The Livy Method Podcast - Spill the Tea - Winter 2026: Week 4 with Barb Guay

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

In this episode of Spill the Tea, Gina Livy sits down with Barb Guay, a 54-year-old member of the Livy Community, for a refreshingly honest conversation about a lifetime of dieting, mindset shifts, and what sustainable weight loss really looks like. Barb opens up about starting diets far too young, chasing quick fixes, and spending decades “working to lose weight,” before finally finding a process that feels supportive, realistic, and grounded in self-trust. With humour, humility, and a lot of heart, this episode highlights why real change is about more than food, how community can change everything, and why learning to show up for yourself differently can be the most powerful win of all.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2026To learn more about the Livy Method, visit www.livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Gina Livy and welcome to the Livy Method podcast. This is where you'll have access to all of the live streams for my 91 day weight loss program. With a combination of daily lives, guest expert interviews and member stories, there is something new almost every day. Miss the morning live? Want to re-listen to one of our amazing guest experts? Well, this is the place. This podcast is hosted on ACAST, but it's available on all podcast platforms, including the one you're listening to right now, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon music.

Learned to love myself a little bit more. Just keep yourself time and space. I have all the tools to adapt to whatever life throws at me. Your program is an amazing community of support. Welcome to our first spill the tea segment of, oh my goodness, look at the lipstick. I got in my teeth. Crazeness, I should look in the mirror. Anyways, we're real around here.

And that's what these segments are all about. Give me a second to take this off. They are about talking to real people about their very real journeys. I always say it all the time. There's one thing for me to sit up here and tell you what you're supposed to do and share my knowledge. We hear from guest experts who seem to have it all together. But there's nothing like talking to real members.

And we don't sugarcoat. So we don't pick people who've been super, super successful. Everybody has a story. We're going to have a variety of different and amazing members join us, sharing their stories over the next few weeks. Today we're starting off with Bar, I can't get over this lipstick on my teeth, but just bear with me. Barb is, she's 54, she's from Hanover, Ontario, and she's no, stop like Tony's, Tony's looking at me. It's bad, eh? Can you get me like a Kleenex or something? Anyway, let's get back to Barb, because that's who we're here to talk to. Barb's 54. She has a very

typical story, right? Started dying when she was younger. Her mom kind of got her into it, but looking back, She's like, probably didn't have a weight issue at all. She's done all the diets and she was very successful during one particular diet. So I want to talk to her about that. There's a couple of things. And I was reading over a bio, she said. Sustainable weight loss is driven as much by mindset as by food and movement. So she's currently on her third program.

And then there's another sentence here where she shares about her life and she said, I had two children, gained a whack away with both, but worked to try to lose the weight. I think that sums up my adult years working to lose weight. And this is just building on my live on Monday where we don't want to spend the rest of our lives trying to lose this weight. And God forbid not be successful at the end. Anyway, enough of me. I'm going to scrape my teeth while we introduce Barb. Hi.

Hello. Hello. And it's really nice to meet you and be able to chat with you today. It's lovely to meet you too. So what, I mean, we asked people to come on. What was your thoughts when we asked you to come doing this today? Holy fuck. That was my thought. I can't believe they're asking me. This is crazy. I'm nobody. So, yeah. Oh my gosh. You are so, you're so somebody. Okay. So I want to get right into your backstory. So this is your third program. You did our spring program actually started a little bit

late, six days behind. So you're working behind. So I would definitely want to talk to you about that. then you had to bridge the gap in the summer. You know, there's a big gap. And we have a plan for people, but, you know, we're not even close to that yet, but that came back in the fall, got your sister to join with you. And then here you are now. So why the living method? Let's start with that.

Well, it's because, and I hadn't even heard of this realistically. And you're all over the internet, which is so weird that I didn't hear of it. There's a friend of mine named Mike who he works at a store in Walkerton and he sings in a performing group called Sing and they do performances every spring and every fall. And so I had decided I was going to the spring thing. He went to high school with me and he was always into singing and dancing and drama and stuff. So I know he's really good. And when I went to see him like, Mike, tell me you're healthy because he was so skinny. And Mike, his sorry Mike, I'm going to say it if you're listening.

We called him Wiggles in high school. Not because he was overly big. He was just anything that you can think about, like even think about the Wiggles. He was just so lov-dovey and squeezy. And he's the guy I always wanted to dance with it. The school dances and stuff because he could really dance. And he's just a great guy.

