The Livy Method Podcast - Spill the Tea - Fall 2025: Week 6 with Andrea Gillis and David Murray

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

In this heartfelt Spill the Tea episode, Gina chats with Andrea Gillis and David Murray, who’ve not only shared 43 years of marriage but are now supporting each other through their health journeys. After a serious accident led Andrea to a hip replacement and an urgent need to lose weight, the couple found their way to The Livy Method—and to each other, in a whole new way. They open up about navigating chronic pain, health scares, and the not-so-glamorous parts of accountability (hint: it includes David reminding Andrea about cake and her reminding him not to). It’s a real, raw, and inspiring conversation about love, lifestyle change, and what it really means to be healthier in retirement than you were before retirement.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodfall2025To learn more about the Livy Method, visit www.livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'm living a really happy relationship with my body. My confidence is through the roof. Every day on this program, I learn something new. I have tools now. I never had them before. I love these spill-the-te-te-segments, honestly, especially this couple that I'm about to introduce. So David Murray, Andre Gillis. So they have been married for 43 years and reading their bio.

It's almost like a love story. I got lots of questions for them just about life in general. They've been through so much together. And now they are working on their health journey together. He is down 38 pounds. She is down 24 pounds. They live in London, Ontario for most of the year. and then they head back to their original home in Nova Scotia for the summer

where they live in an airstream and work to protect endangered sea turtles. I mean, you can't not love them. Let's bring them on and hear more about them. Okay. You guys in your book for an hour. after. That's great. You look like different people. Well, we feel younger. We feel healthier. We feel more energetic. So, yeah, we are different people. We are. I love that. Is that through the experience? And I know that you kind of found the living

method because you were in a bad accident, Andre, and you needed to get a full hip replacement. I would imagine that was pretty life jarring and life changing. It was. We had many life jarring events many health related but yeah the accident was quite some time ago but you know caused chronic pain and eventual deterioration of my hip um really work life weight gain um chronic pain and uh and then the you know the hip between the eyes with the uh need to lose weight before surgery so you know basically saying you're diabetic you have to lose weight there's high risk for hip infection after surgery if you're overweight so I lamented that to my physiotherapist who was wonderful and she said do I have advice for you and she mentioned that she you know had a colleague who um was part of your

program and that she felt it was the most solid um reputable appropriate healthy way to lose weight so you know our physio clinic really endorses you so well i'm honored and and Please tell them, I said, thank you. I'm really honored to hear that. And was that your way in, David? Were you thinking about losing weight before starting the program with Andre? Well, yes, it was sort of like just before Christmas last year, I hadn't been on a scale for ages. And I said, let me get on the scale, see what's going on.

And I went, oh, my God. So this has got to stop. Because I hadn't really seen myself as gaining weight through the years. You just, you know, every day, you just, you know, you don't notice a day-to-day change. But I saw that, and I said, this is kind of crazy. Now, that happened to coincide with Andre coming back from the physio. And I said, I wonder, I kind of lose some weight. And she said, here's this program that they just talked about.

And said, let's look it up. And I said, okay, well, sure, you know, I'm whatever. Yeah. Let's give it a try. You were skeptical a little bit? Yeah, I mean, I've tried one other weight thing. We did it together on South Beach night years ago. I was sort of like, okay, let's work for a little bit. I have to get the dog.

It didn't stick. We got our dog, Charlie, here. He's going to come join us, maybe. Okay, please. But listen, this is how we roll around here, and we're always up for checking out cute puppies. You know, you guys have been through so much with each other. What is it like doing a weight loss program together?

