The Livy Method Podcast - Maintenance & Mindfulness Weigh In Wednesday - July 3, 2024

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

Gina Livy's Facebook Live from the Maintenance & Mindfulness group hosted on Facebook. This is the live recording of Weigh In Wednesday from July 3, 2024.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTopics covered:INTRO - Introducing Tammy Sears Rotman, member in Maintenance for 1 yearIs there a universal sign to “check yourself to wreck yourself”?Whether or not you can get away with indulging… should you?Using what your body is telling you to help you make aligned choices The Fart Walk - normalising bodily functions and body movementListening to your inner voice and advocating for yourselfDigging deep to trust yourself and feel confident in what you knowOdette shares a sneak peek of what’s coming next weekTo learn more about The Livy Method, and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams from my 91 day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on Acast, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple,

and Amazon Music. Welcome to Weigh In Wednesday, one of my favorite segments of the week. And today, of course, is extra special because joining us is a special guest. Tammy Sears-Rotman is joining us. Hello and welcome along with Odette. As you know, Odette is the manager of the maintenance program and Kim, who is the manager of our weight loss program. And we are here to weigh in on a variety of topics relevant to maintenance, of course, but also above and beyond that, we just get to share our expert opinion about anything and everything. Hello, ladies. Hi. Hello. Hi.

Thank you for calling us experts. Yeah, let's do it again. Well, we're experts in this. We're experts in maintenance because we've been doing the maintenance program for a couple years now. We talk about maintenance all day, every day. I mean, and no one else is doing that out there, especially when it comes to diet diets. And Tammy is an expert because you lost 32 pounds with the Libby method and you have

been in maintenance since winter 2023. So you've been in maintenance for over a year now. Yeah, just over just one year. Yeah. All right. So where are you now in your journey? Oh, that's a good question. I feel like I'm, I'm not sure that I'm finally in forever. I feel pretty calm, pretty confident. But I do still think about things

on a day to day basis. Just I certainly not following anything or feeling like I'm tracking anything. I have no idea how much water I drink in a day. I just kind of know when I haven't had enough, that kind of thing. But it's still on my mind a little bit. So maybe that's close, but not quite finally and forever. I mean, I think a lot of people are there, right? They reach their goals. And then once they spend time in maintenance, they're like, maybe I could go for more. Maybe I'm okay. Only you will know at the end of the day. Okay. Odette. So what are our topics today? What are we weighing in on? And of course, if for any of our members who are joining us live, feel free to join in on the

conversation. I do have my eyes on my iPad, so I am following along with you. Yeah. So from the group this week, so we are talking, we revisited back on track. As we know, Mainus, that can be a little bit different. So we had a lot of members commenting and weighing in saying, oh, I need to get back on track. My scale is up, or I'm noticing my scale is up. I need to get back on track. So then I started thinking, you know, is that really the universal sign is, you know, is there a universal sign for checking yourself before you wreck yourself? Is it the scale? And, you know, what is it for each of you? How do you know when you need to kind of rein things in a little bit and check yourself before you wreck yourself? Is it the scale or is it something else? I don't know, Tammy, I see you,

I see you like nodding your head. What do you say? What are you thinking? For me, I don't feel the scale for me personally, um, is really a sign for me whenever I have persistent cravings or if I'm noticing I'm hungry at night, then I know, okay, what have I done? What have I not done during the day? Uh, to be feeling that way. Um, it's not really a scale thing for me. Yeah, I would say the same for me. It's sort of like now, like for example, alcohol. So I went out and what was it? Not last weekend, but the weekend before I had a couple of drinks. I know I was doing a live and I was drinking some wine. And after like the next day, the day after my body was really reactive to it. I didn't feel great. Then I had

some chippies. Then I was like, you know what? I need to get my shit together and get back on track because I'm not feeling really great. Now I'm just starting to recover from the long weekend and the wine before. And so I have a wedding coming up on Friday, this Friday, and it's Tony's best friend. And they're great. That's that they're a fun bunch and they like to party. And at first I was like, well, we should definitely take an Uber because probably I'm going to drink. And now I'm just like, I'm just starting to feel good again. I know that if I drink again, I am just going to feel off. It's going to lead to just like making choices that aren't great. And I'm going to find myself in the exact same situation. So this is a me checking myself before I wreck myself. And I said to Tony, I'm going to drive, like, I'm not going to drink. I can have a great

