The Livy Method Podcast - Spill the Tea - Winter 2024: Week 9 with Robin Hahn

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

This is the live recording of the Spill the Tea session with Gina and Special Guest Robin Hahn.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2024Topics covered:Introducing Robin Hahn.You didn't fail, the diets failed you.Robin shares her early diet history.Why it's important to track your diet history and acknowledge the baggage you may be lugging around with you.Robin speaks to how she honours her past self to inform her present version of herself.Robin talks about her disability and the impact on her weight loss journey.How Robin reconciles how she moves through health issues while trying to be her healthiest.Cultivating joy as an action item.Patterns of weight loss and long plateaus.Giving yourself the space to feel and move through frustration without dismissing it.Maintaining a positive outlook through challenging circumstances.How your brain interacts with the world affects how you may approach frustration or festering in your funk.Robin talks about physical changes including vocal chords on her weight loss journey.Gina and Robin discuss being in tune with the body through singing.The power of learning and continually learning as a way to get in tune to the body. Robin shares her tips for the program.Be here and allow for ugly crying doing the real work you are here to do.Robin shares her beautiful voice with us.Allowing yourself to be who you are, where you are at and permission to take up the space you deserve!It's about connection. We're here together on this journey.Find RobinInstagram @robinhahnsopranYouTube: Robin HahnFollow our Livy Loser account on IG @LivyLosers and use #livyloserTo learn more about the Livy Method, visit www.ginalivy.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams from my 91 day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on Acast, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple,

and Amazon Music. Welcome to Spill the Tea. It's going to be a whole vibe today because our guest today, Robin Han, is a whole vibe, honestly. 32-year-old opera singer, theater director, disability activist. She's on her third official group. The first one, she didn't get into the group, so she was a bit of a Libby lurker. Now down 40 pounds, and of course she has a story,

started dieting when she's 11 years old, and life has not been easy for her. So let's meet Robin. Hello. Hi. Hi, Gina. It is lovely to chat with you today. Right back at you. I was just saying behind the scenes, I was telling Robin I was lurking on your Instagram

account last night and you are a whole vibe, my goodness. So first of all, thanks for joining us. It's never easy to share your journey, but you are an active member in our community every day, posting, setting intentions. You know, you really don't need any introduction around here, but let me, let me, let me start with how did you find out about our program how'd you find out about us sure um um I was actually in rehearsal for a show um well no I wasn't even in rehearsal at the time we were doing auditions and I was talking to um a colleague of mine I because I was um I was a uh the director for this opera okay and um the music director for the opera and i were chatting just sort of between auditions and um somehow we got onto the topic of you know history of dieting of of toxic dieting and then

of weight loss and she was like have you heard of the livi method i was like no uh-huh um and she was so excited she was just like she's just um her name is Adette. She's been in the group for lots of time. She told, she said I could say hi. So hi, Adette. And she and I are actually doing a show again together right now we're rehearsing for here in vancouver so we're coming back and doing it as sort of sort of a livey loser um artistic um band because she's the conductor and uh amazing director yeah and the rest is history she um she said she said here's the the podcast link um just go listen to it whenever you whenever you're ready um and i after auditions that day, I was like, okay. And I'm getting ready to drive home. Cause it's an a thousand year long drive from where we do this show to my house. And I, you know, set it up on my phone and put it through the computer, through the car. And, um, yeah, you were like two or three days past the deadline of that group. And you happened that live to say something about how,

which is, you know, something you say all the time, but you know, it was, it was the right thing for me right at that moment. You were saying, um, you didn't fail at the diets, the diets failed you. And I like burst into ugly tears in my car. I couldn't drive for like a while. I just sat there outside the theater. Um, just, Oh, cause it was exactly what I needed to hear because of course, you know, um, yeah, I've been doing this for a really long time and, um, uh, yeah, I've tried all the things. I've tried all the fans. A lot of them worked, you know, worked in the sense that I lost a lot of weight. Sure. But, you know, fundamentally, they're not designed for me to keep it off. So I didn't. Yeah, I want to, I do sort of want to get into how you did your first program without actually getting into the group. But let's take