So we call them Wiggles also because he just, he was a little bit poorly. But he was really skinny. And he told me all about your program and how he and his wife, Trixie, have been doing it for a couple of years and maybe a few years actually. And he just looked fantastic. And his skin collar was fantastic. And he was like really moving fast at his job. And so I'm like, tell me, tell me, tell me. And I stood there buying tickets from him while he was working. I think I was

there for about 40 minutes talking with him. And then I went home and looked it up and signed up right away. And so you were six days behind. So were you cool with that? You just followed along. You just followed along at your own pace. Yeah, I did. And I, because I'm, uh, you talk about the A type personalities. Yeah. So I had to read everything and I had to see everything and I just, I wasn't ready to jump forward. And plus I had made the decision. I'm doing something for 2025. My daughter and I, uh, for New Year's resolutions. And I know you say, don't make resolutions. We did. For 25, we said, um, let's lose weight together. And we both have birthdays in April. So we had decided we were going to lose 10 pounds by our April birthdays. And she didn't, but I did because I had decided.

I'm sick of how I feel. I'm sick of how I look. I'm sick of how my clothes fit me. Let's do it. Yeah, because you lost 10 pounds before you even got into the program. So you were doing great on your own. Well, I was doing okay, but I knew that I was going to be stuck. And then when Mike was telling me all these things,

I'm like, oh, this is resonating really deeply with me because the things that you teach are things that I believed in things I used to teach years ago when I was doing weight loss programs for people up north. And everybody thought it was cuckoo. And then you're saying very similar things. Like, oh my God, I love this woman. I love this program. I got to get in.

So here we are. Everyone thought I was cuckoo too along the way. I bet. Yeah, we were just ahead of our time. I do want to get into the weight loss programs and stuff that you did. But let's talk about it. It's your first program you mentioned in your bio. And if you haven't read Barb's bio, it's available in our guide.

So you can go check it out after the segment you want to read more about her. First program you did quite well. You lost 17 pounds. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. I found it super duper easy to follow. And I'm not, I know some people don't find it easy. I just did. So I was ready. I was mentally, totally ready to dive in and say, fuck everything and do it. Just do it. You just committed to it. Like just did it. Yeah. Okay. And then second program, nine pounds, which is great. But definitely more of them, you mentioned more of a mental. You noticed the chef day. The first time is very physical. Second time, very mental. Because the, the body, our nose of routines. What was that like for you? It was, it was very, almost disturbing at times because it was, it's the same program

over and over, but it's just like you said, I had whole fresh eyes and I'm reading the same, well, it's not exactly the same, but similar articles each time and going, oh, and then I flip back and see in the first, oh, that was there. I just didn't, I wasn't ready for that yet. I was ready for, you know, this layer or not, you know, this layer. Oh, I love that you say that, right? Because someone said this to me the other day, like, don't people get tired of the same thing over and over? And I'm like, well, it's, first of all, the body loves routine and we need repetition before we actually like things become routine.

And the program stays the same. And of course, there's all sorts of stuff, as you know, we do to keep it fresh. But you change. You change. This is why if it's your second or 20 second program, don't be like, oh, I already read that. I already know that because you're going to pick up on things that are different based on where you're at or remember some old things that you totally forgot about. Totally. And it might even be an age thing too that I've stopped thinking I know it. Yeah, same.

Yeah. Same. Like I don't, you know, don't try to be everything for everybody. And I don't know. I want to stay open and learn. You are 54. So you've gone through the menopause? I haven't had my one year yet.

Oh, it's coming. But it's, oh, it's been close twice. It's coming. There's, there were some other weird, gynecological, awesome things happening. Well, basically, you know, it's really crazy because I, I'm divorced and I'm remarried. And it was basically like right when I met my new husband. So, we were dating and, you know, loving each other. And then the proverbial shit hit the fan. And I was seeing specialists for our entire relationship. Yeah, because you were with your first husband. And so you moved to, you're from like a smaller town.

You moved away from your family to be with your husband. It didn't work out between the two of you, but the two of you decided to stay together. Well, in the same, in the same town. Yeah, in the same town. But still away from your family. Yeah. And then you meet your new guy and you decided kind of to move back, but that's during COVID. Mm-hmm.

