The Livy Method Podcast - Maintenance & Mindfulness: Mindset Mondays - November 3, 2025

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Maintenance Mindset Mondays is all about cracking open the conversation about what REAL maintenance looks like – beyond the scale and deep into personal transformation. Join Gina and Odette as they dive into the week’s focus, share insights on all things maintenance, and answer your questions. Whether you’re new or experienced, there’s something for everyone!In this week’s episode, Gina and Odette explore the emotional letdown that often hits after high-energy events, like Halloween, the Jays' games, or a hectic weekend. They talk about how these moments can leave you feeling “blah” or oddly unsettled, even when nothing’s technically wrong. From feeling ordinary to embracing a calm routine, they guide the community through the natural reset that Mondays offer. This episode reminds maintainers that while weight loss may be in the rearview, the real work—sustaining change, trusting your habits, and staying mindful—is just as important now. Sometimes, simply doing what you know is the biggest win.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTo learn more about The Livy Method and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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To Maintenance Mindset Mondays. Let's all take a deep breath. We've had a lot going on. We haven't had a lot going on. I was just saying, hi, Gina, how are you today, first off? You know, I'm here. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I went to, so the last couple weeks, I've had friends dropping off, you know, food for me and my family and everything. And so I was returning some Tupperware last night. And one of my girlfriend said, how are you doing? And I said, I feel really ordinary today. I feel like I've had an ordinary weekend. It's been uneventful. and I said it just felt really, really lovely.

Like, I mean, there was so much going on, but just to be home and to have an ordinary day felt really great and felt really calm. Yeah. Wow. That's what I'm feeling. I'm just feeling like ordinary. So, and I like it like that I don't feel up or down or just just calm. I love that. Yeah.

I love that. I could use an ordinary day. Yeah. I mean, it could all go to shit later today, but right now, I'm holding on to it. Well, people had a lot going on, even without having a lot going on in their lives. They, uh, we had the Js, which our motions were up and down. We had a Halloween. We had daylight savings.

Um, you know, where, plus it feels like we, as soon as Halloween's over, they, you flip the script and it's, it's the holiday season already. Like, literally I was down in aisle trying to pick up some last minute Halloween stuff. stuff and turn the corner to the next aisle. And it was all Christmas. Like, we don't get a break between all these holidays that keep coming, you know, in life that keeps happening. There can be a lot of what's going on. An ordinary day sounds absolutely lovely.

Yeah, it did sound lovely. And, you know, we had, um, that we had members talking about that that there's been so much going on, you know, whether it was an event or Halloween or the Jays or whatever they had going on in their life. And now they like flip the switch to this Monday and they're like, oh, well, what now? Yeah. Like that's done. Like that part is those emotions are done.

That roller coaster's done. That anticipation of a celebratory weekend with all these treats and how am I going to navigate it. That's done. So what now? Like what do I do now? Yeah. I mean, some of the comments here back for a little encouragement, um, looking for some motivation today, feeling kind of blah with this crappy rainy day, also feeling the blue

Jay Blues, right? Yeah, so happy. It's a Monday. Great day to reset and to be really good with the plan. A lot of shit went down this weekend. I stress eight through the Jays game. Right. And I think that's it sort of like you're in coping or survival mode. Even with the Jays, it was like waiting for the next, waiting for the next thing up and down, up and down. And, you know, of course, here we are on Monday. And so now what? Where do we go from here? My conversation in the weight loss program today was like let's take a minute and feel where we are at how have we been showing up what what's been going on in our lives what do we need to make sure we keep moving forward and and also we talked about getting getting deeper right not just the surface level stuff that's you know bubbles up to the

top but intentionally mindfully going deeper because we are in the pursuit of change here and now yes you've already lost your weight but so what kind of change permanent change, the kind of change that sticks, right, like that you want to maintain this change. So there's a lot of work to do there and being really intentional. Here's Linda, it's so easy to get caught up in the roller coaster. Then when things are quiet, it feels weird. But that's when we want to feel the feels and take time to reset. Exactly, right?

Like, let's just indulge in a nice normal day. So, yeah. And then what? What now, Odette? Yeah. So now, I mean, if people are kind of in this, you know, we're talking go deeper. If people are at this place where they don't have the capacity to go there yet, don't overthink it.