it back since, you know, obviously, that really connected with you that, you know, you've done all the diets, and it's not your fault. it's just the way those diets were designed never sustainability let's go back to your first diet at the age of 11 so you were a dancer very intense uh with classic ballet and you your ballet teacher recommended despite the fact you weren't overweight that you go on a diet. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Anyway, she, um, yeah, it was a very serious ballet school. Um, and, uh, she, she didn't mean any harm by it. It was just that, you know, um, I was 11 and I, and I got puberty early. I hit puberty at age nine. So by 11, I had curves, you know, that, um, in the ballet world is not, are not supposed to be there. I was fit. Um, I looked like a normal, I looked like a normal 11 year old who had, who was exercising five times a week. Cause I was,

cause I was in ballet school that often. Um, but, um, that was not what was expected of me so i started um you know food restricting essentially that's i mean like there was like um and calorie restricting like there was a sort of calorie um from a very young age and my and uh my mom whom i love dearly and we are very good friends and so she was helping me with this and like on the calendar every day we would write in my weight i have then this is a sort of um this is a core memory for me is seeing the calendar with my varied weights as a child um and you know it's it stays with you it stays with you the things that people don't recognize are going to um stay with you do and um yeah it was it became a lot very early on uh yeah i mean it was a different conversation back then because people freely talked about dieting i'm sure she was just trying to support you in your

journey at becoming an amazing ballerina and i think every mom who took their kid to weight watchers didn't really understand the effect and the impact that would have on them. Like they were just trying to support their children. And so many, so many people have that story. And my mom signed me up for Weight Watchers. And I don't think that there was, you know, they didn't mean to do any harm. They probably thought they were like, Hey, let me, this is the, what's available for help out there. And like, lucky for me that I can sign my kid up to even do this in the first place. And they didn't really understand the impact that it was going to have, but what kind of impact has it had? Because

you, you say from there that, you know, you've been dieting and overexercising and berating yourself for failing and gaining weight back basically ever since. Yeah, it's true. Um, um, before I started, um, well, first of all, I stopped growing at age 11. So like my height has been constant through this entire process. I am five foot one if I do this. So like, uh, I'm, I'm a little bitty. Um, but within that, so this entire process, I think my weight has varied by about 80 pounds, which is a lot when you're short. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's been a lot. Um, I've been very, very small and I have been very not, um, in the same short little body. And I knew it had done damage to my metabolism because I got to a point where I felt like I couldn't physically eat any less at one point. I have a, again, I don't know why I keep using the phrase core memory, but that's what's happening today. I guess that's where we're at. I think it's huge to recognize. Yeah. I have this core memory of being a teenager and driving in my car. Not my car. I didn't have a car when I was a teen.

Driving in the car that I was borrowing from my parents and having to pull over because, oh man, I don't know. I'm just talking about ugly crying. Having to pull over because I was crying because I had eaten too much salad. Like, and of course, you know, adult me and of course the me who has gone through the program. I recognize the impact of that and how, and, and, and that, that I have, I have empathy for that person. I, I, I carry her all that version of myself with me everywhere I go. She's a, she's, she's part of who I then became. Right. Um, uh, but yeah, like, uh, but I also know that, you know, like that it wasn't, it wasn't me being irrational in that moment. This is what diet culture had taught me I should be feeling. This is what diet culture told me I should be prioritizing.

That there, that, and, and that it told me that I had failed at something because I had eaten too much stuff. Yeah. This is why I think it's such a, I'm glad that we're talking about this because when I say to people, it's such a good practice to go back and track your weight journey, your history with food and your weight and what you've done and your thoughts about it. And, you know, you guests come on and I think, you know, they do, they're like, why did I feel like crying? I'm like, it's because you're sitting in the moment and reflecting on the feelings and they're very real. And this is why it's be, it's so beneficial to go back and really sit quietly and track your history of dieting and truly understand how deep it is and how it can affect

