The Livy Method Podcast - Maintenance & Mindfulness Weigh In Wednesday - November 20, 2024

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Gina Livy's Facebook Live from the Maintenance & Mindfulness group hosted on Facebook. This is the live recording of Weigh In Wednesday from November 20th, 2024.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTopics covered:National Women’s Show recap.What does Finally and Forever mean to you?Back on Track in Maintenance.Movember with Maintenance and Mindfulness.To learn more about The Livy Method, and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams from my 91 day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on Acast, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple,

and Amazon Music. Welcome to Weigh In Wednesday. Do you guys sing? Are you singers? I do sing. I can't sing, but I do sing. If I didn't do this, I would love to be a singer, except for the fact that I cannot actually sing. I would, if I didn't do this, I would love to be a singer except for the fact that I cannot actually sing.

Yeah. I think we talked about, you can get, you can still get lessons. It's never too late. Yeah. I think Brennan mentioned it on our production team. He was like,

you should get lessons. Who's got time for lessons? Not me. Yeah. Then Brennan could write a song for you. You could sing it. We could do all of the jingles before the lives could be original music. You on both and Brennan playing the instruments on guitar. I like it. I'm ready to go. She is the manager of our maintenance program. And of course, Kim, who is the manager of our weight loss program.

Welcome to Weigh In Wednesday. It's where we like to weigh in on things maintenance related. Of course, sometimes we get off track and talk about a variety of other things just for fun, but we're here for it. So what are we talking about today? Well, you know, we haven't been live together for two weeks. So I want to just touch base and see how everybody's doing. And then we need to talk the National Women's Show, of course, because we haven't had that conversation here in this group. But not just about the National Women's Show, but about the amazing members that were there. So how are you guys?

Have you been two weeks? You've been good, Kim? Where am I? Yeah. It's been two weeks? You've been good, Kim? Where am I? Yeah. Been two weeks already? I feel like that was yesterday. I know. We're just getting over that being like that, that, that wired, but tired National Women's Show feeling, I think, right? Like we were just so, I can't even, I can't even

think of the word. Like we were just so excited and we were so energized by our members. And at the end of the day, we just said our goodbyes and went to bed because we had, that's all we had left. The next day we were able to get up and be re-energized and re-motivated and back in love with the day that we were going to have. Yeah. Well, Kim, it's funny because on the last day, Kim, y'all flew in from BC. And so Tony and I were staying at the hotel one more night and Kim was staying at the hotel one more night. And I was like,

we're like prepared to like take Kim out for dinner or do something. I said, so what are you doing? She's like, going to bed. I'm like, okay, well. Don't have to tell me. I think it was enlightening, energizing and exhausting. I think that we all put a lot of pressure on ourselves to make sure our members are

as successful as possible and to meet the real people. I mean, obviously we get to have conversations with our members here in the maintenance group. I get to have conversations with my real people, real journey segment in the weight loss program. But meeting real members face to face who are sharing their stories, which are all very personal and profound. I just I don't want to say it puts more pressure. In one sense, it's just like it's so exciting. But in another, it's like like, it's so exciting. But in another, it's like, it's a lot. And you realize there's a lot at stake here in helping people lose their weight in the way that we help them,

in the way that we want them to lose their weight. So it's exciting and also exhausting at the same time. Yeah. I think that just to put into context, so you were having your picture taken and meeting a lot of our members, and we had this massive line, you know, people waiting for their turn, and we were talking to people in line, and I have to say, and I know we've been talking about this concept of giving people hope, you know, that there is a better way, there is a way that you can do this finally and forever, and in that line and talking to people, I have to say that, that, that feeling came through so strong because we, I was talking to members and, you know, I had a name badge on, they said, Oh, you're Odette from the maintenance group. I'm not there yet, but I'm going to be

there one day, you know, and I'm going to be there one day. And there was no shame that they hadn't met their goal. There was no guilt that they hadn't met their goal. There was no guilt that they hadn't met their goal. There was this feeling of hope and there was this feeling of excitement that I'm going to get there one day. And I think that the whole weekend, you know, that was one of the biggest takeaways is that feeling of, of hope and knowing that they are and believing that they are going to get there one day. Can I ask you, one of the things that came out of all the conversations that we had, and it was just honestly so amazing meeting all of our members, meeting our community, meeting our community. And there was this concept, I'm second guessing finally and forever. Because I talked to so many people who felt like they crushed one program and then the next one, not so much. Or people who had gained weight back.

