The Livy Method Podcast - Next Steps with Dr. Beverley, Dr. Deena, and Dr. Olinca - Fall 2025

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

In this episode, Gina brings together the dream team—Dr. Beverley, Dr. Olinca, and Dr. Deena—for a raw and reflective conversation that meets Livy members exactly where they are: the final week of The Program. With compassion and a bit of humour, the panel opens up about the swirl of feelings that tend to surface at the end—pride, regret, fear, excitement—and why they’re all valid. From letting go of perfection to coaching your future self, this episode is a powerful reminder that your journey is about so much more than weight loss; it’s about showing up for yourself, again and again.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodfall2025Contact info:Dr. Beverley David:IG - @drdrbeverleywww.yourpsychologycentre.caDr. Deena Kara Shaffer:IG - @awakenedlearningwww.awakenedlearning.caBooks - Feel Good Learning, Raising Well LearnersDr. Olinca Trejo, ND:IG - dr.olincaemail - [e-mail] learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy, and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams for my 91-day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews, and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on ACAST, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon Music.

We're focusing on sustainable habits, not quick-fixing. Is it an opportunity to get curious? We're here to help people get to their health goals. One piece each at a time. You build and build and build and build. Hi, I was going to do this big intro, but then. normally we're all like chatting so i'm like i'll just wait um so the bod squad is here and i was thinking about you guys obviously that means dr beverly dr olinka and dr dina but then more than that i was

thinking like okay so uh dr beverly you deal with the mind stuff the mental part dr olinka deals with what's going on in your body and dr dina helps us unlearn and relearn and help us with all of our life stuff you really are the dream team just saying good morning well What's a dream for be here, Gina? Good morning. I was good. I was good. Like, she liked that segue.

Yeah, 100%. I was like, that was good. I felt that. I felt that. I wonder how many of us rushed and rushed and rushed around all morning and now we all look calm. Like, you know, big stuff, isn't it? It's like, and I wonder how many of your members do the same. We're just like, doing it.

I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Yeah. My hair is still wet. I was jumped in the shower last minute. I was like, oh, God, I got to have a shower. And so my hair is still wet. And yeah, we're never, we're never really ready. Should we start there? We're never really ready. So here we are. I mean, you all have been with us for a while. You know the feels at this point, right? So we're the last week of the program. People are reflecting on their journey. A lot of people like, oh, I wish I would did this or I didn't do that. Other people are excited and they're celebrating. People are nervous about the break in between the program. they're wondering how do they restart it all in January. So anyone with any idea on where to start here or anyone with any place they'd like to start here? Oh,

me. I was trying to, I was trying to do the teacher thing and like, okay, 10 breaths and wait. But I couldn't. I made it to one and a half. I'm so sorry.

I'm so excited. I like you all so much and I love this community. Hi. It's so good to be here. What's your question? Okay, where do we, okay, where do we still have a feels? Is there a universal conversation for everyone, people who felt like they crushed it, people who feel like they maybe drop the ball?

You know, it's, it's a lot to still be here. And I've been saying that. It seems like it's, God, like we know the work that people are putting into this. Do they know the work that they're putting into this? Like, um, talk about the feels that people have, maybe, or the feels they should have. I mean, I kind of want to talk about that word universal, but okay. So I guess I would just say if you ask, is there a universal feeling? I wouldn't want to collapse the tens of thousands of people with their beautiful, idiosyncratic, interesting individual lives. So I don't know about universal, but I imagine that there's a lot of overlaps. There's a lot of sharedness. And so I can imagine that there are many folks who are Like, there's a lot to celebrate. And then I also can imagine there are a lot of folks who are having some moments of

self-criticism. Yes. And I think that it's those two pieces that are going to be alive in some proportion and how normal, because we came with a lot of excitement, turns out that there is, it's not effort like hard arduous, it's effort like deep unraveling, self-inquiry, getting curious about your wise and your howcomes. And so it is so normal to have feelings like a bit triumphant, I made it, a bit kind of not doubtful, but like, oh, man, maybe I didn't, maybe I didn't do it the way I thought

or intended. And then also some fear. What am I going to do? What am I going to do when this is over and the structure falls away? And I just feel like in each of those, all of that feedback, feeling for me is feedback. feelings for me as invitation to do that inner work of like, ooh, what's here, what's alive, what's top of mind and top of heart? So when you said like what what should people do, the thing that I kind of want to encourage people used to have people like you could have a

personal Instagram that no one else sees and you would sometimes encourage people to do that. I wonder if people could make a video of themselves today and say what are you proud of that if you're going to come back in January that you want to be sure to recreate. And if there's a bit of soreness, if there's a tender spot of like, oh, man, say it to yourself, because there's going to come a week next time. It's going to come back for you. This isn't the only time to face it. Yeah.

