The Livy Method Podcast - Maintenance & Mindfulness: Maintenance Midweek Motivation - March 26, 2025

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Welcome to your Midweek Motivation!In this week’s Midweek Motivation, Odette and Kim explore one of the most powerful transitions in the maintenance journey: moving from trusting the process to trusting yourself. They unpack the emotional weight of Personalizing The Plan, how to interpret hunger cues without falling back into old habits, and why “Should I eat?” might be the most misunderstood question of the week. With relatable stories, honest reflections, and some real talk about showing up in this season of life, this conversation is a reminder that leaning into the unknown is part of growth.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTo learn more about The Livy Method and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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So it's Wednesday, it's the day here in maintenance where we come together, talk midweek motivation. I'm always here. I'm Odette. I'm the manager of the maintenance and mindfulness group, of course. And today we have Kim joining us. Hello, Kim. Hello, everyone. We always love when Kim is here gives us the new I mean, we love when Jean is here too, of course, but giving us a fresh

perspective and some insights. As everyone knows, we follow along the same timeline with the maintenance program that we do with the weight loss program in terms of the tweaks that we're talking about. Always a little bit of a different message and a different intention here, but I know that over in the weight loss group, you guys are also talking personalizing the plan and all that comes with it. How's it going over there? Good.

Yeah. I was super excited to get invited here today because a I love this group and miss you guys. But B also because Gina and I got really fired up when we were talking this morning in the tweak this week about personalizing the plan and the topic. And then when you sent me what you were talking about, I was like, yes, yes, we can keep on this amazing conversation. But yeah, it was, it's a really interesting time. And I'm always thinking of everyone here in the maintenance group during this period of the program, because, you know, when I'm members are asking questions about what's next, I'm always thinking about the experiences

in here and digging around in the group and thinking about what some of, you know, the great people that we've talked to in the past in the maintenance group have shared about maintenance. So yeah, it's a very exciting time and hot topic of personalizing the plan in the weight loss group too. Yeah, it is a hot topic and I think it really brings up a lot of feelings. You know, we talked a lot about this week how the tweak is personalizing the plan, but in maintenance, we're really working towards this place of trust. You know, you trusted the process and now trusting yourself.

And that's where this tweet can really become a really effective and impactful tool, because, you know, when we talk about freedom and flexibility with food choices, we're not talking about going rogue. And so we have members that only know the program or they only know that the way that they used to be. So, you know, old habits, old ways, old thinking patterns. So now that they're having to take everything they've learned and apply it in this more personal way, I think can bring up a lot of feels. And I love that you said you guys were fired up this morning on the tweet because we were really fired up last week. We were in the revamp and we were talking about coming into this week and it was a really emotionally charged week.

We knew what was coming. We knew where our members were gonna be going. We knew that there were a lot of big feelings coming. And sometimes at the end, when you come to the end of a program, whether it's the weight loss program, even now with our maintenance program, we can see the engagement start to drop off a little bit, or we can see that members are not quite checking in

quite as often as they normally can. But I feel like this time around that people are here and there is a bit of an energy. And I don't know if it's they're just being more comfortable being in this part of their journey, or if they are really leaning on the community. We've been talking a lot about community, leaning on the community to be able to feel vulnerable and ask the questions and share. So I'm loving that you guys were fired up because we were fired up last week. It's carried into this week. So let's get into it. Let's get into

talking about personalizing the plan. So on Monday, I know you weren't with us on Monday, but on Monday, Gina and I got into talking about, you know, personalizing the plan and how it works. And we were really, we talked about these questions where you ask yourself, you know, do I need to eat? And this is when, you know, you ask yourself, am I hungry? Yes, I am.

