of practical insights and empowering perspective.This episode aligns with Day 85 of our Spring 2026 weight loss program. You can find the full video hosted at: www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodspring2026To learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and g-lp-1s? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wangery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Living Method podcast.

Kathleen Cameron is joining me this morning. She is the author of the books becoming the one best of yourself. and her latest My Manifested Life. Kathleen is a mom, CEO, and a manifestation mentor who helps people build wealth from the inside out through identity work, universal law. We'll get into exactly what that is. She is an eight-figure entrepreneur, an international bestselling author, and the creator of Millionaire, Modern Mentor, the House of Manifestation, and a suite of programs designed to help people embody wealth, health, and purpose from the inside out.

Hello. Hi. Good morning. How are you? I am great. I have been smiling ever since I knew that you were coming on. I am a big fan of manifestation. I think it's a different way to approach life.

It's hopeful. There are practices and things that you can do to take control of your life. I just want to say hi. Thanks for coming on. I'm so blessed to be here and share. You know, when you find something that is like life changing. I always say,

I feel like I have the cure to cancer. I'm going to shout it from the rooftop. So anytime I can talk about this, I'm in my glory. So I'm so happy to be here. How do you own that? It's so hard to own that. I think, you know, I don't know if it's something that women do where, you know, I was just talking to a member this morning.

She lost over 100 pounds of the program, Kim. She popped on during a live. And her husband recently passed away. And she was crediting me for everything she learned. And I was like, girl, no, this is all you. I'm just sharing my information. Yeah. But it's in this program, we have women who are working really hard to make real change.

yes, physically lose way, but mentally and how they show up in the world. And one of the hardest things to do is kind of own that. How do you show up so confidently and just say that out loud? Like I'm going to shout it from the rooftops. Yeah. Well, it wasn't actually how I was six years ago. So before I started studying the power of manifestation, I would have called it mindset, honestly, six years ago when I first started studying it. Yeah. But it's, it's far more than that. There's a spirituality component to it as well. Okay. That's super important. But, um, So that's why I refer to it as manifestation now. But me six years ago, like, I have always been a woman who has carried extra weight since I was seven years old.

So I walked around in this body that in my mind, I believe, was flawed and broken. And so I had this shame and this embarrassment that carried with me. And so because of that, I believed that I was not worthy, was not good enough, was less than. And so I was shy. I lacked confidence. So I wouldn't have said something like that. Of course not. But when I started studying this work and I got into this material and I realized like, okay,

I'm believing these things that aren't actually true. Like, is it true that I'm shy? Is it true that I'm less than or not worthy? No. I just bought that idea, believed in the lie and it became true for me. So I actually reprogrammed myself to be so confident, so bold, so daring. I believe I'm one of the most powerful. manifesters that ever lived. That's a belief I put into myself. And the more that I told myself this

story of confidence and love and bravery and courage, I became her because that's what I told myself. So the power of identity and self-concept work is magical. Oh my goodness. Okay, I love that. And I know that you, you deal in sort of helping people manifest like wealth and success and whatnot in their lives. obviously what we're trying to do is just to achieve better health and wellness, physically, mentally. Where would manifestation fit into that? Yeah. So health has been such a beautiful, rhythmic journey for me, I will say. So, you know, the rhythms of life, the ups and the downs. I had lost 100 pounds twice in my life prior to this third time now. And I had lost, I had lost weight. gained it back, lost weight. So I don't say I lost weight. I say I've released 120 pounds now.

Yeah, love that. Because, you know, what we release does not come back, but what we lose, we try to find. So a little shift, a little shift in my thinking. So, so I've released 120 pounds now over the past three years since 2022. But the difference was, honestly, and this is, this is going to be a challenging concept for some to maybe understand, is I had to stop trying to lose weight. Because the intention of weight loss came from the belief that in the body that I was in at 320 pounds was broken, was flawed, was bad, was wrong, was unhealthy. And so from those assumptions, your behavior just follows. So I would force myself to go to the gym. I would force myself to eat different foods that I didn't like.