It's very interesting. I mean, he supported me through another. My medical doctor in Halifax was a recent grad from UFT, and she actually recommended a diet that was terribly restrictive, and I won't even mention it. But it didn't work out for me. It did not help my blood sugars. It did help my blood sugars, but it was so limiting that it, you know,

it affected life socially. And I think, you know, with the young family here in Toronto, when we'd visit our daughter-in-law's son and the two grandchildren, oh, I can't eat this, oh, I can't eat this. Oh, I have to have cauliflower press pizza. Oh, I can't do this. And what we have found with the living method is we can do everything. And it's a lifestyle, long-term, sustainable,

extremely integrated with everybody in your life. So that's been amazing. Yeah. And when, you know, the fact that we're sort of doing this at the same time, we've got each other to bounce off a little bit and say, well, you know, the morning weigh in is always interesting. How much you weigh? My younger sister used to say that when she was very little. It's a little competition going on here. So it's how much you weigh, how much you weigh. The other thing that's funny, though, is I don't like anybody. I love your approach to life. I don't like anybody, especially a man telling me what to do. So there were a few times that I was wanting to just have a Tuesday and I, you know, go for something and Dave said, do you really, should you really have that? And I go, don't you tell me what to do. Do not tell me what to do. So that was kind of funny. And out came my, you know, I call it oppositional defiance disorder. So anyway, that was, didn't last long because we worked through everything. But it was, it was. comical it is it's it's it's fun you know like we we are having a I'm moving the dog trees over this way this is you know this is bad Charlie will probably jump up there in yeah but yeah we're we're we're really enjoying doing a lot of this together now for

for a while starting in January so Audrey could barely move their hip was so bad yeah grabbing jumping into the kitchen I have I enjoy the kitchen and but I start doing all the cooking pretty much full time and I started digging into, you know, your recipe guides. And there's everything in there. We haven't tried anything in those recipe guides that we haven't liked. I love that. They're really, really, you just need to make the PDF so we can print them off.

But what we go through, so I have them all saved. I have a little tablet up over by the kitchen there, and I just pull up a recipe and where we go. And I'm really enjoying being in the kitchen and cooking and trying different things. There's all kinds of food that I wouldn't touch, particularly growing up as a young kid. And I'm slowly finding all these things, like even more recently, tomatoes. Yes. Don't put a tomato in me.

And now I've got to have it on my salad every day. It's got to happen. And so it's been good. And so we have this really fun time as we go through this. Yeah. And I think supporting each other, like if you're discouraged, he was very discouraged through the second program. Yeah. And, you know, I kept quoting back one of your statements, which, you know, progress, not perfection, and just stick with the process and trust the process. And, you know, you lose 30-some pounds of the first program and you stay in a plateau for the second. And then I'll call it the third. I had just had my surgery. And, you know, recovery was my full-time job. So I was exercising with what the physiotherapist gave me three times a day.

So that took an hour slowly because you can barely move, but you're doing all these exercises. He's being my nursemaid and coming in through the night in, you know, medication and he was not getting sleep. I was actually resting because even though you're recovering with pain, Dave, just getting the dog. You know, I managed to lose another nine pounds. He didn't. But that was the example of, okay, I have obviously had so much inflammation gone with the surgery. even the pain isn't as bad as the hips, you know, pain. So the recovery and his exhaustion, but he's, you know, we both stuck with it.

But he, I couldn't imagine going through hip surgery, not having someone support you the way he did. So we just continued to, you know, lose weight in different stages. Which is very interesting because there's a couple things going on. So it was you, Andre, starting the program, with a lot of inflammation, chronic pain. you were able to get a major surgery, still lose even through recovery. And a lot of women complain when their husbands do the program that they just lose weight so easily. And yet, David, you did great first program. Second time you were looking after, Andre, you were that caregiver.

You had a hard time with your weight not moving while hers was moving. So it's a bit of a switcheroo there, which I find really fascinating. Yeah, you know, you get frustrated with it, and I think I'd put a comment in one time, and you say, hey, look, and I understand now as you read through, you know, particularly listening this morning to Dr. Alika, you know, you've got to get, and that was a lot of weight to move in, you know, three months. So, you know, you lose that weight, and I understand the sole process now, your body has to get used to it. And maybe it's still getting used to it. I'm still hovering around and just bouncing around it. I'm not moving very far right now. But sticking with it, you know, we have all these non-scale victories that are, you know, you throw the scale away. Forget that man. That's a bonus, really, as far as I'm concerned, you know. Because coming into this, my cholesterol was high.