You know, so yes, I need to eat. Or could I eat? You know, I'm not really quite hungry, but I, you know, I ask yourself, am I hungry? Yes, I am. You know, so yes, I need to eat or could I eat? You know, I'm not really quite hungry, but I, you know, I could eat something. Let me just see how it goes. And then there's this part where I should I eat? And this is where you're asking yourself, you're checking in. I'm not quite hungry, but I know that if I don't eat now, there's going to be this long window. And I know from following the principles and doing the program, I don't want to leave be this long window. And I know from following the principles and doing the program,

I don't wanna leave this big long window. So this is where should I eat can come in. So we talked a lot about that and how some of our members are feeling a little bit, just apprehensive about this should I eat portion and not really getting it. And if this is going into, you know, restricting habits again. So we had a member comment in the group from Lauren, and I just thought this was such

a perfect example of where this should I eat can come in. So Lauren said, there are times now that in my 60s that I really don't feel like eating the snacks between meals. I know it's important to try and maybe have a bit so I do, but I don't feel hungry as much anymore. If I'm trusting listening to my body, should I be having the snacks? So I can see how this messaging would be, you would think it would be counterintuitive, right? Like, well, I'm not hungry, but I'm thinking that I should have the snacks anyways. Is that working against each other?

What would you say to that? Yeah, that is, we've had similar comments sort of in the weight loss group about that. Like, I'm not hungry, but, and that's for that time between, you know, that should I of, when is the next time I'm going to be eating? Because I think that's an area that when you're stepping into this, you know, the maintenance and thinking about what the rest of your life looks like, it's a slippery slope going from, well, I'm not really hungry right now, excuse me, so I'm not going to eat anything. And then all of a sudden, once you sort of push that aside, you forget to check in with yourself again, or something comes up and you're not able to have a snack, you're not able to get to a meal.

And that's when we start to realize, oh, it's been six hours, I haven't had anything to eat because I was caught out and I didn't have anything. And I think for myself in particular, that's what really was one of my big issues prior to joining the program, was going those long periods of time without eating. And I think this is sort of one of those things where you might not be hungry in the moment, but you kind of wanna sit in

what the rest of the day looks like. Like what if I'm not hungry in the moment and I know I can make it to my meal and snack, taking that next step to think about, oh, make it to my meal and snack, taking that next step to think about, oh, when is that next meal and snack going to be? Where am I going to be? Am I going to be prepared? Will I be out of the house? Should I be packing something? And I think maybe in maintenance, that's where you can take it to the next level. Whereas, in the weight loss group, it's like, oh, it's going to be this many hours. I'm going to make

sure I have token bites right now because it's going to be this long. I think it's really looking ahead and kind of preparing yourself for the day and anticipating those times when you might find yourself. Because I mean, I have examples all the time of when I get myself caught out there without any snacks or anything if I don't plan ahead. And I think that's where I can start to creep into old habits. How often is that happening where, oh, now I've gone and all of a sudden it's five hours and I haven't had anything to eat. And I think it's, you know, one thing to have one day where you're kind of like, oh, I'm not

hungry, I'm going to just wait and move on to my next meal or snack. But if you're consistently not having those and then going those long periods of time, that's where that kind of, you wanna find that balance in there. Yeah, I think the part that you said about planning is really important too. I think our members here in maintenance

have come so far with knowing themselves and understanding how routines are important and habit is important and and just you know reinforcing to our bodies that we're going to take care of it we are going to give it what it needs and when it comes to that I'm not feeling hungry should I eat feeling like it's opposites coming together it's you know know, we're asking our members now to lean on that knowledge of themselves again and say, you know, you know that your body is used to this.

You know your body works well when you are feeling it at appropriate times, you know, not going all day. And then you don't, you also don't wanna fall back into that habit like, oh, I did stretch it out for six or seven hours and I felt okay. So maybe I'll do that again the next day or maybe I'll do it again the next day.

And then it comes, then we're back into this pattern of doing these things that didn't serve us before. So I think this is where when we talk, should I eat is really one that might take the most practice or might take the most getting used to and not believing that, you know, you're forcing yourself to eat when you're not hungry and how that goes against, you know, everything. It really is about fueling your body in a way that it is used to and the way that, you know, you got to this point by fueling your body and being in tune and just asking yourself those questions. Like being aware of, oh, I'm not hungry,

but I should have a few more bites. It's gonna help you make decisions later on with more confidence as well. Yeah, and I think that awareness is the huge piece of it because even thinking like, why am I not hungry for it might be a good another step if something because obviously Lauren is concerned about this because you know, you know, thinking that way. So if if you have concerns that you're not hungry because you're falling into the

old habit of not listening to your body and not really checking in with yourself, then you know, you have work to do there. But you know, some people might just not be hungry because it's like, Oh, I had a very satisfying breakfast. I don't actually need anything else. I haven't, you know, done too much today. So I'm fine. I'm good. But if it's because you're busy, if it's because you're, you know, you're not thinking about how hungry you might be. You're not really checking in with yourself, whether you need something or not.

