The Livy Method Podcast - Maintenance & Mindfulness: Midweek Motivation - November 5, 2025
Episode Date: November 5, 2025Welcome to your Midweek Motivation!In this episode, Gina gets fired up about a conversation that’s long overdue in the weight loss world—how to actually maintain it. Coming in live from her trip t...o Obesity Week in Atlanta, while Odette holds down the fort, they reflect on the deeper purpose behind the tweaks in The Program, especially during the Feeding the Metabolism week. Gina shares her insights from Obesity Week, where tools for weight loss are everywhere, but conversations around sustaining results are still missing. Not here, though. This episode is all about reinforcing that what the Livy Community is doing is the conversation. It’s the mindset, the habits, and the real-life follow-through that make weight loss sustainable, and that’s what sets this method apart.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTo learn more about The Livy Method and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Are we feeling motivated today?
How are we doing?
Are we okay?
Where are we at?
What's going on?
Hi, I'm good.
Hi.
So I'm just, I'm just, uh, loving Sue's comment. She said, hi, everyone, working on good habits, making these lives part of my weekly routine. So I love that. Yeah. Hi, Sue. Thanks for joining us. Yeah. So I'm feeling, um, I'm feeling motivated. I'm going to be honest. I wasn't this morning because I was like, why are the members so quiet? Why is nobody talking about fitting the metabolism? Where, what is happening? So I'm like, is this an
avoidant thing that they don't want to get into the tweak or are they feeling really positive
and they're locked in and they're really understanding it's they don't have questions and comments
and then I was listening to your live this morning which is available on podcast anybody can
listen to it and you were talking about being there at obesity week this week in Atlanta where you
are yeah and you said like there's no lack of technology and tools to help people lose weight
That's, you know, the support is there for them.
What's missing, though, is the conversation on how and why we need to make to, how and why
to maintain and sustain your weight.
That's the missing piece of the conversation.
And I thought, it's not missing.
We're having it.
We're having it here.
Like, how, how jacked up and motivated, I hope our members feel the same that you are here,
you are having that conversation, you are learning, you're taking that growth with you.
And that has brought me to this point right now at 12 noon of feeling motivated,
a feeling excited, a feeling like we are having that conversation.
So if our members are avoiding these tweaks, if our members are shying away from them,
you're not doing it just to do them.
You are doing it for the learning, for the growth.
You are doing it to have that conversation around maintaining and sustaining your weight loss.
Yeah, we have figured this out because there have people,
that I've been helped 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago,
five years ago, lost their weight, maintaining their weight just fine.
We don't hear from those people.
You want to know why?
Because they are living their lives.
Yeah.
And Ruth has managed to get her hands on those who are still around,
still on her email list, whatever.
She's had the conversations with the people who've been successful at maintaining their weight.
And that is what this program is built on.
This program is built on that.
And yes, it's the same systematic method that helps you or helps your,
not just lose weight, but to help your body be as,
healthy as possible. You can lose your weight and still have a lot of wiggle room for improving
your health and wellness, not just physically, but also and more importantly, mentally.
I, you know, we've only been here for a couple of days, but the conversation already,
and they just can't figure out maintenance. It's not that fucking hard. It's just you're not
having a conversation. You're never going to maintain your weight, counting and weighing and
measuring. You're not even going to be able to maintain your weight taking your medications
because that's one of the things that they're realizing now is that even with medication,
their weight is slowly ticking up.
So now they're trying to figure out new medications that actually help you maintain and sustain
your weight.
You're never going to be able to do that.
You want to know why?
Because it's a mindset.
Because once you've lost the weight physically, it's all about your choices and the lifestyle
that you are living.
It's understanding that when you're stressed and you go back to using food to cope, you can
only do that for so long until your body will start storing that fat again, not probably
because of the foods that you're eating, but because of the stress that you're not managing
and the sleep that you're not getting
and the long periods of time
and the food that you're not eating,
not because of the foods that you are.
So I'm really motivated
to really
help people understand
what it actually takes
to make real change.
To actually not just make the change
but sustain the change.
And people in this program
who join us for these conversations,
they have a fighting chance
at being able to maintain and sustain with.
Like I, you know,
I've been on.
and I hear people who clearly have never followed through on the program or, you know,
whatever it is and, oh, you know, she's full of shit. You're never going to be able to maintain
and sustain your weight. Yeah, you fucking can. I have it. I have for 30 years. So can you.