you on so many levels so that you have an idea of what you're working with, not just mental, not just physically, but mentally, you know, it's not just eat less exercise more. It's so much more than that. And you're talking years and years and years of, you know, for lack of a better word, you know, past trauma, whether it was intentional or not, it's what you, it's what you, it's the baggage that you carry with you. And so everyone's dragging a big ass bag of luggage, you know, into this program. And then they get in here and they want it so bad and they want it done so quickly. And when their body isn't responding the way that they think that it should, based on how hard they're working, they're forgetting that it's not just what you're doing within this group. It's what you've done

for years and years and years. Exactly. I mean, because of, uh, my, my physical health, I knew walking into this program that I couldn't go hard at it. My body would not support that. And therefore, I knew sort of going in that my version of maximizing is really spending a lot of time with myself and really imagining my past self and sitting with her and sitting with with myself now and and recognizing my patterns like a lot of the mental work is where i put my maximization energy because um i can't uh uh do as much movement as maybe the next 32 year old over you know um i i this is where, um, the, the meat, that's a pun at this point about if we're in a, if we're in a food driven space, the meat of the program has been for me, um, has been, um, really recognizing what I came to this with and that, um, it doesn't even like we haven't, we have a sort of tendency, I believe in society to say, well, my trauma around this can't be that bad because other people's traumas is worse or something, but that doesn't mean that you don't carry it. That doesn't negate the power it had in your life. You can honor what you came to and how impactful that was for you. Did you listen to Dr. Dina Kara-Shaper today this morning?

What a great conversation. And just really talking about how doing all the things isn't just checking the things off and doing all the things. It's recognizing where you are at and what you need and the things that you need to focus on. Can we talk about your physical health? Would you call it a disability that you have, a syndrome? How would you describe this? So I do call it a disability and a chronic illness. Not all chronic illnesses are disabilities. Not all disabilities are chronic illness. Not all chronic illnesses are disabilities. Not all disabilities are chronic illnesses. Mine happens to be both. Because the definitions of disability just sort of say that

it's something that impacts your ability to move through the world in a normal way. And they sure do. I have hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. It's a genetic connective tissue disorder. My connective tissue just wasn't made right on the genetic level and nothing can teach my DNA how to make it any better. But your connective tissue impacts is part of all of your systems, including your digestive system. Like most of your guts are connective tissue, honestly. So, so it's not just that it, you know, makes me sort of wobbly and makes my joints dislocate. But you know, like, digesting is hard, my, my veins don't

contract well, as well as most people's do to push the blood where it needs to be in my head. So it's, it sort of is systemic, but I mean, but I think the TLDR, the sort of rundown of all of that is that my body is sort of under stress, trying to function a lot. My inflammation, my baseline inflammation levels are high because it's just sort of to trying to exist. It's like, wait, how, how do I, how do we do this? Is it, nobody moved. That's sort of to trying to exist it's like wait how how do i how do we how do we do this is it nobody moved that's sort of the energy and that's that's the reality of my body and that there's there's no um um that's that's not really a sort of positive or negative thing like the way that the symptoms in and of themselves can affect my uh my day-to-day life that that can suck but it is just like to me it is as much a part of my body as like my hair color okay but i'm gonna just come from props here because you've gone and lost 40 pounds during the program and we've talked. And we've talked about inflammation. We've talked about, you know,

all the reasons why your weight might be slower to move. This doesn't make it easy for you. Chronic pain, random joint dislocations, fainting, you've had to have some heart surgery. You know, inflammation obviously is a huge one, your body just acting beyond your control. But I love what you say here. You've learned not to have expectations of what it will do. And when the scale isn't moving, it isn't failure on your part or your body failing you. It's just part of the process. So, you know, a lot of people have issues that they need to deal with that it sucks, whether it's health issues that they're dealing with or, you know, whatever is slowing them down when it comes to being able to focus on the things that they need to focus on.