Just do what you know. Just rely on those simple things that you know. You don't have to think about a tweak for a few more days. So now it's really the time to just tune back into how you're feeling like you said, you know, what's going on with you and just do what you know at this point. If we are in the pursuit of making permanent change or making forever change. But if today on this Monday or even tomorrow, this Tuesday, all you can do are those little simple habits and get back into that regular routine without having to overthink, that is the place

where you want to be. Well, I hear Jaselle, this stage is very different than losing. The last few weeks I've been sidetracked back to using the app and tracking and being accountable as well here for motivation and back on track. I want to feel good again with sleep and food and all the things. Yeah, that's exactly right. When you're not here motivated to move the down on the scale, but this is what, this is the tools and the skills to maintain me, the skills to pivot with life, to adjust, to, to fall off for

whatever reason, and to get back at feeling your best, you know, someone was talking about how they didn't, they didn't even win the 50-50. They didn't get my call from Joe Carter. So on an up note of that, someone here is on the board of directors for the Jays. And they were telling me this morning that they raised a shit ton of money, But they were, they were hoping to raise over $6 million for their charity. And they raised something like over $20 million for charity. So, I mean, it was such an exciting series. And everyone's feeling a little bit depressed, but it was such an exciting series.

The Js, they, they, you know, they made a lot of money for their charity. That's going to do a lot of good at the end of the day. You know, I think it's seeing that from that perspective of like, okay, wasn't that amazing? Wasn't that great? What we don't want to do is be feeling like shit. it on a Monday physically because how we've been indulging and then really let that sidetrack us, this is life. I hope that Jay's make it again to the World Series and we all fall off again because that's what it's all about and it's about being able to get back at it and not

let that snowball effect continue and continue and continue like it has in the past, right? Yeah, I was looking, I was reading something yesterday. So I just wasn't in a place where I could re like Sunday morning my husband got up and he like turned the TV on he wanted to he wanted to rewatch all the highlights oh I'm like no I still can't me too I'm like I can't I can't actually turn the TV on a bed I actually got out of bed with my coffee and went downstairs with my dog I'm like I can't I'm not at a place where I can emotionally handle watching it again no so I'm like I can't go there yet and then I saw something else later in the day and I made this connection actually to our to our members and where they're at right now and someone said yeah that yeah they lost

Yeah, it was really, it was, you know, on the brink of devastating for so many. But let's not forget the records that they broke, you know, along the way. So maybe, yeah, it didn't, like, it didn't end up exactly the way they wanted it. But, you know, they, I can't remember what, what the records were. Like, there's, so many come back. Yeah. They just kept coming back. Yeah.

And, you know, their rookie pitched, however many innings, broke a record. they've never been to a game seven i think in a world series that's another you know accomplishment and i think about with our members so many you know they're not exactly where they want to be let's not forget all of the other little things that have happened along the way all these all these skills that you've picked up all this new knowledge that you've gained all of this learning about yourself that has happened you know don't don't let that you know get get dampened by not being exactly where you are feeling exactly how you want to feel at this point well it is really cool though right because the jays are playing to try to win the world series and they got really really close but they don't say fuck it and give up and you know pack it all in and you know they're going to be at it again next year and now they know they can get there right so they can get there again and maybe they didn't come first but they came pretty damn close you know and accomplished a lot in that time there were a lot of personal best and records and stuff that were set there and so you don't throw all that away just like the same with your journey you don't throw it all away just because

you've had some setbacks or you haven't got your goal yet you know if you are one step closer to reaching your goal right then that in itself is amazing so that's going to happen with maintenance your goal weight is not like it's it's your or your set point weight is not one it's like not one number it's a it's a range that is going to fluctuate with your life so it's learning like when life is easy and things are going great you might be on the lower end of your weight and then when things are, you know, a little bit, you know, rougher or you've got a lot going on. You might sit on the higher end. But this is where you start to physically feel uncomfortable.

You've got to be like, I got to check myself here. I need to show up for myself. I need to make sure that I don't go too far that I can bring it back. And then it's just a matter of like being able to that, that, that set point is that range where you're trying to do that, that, that fine dance or that balance with life. That's what that is what it's all about, right? So, and moments like this, weeks like this, they're just going to keep coming hopefully because that's what life is all about you know so yeah yeah oh here's a quote

mel robin says you might not be where you want to be yet but you're also not where you used to be so huge yeah it's so huge and i love that you know that that word yet you know there's such a power power in those those that little word yet and you know mel robin's using it like you're not where you are yet it doesn't mean that you're not going to get there there's so much hope and potential and even empowerment in that word. Like, yeah, I'm not there. You know, instead of saying that, I'm not there. I'm not there yet.