That's a different story. And you wanna make sure as long as you're confident that you're listening to your body when you are hungry, then those times when you're not hungry and you don't need anything and you really don't need anything to eat, you're gonna feel more confident the more confident you get when you listen to your body

when you do eat. So that confidence kind of goes both ways. If you make yourself very aware when you are hungry and maybe it's just a matter of maybe you're checking in with yourself and the snacks too soon after you have your breakfast because maybe you've changed what you're eating or maybe you've got your body's going through some changes

or something and you're feeling like you're eating or maybe you know you've got your body's going through some changes or something and you're feeling like you're you're digesting food a little bit differently or your your metabolism changes all the hormonal changes there's so many things that can be contributing to it. But if you're feeling like you aren't hungry as often, then think about whether it's because you're actually distracting yourself from checking in or are you maybe you're, you know, changing what you've been eating.

And now that the weather is starting to get a little bit better, if you've still been having those heavy winter fall foods and your body's craving something lighter, maybe that's sort of leading into causing you to not feel hungry for the meals and snacks. So different things like that, like think about why maybe you aren't, maybe you're trying to do everything too close together, maybe you need to think about your timing, like, oh, what happens if I check in with myself

an hour later versus right now? And maybe what happens if I have my breakfast a little bit earlier instead of waiting until 10 a.m. If I have it at eight, does that make a difference? Like just really being in tune with your scheduling and how you're setting up your days too can make a difference. Yeah, and I think what you said there about

why aren't you feeling hungry and being really thinking about that and analyzing that and just sitting with that for a few minutes. But then also I think what's important to remember is because you're not feeling as hungry today or you don't feel as hungry for two or three days in a row, doesn't mean that's going to change all of a sudden or not going to change. And then a few days from now, you're like, oh my gosh, I'm hungry all the time now.

And be open to that as well. Like what has changed? Why am I hungry? Are my food choices different? Is it the season? And I know it sounds like so much work, you know, it's always checking in and always being mindful and always thinking about these things. But this is the process now.

This is the process of really just being of learning. And Dr. Ruth said yesterday so much about learning opportunities and every, everything that you do can be a learning opportunity. I think this is where this comes in too. And you know, I think what's important for Lauren too is just, yeah, like Kim said, like just be in tune, check in with yourself anyways. If you're truly not hungry in the moment, and you've got time that you don't need to eat, then you don't need to have those snacks. But if you do look at your timing, and you do realize it's going to be hours and hours, you know, well beyond the five hours, then maybe it's a good idea to just be prepared, take your snack with you, or have a few token bites so your body can still feel good. There's a comment here from Irene, and she says, I feel like I should have dinner, even a small one. I eat early and too long until breakfast. And this might be part of Irene's routine. And it might be part of our

other members routine where if you know now personalizing the plan, you can skip, excuse me, you can skip dinner if you, you know, are not hungry for it. But then if you notice that by, you know, nine, 10 o'clock at night, you're like, oh, I'm really hungry now. You know, I maybe should have had that dinner. That's also a learning opportunity. Or if you do decide to have it and then you notice by the time you go to bed, yeah, I still feel pretty good. I feel satisfied. I feel like I did just fine.

I think learning from both of those decisions is where you want to go. So I think, yeah, if you're not hungry and you do skip and then you are noticing, you know, nine, 10 o'clock at night or whatever time you go to bed. I don't know anybody that goes to bed at nine o'clock. I mean, I wish, but you do, nice. So yeah, you wake up much earlier than I do though.