But you have to be aware of what's going on in your life. You have to pay attention to what's
happening to you in your life. You have to pay attention to what you're eating, how your body's
responding. And you have to do the work for yourself. Right. It's just like that's, that's, that's
the conversation that has me fired up here. Yeah, I was fired up here too. And I, like what you said
there about being mindful. Like, it's not just, it's not just being mindful around your food. Of course,
that is a big part of it. I got this hair in my mouth and what's going on here. So it's not just
about being mindful with your food. It's about being mindful around your actions and your behaviors.
And, you know, this is, it's part of it. This is all part of it. This is where that learning comes from.
And, you know, we're talking about habits this week so much and making them automatic.
And then somebody posted in the group today, a James clear quote, it's you never want to miss, you never want to miss it twice, whatever it might be.
And it was like, if you miss one day, you can quickly recover the next day.
The first mistake, I want to read it exactly.
The first mistake is never the one that ruins you.
It's the spiral of repeated mistakes that follows.
Missing one is an accident.
Missing twice is the start of a new habit.
So this place where we are now where we have this awareness, where we've picked up this tool,
you can call it a tool, this tool of awareness that our members are seeing now that, oh,
I understand why I'm reverting back to this be.
I understand what this action is.
I understand what this behavior is where before, when they just lost their weight and they
went back to doing what they did before, they're like, oh, well, why?
Like I'm eating the same things.
Why do I not feel as good?
I'm eating the same things.
I'm following this very strict planned out, you know, maybe a point-based, maybe not, you know, food structure.
Why is my weight creeping back up?
And then they, and now our members have this awareness.
I say, oh, it's because I'm going too long without eating.
I'm eating the same foods from going too long.
I'm not hydrating myself.
I'm not prioritizing my sleep.
I'm not moving in a way that feels.
good for me, not in a way that makes me feel worse. I think it's this awareness part. And this is
where, this is where this is learning and this growing is happening. I'm trying to equate this to
reaching another goal. And I know this is weird, so just bear with me, but it comes to golf because
Tony wants to be a scratch golfer, right? And sure, he loved to play in the PGA. I mean, of course,
he wants to be the best golfer that he can. But he has his goal of being a scratch golfer.
And so last year, like he, we took a couple years ago, we started taking lessons, right? We took a lot of
lessons. We still take lessons because there's still more to learn. He, I don't know, played like
40, 50 times throughout the year. He would be at home. He would practice, practice, practice,
and he got to be really good and got really close to, you know, reaching his goal. And then he was
also working out. He was doing whatever. And then, you know, life gets in the way. He's not playing
as much. He didn't really take any lessons this summer. He got an injury. He, you know,
hasn't been practicing as much as he used for practicing. Is his game as good as it was when he
was doing all those things? No. Is he going to go back to being a shit golfer? No, because he actually
learned the skills that he needs to be a really good golfer. Injury kind of messed up with
his game, not being able to practice, not getting the lessons to help him actually make adjustments
to move to the next level, right? And that's what it's about. And because we use food for
so many things and food is constant in our lives, we need to understand the effect that it has
on us. But more so, the effect that not sleeping has on us, the effect that not moving has on us,
the effect that not managing our stress has on us. Maintaining our weight would be pretty easy
except for all of those other things. So it really is about that awareness piece. And it's not a lot
of work once you're there, right? Like once you're there, it's just constant. This is what I'm
sharing right so i'm stressed i'm stressed out i'm drinking i'm drinking lots of wine i feel fine for the
first day give it four or five days i feel like garbage i'm not sleeping i feel bloated i feel gross i have to
ding ding ding ding ding ding how's this working for you gina this is not it let me do the
things that are going to get me back to feeling good and as we're back on track comes so this when you're
doing the the maintenance program you are intentionally actively working to solidify your weight physically
but that mindset mentally so that you can get to that third space, which is just living and just being aware and being able to trust and knowing when, you know, shit is happening to you, you have this, you might not have all the tools to deal, but you have the awareness to know. And that's where maybe there's things that haven't happened to us yet that we encounter, you know, like your dad passing away last week. You've never had that happen to you before. And so that no one would judge you from going back into drinking.
