The Livy Method Podcast - Stop Holding Yourself Accountable. Start Looking Out for Yourself.

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

Holiday season is coming, and if you've lost weight, it can stir up more than the food: family opinions, old roles, grief, and the urge to control everything. Gina Livy and Odette talk through how to keep the weight off without turning it into a full-time job, from the boring basics that keep working to why "accountability" doesn't have to mean beating yourself up.You'll hear how to rewire old food habits through repetition, how to indulge in a different way (slower, more present, no guilt), and what to do when family brings out the old version of you.This podcast aligns with Day 24 of our Fall Maintenance Program, members can find video in our Livy Method app or Maintenance and Mindfulness Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulness Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We have the most incredible community, and it works. Head over to liby method.com to sign out today. Hello. Hi. How are you? It is Wednesday, I think, but I'm not entirely sure. I was just upstairs eating a hunk of chicken. Pony just came back from getting his haircut, and I was singing something.

And he's like, what are you saying? I'm like, I don't fucking know. I'm delirious. I'm tired. I'm just trying to keep myself going. I feel like I'm in survival mode. Yeah. One foot in front of the other.

And then somehow we have Thanksgiving coming up and I have to do it kind of on two days because people can't be here and there and I want everyone to be there. And then I got, you know, menopause show coming up, Indigo show coming up, workout stuff, all this stuff. Everything is amazing. Mm-hmm. But at the same time. Okay. Yeah, I think, you know, when we think about that, too, like we've got Thanksgiving coming up menopause show indigo show but that's all on top of like all the just life stuff you have to do

and then it's you know i still got to do groceries and wash my hair and clean my house and so like it just like seems like more and more and i don't know about you but this like Thanksgiving rolling around to me already has me thinking about the holiday season coming oh for fix shakes sorry sorry to bring it up but that's like that's what i'm my mind is already going there like i went to homesense to get something. Same. Fuck off with your Christmas shit. I wanted a pumpkin candle and it's already like Christmas three candles. No, I can't get it. I'm already behind. So I can't get it. It's just, it's just that constant like looking ahead, looking ahead, looking ahead where I just, I just want it to be Wednesday today. Can it just be Wednesday today and not necessarily look ahead? Yeah, I don't know,

I don't know where you're going to the conversation today, but I'm thinking, I know you mentioned just quickly about kind of just going over the basics. And there's this concept of layering more and more and more on more. There's more to do. And now, of course, we want to be able to maintain and sustain our weights. But it shouldn't be like a job on top of life. And this is where you are doing things so this just becomes who you are. And it shouldn't feel like I have to do all this work to be able to maintain and sustain my weight. There's no magic like solution to this. And it shouldn't feel like, a lot of times it's just being really repetitive just with the really super basic things that you think actually aren't making a difference when in reality they really are. And, you know,

you asked me on Monday near the end of our conversation, like, what am I doing to keep myself grounded? And I'm not sure I really helped anybody with what I said because it was kind of like, oh, I'm just doing these few things. And then I thoroughly thought about it after. I'm like, what am I doing here? So I've put limits on. on myself. I've put limits. So, you know, we talk a lot about boundaries. Put your boundaries up. Put your boundaries up. Don't let people come into your boundaries. But for me, I had to put limits on myself. Like, I had to understand my limits. What could I do? Because I was trying to do everything. I was trying to manage my emotions. I was trying to fix everything around me. I was trying to just do groceries,

have the best dinners for my families and do all that thing. And I thought, I need to limit myself. But what I also did was take accountability because I was putting the blame on a lot of outside stuff. So I was like, I didn't get my walk in. Well, that's because I have to read this. I didn't get my walk in because I have to read this research paper on obesity and mindfulness. And then I like, I didn't do, I didn't eat my lunch because I needed to work on these five things. It was always like I wasn't giving myself. I wasn't putting myself accountable for.