And also like the height of kind of like being in it with the menopause symptoms. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty, pretty cuckoo. I had just gone through a short time of normal test results. And the doctor up north said, just find somebody down there. You'll be good. You just need to have, you know, one more normal test.

And I think you're going to be, you know, good to go. And, of course, that didn't happen. Yeah. And so luckily, I was referred to an amazing. amazing gynecologist in Owen Sound. And she's just been, I had great doctors up north too, but she's just been remarkable. I've, you know, just to kind of go down that little road. Since I moved down here, again, I have been totally surrounded by amazing female medical

professionals. Nice. Totally. Not that the male ones up north weren't great because they were. And I worked with them because I worked in healthcare up north. But man, it's so nice to have some female doctors when you're a female. Well, and what a good time. That sounds so weird to say that, but what a good time because the conversation has really opened up, right? People are more open. They're more knowledgeable. Yeah. No, there's always been great gynaecologist, of course, but it's a very nuanced and complex conversation as you enter, as you enter, I mean, any stage of menopause at this point. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, okay, so you've been able to lose weight. Yep.

And now you're on your third program. And you're on your third program. Yes. How's that going for you? Are you exercise? Like, okay, you are. But not like crazy. I don't do. My daughter does Olympic weightlifting. And, oh, my God, I can't even hold the bar because my, my shoulders don't allow me to get into that position. And so, and it's funny because my sister who's in the program, two of her daughters are in

the program with us. And my mom's in the program, too. So hi, everybody. Big shout out to the whole freaking family. But so there's some, there's some serious weightlifters in our family. And I'm not one of them. I can not even close. So your mom's in the program?

Yeah. Okay. Let's talk. How old is she? 81. Oh, I love that. Hi, Mom. So let's talk about this because that was like I've met so many women who were introduced to Weight Watchers at such a young age because dieting used to be a language.

Yeah. Like it was like now there's like diet dialogue and all of that and we know how much starving depriving all of that calories in versus calories out. You know the need to be perfect and look amazing and all that. but like it was just casual conversation language back then. You just like anything you want to work out, you seek out a personal trainer. You know, you want help on something.

You seek out whatever people are offering there. And so what's your mom say? I mean, she's been, she's been around for a really long time. She's seen a lot of diet come and go. Oh, yeah. So,

and you know what's funny is when we were kids, she was leading, I think it was called talks. And she was leading the program. in Formosa. And she led weight loss or weight exercise classes in Formosa as well. I remember on the little mini trampolines. Yeah. So it's been around forever in our family. And I think I'm the only one who actually hurt her. Everybody else just probably went, yeah, whatever, there's nothing wrong with this. And then I'm the one going, I need everything she's saying. Yeah. And so you and you kind of follow

suit. So you did, I mean, you did, you did a variety of diets. And you did, you did, uh, Herbal Life for a bit. I don't know a lot of herbal life, but I would imagine that's probably just making sure your body is getting the nutrients that it needs. I mean, I don't know, but that seemed to work really well for you and for a really long time. And I don't, does it still exist? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it does. And I think that most people confuse herbal life with herbal magic. Yeah. And herbal magic is, this is not, herbal life is not herbal magic at all. It's actually based on very similar ideas to what you teach. and your different experts that come in what they teach. It's about real food and being,

just putting healthy things in your body and real natural things and not processed garbage, basically. And so, and it did work for a while, but I was doing, they have shakes. So meal replacement shakes. Yes. And that's great. And they did.

They worked great for me. And I was doing some of the supplements, which would be like some omega-3s, but really a little high, end than say Jameson, you know, stuff like that. So I did those things and they worked and it worked like amazingly. I lost 40 pounds on the program and I was I was teaching. That was back when the biggest loser was a hit on TV. Yeah. So my little programs were called the biggest loser too. And it was like $25 for 12 weeks. It was super cheap. Just how your program is very inexpensive. And I, in my, I had people

on chairs. I had folding chairs in my kitchen and we talked about stuff. And I flew all over North America. herbal life learning about health and wellness and basically how to push their products, but also how to lead health classes. And it worked. And then it didn't. It was just like, it was like that. Just, it's just stopped. Do you think it was menopause looking back? Like, do you think it was like, no, like stress, sleep, menopause, like. I think it was all a lot of all of that. And I don't know how. I don't know if I shouldn't say this. Just say it. You definitely should say it. How great is it to actually put powder in your food and eat powder every day? And they say, I know herbal, I never dug into the science of what exactly is that powder.