It sucks. But how do you move past that? How did because I think a lot of people maybe because yours is a more, more serious, there's nothing you can really do about it situation. So you've learned to accept it, whether it's someone who has thyroid issues, they're a diabetic, or they have inflammation, or they have food sensitivities, whatever that might be. How do you reconcile that? Ooh, that's the big question in all of disability justice. Well, when you're really facing something that is a sort of health change, I think, which is something that I believe, like, if we are all that you thought you could be, the dream that you had that changes, and you're grieving your past self. And that is normal and part of the

process. And grief is powerful and deep and a lot to work through. But we do hopefully move through it right and we come to a point where we have learned to live without the thing we've grieved um you i i believe in cultivating sort of joy as a practice as a as an action item that you can do um Because it's very hard to just change your mindset because you want to. That is not really a thing. But you can put, you can say, okay, well, what does joy actually mean to me in my life? What does that really look like? Not as a sort of vague idea, but what is the thing that brings me joy here and now? Is that a small thing? Is that that I want to go out on my balcony when it's sunny and read Lord of the Rings for the 15th time? Because it totally is that for me. Or is that building a life that sort of generally puts you in a position of more support, of more access? That's what that looks like to me. you're doing a program like the Livy method, you're spending so much time imagining your why,

right? Or that's what we should be doing. And our why may not fundamentally be attached to, be just attached to weight, right? Like it's attached to your sense of self. It's attached to the way that you move through the world. It's attached to the way that you experience food. It's attached to the way that you experience your own self-worth. It can be more expansive. And I think, as I said, that's where the meat of the program is to me, is where weight loss interacts with all these other aspects of our lives. I don't know if that answered your question. No, that's great. That's a great, you know, you're just sort of encompassing that,

you know, it means different things to different people and people, different people are struggling for different reasons and you have to make it make sense to you. And your why is really important in terms of like, that's really your motivating factor is you may have to do things that you don't enjoy doing try to find joy in them at the end of the day you're doing them because you have a goal or something that you're trying to reach or trying something to achieve um can we talk about your patterns because you would drop i mean obviously you've been successful you lost 40 pounds you would drop and then you would have really long plateaus, like up to seven weeks. Yeah. Like super long. Yeah. And so do you remember being frustrated? Were you frustrated? Did you just like, what did you do when you were things even because here's the thing like like um coming to a point when you um um are aware that you know it's a process that the plateaus are

good for you and all that stuff that's all like sort of stuff that you can that you can know academically but in the moment you're you're gonna feel some things yeah some stuff is gonna come up right and it and like the the individual reminders day-to-day are so valuable for that like that's one of the reasons i said all those attentions just to sort of say it to myself um the things that i know are true like you need this plateau this is telling you that your body is probably under stress in some capacity you know like um uh but um, uh, but yeah, I had all the, I've had all the feels. Um, but, uh, I think, I think the great thing that this program sort of invites you to do is not to say, well, that feel is garbage because no, but to say, okay, you're having a feel. Let's, let's sit with it. Let's,

let's take some time for it and give, and give yourself space to feel frustrated that I have been within the same three pounds since the third day of this program. Um, uh, yeah, you know, like at some point I'm like you know i find that funny you know all sorts of stuff but um if you sit with that and go okay well do we know why well yes i know why my body is is just gonna my body really do be doing shit uh but um and also you know i'm currently directing three different operas. I'm going to be in one of them as well. Like, I think there might be some stress in my life, you know?

Yeah. You sit with that and go and say, okay, well, why? And then is there something that, some place for me to give myself more space to feel that? Is there, and like what is what is the next sort of i like action items um the next sort of action item that i can add to this that may help me move through this frustration moment um and not dismiss it or or shove it away, but simply move to the point where I'm, you know, back to feeling open. Yeah. How do you not because I think what happens is that like, that's ideal people like, like, like the idea of that, but the frustration builds, and then the frustration builds,

and the frustration builds, and it's just building and building and building, building where you have the wherewithal to look at the key, what's going on? What can I do? I love here, you say you've come to learn that the work that's going on. What can I do? I love that here. You say you've come to learn that the work that you're doing when the scale isn't moving is going to result in weight loss somewhere down the road, but how do you maintain a positive for lack of a better word outlook and keep showing up day after day after day? Uh, well, I am, I am sort of lucky in this sense. I am sort of obnoxiously positive just as a human person. I am a ray of sunshine. Thank you. You are a whole vibe. You are. Thank you. But yeah, no, there's a certain amount of it that I just know that I'm lucky. I am a happy person. I'm fundamentally that.