making those choices. So that's what really changed was like I put some limits on myself. I can't do everything and I took my own accountability and stopped putting the blame on other things. Can we just come to? Yeah. No, sorry, go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you off. No, I mean, I totally did, which is why I cut you off. But you know what I was the choice I had to make. I had to make. I'm making the choices. Nobody else is making those choices. So I had to put the accountability back on myself versus blaming external things. Okay. So this is where I want to go with this because I think so many people's interpretation of accountability is holding your ass accountable. Yeah. And that means being hard on yourself, making yourself do it. When I think accountability

is almost more like you have to look out for yourself. You have to be your cheerleader. You have to be your champion. You have to be your, you have to be the person who talks to you and gives it to you straight. Right. Like you're not your, you know, like I think it's, it's, it's, it's, It's our, what is our sense of accountability? Because I just remember this from all my years of taking on personal clients. Why do you want to work with me? I need accountability. And I'm like, whoa, no.

Uh-uh. Like I am not your babysitter. I'm not your babysitter. I'm not your accountability person. I will offer up what I know. I will give you advice. I can give you helpful tips. But accountability, that ain't me.

And so I think sometimes our concept of accountability is a little messed up. And accountability, nailing your. ass to the wall when you feel like you're not doing the things you need to do. It's like, okay, I'm the person. I'm the caretaker person of me. So what do I need? What is going on in my life? It's that to me it's more of an awareness thing than accountability being a to do thing. For me, the last couple of days, overthinking it. People keep saying it to me. You're overthinking this. I think you're overthinking this. I think you're overthinking this. And I was like, But there's attention to detail and shit's got to get done and things need to whatever.

But you're right. It's attention. It's like overthinking it. It's either going to work out or it's not. Am I doing everything I can? Yeah. Okay, fine. Like, I can't control and make things happen and whatever, right?

So how did you get to limits from accountability? Like, how did you get to that place? So the limits for me were really understanding that. that what I could do. And this is where this, this concept of the boring basics came in. Okay. So like I was trying to, it was the summertime. I was on vacation, just a staycate. We did a staycation, just, you know, cottaging. And I'm like, but I got to get my walks in. And I got to, I still have to eat the right food. And I have to do this and I have to do that. And I have to create this experience for my kids because we only have these 10 days together.

And all of that, all of that, all of that. And I thought, you know, just by doing the basics. is enough. And I actually felt like I was doing more and then I was able to be more present. And I know maybe this sounds like I'm not getting to the nitty gritty of it. But it was like, I'm going to go for a walk and that's going to be good enough. And that's my limit. You know, I don't have to do this 25-minute walk up the hill on this trail and do all of these things. And then the next limit. Like I want to create all these experiences, but, you know, those experiences are sometimes experiences are just good enough. You don't have to have all these grand things happening. You don't have to make everything next level. You don't have to make everything bigger than it needs to be. So it's really about understanding what is

my limit here. What can I create? What can I do? And sometimes those boring basics, just doing, you know, what you need to do is enough and is what's going to help you even do more in the long run. And I want to add to that because I love Sue's like boring basics, love it. Like if you're kind of bored with what you're doing here, okay, good. Good. Maybe it's not boredom. Maybe it's just like you got this routine. Okay.

I'm good. Right. And then that doesn't mean that you can't stay here. Obviously, you know, I think our maintenance program has a lot of value beyond just obviously being in the Facebook group, but being connected, having a place where you can land if you need. But if you are thinking, okay, I need to be more motivated because I'm just kind of going through the motions. Maybe what you perceive of going through the motions is just this being part of who you are now. Like if you're thinking the four mindful leading questions, for example, are redundant

and you're just like, oh, I don't even need them anymore. Maybe you don't need them anymore. Like maybe you practice some 14 million fucking times that they're just part of who you are. And so what you're perceiving as mundane or super basic is like trying to make something happen that's already happened. If that makes sense. I don't know if anything I'm saying makes sense these days. Me neither, but that's okay. We speak the same language, though.

