The Livy Method Podcast - Maintenance & Mindfulness: Mindset Mondays - November 24, 2025

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Maintenance Mindset Mondays is all about cracking open the conversation about what REAL maintenance looks like – beyond the scale and deep into personal transformation. Join Gina and Odette as they dive into the week’s focus, share insights on all things maintenance, and answer your questions. Whether you’re new or experienced, there’s something for everyone!In this week’s episode, Gina opens up about the power of asking uncomfortable questions and how giving yourself permission to "go there" is often the key to moving forward. Fresh off a transformational business retreat in Barcelona, she reflects on the emotional depth required in both life and maintenance—and why unfinished doesn’t mean unproductive. Joined, as always by Odette, the two share personal stories, habit-stacking wins, and community shoutouts, all while driving home a simple truth: growth happens in the layers. Whether you're in the thick of your weight loss journey or learning to live in maintenance, this conversation is a reminder that change isn’t about fixing yourself; it’s about knowing yourself better.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTo learn more about The Livy Method and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy, and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams for my 91-day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews, and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on ACAST, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon music.

Hi. Hi. Did you miss that music? I'm like, I'm like, I just seemed so I missed it. I missed it. I missed it. I'm like, I just seemed so I missed it. I missed it. You know, these are my favorite conversations. I just... I like to remind Kim of that every time she did it. I, you know, I was thinking about you all because we have, like, had some serious conversations this program. Like, I, you know, it's hard because I know our members here are so amazing because, like, we've been through it all and they're just so open and we have these conversations and their shares. We learn so much from them. And then you contrast that with the people trying to lose weight, not really having any idea about any of this and just wanting them to so badly understand the conversations that we have in maintenance and what it's truly about.

I went to, you know, I was away. So it was in Barcelona and it was like a business thing where you work through your business shit. It's not about how to make more money or marketing. It's like as this person just trying to survive in life and running a business, what are some. of the obstacles, like personal issues, family stuff, you know, things about business, you know, and it's about really going deep. And I shared this on the live. It's like, okay, what are the words that describe it? What was the thing that caused you to think about it? And then why is it important in your life? And so you write out the why you think. And then you're like, okay, why is that

important in your life? And then you write it out again, why you think? And then why is that then important? And you go deeper. And it's really about having really deep, uncomfortably deep conversations with people. And it's incredible the connection that you made and how it unlocks. Like you don't resolve anything. You don't fix anything. But it just it unlocks a lot of the shit that you're dealing with. And I said to people afterwards, it's so unresolved.

How do you just then like go on with life? So we had these deep sessions. Then we're like, okay, it's time for lunch. And I'm like, what? We're not going to sit here all afternoon. figure this out for me um but it's not about that it's about unlocking and then you take it away and it gets you one step closer to moving forward and then i'm like okay so then when you come back and you do it again in three months what if you have the same issue and they're like yes you

you might have the same issue but you will have changed you will have changed so much so the conversation around that issue what you learn around that issue is so different and i was just like, and I feel like when you are going that deep and you're pulling these layers back, it's almost like it's giving you permission for yourself to go there. Like, I don't want to go there. It's uncomfortable. I don't want to go there. But when you ask the question, then you ask the question again, it's almost like,

okay, I've set it out loud now. I've put it out there. Now it's time to deal with it. We're not trying to fix it. We're not trying to maybe come to a solution in this exact. moment but we are we put it I have the permission now to go there given myself the permission you're not looking for anywhere else but and now I'm going to go there now I can go there yeah yeah so just remind me a lot of like the work that we do here in the maintenance group right there's

kim hello home stretch Judy hard to believe it's week 11 already right so what am I going to do every morning while I eat breakfast when the group is over I have it stacked so well then I'm going to have to find something else to do. That's true, but you know what? Like I, so every day I have made it, I don't know since, I don't know when I started this a few months ago. I listened to your live every morning on my walking pad. And before I'm like, I don't have time to do that.

