The Livy Method Podcast - Spill the Tea - Winter 2026: Week 10 with Susanne Seglenieks

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

In this episode of Spill the Tea, Gina sits down with Susanne, who shares her 81-pound weight loss journey and the real work it took to get there, from breaking the cycle of starting over to learning how to stay the course when life throws detours. Together, they get into the mindset shifts that make change stick, the reality of falling back into old habits, and how recommitting with intention can change everything. They also have an honest conversation about using a GLP-1s alongside The Program, how it can support appetite and focus, and why it’s not a replacement for doing the work, but a tool to help reinforce it.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2026To learn more about the Livy Method, visit www.livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams for my 91 day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews, and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on ACAST, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon music. Learned to love myself a little bit more.

Just give yourself time and space. I have all the tools to adapt to whatever life throws at me. Your program is an amazing community of support. My guest today is Suzanne, who is down 81 pounds with the Libby Method. She did her first program in the fall of 2022. She did quite well. She lost 28 pounds in eight weeks. And then after that, she kind of just went on autopilot.

some of the habits crept back in, gained a little bit back and then recommitted in the fall. When her doctor also suggested that she started a GLP1, so I know a lot of people are interested in this conversation. The living method has always worked for weight loss before GLP1s were popular. You know, this program goes back 30 years. But also with the addition of GLP1s can really be a game changer, especially when it comes to food noise and getting a handle on your appetite and whatnot. So we're going to have this conversation with Sufut.

Suzanne today. I'm looking forward to it. Let's bring her on. I wasn't even going to try to do your last name. How do you say your last name? Segleni X. It's a mouthful. Yeah. Fair enough. Suzanne is fine. You know, I'm really looking forward to this when Kim told me about you. I was like, this is a really timely conversation because, you know, we're going to be winding down this current session. People may be wondering, should I continue on? Why signing up? You know, we hear of people who kind of fell off and now they're back. And, you know, we have people think you can't lose weight without a GLP1. And then people who are thinking maybe I'd lose more weight if I was on a GLP1. So thank you for coming and sharing your journey with us today. I think it's really important conversation.

Oh, thanks. I'm excited to be here to share it. So thank you. Yeah. So where do we start? Do we go back? Because, you know, you didn't really have an issue with weight from a really young age, but you started gaining weight around the age of 17. and then seems like you pretty much done all the diet since. Yeah, I tried everything. I tried everything. But I did the same thing that I always did, which was start the diet, have something I shouldn't have, blew it for the day, ate everything that I had in the house thinking, I'd finish that, and then I'll start tomorrow.

I'd get on the scale. The scale would be up. I'd be disappointed. I'd have something. And then repeat, right? Yeah. So let's go there then because, you know, the living. method where you hear me say all the time, we're trying to lose weight in a way, you're actually

going to be able to maintain and sustain. What does that mean to you in your experience? Well, what you said before with the trip to Disney, the flat tire, I was going home every time. Now I've got the mindset to keep going. I can't be on autopilot or self-driving car. I need to navigate the detours. And I think the last program and then half here for this or three quarters, that's really been what's been resonating with me is I need to control it. I can't just go back on autopilot because I saw what that did. It didn't work. Yeah. Well, if you missed it, that analogy, I haven't used that one in a while. It's been a while. Right. It has been a while. So we're all headed to Disneyland, right?

We're all headed to the same destination. Some people get out, we're all getting on the road when we start the program. Some people are driving fancy sports cars. Others people maybe they're, you know, their car's a little beat up and we're all headed in the same direction. And some people will just like zip there what seems like, you know, just a straight drive. Other people will have detours and roadblocks. Some people will stop and visit family along the way. You might get a flat tire, but what you don't do is get a flat tire and drive back home and start again. Or hit a traffic jam or a roadblock and go back home and then start again.

I mean, when you phrase it like that, it seems ridiculous. but for some reason we do this with diets all the time. Do you think it's like the idea of the fresh mindset? What, why? Like, what have you learned? Well, I think having the guest experts and listening to them and kind of putting that with the program, it's kind of making me realize, okay, like, why am I eating that? Like, yes, it's a stressful day.