I'm going to get there. Yeah, because your goal here is to acquire the skills and have the tools, work through the shit they need to work through, to be able to know what you need to do to maintain your weight. That's what it is. Why do you gain your way back? Situational change. It's not situational change.

It's not adapting to situational change, right? You gain your weight back because you didn't give your body time to adjust to your new weight, right? we didn't put enough time in, just helping your body adjust to your new weight. That takes a lot. Not being mindful, right? And mindful should be a habit. It should just be who you are, not something that you have to do.

You shouldn't have to ask for the four sets of mind fleeting questions for the rest of your life. That should just come naturally, right? So that's what you're here to do. Sometimes we need to, I think, maybe remind ourselves that this is all happening so you can learn the things, work through the things and acquire the skills that you need. So we wouldn't want to do this and not have anything happening in our life. eyes because at some point something's going to happen in your life. Like me, I maintained my weight for 30 years. And then two years ago, my dad's dad, my kid's dad, you know, menopause hitting stress of work, kid with mental health, all of that was the perfect storm. And my weight went up.

We lost expert, right? For the majority of my, you know, the last 30 years, been able to easily maintain my weight, higher end, lower end without really working too hard at it. And then there came a time where the situational change was so situational that it really threw me for a loop. Now, did I have the tools and skills? Absolutely. Did it take me a while to start doing the things that I really needed to do? Yeah, I did. Probably could I have, you know, lost that weight and felt better sooner? Yeah. If I would have, you know, chose to maybe to not drink and to take my stress seriously and all those things. But I had to learn what I needed to learn, right? Yeah. And sometimes you just need to take a hot minute in that space, right? And allow that to happen.

And then you, it's almost like you, not that you want something like that to happen, but it's almost like a, it's that reality check. So you can check yourself before you wreck yourself. You're like, okay, it's always some sailing until it isn't, right? And then you've got to just take a minute and be like, okay, now what, now what do I do? Now how do I move forward? Now how do I get myself out of this? How do I, how do I remind myself that I'm strong enough to do this or I know better and I can do better now?

Or you're good enough. I like Rob, there are some that that say second place is the first loser. reject this. To your point, look at all the progress to get there. Winners. Yeah, and it's not like everyone gets a trophy, but kind of, yeah, you can find the gift in it. So my dad said this to me. And I, it affected my whole entire life where I remember it was track and field and I was would have been under the age of like 12 because I remember the house that I was living in the kitchen where I was standing and said to my dad, look, I won second place. And my dad's like, you didn't win. I'm like, yes, I did. Showed them my ribbon. I won second place. And he's like,

you don't win second. you win first. If you didn't get first, you didn't win anything. You lost. And that has like literally like carrying that with me has affected my entire life to the point where I'm like all or nothing person. I literally from that moment became an all or nothing. It was either all or it was nothing and there was absolutely no middle ground. And that is no place. That's not a place to function through life with. It's because we're choosing not to see the middle ground. We're choosing we just want to be upset that the Jay's loss. So we're allowed to be upset that the Jay's lost and also see a different perspective.

If it was also amazing at the same time, both can be true at the same time, but it's really hard to do that. And that's like that all or nothing mindset with this, right? Like you either stay at that one number or you're doing something wrong when no, there's a range here. There's a flexibility here, right? There's a middle part to that. It's not your lowest low. It's not, it's like it's, you know, there's the middle ground. Yeah. And I think that comes, I mean, you had it in a pretty, you know, strong core memory for you. And maybe some of our members don't even know that that has happened to them from their past cycles, from past traumas, from past things that have happened to them that have happened so gradually. Or maybe they were in a cycle of things happening and they don't realize that they're sitting in this all or nothing. It has to be perfect or else it's nothing at all. You know, I think that that takes time to realize that as well. And, you know, not everyone has that obvious core.

So it's getting deeper, like you said, right from the very beginning of this conversation, you know, where is that coming from? What's that, what, where, like, what is bringing that up for you? Maybe now is the time where you can get a little bit deeper and think about that. Yeah. Go where you, go where you need to go, not where you want to go. We're always so surface. Like I, my, um, exercise this morning on the live was like, give me a, like, um, if you have a thought or a feeling that's coming up right now, a feeling that would describe your, where you're at in your journey. And some people were like, disappointed, stalled, slow, steady. I'm like, slow is not a feeling.