I can't do that. I don't have time to do that. And I thought, it's one thing I want to do for myself. So I am going to get my walking pad out. That's my habit stack. Get my walking pad out. I started at 8.30, so I have a half an hour before you come on and I'm doing my work, catching up for the day. And then I give myself that half an hour for your live. And that's my

habit second. I started thinking about that too. Like, what am I going to do on Fridays? I'm like, what do I do on Fridays when there's no live? So that habit continues because I had to go find another stack for it. So I still want to get on my walking pad. So maybe I'm listening to an old live or maybe full transparency. I'm listening to a different podcast for half an hour. or you know so finding how to be able to stack that habit i i feel sue with this one because i was going through that too that was my habit stack i would love to know what podcast people are listening to maybe um you can do a post and be like hey what are some other great podcasts that you guys like listening to um i got up this morning because you know it's like you know we were six hours

ahead so i kind of got used to that so i woke up this morning i'm like oh my goodness and wide away this is amazing so i'm going to get a built on that so i got on the treadmill, my walking pad this morning, and I watched a podcast. It was like that Emma Grasdé, she's like a businesswoman and Reese Witherspoon, which was interesting. But I was thinking, God, I would like to know some, I'm just like the same one, Dyer, the CEO, business ones. Like, I would love to, like, I'm not really a podcasty kind of person, although I have like a podcast. It's like millions of downloads. I'm not really, I don't, I'm not cool like that. I've never been cool to know what are the cool podcast. So I would love to know what everyone is.

is listening to. Yeah, I think that's a great idea, especially now. I mean, routines are changing in the next couple weeks, right? And if this live or this time has been something that you've relied on as part of your habit, as part of your routine and everything else of your routine is going to get shaken up and you want to keep this one, I think finding something else to fill that space that'll give you the same end result is going to be super important. Yeah, let it go.

Maybe there's something else that you want to work on with yourself or thinking of doing or whatever you know yeah cool um i want to sidetrack i know you're excited about the conversation today so i got my notes what do you want to talk about yeah well i want to talk personalizing the plan because this is let's i want to dive into the basics of it obviously what it is what it means why we're doing it how to do it um and why people can be really resistant to this week i think there's a lot of that that we have been saying i'm going all over the place we have been saying since 2022 i think our first, we used to call it way in Wednesday, our first one we talked about festering in your fear. This was like three and a half years ago and we're still talking about it now because

it's such a real thing and it can hold you back so much. And I think it took us a year and a half almost two years to finally write a post about it and it's coming this week. Just, you know, how it can really hold you back. And this week can bring that up for a lot of people. So first off, personalizing the plan. It's not about growing rogue. It's not about winging it. It's really about those principles that we've been putting down, that you've been picking up, that you have been putting into practice. That's what this is really about this week. And, you know, when we talk about not winging it and not going rogue, we talk this analogy of building your house, right?

Building this foundation. The food plan is your foundation and you build from there. So, you know, when you talk about making all this change and building this house, the food plan during personalizing the plan, that's your foundation because you're still using that as your guideline, right? You're still using it as, okay, the food plant, basic food plan is telling me I want to check in six times a day. Let's still check in six times a day. But maybe your day's not going to look like the food plan. You need to be open to that. That's just the foundation. And then you're going to build and grow from that foundation and work

on the parts that need to be worked on that day. So some days, your house is going to look exactly like this, you know, this basic food plane. You're going to eat six times a day because that's what your body needs. But I'm not and you need to be open to that. Yeah, it's that trust thing because you're like, why do people have all her time? And then I looked at Sue here, giving myself permission to trust is such a great life mantra, especially over the holidays.

And so I was like, okay, there's something there that trust. And so this is where we say in the weight loss program, you are learning the tools and skills to be able to trust when to eat. I'm hungry now versus this is just out of habit or I am triggered or I'm coping and I'm stressed. Like actually, I'm actually hungry. Even migrating motor complex. So you need something half hour later. Your tummy's rumbling. Are you actually hungry?

Is that just your migrating motor complex kicking? So trusting when to eat. okay the other is what to eat and and knowing the difference this is what hard off the heels of last week knowing the difference of how you feel when you have protein versus a piece of fruit right like really in tune to that in terms of what to eat um because you're not adding in any types of new foods right so you're still same same grocery list yeah and then that and then the how much to eat it and this is about really knowing like in that exact moment if i take another bite I'm going to, I'm going to feel like I've eaten too much, right?

Really know, like really back it up, be able to know just by looking at your foods if it's enough. And so that's, that's, again, this is, and how are you going to know that unless you practice trusting it? And so this is not a sit back and do your own thing. There's, there's no wiggle room for not being able to trust yourself because there is no, well, you can have whatever you want. Really the only difference is you no longer have to force yourself to eat those token amounts if and when you're not hungry. This also helps you kind of get away from, you know, this concept of a breakfast lunch and dinner.