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Quite a few members mentioned in that dinner question in the weight loss group too. And it sort of is an ongoing thing. And I think for the people that aren't feeling hungry for it, it's even just like, or I think part of the issue is dinner is like, so many of us still look at dinner as like this, the biggest meal of the day or this big like elaborate meal. You know, there's always that option of more like of a snack like dinner where, you know, maybe you just take a little bit of the, you know,

salad and veg with a little bit of protein or have something light like fish that's sort of easy to digest. If you do feel like you need something, but dinner doesn't have to be this big production of like meats and like, you know, a large portion of protein with the big sides and things like that.

It can be just snack like as well. So there's that sort of in the middle. It doesn't have to be to dinner or not to dinner. It's like, do I need to eat something? It's, you know, if it is pretty early, I try to eat early, fairly early dinner as well, just to give my body some time and head out for a walk after dinner before I go to bed and stuff. I feel like some days I am hungry for it, other days I'm not, but I don't stay up super

late so I don't need to try to fuel myself or too late into the evening. Yeah, I think more of the story here is just be in tune, be open to asking yourself the questions, be open to figuring out what your personalized plan is going to look like. We can't say to one person that this is how it's going to be, and to the next person, this is also how it's going to be, because everybody is so different and your needs will change.

And even day to day, even person to person, day to day, those needs are always changing. I think it's just being open and stepping past that what if, stepping past the fear, what if I don't eat, what if I do eat? Just try it. Nothing's going to break. Really, just like Dr. Ruth said, everything

is a learning opportunity. So just keep checking in and asking those questions and it'll just become more of a natural process. Yeah, and I think you're always learning, always, always learning. Like every day is a chance to actually take in some more data about yourself and learning how you react to it.

And so this is an opportunity. If you're still asking these questions, like should I have dinner? That does mean you still have some learning to do about yourself and that it's gonna change. So you might not get those answers right away. This might take some time for you to figure it out, but yeah, part of it is all, it's all part of the process.

Yeah, well, I love that you said that about time because I wanted to talk about Dr. Ruth and her chat yesterday. I mean, we always love when Dr. Ruth is here and I've been talking to her a little bit more behind the scenes, you know, these last few weeks and just about her research and what she's coming up with and what she's learning from our research

and what she's learning from going to like the obesity conferences. And I know Gina said, we never know what she's learning from going to like the obesity conferences. And I know Gina said we never know what she's gonna say, you know, I never know when we have a conversation what she's gonna say, what's gonna unfold and she's just continues to you know, blow us away with her findings. And something she said yesterday during her conversation was that you have to give yourself time to get into your new way.

I think we want to be there already. We want it to be super easy already. We want to not think about it already. We want to already be there. But we're making massive change here. And one other word she said was was she was talking about outcomes. And you are changing your behaviors and you're changing your routines, you're changing your habits for this outcome. And this outcome at the end is, is these, these new behaviors, this new

identity, this new, you know, who you are and what you do. And I just kept going back to her saying, you need to give yourself time. And you know, coming to the end of this maintenance program, you're coming to the end of your weight loss program. And people, I think members are thinking, I want to be there already, you know, I want to be done already. And it really is time that sometimes and we say it in the weight loss group, you know, it's sometimes your body just needs time and sometimes your mindset just needs time as well.

So that was, I really loved that she said that, that you need time to really, you know, fall into this place of trust, to be able to work through the fear and to really become this person you are now on the other side. Yeah. The outcomes was my favorite part too

because the conversation about the outcome not being weight loss. Yes. And the outcome being that the changed relationship you have with food and your body that allows you to lose weight. And really where we are right here and now in maintenance is the outcome of the weight loss program and where you go next.

When you're done, you've solidified your weight and you've finished working through maintenance. That's the outcome of what you learned here. It wasn't the outcome of what you learned here. It wasn't, you know, the outcome isn't just weight loss, the outcome isn't just solidifying your weight, it is all of the things that you learned along the way in order for you to make this new life for yourself, for you are healthier, you are happier, and you don't have to think about your weight, you just wake up

and look good and feel good. And I think that's the big piece that you can't weigh, count or measure that away. You can't weigh yourself every day on the scale and get to that outcome. That outcome comes from that work that you're putting in right now and what you're learning. Yeah. So we have Valerie here. So everybody knows Valerie. Hi, Valerie. And she's saying, I'm a prime example of have Valerie here. So everybody knows Valerie, hi Valerie. And she's saying, I'm a prime example of needing time mentally. I mean, Valerie's been such a vocal member of our group.