It was on two different meds for that. My blood pressure was high. It was on blood pressure meds. At one point, I was on two meds for that. And as we've been going through this, and we, you know, listening to, of course, the vice we're getting for you folks. They said, go to our nurse practitioner and say, well, this is what we're doing, and here's what's happening.

And they were amazed. They had not heard of the program either, a nurse practitioner, and they're very, very interested now watching what's going on with the two of us. And so I'm through that, and there's no longer on cholesterol meds, and I'm no longer in the blood pressure meds. My knees were almost ready, in my opinion, for surgery. I couldn't do much of anything. There's still issues with them.

But they're not painting me every day. I can go, we go for these walks two or three times a day, a couple of kilometers at a time. Oh, and Dave has noticed, he weighed the dog. The dog has lost six pounds. The dog has lost six pounds because he's getting walked more. I love walking. I always love walking. And I just lost that ability.

Yeah. And he didn't replace it with, you know, chair yoga and all the things. I had a book on chronic pain exercises. They just didn't do it. And, you know, things creep up. But I'm off one of my diabetic medications. I had only been a short time on Ozempic and I don't need it. I had to go off it because the surgery, they don't like you to have it because

the anesthesiologist doesn't like it because you could aspirate. So my surgery was delayed several times. So I kept having not to be on it and I was on it such a short period of time and lost all the weight without it. And I don't need it. I have a health plan that would cover it, but I don't need it. And like you, if people need it, that's great. But I discovered I don't need it.

And I feel better for myself about that. Yeah, I'm on one medication and I may not need that. So I had my A1C's done 5.9. And I've been diabetic since 2015. And as you age, it usually gets worse. it's getting better. So, you know, I know that this is a lifestyle we can sustain. We'll fall off the wagon a few times.

You go back to Nova Scotia and you're going to fall off the wagon. It's like going on vacation to, you know, a wonderful, wonderful place. And you get with family and, you know, Natasha said food is love. But with our family food is love too. So you have to love in a different way, right? Like, have this healthy food. But it was fun to go back to Nova Scotia and surprise family and friends. A person who recently joined, shout out to folks in Nova Scotia, Rosemary, and Annette.

We've, you know, had them enroll. But I didn't say anything to family, you know, when we go there and say, what happened? You know, again, people don't. So, yeah. Yeah, that was fun. I say that's a bonus sort of thing. You're seeing some people that you haven't seen. And they take notice.

And then we get to tell them more about it. I had one guy who we work with in the terminal program. He says, I see you coming, but I don't see you coming because it's a different silhouette. It's even the energy you're putting out, the way you're walking changes. I was just going to say Rosemary is here with us. She's watching live. She says, hi, Andre and Dave, these friends of mine inspired supported me since I started the program in April and helped me lose 30 pounds. Yep.

Oh, my goodness. I mean, and then all her non-scale victories. And then, you know, we have relatives and friends that will be signing up that are so thrilled with the program. And, you know, the science and the experts behind it, it is just so amazing. And, you know, the Gillis Murray clan, they're tough, tough crew to impress. and you know absolutely everybody has been overwhelmingly impressed so and you know my friends who know well my they're watching they know I swear like a team sir my mother would say so I adore your approach to life I adore it and I say to everybody this woman is the real deal

she is amazing and you know if you have to you know use an adjective like the general manager from the blue jace did last night that's the best adjective ever go jays i mean your whole vibe this list your whole attitude um i've read your bios you guys have been through a lot um you know personally you're with health issues and whatnot i'm sure you had your frustrations with the program and whatnot how did you keep such a positive attitude about it or like you definitely had your moments here that is that charlie that's Charlie I think

how we kept through the program probably goes back to roots of other health difficulties our son was diagnosed with Crohn's at age 11 and he the treatment at the IWK hospital in the day 92, 93 was he was only 11

and it was called a bowel rest diet so he was not allowed to eat at all he was fed by a tube chemically digested food that was perfectly nutrient rich and he couldn't need anything so if he could do that whenever he had a relapse um we felt that if we you know start something that's um so good and so full of supports and it actually reminds me of the family and the community that surrounded us when he was sick and so when you have family

supports and you have community supports which your program is an amazing community of supports and that sustains you. So yes, you'll have setbacks, but you'll have these quotes that you'll share with everybody that are now second nature. You know, trust in the process. It's a Tuesday.