And it felt like I was always running uphill. And then as soon as I would stop the behaviors, it would come back. Yeah. So in 2022, I decided I am not going to try to lose weight anymore. I'm actually just going to be as healthy as I can. And I stopped getting on the scale. I stopped measuring my body. And I just thought to myself, okay, what would my healthy version do? Not skinny version. Yeah. Because for 30 years, I blew out the candles on my birthday. And the wish was I wish I was skinny. So I dropped that. And I decided, no, I just want to be healthy. you know, a healthy person would walk every day and a healthy person, well, okay, she would love to walk every day. That's the difference. She not force herself, but would love to. And I also, I also changed the belief that I love to go to the gym. Now I absolutely love it, but I hated it.

And I kept telling myself I hated it. So the belief just became the truth. And then I actually changed my belief systems to like food that I hated my whole life. So I hated salad. I hated vegetables. Now I'm obsessed. So it's so, it's the power of the mind is magical. But for me, it was shifting to loving the healthy behaviors and making them natural instead of trying to force myself to do it.

Now it's easy. Now it's effortless. I actually crave healthy food instead of saying like, oh, I should eat this because it's the better option. I'm like, ooh, I would love a salad right now. And I mean it. Like, I actually meet it this time. You can tell the energy that you're putting out is like, this is who I am. this is what I'm doing and you believe that. You own it and you live it. Can you just say that one more

time the whole thing of release versus lose? Because I think we need to put that on a on a t-shirt or throw that up as a quote today. Because we have people who are continuing to filter in as they're joining us live during this conversation. I think it was so powerful. We need to hear that again. Yeah. I am one day I can't remember where I was, but I said something about losing weight. And when I said it, it was like, but what you lose, you try to find. Yeah. We try to find lost things. And I went, I don't want to lose weight and find it.

Like, I want to release it. Like, I want to let it go with love. Goodbye. You are not welcome back here. And so now I always say it has been a weight release journey, not a weight loss journey. But it hasn't even really been about the weight release anyways. It's been about health and longevity and taking care of. this body. I love her. I did not love her before. And so when I didn't love, when I say her,

I mean this vessel I'm in. When I didn't love it, I wouldn't treat it as well as when I love it. So that's another piece. Okay. Can we talk about this because we talk about the self-love piece and we just had the body positivity movement and, you know, I've been helping people lose weight for over 30 years. And there was this time where it was really contentious and people are like, how dare you suggest that people want to lose weight? And I'm just like, you're allowed to love your. body and still want to make change. I know you've been around since the body positivity movement. And now we're seeing all these people who are very body positive and obviously now losing

weight and making change. Can you just put that in perspective? Because I think it's confusing for people because you should love yourself right now today. You're living your best life today if you woke up and you're still alive. But can you just put this concept of loving yourself now and it's okay to make change? Yeah. So I actually, in 2019 and 2020, when I first started in the manifestation work, I was 320 pounds, and I did not like myself and I did not like my body. And then I got into this work and I realized, okay, that belief does not serve me.

So I actually decided in 2019, I am no longer going to try to lose weight. I'm not going to go to the gym. I'm not going to eat healthy. I'm just going to live. And I'm going to go inward and love myself first. So in 2020, I did that. I stopped dieting for the first time in my life. I released all shame about my body at 320 pounds. I thought I was the most beautiful, sexy, curvy woman that ever lived.