When it comes back for you, how can you be your own coach? And so it could be your advice to yourself. What does your now self want to say to your two months from now self that only you can say because you are very, very inspiring, Gina, and that person is still going to go home and have some kind of habit or some kind of routine or some kind of loop and they have to face themselves. So can we lovingly coach ourselves, our now self right now? What do you want to for sure do again? What are you so proud of? What do you want to keep alive? Because the holidays is going to like kind of mess with it a little bit. It's like a change of routine. Yeah. And what do you want

to remind yourself of like when it gets hard, when it gets scared? When it gets scared. when it gets full of doubt, when you're not sure if you can do it, what does your now self want to remind yourself that the self that's two months away from now? Love that. And that's a great place to start. I don't know where to go. Are we done, ladies?

Do we just call it a day now? Do the pool party. God, like, what is? Well, I mean, Alenka, you must see this a lot in your practice. People try really hard to make a difference in their health and wellness. And there are setbacks in life. and you know like there's so much that goes on and you know like it's still still trying and not giving up on yourself is still you know there's value in that and then for people who are celebrating

sometimes there's self doubt their self sabotage that creeps in like the closer they get to their goal they actually lay off and pull back I get this all the time when I'm working with personal clients I'm like okay things are starting to happen and then oh they didn't do this or didn't do that I'm like oh my goodness you you got to this point and And so what say you about where people are at or how they might be feeling? Yeah, I think, you know, I think I always go back to trying to refocus on the fact that we are here because we're trying to focus on our health and take care of our, like take care of our health because we matter. And while the weight matters, weight is not really a measurement of your overall health, right? And so I have so many patients that come in and they're like, oh, but the scale didn't move or this didn't move.

And I'm the person that tries to help them still celebrate the fact that they are still here. Yeah. And that this is a lifestyle, like a lifestyle transformation, right? And this isn't a short-term diet that's going to give you short-term results. This is rewiring how you think, how you feel, and how you act around your health. And so the hard thing with that is that then you actually then have to celebrate your progress and stop measuring yourself against these shortcomings, right? Because there's always going to be things that you wish you did more or that you were like,

but I didn't do this or I didn't do that. And so shifting that perspective to what is also true and saying, but you still were the person that showed up when it was hard, right? And maybe the weight didn't shift, but it's also true that your sleep is better. in trying to shift that perspective because I know that most people are here because they want the scale to move. I fully understand that.

But we, I think that we're changing lives here and I think that that's extraordinary. And I think that there's so much more that shows that for people that's not just about the scale if they just refocus the shift away from that number and into who they are now versus how they started

and how their identity actually changed into somebody that wants change, that wants more energy, that wants a better life for themselves, that wants to feel healthier and more vibrant and all of these things, right? And you always talk about, like, you know, sometimes change takes so long to happen. And that's why we're trying to get you to enjoy the journey. And sometimes it happens all at once. And, you know, and I think that that's where I find this, like, friction that Dina always talks about and this frustration with people that are like, oh, but I expected me to do A and then the scale to do B. And it's like, oh, yeah, progress is not linear though.

And so once you, I think, understand and really sit down with those concepts and say like, okay, like what Dina said, right? Like what are we going to show up with what is going to be our attitude? What's going to be all of this in our next program? Because this is a journey, right? And if you're here for the first time and you got to your goal and you change your life and like you're good to go and you're like, I. I will never look at screens before bed and I will never, like, good for you.

We love those unicorns. But the truth is that like, exactly. Like, please, like, it must be amazing to be God's favorite child. But for most of us, it's a journey and it's a transformation that takes change, right? And like showing up with a different perspective so that we don't have unfair expectations because you can't change your reality with a normal mentality. Right? we always talk about that, but it's also the fact that you, like this takes effort like Dina was

saying, right? Like this isn't maintenance and change takes effort. And so you just have to redirect often your effort and not, I think, just hone in on like the one thing, the one thing that you think matters because everything that you do every single day, as little as it may seem, that's actually what matters. And that's what transforms people and creates change. why do we why do we focus Dr. Pia on that scale? Why is that our soul focus

our measure of success our measure of our worthiness? Like we know it's just a hunk of fricking metal on the ground and yet it can dictate how we feel all day, all week, all month,

all year for a big chunk of our lives. What? Why? It's like anything, it's, it's a value. do we place on something, you know, there's many, many people that can walk past a weighing scale and not think anything about it. And then there's going to be a part of the population that sees