Okay, you're on vacation. Forgive yourself. I love Natasha's thing from last session, which was don't look in the rearview mirror. You know, don't look in the rearview mirror because you've got so much to look forward to. So I think that's what sustains me. And I think the

cheering committee of our family here, you know, our son, daughter, and line, the grandkids are just you know, loving the food we're cooking. We both love food. I mean, our daughter is a chef. Yeah, she won like Top Chef, right?

She won Top Chef. She was runner up with Shanti last year and Top Chef. So we were there watching her. That's when my blood pressure went up. I don't have a blood pressure problem. But she's been recognized as you know, top chef in Nova Scotia opened a restaurant that was

top. She's nominated again in Halifax for Top Chef in the Halifax region. So yeah, we love food. We love to eat good food. This whole lifestyle is eating whole good food.

That's interesting. And the routine, I think, you know, back to the question of what helped, you know, when things were tough. If you stick with your routine, Routines are great, taking away guesswork, taking away choices, because life is full of other tough choices. So when you don't have to think about things, and it's just routine. And the other impressive thing for me is so many things that you have said were pseudoscience that are now valid.

In terms of bowel health for Adrian, we worked with a naturopath in 92, 93, and we brought the IWK medical staff together with the naturopath to help them understand that you can't just take one singular approach and that probiotics are now a standard care for gastrointestinal disorders but in 92 they weren't and our naturopath then in 92 had recommended them and now the iwk with children does that a standard practice so we saw pseudoscience um now become main stream. So everything you say is reinforced from our prior life, you know, early on experiences too. So I love you guys. I'm going to walk away feeling fantastic here. What's your, what's your mindset? Like you guys are just like you are goals. Like that's the whole vibe. You're

healthy. You're well. You're retiring. You've got family. Like you want to live the rest of your life being healthy and well and what was your was your outlook before i don't want to say the living mother because i don't want to take credit for that but how is your outlook on your health change you've made you've done so much to be so proactive i think we know we're getting at the point where something had to be done because we're just and have the energy we're chasing a nine-year-old and the six-year-old around a lot and the energy wasn't there I mean, when we came up to Ontario, up to London in 2019, just as COVID really came along, the boys were still in daycare.

And we picked them up one day and said, make sure you take all the stuff because they're not coming back. And we took over the full-time care. Our bubble during that deep time of COVID was our condo and their house in the car between the two. And we seemed to have a lot more energy then. And it's, but it's deteriorated. It got lower and lower. Well, I guess I would say I have been living with, you know, chronic disability through that time. Dave's energy was much better.

But even with disabilities that were many, I was still optimistic. But what I was optimistic, but also denial. So there was a bit of, you know, oh, well, I think my lot in life is to live with these disabilities. and I'll still be happy with my lot. And then, you know, when it's like, well, you're going to have a new hip, but you're not going to have a new life unless you change. And so I think through physiotherapy and just the referral to this sustainable change, I'm going to have a life that's healthy, not a life that's multiple disabilities.

So for me as, you know, my dad, died at 73 he was completely disabled at 52 i was in his path that's where i was headed and you know couldn't imagine um you know living a long healthy life maybe a long life but you know your program is going to be a long healthy life and that's different than you know hanging on um but uh you know i think i think that's for me the big change is i feel like i'm now going to be going I'm going into retirement healthy, and I wasn't healthy before retirement. So that's exciting. I just sort of saw it as a, okay, this is, you know, when you start, is this going to work.

And if it did, then that was great. And as I'm going through it and going through that first program, this is absolutely, the difference in how you feel is, as I said earlier, beyond what the scale is coming. It's everything about your being, your energy, your sleep. Like, look, I'm a guy who used to sleep to 10, 11 in the morning. That was a normal thing. You know, that, and I'd be up late, and we'd be eating snacks all night long. And now, you know, obviously, you know, our evenings are water and tea.