Like, I literally poured into myself so much love that the shame left me. And then in 2022, two years later, I had this other awareness of, okay, well, I love her so much. I really want to make her last a long time. And that's where the shift became about not trying to shrink the size of my body, but to actually expand my love for myself, which came through healthy behaviors of honoring and valuing my vessel. That's a completely different conversation. Like weight loss before, I've done Dr. Bernstein. I've done keto, weight watchers. I have starved myself, done unhealthy behaviors in the pursuit of things.

thinness. Now, this is self-love and value and honoring my vessel to the point now where whether she's 300 pounds or she's 200 pounds, I don't care. I'm going to love her either way. But I want to value and honor her. And so I'm not attached to skinny on the scale anymore, which has been the most freeing experience of my life, to be honest. Yeah, I don't even have to look at the comments to know that women are listening to this and they're like, I want to feel this. I want to this release shame poured into myself so much love i think we can feel the weight of releasing the shame how do you where do you even start with that i have it i just have a comment right here from one of our members i'm so disappointed with myself this round knee replacement may six decreased activity

put on the weight just been so depressed and frustrated in myself like how do we get from that to the energy that you are putting out right now yeah So what's so interesting is like we have learned through our patterning and programming collective society that if you aren't quote unquote successful at whatever it is you want to be successful at, that you should feel shame and guilt. I don't believe in that narrative anymore. I believe in self-love, compassion, and giving yourself grace. And when you do that, what's so beautiful, when you sit there and you say, you know what, it's okay. that I didn't do what I said I was going to do. It's okay that I had this thing come up, this surgery in my life that slowed me down,

that maybe took me on a little bit of a detour. But the truth is I am a powerful, powerful person that as long as I don't give up, I will get there. And it's that self-narrative. But here's the real truth of it is the more we stay in that cycle of shame and guilt and self-deprecation and self-condemnation, the more that we are. are hard on ourselves, the heavier it feels. And what feels heavy, our body will keep as heavy on our bodies. So releasing the heaviness of the shame, the disappointment, the guilt, honestly,

it will allow you to release whatever it is you want to release from your body easier. And here's a thing. You have another chance at today and you have another chance at tomorrow. So if you let go of the shame of yesterday and you enter today and tomorrow with love, you literally change your reality. You can literally change what's going to happen next. But if you're staying in the shame of yesterday, you're keeping that in tomorrow and the next day and the next day. Yeah, you just remind me something is to say to my kids, choose again. Do you want to choose your attitude and behavior again? You have an opportunity to wake up and enjoy the day or be a little pissy pants. What do you want to do? Let go of shame, release the heaviness.

how do we do that and how long does it take yeah well honestly honestly i have started to believe that i can shift a belief and emotion of feeling in an instant and because i believe that um i can do that so i can notice in my body this feeling of like okay i'm judging myself right now okay so if i wasn't judging myself right now what else could i do what other belief could i reinforce if i was like one of my children, I have two beautiful daughters of 12 and 14. If they came up to me and they said, Mommy, I made a mistake. I didn't do my homework. And, you know, I'm really, really sorry. I want to get it done. I'm ashamed to go tell the teacher. I can be like, you're right. You didn't do it. How dare you? Like, I don't do that. I'm like, you know what? It's okay. You just have to fess up,

take ownership and say, yep, I didn't do it and move forward and get it done next time. And so I just treat myself like I would treat my girls. I'm not hard on my daughter. at all. And because of that, I'm teaching them self-love and I'm teaching them grace. And they're honest and up front. They don't lie. They don't try to finagle. They like really, really move the energy. But the other thing I want to say to, Gina, is to release some of the shame and the guilt too, is to do mirror work. So standing in front of the mirror was one of my, one of the things that I used to avoid. So especially like getting out of the shower naked and I would see myself, I'd be like, oh, God. And that's where like the real kindness would come up.

I say that very sarcastically. So I started looking in the mirror and I started on purpose telling myself what I love about myself and what I saw and what was beautiful. So at first it was like, oh, you have great eyes, Kathleen. Oh, your ears, they're so cute. Oh, look at your pretty feet. You know, I would find the things. And then eventually I'd be like, okay, look at the stomach that you have, these fat

rolls that are present on your body right now. They are here from years of living. They are here from having babies. from enjoying meals and celebrations and birthdays and, you know, it's keeping you alive. And honoring my body in that way, I eventually started to fall in love with every single role that I had, every bit of cellulite, every stretch mark. And so now I love those parts of my body. I told my trainer, I do not want to lose these curves.