And every single person was like, but I know why this thing happened to me in my life. I know what I need to do to get back at it. And I've just been thinking about the pressure of finally and forever or the feels that come with thinking that you got there and then life happens. You fall back into old habits. And yes, you have the tools to move forward again. But even I, in my life, I've been able to, for the most part, maintain my same weight within a 10-pound range for 30 years. But there are times when it's

easier to maintain that and maintaining the lower end and times like in the last couple years where I've been really challenged with a lot of stress in my life, trying to really hold on and not let it go past too high of a higher end. It's been a lot of work to do that. And I wonder if finally in forever alludes to the static, like I'm done when we all know you have to continue living the livey way and life is not going to stop challenging you. And so it's made me really question this tagline of finally in forever. What are you guys listening? What do you guys think? What do you, what do you guys think? Kim, you want to go first? Sure. I think it depends on how you, what you foresee. And I see that finally and forever in that sort of phrase.

It's the mindset that it takes to be where you want to be, live the life that you want to live, be comfortable in your own skin finally and forever. And I don't know that that necessary for me, I haven't attached to, I'm going to stay at this weight forever because I think life ebbs and flows that way. But yeah, I think, I mean, finally in forever, it does. I think to some people it might be like, oh yeah, that's it. I'm going to lose my weight. And then that's it. I'm going to stay at my goal weight forever based on that. So yeah, I guess I think it probably depends on the person and how they define their wellness. I think that's one thing that I picked up from this weekend too, is that a lot of people recognize like, I still have to be mindful. I still have to, like they're in that mindset of I am finally and forever understand.

So then I finally am forever. I'm going to be at this weight. Yeah, I I agree with that. I think it is. It's a finally and forever mindset. Maybe it's that it's finally having that belief in yourself. It's finally having that trust in yourself. So not necessarily, finally, it's going to be easy or finally, it's I'm going to have a smooth ride for the rest of my life. But finally, I feel confident and I trust myself that I know I can handle it or whatever comes, whatever comes at me. I got this, even though it might knock me down, you know, I know that I can get back up. I think it is that feeling, that mindset of not being that dieter and struggling and, and, and I hate to say like not liking yourself or not liking how you're living,

but it's, it is that belief system, that confidence that I can do this. I have done this. It's not going to be easy, but I can, I can do hard things. I think that's what finally and forever can be. Here's Heather. Love this conversation. Was that finally in forever two years ago, right? It's that I was there. I was at finally in forever and then divorce, new job, new relationships, so much stress, but kept up with a lot of the main principles of the program, but I'm up in a way trying hard to bring of the program, but I'm up and away, trying hard to bring it back down, feel like others all get there, right? Here's Kim. I personally love finally and forever. It is the mindset that I have finally and forever found. Yeah, right? Like, I love that. The mindset, I guess it's how you define,

is there anything else you do in life where you reach it finally and forever? I'm thinking finances, right? So I finally got that job. I'm making money. My bills are paid. Then, God forbid, something tragic happens to you, and maybe you lose your job or unexpected bills. And just when you thought you were safe and you were done, life smacks you in the face. And so I do like that mindset finally in forever, like finally in tune with my body's needs forever done with starving and depriving forever done with, you know, counting and weighing

and measuring. It's just got me thinking, this has got me thinking, I don't know. Like, what does that truly mean? Finally, in forever, like right now, if you reach your goal, oh, yeah, bitch, I'm here. I'm never going back. Never say never because like shit happens, right? And it's not your fault. You fall back into old habits when something happens to you, you're not, you'd never experienced before, right? Here's Robert. Hi, Robert.

My finally and forever is knowing how to lose weight in a healthy way. Right? If I can stay in that 10 pound range for the remainder of my life, I'll be a happy camper. Here's Valerie. Oh my God, finally and forever so freeing. But do I understand life happenings and things will ebb and flow? Yeah, right. But knowing what to do when that happens is an amazing difference for me.