And then we're embedded a decent time. Like, it was a late night last night. Come on. I know. Watching the chase was late. I only got seven-hour sleep last night. But, you know, Yinda, I'm on this, this is really bizarre for me because I now wake up, give me eight hours, and it doesn't matter if it's 10 o'clock, I'm awake at 6, 11 o'clock, I'm at 7, midnight, I'm 8. And there's no alarms or anything, I just wake up.

So I'm now this morning person that wakes up, you know, typically average of around 7 in the morning, and that's like, it's still dark out. What am I doing up? And then we get all this stuff done. Done. And I'm enjoying, I used to always get up ahead of him, but I'm now, sometimes he's ahead of me, but I still normally, I'm 10 to 7. And it's like, okay, I'll do my stretching exercises because I, you know, got into the pattern of doing those after the surgery. And then I'll go out and I'll do some groceries. I'll do another rear and I'm back by 830 and so much is done. So, yeah, it's been life changing. And then the, I'm enthusiastic, if you can't tell in terms of I could, I could. I could market many things. I'm so enthusiastic and telling so many people about the program. And I don't know if your staff have said to you the things. I'm writing in going, oh, I already talked to the New York Times.

And I wrote to them. I'm reading and they're talking about this food program. They need to study this. And then I was given some. I'm hired. You're hired. And there's a research person that you mentioned. and then I put her in touch with another researcher in Newfoundland at Memorial University

and say, you guys have to talk because, you know, the chronic pain book doesn't have a good thing on diet and lifestyle, the chronic pain book they give you in the hospital. And so I told her her research needed to connect with you. So here I am going, I think these people need to get together. That's just. Yes. I love that. I love your enthusiasm for the program.

Both of you have done so well. We want to know what people who are watching and listening, they're like, I want that too. I want to feel. Maybe they feel frustrated. They've been back for their 10th program. What do you think is your secret sauce to success? I think the big one is trust the process. You say it a lot.

I hear a lot of other people. You just need to, if you follow through, if you're reading all the information that's a lot, and there's a lot. As you say, don't take it all at once, but there's a lot. But if you follow that, if you listen to your guests, which are outstanding stuff that we're getting. And it's all connects together really, really well. So you need to trust that process. I was getting frustrated in the last program on this long plateau, then I'm still mine. But understanding and listening to what your experts have to say, what you have to say, what others in the

community have to say, you say, okay, I can handle this. This is all right. I'm still feeling great. I'm not gaining the weight back. I've still got the energy. I'm still sleeping well. That's all great. So, you know, I'm thinking if there's these slowdowns, these plateaus, just trust the process. Like, I have no worry that somewhere in the next few weeks or months or whatever it might be, I'm going to drop the last, I figure it's about 10 pounds I'd like to up. And I have no worry at all that that's not going to happen. And in the meantime, we're still eating really well. We're still exercising. We're for walks a couple times a day, at least. We're still chasing the boys around. And so we're, you know, and we're still having fun.

Yeah. And I guess what I would say, Dave and I learn differently. And I am definitely ADHD, which made me good in my career, good at crisis management, not, you know, technologically driven. So we learn differently. And what I love about the program is, you know, and I say this to friends that, you know, another engineer friend who is now in the program and loving it, you know, take from it what you need. Don't, you know, there's the need to know and there's the must know. And, you know, if you love to be in all these different apps, I am lost in apps.

I like my little book, not little book, the big book. I like my journal. I sometimes record and sometimes don't. I'm now learning more things through the app than I was before. But learning differently and respecting everybody's different approach to things and being so inclusive, Gina, you are so inclusive and everything that you do in your program is not judgmental. It's positive.

It's supportive. It doesn't put anybody in the corner for their mistakes that, you know, I counted the little cinder blocks in school because I spent most of the time in the corner. You know, and then had to, you know, tell teachers that were doing that to my daughter. I get paid a lot now, this is when I was working, to ask why. You know, I have courage beyond anything. And those are attributes that can come with ADHD. I can handle any crisis, you know, but school didn't necessarily respect that.

