The Livy Method Podcast - Stop Living in Fear

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

When the scale isn’t the focus anymore, the real work begins. When our goal isn't as clear that means we are navigating fear, old habits, life stress, and the pressure to stay in control. Today Gina Livy and Odette unpack what it actually means to maintain your weight without slipping back into diet mentality. They talk why awareness is everything, and how learning to trust yourself through life’s ups and downs is the key to lasting change. This episode aligns with day 36 of our Spring 2026 maintenance program. You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTo learn more about The Livy Method and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and GLP-1s? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wankery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Living Method podcast.

Well, hello. Hi. How are you? Hi, good. I checked. We're all in the right place. Oh, my God. for fuck sakes, honest to God.

You know? So we're here, we're up, we're going, we're good. I just, you know, I don't know, Monday is Monday, me. I just did a social media reel, actually, about this. I am, like, excited and optimistic and also feel like doo-do crap and a bit pessimistic and just, yeah. I went outside and the sun is shining. It's gorgeous.

And then I bring my eyesight down to the ground. And it looks like, you know, everyone like, like, like, like, all of our leaves on all of our trees have come through a blender from the storm on the weekend. It's just shit everywhere. And I'm like, I'm in this really polarizing like mindset today. Like I realize it doesn't have to be all or nothing. I am so not all or nothing. I am like right in the middle of the of the tornado is what it feels like. So that's that's my Monday, which started off with going live and it went into it went into the nowhereness. It was nowhere. We all could see that it was streaming somewhere, but we didn't know where that where it was.

So bizarre. I think it was in the messy middle, which is where we are right now. Look at this segue you just gave me. It was perfect. I did that on purpose. Yeah. I did that on purpose. All the feels, all the feels all around today.

Yeah. So this week, right, week five, confidence consistently. What the fuck are we doing? Why do we keep showing up every day? I love that some of the comments here, you know, loss of a clear goal. People are realizing now what? They want freedom. They want fear of regaining. Like yeah. Like, you know, because I run a business. I was like, we have, we have that sale for the fall program happening on next Monday. And then maintenance is now only available with our membership.

And I was just kind of like doing the math and numbers on that. And I'm like, if anything, like, maintenance should be where the value is. Like that should be like the weight. Like that the bigger proposition. Like it's, do you know what I'm trying to say? Like the maintenance is the real like. And not to disrespect anyone's hard earned, hard fought weight loss journey to get here. But I think maintenance is like like such a bigger thing. There's so much more weight involved in maintenance than there is in weight loss.

Yes. And I think weight loss, I mean, weight loss is this thing that we don't want to say that it's easy. but there's so many methods to be able to maintain, to be able to lose your weight. There's, you know, there's endless amounts of ways that you can lose your weight. Now, what we're doing here in maintenance is helping you keep that weight off

because nobody else is talking about that. And we've said that before too. So yes, you can go lose your weight with other methods, with other ways, but then what? And I think this is where our members are starting to realize now. They're in this, now what? then what? You know, like, okay, if I'm not trying to do this work to lose it, now what? Where am I going?

And that's where the value is because we're going to help you unpack that. We're going to help you figure it out. We're going to, you know, guide you, give you a system. But you being able to unpack that and learn that yourself, that's where the value is so that you're not having to think about this and do this for life, right? It's, it's that conversation has never come up, that concept, that idea, has never come up. It's like, yep, you're going to try and lose your weight for the rest of your life. Well, no, you don't have to. You're going to come here and you're going to learn how to maintain it. And yeah, it's for the rest of your life, but it's not a lifetime of doing. It's a lifetime of living. We're setting you up for that. Yeah, you know, something you just said there because I was thinking about,

like, I just feel like garbage today, right? Like I had, I drank on Thursday and no regrets. I have zero regrets. I drank on Thursday. My kid's birthday, it's been a birthday, it's been a birthday extravagance over my 19 year old. It's a little over the top. Yeah. But like he's my youngest and he's 19. My baby turns 19 this year too. Not until the end of the year.