time. I just know that if I do drink, I'm not going to feel great. So that has nothing to do with the scale. Cause I haven't got on the scale in like a couple of weeks. I don't even know what my weight is at. And that's just a me. I'm I'm just I'm gonna go past the point of no return and this is me checking myself before I wreck myself so I agree to me it's not about the scale it's about just kind of knowing myself and knowing where I'm at yeah I think it's go ahead Kim oh sure um I was gonna say I think that I feel similar gina to you because this past long weekend i had a lot of stuff sort of social things that were fun going on and i just thought yeah i really don't have anything major going on this weekend so i really want to i've been doing

the last week socially we've been busier the last month or so and i feel like i've been on that little bit of a roller coaster where the weekends i kind of get off track and then get back on on Monday. And I'm just really thinking like I am needing to check myself this weekend because I know I have a couple of big weekends coming up and just taking that moment to sit back. But when I know I've gotten off track and I need to get back on track for me, it's when I get up in the morning is when I notice it. Like if I can no longer kind of easily get out of bed, feeling energized. And I got off track for a while. And I actually got to the point two weeks ago, where I woke up on a Saturday morning early at about 630. And I felt like going and working out. And I was just like, that's it. I'm back at it. I actually had the urge to do that. And it had been a while since I actually had that feeling of ready to get out of bed when I wake up

in the morning versus feeling like, oh, I'll just lie here for another half hour. Maybe I'll have a coffee and watch the news for a little bit in the morning. And for me, that feeling of when I get up in the morning, how quickly I'm able to start my day is what shows me like, oh, you're kind of getting away from that healthy, that healthy standard that you had for yourself for a while. So that's my sign. Time to reign it in, Kim. Yeah. Who gets up at 630 on a weekend? I mean, I didn't want to, but it happened. And I was just sitting there like, what do I do? Maybe I can go work out. Okay. But that's, to me, that's the big sign. If I wake up on my own at about 6.37 in the morning, that's, that's how I know that I'm feeling my best because that's kind of my, I get that natural

sleep pattern kicking in where I wake up on my own. I feel full of energy. I feel productive. I get lots done. So I need to, yeah, make sure I maintain that. So. Yeah, I think that's like, yeah, I feel that with Kim a little bit too. And it's not necessarily like my body waking up in the morning early, but when I do wake, like I tend to sleep in when I know I'm an early riser. So if I'm sleeping in, I'm like, okay, something's up here. Like I should be feeling better getting up. And then when I get up, it's like, oh, you know, my knees hurt a little bit, or my back hurts a little bit. And what is that from? Is that because, you know, I am off track, I'm not moving. And that's kind of a sign for me. But it's also a sign of when and be really

transparent. Sometimes when I walk past the mirror, and I'm like, you know, I feel like I have like, like a negative talk, or I say something to myself, that's not so nice. And I think that I need to get back to doing things that make me feel good, because I'm starting to talk to myself, like I am not that person anymore. So that was really, yeah, I'm the same, like, I don't step on the scale as much. But when I find that I'm letting those words come back out or that vision of myself happen again okay it's time now it's time to bring it back in yeah or if you're ragging on everybody else and you're just big and you're just like what the fuck's wrong with me well maybe

I should drink some water and get to bed and you know eat some leafy greens I said that before you know I'll say to my husband or my kids, I'll be looking at them. I'm like, I have this feeling like behind my eyes and I'm like, feel like I'm throwing daggers at you. That means I need water. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just want to remind people, right? Like three reasons why people gain weight back. One is not putting time into solidifying their weight. Number two is, what is number two? Oh, situational change. I'm having a day. I don't know what's wrong with me. Situational change. And that can be like emotional change. Something traumatic has happened. You've lost your job. You've moved. You've changed jobs. Whatever that situational

change is. And not that situational change does it. It's not, not addressing it and adapting to situational change. The other one really is mindfulness. And I think that's sort of where the category that we all fall under probably with where we are all at in our journeys is that mindfulness piece. Like we know, like you, that's like what we just introduced back on track, uh, in the spring, summer weight loss program and new members who are on week 10. And they're like, how do I know when to use it? I'm like,

you're going to know, like you won't have to question or wonder. You will know when you've done a number on yourself, but how do you, how do you prevent doing a number on yourself? That I think that's the question here is how do you, how do you know when it comes to check yourself before you wreck yourself? Like you can, it's a feel,