And I can give insights into what my brain is doing when that happens. And I can share my pieces of advice. But if someone's brain is not doing happy, their brain is not doing happy. Whoa. Wow. whoa wow i think because i'm so like hyper focused i like to stay in my lane like weight loss weight loss weight loss and then we think of course that people are being frustrated of course they are with the scale and it's making hard but you're right your mindset i wouldn't think like the key to some people's weight loss journeys in terms of following through is happiness is in, is in being happy. If you're making, if you're focusing on your happiness

or trying to find joy or the things that are going to make you happy, then your whole outlook about everything that you're doing, it's all, it's all affected by that. It's true. It's affected by that it's true that's true it's so true so being frustrated isn't sometimes just like you know festering in your funk and being mad about what you ate or didn't eat or what happens with the scale or not the scale it's it's all the other things in your life wow exactly yes your your your brain will carry these things. Um, I mean, I, I, I'm a singing teacher and singing is a very personal thing that is about identity. And it's about, um, because, because your voice is part of you and we can't just go in and say, this muscle should go this

way and this way. So we spend, I spend a lot of time like talking to people about how are you actually doing today? Not in the Canadian, hi, I'm fine. Thanks. How are you? But like, how are you actually doing today? So I spent a lot of time with how the way that you perceive the world, the way that you move through the world and the way that you, uh, that your brain just sort of naturally interacts with the world, uh, it affects the way that you, um, do, do little things. And then the, the way those little things can affect the brain too. Anyway, this is this, so the, the, your lane is also my lane, I guess. I love it. I love it. Can I ask you a question, a personal question? Losing 40 pounds. Did that affect your voice? Yeah, can. For me, it hasn't been enormous vocally yet. I know that I have some friends who

want to lose weight and have a lot of weight to lose and they worry about it changing their voice because cords are such tiny little things. They're so it-bitty and your body will put fat all sorts of places right and it can change i it isn't to say it hasn't changed i think it has not enormously but yeah it totally can it totally can and i have another maybe 25 to 30 to lose okay um so it made that i may see more um but here's the thing with with um opera this okay here sounds like we're going off topic but i promise we're coming back um um opera is sort of singing without having chosen a style to me if you just learn tech like technique of how to make the chords vibrate the way that they are long enough you just sort of turn around and you look around you're like i guess i guess i'm i guess i'm an opera singer now uh this this happened to me that's how i became Um, uh, so like you may hear it more, um, depending on what type of type on, on how

you are producing the sound, because some types of singers are by their nature and there's nothing better or worse. It's just different or by their nature, like doing more things to the chords to make it, to make the sound. Whereas my job as a soccer singer is to sort of put put the air through the chords and then just let it go let it be as much possible so you actually really hear the body in opera you may not hear the the shape or or or size of the body in other genres so you'd have to be really in tune with your body when it comes to it's you really

do that's one of the things you cultivate in singing is a is a is a real understanding of this of of the uh uh signals your body is giving you i mean they're different signals than say like like my hunger singles but yeah signals but i've told but I have sat with that too. Like, wow, I'm, I really, um, I feel very blessed to have come to this from singing because I've spent so much time inside me thinking about what, what is this doing? Cause not every, every little component involved in singing has as many nerve endings as others. So I can't feel this as well as that, but I have to get a sense of what all these other things are doing. The people on the podcast won't know what my hands are doing, but I guess neither do I.

But yeah, like you really have to build an awareness of if this part of me is talking to me in this way, maybe it actually is referring to something different. It might actually do that, you know? Well, that awareness, not just when it comes to singing and the type of singing that you do or, you know, with your, sorry, syndrome. Sorry? Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome.