wide and eating crap and all of those things and for a really long time and maybe even gaining
all the weight back that you had lost but you've never dealt with that before and so this is
where that awareness piece it not about the weight but in being take care of yourself odette yeah
what do you need to take care of yourself right now right because no one else is going to do that for you so
yeah that's what this it may seem really deep with where we're at we also we've given our members a lot to
think about on Monday in the in the in the in the maintenance program and in the
weight loss program but also Kim said the the the weight loss program's pretty
quiet today too so maybe it's just the moon yeah it could be it could be the
man I'm hoping it's everybody doubling down on their habit so I know you say to take
care of yourself like you can see on my face I have this like little little little
pimple that showed up and I'm like oh that's because I haven't washed my face in two weeks
So that I need to get back to washing my face.
So this little thing goes away.
You're alone.
So it's that awareness of like, oh, what's going on?
I'm going to just use my skin.
What's going off my skin?
Oh, maybe I've been in this mood of this spiral of not taking care of myself,
that routine, that habit has fallen by the wayside.
Yeah.
And now my body's giving me that message to like, okay, it's time to get back at it.
And that's where I think that the automaticity of it all.
So it's, this is what I mean, like, it's not a lot of work because it'll just be who you are.
It'll be automatic.
So, yes, you will still be like, you know, feel like you got hit by a Mac truck sometimes
and it'll throw you completely off course.
But you, this is about the tool.
What do we mean by the tools and the skills, right?
This is like the tools and the skills to pull you back, back on the track, back on the road,
back to getting back to life, right?
And it's not going to be all at once and it might look really messy and it might throw you off
for longer than you like, but it's, it's really about getting back to, to feeling your best and
being able to take care of yourself. Yeah. So, yeah, I know it's, it's, it's deep, but,
yeah. And I think this tweak too, like, I mean, I, I know we keep going back to it, but the tweak this
week of, of splitting up those meals and snacks, it's a real wake up call into, um, prioritizing
ourselves, you know, it's a real, it's a real wake up call. It really brings it to,
the to the to the to into focus that you're having to spend this much time on yourself you're having to
prioritize yourself you're having to put your needs first and that me and that can bring up you know
it can bring up the awareness of like oh shit like I haven't been falling through on my habits I haven't
been spending time on myself I haven't been taking the time to sit down and be mindful not
only of my food but of my of my actions in my behaviors and this is why when we say that we're
using the tweaks the tweak is never just a tweet yes it's about
getting back in tune with your portions and how foods make you feel and, you know, really getting
into what satisfied feels like for you off certain foods when you're splitting them up.
But what else is it teaching you? It's teaching you to slow down. It's teaching you to focus on
yourself. It's teaching you to bring those habits back into focus. That's why those tweaks,
like I said, are never just a tweak. Bigger than that, we're going somewhere with this.
This is all on the road for you being able to trust when to eat, what to eat, and how much
to eat. So let's bigger picture this. You will solidify your weight physically.
You will get to the place mindfully where you feel calm and confident around food.
You have got to move on to that third space.
We are creating a whole group and program for that at the end of the day.
But you're going somewhere.
You're not supposed to follow a food plan for the rest of your life, right?
This is where you actually get to get to a place where you're adjusting to the fact that your hunger levels change every day.
One day, you might need just your meals and maybe one snack.
The next day, just your meals and no snacks.
maybe the next day all your meals and all the snacks like we're going somewhere with this so this is beyond just where we're at right now and what you're learning each week it's putting it all together in the end to trust when to eat what to eat how much to eat i just want to answer sue's question here that i say she's like do people ever do people ever get stabilized at a maintenance weight and then decide to news another 10 or so i'm scared we'll mess up the set point which is a comfortable one this is a great question so it takes at least three months for your body to
adjust to your new weight. And now research is saying two years, but that's the average person
out there who just lost their weight haphazardly, counting, weighing, measuring, starving, depriving.
They haven't also simultaneously worked hard to get in tune to their body's needs, to bring this
awareness, to help their body adjust to their new weight, especially when it comes to plate,
and whatnot, right? So, so that's just based on the average person out there, not taking into account
everything that you've done in here with the Libby Method and followed that program. So let's say
you did three rounds of the Libby Method and you lost 30 pounds in your first program, 10 in the
second, five in the third, right? So by the time you get around to that last program, you've already
solidified the 30 pounds you've lost before. So what is, what does that mean? So it's about
allowing their body time to adjust to your new weight and that's every little plateau so you start at
your set point right you lose five pounds like maybe two pounds right you hit a plateau your body's
adjusting to that three more pounds five more pounds one pound two pound whatever to the end of the
program right and then you so there's the the plateaus that you have while losing and then when you
decided you were going to go into maintenance you're like okay i'm happy i got to this weight
maintenance is just a self-imposed plateau.