Like you don't need significantly larger meals at certain times throughout the day. There's just no biological need for more food at breakfast, more food at lunch or more food at dinner. We've just created these social times for us to eat. So kind of kind of busting through all of that and just. really being in the moment with when to eat, I'm hungry now, what to eat. Okay, I have some eggs and I have some fruit and I have some leftovers and whatever. What's my, okay, this seems most appealing to me. Is this, do I need to add anything else? Probably some leafy greens.

Like I was away all week long. I was like, I got to get some leafy greens in, you know, because I just knew if I wasn't going to get them in that I was going to really feel that. And then, of course, that what to eat pee. So that's, that's the whole point of this week. And so if we are, we are like, I'm not sure. What is that about? Because you got to work through that to truly get to a place where you're calm around food, not just physically, but mentally, right? Yeah.

And I think you can't, you can't talk and think yourself into trusting yourself and trusting your inner voice and listening to your gut. You can't talk and think yourself into that. You've got to take action into that. Because every time you, and that's why this tweak is so effective because this is an action plan. This is not just. Oh, this is the action plan to get you there. You can say, oh, I'm going to trust myself today.

But if you don't do anything to get yourself there, if you don't work through that, it's not just going to happen where this tweak is going to, it forces you to take action on that. Like, okay, I need to make a decision here. I need to ask myself a question. Then I need to make that decision. And then, you know, maybe it wasn't the right decision in the moment, but what am I going to learn from that? So that next time I can make that decision, this is all. of that action plan and putting it into putting it into practice like you said

trusting yourself is putting putting those actions into practice so you can you can learn from that yeah and you can do it you can make this change you can lose the weight you can sustain it you can maintain it it's so much bigger picture it's about you ebbing and flowing with life and being able to know where you're at and what you need all the time and this is far beyond just the foods. This is learning to trust your gut instinct on what works for you and what doesn't work for you in life. This is recognizing that no one is coming to save you. So having the tools and the skills and the wherewithal and the awareness and the understanding to save yourself. This is empowering you to be able to make choices that help you live your best life,

like your healthiest, happiest. That's what all of this is. And so if this tweak is uncovering some fear or whatever, great, let it bubble up to the surface and try to have fun with it and be like, huh, what's that all about? It's never about the bad things that you think it's about. That I can tell you. It's never about that. There was this concept that was presented to me. I had an opportunity to hear this speaker and he said, the universe is friendly. The universe is friendly. I used to always say, oh, the universe is always challenging you to help you acquire this tools and the skills that you need to, you know, that's why I looked at challenges or being smacked in the face. It's just the universe giving me the tools that I need. No, deeper than that, the universe is

friendly, you know, and you are meant to have all the things that you want to have in life and do the things that you want to do. And I mean, maybe there's, you know, within certain reason or whatever. But, you know, try to try to be like, okay, like, how do I, like, what kind of, are you bringing fear into this week? Or like, what's the feeling that you're, bringing into this week right we always kind of go to that kind of negative dark place when yeah and is the past experience that you're bringing into this week because your past experience could be what is navigating your your thoughts this week and your and that fear and that feeling of wanting to hold back because that old experience you had that old diet dialogue that you

believed is what is bringing into this week like oh I I can't go off a diet plan because if I go off a diet plan, I'm going to end up in the same place I ended up last time I tried this with a different program, with a different approach. You know, is that what you're bringing into this week? You know, be real honest about that. And because those feelings and that, you know, and I'm going to use the word trauma. That trauma of that cycle and that trauma of that past experience doesn't just magically go away because you've been successful. You know, those memories, those core memories of those core feelings, they can stick around for a little while until you can reprogram out of them, right? And again, taking action this week, reprogramming your mind, reprogramming your belief system through those actions, it's going to help you lead that those old experiences in the past, something that, yes, happened to you, but it doesn't have to have to happen to you again.