Figure something else out. So that's where I think the GLP one has helped me. It's kind of taken some of that away where, I don't know, the focus. the focus is a little clearer, I would say. I'm only on a half dose. I'm not on a full dose. My doctor doesn't think I need to go on a full dose. He's quite content with kind of my performance and how I've done. But yeah, I do think that part has helped me. But it's kind of putting it all together and recognizing when I'm going for things that why. Yeah, because it doesn't, when you talk about this all the time, it doesn't like, it's not less work when you're taking a jail. Maybe you can share your experience. Maybe it was someone said, well, you have to, you have to take a

GLP1 for this to work, for example. Like, what would you say to someone if they said that? I don't think you do. For me, I think it helped. I was struggling with staying focused. And my goal is to come off the GLP1. I don't want to stay on it. I would like to kind of, you know, wean myself off. And that's my doctor's plan with me as well. But no, I don't, I don't think you need to have the GLP1. Does it help some people? Yeah, it does. Help me. And in what way? Maybe you can help describe. And again, we're not trying to talk someone into this. But I think sometimes people think in their back mobile, I could take a GLP1. Obviously, this is a conversation for your own health care provided. But in what ways would you describe that it's helped you? It's definitely taken some of like,

I would call the cravings away. So like maybe where I would be more apt to wanting something, It seems to have helped with that, though also once you get going on the program and you've kind of eliminated that that also tends to go away, right? So, but I think in the earlier part, yeah, it helped with the craving pieces. I definitely feel full a little faster. Now, again, I've also had gastric bypass surgery when I was like in 2011. So that's also there with that full feeling. So not that I do rice and pasta.

a lot, but when I do have it, man, do I feel it? You notice. What's been the hardest thing about taking a GLP1, would you say? I've been very fortunate. Side effects-wise has not really been awful, but the bathroom, diarrhea. A little bit of that. That probably be the worst. Yeah, and you mentioned that you joined a squad that was specific to like a group of people who are taking GLP ones and doing the method? Yeah, GLP1 and done. So it's great because everybody's kind of in the same boat, right? So it's a good little resource. Yeah. And what's the conversation in there? Like how would it be different? Well, sometimes it's just things like sharing some of the recipes or talking about the recipes that were put on and you're like, hey, I made this. This is really good. Or try this tweak on something or,

you know, just, hey, I didn't know that it was only on a half dose. I thought that was a simple dose. I never really knew that until I asked the question in the group. They're like, yeah, that's for a half dose. So I had that conversation with my doctor after the fact. But, you know, things like that, just different. What are the side effects? What are you experiencing with that? Like, some people have the opposite and are constipated. So, you know, it's kind of runs a gamut depending on, I guess, which medication, because everybody is on different ones as well, right? Yes. Yeah. Let's go back to, you know, 2011. So where were you at? What was the, what was the decision to get the gastric bypass if you don't mind sharing? Yeah, I was at that point quite heavy pushing 360. So I was, I was big.

Everything I tried wasn't working. My health was kind of why I decided to do it. And it did work very well for me. And I did keep most of the weight off, but I didn't gain back about 55 pounds. But I never, ever, ever, ever got out of the 200s when I was doing that. I always was over. So, you know, I'm 175 today. That's the lowest I have been since I was probably 19, 20 years old. Yeah. Have you been reflecting?

Like you talk about the guest experts on why you gain the weight back or sort of what your issues were. I know you had done the program back in 2022. And then you kind of went on autopilot and gained a little bit of weight back. Have you kind of sorted out why that happened or, or what the reason is behind that? So, I think so. So the,

Sandra's class, the food addiction, I'm taking that as well. Yeah, how is that? It's really good. So I haven't been able to hit the Wednesday evenings, the lives all the time, but I'm doing the program. And I find it's very helpful.