But they kept saying it was real, real food and powder format. So then now I'm eating real food in real food format. And it's amazing. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that, I think nutrient wise, it could have been sound. I don't know. But I think it's just a matter. It's habits, right? And it's like once you go off the the shakes or the meals in certain calories, then you haven't really learned anything that's sustainable.

I was actually just watching a clip today online. It was talking about set point and how it's so hard to reduce your set point. When people get gastric bypass, it helps because their stomach's actually smaller, which affects their hunger hormones. Whereas if you take a just take a GLP one, it's not doing that. So the minute that you stop taking it, you gain that weight back. But the reality is it just, it takes a lot of time to retrain your body and rewire your hormones and then retrain your mind along with it. I know when you, so you mentioned that when you first went into the program, your first program, you didn't really want to say anything about it because you're like, you felt like, well, you should know what to do. But you do know what to do.

Yeah. Yeah, that was, I don't know. I was kind of dumb, but whatever. I see other people who comment and say, I'm afraid to comment. I'm thinking, yeah, I know. I know. I was too. But why?

It's so silly because we're all the same. We're all just people trying to, you know, be better. And so I don't have a lot of really insightful things to say. Like some people, when I read the comments in the morning and the stuff they say is like, wow. I love what you're saying. I can't quite say it like that. But I would, you know, here's a hug. I think it's like some people really.

That's what makes them be in it. I think just even just popping in it, creating routine or just liking a comment or whatever. But, you know, this is sort of like, you know, we all know years ago when I, my kind of, I struggled a bit with my weight when life is stressful and whatever. It's not that we don't know what to do. Sometimes we just need, you know, some motivation, some support, some structure, a system. Something a little different, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something that's really refreshing about this program is I don't look at my hands anymore to see, yeah, that's a half cup. Oh, yeah, that's a serving. Yeah, I don't do any of that anymore. I just look at how am I feeling today.

And for breakfast, for instance, I have my favorite breakfast. It is lactose-free Greek yogurt with some frozen strawberries that I thought out in the microwave. And so nasty seeds sprinkled on top and a little spoon of the powdered peanut peanut. butter, the PB and I can't remember what it's called. Anyway, that is my favorite. And I put it in the bowl thinking, this is what I'm going to eat today for breakfast. In some days, I finish it. And some days I don't. But in the past, I would have gone, yep, there's my half cup, put that in there. And oh, here's my one teaspoon of these nuts. And here's my one teaspoon of this. And I don't do that. It's so, it's just like a whole weight lifted off, not having to think about that anymore.

It's just thinking about, okay, am I present? And am I thinking about how I'm really feeling? Okay, go eat something that's, you know, healthy. And that's just becomes who you are, right? So I'm sure you can taste it and feel it, you know, what you need. I like something that you said here about, you know, after doing the spring program. And even though you just did the fall program, that summer 2025 was one of your most favorite summers of your life. I felt so good about myself and so happy in my skin. Absolutely. I was wearing, okay, so I live on a very small corner lot in Hanover, and we have, I joke that it's like 10 feet of yard.

It's probably 12 feet, but it's a very small yard. And when I grew up on a farm in the country, we had like, you know, tons and tons of space to run and play. And my dad always put up an above ground pool every year, like one of the round ones that was, you know, up to about your. your stomach or whatever. And so I want a pool so badly, but I don't have any space. So my daughter and I went out and bought one of those little kitty pools. Yeah. So I put my pool up this summer and I spent a lot of time outside in a bikini in my pool.

Those are awesome. Those little pools have come a long way. Yeah. And do you know what I was listening to, Gina? The Spotify mix that you put together in the spring and the one that you put together during the break. Yeah. That was on my phone all the time. And dancing and yeah it was just a really good feeling and it was nice and warm this summer too which was helpful oh i love that it's and you went back and listened to old segments to have guest experts oh yeah yeah on my walks that's what i would listen to yeah so what's next for you what's next for you well on uh friday morning i fly to mexico oh nice um kick ass bikinis my sister and i went shopping last week and we both bought some really sexy bikinis.