But so what I like about the program is it's bringing together experts that help people see value in themselves and respect people's self-esteem and hold people up when other programs or society has knocked them down. So you hold people up and you give people. the ability to stand up when shit happens, right? So life is tough and this is a community that supports people when life is tough. So I think that's phenomenal. You've inspired so many people. What would you, you seem so hopeful and so lighthearted about it.

And I love that you take what you need and figure out resources that are going to work for you. If you could just say one thing to someone, what would it be? Believe in yourself. Ooh, yeah. It's just a system that's going to work for you. You look through and you look through the comments and I know you've had a couple of gentlemen on before. But there's not many men that you see happening here. program.

And in fact, somebody commented on the preview post yesterday, he named with Suzanne, hi, Suzanne, and watch your husband to watch this. And so I'll say to him, he says, this is great stuff. We will feel better. And there's absolutely no way you can't feel better because of what you're going to be eating and what you're going to be doing, what you're going to be feeling, what you're going to be mentally tough thinking about, it's all going to work as well.

And we've got to get some more men in your chair. It works so well for men, and you're so right about that. What, what, something sometimes men are wary of diets. What did you think about the tweaks each week? Like, were you like, oh, what? We're not best sometimes that. We're downsizing you for getting a little cut. I want to have that.

Well, we have to go back and read. So week four, it's like, okay, let me refresh myself and everything is new again. So that's, I guess, the tweaks are, I like what you say. It's not how, you know, it's not how it looks on the plate. It's how it feels. Tweeps are hard to get to that insight. So it's, you know, okay, I feel like I want more to eat.

So I know I'm effectively downsizing this morning. I had one egg bite, and I feel like I want a lot more. So it wasn't, the egg bite also looked small. So I looked at it on the plate, but it's the feel. At the beginning of the week, I made this mistake, and I made, like, we make a whole thing of our egg bites, basically like that for Tata. They'll get like 16 portions out of it. And then it's, oh, I'll also make these feta and spinach almond flour biscuits that we have because they're really good, high protein, it's really good, no flour. And I made a batch of that, and then I'm going, oh, crap.

We're going to have this stuff for two weeks now. And I said, freeze it. Just freeze it. We'll take one out when we want it. I think, yeah, we're not, we have a lot more to learn, and we're excited that we will learn more on the downsizing because I think we're working on mindfulness. And, you know, the four questions,

we have them right above our dishwasher before you sit down at the dining table. you know, looking at those, but it's, it's for us, you know, maybe it's been, other things have been on our mind, you know, hip surgery, what I had to do, not necessarily as, as mindful of our tweak and downsizing week. We're working really hard on it this time. Other times it was more, okay, I'll just, you know, I'll leave something on my plate or I'll make a smaller portion instead of realizing that that's not what it's about it's about being mindful to your you know satiety needs and shout out to row she um who had typed in earlier um you know she had a great insight that i'll share which was um just that a warm feeling in her stomach and it was

that's what satisfied feels like and oh you know that mindfulness of this is you know i'm satisfied so it's that okay before i feel satisfied having to stop and you know i've worked on that this morning so it's like yeah i'm not satisfied i really want more i'm hungry what when you guys think like when does it end for you guys like do you guys are you're getting close you're getting you don't have much more to go before you reach your goal when you vision like a year from now where do you expect to be year from now two years from now well i think for me what um i expect to be at my goal or maintaining and you know i have have had great success before on losing weight and great success on gaining it back.

So I, you know, a year from now, I will be at my goal and I will be maintaining it. And I will not let, you know, when you live between two provinces, you're kind of permanently on vacation somewhere. Yeah. In the mental state. So I will not, you know, I kind of did that. when I look at my chart, I started to gain a bit from August to October. And it's like, no, that has, get off that train.

You know, get off. You know, I like it when people write in and say, oh, I don't know. The program's not working for me. And I love it when you say, okay, just check yourself. What have you done with the program not working for you? Are you not working the program? So, you know, it was like, okay, you know, had 65th birthday in Nova Scotia.