I think it's a feeling because you can feel really good and indulge for a couple days and the scale is just fine right like yeah i feel great and then after a couple days you're just like oh my gosh you know yeah i think that's true we've had members say that too that you know we talk about this in maintenance we say that you know remember they're maintaining their weight just fine but people just don't feel as good yeah right so you. So that can play into that as well. I would say that's the big sort of trap of it is when you have a few days, you have a few indulgences and you feel good and it doesn't affect you and you letting that make your decisions for you and that, oh, well, my scale didn't go up and I didn't feel crappy. So I guess I can eat that now. And then that's why you have

to kind of have that. Like, am I just eating it? Cause I think I can eat that now. And then that's why you have to kind of yourself when you have that. Like, am I just eating it because I think I can get away with it? Or was it like, I really wanted it or it was an indulgent thing. And it gets back into that habit. Are you getting back into the habit of having those things because you kind of let that habit sneak in? And I think that's for the, when you need to check yourself is that, you know, you have those drinks, you have the snacks at night because you had a weekend. And then if you let that sort of continue into the next week where, oh, well, maybe I'll just do it for one more day and one more day. And then all of a sudden it's, you know, two weeks later and you're like, yeah, now I've wrecked myself. I need to really check myself.

Well, if you're lying to yourself and making excuses and you know, like, you know, you know what you're doing, the choices that you're making. I think that even that can be like, okay, you know, here I am. Am I listening to myself? You know, you need to list guys. I think, you know, before, you know, like there's that moment where you already know, it doesn't take indulging in the chips or having the thing to know that you're already headed down that path. I think you just need to be honest. Yeah. I feel like the scale needs to not be the reason you don't want to yourself. Yes. You know, like, because I feel like my scale, my scale does not fluctuate much at all. Even when I have indulged, maybe because I haven't gone completely off the rails for an extended period of time.

So for me, it has to always be about how do I want to feel? Because, in fact, I did actually just out of curiosity weigh myself one night after having indulged, you know, after a good weekend. And I would never, first of all, weigh myself in the evening typically because it makes no sense, but I did cause I was just curious. I wasn't because I was worried and the number hadn't changed. And I thought, okay, is there something wrong with my scale? But it just goes to prove that the scale, I can't really use that.

It has to be a feel and yeah. Yeah. Well, here's Karen. Karen agrees. I get stuck in that trap too. If there's no consequences from indulging, I find it easy to do again. Yeah. And that's where, if you're going by that scale, you can't go by that because the scale might just be the same and you're like, oh, it's good. I can do that again. again meanwhile like you're feeling you're you know you're not feeling great and it's affecting you in other ways or affecting your sleep or your mood or whatever that might be yeah and if you're feeling so good it can take a while for it to build up into you yes again so that consequence might not come until you've already really slid back into that habit so it's not like

automatically like people have been giving their body what they need. You've been taking such good care of yourself, being active, doing all the things to take care of yourself. It's going to take more than, and that's, this is why it's not a big deal to decide to indulge or choose to have something that you want.

It's not necessarily going to make you feel crappy because you're feeling so good. Your body is very efficient at processing it and getting rid of it and moving on. That's such a good point because it's not indulging or not indulging, but you can indulge and be aware of the effect it's having on your body and offset that. Okay, I got to drink extra water here. I got to take my probiotic. I got to try to get some greens in. So, you know, this isn't like an all or nothing either. Like don't, don't indulge and don't, you know, make sure you're not wrecking yourself, you know, checking yourself before you wreck

yourself. But this can also be where you're recognizing, okay, these are the choices I'm making. So I need to offset that by, you know, going for walks or, you know, whatever, you know, drinking that extra water, getting those greens in or whatnot too. Right. Yeah. Okay. Love it. What's our next topic? I think we're pretty good on that. Right. It's individual. We always come down to like, here's our opinions and it's very individual. Yeah. Which I Love it. What's our next topic? I think we're pretty good on that, right? It's individual. We always come down to like, here's our opinions and it's very individual. Yeah. Which I think it is. I think it is too. I think it's great that we just give different insight and different perspective, right? So somebody might think, you know, someone might agree with Gina. Most people probably do. Some people agree with Kim and, you know, with Tammy, myself. So I

think it's really great that, yeah, we're not trying to solve any major puzzles here, but we're just trying to give people different insights. Just get people thinking. Okay, this is the next one. Odette. I know. I had to. So have you heard of this?