She's doing really well on the program too. I don't believe she had anything to lose, but she's feeling really great about herself. And we were trying on bikinis. And it was the funniest thing because we went to Cambridge to the Le Villarro's outlet. They have some great suits. Oh my God.

Everyone goes to Bikini Village, but Leviro, they really know a woman's body. Oh, yeah. They have some great, great suits, great coverage and great. shapes. Yeah, we went to town, spent a little bit. I won't say how much we spent because how did he told me not to tell her husband. But when they put us in the change rooms, the change rooms are like at the back of the store. And mine was like right in line with the front door.

So we're putting, we had bikinis and bras and stuff. And I'm like, la-di-da, walking around giving everybody a show, the two of us were doing this, walking around everywhere and half naked. I love it. It was awesome because a year ago, I wouldn't know. have done that. I would have been covering myself up in the change room. Yeah. It's just pretty awesome. It's a good feeling. Nice. So where are you at? Are you a squad leader? I am a squad leader. And because you've been putting some the squad stuff out, my little squad has been growing nicely. I have two squads. One is just a private one with Heidi and her two daughters. And the other one is is more public. It's a Facebook group. And so my mom's in the other one. And I've got my co-worker

for Nancy, who is actually right behind this wall. Hey, Nancy. Yeah, hi, Nancy. And then some, some local girls who are from Gray and Bruce in Wellington County. Well, I see Diana. Here's Barb. Great to put a face to my group leader. Congratulations on your success. So let's talk about this, right? Because people have reached out and be like, well, why would I, why be a squad leader or whatever? So what made you want to, I mean, obviously, this is in you, right? Like, this is what you do. So how's it been? It has been so much. fun. And it's since you've been putting stuff on and I'm reaching out in the, the, um, on the Facebook group and people are reaching back out to me. Actually just today,

a new person, Glenn, asked if she could join the group because she's the local girl too. So she just joined our group today. And but it's nice because, um, I don't necessarily want to, it be a big leader of everybody, but I really, um, it's really hard moving to a new town. Even though it's my old hometown stopping ground, I'm still new girl. I, I'm sorry to everybody out there who knows me, I don't recognize most people. And I never remember names. I'm horrible at names. My whole adult life, I've been, I've gotten to cheat because I have a computer in front of me with their name. And so I'm like, oh, hi, Gina, you know. So now I'm like, hey, bud. I'm like that too. Yeah. And I think going through menopause, it makes you second guess your brain

and names and faces where you almost get nervous about, well, I love that because, you know, community is so important. And I want to create a space in the app where people can create their own groups in the app and connect with community and people around them. But I didn't want to wait on that. And I think, you know, it's so, I was at an event last night and we were talking, it's hard to meet friends when you're older or unless you're joining a women's networking group or something like a knitting group or something niche or.

specific, but I don't, you know, I don't know if people sit around and knit and talk about their feelings. I mean, maybe they do. I don't know. But, you know, it's, it's, connection is nice. And anyone ever talks about the Libby Method. Oh, it's like a cult. I'm like, it's not a cult. That's called connection. It's called community. And people just forget what community and connection is all about. So I love that. Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty cool, actually. There was one girl who reached out. And, of course, everybody has their Facebook. I don't know what you'd handle. And so if somebody reaches out,

that's where I think their name is because I don't have a handle. It's my name. And of course, it wasn't her name, so she had to correct us. But it turns out that this girl went to high school with me. She's just a couple years older, knows my older sister, knows my whole family.

And so, of course, I had to go back through the yearbook to see who the heck I was talking to. And I'm not just saying this because I'm here with you. I actually remembered her face. Nice. Nice. Yeah. What I remember?

I don't know. But I did that day when I looked it up in the yearbook. Well, and you're getting close to be in postmenopause. It starts to come back. It starts to come up. And you know what else I've been taking on that note? Because a couple of years ago, I just felt really forgetful all the time at work. And I'm working in a job that I really can't forget what I'm doing.

I have to at least remember where I put something so that that's where my note was. And anyway, I started taking it. Ashwaganda. Oh, we're just, we're just talking about this last night. Dr. Alinka stopped by. We had an event in Burlington. And we're going to be doing more of those, by the way. And Dr. Alinka stopped by. And we're like, what's the number one like supplement you would suggest for women? And she's like Ashwaganda for the brain, like for sure. Yeah. She would suggest a game changer. For me, yes. I take it at night. And absolutely. And you know, what's funny is I used to do years ago, I used to the Shanty workouts. Yeah. Yeah.