a way and scale and it means much more. It's very emotionally heavy. And we know that when in the world of psychology, something has touched us or bothered us or become part of our story, we move through the world differently and we will notice things like that so we know that if people are preoccupied with their weight or preoccupied maybe with food and their appearance and their external image they're probably going to be way more likely to have a physiological and a psychological reaction to a weighing scale or even the you know the idea of oh you're going to come in for a medical and we're going to weigh you, that's going to create for many people, a physiological panic because it has come to be associated with something negative or some story, some

schema that has been created for them. Whereas people that haven't had that infliction or that weight to carry, that's, pardon the plan, I didn't mean it that way, but if they haven't had to carry that story through their life, that is just a piece of metal. Okay. And then the difficulty is the more we peer that thing with the feeling, classical conditioning, you know, every time we go on to this thing and we feel a, oh, you know, if we peer it and we peer it, then that object now actually creates disappointment and creates anxiety and creates a physiological horrible feeling. And that's so classically conditioned that it isn't in our control. It's like, you know, if I go to my dog's drawer, the food drawer, he's going to salivate at the anticipation of food. That's Pavlov's conditioning. He knows if I'm going towards his lead, we're going for a walk. It's physical.

He doesn't tell his tail to wag. And just like when we see that weight in scale or we think about, what am I going to eat this morning, it can create that physiological feeling of anxiety or worry or dread or despair. and hopefully I'm hoping that through the program we're nearly there for this program that I hope for many the relationship has started to change with the weighing scale that they're starting to extinguish and that's that word extinguish the conditioning with this device is a negative thing this device is a cause of pain and distress and discomfort I want it hopefully to be just something that tells you how are you doing, what you're doing today and to know that these micro measurements, you know, just like Alenka said, it's not linear.

So we want to know, actually, that doesn't mean much. We want to look at it after one month or two months or three months and see, let's look at these trends. Let's see how I trend instead of how I just am on that day. Can I add one thing? I'm so moved, Dr. B, what you're saying, and I'm thinking about my students. So, you know, I'm in the teaching and education world. And it's not dissimilar from students and grades. And that if a student gets a C or a D, it can feel devastating, right? Whether they're in grade seven or whether they're at post-secondary. And it just has me thinking. that we don't often get to determine our own success metrics. And that scale is often one of the few ways that are given to us. Like, how much money do you make? What's the title of your profession?

What did you do in school? Like, there are these weird metrics that are given to us, like imposed on us. And you, along the way from day one, Gina, are asking us to determine our own success metrics. So to Dr. Linka's point, how well are you sleeping? We don't usually think about that as like a measure of success, but you're saying, no, no, no, wait, that actually is going to matter more. It's going to help you with the scale going, but it's going to matter more in terms of how are you than that piece of metal that you step on. And so it's the same with my students that a success metric might be, are you attending class every day this semester? because before you were skipping a third of classes,

are you able to raise your hand and actually contribute your voice and your ideas once a week? That can be a success metric, but it's never spoken about because we just look at the grade. And so if that weight is like a grade, but you're saying, wait a minute, are you checking in with your community? Are you moving your body in ways that feel good?

You're changing and inviting us to say, what are your personal metrics of success? Oh, I love that. I love that. I love that. And that's, you know, that's going deeper.

I'm into this thing about having deeper conversations these days. I think everyone's like caught on to authentic, but now feel so surfacy, right? And like, what's the conversation? What's the conversation beneath? So beyond the why, right? Like your why is like,

okay, I want to be healthier. Well, okay, well, then what does health? your mean to you, why is that important? Well, I want to wake up every day and, you know, have good energy and not dread my life and want to drink wine at not an a.m. Why is that important? Well, because, you know, I'm getting older and I want to travel or, you know, my children are having grandchildren. I want to have the energy to play with them so deeper because we all have to think about our why, but we don't take a minute to determine our success metrics. And

everyone starts out with the same success metric, which is I have my why, but what determines my success is that number on the scale. Woo! Very triggering, isn't it? Because I'm listening. And my brain goes to so many things because I am that student that would struggle. And the C, when I got the C, I was so ecstatic because that was my A. You know, I finally got it.

But then my brain also flipped to a, this is called like a floating back in time or it. to the moment I hated the weighing scale. I remembered it. And I was probably, I wasn't out of elementary, so I was 10 because we go to high school at 11. And we had to go on the weighing scale. And I was dreading, what if I am eight stone? We measure it in stone.

And my class, six in my class, girls, six girls. There were 12 in total, and there's just six girls and then the boys. But the panic to be, what if I am eight stone, because where did I, where did I find that number? Why did that number determine if I'm pretty or if I'm little or little means success or and it, oh, even now, I'm 46, I think, I can't remember, but physically is a terrible memory to just have remembered. Yeah.

And I used to think, how can I not stand on it properly? How, how when I have to be measured at school, can I? make myself lighter. And even now, you know, if I go to the doctors, I still take off my shoes. I've had a wee. So it's still very deep, deeply ingrained, even though my left brain, my logical linear detective, you know, Sherlock Homebrains knows better. My emotional brain still holds a lot.