I want to keep them because I've convinced myself how beautiful they are. So the mirror is a beautiful place too. And of course, journaling. like journaling out exactly how you want to feel about yourself, it tells the mind that's what you believe. And the more you tell the mind something, the more it's convinced. Well, I was just going to ask you, I think first of all, self-awareness, because there are some members in here just sharing how they're feeling right now. Something came up in life. They didn't expect.

Again, a lot of disappointment, a lot of shame. We are winding down or kind of we do these 91-day live sessions kind of pushes. But after the 91 days, the journey continues. and self-awareness is such a big part of it. How did you learn to be, I think it's the start of it, but you have to be self-aware. If you are aware, that's like you're already doing so much. How did you learn to be so self-aware?

Like, where do you think about? Yeah, I wasn't actually. Like, I have two master's, I have two bachelor's degrees and a master's degree. I was in university for nine years. And nowhere in formal education do we teach self-awareness, nowhere. So I was used to, I was a nurse for 12 years. So it would be like studying how to be a better nurse and how to be a better leader and like how to make this skill better. But in 2019 when I met Bob Proctor, that was the first mentor that introduced me to the power of manifestation and law of attraction.

When I first took a course with him, that's where I started to ask the questions of, who am I? What do I believe about myself? Like if I had to describe my personality traits, what would I say? And so when I started to ask those questions, then I'm, I started to be curious about, well, are they in fact true? Like, was I born like this? Was I born a woman with shame and guilt? No, no, no. I learned that over the years. And so that self-awareness then led me to the ability to change because what you are unaware of, you will never change. So, yeah, so now I am, and a belief I put in myself is that I'm the most self-aware woman you'll ever meet.

I love that. I'm dropping the mic. So the reason why. One of the reasons why I was so excited to have you on is, so I was a big fan of the secret. And we're talking like probably, I mean, for when it first came out, but about 15 years ago now, my husband got sick, my whole life changed, car repossessed, behind him my rent, not sure what I was going to do, marriage fell apart. And I would watch the secret every fucking day, every day. Just to keep me in that mindset, when you mentioned Bob Proctor, how is manifesting changed since then? So, you know, the secret a little bit old school.

What's sort of new? What is changed in manifesting now? Yeah. What's so beautiful and what's so fun is that the mechanism of manifestation has not changed. So the theory behind it and how it works, you can read books from the early 1900s. So the secret was actually based off of a book called The Science of Getting Rich that was written in 1914. And so the theory behind it and the mechanisms, they remain true to this day, clear. and true and unchanged.

But what has changed is the way in which we discuss it. I was in Bob Studio. I was in Bob Studio one day and this was about probably six months before he left this physical 3D iteration and went into his beautiful spiritual form. But he said to me that in the movie

the secret they were not allowed to say the word energy. What? And actually Abraham Hicks was in the movie and they removed Abraham Hicks because it was too woo-woo. It was too outwee. it was too out there, you know, the idea of channeling a higher source or power. And so the way in which we talk about it is different, you know, and what I want to do is I want

to normalize it. I want us to be able to talk about it. I've been on the news talking about this. And so that's my mission is to normalize the power of talking about energetics, talking about our belief systems, talking about magnetism, and really, really talking about the power of understanding you're a spiritual being having a human experience. And that spirituality is your most powerful part of you. Yeah, the woo-hoo-hoo-ness. So my husband is not into any of this. And I'm just like, okay, I totally believe in it with my whole being. But I don't really, especially when we first started dating, I wouldn't really talk about it. I actually wouldn't talk about it much in the programs either. But we are on this ball rolling through space. The universe is infinite. Like it's, it's nice to believe

in something bigger than yourself. Let's talk about just spirituality or, you know, whether someone believes in God or what they choose to believe. Where does manifestation fit in? Because people might feel like the lines are a little blurred there. Yes. If they're believing in something bigger than yourself or just the universe having your back, like what is that conversation?

