The Livy Method Podcast - Is the scale your friend or foe?

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

Done losing your weight? Does the scale still serve a purpose? Let's talk about it!Gina Livy and Maintenance Program Manager Odette break down what it really means to maintain weight loss after reaching your goal, and why this phase is where the real work begins. From navigating real-life situations at your goal weight to trusting your body, strengthening daily routines, and embracing life without rigid dieting rules, this conversation highlights how maintaining is about more than just that number on the scale; it’s about identity, belief, and learning to live your life with intention. If you’ve ever wondered how to maintain your weight long term without falling back into old habits, this episode offers practical insight, reassurance, and a fresh perspective on what lasting success actually looks like.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTo learn more about The Livy Method and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and g-lp-1s? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wankery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Living Method podcast.

Well, hello. Hi. Just scrolling online. I know I was just scrolling online too. I was just reading this post. It's not a diet. It's not a program. It's a lifestyle. Sustainable results don't come from short-term diets or temporary programs. They come from habits. You can maintain long-term diets and programs. And your lifestyle is what determines your results. Yeah. I mean, isn't that what we fucking do here?

That's what we do here. And I think when it's that blanket statement, like it's habits that you can maintain long-term. people don't know what that means. What does that mean? You know, so I think we really break it down into these like digestible bits here. Like when we're talking about habits that you can sustain long term, it's about like not always doing. It's about being. Like it's not just doing these things. It's about being these things. But when you just have this blanket term, habits you can sustain long term, what does that even mean? Yeah. And it's like it's that perception because what are we used to? What do we know? We do diets. We starve ourselves.

We fit our ass into our genes. We struggle to keep the weight off. We gain it back. We do it again. It's this vicious cycle, right? Like, is it that we want to lose weight or we just want to feel really good? Like, if you felt fantastic, would it really, and you were super confident. And would you really give a shit what your fucking weight was?

No, you probably wouldn't. Right? Because if you felt good and you felt confident, you felt amazing, you probably also look great, too. Like, I don't know. It was interesting because I'm just having a conversation with the app team. And as you know, we're kind of, we're doing a soft lunch of our maintenance program within the app. And I was talking about to the team about the summertime because we're going to do our summer club. But really, the base of our program should be a lifestyle app with the option of opting into a 91 day weight loss session, right?

or a 91-day maintenance session to keep you motivated. But the base of it is lifestyle. It's what you're doing every day, right? If you think about that, it's about making changes that you need to make because you can't see change without making change. You want to change your life, change how you feel. You have to change things. And you can't just change the channel and go back to what you did before.

You have to maintain and sustain those changes. Yeah. It's so funny, this whole thing was created as a lifestyle program and no one wanted to buy it because everyone just wanted to lose weight. And then I was like, okay, I'm not going to try not to be a diet because when I started these large groups, this is where like weight watchers was trying not to be a diet. Nume was trying not to be a diet and they were getting slams. And I'm like, I don't give a shit what you call it. It works. But this is where it always was designed as a lifestyle. And so you've lost weight implementing certain changes. Now you need to upkeep. those changes in a sense because you can eat breads and pastas now and still be able to maintain your weight. And I know you want to talk about this today, right? Like I know you want to talk about this today. You don't want to be challenged. Every time you do eat breads and pastas, it challenges your body. You eat late at night. You don't get the sleep. You don't get the rest. You're it's about when you're in weight loss, you're helping the body focus on fat loss. When you're in maintenance, you're helping the body to solidify the weight that you've lost, which means have your heart get used to

pumping blood through your new size of body. Have your hormones adjust around the new size of your body, right? Like beyond just supporting the lifestyle changes, it's helping your body physically to solidify that weight. So that's the difference. That's the difference in maintenance. And so you don't want to fuck with that. Don't fucking mess it up because you're so quick to go back into old habits.

You're so quick to want to have bread and eat at night and do all the things. You work so hard to lose your weight. Now you just want to fight tooth and nail to give your body the time, right? And what it needs to adjust to your new weight sooner rather than later. That's what this is about. That's what this is. That sounded really intense. Well, it's serious talk.