That's really what it is.
Even while you're doing the maintenance program,
some people will continue to see the scale go down.
But you know that takes effort.
There's a big difference between losing and maintaining.
So this is like a self-imposed plateau.
Let me just, you know, stay here so my body can adjust to this new weight,
body temperature, blood flow, hormones.
Like there's a lot that it, your fat wasn't just sitting there doing nothing.
So your body factored the fat that it would carry.
into its everyday functions.
And so you're helping the body adjust to this weight right now.
If you want to go for 10 more pounds, that's 10 new pounds.
Right?
So while you're working on 10 new pounds, your body's also adjusting to the weight that you've lost.
So it's not just like about the numbers.
It's about the time that your body has had to adjust to this new weight.
So it's happening constantly while losing.
this is one big self-imposed long-ass plateau if you want to go for 10 more it's no it's no
different so you don't have to worry about messing anything up yeah right yeah I think yeah I think
you know when we're talking about that set point like you said you've been maintaining your
weight slowly this whole time you're that set point has been getting more comfortable you're
not going to mess up the set point that you're at at this no it's it's the same as like
you're not going to you're not going to go you know you're not going to go back to you're
You're not going to go back to where you started because you're trying something new.
You're just going to continue on what you've already built.
And if those 10 pounds, if they decide, or if you decide, you know, you start and then you don't want to go there,
you're not going to mess up the set point that you're already at.
No.
Not going to mess up anything because your body's just like lost weight in a really healthy way.
Yeah.
And you're just helping the body.
It means that going for more means that you are intentional about doing the things to help your body specifically focus on fat loss.
that's what you're doing there right and of course the program will help you do that in the same
healthy way that it did before i mean you might find just in maintaining your weight if you if you're
carrying excess fat the body enough doesn't need you your weight will just continue to drop and drop and drop
right but if you are looking to go lose 10 more pounds you got to be intentional about losing those 10
pounds yeah i think you can't be here thinking oh maybe i will maybe i won't because then you're
going to get stuck in that space where you're you don't feel comfortable and confident i like this
and how long should we stay at the set point before we go for it i think it's um i mean you you need at least
three months for your body to adjust to your new weight i i so without challenging it yeah right like
that's like that's why doing the the maintenance program is really important without challenging it
and we're doing the opposite of challenging it we're like trying to help the body level up level up even
more and be as healthy as possible to really like adjust to that new weight and build in everything
around that.
I think you'll know, I think this is when you feel really confident about making choices that
you know, well, you know, like if you, it's like it's mental.
So I think you'll know mentally you'll know.
It's about being calm and confident around soon.
Physically at least three months, the more you can give your body time adjusting without
challenging it. So that means going back to eating late at night every night and eating burgers
and fries and back to starving and depriving and going back into old habits. That will challenge
your body obviously. So this is where people make that mistake. As soon as I lose the weight,
they just immediately go back to old habits. So they're like, I lost the weight back back to old habits,
and then they gain that weight back. Whereas that's not really going to happen with you if you've lost
your weight through this. There might be moments where you fall back into old habits, but you're going to
know better because you're going to feel like garbage and be like.
like this is not working for me. So I think it's about when you feel calm and confident to get to a
place where you just wake up, you look good, you feel good, you trust yourself, and you can trust
when to eat. Like I'm actually hungry versus habit or triggered or coping. I know what to eat.
I don't even have to open my fridge. I just know what's in it. What's going to be the best thing for
me? Is it protein? Is it fruit? Is it veggies? Is it what cartwood? What is it? How much to eat? I don't
need to ask the four questions anymore because I just already know. I fucking know the exact minute that
if I take one more bite, I'm going to feel overly full. I'm at a mindset where if I do eat too
much, I'm not immediately going to starve myself, deprive myself, berate myself. It's more like,
okay, I did that. Now this is what I can do to offset that. That is your automatic thinking,
like, oh, I'll just drink some more water, whatever. That's how you really truly want to move on
from that whole diet mentality that will also pull you back into old habits.