Talk about mixed emotions. Like we're really proud and happy for him. Want him to go be independent and live his life also like just don't even know how to feel about it. And like no one talks about those kind of feels that we have when we're trying to like reach our goals and navigate life. But definitely ate all the things, drank the things. We talked it off with the pizza party last.

night and I said to Tony, oh my God, I like way over did that. But like, whatever. You know, and waking up today, but is it, is it maintenance or is it just like you're learning how not to gain your weight back? Right? Like, really, that's what you're trying to learn is how do I not gain this weight back? How do I have enough, um, awareness to be like, okay, Gina, got to stop the party. Yeah. You know, okay, Gina, feel like crap. Now today, you know, won't go make it worse by trying to do this, trying to do that. Like, right? Like, And maybe that's the frame for people. Like, what is maintenance?

Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I think when we just say, oh, I'm going to be in maintenance, I'm going to be in maintenance. I think also when we tie that word to it, when it's like, oh, I'm in maintenance. I'm going to be in this thing. I'm going to be doing this part for the rest of my life where this is just, right now,

this is just the middle part where you're learning to live your life. This is where you're telling yourself, just like you may have told yourself, I'm going to be dieting for the rest of my life. That sounds exhausting and impossible. So if you are saying to yourself, I'm going to be in maintenance for the rest of my life. Like, no, you're in maintenance right now. You are maintaining right now. You are learning.

You're in this almost like that magical middle. I know we've called it the magical middle before, you know, where it can feel messy. But it's this place where you're learning. You're picking up. You're setting this foundation for just living your life after. You're not just in maintenance in this place. You're just in your life. You're just living.

Yeah, you're just living. Yeah, you're living. That's the whole point of it. It's like lose your weight, learn to maintain it or not gain it back, and then live your life. That's the part. So, yeah, I guess you'll be maintaining your weight for the rest of your life as I have. I don't look back and be like, I've maintained my weight for, you know, 30 years. I, you know, I haven't been like maintaining a life.

I have been living my life. And it's, and everything feels so hard. But once you, once you get it and you're in tune, it's just easy, right? Like, am I actually hungry right now? No. Am I actually not hungry or am I just really tired to have a bit of a headache? And yeah, I'm actually just a little tired to have a bit of a headache. Am I actually hungry?

Yeah, if someone made me some food, I would totally eat it. I just don't, I don't, I'm tired and don't want to make the food. And so that's my assessment of am I hungry. I am tired and don't want to make food. but if Tony was to plop down oh like some chicken and you know something saucy and you know like warmy

I'd mowed the crap out of that right so it took me a second but that I mean that happens instantly in mind like am I actually hungry am I hungry now am I actually not hungry because I haven't eaten so so that that's where it goes right when to eat I'm actually hungry versus triggered versus habit versus coping whatever what to eat I want some chicken I want some fruit

I want so whatever. And then what and how much to eat? No, exactly. You know, like when I was eating that pizza last night, I was like literally shoving another piece in my mouth. I knew. I was like, oh, I'm so, so, so going to, you know, feel this tomorrow. Almost a regret. But, yeah, the work that you do now makes it so much. There's a saying there, I think, right? The hard work you do now makes it easier later. Later on. Yeah. And I just want to touch on what you said there about, you know, having that next piece of pizza and knowing instantly, you know, how you're going to feel. Like, okay, I know I'm going to feel full from this. I know I'm going to feel stuffed.

So I want to talk about satisfaction a little bit because, you know, last week we were slightly unsatisfied. This week we're back to satisfaction. And we still have members saying that they need to figure out what that means exactly, what that feels like exactly. You know, like they in weight loss, they're like, okay, eating dissatisfied. We know it's not feeling full, but what could be, what could that be for you? Could it be a physical sign? you know some like could it be like i know genie you say you feel like you take a sigh like okay right

and you're or you sit back i think that's what you'd said like that's how you notice what satisfaction feels like for you and i know for me i start to play with my food like i'm it's on my plate i'm playing with it i'm like oh okay is this a sign that my body is telling me i'm at that point now and so i think we're at this point where members are starting to to need to rethink that or or have another look at it because it's not just a It's not that feeling of having food in your belly. Because when you go from slightly unsatisfied, right? Even some members are feeling a little bit hungry before they go to bed.

Yeah. And now it's this week. And they're like, okay, what does it feel like? Is it a physical feeling? Should I be feeling food in my belly? What sign should I be looking for? I can tell you it's not by math. I saw this the other day.