Well, I think that's it. I think everyone listening right now knows better than to let the scale dictate. It is just a hunk of metal, but that doesn't stop the feels from. coming right the minute they get on it what I suggested to people start doing is to try to guess your number before you get on it and it gives you an opportunity to be like okay I think it's going to be up why do I think it's going to be up okay well I had a crappy sleep last night I worked out my body is sore so there's time to actually process why it might be up and what's going on before they get on it they see that number and then they can't even go there they're just it's not

so rarely does the scale give us a number that we actually want to see see um okay so i want to talk about i want to talk about that's a lot that's a that's a lot for us to kind of um reflect on um we have this break coming up and people are a bit nervous because what i love about the program is all the structure and routine um but people are going to be going off routine one especially throughout the holidays which can be busy and two they feel like if they are left up on their own maybe they don't trust or maybe they're unsure the choices that they're going to make. I know how much work they've done.

If they're still here, they're going to do just great, they always do. But, you know, people's feels are valid, right? So what do we do with that? Any advice as our members start to wind down this week and start thinking about the time in between now and the next program? First of all, right back to the beginning of our talk today, always write it down. everybody knows I draw straight away. So I always write it down to think, okay, while we've all been talking already,

catch the feelings if you can and really, really dig into the emotions. What are you feeling? Are you feeling nervous? Are you feeling excited? Are you feeling dread? Are you feeling shame or get, what do you actually feeling? And then ask yourself again, what am I really feeling? What's underneath the feelings?

burrow down, then give yourself a little bit of time to think, what am I thinking? Am I thinking something that Gina might have just said, you know, oh, it's going to, you know, the routine won't be the same, and that's right, and that's okay. You know, we want to be aiming for flexibility, not rigidity. But notice what's the thought, but I need, Gina, I need to see her every day. And if I can't, I won't be able to. So catch the thoughts and then decide how you're going to act. That's the bottom part.

That's that six o'clock of the clock. And then start thinking, what can I do? Yes, there's going to be a break. How can we talk to ourselves with a positivity about it? How would we want to like Dina was saying, turn up next week and the week after? Do we want to say, let's give this a go? This is time to see how this flows. this is a time to see what I've learned.

This is also a time to be very aware to see if we feel, because feelings are information. It's your body communicating to you. This is hard or this is easier than I thought. And then think about packing for a holiday. This is a little bit, we're about to go on a Christmas holiday or whatever it is. You can't fit everything in your suitcase to take with you. You can't fit all your tools.

and all your tricks and everything in that suitcase, especially if you only have carry on. So just pick some important items from this, this 91 days. What are your non-negotiable items, okay, like your knickers or whatever you need to put in there, but this is maybe hydration or sleep or my morning breakfast. Like, what are my non-negotiables going in that suitcase? Because we can't carry it all,

but what's the important bit that? you want to travel with, whether you're traveling or not. You understand the metaphor. Love that. Yeah, I think I love a good visual. And because I saw someone saying earlier on, I tried all the things and, you know, I got to just focus on where I am now. It's not about doing more and more and more. It's figuring out where you're at right now and what you need. What are the essentials? What are the essentials that you're going to need to utilize during the holidays love that all right great too i you know what i would invite people to do is to take the holidays to lead with intention and not with impulse who because i think that isn't that what the holidays are

for it's impulsive is the impulsivity eat all the things do all the things last Friday um but listen like i think i think that learning to pause before you react, learning to eat with awareness, learning to move with purpose. This is actually how we're rewiring the habits, right? And just because you're losing the structure, you don't have to lose the habits that you've created, like the habits that we put into that little suitcase. Because I think that most of us, because most of us have this idea of success that's rooted in perfectionism, right, rather than excellence, which we always talk about we which is actually rooted even deeper in diet culture if we talk about you know going deeper and

deeper right because diet culture tells you if you're not doing it 100% perfect this is good enough right the problem is that then the impulse with that through the holidays is oh shoot if i go off plant i might as well quit or you know what i went off plan today so i'm just going to start on monday or i'm just going to wait until the next program because like i just i'm just going to enjoy the holidays. We're not, and I think that you can can really lead with intention through that, right, and not with that, I guess, fear of failure that then leads you to also give up on your goals and your habits and the structure and everything that you've worked really hard to create for the last 90 days. And so I always say, like, just don't, don't quit when you go off plan