And yeah, so I think physically I would like to see like three months hardcore solidifying,
maybe another just being super, super mindful, like learning to trust.
And then I think like past six months, it's like, okay, like it's, but you might, you might,
there are people who do the weight loss program and they're like, I'm good.
Yeah.
That's it.
Never did the maintenance program.
We hear from them years later.
still maintaining my weight over here and then there's there's people who have more to to deal with so
I think this is personal but I think at least three months physically yeah I would say I'd probably
say six without like really give it six or more yeah and and I think you know at least that's the
at least that's the at least and give yourself a hot minute to to love where you are before you consider
moving on like give yourself a minute to just sell be in this space
before you're thinking of the next thing, right?
Like, be here, be excited about maintaining,
be excited about solidifying before you're already looking for the next thing.
Like, that can also be some future tripping.
If you're, like, rushing through this stage because you want to get to the next stage,
be here, be calm, you know, celebrate where you are,
do the work that needs to be done because there's probably a little bit there
that still needs to be uncovered before you move on.
Don't rush that next spot.
Really, like, indulge where you are right now.
yeah but three months is that i love that's great advice three months is that kind of like that
it takes your your like your skin around three months to start adjusting to your you know new frame
so three months is the time three months is time frame to create new habits uh three months gives your
body actually a fair amount of time to repair rebuild regenerate to adjust to uh hormones and whatnot
but the longer you can give it the better right that's that's what i have to say but but you can
still do that and move forward with the mindset of someone maintaining their weight. And then it's just
time. The more time you can give your body where you are managing your stress, you're giving it
in tune to the new transit needs, you are, you know, trying to get sleep. And then that becomes the
motivation for just feeling healthy and well. If you live a healthy and well lifestyle physically and
mentally, and this is what we mean, what does it take to sustain your weight, making real change
in your life, right?
So that's a forward energy as opposed to, I did this.
Let me go back to where I was.
So, yeah, at least three months to give your body physically the time because it's still,
you know, it's how your hormones have become wired and your body's adjusted to everything.
But you are also building in that time along the way.
So it's not just the three months of the maintenance program, right?
Like it's the time that you put into losing your weight and all those plateaus.
That also counts.
Yeah. So such a great question. I love that question. Yeah. So the other thing I wanted to talk about too quick. Oh. Sorry, do you see Sue? Oh, Dad, you said, so well said, you just nailed my whole life in one sentence. Be here and celebrate for looking ahead to the next thing. Yeah. Yeah. True. Like, because we're always looking for the next best thing, right? What's next? What's next? Yeah. Let's just be here for just a few minutes. Let's slow down. Let's just, you know, enjoy where we're at right now. Okay. But what's next? What do you want to talk about next?
So next, so this, so actually this question came up and we haven't, just before I popped on live, I was in the group reading questions.
And I just realized this was something we haven't talked about yet, was this time change and how the time change can really affect your eating patterns throughout the day.
And so the question came in, I didn't even have time to capture it, but the question was, you know, I'm so used to eating my lunch every day at 12 o'clock.