Have you heard of the fart walk? We're talking the fart walk. I mean, I've heard. Yeah, it's like a major thing right now. So I'm so curious about it. It's a major thing, you guys. was so curious about it it's a major thing you guys have you not heard of it what's going on you do that it's just you like you oh i've known forever you go for a walk because it is good for digestion after a big meal and stuff like that but like i've never heard it called the fart walk right so now it's a thing so it's called the fart walk so i

want to know are you trying to fart while you're walking like are you actually the concept behind it is let's normalize body functions and would you be more open to saying to someone i gotta go on my fart walk so what it is it's um someone came out they labeled it the fart walk we're normalizing body functions here because we all want to have great digestion gas is part of digestion you know it can be part of normal right everybody farts part of normal digestion i do not i do not tony is sitting beside me and uh i do not fart and i would never not i would never say I'm going on a fart walk I do not do that I'm just saying yeah okay so what they're trying to do is is like if we if we call it something fun like I'm going on my fart walk does that make you um more inclined to talk about it versus I gotta go and

like blow my pants out outside so So leave me alone for 10 minutes. Well, I think we should throw the disclaimer in there. Be careful how much conmagnesium you're eating before you try. You can't always trust a fart. That's the biggest thing we take off the Libby method, isn't it? You cannot. You cannot. You cannot. Okay. I mean, like, I think it's, yeah, I'm like camp Kim. Like it's good for digestion. I've been doing this. I've been doing this. I don't know if you call it fart swimming, but I'm swimming after meals because I mean, it like, it really helps with my digestion. It, you know, helps with my blood sugar and all that going for a walk after meals. I don't know that I would like call up a

friend and be like, Hey, do you want to go for a fart walk or post it on social media? I don't, I don't know. Not because like I'm opposed to it. I just don't think that is my, my motivation for doing it. Do you know what I mean? Like it's more for mental health. It's more for like, I just think that like, um, I think we can normalize it, but I just think for me, you won't see me doing leading any fart walks. Because that's not my motivator. I think. I do know, I will say that, I think to your point that I believe you that you don't fart is that I noticed that prior to doing the Libby method, I actually was gassy, and I experienced gas. And once I got my digestion in order from eating the nutrient rich foods, following the food plan, doing the Livi method, I actually wasn't experiencing it anymore. So

I think that there's something to be said for that. Like you don't necessarily, if your digestion is in order and you're taking care of yourself and you're doing all of the things to kind of keep yourself healthy, you might not feel like you need to do that, let alone announce it because you just feel good. Here's Karen. Karen's like, I feel like my husband invented the fart walk. Mine would for sure be on board with that. I don't know. They always need to be walking for that too. I mean, I've got sons and My like teenage kids are, what are we, we were talking about that the other day. And she's like, Oh, well, I'm just got to go. Like if I'm in the line and I'm like, what? No, she's like, well, no one knows it's me. I'm like, that's not the point.

The point, like everybody can smell it and make, what? She didn't see anything wrong with it whatsoever. I mean, I think, I think, I think we do need to normalize gas though. Because I think what's happening on social media is like, oh my God, just because you're a little bloated and you have some farts, all of a sudden you need to take this or do this or do that or whatever, right? I think it is pretty normal to be bloated

and to have some gas. I think there's a study of like, let me Google how many times people pass gas. You guys, you continue the conversation. I mean, like cruciferous vegetables are a huge one, right? He's just like, what did I get myself? That's right. That's right. Well, see now farting is normalized. It's a, it's just a body function. We do it like yeah i'm in the same boat i don't think we need to um announce it or nor and say i'm i'm you know i think we've all been fart wadding fart walking for as long as you know we've been alive fart wadding oh 13 to 21 times a day humans

pass gas between 13 to 20 here's let me read the. Humans pass gas between 13 to 21 times a day. Farts can be flammable if they contain hydrogen and methane. Do not test. Try to test under any circumstances. According to NBC News report, upon release, farts can travel about 10 feet per second

at approximately 6.8 miles per hour. Who tests that? Who tests that? Who's measuring that? I don't want that. It turns out there is TMI. It turns out there is TMI. What was the question again? Yeah. Would you tell someone you were going on a fart walk? Is it normal enough for you to tell someone you're going on a fart walk? And then you had this labeling something fun or funny make you more inclined to do it. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's fun.