Oh, Risa. Bessie Risa, love boring, peace, especially with family and friends struggling with their health. Boring can be peaceful. Yeah, it can be peaceful. And it can also be predictable when so much is not predictable. When so much, when so much is up in the air, when you just don't have, and I know we don't love this word control, but when you don't have the foresight to see what's coming next, you can't predict what's coming next.

Sometimes boring is okay. Let me just, you know, go through the motions, you know, day and a day. You can't do nothing. That's, you know, boring doesn't mean doing nothing. It means just, you know, focusing on a few of the things that you know work well for you, that you, you know, not focusing on a million things, but doing those same things over and over and over again that work well for you and not putting that expectation on yourself to have to do all the things or to do more and more. Yeah. I think, um, Risa and Risa, I've been thinking about you.

I see you and you're like, you know, obviously I follow you on Instagram here and there, but Risa hasn't been as vocal as she has been in the past. So I've been actually thinking about her, which is interesting that you popped up today. Hi, I'm on leave right now and don't ever plan to go back after 42 years of working with all age children on the autism spectrum. That's a lot. Now I'm just making. making certain non-negotiables, but also giving myself grace and compassion with the things I can or can't do daily. This is what I love, Risa, because you are a hardcore, girl. You get it done on top of all the things that you've had to deal with over the years, right?

I stop putting any pressure. Yeah, I'm grateful for the things I get done each day, and especially with what I've been going through, showing up when I can and being consistent, not about perfection. I love what Risa said there about non-negotiables because I think sometimes we get up in the morning and we plan out our day, we plan at our week and we're like we think intentions, intentions, intentions, intentions. And then we set ourselves up with 25 intentions for the week when really all we need are five non-negotiables, right? Five of those things that are going to make a difference.

Five of those things that are going to keep us anchored, keep us grounded, keep us feeling calm. And then we can build on that once we get to this more, this place of feeling bored and feeling like we're ready to move on. I think it's important to have those non-negotiables versus, you know, just always trying to intend on having these big things every day. What's interesting what's happening lately is just, I'm in a weird place in my life where I, the last couple of years, and you guys have probably heard me talk about coming to this, you know, this realization that I haven't handled the last couple years very well, right, with my kids' dad dying, going through menopause, stress and all that. And I know that. And I've shared that

story, walking into the bathroom and just realizing, oh, my gosh, I don't think I've handled this well. And I think of that that happened to me back in the spring. It is now only hitting me, like, how I didn't handle things well, right? Like, that was just a sense of I knew I didn't handle it well. And now I'm like, oh, fuck. Man, I like, I see how. how I didn't handle things well. So it's interesting. I'm leaving myself really open to things. And I used to say I don't like the concept of letting go. Like I'm not a big fan of letting go. Because I think rather than like let it go move past it. There's an opportunity to learn there. But I listen to this really interesting podcast. I bring this up because Heather says also a sense of letting go.

You got to release to let go. Releasing brings a sense of calm. And this was really interesting because she talks about like holding a sense of letting go. And this was really interesting because she talks about like holding on to things and you need to like let go and trust that you're doing what you can. There's probably, you know, something better coming down the pipeline for you than you can possibly imagine or make happen for yourself. And it was about being in a place where you're open to healing that part of you and then kind of releasing that and letting go. So it's just really interesting because like my concept of letting go has changed so much now that I'm just in a different space and and see things differently. So I love this concept of like you have to release something to let it go. You can't let it go by trying to control. And there's a fear of letting go.

Like if I let it go, everything's going to fall apart. If I let it go, bad things are going to happen. If I don't feel like I have it contained. I don't feel like I keep it in here. And, you know, it's going to cause this snowball effect. And, you know, the outcome is not going to be what I want it to be because I'm not, I've let it go. And I've put that trust out there.

And I think until, and that's hard to do. It's hard. It's like, well, I can't. Terrifying. Yeah. I can't fix that for you. I can't, you know, hold on to that for you. I can't control that for you.