It is. I'm talking. Can I tell you how much I enjoyed the Q&A last night? Oh, I loved it too. So I was actually driving, listening to it. I went to pick up my daughter from work. and she's, you know, she gets in the garchelle chatting. I'm like, don't talking.

I'm listening. It was so good. And the vibe was good. And the members were asking questions. I mean, I loved it. I loved it. And like I said, who I said it to yesterday, but those nighttime vibes, there's just something about them, those lives, right?

They're just different. There's less, I don't know if there's like this less expectation that you have to take so much from it that you're more open to taking, you know, something from it. Yeah. I didn't think that was going to happen. I didn't think I was going to pick up anything, you know, pick up something different. I thought we were just going to come on here and, you know, shoot the shit. But it was really, it was really, really great. And I love it a good nighttime live. And I think our members liked it too. I mean, there's like, you know, a lot of people watching. Well, you know, I love the maintenance conversation. Like, yeah, love it. I love it. I didn't realize it caught me off guard how much I would really enjoy it. Don't get me wrong. I love chatting with you. But it was. In the evening, it's relaxed, guard down. Let's show. shoot the shit. Let's hang. Let's talk about it. Right. Yeah. And I think it's also this time of day where you've kind of lived the day already. You know, in the morning, you're still amped up a little bit. Or even at noon, you're still amped up a little bit. You have so much of the day left.

You know, and what have I done this morning? What do I still have to do this afternoon? Where at night, it's like, this is just a time to come and be calm. And I mean, we were pretty, I was pretty jacked out. I wasn't very calm listening. But it was, you know, it's this place where you can come, your day is done. You know, let's just, let's just all hang together and say what we want to say. Yeah. Judy's saying I missed it. Will it be more.

Yeah, every Tuesday night. Every Tuesday. Well, unless I got like something going on, obviously, I got life happening. So I can't commit to every Tuesday night. But yes, I am going to be going live Tuesday nights in the maintenance right here in the maintenance program. Yeah. So you'll have us Monday, Monday, Tuesday. and Wednesday. Yes. Yeah. And it's a, and like I, to members, it's their time. It's their time to come

and ask. You know, it's like we always say these lives aren't mandatory. There's so much good stuff that comes out of them. But a Q&A is different because this is your time to really come and have your question answered and, and not have to think you have to take, like I said earlier, take so much from it. Just come with your question, get your question answered. And chances are, if you have a question that, that you want to ask, somebody else has that same question. Oh, and sometimes people think it's the stupidest or silliest questions ends up being the best ones. Yeah, like let's chat it out. Let's chat it out. What do you want to discuss? What do you want to weigh or not to weigh? Is that on the docket? Yes. I mean, how is everybody doing? How are we doing? We got some attorney members, new members, before we get into the scale. Like, how are you doing?

The vibe right now is amazing. So, you know, on the first day, which was only two days ago, I feel like it was so long ago. first day with two days ago, you know, there's this, there's this excitement. Like, I'm excited to be here. I still don't know what this is all about, but I'm here for it. And I feel like that's still continuing. You know, we're a few days in. Everybody's here for it. There is some nervousness. Like, okay, I'm just going to settle in this week, see what I've signed up for, see what's happening, be open-minded. There's also this, this idea of, okay, I'm in maintenance. now so I can just chill a little bit. You know, I'm in maintenance now. I can just, I've got a bit more wiggle room. My diet is done. What does that, you know, what does that mean that my diet is done?

So now I can just, you know, put down everything that I already picked up. So there's a little bit of that as well. So, and overall, though, I think members are ready. They're ready for this next stage. They're still feeling super excited about hitting their goal. But they're ready to learn. Like, what does this mean? why are we here? What are we doing? And what's the next step for me? Yeah, that'd be my advice too. There's a lot to learn. Again, I was talking to the app team. They're like, well, what, but maintenance? And I said, no, it's like, it's a whole thing. It's its own program. It's all about the intention behind weight loss versus the intention about helping your body to maintain and sustain your weight. I love this, Christine. Every fat, every program, bouncing, gaining, then starving since I was 13.