Because there might be people listening or a little nervous to kind of go there. But what's another way they can kind of understand it or see it from a different perspective? Yeah. What I love so much, when we talk about spirituality as a whole, spirituality encompasses any and all beliefs relative to a higher spiritual power. Yeah. So it means any religion. So any belief system that says that there is more to us than the simple human body, that there is a higher energetic field, spiritual essence or power, spirit guides, God, universe. source energy, collective, whatever you want to call it.

It is the spirituality of your understanding that shapes your life. So I often say to people like, let's not try to find the one truth of what God is or the one truth about what the universe is. Let's figure out what's true for us in what we want to believe in, which then impacts our iteration. So I say God now, but I didn't say that for many years. I have members of my team that would not use the God language, but I have members of my team that would identify as Christian or Mormon. And so we're able to talk about manifestation in a way that leaves no belief system behind, no matter what you believe in.

But what I do know to be true is when you believe that you are manifesting, creating, living on your own and alone, and there is no supportive energy here helping you, that feels hard, that feels. feels difficult and you will be manipulating the world with your bare hands. So the belief that I was supported, the belief that I am co-creating with God or with the universe, and the belief that I just simply have to say thank you for a thing and that thing will be delivered to me has changed my entire life. I still move towards it. I'm not like sitting at home on my couch watching Netflix and saying, I would love, you know, I still have to behave in the way that the individual with it would have.

of course, but I have seen magic and miracles in my life, Gina. And it's because I believe there is far more to the human experience than simply the humanity part. Are you being guided or are you creating? Which one comes first, right? So we have this idea of this is what I'm trying to achieve. And to me, I love what you said about taking action because I believe we're always getting messages. It's just a matter of being aware and in tune and listening to them. and then also taking action on them, right?

Like you're not going to be this healthy fit person without getting your ass out of bed and putting your running shoes on, right? Maybe it's put the running shoes on. The next day it's go out the door. The next day it's around the block. But is it which one? Are we creating? Are we being guided?

Like, are they happen simultaneously? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we are creators ourselves, right? So we were created by the great creator, the great source of all things, which is an energetic field. that allows us to become whatever we desire to be. But what ended up happening, though, is we were given free will to choose.

So we were given all the creative abilities. We were given this mechanism to be able to have whatever we want in any way to dream it up and to live it. But we were also given free will to choose. And so how we choose is through our belief systems, through our feelings and through our actions. And so when I started realizing, okay, God wants me to be abundant and prosperous. God really wants me to help change the world. God wants me to make a difference. So then I had to say, okay, well, then who does Kathleen need to be in order to do that? How do I need to show up in order to do that? And then what started happening is as I started to step into, I call my most empowered self. Like the version of myself with as many limits removed as possible from my thinking, then I start to hear God's messages. So God's like, okay, Kathleen, do this, go here, talk to this person, show up and do this. And so acting upon my intuition, I call it the intuitive force. So acting upon that intuitive force, it then has you co-creating.

So I'm moving towards God's giving me messages and guidance and I'm following through. And I'm doing. I also believe that we guide and direct this source energy you want to call it. So I will say, okay, God, you want me to make a difference to teach manifestation to the world in a normalized way. but you know what we're going to do it like this and God says okay yes and so if I if I said to God okay you know what I'm not worthy I'm not good enough I know you want me to if you want me to do it no I don't believe in myself God says okay we're not going to do it because we have the free will to choose so I bring God along for the journey with me even in the gym even in the gym you know