I had wonderful, wonderful gathering. It was the best birthday party I've ever had. Love it. I look at myself, though, and it's like, okay, you know, Nova Scotia's great for lobsters, Donair, good wine. Our daughter's a great chef. Let's keep it. It can't be on vacation permanently.

So, you know, that mindfulness of keep your routine wherever you are, And that, I would say, helps people, if we can do it between two provinces. People can do changing shifts and changing, you know, work schedules. We're living in our trailer, pretty much. And some of that time where, you run out of something, you're at least a half hour and 45 minutes to get some more products or whatever you need. It's kind of hard working that way. But we made it work pretty well. But it has its challenges.

So, you know, like I said earlier, I said, I'm floating this plateau for a while. And once I get down, I'd like to get this in about another 10 pounds, and I think I'll be very happy with that. And then we'll roll into your maintenance. And I can see, I mean, we're just going to be part of a community. I think we're just going to stay with it. Because we watch your guests, we watch your people over and over again. You say every time it's different.

Yeah. You pick out some more, you get some more tidbits. Another nugget. And the nugget that resonated for a reason. program one is a different, it hits you at a different level in another program. And there's some more to absorb. So, you know, stay. Who's your favorite guess?

Oh, listen, I'd like the bod squad when you guys are get all together. That was the greatest thing going. When the three, the four of you get in there, and there is so much the dynamic of that whole thing and the information that gets shared between. Yeah, mutual respect and, and, And the fun. I just enjoy it. I think that, yeah, but the way that you can escalate the power of the individual

and make it so much more when you dialogue like that. It's really hard to say, oh, I like that better than that. You know, Dr. Paul's great. We've got our little supplement table going over here. There's just, again, every time you're getting it, like I think the last round we picked We're going to try that stuff. We'll read that in and see if that helps. It looks like you're having fun.

Fun with you. We are. And, you know, I said to one of your staff, people, I want to meet you. You're on my bucket list. So I've met you this way, but we're very happy that we're in Ontario and that when you have a pop-up, we're going, you know. I won't stalk you, but I do want to meet you. I have a feeling you and I are going to get along like this.

We already are. I think community is one of the things I'm most proud of, and I don't take credit for it. I'm more the facilitator of the conversation and facilitator of the community. But honestly, talking about our community can bring me to tears. I just think it's so special. And life is hard enough and look at everything that you've been through. It's nice to feel part of something and be connected to other people.

Yep. And that is, it's genuine. And I like, I think it was yesterday you said, look, I'm an ethical businesswoman. You know, I come from a family of entrepreneurs and I'm the least entrepreneurial of them. I worked in public service for most of my life. I did work in private law practice, but worked in the university setting. And one thing that, you know, my parents taught all of us was ethics are everything. thing. So, you know, you are a good person. You are trustworthy. You are reliable. You are

honest. You are sincere. And those are qualities that are lacking in so much of society that it's a breath of fresh air, Gina. So it's absolutely amazing. And we are grateful for that. We're inspired by it. You know, thank you. It's, it's really interesting. We were talking to my team about, you know, reviews and whatnot and getting the word out there and spreading. And someone had brought up Reddit and, you know, so I went and checked it out and read it just a whole bunch of disgruntled people who are trying to talk about the program and hate me for this or hate the program for that. And I'm just like, oh, man, like I really just trying to do my best here, honestly. And there's so much that goes unsaid or unresolved.

or unexplained, just because it's complicated to have conversations with people. And so I just want to say personally, like, I think everything happens for a reason. And the fact that I had this conversation with you today, I'm like, I'm just, this is why I do what I do. And I'm doing the best to figure it out. But your whole everything about you guys is what I want for everybody. That's it. To feel their best and to feel your best and be hopeful. about life. Yeah. And you're charting a good course and we're on the boat with you.