So, you know, I do see that I have some food addiction tendencies in there. And I think that's probably where that came through, right? that's the low at mindset, finish it, eat everything. Start like, and I'm kind of starting to put those points together. For me, it's, I really am understanding a lot of the mind connections to it now. And that's something that is important to me. And I don't, I need to know that in order for myself to be successful later. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. What are you concerned about? What are you specifically working on or concerned about knowing? because that's the big conversation. GLP ones can be game changers, but no one has a fix for being able to maintain and sustain because we know that when people take them,

they just, the majority of people just eat less of what they were eating before and not actually changing their habits. So do you find you have to work extra hard to change your habits? Or like where you're putting your focus and you're concerned to make sure that you don't gain the way back? So I think it's a combo. I think it's listening to the guest experts

and trying to figure out some of those things. But I do think I am really, focusing also on what I'm eating, right? So I'm making sure that I'm focusing on all the meals and snacks. And I do have to set timers on my phone to make sure that I stop to eat because sometimes I forget, right? I'm not hungry and it's important. So, you know, I'm trying to do those, those things because I don't want to gain the weight back. I would like to come off the GLP one. I'm not, you know, the pressure isn't there that it's a half to, but I'd like to. Yes. But I don't want to have the slip after. So I'm really working on that side of it. And I think that's also the mindset shift that was

different for me when I started in the fall. I needed to focus on my help. And that came first and foremost, where before it was always, oh, I want to lose weight. I want to lose weight. But this time around, it was, I need to focus on my health. I'm 55 now. I don't want to be not able to take a trip and walk somewhere. I don't want to have knee pain and back pain and things like that. So that was my big shift in mind in fall 2025. Yeah, this last fall is that because you kind of assumed that the GLP1 would do its job so it would allow you more to focus on your health rather, your health and your

rather than weight loss? I think so. I think that's actually, that's fair. Yeah, I would say that that was a big help for me for that to focus that way. Yeah, but that's a mindset shift too, right? Like that's, like it's great that you could think, oh, well, I got it in the bag with my gLP one so now i can just focus on health but in reality taking a g lp one or not choosing to focus on your health rather than focus the pressure of the weight loss can be like that can

it's all about what keeps you coming back right or how to you stick with doing what you need to do yeah yeah the health thing was big just seeing you know i care for my mom uh yeah you're house so she's 90 so you know there's a lot of care for that as well but seeing kind of that she didn't when she was at my age now, didn't do exercise, didn't do strength training, didn't do those things. And, you know, I don't want to be in that boat. So I'm trying to improve so that, you know, I'm not there later in life. Yeah. I was actually thinking I've invited a friend. She has a podcast about caregiving. And I invited her to come off. She's like, well, I'm not one of the specialists. I'm like, no, but you talk to so many people and her herself as a

caregiver and trying to reach goals or do things while you're caring for someone is a whole other layer of, you know, it just adds a lot to trying to make time and make room for you. There's that pressure you see it in your face, what you don't want to be with the same time. It's hard for you to do the things you need to do. Yeah. Yeah. And it's hard to put yourself first to focus on those things. And that's also been a bit of a shift for me again because thinking of my health, putting myself in a position of, okay, I really do need to look at me now. I can't. I need to be the best to be good for everybody else, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you might, so your doctor knew at the living method or did you have to tell him? He did. You know what? I think I might have

mentioned it a couple of years ago, but I don't think you remembered that. But when I told him, when I was talking to him this time around, I had said, hey, you know, this is what I'm looking at doing. And he said, absolutely. He said, there's no way that I would give you a GLP. one if you weren't following a program that would help you and be, you know, a good eating plan of how you're going to look at things and how you're going to work through, work through things and issues and make sure that I'm eating properly and exercising. So that's new to. I'm the last month. I've been doing weights. So every four or five days, I think we can kind of have it down now. My son and I go down and we're working out. I love that. I love that. I'm going to ask you what

you did what you got into, but you mentioned menopause just kind of glanced over it a bit there. Yeah, because you're at that age, you're 55 now. You would have gone through those years where you first did the living method. You're probably in perimenopause then and or dealing with it at the time. And do you now look back and be like, oh, maybe I didn't just like fall back into old habits. Maybe it was something more. You'll think some of it was probably a little bit of that. Menopause was a lot of fun. I think I'm now on that, you know, downward out of it, but I would just break into a sweat no matter where I was. It was awful. It would just pour off my face. And yeah, you know, that's embarrassing when

you're somewhere and it's just, it's just running, right? But yeah, that was my worst symptom of it, I think, and the short fuse. Yeah. Super edgy. I just saw a comment come up here, Lori. She's like, I missed the first few minutes, but I'm already in love with her, of course. I'm struggling so hard going back on Ozempic, feeling like a failure because I put all the weight I lost back on after going off it. I'm going back on. First, I want to say this is, it's so normal.