because that's the only thing that guarantees failure. And the, only way to fail is if you actually quit, right? And so if you quit, then you think that, okay, then on Monday, I have to start all over. Or when Gina starts in January, like, that's when I'll start all over and I'll like start drinking my water again or I'll refocus in my sleep or I won't drink the wine or I won't do this. And I think that the idea of you have to start all over not only is rooted in that, like if you don't do it perfect, it doesn't matter. but it also alludes to the fact that if you are not doing it perfectly, then you're actually moving backwards and you're never really starting from scratch

because it's evolving and we're just moving forward, right? And so this is your chance to take off the train and wheels and be like, okay, like what can I do on my own? And perhaps this is also a chance for you to write down like Dr. B says, like the things that it's like, okay, this is where I struggled with when I was like, like not listening to Gina and the lives in my community so that you can come back in January, not to start from scratch, but to start from that point so that you can learn and grow from there, right? And that's not quitting. That's evolving. Yeah, I, um, it's, it's kind of like we got in the car and we're going to, we're all going to Disneyland, let's say, right? And we all get

and, you know, some people driving sports cars and beat up cars. And we all start from wherever we live. So some people live closer. Some people are a little far away. Some people have roadblocks and detours, right? And if you're driving along, you decide to go sightseeing great. You don't get back in your car and start at the beginning. If you're driving along, you get a flat tire.

You don't fix it and go back home. And even the holidays, it's kind of like you're driving along and you decide to stop that Christmas town and, you know, have a great time and drink all the mold wine. and eat all the food and whatever and then decide okay i'm never because i stopped at christmastown i had so much fun i'm never going to get to my destination so i might will just drive back home and start again that's not how it is it's not how it is um i saw i just got sidetrack there i saw someone's comment and they were like well i'm going to try it on my own and i've been doing this program for you know a couple years now and i feel like i can just do it on my own and i love that for

people but sometimes there is this sense of people feel like like I'm like why my why would you do like why do you still wait to lose why why would you do it on your own um like there's a lot you can you can if you want to be more independent and do less fine but I think sometimes women have a limit on how much time they can spend on themselves how much time they try something and almost need permission to like it's okay to continue to work on yourself it's okay to do this for yourself Do you find that? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's the invitation to remember to foreground yourself in your own life.

We do, right? So we, and all the plates we're spinning, how many of them are our own plates, of all the balls that we're juggling, how many of them are ours? I don't even have mine up in the air. I'm looking at me like, yeah. Gina, I want to answer your other question because I took notes for it. Okay, go ahead. I forget what the question.

But how about you, Gina? I don't remember either, but I, I, I learned a lot from, from Dr. Breville. I wanted notes to my name. Can I share my notes? You go right ahead. Oh, I think it was the last question. How do people navigate the holidays? So, because I'm a strategist, it's always like around the actionable for me, you know? And so one is, because I've done this program. Yeah. And the number one is, oh, oh, yeah, and it's three. I'm like, think like a Dr. Beverly. So I got three R. I know, right? I want, I just, I love that. Here we go. They're not going to be like Dr. Beverly level, but they're going to be okay.

You're going to be all right. Okay, I'm ready. Well, there's a lot of pressure. I shouldn't have asked to do this. Number one, recreate what works. So if the food plan is working for you, then just keep doing that. You can re-listen to Gina. Like, you have all those podcasts.

He's like, I'm going to go from my walk. is not going to be live, it's going to feel live. Yeah. Well, number one, recreate what works. Keep doing the program. Right? It works. Number two, reflect.

If it's when the structure goes away, but that's when the big feels come alive, then they come for you, the doubts. Well, that's the feedback. That's the richest stuff. Because the structure is often going to go away in our lives. When someone gets sick and our daily routine is off. When we switch jobs, lose jobs, like, that's actually the whole point. If we always, every day had Gina to coach us through what to do and when,

well, that's beautiful. We're not actually preparing for the ideal times. We're preparing for when it's a little bit tougher. And so this is that opportunity to have two, three, four weeks where we gently go, okay, so when the structure goes away, then what? So do we bring in the non-negotiables to Dr. Beverly's point? Do we bring in, I'm going to watch my all or nothing? And I'm going to aim for like the golden mean here, like Dr. Olink is saying, like some is better than none.

So recreate, reflect. And then I want to suggest reimagine. Could you reimagine your healthiest holiday yet? Oh. Because I don't know, we like have this weird conversation of we start the holidays and it's all chaos. It's as if we've never had a holiday season. before but holidays is its own routine because like it legit comes once a year this isn't this isn't like a new surprise that it's coming right so then what what is that version look like what does health

look like during those times so this idea of like off routine it's just its own routine it's its own thing and it's not a wild frenzy it didn't come out of the blue like where'd that holiday season come from yeah and so in that way given what we know because there was a holiday season last year and there was a holiday season the year before that what was the information from those years that you want to remember plan for and hold this question of what could my healthiest holiday season look like which can include the bitter sweetness the the bereavement the grief like it's it's not one thing the holidays is not not one type of thing.