Thank you. And when you say, where are we going to be next year? We're still in the boat. I do wonder what's next in how we keep our community. I think this is lifestyle maybe. Like now that you're not worried about this or that, maybe I don't know. It's, I don't know. It's where people pursue things like being outdoors. I love what you said here, David. I feel younger. lighter and more alive. My energy is back. Oh my God, I'm going to get emotional. My cravings are gone and I genuinely like the person I see in the mirror. Sometimes I even have to do a double take when I walk by my reflection into window. Who is that guy? Yeah, it was interesting, you know, because, you know, particularly when I was losing weight in that first program,

it really wasn't until I was grabbing some clothes I said I got to get some new clothes these are just hanging off me and not until I realized okay I'm down down to a 34 waist I'm down to a medium from an extra large

shirt and they put that on and undertook a picture and I'm looking at all that's a different person yeah and I think so exciting so exciting for his mom to see him I mean, sending pictures is one thing, but she's 95, and your dad lived to be 91.

You know, he's got longevity in the family. I want to be a healthy lot. Yeah, and so that's what we said. It has to be healthy longevity, but, you know, she used to say, oh, you're a worthy lake, which was, you know, quote, the larger people, and they, not a Murray, you're not a Murray, the Murray's that they're people. There's something known is the Murray Metabolism. The Murray metabolism, all the other Murrays were very slim.

You know, they weighed the same that they did in high school. So now he's gone to Antichinish and his younger brother. He went to a store to pick up a takeout order and they said, you're Andrew's brother? And he goes, oh, you're Andrew's younger brother, are you? And no, I'm Andrew's. I win. John the mic. Yeah.

But, yeah, so, yeah, it's a, it's a wonderful program that's sustainable long term. and that it includes people on the journey and it includes others that aren't with you on your journey. And that's, that's golden. That's golden. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. I think it's so important to hear from other people. And you did a lot of praising of the program today.

Thank you so much. Honestly, that's, I mean, that's not what this is supposed to be about. But your love and your passion and your understanding and your trust, I think it's going to be translated to people when they are wavering. or they're not sure. And, you know, your energy speaks volumes. And that's why so many people are talking about how they love, how I love you guys. This will inspire my husband and I. He doesn't follow, but he eats what I eat.

I lost eight pounds and he's lost seven pounds. And the dog has lost four pounds. That's it. I could talk to you guys all day. I do have to run. But we are going to hang out. I'm going to make that happen. We are going to hang out.

We are going to connect. I would love for you guys to follow up when, you know, when you guys reach your goal, let's have a conversation next program with a program after that and see where you at and see what's going on. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. I appreciate both of you. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Bye. Oh, my God. I'll talk to them forever. I told you. I just, first of all, you have got to go to their poster and read their bios. Read their bios that will connect a lot of the and you'll have such a great understanding for both of them and everything that they have been through their lives. You know, and I know I shared a bit of that personal part of the end, but I think life is

truly hard enough and you just want to feel like you can reach your goals. You want to feel like there is something you can do about the health issues that you have, the chronic pain that you are in. And I know, I know weight loss is very, it's complicated. It's complicated. And, you know, I love what they said about kind of like, you know, take what, take what you need. And sometimes you put so much pressure on ourselves to do all of the things that sometimes it just stops us from doing any of the things. And just showing up,

just if you are just to sign up for this program and listen to the spill the tea conversations or just listen to the guest experts, that in itself is enough without even taking any action on anything, just changing your outlook and your perspective. I can't tell you, that was a true gift today. As is all of our spill the tea. you know, guess, but that was a true gift. So thank you so much

for Andre and David. Tomorrow, Dr. Sandy Van, who is a world renowned obesity medicine specialist. She literally travels the world talking about

this stuff. She also works with Sean Wharton, another world renowned obesity medicine specialist. She's going to be joining us tomorrow to talk about GLP1s, which are

interesting because of the conversation we have with Dr. Alinko today. But more than that, what is she learning, what's new in obesity medicine, what options are there for people? What is the conversation?

So no doubt that will be a great conversation tomorrow. And then on Thursday, Dr. Linketrejo is going to be back. And then we all got to try to find some sleep before the Jays start this next series on Friday. Have a great rest of your day, everyone. Thanks so much for joining me. I'll see you tomorrow.