God we're going to the gym right now we are going to take care of our bodies will you help my body repair itself, will you help my body grow and become stronger? And I do that a lot through conversations with God, but also with prayer. I love that. And if you're not a religious or spiritual person, how does that work? If you're not religious and not spiritual in any way, shape, or form, I would just have you start to ask the questions about what if there is something to what we're talking about today. Yeah. Right. The only. way that you got like source energy universe god is with you every way every day you are connected you are one with the great source of all yeah only way that you kind of disconnect quote on quote

is to just not believe yeah when you don't believe in something that makes it unreal for you it doesn't mean that god's not there it just mean that you're almost like turning your back away from it and not able to benefit from it i think so many women feel like you can feel like you can feel Like if I want to lose 60 pounds, 20 pounds, 60 pounds, 260 pounds, I can feel that. I know that's what's driving me is I can close my eyes and I can feel what my life is going to be like. Like, how do I show up in the morning? What are the conversations I have with people? How do I go away for the weekend? How does that version of me vacation? We can feel it. And if we can feel it, therefore then we create it. Is this a matter of retraining your brain or working on belief?

Well, it's the same thing because the truth is what we are is what is aware of our thinking. What our real and true essence is is what is aware of the belief systems that are patterned and programmed. And so when we understand that much of what we believe to be true in the world is actually just a culmination of beliefs that have been patterned and programmed over time, we understand we can change it, we can manipulate it. So then I asked myself, okay, what is a belief that would serve me now that's greater? So the gym, for example, I was telling myself, I hate going to the gym. Oh, it's so masculine. I feel uncomfortable. I feel like everybody's watching. I don't fit in. Like, this was the beliefs that I had in my body. Well, was I born hating the gym? No. Where did that come from? Right. So then I started to say, okay, so what belief would serve me better then? Well, it would

believe me, it would serve me better to believe that I like it there, that I actually want to go there, that it's an environment that I'm comfortable in. And so guess what? I had to do. I had to go to the gym. So then I get there and the old me is like, oh, you hate it here. And I said, no, no, no, not today. We are going to go to the gym today and we're going to love it. And then guess what happened by the end of that first workout? I realized it's not so bad. So what was actually happening was I was uncomfortable with the gym because it wasn't normal for me to go there. Now, I go five days a week. I love that. I can walk in any gym, no problem. I love that. What you resist, persist. I hear one of our members is saying this conversation is feeling my soul in all the best ways.

You brought so much energy and so much light to the conversation. Before we go, I want to ask you, how do you get yourself out of your darkest days when you are just feeling like failure, you're not motivated? Maybe you're dealing with grief. You know, maybe it's a loved one or grief of a life that you feel like you're not living. like how do you get yourself out of your darkest moments? Yeah. One of the things that I've learned along the journey and especially with the power of positive thinking, a lot of times people will teach you to like change your energy, be happy, be positive.

But what is so important is that you allow yourself to notice the emotions that you're feeling and let the emotion be present, be visible, be experienced, and then let it go. Right? Let it go. So, for example, the other night, I had something happened in my life where somebody left my life, left the business, but was also a friend. And I sat there with myself and I said, okay, what am I feeling right now? I can feel this.

And I was like, you know what? I feel sadness. I feel grief. But is it okay to feel those things? Of course. It's normal and it's natural to feel those things. So I let myself have a little cry and this is what I teach my daughters. Do you need to go have a little cry?

And they're like, I do. I say, okay. So we have a little cry. Okay, we let it out. Guess what? I felt amazing and then the energy moved. I let it go. But you have to allow it to be present.

So I give it a name. I'll say like, oh, what am I feeling right now? Oh, sadness. Oh, grief. Oh, I feel loneliness. Oh, I feel disappointment. I feel shame. But the key to it then is to allow yourself to feel it and then switch it to let it go and move it.

Don't suppress. Don't push to the side because it literally stays in our body and on our body. I love that. Let it out, but don't keep letting it out and letting it out and letting it out and letting it out and telling the story over and over and over and over and over again. You know, a friend of mine used to call it sitting in your soggy diaper. We're not going to do that. So the power of like emotional regulation, emotional discipline, emotional consistency is to feel it and to let it go. But don't go call 75 friends and tell the story 75 times.