Yeah, because in so many ways. And it may not be dieting per se, but there's, it can be issues from other things that are factoring. into your fear of trusting or whatever that might be. I just want to say that there is the feeling, right? Being in tune with your body, the physical feeling. There's also the feelings that can pop up. And then there's the education piece and the knowledge that you have. So that is sort of where you're checking in at every single meal and snack time and assessing

if you're hungry and need to eat, what's the best option for you, right? You're going to really tune into that. Plus also you're going to bring in that piece. Okay, it's lunchtime. I really just want protein. But, oh, I should also add in some leafy greens. And do you know what I mean? There is that fill in the blanks with the knowledge piece.

So you're not just led by feels. You're combining, yes, how you are feeling. And then also the knowledge that you have, right? So I'm hungry. Yes, I am. What's the best thing for me to eat? Ask those four sets of mindful eating questions. And there we go.

Or I'm not hungry. Okay. Or could I eat? I'm not sure. Okay. I could eat. If I was to eat, I could have a little bit of this. I could have a little bit of that.

Or I'm not hungry at all. Should I eat? Oh, I just ate my snack a couple hours ago. I'm good. Or if I don't eat now, I'm in a board meeting. I'm going to go, you know, five, six hours without eating. And so this is where you're taking all of those pieces and kind of being like, all right, what do I need?

So it's not just led by feeling because I think sometimes people don't trust their feels. it's led by everything that you've learned up into this point too, you know. So you know what you need to do. Plus then there's maximizing. And then this isn't just that, right? This is like doing all the other things, managing your stress, managing your sleep. Because understanding that if I had a crappy sleep last night, I am probably going to be craving carbs and sugar today. Do I need carbs and sugar?

I do not need them, right? So, oh, what do I want? Oh, I want a big sandwich with. some whatever, whatever. Oh, okay, that's not really ideal for me. Why do I, do I really want that? Or is that just because I'm tired? So it's not all want, right, or need either.

So it's tuning into how you feel. Why do I feel like that? Do I actually need a big sandwich? No, I don't. I'm just tired from last night. I should probably drink some water and eat a good nutrient rich meals. You know, it's taking that information as well. Yeah.

I love the part what you said about the, you know you have it's education it's your knowledge and I think like this week this personalizing the plan and you know the next few weeks let's treat that like an exam like you know we treat it like we talk about this being a course right this is a course in in your learning and you are you know applying knowledge so maybe this is like the exam where it's going to be really obvious what you know you're going to you're going to see what you know and you're going to see what you also have to work on so that's what this you know these next few weeks can be list is maybe that exam part of that course okay let's test out what i know so far let's test

out you know if i if i feel confident in making this decision and not so confident in that decision or confident understanding this part but not so confident in understanding this part or falling through on this part maybe that's what this is you don't think of yourself a mark at the end nobody needs that no no be curious i know you want to talk about what's your holiday story but i saw this post from cam yeah this comment um and i thought a couple things stood out especially her use of skip meals I wonder if you change the verbiage from skipped meals to chose not to have meals. So I just, I want to read this because I appreciate the share. I made some not so good decisions yesterday and it taught me a lot.

I skipped my morning snack. I skip my afternoon snack, but not mindfully. And then after dinner, I was ravenous because I'd walked the dog and done a 30 minute weight training workout that afternoon. Okay. So I find that really interesting. So there's your difference between checking in, choosing not to have it versus skipped it, right? And I think, I think that's really important and not to nitpick words that people are using,

but it's two completely different mindsets, right? Like, oh, I skipped it versus I chose, I made a conscious decision and I chose not to have it. And I think it just by changing that verbiage, that makes you be mindful, right? That makes you be mindful to your choosing, okay, I am choosing, it's morning snack time. I am choosing to not have that snack because, as opposed to, I just skip it and deal with it later, right? So I ate dinner and this morning my body let me know that was a bad idea. So today, even though in the past, it would have skipped breakfast as a way to punish myself, again, exactly, right? Our association with skipping the breakfast as a punishment, I ate my usual omelet and had my usual

copy because I knew I was about to walk 6K with a friend. I do this because I love myself in my body rather than in the past, I would skip a meal as punishment and use exercise to make up for those bad choices. So that's a lot. It's a perfect example, right? There is that what you need to do versus the feelings that you have versus the knowledge that you have. And this is exactly it.