I mean, if we did hashtag Livvy loser fart walk, I think we'd have like thousands of people tagging us in their fart walks. I think it's fun. I think it is fun. It's funny. But I wouldn't be like, hey, babes, you want to go with me on a fart walk after dinner? Tony's like, no, thanks. No. Well, I think your family would probably thank you if you choose to go on one versus doing it in the house too. Like go for a walk rather than like my boys do after dinner and like crop dusting the whole kitchen.

My kids would be told maybe like, yeah, let's go. And it'd be a challenge, right? They'd be able to see who farts the most, the loudest, the longest, like that would be a whole. Well, if you ever want to delve into the, you know, middle school boy market, that, that might be your ticket. That far walks in the color of your pee that's how you would get those those that demographic on board 100 anyway so farting is normal we all do it but we just don't necessarily need to announce it i guess keep your eye out for our libby loser fart walking group right anybody

who's walking in odette's area out in odette's Her walking is now going to question whether you are far walking. There's Odette. She's out walking. If Karen sees me again at the grocery store, who saw me there this afternoon, she's going to wonder if that's what I'm doing. She's going to do a wide berth at the grocery store. There's Karen.

She's like, Gina, you are still newlyweds. Wait a few years. No, so I'm not doing this, nor do Tony and I. This is TMI. We don't go into the bathroom at the same time newlyweds. Wait a few years. No, so I'm not doing this, nor do Tony and I. This is TMI. We don't go into the bathroom at the same time. We've been together for eight years. I did that with my, I just, no.

Maybe it's because my second marriage. I just think I'm not doing that. I don't want to get to that. I don't want to get to that level of comfort. No. Maybe Tony does. Do you, babes? Do you want to get to that level of comfort?

No. He's like, no. And so I just think from, that's my personal choice. I don't have anything against anyone who's into that, but I also like, I want to keep the sexy vibe going for as long as possible.

And I think, you know, I don't want to be walking in and I just, I don't know. I'm not, no, no. Like for me,

after having kids, I, any privacy that I can get, like we don't need little kids and they're just banging on the door and opening the door yeah yeah me alone i'm in the bathroom like i don't care if i'm how much i love you don't need to see you peeing i don't need yeah teach his own what's drew and brennan what are drew and brennan doing they're back behind the scenes what are drew and brennan doing did they do that what do they think about this what they're like just behind the scenes they're like no cut on to the next topic on to the next topic which is what is this one what even is this what we're doing

i know so this is a big lesson in listening to your inner voice and self-advocacy. Because so I'm going to tell you the back story of this. There was a woman, a Canadian woman. She went to the doctor over two years, multiple visits to the emergency room because she was presenting as being drunk, intoxicated without drinking. She swore she never had a drink. and I thought and doctors didn't believe her and I thought I probably wouldn't believe her either you know because I just she's like I've never had a drink but she smells like alcohol she's acting drunk you know all those classic symptoms and it turns out after two years of advocating for herself and not giving up it turns out she has a condition called auto brewery syndrome, where her body produces ethanol, which can make you seem intoxicated.

And I thought this woman, she persevered. She made it happen. And then I thought I probably wouldn't believe her either. Even if she was my best friend. And she's like, I don't have a drink. Yes, you do. So I don't know. Would you believe her either. If she, even if she was my best friend and she's like, I don't have a drink. Yes, you do. So I don't know. You know, would we, would you believe her? Would you, would you believe her? Well, I'll start. Yeah. Cause I have a very similar story. So I, um, I've had these bouts of like food poisoning throughout the years where I would end up in

the hospital for what we thought was food poisoning, white blood cell count up, barfing, so sick. And then it wasn't until like, I think it was Sonia was like, you get food poisoning a lot. I'm like, yeah, like I do. And so we went out one night and we had some drinks. So I barely drank. I wasn't feeling that well that day. And then I got so sick and I ended up in the hospital and I was just throwing up, throwing up, throwing up, throwing up, throwing up, throwing up. And then, you know, I went to the hospital and they're like, I felt better. Sent me back home, back to the hospital again, throwing up, throwing up, throwing up, throwing up. And anyway, they said to me, it could be from smoking weed. And I'm like, I'm not like a pothead. I don't like smoke weed. I'll like, what? Like, no, but I would, would smoke, have smoked weed,