You go deep. You got to go deeper. And the chances are how you are feeling about your journey right now is how you're probably feeling about a lot of things in your life. And how you are trying to reach this goal is the same way that you show up and try to reach any goal. A goal is a goal. This because this is weight loss focused doesn't mean that it's any different in terms of reaching any other goals. So at this point, eight weeks in, it's not about the surface stuff. It's not about the stuff that's floating, the obvious stuff floating to the top. It really is going in deeper.

Ask yourself, how do you feel? Okay, okay, how do you, okay, taking that word, that's go deeper. How do you really feel now? Like where, and what is that about and where is that coming from? If we just keep looking to the food, that's not going to be it, right? Self-sabotage is something that tends to pop up at this time where people are at to week eight when the novelty wears off and it's just about showing up and doing what you need to do that's a lot easier said than done and this is where you know disappointed in myself i can do better

so this is this is a great one karen and this is where i would say okay disappointed in yourself in what way like are you there's so maybe this is where i'd be like hey what are the things this is where like what are you doing that's really well like you're still here week eight that's freaking amazing that that's it drop the mic right like you haven't given up on yourself that is really huge. So what is it that you're disappointed in or is there another layer or a word that's deeper than that? And then try to describe that, right? That can really highlight maybe a major issue that you're, that you're dealing with. Yeah. I love that you pointed out because I, Karen, Karen is very vocal in the group and I see her comments. She comments a lot and I love it.

And oftentimes it, it is, they are these comments maybe after a weekend or huge. you're, you know, then she's like, oh, I need to do better this way or I need to do this differently. And I think, you know, just speaking to Karen specifically, because we pulled out her comment here, that, you know, when she's saying I'm disappointed myself, like, what else Karen did you do this weekend that maybe you weren't disappointed in? You know, what is it exactly? What part of your weekend exactly or what part of your week are you just, what part of this journey are you disappointed? Just like you said, Gina, what are you disappointed? But then what else, you know, can help you reframe that that disappointed feeling you know what else is is where is the good

and that happened over the last couple days or a couple weeks that we can look at as well and maybe that'll help balance out that disappointed feeling yeah or go right into it um which i'll share my morning in the in the second yeah we're having some technical issues some of these just noticing our audio's a little off yeah so we're that's why we started a bit late today so just kind of bear with us but i'm disappointed in myself that i have continued to drink more than i'd like to drink. I went out on the weekend. I, you know, Saturday night drank way too much and just felt like garbage all day. And it's been a bit of a snowball. I've just been drinking quite a bit for the last couple weeks. And I just feel like shit. Am I disappointed? I don't know if

disappointed is the word because am I disappointed in myself? I understood why I was making the choices I was making. So it's not disappointed. I could totally go there, though. It's more like, I've had enough. It's not working for me. And this morning, I was like, what do I want to do here? Like, really? Is this I just don't drink for like ever again? Is it like I don't drink until maybe like I'm going to Rome in the summer?

Maybe that's my milestone. I'm going to not drink. And then I was like, oh, but then I have a trip here. And then I have a bit there. And I was like, what am I doing? Like I just, is there a way maybe I can just have one drink or whatever? I don't know what the answer is. But I could say disappointed, but that's very surfacey for me.

I got to go, what, I'm tired. I'm tired of my own shit. I'm tired of not doing the, the hard stuff that I need to do that I know is going to make my life better. And I'm not just talking drinking. I'm talking about saying no to things again. Like I, you know, there was a time where I was had a lot of boundaries for myself. I was choosing not to drink.

I was saying no to things I didn't want to do. I was, you know, purposely seeking out glimmers in my day. And there was a lot of work. I got tired of it. And so I let it all slide. And I feel like I've slid back. but it's kind of like I'm just sick of my own shit. I am just sick of it.

And it's kind of I step up. I put my big girl panties on and I'm like, I want to do better, right? So you kind of have to understand because like I'm not disappointed in myself because I did the best I could at the time. I wasn't trying to trash myself. I just, that's the best that I could do.

Do I wish I would have done better? Well, that would have been nice, but I, you know. So sometimes it's really kind of giving it some thought and be like, okay, what do I need to move forward? So I need to share with Tony. This is how I'm feeling. So that was a big thing, right? The next is making a plan for myself.