Why do we do that? That's a question for another day. I'm going to tell you where you can follow Kathleen and get in contact with her. Before I do, Kathleen, what's one thing that someone can do today to just change how they're feeling or their mindset or just just one small thing someone can do today? The thing that's given me the most freedom is to love myself unconditionally. So no matter if I go to the gym today, no matter if I eat healthier meals today, no matter what that scale says today, no matter what the past 30 days have looked like, I'm going to love myself anyways. Yeah. Yeah. I just was reading a comment as you were saying that. Someone says, I love this, Francesca, but sometimes the depth of pain is hard. Is that about just kind of you keep going deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper? The higher you go spiritually, the less depth you will feel in your emotional experience.

Right? Most people are living an emotional life. And an emotional life is very, very ego-driven. And I say this very kindly. It's very, very egoic. And what I mean by that is we have a part of our mind called the personal mind or the egoic mind. And it looks to keep us safe. It looks to protect us. But it also tries to minimize us and keep us small because it's meant to keep us safe and keep us comfortable. So for 30 years, I was in this place where I was very, very much making everything about me. And my egoic and personal mind was taking everything too personal. I was way too sensitive. And I was replaying negative emotions in my mind on repeat. So the higher I go, what I mean by that is spiritually aligned. The more I start to realize that I'm like on a rock spinning in the universe. And I'm upset because I gain two pounds on the scale. Like when you look at it from a different perspective and a different lens, you realize a lot of these things that we are focused upon, we're giving our time and our energy to things

that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. And so the depth of your emotional experience will be a lot more lightened if you allow yourself to move out of the egoic mind. Don't take things so personal. don't make so many things about you and realize that there is a lot of really beautiful parts of life going on that you're not even seeing because your mind's not looking for it. Yeah, your mind's not looking for it. It takes work to see it from a different lens.

And especially with grief, like I think sometimes what people do is they want to validate their grief so much. I am so sad that you physically almost trash your body to feel that, to feel it. And then you, that's, you want to feel the feeling, I am so sad that you keep yourself stuck there. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like the, and then the pain becomes normal and you feel protected and you feel safe. But then that's that. There's so much more, but you have to do the work to see the, see it from a different lens.

One, one thing that I'll say that has been this, that has been so helpful for me over the past few years. I've had a lot of loss in my life. And, um, when I begin. became, when I become my emotions is where the identity then becomes the feeling. So I'm sad, therefore I'm a sad woman. So instead, I don't become the emotion. I experience the emotion. So I'm an empowered woman who is having a sad moment. That's very different, right? So I don't become a sad woman walking around. I'm still empowered. So I can be going to the gym. I can. I can be going to the gym. I can be eating healthy and I can be grieving the loss of my grandmother the day before.

There is this thing where we start to feel guilty that we're not grieving the loss of someone 24-7. Yes. But we don't have to do that. We can still grieve loss while still building a business, while still having fun with our children and raising our kids, while still eating healthy and going to the gym. But you can't do that if you are just living grief, then that's the only, like that's it. Yep. So I tell myself, I am a very empowered woman who's having a sad moment and it's okay. It's allowed. Oh my gosh. You have given us, I'm going to leave it right there because you have given us so much. Please come back. Please come back because I know there's so much more. You can talk about it. You can actually follow Catherine over on YouTube is probably the best place to find her, but across all social media. Kathleen Cameron, manifest. If you want to reach out, she's.

offers courses and sessions and all sorts of amazing stuff. You can DM her over on Instagram. She is actually on there like me. We are just discussing how we do have a team that helps us, but we actually go on there and respond to people. We want to know what our community is up to. Thank you to everyone who joined us live. If you're watching or listening after the fact, we appreciate you. I know you love this conversation. Kathleen Cameron, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Gina. And thank you, everybody for listening, giving me your time, your space, your attention, I don't take it for granted. So thank you. All right. Have an amazing day, everyone. Thanks. See you next time. Bye, everybody.