So what's your version of a healthiest holiday? I think we covered, I think, I think, I think we covered a lot of questions. And we traversed a lot, you know, like we, we, well, as we grew and I'm sorry, not sorry, um, navigate that in between space, keep momentum going, tuning into hunger cues when it's chaotic and all over the place, heading into another round. What can we do over the break to set up set ourselves up for success? And we touched on all of that. Um, before we go, there's and, you know, I don't want this to be 16 hours long, but someone said something here that was like, where did it go?

Could you imagine a 16 hour adviceathon? Yeah. We could do it for sure. You could totally do it. Actually, can we do that? That sounds so funny. I can. Someone was saying avoiding the community and routine of the program is my coping mechanisms. I totally get that. This is it. Why is it so challenging to acknowledge the current success, the current loss, whatever that might be? Do you guys struggle with that? I, you know, I was at, Last weekend, one Canada's top 100 most powerful women. I'm like, yep, but, okay, move it on. Get, get under the next.

I just, I don't know, is everybody like this? Are you guys like this? I just, you're forming a new identity. So, so now you have that. You're one of Canada's top 100 most successful, bold, badass women, and you've been seen for that. you can't not like you can't not be that anymore you could decide to do different things but like no one's going to take that away from you Gina oh that's an identity shift whoa you're a hundred pounds lighter it's an identity shift 100 that oh you're relating to yourself in a different way you have to

see your self-conception changes a student who's like wow like really failed a lot of classes I just got my first B. What are the thoughts that student? I'm never going to be able to do this again. It was a fluke. The teacher, oh my God, the teacher of the prof, they were being kind to me. I'm just going to tell you,

the teachers don't mark because they're kind. So it's an identity. That is so huge because that's what I think that's that feeling when you start something and you finish it. And with dieting, I mean, is there ever since that we've ever finished anything? Especially for measuring our success on the scale, we might reach our goal and we gain the way back. So we have failed.

We started a diet. We didn't reach our goal. So we have failed. And that's why I love the structure of these 91 day live sessions. You start and there's an end date. And that feeling, it doesn't matter what's on the scale. You did that. You started it.

You finished it. You started your weight loss journey. You can finish it. And I say we know the work that people are doing. Like you, Dr. Linka, you know internally someone spends 91 days. you know, helping their body get healthy, what can be done? People drop in their A1C, people like, making all these changes. You know, Dina, from helping people.

You put 91 days into helping a student and they, you know, they're going to see a lot of gains. And Dr. V, I can imagine, right? Like, they're actually actively taking time from how you see one person now versus three months later where they are on that subject that they were maybe having a hard time with. Maybe haven't worked through it, but they're in a different place, right? So that is so huge. Say that again. I'm not sure what you said, but say it again.

Who? I mean, like, I could listen to Dr. B and Dr. O all day. Let's get your take on this, Dr. B and Dr. O. And then it is interesting how pressure, our own pressure, changes, isn't it? When we perceive ourselves as maybe doing well or starting to succeed. or seeing change, it suddenly becomes, it's often panic as well, like, but what if that goes away now

or I am receiving comments or compliments or people are seeing this? And what if, like those what ifs, you know, we've got more almost to lose when we are now living in accordance with our, so it's really messy. It's really messy. So take time to unpack that,

to think, oh my goodness, a lot of your beliefs might be confirmed. You know, you might have thought, I'm, you know, people like me more when I am this size. And then lo and behold, people are paying you more attention. And you're like, I knew it. I knew it that they are now responding to me differently. And then unpack that whether it matters or not. It does it, does it matter? Or is the better perspective to make sure you feel good?

It doesn't, you know, their feedback, okay, it's there, but are you feeling good? Are you moving through the world in the way you want to? So you're not doing it for them. You're doing it for yourself. But it's going to bring up messiness, you know, just like the student, Dina talked about. You know, they get the B, the fear of what if I don't get it again, you know, or you get your personal best in a running time. Now all eyes are on you.

You know, you are now one of the greatest Canadian business women ever to, be, you know, it's just wonderful, but all eyes are on you. And there's part of the story of blending in and staying small that is very protective for many of us. And then we put ourselves up there. And sometimes we fear people throwing potatoes at us because people, a lot of people don't like success because there's something going on, whether they wish they could be their two, whether they are carrying their own pain point stories. But it's complicated. So spend time with your thoughts, with your emotions, with your behaviours. Remember, that's what you do as well as what you don't do. Do you withdraw? Do you hide? Do you find that attention uncomfortable? Does that

lead to a changing behaviour that we sometimes call sabotage? You know, make sure you're starting to take those pauses that Alinka was talking about, so that you pause before you move forward so that you respond instead of react, definitely use that power of intention. And I love that Dina said, imagine how you want to move through this. Power of intention. If we spent 91 days practicing talking nicely to ourselves, we don't do that. We do not practice psychology the way we practice even our, you know, what we're putting in our bodies, we need to pay attention to the scripts and start speaking kindly to ourselves, gently to us with forgiveness and start changing the story. Oh, I need to book my own therapy session with you. Something that you said

there, which was really interesting because I've been reading this thing, I think it's called Tall Poppy Syndrome or something, where women are allowed to reach a certain level of success. so women can be very supportive. But the minute we break beyond that, all of a sudden, and especially with women, and I don't know why, I would love to know why. We just don't like it.