I'm going to wait for the next week. What's my plan? I'm not going to drink. I'm going to drink a lot of tea and drink my water. I'm going to be intentional about trying to feel better. So, you know, I don't know long term, but I know where I'm at right now today. And I know what I need to not do. So I need to think about what's my plan moving forward, you know?

Yeah. I think to speak to that too. And, you know, there's a lot of things that. I tell myself as well, like I need to stop doing this. I need to get my shit together. I need to do this. And then I, I almost talk myself out of it like, yeah, but if I do that, then I can't have that same experience that I've had. If I stop, if I'm like, I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm like, but me and my girlfriends get together on Saturday afternoon. So we always have drinks. Then what does that look like for me and that experience? Or, you know, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to have this

food anymore because it makes me feel like not well but then if I don't have it my whole family's having it I'm missing it on an experience with them you know I feel like I you sometimes talk yourself out of it because you don't know how how it's going to affect you or what the outcome is going to be and you're like it's almost easier to stay in this safe space we're like I'll just continue to feel like garbage because I don't I'm scared of what it's going to look like if I feel it's familiar yeah yeah yeah and so we've made a lot people Like, we've made a lot of changes to get here. Yeah.

You know, and that's like that can be really big. You really are changing, not just physically, but mentally, the energy you're showing up with, how you're living your life. And again, this comes to that. How do I want to be? I don't want to be a person who's barely getting out of bed in the morning. I don't want that. I don't want a person that's foggy brained and just trying to survive. I don't want that, right?

Any more like there's the tradeoff because you get to have the fun and you get to drink and you get to or eat or whatever that might be. but I feel the bigger payoff will come with making these changes I need to make. And I feel like I'm really ready to step into that next era of myself. But it's a scary move, even though I want it, I'm already missing the why I'm missing. And again, for me it's just alcohol, but for every, you know, for other people could be something else. Like, it's not easy making change that actually sticks. Yeah. It's not easy making change. And the unknown is scary. Like you said, like it's, it's, it's scary. You know, when you make change and so many things are going to change, but you don't know

what that looks like yet. Why would you want to go there? Like, I don't want to open a door if there's something scary on the other side. I'm going to walk away from that door. I'm not going in there. Right. Here's Ciddy. So driven down this path, uh, down this path, this program, lots of frustration and disappointment this round. Work pulls me down as it's so, and it's so stressful and I'm exhausted at the night. That same thing, right? You make some boundaries for yourself or work and you get in a good rhythm. Next thing you know, you're back into, I did that too. I said to my team, I can't, I can't be creative when I'm in a meeting. back to back all day every day. I'm so in the weeds of it. Then I finally step out. Guess where

I'm back? I'm back in the weed. So it doesn't have to be alcohol. It doesn't have to be food. It can be other things that you're doing. It's so stressful. I'm exhausted at night. But on the plus, I'm still working through the fields and pushing through that. And there are some times where we can't have just life aligned perfectly for us. That's not the point. I think it's recognizing where you are going even deeper and recognizing where you are at. And that's what these tweaks do, right? These tweaks each week, are designed to make it a little uncomfortable, a little inconvenient to highlight, if we just follow the same routine, you know, of life,

we're not going to learn anything, right? So that brings stuff up. Yeah. What we're doing now is, you know, we're getting, we say this all the time. You're getting the tools and the skills, but you're getting the confidence and you're getting the wherewithal because you're not,

this is not about following a program. We're not teaching you how to follow a program. We're trying to help you teach yourself how to live beyond the program. We're trying to teach you how to live through, you know, changing situations and stressful times. And, you know, when life keeps lifing, that's what we're doing here. We're not teaching you to how to follow a program. Yeah. And we're just using the system.