And here's Judy. I see it as I finally don't have to keep looking for a new program that works for me. I want to live this way finally and forever and know that my weight will fluctuate, but I also know that life happens and I have a strategy to deal with that. And I think this is why finally and forever can feel like it takes forever to get there because, you know, if you're, if you're if you're looking for that physical feeling and that physical ease you know it might not ever be really easy it might not ever be a walk in the park but if you can just understand that you're at this place that's it's different where you were before you know then then maybe you're there you, maybe you're at that finally and forever

where you have this new belief system. When I think that calmness, I think that calmness around food, that calmness around your wellness, that calmness that and confidence in doing everything you can to support your body is that portion of the lifestyle of living the live you way is finally in forever. Like I think most people that do the program, they don't finish it and be like, okay, I've lost my weight. I'm going to go back to sleeping like shit and not dealing with the stress in my life. Like there are portions of it that I can't even imagine going back to not being hydrated and not drinking water, no matter what stage I'm at. So I think there's certain aspects of taking care of yourself that become so embedded with the program that you are going to continue

doing it forever because it makes you feel good regardless of what's happening on the scale or what's happening in your life. So there you go. There's your finally forever now. Well, at the end of the day, spending time with our community is a it's a very profound experience and feeling and and when i was up on stage for example and to look down and see so many familiar faces of people i'd literally just met some of them but have known for a while um it was a really it was just there's no words that can describe when you get a room full of just people trying to live their best lives. And I feel like even though we may not know each other well, we understand the struggle that, you know, we understand struggles. We understand,

you know, and we've heard a lot of stories. I mean, I heard so many stories and just that understanding. I think just very real people and very real journeys is the best way I can describe it. And we are very real people working as a team to try to do our best to support and help very real people on their journeys.

And I just, I don't know, I just thought it was a really, it's an experience that will, it changes you. And I think, you know, we are helping people lose weight and we are helping people live their lives, but we're help. We're also helping people create these new coping mechanisms, you know, and, and to be able to navigate when a hard time does, you know, does happen or life does smack you in

the face. And, you know, it'd be so easy. I'm just thinking like, personally, you know, it would be so easy to slide back into this place where you rely on these old coping mechanisms, these old habits that you thought were going to help you get through things. But then you remember this community, you remember something that somebody said, you know, like, you've helped me get through you know like you've helped me get through this or you've helped me get through that and you know that that also goes beyond weight loss like yeah we want to get you in a at a healthy place physically but finally and forever is getting you to that healthy place mentally as well so yeah I just want to say hi to Sid. Sid's like knowing that back on track is there for you is so calming. As long as I remember to stay focused on my water. I hear you.

Hi, Sid. So I'm glad that Sid said this because Sid loves our graphics and he loves our, when we put up the back on track wheel and the mindful eating graphics, he loves those. I know he does because I see him tell us over and over again. And I love that he said this about Back on Track is there for you and is so calming. And I think I was really thinking a lot about Back on Track this week. Obviously we're talking about it. And Back on Track in itself is a hope builder.

Like I don't even know if hope builder is a word, but Back on Track I think goes so much further hope builder is a word, but back on track, I think goes so much further than the physical, like the food, the water, the sleeping, the movement, that's a physical, but, you know, we've heard from so many of our members that they've, they have, you know, in the past they've, they've slid backwards or they've slid into some old habits and they didn't know what to do next. What do I do? How do I get myself, you know, back on track essentially. And they just let themselves continue to spiral. But now we have this tool of back on track that is here. This is your, this is building confidence.