Like this is where almost you need to be more self-aware, more in tune, more mindful, because they don't like, even the people who sell it and make it and study it, know that that's exactly what's going to happen unless you make those lifestyle change. changes. But I just want to say before I ask you what you think about this, Suzanne, it's so normal. It's probably not that you just went off it. Maybe the stress, something happened to cause you to fall back into old habits. It's never just like lack of, it wasn't lack of willpower, I'm sure, that caused you to gain that weight back. Because that could be a stark contrast from going on it to all of a sudden that food noise comes back. That could be a situational change, right? Just want to say that.

But what advice do you have for Lori for that? Exactly as you're saying. Like it's probably something that has come up. Definitely, if it was a help to you before, give it a go again. I mean, you never give up on yourself, right? Always get yourself out there and do what's best for you and your health. Again, it's focusing on the why. Yeah.

That I think is the really big, big thing and really not going on autopilot. At least that's for me. It's not going on autopilot afterwards. I have to stay in control of that car. Yeah. And that's where you want to do things. So people say, oh, we have to do this again with the living method and again. You want to keep doing it again so it becomes automatic because, you know, let's say you

put three years into doing the living method and, you know, but spent 40 years of your life dieting in a certain way or functioning another, right? Like eventually, yeah, you're going to switch over, but it's going to take a while. It's not, it's not one of those things where you just lose the weight and then all, even if you do a couple programs, you're like, oh, this is the way. my brain is wired. It takes a lot of work to keep that up. I don't want to like sound like a downer, but it's mindfulness doesn't, it doesn't. It doesn't. It takes a lot of work, but it doesn't. If you just choose to live in a way where you are mindful, self-aware, you kind of recognize.

What do you do whenever you, whenever you go, did you learn kind of if you go off track? Like, what are you doing to make sure that that doesn't happen? Maybe that's a great conversation for Lori. Yeah. So I have had a few times that birthday has come up and I have been, planned, I am going to have the cake tonight because it's a birthday and I'm going to celebrate. So I think it's planning for me. It's going, okay, this is coming up. Just because you're going to have cake at dinner doesn't mean that today's a free-for-all. Before, it probably would have been.

And now it's like, no, I need to plan and look and see, okay, I'm going to have that. But that means I've got to get myself going. So it's applying those things to it. Yeah. Applying, yeah, it's not just like learning about it. It's actually applying and being an intentional. Do you journal? Like, what do you do to be intentional? Well, I don't journal other than I set my intentions for the day. Okay. So the old app used to have where you go just like pick. And I think I glossed over it a little bit when it was like that. So now that I actually have to each day type it out, I do think it's really good. So that for me, setting the intentions in the morning is huge. I do that. I go back and I'm honest with my. myself at the end of the day, where did I land on these? Because that's a big thing of not just going, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm, I need to look at, okay, did you get all your water in today? Not today. So tomorrow, get your water in. Yeah. What kind of inside? So water's an intention,

obviously. What other kind of types of intentions do you set? So I set typically things for like water and making sure I'm getting my meals and snacks, kind of standard. But I'll put in things like, especially on a Saturday or Sunday, I put in Meatime. And I know you're having the gentleman from Bathorium, come on. I have some of their products. They're amazing. And it's like, you know what? I'm taking the time. I got my audiobook. I'm going up. I'm going to relax. And that's my time to just chill out. So I put MeTime in there or different things like that. If I've got something going on, traveling for work, I'll put, you know, do the best that you can do today with what's going on. And even that is planning too. So it's planning and applying. Okay, you're going to be in a hotel

for a few days. Let's make sure you get a protein shake for breakfast because I know lunch and dinner might be a little bit different. And I know it's not the best of breakfasts, but it's a better way to make sure I'm getting started. I went all over town looking for bananas at the last place I went away too because of them that. I need a morning snack. I need, Like, you know, so it was planning and applying that plan. Yeah, making an effort to be making, making, like it being intentional. I don't want to say making an effort because, again, that just makes you sound like you're lazy or just don't have willpower, but being intentional. Yeah, intentional.