My highest weight was close to 280, maintained around 150 until 12 years ago and then just up gaining. 30 or so. Now I'm under 140, feeling great. My new lifestyle is second round on maintenance for life. And this is so important to reflect on that. Like we always say to people, weight loss, reflect on your weight loss journey. Right. Like it's so, it's so important to take a step back and be like, okay, so what am I doing differently this time? What do I need to learn this time? What are my, you know, what are the issues that like get excited about working through your shit, right? Like, you don't want to go back there. So now that you're in this place, and feeling great, that's when you reflect on it, not when you're in the shit.

Like, it's not when you're in it that, like, you're not trying to swim when you're drowning, right? You're not trying to learn to swim when you're drowning. It's, it's right now when you're like, okay, I feel good. Be like, okay, so what's my, what's my deal here? What are, what is some of the things I know I need to be intentional about working on? What do I still have issues with? And the scale is, the scale is, like, what are your thoughts when you get on the scale? Are you celebrating every day? Are you disappointed that the scale isn't moving even though you're in maintenance? Like what's going on there?

The scale is a great in your face. Here's what you need to work on. Yeah. And that's like one of the biggest questions that we get. Like should I continue to weigh myself? You know, I think when people started, you know, the way, the living method, weight loss program, they're like, what do you mean? I have to weigh myself every day.

How can I do that? That's like, that's going to be so triggering. That's not, you know, I want to avoid the scale. I want to go just by how my. closed feel. Now that they've done that, they've weighed themselves every day and they're here in maintenance and they are asking, do I keep weighing myself? What do I, what do I, what do I do do? If I'm not trying to just see that lowest low, why am I continuing to use the scale? Yeah. And the scale at this point is so important. I mean, it's always been important, but it's so

important at this stage for data collection, for getting to know your fluctuations. Because what's going to happen is you've been going for that lowest low. And now the scale is going to be fluctuating. And you're like, I don't like this. I don't like these fluctuations. They're uncomfortable. I don't get it. Why am I seeing them? And this is the point where we start to really connect the dots in maintenance. We really start connecting the dots about what the scale is saying and what our actions are, what our choices are. So this is really important to get to know your own personal patterns. It's important to get to know who you are. It's important to get to know how what your range is going to look like because you could be at that higher end of your range and still feel fantastic.

Yeah. No. So, but looking at that and be like, oh, my number's high, I'm, you know, I'm going to start to spiral here and forget that I still feel fantastic and all these reasons why my scale is high. So it's really data collection. And the one thing I want to say, too, is that weighing yourself every day and collecting that data and getting to know your own patterns can really start to rewrite your belief of diet culture and your belief that your history has to repeat itself. And this neuroplasticity, this reprogramming, we think of the scale as just this, you know, metal piece on the floor. But this is a really important tool to help with that neuroplasticity, to help with that

reprogramming. It can be therapy. Your scale can be therapy, like your therapist bringing. shit up for you to work on and work through, right? This sort of goes in line with the questions that I covered last night that you sent me, right? Currently at the higher end of my range, I'm starting to feel uncomfortable, right? Is it about the number on the scale or is it about the choices that you are making that you're not feeling so great? So maybe like, you know, I know whenever I go back to drinking wine, it messes with my sleeve. I just feel, bleh. It doesn't matter

what the scale says. I just don't feel good. Right. On this other one from, Bonnie last night, I feel like I've lost my set point up and down on the scale by five pounds, driving me nuts, have I lost a set point? Up and down on the scale is so normal. So it doesn't mean that you've ruined anything. Doesn't mean you're going to gain your weight back. That's where in weight loss, you're tracking your weight to see what weight loss looks like and feels like. And you are tracking in maintenance to see what maintenance now looks like and feels like on the scale. So I'm like, use it every day as a therapist it is. Or guess your weight. I think that's also a really, like, I think that's like a great practice too, is to you don't,

you don't need to get on the scale to know if you indulge the night before that what your weight's going to be. You're going to know. You're feeling freaking fantastic because you've been, you know, working out and getting sleep and, you know, you don't need the scale to tell you that. And so what I like is the guessing game where it's like, you know, guess the number. I don't have to get on my own scale. Like I always guess the number before I get on the scale.

And I'm always right. I'm like within like even like a point whatever. Oh, I think I'm like 131 point whatever. Try that. Try to be like, okay, what do I think my, based on how I'm feeling. And if you have a feeling your weight is going to be up, ask yourself why. Oh, my body's sore today. Oh, I had those salty chips last night.