And even though it's a tool in itself, it's helping you build confidence and trust and calmness that you're going to be able to pull yourself out of whatever you're in, because you have a place to go. You have something as your foundation, as your pathway to help you move forward. So, you know, you don't have to maybe slip into a bad habit and be like, oh, I don't know what to do next. Here, this is what you do next. You know, you have that. It is a calming place and it is, you know, something that's going to help pull you out. We should really call it BTFYB, BT, back to feeling your best. It's really interesting because I've noticed a couple comments in the weight loss program back on track made them feel less than calm. I don't know what,

like in all my program years, I've never, like, I don't know what is in the water, what's going on in that weight loss program of yours, Kim. But people were almost like looking at back on track as permission. Like, oh, you're telling me I can just go off the rails or you giving me back on track is making me feel less confident. Like someone actually said, this introduction of back on track has made me feel less confident. Like someone actually said, this introduction of back on track has made me feel less confident. I'm like, what the actual F is happening here? So it's interesting that you say that in the maintenance group, it brings a sense of calm. It's like a backup plan. It's a way to help yourself when you're just like, it's a plan for, I feel like garbage because of X, Y, Z happening in my life. it's almost like a plan like yes what to eat and

when but also along with that let me get a handle on my stress let me get a start going for a walk let me get back on my supplements let me it's a more of a holistic i think there's a more of a holistic meaning in maintenance um compared to how people are internalizing it. I'm like, they might not get back on track again in the weight loss programming and take it away. Yeah. You know, I've been pretty open that I don't spend a lot of time in the weight loss

group anymore. I'm in there a couple of times a week. I see what's going on. I see who's saying stuff, but I wonder, you know, we used to talk about this as a team about these loopholes people are trying to find loopholes yes right especially if they're new to this method and

they're new to the to this way of of trying to to lose weight they still want to find those loopholes and maybe back there now they're seeing back on track as a as a loophole rather than as a tool to help them like oh well I can just do this. I can, you know, eat like an asshole on the weekend and I can just use back on track to get myself out of it. Well, and I think that's definitely part of the mental struggle that is the second round for a lot of people. And I think we do a lot of people in the weight loss group that are in their second round of the program. And I remember falling into this trap in my second round as well, is that once you realize, once you've been introduced to back on track and you realize that Gina is right, if I go off the rails, I just need to get my shit together

with a couple of days with back on track and my weight's going to go back down I'm going to be feeling good everything's going to be good so you go into that not maybe being as hardcore because you're like well I just need to go back on track afterwards but then we did have one person kind of comment on Monday in the group that like I feel like I've spent every single Monday going back on track because I know nothing can happen. I can do in a weekend is going to make me gain actual weight. Then I go back on track on Monday, nothing on the weekend that I do can't be undone. I'm going to go back on track. And I do think there's a certain amount, but that's part of you doing the work. And it is a loophole because we know better than that.

We know that continuing to take one step forward and two steps back is not going to get you to where you want to go. But it's almost like they think that back on track is, well, you told me I could eat whatever the fuck I wanted. All I needed to do was go back on track and I'd still lose weight. Yes. Just because you have a backup parachute doesn't mean that you don't use their main parachute. Right. I don't know if that's a good analogy or not, but I think loopholes is right. I think loopholes is right. People look for a loophole. But they've been taught this by the diet industry. How can I have my cake and eat it too? Right. When can I have my cheat day? When can I have my treats? When can I have this? You know, Oh, I have, here's my loophole. Yeah. I mean the same thing, like back on track is like the setup for maintenance, um, as is personalized, the plan, the setup for maintenance it's, you know, but yeah, I think people are looking for, I think a couple of

things are happening. They look for a loophole. Um, they look at it as an invitation to indulge and it's, it's not an invitation to indulge. I also think it's trust issues. I think people don't, as we know, we know it from this maintenance group that once you can kick ass and lose your weight, but now you've got to trust that you're going to be able to continue to make the choices you need to make to maintain your weight. And we know, so I think this is trust also rearing its head that people maybe are not aware of that. They just don't trust themselves. Here's Judy. I found back on track. What Judy, where'd that go? That disappeared. I know I just disappeared for me too. Here's Judy. I found back on track. What Judy, where'd that go? No,

disappeared. I know I just disappeared for me too. I saw that. Judy, where's your comment? Where'd your comment go? Bring that back. I think this is trust. This, this is a trust issue with people too. Well, and I think it's a very much goes back to old diet dialogue where you're either on your diet or you're off your diet. There either go like off the rails or off the wagon or you're on and it is very in a lot of programs and a lot of diets it's very black and white it's either you're yeah we're doing it you're following 100 or you might as well not be doing anything at all and that's so much the difference of this program is that it's okay if, oh, Judy deleted it because she said indulgences. Well, retype it, Judy, bring it back.