Syndrome. With that, you'd be hyper-focused. You'd be hyper-in'd be hyper in tune with your body so i could see how that part of it factored into the program and the process for sure and it just sort of this innate knowing and calm confidence in your body being so in tune but at the same time there's there's so much there's still so much to learn because the body is so i'm such a big nerd about this when you when you go off on like nerdy sort of the science of of of weight loss tangents i'm like i feel this in my soul i am just as nerdy about the body science stuff it's just a different like subset um uh

yeah like i i still had to go and still do occasionally like like after doing this for you know over a year sit it down and go okay what actually does that mean what like there's because um fundamentally like you can you can have practice and you can have practice with with sort of how you're listening but listening to this system when it's doing the X versus Y, you're still going to have to learn it. Like I've like, man, it's not, it's not always easy. Sometimes I'm like, I'm like standing there looking at, looking at my torso going, what are you telling me? What do you want from me? It's a lot. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot. And Dr. Dina earlier today was talking about things that you are sort of constantly learning.

That is something that is part of you that you will be learning again and again. Because that is the recurring thing for you. And I think there are ways in which learning to listen to your body, learning to be really in tune is something that we are forever learning yes the body changes yeah and life changes life changes you're constantly changing and evolving oh my goodness um god this time went by so quickly i'm just cognizant of the time um your tips for the program tips for someone sure um i mean i think i'm probably preaching to the choir here because the people who are listening now are the people who are doing this and the people who are listening later are doing this but for me it's the lives and it's the podcasts i mean i'm a theater person and i'm on uh the Coast. I'm in Vancouver. I can't listen to any of the lives live because I don't go home until like midnight from rehearsal half the time. But taking the time to rewatch them because they're there, to re-listen to them when I'm driving home, that's so valuable and not not having the pressure to catch up just just do yeah because

you'll hear the right thing at the right time no matter what right you'll you'll you'll internalize the right thing at the right time but it's here in these discussions where we're chatting about the reality of the program the reality of the the challenges, et cetera, that's the heart of the program. Like there's a reason you say that if you just did the basic food plan and never did anything else, you'd lose weight. Like that's true. That is forever true. But the work, the work, the, the examination, the stuff that really makes you more aware, more, more in tune with your body on a, on a sort of more profound level and more radical, if I may put it that way, level that's here. That's here. That's in Spill the Teas. That's in your lives. That's in your sessions with Dr. Dina and Dr. Beverly and all the other special guests. That's where we, I mean, I was saying this to Kim when I was meeting her last week that like, the posts are so valuable and the happy little videos of you in the set kitchen are amazing.

But this is where people do their ugly crying because someone said something magical that hit them at the right time. And it's here. Be here. You don't have to be here every day. And for the entire thing. But take the time when win you the capacity. That's my advice. That's some great advice because what,

it's the stuff that's not on paper. Exactly. It's the stuff that's not on paper. That's where the real work is, the insight, the resonating moments. And this is why I love having these segments

with very real people with a variety of different backgrounds and, you know, things that they are dealing with or working to overcome and different amounts of weights that they're looking to lose. And it's just like, I think it's that real insight from real people. I cannot let you go. And I feel like a horse's ass for even asking and putting you on the spot, but you've got

to sing a little bit for us. Just a tiny bit. Oh my goodness. Sing a little something for us. Oh my goodness. Wow. Normally you warm up for these things. Oh my goodness. Sing a little something for us. Oh my goodness. Wow. Normally you warm up for these things. I'm sure. Okay. Well, let's see if I can move back a little bit so I don't blow the mic out. Cause here's the thing with opera is that, that when you're doing, when you're learning to sing opera, what you're learning to do is turn your skull into an echo

chamber. Like, you know what it sounds like when you stand in a, in a parkade and everything goes, that's kind of what we're doing with our head, which means that we don't need mics. Okay. We're fairly loud. So I'm going to have to, uh, move back. Let's see if I can give you a, uh, something. There you go. That's my warmup. All right. Okay. You can meet the rest of my room. Oh my, why did I instantly, something happened to the mic there, but I don't, did you guys just start crying? Why do we instantly start crying when we hear, I'm crying. Why do we instantly start crying when we hear I'm crying? Why do we instantly start crying when we hear opera?