God, yeah. Oh, yeah. In Sanity. Max 30. Tony used to, my husband used to do the Shanty workouts too. Yeah. Oh, man.

They were killer. My husband could actually do it. Yeah. He could jump and do stuff. I did everything low impact. But there were usually after each little video, there was like a little commercial. And one of the commercials was Tony. I think his name was that did the P90X.

Yep. And he was a cashier. And he was putting this lady through with, and she had all these amazing supplement. and he was saying, oh, and here's, la, da-da, and it's good for whatever. And one of the things he said was Ashpaganda. And that just rang in my brain going, hey, that's one thing I didn't forget. I should look this up and see what it is.

And I have a friend named Joanne who is really into all natural, holistic. And she says, yeah, yeah, go get some. And I noticed connectivity within about a month of taking it. Nice. If anyone's interested, we do talk about, we do talk about Ashwaganda in our second dairy supplements post in the group. If anyone wants to or go in your app, people are asking all sorts of questions about it.

So we do have that. If you Google it, I forget, do you know the brand of it? Someone's asking. The one that I'm taking is, it's a green bottle. It's called.

The one I'm taking is a purple bottle. It's a Walmart. I'm trying to think of mine. I'm like, it's in a purple bottle. I think mine's on the app store. It's called Gonda something anyways. I think mine's called nature's bounty. Oh, yeah.

I need another ashwagandah so I can remember what it's called. I don't think I'm brown line in the minute. You take it at night. Dr. Olinka was talking about how if you're like, if you're like more of a tired, wiredy person, then you can take it earlier in your day. If you like take it and it messes with your sleep, but some people are better in the morning

and some people are better at night, it's matter of figuring that up. Anyway, what do you want to say to our member? Some are brand new. They're still trying to figure out. of this work. Some are returning members. What do you want to share? What are people talking about in your group? What do you want to share where people are at?

I think that everybody should just let it happen. Kind of get out of your head. Just get out of your head and let it happen. I love that. That goes along with my do less theme of the year. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, get out of your own way. Get out of your own way. You mentioned you're an A type person, you know, just follow the rules. or if there's no rules, there's guidelines. But at some point, you do have to do that mental part,

which is why I appreciate that you recognize that. I love it. Well, Barb, how much left do you have to go? Like, when do you... Well, I actually this morning was down another pound. I'm officially one pound less than the goal I set for myself. So I'm going to finish this program and then I'm going to go into maintenance. Oh, I love this for you.

I love this for you. Well, Barb, everyone. And thanks everyone who's joined us live. We see all your comments, but definitely make sure you go in, Barb and take a look. Everyone who's listening after the fact. And thanks to you, Barb, we'll have to talk when you're in maintenance. We'll reconnect when you get into maintenance. But say how to your mom and your sister and your whole group that we have joining us and joining you.

Thank you so much. And I'll connect next time. All right. Thank you. Bye. I don't want to go. I want to keep talking to Barb. But I can hear Jody's play in the music.

It's time for us to go. If you hadn't had an opportunity to read over Barb's bio. I mean, you want to read over it. They write their own bios. And it just gives you so much backstory. And to see them and be like, oh, my God, you've been through this or been through that. And this is all about having your aha moment or recognize that you're not alone in this. You're not alone in this.

I love that we're back to doing spill the teas. They always put a big smile on my face. And I still have lipstick on my teeth. But who cares? So tomorrow, Kim and I are going to get together for our tweak this week conversation. So if you want to know more about downsizing the rhyme, the reason behind it, just go deeper with it. Kim's going to join me. That's tomorrow morning.

And then Thursday, Kyle Buchanan is joining us. You're going to love Kyle. I adore Kyle. He is our wellness guru. We're going to talk about all the fields that we can have at this point in the program, anxiety, especially how that factors in this time of year. So no doubt, no shortage of things to discuss with him. And then in the afternoon on Thursday, Alyssa Steinberg is going to join us. Talk about Fiver.

Fiverr, which is one of her favorite F words. You know, it's not my favorite F word, but it's one of hers. And Fiber is really an underrated conversation, something that we really should talk more about because it's so important for so many reasons. Anyway, thanks for joining me today. I hope you have a great rest of your night and I will see you tomorrow.