TikTok, we're waiting. Yeah. I think that's where it is, is they don't see that there's a, like, to your point, you don't want to use that backup parachute. You only need that in an emergency and back on track. Isn't meant to be like, I'm going to have that indulgence. I'm going to choose to have this. And then, Oh, I need to get back at it and start from square one. Again, it's a way to have you feeling a little bit better if you made that choice. And in maintenance, it depends on where you're at too. Right.

Cause we're bringing this up. If you are solidifying your weights, you really want to minimize any indulgences, but life happens. And just in case you do, you have that back on track in your back pocket. And then there's people who've been maintaining for years and they pull it back on track whenever they need it. So I think it's not the issue with back on track itself. It's our own internal personal interpretation of why we would need it. I think maybe it's what we have an issue with. Here's, first of all, here's, here's, here's Kim.

I feel so strongly about the way the program has given me the tools, mindset, and resiliency to overcome anything life throws at me that I got a finally in forever tattoo. And it reminds me every day that I am strong and I can do this at our next community convention. We need to have a tattoo person there. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Definitely need a tattoo booth there. I agree. A tattoo person and a kissing booth for Tony.

He just looked at me like this. I couldn't believe people. They're so everybody wanted to see Tony. I was like, Tony, so popular. Well, Tony was a big part. I, you know, I was thinking last night, I miss the days where, when Tony was doing the program,

he was obsessed almost with the program. He was in there. I mean, he still is there, but he would read every single comment. He knew everybody's names. He used to watch my live while I was literally lying in bed beside him. I'm like, gone are the days that

I kind of miss it a little bit because he doesn't do that anymore. Um, but he became a huge, he on his own became a huge member of the community. Um, I think we're part of that. That's where part of that comes from is, you know, he's a, he's a loser through and through he's like he's like loser he's the number one loser he's my number one loser you're my one number one you're my number one loser babes did i do that right i always mess it up i don't know how to yeah i don't know how to do it yeah you're good i'm always like i do this that's not it anyways um okay wait judy's back judy's back okay judy's back uh back on track does me does allow me to travel calmly because i can stay mostly on plan or indulge you can say indulge

um but also enjoy some good indulgences that i can't get at home i mean that's it you want to lose your weight in a way where you can enjoy or indulge in all the yummy bites a bit that life has to offer. And back on track is like, okay, that was fun. I indulged. I enjoyed that because it's a conscious choice. I, okay, now it's time to rein it in. It's now time. It's time to rein it in. Right. Like, um, I remember in my travel and i always tell the story my favorite pasta place it sounds so privileged and snooty but my favorite pasta place is in rome it's the julia roberts restaurant where they're all sitting outside

eat pray love and they're she's ordering the food and italian and whatever and tony took me there the very first time we were in rome and i this pasta. It's so simple. It's just like cheese and truffles and that's it. And I've been trying to find it, a replica of it somewhere since it just doesn't exist. And so then the next time I was able to go to Rome and we took my mom there for her birthday, I was just like, I'm going to order 10 orders of this. And I already knew, and I didn't care. I was past full shoveling it in, ordering more, get me another plate, uh, full on knowing I'm eating way too much, but I went there for that. And so it's just good to know that once you, you know, you, and I enjoyed it, I indulged, I enjoyed it. I would do it again. I want to do it right now,

the second, um, and you know, probably do it again in the future, hopefully one day. But that's what we want in life is to be like, wow, that was worth it. I love that. When in Rome, Jodi. So go ahead, Kim. I was going to say, and I'm thankful that Jodi brought that back because I think that is what she said is exactly the difference between the people that are not quite there yet. And those of us, there's a higher percentage of them in the maintenance group that are there and it's that calm. So people that are there understand that calmness around food, that back on track, I'm feeling calm. I'm making those choices. And I know when I make those

choices, when I'm in Rome and I'm eating the pasta, I'm not worried about it because I know exactly what I'm going to do when I get home. If I'm not feeling well, whereas the people in the weight loss group are, they don't have that confidence yet because they haven't seen it. They haven't been to Rome. They haven't done the traveling. Like we've got a lot of people coming back from vacation right now that are like, I couldn't believe it. I ate all the things for a week and my scale was only up a pound and I'm already back down two pounds. Like they haven't seen that. They need to see that a couple of times to really feel that calmness. And that's when that click in with back on track being a tool versus being a loophole probably comes into play. Yeah. Listen to Valerie.