have not since. And then I, they sent me back home and then I was back again. And in the hospital, I remember I was in the emerge and they were admitting me and I was so sick and in so much pain. And the, the girl at the front desk was like, can you keep it down? Like, can you just like, didn't like want to, but like, she thought that I was smoking weed and that this is what was happening to me. And it happened. It was like a rare thing. It's so super rare. And there I was like in excruciating, like someone was stabbing knives in my guts. That's when I was in the, I had to shut down like two weeks. So I was in the hospital. Um, and, but no one would like, I would believe that people wouldn't believe that was the reaction that I was believe that people wouldn't believe that was the

reaction that I was getting. I didn't believe it. Tony didn't believe it. We're like, this is not from smoking like tiny little, you know, joints at the end of the day here or there. This is not from that. It turns out it is. It's this really rare thing to the point that especially in the U S people spend hundreds

of thousands of dollars trying to figure out what's wrong with them. It's called hyper amnesia cannabinoid something. And people don't know what it is because they spend so much time and money trying to figure out what's going on with them because it's this rare thing. So I totally would believe, I think you trust yourself. If something is going on, you try to figure it out with the healthcare system. You have to be an advocate for yourself. So I think although this is really funny, I also think like there are circumstances where there are

some, you know, rare things that can happen. And if you feel like something else is something is happening, then you need to be an advocate for that. Yeah. And that's why I wanted to talk about it because I thought it was such an important message about intuition and, you know, sticking up for yourself and trusting that gut feeling and, you know, not giving up on yourself. I think it's so important. Yeah. I still can't have like chocolate or foods that are high in cannabinoids because there's foods like pepper and chocolate and cabbage. And like, I still can't have those. They literally make me sick and it sounds ridiculous. I don't really talk about it. Cause it's just like, that's ridiculous. It's actually a real thing. It's one of those rare things. Was she happy about the fact she was getting drunk or

she was not like, this is what I mean. What would happen like during her work day. So they were able to link it to food. It was certain types of food. And as it fermented, that's, that was the by-product of, of the fermentation in her body so she would be at work and have lunch and then she'd be like oh my gosh yeah people think i'm drunk yeah i hear that happens i hear that happens to people that does happen it happens especially on thursdays and fridays i think on fridays especially it it it's been no, I think, yeah, it's been known to happen. Nobody has to believe me. I'm really not. I think I did.

I would say I had a similar medical situation that came up when I was in Vegas, actually. And I, he had landed that day. It was a friend of mine's 50th birthday. We had gone out for dinner and I had a glass of wine with dinner. And an hour later we were at the Bellagio fountain. I blacked out. And when I came to, I projectile vomited all over Mark's shoes. Everybody thought I was just some random drunk girl at the fountain. And I was terrified for the whole rest of the trip because- You were roofied literally no I actually another time when I went to Vegas I did get roofied and it was different that happened but this was like literally we all shared a bottle of wine at the restaurant

and when I went to the doctor that's how I found out I have a bit of an issue with my heart which is with the flight and my vagus nerve, because we flew there that day, and it was a whole thing. So that's what it was. But I looked like just another drunk girl in Vegas. And it was so yeah, I have to be really careful, like where I'm going again in a couple weeks, and I'm going to drink lots of water, I'm probably not going to drink that first day until my body settles from the flight. And it's not a long flight for me. It's only like an hour and a half or two hours or something. Wow. It was like, I literally looked like a random drunk girl on like the, on the road, like walking down the street in Vegas, but I blacked out, threw up and that was it. Like, it was scary because I was dizzy. And then of course I refused

to go to seek medical treatment because I was down in the States and didn't want to have to pay for it. And I was like, I'm fine. But I went to the doctor. So I got back and I've been getting my heart monitored since and I've had a couple other episodes that have happened with other things where, like extreme heights and things like that can affect it. So I need to be really careful. And that's how I learned. But I knew it wasn't like, I think if I had a bunch of drinks that day, I would have just thought it was, oh, I drank too much. What an idiot. But because I was like, no, I actually only had a glass of red wine. And like hope that doesn't happen again next time I go. Yeah. No, ask me if I would have believed me or I believed Kim. Probably not.