This is a beautiful way of sharing. Like this is what this is all about. And you might dip back into old mentality a little bit, but you have the awareness to be like, oh, how's that working for me, sister? Like, that ain't it, right? or it's so easy it can pop up every now and then but it's that awareness piece like that that's it that's so huge that's what does i love that chair yeah and i love that sure too because kim said like in the past i would have just gone ahead and skipped it again and i would have punished myself and i would have continued

that cycle and i would have been right back to where i was but now here we are you know almost 91 days in not quite but almost and already that awareness is starting to click right that is you're able to see that And that's, that is something that's going to help you build your trust. Every time that you say, oh, yeah, I noticed that. Oh, yeah. I did figure that out. Oh, I can do this. I do see this.

I did learn something. You know, I think that that's sharing something like this and that awareness piece. And being honest, too, like, yeah, I skipped it yesterday. You know, and I think being honest and then knowing that those are going to happen, those ebbs and flows like you said are going to happen. Let's ditch the perfection here, but not, but let's put the perfection, but let's stand behind our decisions at the same time like okay that wasn't the right decision for me at the time I stand behind it I did it but now I know better for next time and I can do different

yeah and it's not about having the option to skip meals it's choosing yes to not eat something because you are not hungry for it that that that is that that is so even the energy of that is so grounded as opposed to oh you can just skip meals that you don't feel like eating that's just like woo as opposed to you can choose not to eat something if you're actually not hungry for it. It's just a much more grounded place to function from. And I think, um, I say we talk so much about intention here, right? Like, so this is flexibility, but it's flexibility with intention. So, so you're choosing to have, you're choosing to not have that meal. You're not skipping it just because you're choosing not to have it for a very specific

reason. You know, whatever that reason I'm not hungry for it. So you're, it's flexibility with that intention. I love that. Um, how do you do the holiday? now what's your holiday story what do i want my new normal to look like so i thought this was really interesting because i was telling the people in the weight loss program how the people in the maintenance program they go through this whole you've lost your weight and then you go through this whole year sometimes a couple years of like things popping up in dealing with grief holidays memorial days like these you know and sometimes it's seasonal sometimes there are seasons in our life they're more stressful than others and and um you know it's like this this holiday keeps

these holidays keep coming up and people like oh it's the most wonderful time of year is it it's it's also very stressful emotionally financially it's also there's a lot going on i said to tony it just seems like a fucking groundhog day with all these holidays no get me wrong i don't want to be like a grinch or nothing but it's it's a lot emotionally especially after you deal with some grief and someone passing, as you know, Dad, I guess, I'm sorry, just for being so flippant about this, it's going to be your first Christmas without your dad,

you know, and so it's just, it's a fuck of a lot. It's a lot in that. It's one of those things where, yeah, our season is going to look very different this year, and we're already trying to plan for that. What does that going to look like for us? You know, like we've always had this,

idea. We always, you know, celebrate. I have a big family of my sisters and their and their husbands and their children, like lots. There's like 26 just between me and my sisters and their kids and everybody. So many of us. And so we always kind of do the same thing over the holidays. And now we're like, we have to rally and it has to look different. Has to look different for my mom, who's now living alone, has to look different for us because, you know, before we, we, we, interacted, but it wasn't necessarily, we weren't always all together and we weren't always in the same place at the same time. But now that's got a pivot, we understand that it's changing now, that the things that are important are different now. And so yeah, so our holiday season,

there's a lot that's going to come up with that. And we're already thinking about it now. Like you said, you don't want to be a grinch about it, but you're like, oh, do I just want to bypass it this year? Or can I think about, you know, how it can be different, maybe how it can be better. or how it's just, maybe it's not going to be better, but it's just going to be different. So how do you holiday now? I think a lot of our members are going to go through that, whatever that might be, you know, and how do they make that? And how do they fit in now?

How do they fit in with how holidays used to be? If the holiday season for them is changing specifically, where do they fit in now? How does that look like for them now? Oh, yeah. I mean, it goes so deep, right? It goes to, you know, relationships that you have with people because you've made so many changes to what people are used to you doing versus what you want to do now. Like there's a lot. People change.