She just said, Gina, I was in Rome a week ago. Oh my God. Yes. First trip where I enjoyed with no guilt. Yeah. Just proving your point right there, Kim. Yeah. Boom. That's it. Are we done here? That's it. Valerie just said it. It's rough planning our trips to Rome. We're going to do the next trade show. Rome. Is there a women's show in Rome? Is there a women's show in Rome? I think, Toni, there there a women's show in Rome? Yeah, I think there is a women's show. I think, Toni, there's a women's show in Rome. I'd go to any show. It doesn't matter what it is.

A show in Rome. You know, I think our next show, and I know we still talked about our cruise, which is still on the roadmap somewhere. We just want to do it right. There's a lot of logistics involved in doing it right. But I definitely want, I think our next kind of get together is actually create our own member get together where we are, we're curating it. We are, you know, it's our events. And, you know,

we've been at other people's events the last couple of times. And I think our members, like we shine through and I think we deserve our own event in Rome. From now on, everything we say ends in in Rome. And anyway, we got a cruise ship that stops in Rome. Exactly. You got it. Speaking of Jodi, who I know who's doing that behind the scenes, I hear next week, you're going to invite the men. Yeah. So, so so it is we know it's national um was national men's health day yesterday but no november is always known as movember so we really want to spotlight men's health and take the stigma away of men talking about and taking care of themselves and having to have this you know for lack of a of a better term, macho feeling of I'm fine,

I'm fine, and not being able to talk about wanting to lose weight or wanting to be healthy outside of having big muscles. So I want to have I want to have the team on to give their perspective to talk about it. And to talk about we weren't going to tell Brandon, though, and we were just going to surprise it. And I am the worst. I am the worst. I just blah, blah, blah. So can I just tell you something about men? Somebody sent, a friend of mine sent me this statistic and I actually will share it with you. And it was really interesting. And it was talking about obesity rates and was talking about how prevalent obesity is and where it's headed in the next like 50 years. And it showed a graph of women ages 15 to 25,

and then over 25, 25 and older. And they did the same with men. And so that you show the country or whatever, and you can see as 15 years, 15 to 20, 25 years, the obesity rates in young women starting to pop up. It's very prevalent. You're starting to see it. But when you look at obesity rates in boys, I guess, ages 15 to 25, almost non-existent, almost non-existent. Yet when you fast forward and you look at the same maps, men, like it's color coded. So obesity rates in red, the whole map is red for men. And yet women, there's a bit of an increase, but it seems like men go from like no weight issues to like extreme issues in obesity. And I wonder what's happening there because I know women start diets earlier, right? And maybe they spend their years dieting.

So they're somewhat keeping it out there. But men almost go from nothing to over, you know, the age of 25 and older. Like it's alarming what's happening with men. There's something there. There's something there. Yeah. And I think, I don't know, and this is total speculation, but I think it could have a little bit to do with community.

I mean, how many of us, even as examples, or know people around us where we get together with their girlfriends and we talk about, oh, I've got to be healthier. I've got to eat healthier. I've got to do this. I've got to do that. And I don't know, you know, and I think of, again, personal experience, my husband and his guy friends, I don't see them sitting around having those conversations. Like, you know, guys, I've really got to take better care of myself. And I have to start doing this. And maybe it is that community piece that's missing. Maybe it's that support piece that's missing. That's a big maybe. But you know, that could be part of it that it's just not part of that conversation, or it's not a normal part of their, their conversation. So, yeah, I, yeah, I would love to have them on with us next week. I know they joined us last year in November as well. We talked a little bit more about men's mental health because those,

those statistics are, are alarming as well, but yeah, to have them on and have a conversation and hear from them and, and, um, yeah, have them give them our, their perspective, I think would be a lot of fun. Put some fun in it. Yeah. Love it. Um, okay. We got to go. Can you go to a mall? No, we can't go to a mall and do a, we get kicked out. We almost got kicked out of the women's show and they invited us for crying out loud. Yeah. You have that effect.