And as much as we are championing women, you know, I was on sort of Reddit the other day because I want to learn about, you know, things. And someone's, it's like someone came on and said, she just, what about weight watchers? What about all these other companies that are so huge? She's actually a real person showing up.

Why are you holding her to a higher thing than you would these big companies? And I think, and that's, again, I'm just sharing this for sake of where I'm coming from, but if we're not supportive of other women being successful, and especially to a certain extent, like you said, Dr. Bybee, there's something there. We would also do that for ourselves, where we would have a limit on how truly successful we feel we can be. Yeah. We want to catch our thoughts because I know. I know I've had those thoughts of who do I even think I am because that's where sometimes

imposter syndrome will come in right and then we'll step back we'll think what it like but that's it's just a powerful moment to dig in and think okay where am I in my life what am I learning what are my who are my influences who do I admire who do I want to be around who are those people that help champion but also keep us grounded where we can have real talk and be vulnerable to say, I'm struggling in my success or I'm nervous about the voice I now have. Like, it's because we can't even say that. And we do get up in community to be able to say, I'm, I feel like I'm a bit alone

here, but I still need people and support and a sounding board. One of the, one of the things I've been saying to people in this weird, because I've never really talked about. We talked about people's reactions to your weight, but I was like, pay attention this holiday season to visiting friends and visiting family and some of the things that they are saying to you and some of them all have very limiting beliefs about you and won't like the fact that you changed. And, you know, like you maybe didn't understand that pressure and how you were being impacted by that now, but you now you're in a different place with that. Like pay attention and be like, oh, wow. Yeah. You know, like look at all this pressure I was dealing with. And

or, you know, I'm never going to be perfect for my family because the aunt who told me I'd be cute if I just lost weight is now, you know, telling me I'm too skinny and whatever, you know. We do have to wrap this up. Dr. Link, I'm going to leave you with the last, the last. Oh, God, close it half after these two. Okay. There's two things that I want to say because there's so many things that actually both of you, all of you brought up in me, honestly. And I think when we're talking about outwardly, I guess, empathizing and all of these things, there's a quote that I really love, and I'm going to butcher it because I think he's from Oscar Wilde, that he says it's really easy to empathize with somebody's suffering, but it's actually really hard to empathize with somebody's success. Oh.

Butchered for sure. It is a lot more eloquent the way that he writes it. But it's, and I find that really interesting where you were talking about. Tina, because I do find there's often a struggle that we have. We're like, we want to champion people, but then when they get to a certain level, we feel very uncomfortable, right, with that. And I've had that before even, you know, when you post something or you see somebody that you're like, oh, my God, I love how successful they are. But the minute that they post something, then flying on business class to a really fancy hotel, it's like, oh, my God, she's bragging.

Oh, my God, like she's doing this. And so I do. it's so interesting and I think that that's... Or wearing your skinny jeans if someone's lost weight or am now wearing a bikini when they didn't look at them. Like, yeah, showing up, like skank. And so then I think that that part of it is really important that we're talking about like that outwardly. And then inwardly as a recovering perfectionist,

you guys. One of the things that's actually really helped me understand and kind of go in deeper was learning that, 80% of the thoughts that we have are negative and 95% of those are repetitive, right? And so if you just even take that as an average, you can understand why we are constantly talking ourselves out of our own success. Yeah. And our own thoughts is actually what derails us, right? Because of our preconceived notions of what are other people going to think, what if I fail? What if this happens, right? And so for me, when that was rooted in perfectionism, I was like, well, if it's not going to be, if it's not going to be perfect, then, I mean, what's the point of trying?