So you mentioned working out. Is that new? Like, what I want to know. Like, do you take supplements? Do you work out? Like, what's your secret sauce? So I am working out with, with weights of strength training. Again, it's four, sometimes five days a week.

go down for about a half an hour and do different things. So my sons have one of those cable, I don't know what they're like a cage and you have cables and weights and stuff. So it's great. So we're using that. I don't know what the official name is for that. And then dumbbells and things like that. So doing those kind of weights and I can feel and see the difference in that already.

Like picking things up is easier. Love it. So doing those kind of things there with the with the weights. So that's been a really good start for me. And it's about a month, I'd say. that I've been doing that. Nice. What about supplements, creatine? Like, what do you take?

Haven't I taking creatine? I take collagen in my coffee every morning. So that's a given there. And then I have a multivitamin, a B12, D, and omega-3, and a probiotic. Nice. Yeah. So those are kind of my set ones that I take. Those are your set.

What else? What else? If I was to ask you what your secret sauce is besides JLP one, obviously that, you know, factors in. But if you were to take that apart, what would you say, where, where's, like, what is, if you were to give someone like the top three things that they must do to be successful, what would that be? For me, I, you're my coffee date in the morning. So I make my coffee get my, you know, college in in there. I go sit down. I listen to the check-in. That's the first thing I do. So that's number one. It motivates, motivates me for the day. I kind of see what's going

on and then I can read through the, you know, what the changes are this week or what's going on. I try very hard not to look forward, even though I've done a program and kind of know what's coming. I really focusing on what's going on today as opposed to focusing on, you know, later. Yes, I have goals, but I need to look at kind of what's going on just right now. So, yeah, I think that's one of them. And then the guest experts are huge, listening to those guests, guests, experts are a big must. What's been the one that's most impactful?

Do you remember a conversation that maybe someone listening can go back and listen to where you're like, oh, that conversation was like a game changer for me? Dr. Beverly's capture cancel correct. That was very, very good. You kind of look at and go, okay, I see where I'm doing that behavior that I shouldn't be doing. I see where I'm doing that. Let's kind of rein that in. So that's one that I really enjoyed listening to.

and what's the other one? Dr. Sean, I think you had on. That might have been last. Sean Morton, yeah. He was really, really good, too, listening to that. And I like the recipes. So I've tried so many of those recipes that have come out. I'm like, oh, so that, like the keesh slash frittata with the zucchini, that's like.

Right. Yes. Yes. I was actually going to make it today. It was so easy. I love Alyssa. Her recipes are really great. I'm just reading this comment from Aaron.

This has made my year. I've been back and forth with going back on G. LP one. This is my seventh program, but this is the only one I've gotten this far and have followed everything. I'm exercising five to six days a week, keeping on plan. I am down 20 pounds for the 70 to 80 I want to lose. I want to say thank you for this conversation has helped with the decision to go back on, but still be in tune with my body and give myself grace as well. Stop the sabotage. Journaling has helped a ton and setting boundaries for myself with others. So it sounds like that that sabotage and setting boundaries with yourself and others, how does that factor in for you?

Like, what are you saying to people who, you know, are you having conversations with people about what you're doing? How do you, do you find you how to set boundaries? It's not too, too bad for boundaries, I guess. I am a, I know I am. I'm like, sure, I can do that. Sure, that's just my personality. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, there are times where I was like, no, okay, you know what, I need some help. Can you help with this? Can I, can I? I, you know, so I am trying to do a little bit more of that type of thing in terms of like setting boundaries and stuff like that. Yeah. What about sabotage? I know you have that kind of like the spiral mentality all or nothing,

but do you have sabotage come up for you? Not with the gLP one. So that's probably a big thing for me where that's kind of helped. It hasn't, it's let me focus on the mental. side of things of doing that capturing, cancelling and correcting it. So I guess maybe that. Oh, I love that. Yeah, Dr. Beverly David is actually going to put together a seminar just based on the capture cancel corrective part of it. So when taking the JLP ones, you don't have that same food noise. Do you still notice that the opportunity to capture cancel correct still pops up, though? Yeah, it does because there has, like, we have cookie jar on the counter. And there's times where I

looked at it and went, oh, should I have one of those? Why am I going to have one of those? Do I really want one of those? So at least now I'm stopping and asking myself where before I would just open the cookie jar and have the cookie, which there are days when then you need that. But this is helping. I want to ask you two questions. What would you to say words of wisdom for someone thinking about taking a GLP1? And the second question of words of wisdom for someone already taking a GLP1? considering it, I guess, depends. I definitely have a conversation with your doctor because that's just first and foremost, right?