What is that about? It is. I think there's a sort of there's a profundity to the human voice when you allow yourself permission to take up space. We as women in particular, how many how young were you um you may not remember it like the actual instance but how young were you do you think when you were first told to be quiet oh i yeah just don't do that don't that's embarrassing shut sit down shut up that's i feel like i've that's the story of my life, honestly. No disrespect to my parents, but I was always too loud, too much, too everything for everybody. Yeah.

And a lot of the journey that we go on when we're learning to sing and learning to come to our voices, honestly, is allowing ourselves to take up space, give ourselves permission to be loud. We should be. We are designed as humans to have our voices carry at each other across the savannah as we team hunt. There's a reason babies are so loud. They need to be heard because they need our help. We are designed to be loud creatures. And sorry, it's the same. It's all the same stuff. It's all the same. Like you, you are, you're your body and is valid and, and allowing yourself to be where you are and who you are and where you're at is, is the key. It's all weight loss is singing is. I think it's beautiful because I think a lot of

people when they're overweight thinks that they have to make themselves small. Yeah. And that they're not worthy of taking up the space that they're entitled to take up. And now you got me. I'm going to go into the ugly cry. My goodness, Robin. What? You know, so many thanks from people who are joining us live thank you for sharing your

story you are a beautiful soul you really are um i love this conversation today i love having conversations in a way that just approach the top the same topic from a variety of different angles and um this conversation with you today was just, it was beautiful. It was wonderful. It was really nice and really insightful and very personal to you. So I just want to thank you for taking the time to share with us today. And thank you for making the space for us. This community is so open and welcoming of people's reality reality i know that a lot of the stuff that people will share in the comments and and in the teas may not be something that they would tell to like even even a close friend you know yeah because it's um it it's um personal and uh profound and that's

not think particularly as canadians uh we don't we don't love to get into that the meat of that we love we love uh small talk yeah uh and but but this is so much this this is so much more powerful to have the space to to say and explore yourself with with um community of people who will give you the space to do that. So thank you for making it. You're welcome. It is personal and it's profound. Right?

I think that's it. Drop the mic. Especially, you know, with all the work that people are doing with this program and this process. It is personal and profound. Robin Hahn, my goodness. Please let us know where we can find you. with this program and this process. It is personal and profound. Robin Hahn, my goodness, please let us know where we can find you. We can add the information to the top of the Spill the Tea segment

where they can go see you, go see your performances, where people, I know you have your Instagram account. Yes. If you don't mind, we can share. Sure. Yeah, it's, I'm at met robin han sopran which is

the german word for soprano and you just make it rhyme with han or han sopran on instagram and on youtube i make youtube about opera disability um lgbtq stuff cats and tea oh i love it uh and um yeah if you're in the vancouver area you can come say hi to myself and adept both liby losers um at the pirates of penzance uh production from the north shore light opera society um in may you can go look you hear that tony we got to book some tickets we got to yeah that'd be amazing have like a liby party like just a whole liby loser party in the audience would be amazing it'd be so cool i love it all right it's a date uh robin hon thank you so much thanks again for joining it just honestly my pleasure it's been amazing thank

you so much gina it's a joy oh my goodness come on That is going to be a whole vibe. You know, with all of these conversations, I have a sense of who I'm going to be speaking to and a little bit about their story and their journey. But, you know, when people come on, we have the opportunity to connect. And just like Robin said, it's really about connection. You know, we're all trying to wake up every day and just do our best and lose this weight finally in freaking forever and, you know, deal with all the fields and all the things that we have to work through along the way. And I just want to say again, thank you to Robin and all of our guests that we've had on and the guests we're going to have on in the next couple of weeks for really just taking the time to share.

It's not an easy thing to do. I hope that you're also enjoying this week. I know we didn't get into talking about this week with Robin, but our new tweak this week, our revamp. Kim and I are going to break it down. We're going to talk more about it tomorrow for our tweak this week conversation at 12 p.m. If you can't join us live, make sure you take time. You want to invest the time in this tweak this week because we're going to be doing it again next week. Spoiler alert.

So hopefully you will join us then. Thanks for joining me tonight. And thanks for joining me tomorrow. And thanks for joining the program and still being here in week nine. Have an amazing rest of your day, everyone. Bye.