She's talked about, you know, her wins. She's talked about some challenges, you know, and she has talked about, you know, making decisions and changing her mind. And that's all, you know, part of it. And so, I mean, I love that she said that, that she's the prime example and I'm sure there's more of them out there.

I mean, I think we all have a little bit of that, just taking the time. And when you were saying about outcomes, the outcome is not weight loss, now that we're in maintenance, that's not the outcome. The outcome is getting to the other side and being that person who can say, I am a person who does this now. I am a person that eats, you know, that makes good choices the majority of the

time. I'm a person that moves my body. I'm a person that believes I'm worth it and they take the time, you know, for self-care and for self-appreciation. I'm a person that does these things now. And I think that takes time to wrap your head around that. It's not just I am this person in this smaller, thinner, lighter body, I'm the person that does these behaviors that has this belief system to maintain, you know, who I am. And that's where that sustainability part is, is really going to come. And the other thing I loved, which she said is, treat this like a

course and not a diet. Because when you're doing a diet, you're just, you're doing that diet. You're doing it, you're doing A, B and C because you wanna get to your end point. But when you're at a course, you're here to learn. You're doing a course to learn. You're doing a course to collect information.

You're doing a course to expand your knowledge. You're doing this course to expand your knowledge, you're doing this course to be able to move on with life, just knowing that little bit more and understanding that little bit more. I was thinking today, like your mark, you think of a course, your mark is not always, it's very rarely 100%. Maybe once or twice, you'll score 100%, but it doesn't mean that you didn't learn something. It doesn't mean that, you know, the knowledge that you have is not more than you had before. And the understanding that you had is more than you had before. And, you know, you're, you're learning that you are a new person who believes new things,

who is working through new situations, who has new coping mechanisms and is eating all of these new things as part of this course. So you're not doing this diet that has an end date. You're doing this course to learn. Like your weight loss course was to get you to maintenance. Now your maintenance course is to get you to that place where you can live with more knowledge

and more confidence and more trust and more faith and more all of it. So yeah, not thinking that you've got to be perfect all the time and get 100 percent. But every time that you maybe feel like you hit a bump in the road, that's just something that's going to open your eyes up to study a little bit more. Right. Get a little bit deeper deeper into what might be missing. So I did love when she said that too, to treat it like a course and not like a diet. And I know that some of our other members have said that before.

Oh, I'm like, I've got my book and this is like a course and I'm learning. And that rings true for weight loss. And it also rings true now here in maintenance because you're learning to live beyond this program. Yeah, and I think that's live, you know, beyond this program. Yeah, and I think that's where, you know, that we've talked before in the past and on our Wednesday chats where people are chasing that number

or chasing the scale that people do in maintenance. This is really like, that's really not the point of being here. The point of being here is that learning piece of it, learning to take the next step for the rest of your life. So all the learning that goes along the way with building that up. And I think that all is building into that confidence

of people being able to move on, excuse me, and sort of move away from having to think about a lot of these things. Yeah, yeah, I'm just reading some of the comments that are coming in. And, um, Kylie says she was me too. My old self would be like salad for dinner. I don't think so. Right. No, why not? You know, why not? Or, or the, um, I, yeah, I like that Greek yogurt. Someone's saying about Greek yogurt. I like that too too with nuts and a drop of maple syrup.