People change their big events in their life or through being intentional, but making change. A lot of people here have reinvented themselves. And I don't just mean their hairstyles, right? Their energy, the way they show up in the world, what they think, what they feel. like it's a big thing that people have done and and I guess maybe it's when you go into this season it can be on display for everybody and everyone's opinions and so for so many reasons the holidays are a lot and so where do we start with that oh dad like what's our what's our guiding life through the holidays what is that do you think um I think I think our guiding light through the

holidays is know that um well the holidays are going to come you can't wish them away I think that's the first thing you know they're going to come they're going to We want to either. They're beautiful for so many reasons. Yeah. But how do we not stress and how do we do what works for us? And I think the first thing to do is to, I mean, we talk so much about making a plan, but maybe a plan with boundaries as well.

And when I talk boundaries, I don't talk boundaries, meaning restrictions. I'm not, I'm not saying your boundaries are you have to tell everybody to get out of your space. This is my boundary. I'm leaving alone, I'm doing what I want to do. But I think maybe just putting those parameters up for yourself, maybe boundaries is too much of a harsh. Remember those parameters. Think about how you want it to be. Think about how you're going to deal with those people's reactions. Because, you know, they're going to come. We talked about that last week. How are you going to deal with those people's reactions? How are you, what are you, what are your

plans? What are those parameters for yourself? I think maybe that's the first step into, into being that, I don't know, I don't know if there's a guiding light because you don't really know what to expect. You don't know what's going to happen. So I think you just have to be open to rolling with the punches. I think you have to be open to going with those ebbs and flows. But I think you also have to have some clear parameters for yourself. Like, okay, maybe I am going to just eat all the cheese, drink all the eggnog and deal with it after the fact. Or maybe I still want to do feel, I do want to feel good, but I still want to be a part of everything and maybe in a new way. And I think there's no, I love that you brought that up because before we go, there's no right or wrong on this.

right like if you want to go and trash yourself over the holidays fine then just don't berate yourself and beat yourself up afterwards just be like that was worth it okay back at it that's that's what these skills and tools are for too but not everyone who goes away on a vacation has to reinvent the way they go on vacations you want to go and you want to party till four in the morning and trash yourself and and eat all the things and come back have adder you're allowed to do that because you also have the tools and skills to help your body recover from that too right so you don't necessarily need a whole holiday overhaul just something to think about you might be like yeah i'm going to eat drink all the things worry about the rest later as long as you

do worry about the rest later and not just worry actually take action on it because again you know you work so hard to get here you don't want to just fall back in the old habits and i think you can also give yourself permission to pivot at any time i think if you are in it and you're deep in it and you're like man i have really done a number of myself for two days i'm going to pivot i'm going to pivot now and not do myself, you know, do that to myself for the next two days. You know, I think you can give yourself permission to pivot. Or if you feel like you're coming into it and you're like, you know, I just want to let a bit looser. I just want to just let it go for two days. You're allowed to do that too. You know, you're allowed to pivot and change your

mind. As long as I love that, you know, stay in that cycle. Yeah, I love a high cat cast, joining us from vacation from Arizona. Arizona. Reading a about Arizona this morning. And I love Kim. Mindful can go both ways. Mindful about not eating the things or mindfully eating all the things. Exactly. But if you want to be intentional about giving it some thought,

you don't want to be. The worst thing is mindless. And it's not going to take a lot of extra energy for you to be mind. And I think, I don't think that you should be surprised at this point either. Like, I don't think you should wake up and be like, oh,

why do we feel like this? Or oh, how do I feel like this, you know, a bag of act right now like what is going on like this shouldn't surprise you you should know exactly why you feel that way you know i'm only surprised when i do trash myself and i'm like oh yeah i feel pretty good yeah and usually the next thing out to me and i'm like what the fuck is wrong with me today yeah uh it's good to be back yeah we've got we've got two more weeks to

talk about the holidays so we will we'll have some fun with it i mean we're going to give everyone some some things to think about we're also going to have some fun with it because the holidays you know there's the grinch but there's also the elf so we're going to we're going to be both yeah we can be both we can ebb and flow thousand forth that's right uh do that podcast thing for me well you have let me right up here i wrote a note yeah great tell tony i'll be late to the one o'clock meeting because i'll be doing that oh i'm not even going to that oh okay i'm not going Monday. I'm choosing.

I'm intentionally choosing to not go. Okay. Thanks, everyone for joining us live. Thanks for the laughs. Thanks for the conversation. We appreciate you. We're right here with you.

Have a great rest of your day. A bag of ashtrays. That's old memories. Right? Oh, my God. Okay. We got to go, everyone. Okay.

See you. Bye. Bye. Thank you.