We told them we're going to need space. We're going to be blocking up the hallway. And then whenever they're like, don't worry about it. It's fine. Then, then they're like, when we're blocking,

you can't block the highway, the hallway. I'm like, we told you, um, no, we would get kicked out of a mall. I see men that are openly talking openly, but much later in life. Yeah. And I think my experience with helping men is they think about it just as much.

They want it. They think about it. They just maybe don't articulate it or don't have the opportunity. Maybe it's along that men don't cry. Men don't complain it or don't have the opportunity. Maybe it's along that men don't cry. Men don't complain about their weight. It's that maybe they're, they cover it up with, we cover it up with body positivity. They cover it up with macho madness. I, I, I don't know, obviously. Um, in fact, I'm, I'm looking into the weight loss program and I used to have posts specifically for men and I took them out because I was like well the program works really well for men what

is there to say but I'm going to add them back in um in the new year for sure it's like that inclusivity conversation is is is like it's it's uh trying to navigate that conversation include everybody in the conversation um but yeah I gotta figure out how to do that better yeah Risa we'll get we get kicked out of a mall. There's no way we'd... They would probably call the cops on us. Yeah. A mob scene.

They'd call the fire department and hose us all out of there. I thought about doing a meet and greet at Tanya. You know, Tanya Gelsomino. She has her Yaya store. And I've been wanting to do that. Every time I even remotely mention it, people get upset because she doesn't carry the most inclusive sizing. She does online. And I know why she does it.

This is a whole other conversation because unless you're known as a plus size store, you aren't necessarily going to have people shopping plus sizes in your store and carrying that extra. I mean, it's hard. Everyone's struggling right now financially. And, and some of these places, I'm not, I'm not saying that she is, but trying to keep like even us in our merchandise, we were trying to like be mindful of our budget with merchandise and what sizes do we carry? So we had like three XL, we had some smalls, but like how many people need XXL? How many people need smalls? It turns out we sold a lot of mediums. I would never have guessed that. Right. And so whenever I thought

about doing it, a meet and greet, and I feel like I would do the same if I did a meet and greet at a plus size store, a lot of people would be like, well, I don't need plus size anymore. So it just seems like whenever I try to try to do something like that, it just people complain on other side. Because the plus size stores don't sell smaller sizes. And then you have the regular size doesn't sell the plus size. And so that's why I've never done it. I thought it'd be super fun. But every time I do it, someone complains. So I just am like that. Everybody will be happy. Tony's like, let's do it on a golf course. Tony's like, let's do it on a golf course. We would definitely get kicked off a golf course. I don't know what he's thinking. Unless we booked the entire course for just us, we would get kicked out. Yeah. That's what we'd have to do. We had to book the whole place just

for us. Um, okay. We got to go now. We're over time. Yeah. We are over time. Did you have topics for us to discuss? I don't know. We did. I wanted to talk about the women's show and that feeling of community. And we did, I wanted to talk about back on track and how we're using it and maintenance, how it's a little bit different. We touched on that. So it's perfect. And then all the other fun stuff in the middle. It's great.

Okay. Amazing. So gang check. We did it. Love us. Love us. Love us. Yes. And middle. It's great. Okay. Amazing. So gang check. We did it. Love us. Love us. Love us. Yes. And then next course in Rome. Yes. Yes. I, they have them there. I'm sure. Look now Tony's like, yeah, we got the go ahead. Mental. Oh, I get it. Okay. Yes. Uh, golf. You just add golf at the end of it tony's in for sure i hear as we said there are more stories that carry both these days yes there are there are more stores but will those stores um you know give us discounts and host 300 people in their store that's a whole other story yeah that's a whole fire hazard that's a whole fire rental hall you're reese is our new event planner um thanks

everyone for joining us uh live those of you join us thanks ladies always a pleasure to chat again i'm just i'm in love with our members and especially the conversation here in this maintenance group um that's always a pleasure yeah love it we'll see you next week. See you next time. Bye.