If I'm not going to be able to do the presentation for 30,000 people, like, what's the point of even doing it? You know? And so I, what, how I threw a lot of therapy, you guys, how I've been able to change some of that is understanding that the only two things I have control over and my locus of control is in the effort that I put into things and the attitude that I have for my successes and my own failures. And that's really changed the way that I move through the world and the way that I leave the trash where it belongs and try to pick up the treasures that are all around us. But that's really changed the narrative in my mind to feel less of a failure because I don't

measure up to some expectations that I set up for my own self because nobody told me and moved through the world feeling a little bit lighter and brighter and just happier and letting and maybe it's because I'm older honestly I feel like once I hit into my 40s I was like I'm a let that shit go um but I really do think that often we are in our own way and we are the people that derail us. And this is where I always talk about you can't create that new reality with that old mentality. It is the work that Dr. B and Dr. D always talk about. You have to dig deep so that you can create the reality and reimagine what you want it to be because a lot of the times our reality, the way that we're living it, is not working. That's actually what you're

here. And so don't finish the program with that old mentality. We create. where you imagine. I can't remember what the other R was, but it was beautiful. But, you know, just like find, like find your anchors, pack that suitcase with your knickers and the essentials

and then go into the holiday season and then come home and reopen that suitcase and unpack it. And then let's just look forward to your next trip. Woo! I try to go back and re-listen and re-listen, listen again to this one. the reality and old mentality, we're all in the pursuit of change.

And yet that old mentality is just keeping us stuck, preventing us from following through and giving us all sorts of fields that are just, they just keep repeating in our brain. That's that mental model that you've created for yourself around this. You can change that. You absolutely. And that's what you're here to do. Every time you listen to a conversation,

you have that aha moment, you implement one of the practices that the lady suggests. I love Sherry, Shari, here. I'm crying tears of gratitude that we have access to all of you brilliant women and and guide us on our journey. The wisdom is astounding. Drop the freaking mic. I mean,

this is exactly. We got to go. We got to shut her down. I don't want to because this is our last, you know, live with you. But you're going to be back in the January program. Plus, we like to support our experts. You guys have your own thing going on. It's about time, by the way.

Just so you know, it's about freaking time. We can only cover it so much. in the program right because we i stay in my lane we're focused on what we need to do but you can you can utilize these women so much more in your own lives in so many other areas so you guys have someone tell me about this um so tomorrow yeah body mind and heart so we're aware that this is a tough time of year yeah um and it could be because there's maximum joy in every direction it could be because, oh, that tender heart, that this is a sore spot of the year or a blend of both. And so we want to send folks into a healthy, uplifted holiday season.

And so as part of our burnout prevention series, all new material with time for intimate questions and connections. So starting tomorrow and for the next three weeks, we would love, love, love, to see you. And as a gift, yeah, there is a big discount here on behalf of the bod squad. And so Alinka's going to be talking about gut and immune health. And Dr. Beverly is going to be talking about rituals and forgiveness. And I'm going to be talking about the learning strategies, how to create a burnout free structure to go into the holiday season. And so we would love to see this community there i still i'm still stuck on body mind and heart that's so brilliant it

it how it's too beautiful that that's how you introduced us that's how i started it that's how i started it oh my goodness i love that okay uh you want to hang out with these ladies more see what they're up to go check out all the information that we are going to add to the top of this post on the podcast as well um jody put the link bod squad no over and out to um thank you ladies I'm already looking forward to you. I know Dr. Link, I'm going to see you on Thursday at her revolution, her event.

I'm going to cry. Are you going to go there, too? I was going to surprise you. You don't know. Was I surprising too? Oh, God. I blew it. Come everybody.

Come hang out. I know. Typical. You know? I'm going to try. I just need the car. It's like family logistics. Yeah.

Well, we're going to have lots of opportunities in the new year. Lots of people. I'm cool you to see if I should pick you up with something. they. Can I say one tiny, tiny thing? You have two seconds. Yes. Go. Good. I'm known for concision, aren't I? Um, so tomorrow night, uh, for all the students and the parents and the educators, I'm offering like dirt cheap. I'm going to teach you the best in, um, how to study for finals. Okay. So ethical AI. And if you're struggling and it's half an hour and just like come, I'm going to do them like strategy throw down. Yes. Because.

students are struggling. So whether you're in grade five, grade seven high school post secondary, if you've got professional exams commenting and to show you the tricks. So you don't have to suffer. I love Dr. B taking a photo. We can get you the link. I could text you that. Like I could but I was I like that. That's cute. That's brilliant. I got my kids, you know, both of them. My son yesterday was just like, I wouldn't like, what are you doing? It's like, I'm because they all just rewrite their notes and that's not studying. Like I'm doing nothing. I got to get to work to So he's probably working on today, because I'm going to send them that link. Thank you, ladies.

Thank you everyone who's joined us live. Thank you for commenting and sharing. We love you. We adore you. And to you, ladies, thank you for all your time over the last three months. I know you're coming back in January, so it won't be too sad. And I'll see maybe a couple of you on Thursday. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Just a good half hour chat. Thanks, Tina. Thanks, probably, and a little bit half. What a great half hour. I loved it. love you guys

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