Like why not? You know, let's just, let's think outside the box here. You know, this is when you're being in tune to what your body needs and this is going back to what you were saying that your dinner doesn't need to be, you know, dinner foods. And this was like when we talked about breakfast, your breakfast needs to be breakfast foods. I was saying this morning, I feel like I'm going on a tangent now. I was saying this morning, I was saying good morning to the team, how's your day going so far? And I said well I had you know a hard-boiled egg and leftover

trout for dinner, or sorry for breakfast today, so I'm gonna have you know a great day. Everyone in my house didn't think it smelled so wonderful but you know that's just what my body was asking for. I opened the fridge and like yes I want this leftover trout and I want this hard-boiled egg. And that was exactly what I needed in the moment. And then, you know, that could be the opposite for dinner. If you're feeling like, you know, you want something a bit lighter, snacky foods, then we just need to get out of this idea that our dinner needs to be dinner foods and really it's about being in tune to what you really want and what you need. I think I never ever am in the mood for trout

regardless of whether it's leftover or fresh. I think that should be a poll who's for trout and who's not. I feel like that might be a polarizing thing, but to trout or not to trout. But I think this, you know, one thing that I think we should all celebrate is the fact that with those examples that were just given in the comments too, like who would have thought you have we get those the, that's what had you sort of where you are in the

first place is some of those things like going those long periods, eating the things that weren't agreeing with your body and stuff like that, that shift into actually wanting some of these things like we're talking about loving yogurt with like seeds and hemp hearts and Greek yogurt and a drop of honey in it as loving that to eat. Think back to when you started your journey, did you ever think that that was going to be something that you actually craved and loved to eat? Or was it, you know, you were taking the flavored yogurt and adding extra fruit on it to mask the taste,

the fact that you maybe hate yogurt or something like that. So I think that's an area where we can all sort of celebrate how far we've come is that a lot of what the learning is is just naturally transitioning to really fall in love with the things that make you feel good. And whether that is food, whether that is movement, whether that is getting to bed at nine o'clock at night, like myself and some other people do, like what part of these things that make you feel good falling in love with them them and actually craving those things that make you feel good versus craving the things that are giving you some sort of a different reward. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm being conscious of our time. I know it's, we are already 30 minutes in,

so I just want to thank you again for joining us. So next week, we're also going to be following Personalizing the Plan, but we're also going to be talking next steps. So next steps for our members that, you know, have gone through this maintenance program and are ready to maybe move on to, you know, testing things out a little bit more, shaking things up a little bit more and seeing how their body reacts. We're also going to be talking next steps in terms of if you feel like you are already past this stage and you're ready to move on to just living the lovely way.

We're gonna be talking about that as well. And one exciting thing we have going on, I think I can make the announcement, is that we are doing a survey here in the maintenance and mindfulness group. So for our members here, we just wanna collect some feedback. We wanna know about your experience here in the maintenance and mindfulness group. So for our members here, we just want to collect some feedback. We want to know about your experience here in the group. So we'll be putting that out next week.

And of course, we would love everybody here in the maintenance group to fill it out. We're, again, working with Dr. Ruth and her team at the University of Ottawa. And it's going to be group specific, and it's going to be program specific. So not necessarily about your own personal weight loss and maintenance journey, but just how your experience has been here in the group. I'm really excited for that. It's our first time that we've

had a survey like this and I think it's going to really help us level up around here. And I know everybody wants an app, so we're still working on that. That's not a question on the survey. We know everybody wants an app. We're working on it. Yeah, it's going to be great when it's there. I'm also, I'm excited because next week you're going to return the favor and join me in the weight loss group for the tweak. And so for those of you that are in both groups, make sure you don't miss Odette next week when she comes to join us. Yeah, I always love that one. I think that, you know, members that are in the weight loss group that, you know, members that are in the weight loss group that, you know, are not here in this group yet, or, you know, don't necessarily

download our conversations on the podcast. It's nice to be in there and to have, you know, talk maintenance with them and give them a bit of insight and give them just a bit of familiarity of where they're going and what it looks like on this side and on this side, I make it sound like the dark side. Some days I can feel that way, I guess. Well, Kim, thank you so much for joining us. And oh, Kathy loves trout. There we go. Kathy, she loves trout. So me and Kathy, we're going to have, we're going to, we're going to bond over our love of Trove. Anyway, this is a whole other conversation. We have to take this offline now.

I'm gonna ask you why you don't like Trove. Oh, excellent. I don't think our members need to. I'm looking forward to this conversation. Thank you for having me. You're welcome. Okay, bye everyone. We'll see you next week.