So I think it's just one of those things. She still does it. It's so important to have the confidence to advocate for how you're feeling. I do think in some ways that's one of the downsides to having access to so much information is we tend to get in the habit of relying on external information. And we sort of get out of practice of trusting our own instincts and gut feelings. So it does sometimes, I think, get in the way of being able to stand up for yourself, especially as women. I think, especially in the medical profession, we get dismissed a fair bit. It's getting better, but. Yeah. I think this isn't like, would we believe her? It was like, if that happened to you, would you believe in yourself enough to be an advocate

and say like, no, this is what's going on. Do you know, like Kim, like you said, you would have brushed it off because like, I don't know, like you're going to go to the doctor and be like, oh, I'm in Vegas. I like blacked out after I drank. They're going to be like, you either drank too much or you got roofied. Like that was immediately my thought. So they're going to brush you off and not even investigate or go beyond that where you have to like, would you have, would you have trusted and believed you? If that happened, I had, I stayed at the doctor's office until I was like, no, I, there's something

wrong. There was something that is not right. I don't feel right about it. I don't not drink. So it's not like I wouldn't know what it felt like to drink too much. Like I knew that this was something that it scared the crap out of me because it was so out of the ordinary. And I thought like, if that could happen once, it could happen again. And I don't want it to happen again. But I think that's something that to your point Tammy really like you really do have to advocate for ourselves and I think of like you know what they used to say women have weak constitutions so they assume that we're complaining but in my experience actually we tend to put up with a lot more than the men that I know like we get the typical man cold in our house where

somebody gets the sniffles and it's the end of the world, but we're still treated like it's us often at the doctors that are complaining or, you know, just something that should be brushed off. So I think there's something that can be said like for really advocating for ourselves and being confident in that and being in ourselves. Yeah. I agree with Tim. It was Timmy said it's about being confident and knowing like this, this girl went two years trying to convince doctors she was sick. And to me, I just thought I was having food poisoning. Like you're right. And it wasn't until someone was like, you get food poisoning a lot. I'm like, Oh yeah, I have food poisoning. I must've ate something. I pulled over and I was like throwing up on the way home. She's like on the way from the nail

salon. Like, what did you eat? And I'm just like, Oh, I don't know. It must've way home. She's like, on the way from the nail salon, like, what did you eat? And I'm just like, I don't know. I must have been off. She's like, no. She's like, you get food poisoning. Wait, it's not normal. But for me, I've gone, went to the doctors. The doctor's like, yep, white blood cells are up. You must have food poisoning.

This is, you know, they give me the stuff and away I go. And I was just like, okay. And not even, would never even known to go deeper. No, in hindsight, I was like, what the hell was I thinking? I should have been like, okay. And not even would never even known to go deeper. No. In hindsight, I was like, what the hell was I thinking? I should have been like, what? No, it's not food poisoning. It's not food poisoning. You know, it's something more than that. But probably just because I, I don't know. Well, I think sometimes we're just like to the point we made before it's you

are, you know, you're kind of told like no you're being silly like don't you know you don't need to you don't want to believe you don't believe that about yourself you know you've been told like you're exaggerating or you are you know hallucinating where you are you don't want to trouble anyone right don't trouble anyone you don't want to be dramatic yeah don't be dramatic and then you start to believe that am i am i being dramatic am i doing these things so yeah i don't want to be high maintenance here but i passed out blocked out after like one drink like yeah don't worry about me though i got this i'm not going to the doctor i'm fine i'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah. So anyway, believe in yourself. I think that's the takeaway.

Believe in yourself. I think it's more than that. It's not just believe, be confident, show up confidently for yourself. I love that when you said that, Tammy, right? Like, it's not even just believing, it's having the confidence that you know, like if this was a friend that you were bringing into the hospital or a friend that this was happening, I would be like, no, no, Kim's not like blackout drunk kind of person. You know, let's get to the bottom. Let's figure this out.

Let's like know how you can be an advocate for someone else. You need to be confident with what's going on in yourself. You know yourself better than anyone else. Yeah. I love that. Who knew this was going to be such a topic? And I think that's a perfect transition to what we're talking about next week, too. You know, in the group, I'm looking at the time ticking away.

But next week, we're talking about transitioning to your personal plan. And then we're also talking about transitioning to trust. You know, how do you let a structured program go and know that you can really believe and trust in yourself. So yeah, I think that's gonna be a great conversation next week. That's gonna be an awesome conversation. Well, speaking of great conversation, this was fun. Tammy, thanks so much for joining us. Please come back and join us again. For more, you know, TMI conversation, because that's another good one for you. It was fun. Thank you so much.

What a thrill for me. And thanks to Dad and Kim, as always. And thanks to everyone joining us live. Thanks so much for weighing in with us, everybody. Have an amazing rest of your day, everyone. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye.

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