What do I think my weight is going to be? And then your brain is wired around being in tune with how you feel first, not the scale. It's hard to get in tune with the feeling first when the number fucking pisses you off. It's hard to feel anything else other than pissed off. Yeah. The scale shouldn't dictate how you're going to feel that day or the scale shouldn't dictate the decisions you're going to make that day. It should just be a reflection of, you know, what's going on with you. It shouldn't be there to be like, okay, this is the number today.

These are the choices I have to make. No, this is how I feel today. I'm getting on the scale. Oh, it's reflecting that on the scale. scale. So these are the choices that I'm going to have to make based on how I feel. Yeah. And you can use it as accountability partner. But my point is you shouldn't need the scale. You should already know based on how you feel. Every Monday I know. Yeah, right. Like the number on the scale isn't the accountability. It's you recognizing, okay, I am making choices that don't make me feel good. You, you already know that

before you get on the scale. So you don't need that slap in the face for you to understand. Like, Okay, yeah, all right. Yeah, I think an interesting point, too, is if you find yourself avoiding the scale, like, oh, I'm not going to weigh myself because I did this or I'm not going to weigh myself because I did that. That's also like an important, an important piece of awareness. Like, are you avoiding the scale because, excuse me, you don't want it to confirm that. I did this overindulged or whatever it might be. I did it last week because I, you know, I've got to do a photo shoot and I want to feel my best. It's not about a certain size, but I just would have making choices that I went away like for a couple days with Tony and we made it a wellness retreat.

So I was in bed like eight, nine o'clock latest like sleeping up super early, drinking tons of water, eating super healthy, meditating, walking on the beach, swimming. Like I felt like a rock star when I came back. And then I came back to like my kid. I got a kid with like addiction issues and whatever. I should hit the fan. And then I was back to, I didn't drink, but I was just back to eating crap, not giving a fuck, whatever. And I just immediately felt like garbage. And I could tell it was reflecting in my weight, my body, the heaviness.

And then I was like, oh, God. I was sitting in the bathroom. I'm like, just get on the scale. But part of me was like, get on the scale to face your reality, honey. So I can't say it wasn't worth it. And then I got on the scale and it wasn't actually as bad as I thought it was going to be. Because I think a lot of the weight that I was carrying had nothing to do with my physical weight. I was just going to say, like, I think sometimes we feel heavier and we feel, we just don't feel as good.

So automatically we think, oh, that must mean that my weight is up. That must mean I've gained weight because I just don't feel right. I don't feel as good as I did. You know, when in reality it really is nothing to do with your weight. It just has to do with what you have going on around you or what you're carrying besides pounds. Yeah. Or that like is your weight up because you are eating, you know, chippies or is your weight up because you haven't been sleeping great because you're dealing with some stress, right? Or maybe you just don't feel as good because you're used to moving your body every day and you haven't been doing that. So you just feel a little slow and sluggish, right? So how is how is the scale functioning as your wellness partner in your maintenance journey? Right. It shouldn't be a nemesis or an enemy or have you changed. the name of your scale, right? Like, if you gave your name a scale in weight loss, what's the name of your scale in maintenance, right? Yeah, I still remember, I'm going to call out Shalane here.

So Shalane is one of our, on our management team. So her scale's name is Bernice. And I'll never forget because she would talk about Bernice and how she was best friends with her one day and best friend and then her arch enemy the next day. So maybe it's time for Bernice to get a new name. Maybe it's time for all of us to change our scale needs. Right? Yeah. Think about it. Like, who are you now?

You're changing and evolving your scales. Like, what about me, bitch? Yeah. Maybe your scale is your foe and is now your best friend. What's your relationship with your scale now? I'm into it. I'm into it. There's, Christina, I like to weigh.

Amaze that my sleep seems to be the biggest determinant, deterrent of a little bump on the way. Yeah, actually. For sure. every time I'm not getting, every time I'm not going to see. And you know, you and I've had these conversations with members before and we've had members being like, I love weighing. I lost a lot of weight. Every day, I love getting on the scale and seeing it down, even if there's some fluctuations. It's like, yeah, hey, I did that. And great. Like, it's, it's all about your mentality and your mindset.