It was like, one, it melt away belly fat. It was like, it was something fucking insane. It was like multiply this number to get this. many calories. Multiply this by this to get this much protein. Multiply this by this to figure out how many grams of fat you need. Multiply this by this to figure out how many whatever calories versus whatever is the amount of, I was like, are you fucking shitting me with this crap? And that people are all over it. They're like how much fiber you need, multiply that and then divide by four of how many carbs you need. So calories, protein, fat, fiber, carbs, all of this. And I'm just like,

you know, comment numbers for my free macro calculator. Yeah. Holy fuck. But does it ask like how tall you are, how old you are? What? No. So if my husband and I who he's, you know, 230 pounds, six foot four, and then I ask, we're doing the same math. Like, do we get the same numbers? Like I don't, you know, I don't understand how those numbers work. Who cares? That is not living. That is not living. And so I don't know sure why people don't trust the mind-body connection. It's been studied. It's real. There's science behind it. I know it's maybe hard to some people to grasp and because we spend most of our lives disconnected. But when you say like people's fear of regaining weight, right, this comes up over and over a fear of losing control. You can't control or moderate your way into losing weight, maintaining your weight and living a life. right um the fear of old habits creeping back you have to be aware of what they are in the first place and then you know understand when you're falling back into them a fear of life events derailing them life life is always going to life you want to be living your life this is the whole point right

fear the scale going up like this is like this is why you're in maintenance right now and you may not be able to package it together in a nice little you know with a nice little bow but this is what you're here for. You are here so that you don't have a fear of losing control because you're in tune. You are here because you know, not because you have a fear of going back into old habits, which we will and we do. And it's going to continue to happen. But it's not falling back into old habits. It's staying there and adopting that old way of living and recognizing that's not working for you, you know, because you have a fear of life events derailing you. Oh my God. Life is all. about life events. The rest of it is this boring old shit. We live for the life events, right?

Fear of the scale going up. No way to live. That's so like this is where you have to really find your why and your why is definitely not to keep wearing the same size pants. That's it. That's all I got. And I think this is why. So the, so what everything you just said there, this fear of regaining weight, this, you know, this loss of a clear goal you said that earlier. And, wanting this freedom, this wanting to just live their lives. This all came from a post that we did last week asking members, why does maintenance feel harder? Why does this part coming into week five feel harder?

And it's because it's this, it's the emotional play of maintenance. It's the feelings of maintenance. It's not just follow a plan, do what you're told. No, it's follow the food plan and notice what comes up. You can't just do what you're told. You have to notice what's coming. coming up, notice that emotion. And emotion is a lot harder than just following a step-by-step guide. You know, so here we are in this middle place where we know learning opportunity has to come,

going through all of those firsts have to come, navigating those life events has to come. But we haven't lived it yet. We haven't done that yet. So they're going to focus on, oh, I'm going to lose control. Oh, this life is a event is going to derail me because you haven't have that lived experience yet. It reminds me of another post on Instagram where it says that ready isn't a feeling. It's a decision. Yeah. Right?

And you've made a decision to follow the 91 days of the maintenance program to be able to help your body adjust to your new weight and to be open to all the thoughts and the feels that pop up. This is also hard not just because it's the middle of dead, I think, because off the heels of downsizing can bring up a lot of deals for people. Like, it's not easy shit. It's intense. And, you know, I guess that's my, you know, we could easily make a shit ton of money through quick fixes, right? Sell everyone the world. Make you feel like it's your problem because, you know, you can't maintain and sustain your rate rather than literally sit here and talk about how hard it is. Like, we're doing it all wrong. Really. We're doing it all wrong. You know, and you would get excited,

right you'd be yeah i'm gonna do and then you'd fail and you'd feel like shit so then you come back and then you'd whatever and like that's you know to me that i have no interest in doing that just like i'm not interested in the quick fix weight loss people i'm i have nothing against it like i do you i don't judge anybody but i think this is you're here because because this is the place this is the community and the space and the place to come we have members who've been here for years we never here for them, then they pop in, oh my God, this happened in my life. So now I'm back to get a refresher to learn what I need to learn, to be around community, you know, because they're also afraid of getting weight back and they're here because they recognize they need support. They need community. They need the