I have to be able to let it go. And then that actually opens up space and capacity. to start to trust yourself because you're not trusting yourself when you're holding onto it. You're just trying to control it and you're trying to be tight around it. Or trying to trust other people. So my son wants to go to Cambodia where he's going because we got him tickets. So he's paying for his trip. But he wanted to go to Cambodia with one of his best friends, Doreen and their family. And here we are all of a sudden researching. It's not really where you go on vacation. It's where their family is. So they're visiting. I

it's an incredible experience for him, but it can be also really dangerous. Like, there's advisory. It's just like other places in the world. So I'm not knocking Cambodia by any means. And we're like, oh, my goodness, you have to watch for landmines. Like, it's a real thing. Like, don't go off the beaten path. Don't go on motorcycles. People die. Don't do this and don't do that. And of course, he's like 19. And he's like, okay, well, I'm probably still going on a motorcycle. And Tony says to me, he can tell you everything you want to hear. At the end of the day, he's going to do what he wants to do. Like you can't control that. We can lecture him for hours.

You can't control the choices that he's making the moment. You just got to have to let him go. Like let him make. He's a grown up. Let him make his own choices. You know, I still am like, well, I'm still going to tell him. So I feel good about that. But I was just like, wow, I am just so holding on so tightly.

And yet he's going to go to Cambodia. I have no control whatsoever over this kid. And then that kind of really highlighted. The control I was having over myself was highlighted by the control I was trying to have over someone else, albeit my son, or work things that I was trying to control or make happen or do. So sometimes it's hard to look in without ourselves. So another way to recognize that is, are you trying to control what happens in other people's lives or control the outcomes of what's happening at work? or, you know, it's quite a, sometimes it's hard to look and look at ourselves in that light. It's hard because you think that that's what's going to bring you peace because you're trying,

you're trying to predict the outcome. You're trying to control the end game, control that scenario, control that situation because you think that's going to bring you peace. But when that other external factor, whether it's your son or whatever it is, because I have one of those sons, too, that I'm trying, that I was for a long time trying to control with, around his health, you know, when they don't fit into the plan that you have created in your mind or when they don't, are not complying with what you think they should be doing, what you think is important. That creates way less peace for you. That creates more chaos. That creates more of that. So yeah, you're trying to create this end game, create this, you know, thing at the, at the end

of it all said, and three times there at the end of it all, but it's like they don't comply, and then that creates more chaos for you. There's actually no peace in that. There isn't. And that comes to controlling yourself. And this is why so many times it's interesting. This is just really now hitting me in this way where I say control and moderation has no place in weight loss or in trying to maintain your weight. And are you trying to control your weight by saying you're trying to maintain your weight? But are you really just trying to control it? And you are, in control of the choices that you are making. You are self-aware. You do play a role in your life, but you're not trying to control yourself. You're not trying to moderate yourself. You're trying to

just be in tune and understand and show up and be that cheerleader, champion, you know, person who cares for you. But it's just like that kind of make it try to, I'm going to try to. And this is why, you know, the scale is going up and down and we're like, what can we do? So why is our go-to always when the scale goes up? Oh, I must be doing something wrong. Oh, my goodness. You know, I got to eat less and get that scale to go back down or try to control the situation rather than being like what the fuck's going on here.

Yeah. And feeling like you've got to fix something right away instead of just trying to go with the flow and saying like, okay, well, let's wait and see what tomorrow says. Let's wait and see what two days from now says. Like, no, right away. I need to jump on this right away. I need to get a handle on it right away. I need to control this.