Yeah. To help you learn. I love what you have here about automaticity because, you know, how we put the maintenance program together in which took us a while is we actually did it based on research and science. And, you know, Ruth did hundreds of. focus groups with people trying to figure out what were the commonalities between people who are successful at maintaining and people who weren't. And we built the whole maintenance program around that. And she brought up this word automatic. And you say here, your brain flipping to easy mode for tasks you've practiced repeatedly. It comes from the word automatic, meaning

automaticity happens when repeated actions require little or no thought. And that's what this is about. It's about, you know, asking the four questions so many times. It's about when you get on the scale, you capture cancel and correcting into a more positive mindset about it. Your thoughts do become habitual and they are just wired to the negative, the negative, which tends to be so much easier for the brain. It's always looking for danger and the problem and solving an issue rather than that, you know, taking the time to rewire your brain in a more positive way, especially around food and your body and how you feel and all those things. So I love that you were highlighting that today. So we were going to call the weak automaticity something and

then we're like, oh, it's such a hard word. Yeah. Actually, now that it's been three years, we're both saying it pretty easily. Yeah, we've taken it some. So maybe we can add it back in there on a more formal level. I think we sat around that room for three days trying to say it and we just scrapped it because we couldn't say it. Well, this is what this is real change. The automaticity is this real change.

You know, again, going back to my conversation this morning, what does it take to make real change to make things so automatic? that just is who you are now. You don't have to think about making the change. So you're supposed to be thinking about making the change. And so all this last week, you're thinking about what you need to do and what's going on in your life. This is where it's so automatic that life is just happening and you're just automatically doing the things that you need to do, right? Yes, we want that. The routine is the foundation of change.

We need systems in play like the Libby method and what we're doing to help make it automatic. I love that. And that's the whole, you know, that you say the word systems there like you know it's great to have these goals but you've got to have a system in place to get there you can't just say i'm going to hit this goal and then never think about it you have to have that system in place you have to have that plan in place and that's this maintenance program this maintenance journey that is your system to get there at the end yeah well this is a fun conversation today i'm very unexpected i think we all need it yeah and just

we need to be we need to be given permission to take the time to be like let's take a deep breath and figure out where we're at and let's regroup um you know week eight of the program we still have a lot of time left here this is where people start thinking they don't have time time time it is what it is you got to keep moving forward keep moving forward um holiday seasons here how are we going to navigate just you know hopefully today you you had a few aha moments and it's a good takeaways what is our homework for this week well i wanted to talk um habits and habits that because habits aren't going to stick just because you want them to.

You know, you can't, you can't wish, you can't waste your habits into place. You actually have to do them so that you are reprogrammed to thinking it is part of who you are. So this week we just want to, before we get into feeding the metabolism, we'll talk more about that on Wednesday. So we're going to start that again on Thursday. But just talking about habit stacking. And it doesn't have to be two actions together. I think people think, you know, brushing my teeth and squatting or, um, you know, like just sticking these two actions together.

Maybe it's an action and a thought. Maybe you are, maybe you're brushing your teeth and you are talking to yourself in a positive way. Maybe you are doing squats and thinking about, you know, capturing those thoughts of when you stepped on the scale and it wasn't exactly the way, what you wanted to see. So don't always think of it as two actions. Maybe you're stacking your habit, your actionable habit with an, with a thoughtful habit. Being intentional, though, rewiring your brain and your thoughts. I love that.

Yes. Yeah. Because the habits, you've got to practice them. You know, whether you've heard it takes 10,000 hours or whether you heard it, you know, takes 28 days, whatever it might be to make something stick. The more you do it, the more natural becomes, the more part of who you are, it becomes. Not just a tour or a to-do list. So Atomic Habits is a great book for that.

I'm going to, so I had a conversation with Dr. Jason Fung last week. and he wrote the obesity code, sold millions of copies. And he talks about fasting. He talks about how weight loss isn't counting and weighing and measuring. It's really about hormones. And he does it through fasting, giving your body a break to, you know, to not have to process and digest it, which we are doing by not eating at night and whatever. So there's different versions of that.

But he wrote a new book called The Hunger Code, which is talking about why people eat, like physically what's going on, hormones, emotionally, what's going on, societally, what's going on, which is a really good book. out until March 5th. He's going to actually come on in the group. We should totally stream that in here as well. But that would be a good book. And it really just validates everything people have done to get here into the maintenance program. And how important it is that you actually solidify what is happening, both in your body, but also more so in your mind. Right. So, yeah. Okay, Odette. Thank you so much. Great conversation. I don't know if I'm,

I'm away at Obesity Week. You are. You're leaving tonight. Yes. I am. Yeah. Apparently. I don't know where I am. I got a lot of travel coming up this week. I'll be fine. Anyway, maybe I'll see Wednesday, maybe not, but I know you will be here. I'll try to, I'll drop in. I'll drop in. I'll see where I met.

Have a great day, everyone. Have a great week as well. Thanks, so, Deb. Okay, bye.