Yeah. Whereas we've also talked to some people who were so happy they reached their goals, continue to get on the scale every day and we're miserable because it wasn't moving. when they weren't trying to move it. And it didn't even occur to them. They just continued the pattern of getting on the scale, being disappointed, getting on the scale, being on disappointed. And it wasn't really until we were in a conversation there. Like, wait, why am I, I'm not trying to lose weight.

So why am I being disappointed every morning when I'm not seeing a weight loss on the scale when the whole point is to maintain it, which they were doing? Yeah. So we don't even think about that, right? No, we don't think about that. And that's exactly what we mean by, like, changing that. It's that neuroplasticity. it's changing your thinking past, getting rid of that old diet dialogue and diet culture that's

stuck in your head. If the scale's not moving, I must be failing. If the scale is not moving, that it must be going up. You know, it's that it's changing that thinking. And the more you get on the scale, the more you write it down, the more you ask, you know, and get curious about what that number says and connect those dots. That's going to start to reprogram. That's where that, that's going to all start changing for you because you haven't done this before. No one's told you before that it's okay that your scale fluctuates. It's okay that if your numbers are going up. You don't have to be constantly trying to get lower and lower and lower. It's okay to be staying at the steady state. It's like this self-imposed plateau, you know, like you're trying to get there. Whoever said

you're allowed to have a self-imposed plateau, it's okay. You know, so the more that we look at that number in this plateaued range, the more it's going to become your norm and the more it's going to be, the more confident and you're going to feel, you know, being at that, in that range. Mm-hmm. Shalanne. She's still a saucy piece. That's okay. That's okay.

I thought maybe she was. So let's give her a new name, Shalant. Let's give her name. Yeah. She's like, fuck you, bitch. Yeah. She needs an overall. What do you want to talk about now?

I just wanted to talk about. we're still in prep week here. Yes. I think that, you know, we're all in the pursuit of getting this done and getting going. And this is still your prep week. This is still your week to be here and be comfortable and get to know everybody. And we're going to do a roll call tomorrow. We want everybody to just introduce themselves and just be comfortable in this new space.

Don't feel like you have to rush through everything or have it all figured out. This is still your prep week. And even next week, I mean, there's no expectation to have it all figured out. It's just going to, you're just going to be a bit more comfortable. So this is your prep week. Get settled in. Let's start thinking about how we want to use the scale. Let's start thinking about those habits that, excuse me, make us feel good.

And remembering here that our diet is not done because we weren't really on a diet. Maybe we were doing a diet. We're not on a diet. we are creating this life that we want that we see for ourselves and getting your head wrapped around that. But that's where we are right now. Yeah. And take a take some time this week to like not just do the same shit you did last time. Right. Like or if you're transitioning from weight loss into maintenance, like what are you still having your weight loss breakfast? Do you know? Like yes, I know we want to have the components, but maybe this is where you step out of your comfort zone a little bit. Try a little,

try something a little differently. Like, do you want to keep doing the same old shit? Or do you know what I mean? Like, is there a way that you can embrace this next level and layer for you? Like, you are evolving. You're changing and you're evolving. So you've got to start owning who this person is. So this is almost like you're continuing to design the life that you want to live,

beyond maintenance, right? What comes next? What's after weight loss? What's after active maintenance? What does just living your life look like? And yes, okay, there's some work to do between now and now. then you absolutely want to solidify your weight with the maintenance program that we're doing. But yeah, where are you at?

What do you need? Like in journaling. So, for example, routine is really important. Body loves routine, which is why the routine is very similar to what we do in weight loss, but the intention is completely different, right? So make sure you read those posts and really understand the difference. Like you should make it your mission to understand the difference of what you're doing now in maintenance from what you did before in weight loss.

But things like being part of the community, right, popping in every day, watching the check-in video, saying something in the community. Science tells us that when you are more engaged, you are more successful. When you do things like set that routine, check-in video, say good morning, whatever, you're more likely to continue that behavior. The more likely, the more you continue to show up, the longer you are going to show up for and the more likely you're going to reach results. App, tracking in the app, if you have the app, right? We know that people who use their app more end up losing more weights than people who don't. Journaling also really important. But what are you journaling now?