knowledge, right? Yeah, it's hard to motivate. People just don't stick. I think our generation is great because we know what it's like to follow through. We know what commitment is like. I think the younger generation. I'm just, everyone wants quick, fast, whatever. Yeah. You know, I think this is why I'm focusing mainly on a midlife demographic now is because we have the tolerance to, to keep showing up for as long as we need to actually achieve something in life. Yeah, it's this, this is, you know, competence and consistency. So that's what this week is about. Yeah. So this week is about confidence and consistency. And it's all, it's about this. To go back to this like, I don't know, I'm stuck on this point about these life events derailing you, maybe because I've had so much of it lately,

these life events derailing you. And, you know, it's when you can't be, you can't show up with that, that perfectionism that maybe you think you still have to show up with. I have to get my water and I have to get my sleep. I have to, you know, eat perfectly. I have to do all of these things. And when you don't hit those markers, when you don't tick those boxes, your confidence can tank. So you can think, I, okay, I can't follow through. I'm not able to do this. Look at one life event did derail me, where if we can pick up, you know, one or two things that we can be consistent on, that's going to actually do the opposite. So, okay, I can't, you know, I, I'm going through this massive loss. I can't possibly focus on the food plan, but what I can focus on is my water. I'm

going to be super consistent with staying hydrated. Okay, look at that. I knock that out two, three, four days in a row. That's where that consistency is going to help you build that confidence and bring you back to that place where you are going to be able to show up in all the ways that you want to. So when we talk about consistency, it's not about doing all the things all the time, it's about realizing what are those things when you are going through this life event, when things

aren't aligned as they need to be, when your routine is throw off, what are one or two things that you can be you can follow through on that's going to give you the proof that's going to help you build that confidence that's really what this week is all about and you know and you think how does that tie to the week oh like how does that tie to eating dissatisfaction well when you just take a minute to listen to your cues to sit with your body and be like okay I'm going to just try and figure out what eating to satisfaction feels like for me oh oh I got it today well look at that You know, and then your confidence builds and you're able to move on. So these tweaks are always, like we say, a catalyst to something else.

And that's why this week fits perfectly with eating dissatisfaction, this confidence part. Just follow through on this consistency of asking those mindfully eating questions and, you know, getting in tune with what satisfaction feels like for you. Yeah, because you know what you know. You know what you know off the heels of downsizing, right? So this is kind of like a reset, deep breath kind of week. I love Catherine. I'm confident that I can consistently maintain this new lifestyle with all.

all the stuff that gets thrown at me. Yes. Here's Christine. I'm showing up as best I can after the death of my sister and my daughter getting an MS diagnosis, thought about Doritos. But my Y is bigger. Now I'm confident, right?

And no one would blame you for the fucking Doritos either. Right? And that's okay too. Just make sure you drink your water with your Doritos, right? I think this week is critical for all the reasons you've just said, being able to navigate life challenges, the days we choose to overeat, the moments where food is comfort.

we are never going to make the best choices 100% of the time. No, but if we have consistency, 80% of the time and confidence in that, then I can draw on the awareness that I'm getting off track in a bigger way. That's it, right? So look at me. I look like shit. I feel like garbage. I got a hard week.

This is the anniversary of the kid's dad passing tomorrow. There's a lot. There's sad. Three years later, the fields are just flooding back. And, you know, it's a lot. So today I woke up. I was like, let me just get up and do a workout. And so my treadmill, anyway, the room's a mask because I did a photo shoot thing.

So I was like, let me stretch. Let me lie down. Let me use some stretching. My boy, my body was sore and stiff, right? I keep wanting to crawl in bed, but I have work to do. So, you know, I'm also on my third decaf coffee. Like, it's making a fucking difference. It's decaf coffee.

It's decaf instead I get a regular calf because I'm trying to get hydrated. And I really am going to switch to tea. because I don't feel like drinking cold water because I just am like, yeah. But I am like so struggling, but I am keeping my head above water by the things I know are helping me. And that's what the program does, right? That's what it does? Like what are the things I can do to just keep putting one foot in front of the other?

And that's what it's about. And then tomorrow is a new day. Maybe tomorrow I'll wake up, I'll feel better. Maybe I'll feel worse. I don't know. But that's what it's about. I have enough self-awareness to know where I'm at and what I need. And that's where really struggling, but also like life is wonderful and optimistic.