I guess, I guess it depends on how much you need to lose to maybe. Like, as somebody who just needs 10 pounds isn't really going to need a GLP1, but somebody who has a higher amount of weight to lose, it definitely helps with kind of a bit of a jump start, gets you going. and then I think the motivation comes thereafter. So maybe that. And for somebody already on it, just keep rocking it and doing it. And hopefully you're being successful on it.

And if not, really stop and look at the why and the mindset to that why. Love that. And for people who aren't taking a jail, P1, maybe in the same situation where you were, you lost 25 pounds in eight weeks, you didn't think you really needed to sign up for the next one. You got this. You fell back into old habits. what would you like to say there? Complete the program.

Just do the things. Wow. I was going to say that to Aaron who shared here because it's so important to finish the program. You mentioned that in your value of importance. Why did you mention that? Well, because the fall 2025 program was the first one that I finished. The other one I started and stopped after the eight weeks. And I've done a few programs since then.

But sometimes it's a day. Sometimes it was a week. And I just gave up on myself. I didn't put myself first. So finish the program. Just keep doing the things. You blow it one day or one meal that doesn't end it. Just pick your socks, back up, back up, get on the train again tomorrow and just, or right away.

And just go, right? Like don't feel like that's going to cancel everything. Just do the things because it's magic and it works. if you do things. Yeah, it works if you work it rather than taking a JLP one or not. Suzanne, thank you so much for your candor, like your honesty for sharing your story for being here. I appreciate you. I'm so excited for you. What's next for you? What's next for you? So I am five pounds from the goal I set for this program. But after looking at things, I think I think 10, maybe 15 pounds more. I'm not super focused on that scale. Again, which is kind of a bit of a

Miracle, I always was such a focus on the number on the scale person. And now it's like, so it's the same today. So it went up a half. So it went to you know, like it's, I know it's, I know it's going to go down. The little graph shows me that. It goes down. It does some wonky things, but it continues to go down. So yeah, I think I might 10, maybe 15 pounds more. And I think I'll be quite happy at that. I think it'll be a good weight for me. I'm 5'9. So, you know, the 165 range is probably pretty good for me. Yeah. You're feeling. good. Yeah, I'm feeling me. I love that. I love that. Well, I'm going to follow back up with you and see where you're at. Awesome. Yeah, for sure. I'll see over the maintenance program, maybe. Okay, definitely.

You're ready for it. Thanks, Suzanne. I definitely will. Thank you so much. Thanks. Bye. Oh, my gosh. I think it's important conversation. I'm so glad that she took the time to share. I know a lot of people, there's always a lot of talk in GLP1s. I want to remind people the living method works well before GLP1s, you know, came on the market in the way that they did. And it always will work. as a healthy, sustainable way to lose weight. And I just want to reiterate, too. And I know Suzanne says this, and you can read her bio that we posted the other day, is not any less work.

It can maybe help with that food noise, get a handle, help with appetite. But then you've got to do work in other places to make it sustainable and maintainable. And this is why everyone is welcome here at the Libby Method. And I love that. She took the time to share this conversation with us. And we are, gosh, we have such a busy week this week. Tomorrow, Dr. Sean Rice is going to join us. We're going to talk about skin and weight.

loss, especially where JLP ones are concerned. There's a new conversation popping up there that I want to talk to him about. And then Greg from Bathorium, which he mentioned that Keith's got really great products. Not that we're trying to sell you anything, but we're going to have a great conversation on self-care. And then Cynthia Lloyd, who you might recognize as one of the hosts from the socials. He's going to join us on Friday where we're going to talk about finding joy and pleasure. So that's going to be a good conversation. That might be a bit of a spicy conversation. We should have had maybe Friday night, but we're having it Friday morning 9 a.m. as a bonus live. Thanks for joining me tonight. Everyone, everyone, if you're going to join me for the 7 p.m.

Live, I'm going to shut her down. I'm going to cancel that. So I feel fresh for all my other conversations. So I will see you all tomorrow. Thanks for joining us. Bye.