Like, you know, maybe you're still writing down your food last time, right? Like maybe go a little bit deeper this time, which I mean, journaling helps people be more successful too, right? Yeah. Yeah, it really is about that elevation, taking it to the next level. And it's not even necessarily, you know, if elevation seems like it's, it's too much like elevating going for more. Just maybe think of it as an evolution.

It's just a change, right? It can stay on the same level, but we're just evolving. We are just changing. We're just taking it looks about. And I love that breakfast example you said about, are you still having the same breakfast, you know, and you think, so I mean,

and I just thought, because there was a member in the group yesterday that was talking about, they never thought about how certain foods affected them. So they were, you know, having their dairy and having their cheese. And then as they started to become more in tune, it was like, oh, I notice that it kills my appetite when I do that.

So then are you still having that yogurt breakfast and that yogurt breakfast makes your tummy hurt every day? But you're eating it because it falls into the protein category. Like, let's think of that evolvement. Let's think of like that next level. What's the best choice for me, not just the choice that fits? That's where this, you know, where this can go over the next 90, 89 days. How many days are I left?

And doing the things you're avoiding. If you keep eating that dairy and it's giving you the shit, it probably doesn't sit well with you. Right. You keep, you know, you keep insisting on adding in your breads because you waited a long time to add them in and it's just giving you a tummyache and making you feel bloated. Like try sourdough bread, put your bread in the freezer, try to create that resistance. It's like it's not all or nothing attitude, right? Maybe try a different type of yogurt or whatever that might be.

Yeah. It's just that evolution. to know yourself, getting to feel your best, living that life. I mean, there's going to be blips along the way, of course. We all know that. But it's just about being open to that, being curious, using, you know, it's a new skill set. It's a new mindset. And it's just prep week. It's still prep week. So it's still perfect. Yeah. So, yeah, so have fun. You want to say everything. I want to like say everything. Like, this is what we're doing. This is what we're saying. This is what you're going to learn. This is what you're going to do. We're excited. We're excited. We need to chill. We're the ones who

need to chill, Odette. I know. I know. Yeah, because you can, you can have lost your weight and still need to get in tune to your portions. You can lost your weight and still focus on self-love and acceptance and trusting yourself. You can have lost your weight and, you know, still, you know, be choosing foods that make you don't, that make you not feel well. You know what I mean? Like, what do you need to focus on and work on? What's the, what's the next? And not more. It's not do more. what's it's it's not do more right it's figuring on what you need to do and focus on and work through so yeah we're going to have a lot of fun right we're going to have a lot of fun with this and I think show up every day what make it meaningful for you make it resonating for you um it's so it's the work

worth doing nobody gets here nobody does it they don't have an answer for sustainable weight loss because it takes too much work to teach people how to do it And there's no fucking money in it. No. Right? There's no fucking money in it. Weight Watchers doesn't give a shit about you losing weight. They're just all about bottom line and shareholders.

They definitely don't care about you maintaining it because if you did, you wouldn't keep paying them, you know. This is possible. I'm like 30 years. I've been maintaining my weight. So this is the work that's really important here. So frame it in your mind as such. Right?

Yeah. It doesn't have to be more work. Nope. I don't like that was a little intense, but. That's okay. Already. It's like day three. I know, but next week we'll be back to all jokes and rainbows, so comes and good.

We need both sides. You need both sides. I'm here for fun. Don't get, don't get me wrong. I just, yeah, right? Like, it's appropriate, be kind, be patient. It's about lasting change. It's not what you're doing this week.

That's true. Yeah, there's Angela. First day of maintenance. Looking forward to this next chapter. Thank you for the conversation. Well, thank you all for joining us. Those of you who watch live, you shared your comments, questions. Yeah, we love that. Keep that coming. And if you're listening afterwards, either because you've caught this stored in the guides or you're downloading and by listening by way of podcast, we appreciate you. Listen, also, we're still selling our weight loss program. It's still time to join. So if you know anyone who's interested in joining our lifestyle program

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We're the best. Okay, love you. Thanks for that. Bye. Bye, everyone. Thanks. Bye.