but now it's 11 in the morning I'm starving what do I do you know we haven't like talked
about that how just something simple like the time change you think it's you know not a big deal
okay we're getting an extra hour but how that can throw off your rhythm and your routine and how
you're feeling yeah I mean especially someone who is like were they eating breakfast or not
eating breakfast right and now you're this is like people are so resistant to changing their sleep
schedules like they find that they're getting up extra early in the morning now like they can get
up, right? And then maybe go to bed an extra an hour earlier. Like this is, people are so stuck on
their routine and yet are there are routines. If you were to suggest that someone mess up their
routine by a whole hour when it wasn't daylight savings, people would be like, are you
fucking crazy? No, I'm not doing that. Yeah. But literally our whole routines are getting messed up
by the self-imposed, not self-imposed, but whoever government imposed time change. And yet there's no,
there's no room for adjustments it goes against our whole internal circadian rhythm like it messes
it all up and we wonder well it's just an hour what it's an hour eating everything earlier it's it's
it's or or an hour later um so this really messes routine routine is the foundation of change
but people are so resistant to adapting to that new routine yeah maybe you need to start eating
earlier maybe you need to go to bed earlier go to bed later get up earlier
go to bed later have breakfast if you haven't been going to breakfast now by the time you know
whatever rolls around um even if you get that morning snack in have breakfast right or don't have
breakfast like this is where you really want to pay attention to the key is pay attention to how
your body is responding yes and make adjustments based on that i think don't be so don't be so like
like um don't be so stuck to the time on the clock really listen to your body's cues your body is
telling you something at this time right it's telling you something at this time right it's telling
you like, oh, you know, maybe we do need to eat now or maybe we do need to change things up a little
bit. Not only is the time changing, the season's changing, your body's changing, those, your
circadian rhythm is changing, everything's changing. And this is just another one of those messages
coming through. I think I remember, um, a conversation we have a doctor, Beverly David,
who's a sleep researcher. And before we had, you know, technology and lights and all of that,
how would we, we would have gotten up with the sun. We would have eaten well before dark. We would
had gone to bed when it was dark and she talked about how we would go to bed quite early and then when
our children were asleep we'd actually wake up like at three o'clock in the morning like it would be
natural for us to have gone to bed really early wake up at three o'clock in the morning i don't know have
some hanky-panky-time whatever and then get up a few hours earlier so this construct of time not to get
all woo-hoey yeah you know we're trying to fit into it when we're still dealing with how our body's
really function on a primitive level. So don't be afraid to go against the grain or make adjustments
if you have that luxury, the adjustments that really work well for you. Like Sonia and I are way,
but we both of us do not like eating late. Like we're, I'm not eating late. Like I just, I'm not
into that. I like to eat as early as possible. You know, other people might like to go out for
a late dinner, meet for drinks. I'm not doing that. Right. So maybe I miss out on some stuff here and
there. But the end of the day, I'm going to feel better for it the next day. So, you know, it's just
you got to figure out what works best for you.
Yeah. So that's it. That was the last thing I wanted to touch on. I thought that was such an important thing. And I think last time we had a time change, we spent a lot of time change. We spent a lot of time change. We spent a lot of time change. We spent a lot of time change. Is it a lot of time change? Is it the J's? Is it the Halloween? Is it like the drinking? Is it the the moon? Like like legit. This is where you're going to say like what is what is going on? Why am I feeling like this? And.
that's definitely the time change is definitely one to consider for sure i got a piece so bad we got to wrap
this up so um i don't say dr ruth is on tomorrow so we are talking so jealous she's so nice i know
i want to say i just want to say ruth gives us the real deal yes she wants the living method to work
for people more than anybody else she will give you the real deal but she's giving you the real
deal because you got to pay attention to the shit that she's saying she wants to everyone to
be successful and we got to we got to hear the real deal from her yeah we need i'm super excited i was
always jealous that you had the conversations with her so now i get to have the conversations with her
i could talk to her for hours i'm so fascinated in like really the insight she gives us from i mean
our members are incredible because she gets for information from all the folks she's in like
hundreds of focus groups all of our surveys all of that and she's also staying up to date on the
latest research of everything as well right she's not here uh this week but um
Yeah, I'm jealous. Tell her I said hi.
Yeah.
Tell her I'm here at the boring conference for her.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I'm excited.
So we're going to talk, yeah, talking about her work and also talking about like how this
maintenance program came about.
Like we keep saying that it's a research back program.
So she's going to like give us a bit of insight into that too, the real talk about where
it came from, how it came to be and why it is the way it is.
You know what else we don't do enough is surveys.
I would love to get like a pulse check on our members in maintenance.
maintenance, everyone listening today, like give us your feedback. We want, we want feedback. So you might
have been up, you can write us a review. Did you could post that in here? We did, yeah,
the new website, you can write us a review. That's totally different. That's like, give us a good
review. Yeah. But feedback is different. So feedback, we did the surveys at the end of the program,
but it'd be good to get a pulse check where people are at and like a mid-program survey because we
are definitely not done working on the maintenance program yet. We're working on our actual
maintenance program proper with the app version. So,
Make sure you do fill out the survey at the end of the program then and give us everything like that, you know, in hindsight, we should change your ad because we do, we make a lot of changes based on that.
Okay, I got really got to go now.
Okay, thanks, everyone.
I appreciate you.
Goodbye, Odette.
I mean, I've got to go.
You can stay.
I'm going to go.
Okay.
I'm going to go to go.
Okay, bye.
Thank you.