And how do I just keep moving forward? And that is what maintenance is. That is what maintenance. In weight loss, it's about trying to continue to reach your goal and do the things that get you there. In maintenance, it's about recognizing when you're dipping back and pulling yourself back out, right? Recognizing what your body needs. It's so much bigger than it's so much bigger than just the scale. This is life.

This is and that's how you don't. That's how you keep living is being aware and understanding those things. Yeah. And talking awareness. I was talking to, I think it might have been, I don't know, it was Kim maybe on Friday and talking about week six. So for those that know, so my father passed away in October. Oh, God. During week six.

And my sister passed away in February. in during week six. So next week is week six. So like I'm having this awareness already. Like I just got goosebumps. I'm having this awareness already of how life is going to look or feel in week six. Is this going to be something that's recurring? I'm having this awareness now like, okay, it's coming. What am I going to do to let to just have some rest through that week? What am I going to do so that I'm not just feeling like this is the week of doom and gloom, and this is the week where I'm going to let everything go, and this is the week where I'm going to, you know, just lay in my bed.

Because I could do that. I could easily do that. Yeah. And then it's about thinking like, okay, you know, my son just got his first job, like his first, like career job, you know, he's taking his first business trip during week six. Yeah. You know, my daughter got, she has a new job and she's working like full time hours.

and that's starting in week six. You know, so it's this awareness of, yeah, there's going to be things that are happening and things that are going to affect you. But what can you do to just keep going? What can you do to just add a bit of that consistency again? You know, how can you try and keep some set of normalcy? Well, also still appreciating that, you know, that week is going to come and bring those fields and bring everything else up.

How are you going to keep going? How are you going to just, you know, be in this life? and still try and feel your best. I think so many people are not navigating life with awareness. They're just so not aware. I mean, maybe that's where that term, bear your head in the sin comes from.

It's also why people suffer and physically they suffer and have a really hard time. Right? Yeah. That awareness piece is definitely not an easy piece. I guess this is the transition, really, if you look at it, the maintenance is the middle.

Yeah. of the like I don't think people realize how much of their life they spent trying to lose weight, how much energy that consumed, right? I'm just talking physical like brain power that consumed, how much of your life was weight loss. And then you're trying to get to a place where you're living your life. And I don't think about getting and losing weight. I'm just like my weight is up today for sure. But I'm not constantly in that same diet mentality.

And it's almost like maintenance is the middle. Mm-hmm. Maintenance is the middle. It's the middle. And it's messy and it's magical because there's so much that could good that can come from it. You know, like I know we say it. I feel like sometimes we're like, you know, just saying the same things over and over again. But it is.

It is there's so much learning and growth that comes from here in aha moments. And there is fear. And that fear is, that fear is relevant, right? Of course it is. But I think when we're talking about it and we're working through it and we're understanding that this is the emotional part, this is the part that's going to help you have that freedom that you want, you know, not thinking that you have to be on a diet forever or, you know, you just want to be in this place of ebbs and flows that don't feel so high and low. I think this is where this can happen. We're giving you the opportunity in the space to bring that. awareness and create that. Yeah, that's what it's about Alex here. Yes, the awareness piece is so

important. It's something that we learned about ourselves in this program. I love being part of this community. And, you know, like, Odette and I, we've been learning along with you, right? Like, we're able to have these conversations because we can kind of see it all happening. Right. Like, we've been, we've been, obviously this is, you know, we've become somewhat experts to do anything long enough and talk about it and not become experts in this is, but all of this is basically from our community, you know, Ruth and her team studying all of our members in maintenance and, you know, building the maintenance program on those pillars. And since it's inception, I think we came in here not knowing at all. And really being able to see when people

go through each week, there's a pattern there and picking up on that. And, you know, you have your girlfriends and you discuss certain things. Like you go, you have wine, you hang out and you discuss things. But you don't really, and you have your, sure, your therapist, you know, where you're trying to uncover things. But really, like, where are you having these conversations? in your life where you're able to be like, okay, what's going on with me today? Like, I'm not going to call it my girlfriend and be like, oh my God. So I feel like this. I feel like that.

And then have like a half hour discussion on it. You know, so we have very few places where we can have these conversations. Yeah. You know, I'm really, I love being part of this community too. Yeah. And I, and it's true about, you know, we've learned so much because, I mean, we talk all the time and I talk with speak with the team. And I'm like, oh, my goodness. this is what's happening in the group right now.