I need to control what the scale is saying. I need to control the weight going up. I need to fix it. Well, speaking of being open to making changes, so Odette and I've been talking a lot about what we're doing with these sessions. For example, next Tuesday night's going to be my last Tuesday because moving forward, I have like some indigo book events and stuff that they've got to be going on. So I would love to hear some feedback on what other times of day you would like,

like a Q&A or like a Facebook Live. We're also talking about bringing some guests into this session as well, just mindful of not, of adding more without adding more to the mix. And I know so many people watch or listen to these conversations like thousands of people after we've had them, even though they're such a small group. And thank you to everyone who shows up on Mondays and Tuesdays and Tuesday nights with us. You help create the conversation. But thousands and thousands of people are downloading our podcast and listening afterwards. So we do want to hear some feedback from you in terms of some changes and things that you would like to see. So these are new

neural pathways. Oh my gosh. You know what? This has been like, I love that people are collectively now open to understanding you can change your brain. Like, you are a product of all your habits and choices and behavior, right? And then you went and changed those in order to lose weight. Now there's like, who are you now? And this is more solidifying that mindset, right? Like you kind of made new pathways already. This is where I think we were talking, was it yesterday or on Monday, Odette, where, for example, you can have lost your weight been maintaining your weight and still have food noise, food weight issues, food scarcity issues, fear of being hungry. So this is the benefit of doing the maintenance program proper with the tweaks each week because you could be easily

maintaining your weight. But all of a sudden, you start thinking about downsizing and even just the thinking about it, what are the thoughts and feels popping up? Those, that's still saying, my brain is still wired in a deprivation way. My brain is still wired around food waste issues. My brain is still afraid that there's going to not be enough food. And so this is where you have to be really intentional about, oh, shit, okay. So whenever my brain goes there, which downsizing can bring up, let me re-correct that. Let me capture the thought and cancel, correct the thought, right?

Or just simply be aware and be like, no, no, no, I have a cupboard full of food. right okay if i'm hungry then i just i can have something else to eat later so this is what i love and so many people don't like it because i've already been there i've already done that i don't want to do it again and yet they're continuing to do the work by struggling and unless you're really intent less you're really self-aware and unless you're really intentional you're not going to be changing your brain and i think the conversation monday was like this shouldn't be a lot of extra work for you. This would just be part of a different way of showing up every day. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, when we talk about retraining our brain, rewiring, reprogramming our brain, it takes repetition.

We know this from research, from studies. It takes repetition. You can't just do it one time and unlearn everything and retrain it. So it's like every time you do downsizing, every time you do the four steps of mindful eating, every time you get on the scale and have that conversation, yourself. It's like a rehearsal for the final show, you know, so I'm, I'm just practicing over and over and over again until my brain automatically goes there. You can't just do it one time and all everything just, all those pathways reconnect and rewire. Because you have to, and you're not forgetting what was there before, but you're trying to get your brain to function and think in a different way. And that just comes from repetition, as we know,

it comes from new learned experiences because until you prove it to yourself through these learned experiences through these internal conversations, you are just going to believe what was there before. You have to prove it to yourself through these. And that's why the repetition over and over again, we say the same thing over again. We ask you to do the same thing over again. Yeah, I don't like downsizing. But downside, you need it to be able to reprogram and rewire. Yeah, again, all the tweaks that we make in the weight loss program are designed to, yes, get the body's attention, but more so, way more so is what's happening in the brain and really disrupting and interrupting. See, people have a lot of food noise anyway. They're going to think about food all day, every day anyway. And what we're doing with those tweaks are going in there. And when I say look at it from a different perspective, we're interrupting the regularly scheduled programming. And people are like, oh, well, just you end up thinking more about food.

maybe, but in a different way, in a different way that is going to lead to you being more calm around food. And so now that we're in maintenance, yeah, it's the same routine. So this is really great. The body's like, oh, yeah, I know this. But then it really frees up the brain and focus and be intentional about changing that part when you already know the physical stuff. Oh, I know how this works. I got this. Okay, great. Physically, you got it. So then let's open up the mind and see what are the thoughts that are popping up this week, right? So especially less than downsizing because those can bring up food waste and food scarcity issues, but the feeding the metabolism where you take people who were trying not to eat

and now they have to eat, that's like a 360 on the brain, right? And there's a big difference between I am eating less and I can choose to eat less and I can have more but might not want more. Like that's the difference when you split up those meals and snacks. You eat the first part. You're recognizing I've had enough. And you don't want the second half. So then you have to have it.

So that's just a 360 on there. It fucks up your brain in all the best ways. And downsizing, yeah. And to go back to downsizing, that messes up your brain too because you're in this place where you're like, I don't want to do this. It's uncomfortable. And we're only talking about downsizing. But how do you say, where else do you say that to yourself? I don't want to do this.

uncomfortable. I don't want to, you know, follow through on whatever it might be. I don't want to do the hard thing. So we're using this tweak of downsizing to help you understand how you talk to yourself as well. I don't want to do downsizing. It's uncomfortable. You know, do you, does that overlap into other areas of your life too? Yeah. And why? Yeah. Yeah, you could have more to learn or you could just have already like you're good. All right. Wow. I'm awesome. I'm amazing. Okay. For the sake of time today, I love that. You guys are giving us suggestions on what you're looking for and Odette and I do go through and we review and like we do actually care about your feedback because this whole program has been created on that. What is the takeaway? So we're rolling

into Thanksgiving. And I think maintenance is really interesting because it like encompasses like it's like almost I know this is horrible to say, but it's kind of like grief where you have that first year of grief and you think it's bad and then almost the second year it's like a worse because like time is going by and every year of dealing with it kind of brings up something new. And I'm not saying it's the same thing. But when you're maintaining your weight, there's a lot of triggers, including grief in your life. So this might be your first Thanksgiving without somebody or your first, whatever that might be. And so what can happen is you can have lost your weight, let's say, in the spring, be totally fine. Spring and summer and even into fall. And then something pops up where like that's when, okay, like,

you're being triggered or something's happening in your life. And so these moments, because we live in these yearly cycles, can be really triggering. And so this is sort of where you need that almost two years to not just physically help your body adjust to your new weight, but more so mentally. And so you might be thinking you're fine, but then Thanksgiving pops up. And, you know, again, in Christmas, like the most wonderful time of year, that's very stressful and sad and whatnot for people. So knowing we're rolling into Thanksgiving, and for some, this could be the first. And for some, this could be the first Thanksgiving where they've lost the weight, they're maintaining their way. What's the conversation there for people out there? I think the conversation there is to, and I'm sorry if that

was, it occurred to me as I was saying that. That would be a little triggering for you. So I'm, I'm sorry. Yeah. No, that's okay. No need to apologize. I'm in a good place. Okay, good. I've been thinking about this a lot already. Yeah. Yeah, this place of Thanksgiving and triggering, you know, whatever. For some people, it's just triggering being around people. for the first time since they've lost their way, being around family members or friends that, you know, might have opinions on what's, what you're doing. Are you still on this diet? Why are you not eating that if you're choosing to, you know, make choices that are more aligned with where you are right now versus indulging when everybody else is. So that can also be triggering. So it's just being aware of that.

And I think going into this holiday season, because it is for the next three months, really, when we think about it. It's just to allow yourself to, I know I've said this so many times, it really is a learning opportunity. I think if we can look at it as what am I going to learn about myself this weekend, what am I going to learn about myself over the next couple months when it comes to these first, if it's your first, or what's different this year than, if this is your second or third Thanksgiving, what's different from than last year? You know, how can you go into it with the different, with different eyes, with fresh eyes. Or what did you learn from that last year that you want to do differently this year?

I think that's the big thing. I think you've got to do Thanksgiving your way, your own way. And there's no right way. There's no wrong way. But it's being comfortable with doing it your way and just taking a learning opportunity from it. How does this version of you show up in these, and it's so funny, it's not funny. It's not the right word.