This is what members are saying. This is how they're feeling. This is what they're struggling with. Or these are the celebrations that they're having. And we can see how that comes as well. You know, in the beginning, like the first couple of weeks, everyone's super excited. I'm so happy to be here. Look at me.

Look what I've accomplished. And it's amazing. And then it's like, oh, I don't want to deal with that feeling. Oh, we're here at week three and four. And I don't want to talk about that. I don't want to know that that's coming for me down the road. don't want to know that the road to Disney world has a big pothole in it, you know, like sinkhole. Yeah.

Sinkhole of the dead. We know that this is going to start happening. And then, but we also know that if you're here and you're sticking with it and having these conversations and having that awareness and being willing to talk about it. And it, because it is, it's still a physical journey. We know that the scale is still part of it. We know that the fluctuations are very real. Yeah.

And we know that it's fear, you know, until we can work. work through these things that can be a little bit paralyzing that can have us, you know, festering a little bit. So we know that that's happening. And that's why everyone here, this is where this conversations are coming from. And this weight loss and maintenance are just the focus, right? Like if you have that fear guaranteed it's happening elsewhere in your life. This, that fear isn't just on your maintenance journey. Right. The thoughts and the fields that pop up while they are being highlighted on this journey, this is not, like, this is not just in maintenance. This is what's happening in your life, right?

It's happening elsewhere in your life. How you are showing up here is how you are showing up everywhere, you know. All right. So, Odette, what do we got homework? You haven't assigned us homework in a while. Do we have homework this week? What do you want to share with us? What should you both keep in mind?

Yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So I've been thinking about this. late maybe this is the time to do it i'm thinking about this lately and you know there's still a lot of um talk about the scale in the group that will never go away the scale and you know i get on it it's up today i'm frustrated i'm down measure of our worth right so this week i want to just encourage people to um you know if they're they're back to this place of eating dissatisfaction and you know last

week they were just leaving themselves just slightly unsatisfied and taking a long time to explain this What I want to say is, are you still tying that expectation of that the scale was supposed to be down last week because you're downsizing? And if you're seeing those fluctuations this week, is that mindset creeping up like, oh, well, I'm eating a bit more food this week and by tying that to the scale? Just notice if that little piece comes up for you because we know it can take some time to work through that where it's still that coupling of downsizing means the scale going down because it's less food. So now that we're eating dissatisfaction again, is that that inner voice coming back up again? Like, oh, you're eating more food. Of course, the scale is going to go up. So just I want just people to be aware of that.

Just notice that. That's creeping back up. It'll get you. It'll get you. It'll get you. It's not because you're eating more food. I just want to say that. Just notice that that starts to come up a little bit for you.

It could be the alcohol and the pizza and the lack of sleep, not the actual food. but the inflammation from the alcohol and the pizza late at night that messes with your sleep and then what you got going on, the weight of the world on your shoulders with everything else. I think it's the 729 mosquito bites that I have right now. Oh, from your cottage.

Yeah, I'm covered. I'm like here, here. Like I'm covered and I'm just so you don't sleep well when you're itchy and then. Boo-hoo. Dad was at her cottage and got mosquito bites. Well, listen, you saw this place you would.

No, I know. You would cry with me. Your cottage is far from luxury. Oh, my God. I get it. And I have like O-type blood. Apparently they don't, like I don't get bitten. Tony gets demolished.

Oh, I did too. He just gets demolished and I barely even get touched. Yeah. I'm a negative and they like me. Oh. Well, your dock photos from your cottage look amazing. So the dock is beautiful and the lake is beautiful. They're just, um, wow, let's just go.

Anyway, we took over like a hoarder's cottage a few years ago. And they like literally, we didn't even sleep in it for the first two months because we couldn't. So yeah, we got a good 10 year project ahead of us. Love it. Just when I retire, I'll be ready to enjoy it. Perfect. So I'm looking for you. All right.

Thanks, everyone. Gosh, it's so great. Everyone joining us today. Good to see you. Again, we love these conversations. So keep on, keep it on. Happy Monday, everyone. I'll see you tomorrow night.

And Odette and I will see you again on Wednesday. Have a great few days. We'll see you then. Bye everyone. Bye, everyone. Thanks, Annette.