It's interesting because we can easily revert back to old versions. versions of ourselves when we are around family. And in many instances, people are not so self-aware and they don't change. So they say the same old things. And I remember with my dad, I reconnected with my dad. He showed up at Christmas. It was it last year. And it's just the same old fucking jokes about me making me sound like an idiot. Oh, Gina did this and Gina did that. And I was just like, ew, dad, like that's so old. Like I have, I have been Canada's, you know, top 100 most powerful women twice. I have done this. I have done that. And you're telling that same old story where I pronounce that hockey player's name wrong once when I was a sportscaster. Like, come on. But like,

he can say whatever he wants, but that child in me was like immediately shrunk down. And thank God for Tony, who's been like, it's their fucking dad, you know, like someone else recognizing that. But sometimes it's hard around family. So also don't be so hard on yourself. If you go into the, into the situation like, I'm going up as the new me. And then you come out, you know, crushed and back to the old you and you do end up eating a whole pie afterwards because, you know, and listen, I love my dad. And I don't mean to disrespect him. That's just sharing a circumstance where you immediately can revert back to when you felt less than or your issues can pop up into. So also give yourself some grace. Yes, give yourself some grace. And not only this

weekend, but into this holiday season coming up. So yeah, lots can happen. I just want to say, Sue before we go, such a great point. So getting used to still getting used to the loss of my food binges on holidays. Yeah, indulging in food that way. And I think we don't want to lose the sense of indulgence. So you could indulge in conversation. You can indulge in like chewing more and actually like tasting your food and eating the food that you are eating a bit slower. So you can still indulge, but in different, I think indulging is indulging because we're not indulging over eating because we're feeling guilty the whole time. We're not really tasting it. We're eating it too fast. And immediately we regret and we pay for it for hours. So what is it truly that we're missing? Is that that the actual like indulging in

something wonderful and joyful and meaningful for ourselves? And that's a great opportunity to reconnect with food. Smell it. Add a little bit of the whipped cream if you want to your pumpkin pie or ice cream when maybe you weren't having it before and you're eating more pie, but you would love pie with ice cream. Like what is indulging? Yeah, indulging in a different way. What, what is that? Rather than just not like just, we, we love indulging in everything. So we don't want to stop indulging in life, but like there's maybe a different way to indulge that. And then indulging can come from even that, just the feeling of the holiday, like allowing yourself to indulge in that, in this weekend, in this day, where it's not, you know, you don't want to go in apprehensive

and you don't want to go in, you know, tight about it. Like, oh, it's Thanksgiving and I can't eat these foods and I can't indulge and I can't do this. But you can indulge in just being here in this weekend, like being with people, if you're going to be with people, or creating a Thanksgiving that works for you. It doesn't have to be the same as the next person. It's, it's indulging in that, just being able to create that and have that and whether the food is involved or not. I think it's just looking at it that way. like it's the whole experience you want to indulge in. And if that includes whipped cream, then let it be a little bit of whipped cream. If it's not, you can still have an experience

even without that. Yeah, I'm thinking about how last week I went to Quebec and we went to the printing plant for my book. I got to oversee it, which was really cool, like a big printing press and whatnot. But the leaves on the trees were just, but I'm trying to enjoy them by like taking photos and videos that no one will see. You know, we get to our hotel and, and, you know, it backs onto a golf course. And it's just beautiful out there. But I'm like, oh, I got to go to dinner. I got to do this. I got to do whatever. And it's just like it was trying to get and take in this beautiful scenery where, you know, pull your car over at the side of the road. Rather than taking the busy highway, take a maybe it's going to take you longer, take a back row where you can see the trees or take a minute, go outside and, you know, get a breath of fresh air, like indulge in the Christmas, wear your favorite sweater, like those moments, you know. Yeah, I love that. All right, anything else before we go? Because now we're over time, but no, I don't think so. I mean, we were talking motivation in the group today, you know, taking Ashton anyway and what that looks like. So just have a quick review of that. And yeah,

no, going into the weekend, we just want to have a great long weekend. I know it's not a long weekend for everybody, but our U.S. members are going to have theirs. We're going to have theirs as well. Yeah. We'll take that off too. So we are off on Thanksgiving just so you know. take it. Yeah. So, but we'll see you. I'll see you on the Tuesday and then the Wednesday next week. Thanks, everyone for joining us. Thanks, O'Dap. See you next time. Bye. Bye.